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Title: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by Armchair_Politician on May 18th, 2012 at 7:47am IN one sense, the government has been fortunate to be swamped with so many issues of concern recently. It meant that public attention was drawn away from the increasingly fraught subject of asylum seekers. Yet that issue has definitely not gone away. In fact, the boats and their human cargo continue to arrive, having paid many thousands of dollars to people smugglers for the privilege of risking their lives on the sea between Indonesia and Australian territory. And all the while, Julia Gillard's government continues to insist the spike in asylum seeker numbers is somehow not its fault, and that Tony Abbott's opposition is to blame. The government repeatedly insists its own legislative record demonstrates stability and purpose. Well, let's see this much-vaunted stability in legislation that might stop asylum seekers from travelling around the world for a chance at Australian residency or citizenship. If ever there was evidence the government's policies are acting as a draw to asylum seekers, it is shown in today's exclusive Daily Telegraph story on claimed asylum seekers who are now making return visits. Having had residency rejected years ago, they now feel the time is right to give it another shot. Significantly, some returnees made their first attempts prior to the Howard government's successful Pacific Solution, which saw arrival attempts plummet. The government can argue as much as it likes about push factors and coalition opposition in parliament, but it is plain that the weakening of asylum seeker policies is the primary factor in the ongoing rise in arrivals. The proof is in the arrivals themselves. For real expertise in the matter of asylum seekers, look to the asylum seekers. They aren't risking their lives because they think that the government is clamping down on them. Quite the opposite. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/exploiting-weak-boat-people-policy/story-e6frezz0-1226359304181 Also in the DT on this issue, which Gillard clearly has no control over... Rejected illegal immigrants returning to try again: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/rejected-refugees-get-back-on-boats-for-another-go/story-e6freuzr-1226359362035 Record year of arrivals: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/record-year-of-asylum-seekers/story-e6freuy9-1226356174867 Armada of people smuggling boats: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/flow-of-illegal-boats-to-australia-becomes-an-armada/story-fn6b3v4f-1226353524528 Any way you look at it, Labor has turned this into their most epic fail. |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by Frances on May 18th, 2012 at 8:01am Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 7:47am:
:o |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by Swagman on May 18th, 2012 at 8:24am Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 7:47am:
Had they joined the legitimate queue the first time around they could now be living in cheap public housing and living it up big on Centrelink..... :( :( |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by Spot of Borg on May 18th, 2012 at 8:26am Quote:
lol SOB |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by skippy. on May 18th, 2012 at 8:40am
[quote][/Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph]
LOL phony Tony's office skirt would write that. |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by lisa.greek on May 18th, 2012 at 8:55am
If the takeaway shop hasn't got the Australian, I ALWAYS ask for my fish and chips to be wrapped in "The Tele"
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by pansi1951 on May 18th, 2012 at 8:56am
The Daily Telegraph is a joke. The articles are pure fiction written by C grade journalists.
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by Swagman on May 18th, 2012 at 9:03am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 8:56am:
You are getting it confused with the ABC.... :D |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by Greens_Win on May 18th, 2012 at 9:16am
If it is a good and accurate editorial, why then brush aside push factors caused by the Howard government.
Push factors like the illegal invasion of Iraq and the lost civil war caused by USA foreign policy that the Right supported blindly. Also why no mention of the massive waste of tax payers cash caused by the path both old parties want to take, that are illegal. Why no mention, the cheapest, most humane and most logical path forward is the Greens' path of processing on the mainland and moving these people into the community as soon as the safety measures have been completed. Then there is the future push factor Human caused Climate Change and the refugees these will cause. Then measure this with the policies of the three main parties. Greens are the superior on climate change adaption and on refugees. If this is a good and accurate editorial to the opening poster, then stop reading with both eyes closed. |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by Swagman on May 18th, 2012 at 10:23am
It wasn't an illegal invasion....
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by lisa.greek on May 18th, 2012 at 10:29am Swagman wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 10:23am:
What UN resolution sanctioned it before the invasion? |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by Greens_Win on May 18th, 2012 at 10:33am Swagman wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 10:23am:
The weapon of mass destruction was a lie. The invasion was based on this lie and so was illegal. This is why Bush and Blair found guilty of war crimes for Iraq attack http://www.salon.com/2011/11/23/bush_and_blair_found_guilty_of_war_crimes_for_iraq_attack/ |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by Doctor Jolly on May 18th, 2012 at 10:35am
Godwins law of right wing politics.
When under pressure, say "stop the boats". |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by cods on May 18th, 2012 at 12:23pm Doctor Jolly wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 10:35am:
how many boarders have you put your hand up for sir???? seems to me this wont be a short and sharp program as they are coming thicker and faster as we predicted they would. ho hum strange how we righties are always right. |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by Doctor Jolly on May 18th, 2012 at 12:30pm cods wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 12:23pm:
"Stop the boats" |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by juliar on May 18th, 2012 at 12:50pm Richo speaks for the people when he accurately describes the bitter hatred that the Australian People have for Miss Gillard. He brightens every Coalition supporter's day when he explains how Miss Gillard is dragging the Labor mob down down into the whirlpool of electoral oblivion. The Coalition is pleased to see their most valuable election winning asset Miss Gillard is now being assisted by Thomson and Slipper in campaigning tirelessly for the Coalition's coming tumultuous election victory. Despite the poll and budget uptick, Gillard and Labor are doomed by: Graham Richardson From:The Australian May 18, 2012 12:00AM 41 comments Labor's primary vote has lifted slightly but Newspoll shows neither Julia Gillard nor Tony Abbott have benefited from last week's budget. ONE good Newspoll a recovery doth not make. While this week's Newspoll survey showed a healthy recovery in the two-party-preferred vote (55 per cent to 45 per cent for the Coalition over Labor represented an eight-point turnaround in two weeks), a three-point lift to 30 per cent in the ALP's primary vote can hardly be celebrated. In the 1990 election, there was much consternation in Labor circles when the primary vote dipped to 39 per cent. The Democrat and Green preferences heavily favoured Labor, so a victory was narrowly achieved. But Labor is still nine points adrift of that figure and seemingly stuck at historical lows. There are two reasons I'm pessimistic about the chances of a substantial recovery in Labor's primary vote. First, the message Labor MPs get when they have the courage (and that is sadly what is needed in this climate) to doorknock is much the same as the message I get on the streets. I have spoken to two Labor MPs who have been doorknocking in the past week. While one was in the inner city and the other regional, the results were the same. Naked hostility is what the MPs faced, door after door slamming in their faces amid the muttering of foul obscenities. While it is clear Julia Gillard just doesn't understand how bad things really are, she is at the very core of the disenchantment. These two MPs, who both voted for her in Kevin Rudd's February challenge, were staggered at the hatred -- and that is the right word -- the electorate expresses about the Prime Minister. The breach of trust, exemplified by the broken carbon tax promise, totally destroyed her standing. The long litany of political stuff-ups has only magnified the outrage. Australia desperately wants to get rid of her, and it seems the electorate won't change its collective mind because Wayne Swan brings down a benign budget. Sure, the handouts to low and middle-income families will be gratefully received, but the budget will not bring redemption. The Easter miracle will not be repeated here. Gillard's is a political death from which there can be no resurrection. While the punters couldn't explain to the alien beings at their door exactly why their lives were in bad shape, they remained convinced of a serious downturn in their personal circumstances. They have lost all hope and do not wish to listen to anything she has to say. The second reason is intensely personal. On my Sky News show, I interviewed the Treasurer the night after the budget. This was considered by those in the know to be a good get. Unfortunately, the viewers didn't see it that way. About three minutes into the Swan interview, there was an almost unprecedented turn-off. No matter that I thought it was a good budget and could finally say something nice about the government, viewers didn't want to view. Having heard the rumours that free-to-air television current affairs shows avoid interviews with Gillard like the plague, I think I now know why. I wrote in this column some time back that there has never been a time when the electorate had stopped listening that they suddenly opened their ears again. It would appear on current indications that Gillard will not be the one to reverse the trend. Two permanent reminders of what the electorate doesn't like continue their reign of terror. The Liberals may have endorsed Peter Slipper umpteen times during the past two decades, but the moment he was elected Speaker his ownership transferred to the Prime Minister. The Slipper saga bubbles along, and while I can't find anyone who believes he can take the chair again, the reminders of his presence just won't go away. Labor should be more cautious about its pursuit of Christopher Pyne over his meetings with Slipper's accuser. The electorate doesn't care whether Pyne continued to talk to him or not. Its interest is in what Slipper did, or didn't do, not in who accused him. Slipper is threatening retribution against Pyne in a big way. As they say in the classics, I am reliably informed the personal duel could get interesting. Then of course there is good old Craig Thomson, the best thing to happen to the Coalition in decades. I can't think of any politician in decades to have contributed more to shoring up the vote of those he got elected to oppose than the member for Dobell. Next week he will put on record his ridiculous "They set me up" defence to the allegations against him. His interview last Saturday with Laurie Oakes was truly cringeworthy. It is bad enough that we are being asked to believe his mobile phone was stolen regularly to make calls to escort agencies, but we are waiting with bated breath to hear how his hotel room could be broken into so his room phone could be misused. On ABC1's Q&A this week, Tim Costello made a welcome appearance. Whether you agree or not with the stance he takes on issues, no one disputes the aura of decency and compassion that surrounds him. The good Reverend felt that maybe we should feel sorry for Thomson. Maybe he needs help that hasn't been provided thus far. The mob, I believe, has a very different view indeed. A Health Services Union insider assured me the other day that neither Thomson nor Michael Williamson will have a criminal problem over the use of a credit card from the printer who had received huge sums to print the union magazine. The statute of limitations would save them because of the lapse of time. Sadly, I am the harbinger of more bad news. When the Australian Securities & Investments Commission was investigating me over the Offset Alpine affair, the statute of limitations was no help. Philip Ruddock, then attorney-general, simply exercised his discretion to waive it in the case. Can you imagine the pressure on Nicola Roxon if this issue raises its ugly head again? She will waive the statutes effect in a flash, as will the Liberal attorneys-general in NSW and Victoria, if they are asked to. When it was done to me, I didn't worry. I knew I was innocent. I hope Thomson and Williamson are as relaxed and comfortable as I was then. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/despite-the-poll-and-budget-uptick-gillard-and-labor-are-doomed/story-e6frgd0x-1226359328079 |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by Karnal on May 18th, 2012 at 12:53pm
You stay away from Matty, Juliar. He's getting engaged to Righty.
And stop trying to impress him with your long-winded articles. Your floosie tactics just won't wash anymore. |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by juliar on May 18th, 2012 at 1:08pm
cARNAL, Is that dribble you just scribbled the best you can do ?
You are an embarrassment, a waste of good blog space, and you are lowering the standard of the blog site - shame on ewe. Baa Baa, don't pull the wool over your eyes. I do understand, as you are a long term recipient of welfare, you are gripped by feelings of fear, trepidation, anger, and dismay whenever you perceive something which appears to you to be biting the hand that feeds you. Tch tch. |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by Doctor Jolly on May 18th, 2012 at 1:43pm
With friends like Richo, who needs enermies.
;D What is it with some ex-pollies turning on their own. Costello calls Abbott an economic muppet. Fraser hates all things Howard Now Richo rips into Gillard. |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by Karnal on May 18th, 2012 at 1:55pm juliar wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 1:08pm:
You won't be coming near the campaign office ever again, Juliar. We're taking an AVO out against you. Matty supports this 100%. In fact, it was his suggestion. Anyway, I'm only on welfare until Matty gets into parliament. Then, I'll be earning at least $180,000 as a consultant. What do you make? You're lucky if some Young Liberal falls for your routine and buys you a Malibu and Coke. |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by Soren on May 18th, 2012 at 2:05pm Doctor Jolly wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 1:43pm:
You agreed with Costello and Frazer. Be a man. Say that you agree with Richo, too. |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by corporate_whitey on May 18th, 2012 at 2:10pm
Julia Gillard is the most hated person in Australia in the outer suburbs and symbolizes the corruption and decadence of the inner suburbs, the Vice dealers, the spin doctors and the Corporate Maggot. 8-)
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by Karnal on May 18th, 2012 at 2:16pm Soren wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 2:05pm:
Who he? |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by Armchair_Politician on May 18th, 2012 at 3:19pm ____ wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 9:16am:
Push factors are a lame excuse - Labor had a working policy but they destroyed it and now have no one to blame for this mess other than themselves. |
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Title: Re: Good & accurate editorial from Daily Telegraph Post by pansi1951 on May 18th, 2012 at 3:25pm juliar wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 1:08pm:
eeeewwww!!! what's that about a woman scorned. |
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