staffer makes complaint against Carr, Joyce

The man who launched a sexual harassment case against Speaker Peter Slipper has made a formal complaint about comments made by political heavyweights Bob Carr and Barnaby Joyce.

James Ashby's lawyers this afternoon lodged a formal complaint of victimisation with the Human Rights Commission over remarks made by the two on Twitter and to the media.

The complaint cites a tweet from Senator Carr on May 5 which said: "This Ashby seems more rehearsed than a kabuki actor."

The following day, Senator Joyce told the media: "If you are going to play marriage guidance counsellor, you've got to hear both sides of the story".

He went on to describe Mr Ashby as "only slightly less dodgy than Slipper''.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-17/slipper-staffer-makes-complaint-against-carr-joyce/4017652

I could of told Joyce and Carr, never cross a cross gay man.

Fifi Pyne will cuddle Ashby's cares away..it'll be ok

Ashbys not frightened to take on anyone, independents, labor and liberal.

Good for him.

Verge wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 5:06pm:

Ashbys not frightened to take on anyone, independents, labor and liberal. Good for him.

Fifi and Ashby..its a good news story

Ashby is a poof!!!  ;D ;D ;D

adelcrow wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 5:09pm:

Verge wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:06pm: Ashbys not frightened to take on anyone, independents, labor and liberal. Good for him. Fifi and Ashby..its a good news story

Wonder if this move was to take the heat off Pyne

Pyne's Email To Ashby
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1337208807

While he has Fifi Pyne behind him Ashby has the confidence to take on the world

adelcrow wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 5:11pm:

While he has Fifi Pyne behind him Ashby has the confidence to take on the world

poor Abbott must feel so rejected.

Disliked by Australia ... and now replaced by a younger man.

Pyne is part of the SA Liberal faction that bought us Mark Brindle, the fella that got caught shagging a retarded bloke on his office desk

adelcrow wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 5:18pm:

Pyne is part of the SA Liberal faction that bought us Mark Brindle, the fella that got caught shagging a retarded bloke on his office desk

Betcha  you will keep out of his office in the future.

angeleyes wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 5:27pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:18pm: Pyne is part of the SA Liberal faction that bought us Mark Brindle, the fella that got caught shagging a retarded bloke on his office desk Betcha  you will keep out of his office in the future.

Geez..Bananaman is back

adelcrow wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 5:18pm:

Pyne is part of the SA Liberal faction that bought us Mark Brindle, the fella that got caught shagging a retarded bloke on his office desk

lol....for real?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 5:32pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:18pm: Pyne is part of the SA Liberal faction that bought us Mark Brindle, the fella that got caught shagging a retarded bloke on his office desk lol....for real?

Yep..its a fact  :)

adelcrow wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 5:11pm:

While he has Fifi Pyne behind him Ashby has the confidence to take on the world

yes - i reckon fifi is the catcher here - but ashby looks like he pitchs and catchs.  i wonder if they flick a coin...or draw short straws

adelcrow wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 5:28pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:27pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:18pm: Pyne is part of the SA Liberal faction that bought us Mark Brindle, the fella that got caught shagging a retarded bloke on his office desk Betcha  you will keep out of his office in the future. Geez..Bananaman is back

nah  angle iron is more your iamtheman012 = banned from here for suggesting some women should be bashed up.

lisa.greek wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 5:38pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:28pm: angeleyes wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:27pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:18pm: Pyne is part of the SA Liberal faction that bought us Mark Brindle, the fella that got caught shagging a retarded bloke on his office desk Betcha  you will keep out of his office in the future. Geez..Bananaman is back nah  angle iron is more your iamtheman012 = banned from here for suggesting some women should be bashed up.

Either way he seems to have some serious personal issues

adelcrow wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 5:48pm:

lisa.greek wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:38pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:28pm: angeleyes wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:27pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:18pm: Pyne is part of the SA Liberal faction that bought us Mark Brindle, the fella that got caught shagging a retarded bloke on his office desk Betcha  you will keep out of his office in the future. Geez..Bananaman is back nah  angle iron is more your iamtheman012 = banned from here for suggesting some women should be bashed up. Either way he seems to have some serious personal issues

It isn't me that tries  to link Abbott with homosexuals and wife bashing, so tell me who has serious issues?

angeleyes wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 6:28pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:48pm: lisa.greek wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:38pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:28pm: angeleyes wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:27pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:18pm: Pyne is part of the SA Liberal faction that bought us Mark Brindle, the fella that got caught shagging a retarded bloke on his office desk Betcha  you will keep out of his office in the future. Geez..Bananaman is back nah  angle iron is more your iamtheman012 = banned from here for suggesting some women should be bashed up. Either way he seems to have some serious personal issues It isn't me that tries  to link Abbott with homosexuals and wife bashing, so tell me who has serious issues?

Personal abuse of others using this site shows you have some sort of issues

adelcrow wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 6:31pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 6:28pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:48pm: lisa.greek wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:38pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:28pm: angeleyes wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:27pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:18pm: Pyne is part of the SA Liberal faction that bought us Mark Brindle, the fella that got caught shagging a retarded bloke on his office desk Betcha  you will keep out of his office in the future. Geez..Bananaman is back nah  angle iron is more your iamtheman012 = banned from here for suggesting some women should be bashed up. Either way he seems to have some serious personal issues It isn't me that tries  to link Abbott with homosexuals and wife bashing, so tell me who has serious issues? Personal abuse of others using this site shows you have some sort of issues

I trust thats meant for your lefty mates as well..


as it is I find Carr really steps out of line..I do not recall rudd having a say on everything that didnt involve Foreign Affairs.

this guy say what he likes about everything.

cods wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 6:34pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 6:31pm: angeleyes wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 6:28pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:48pm: lisa.greek wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:38pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:28pm: angeleyes wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:27pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:18pm: Pyne is part of the SA Liberal faction that bought us Mark Brindle, the fella that got caught shagging a retarded bloke on his office desk Betcha  you will keep out of his office in the future. Geez..Bananaman is back nah  angle iron is more your iamtheman012 = banned from here for suggesting some women should be bashed up. Either way he seems to have some serious personal issues It isn't me that tries  to link Abbott with homosexuals and wife bashing, so tell me who has serious issues? Personal abuse of others using this site shows you have some sort of issues I trust thats meant for your lefty mates as well.. as it is I find Carr really steps out of line..I do not recall rudd having a say on everything that didnt involve Foreign Affairs. this guy say what he likes about everything.

I can only speak for myself cods

adelcrow wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 6:31pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 6:28pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:48pm: lisa.greek wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:38pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:28pm: angeleyes wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:27pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:18pm: Pyne is part of the SA Liberal faction that bought us Mark Brindle, the fella that got caught shagging a retarded bloke on his office desk Betcha  you will keep out of his office in the future. Geez..Bananaman is back nah  angle iron is more your iamtheman012 = banned from here for suggesting some women should be bashed up. Either way he seems to have some serious personal issues It isn't me that tries  to link Abbott with homosexuals and wife bashing, so tell me who has serious issues? Personal abuse of others using this site shows you have some sort of issues

Feel free to point out personal abuse from me.

angeleyes wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 6:54pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 6:31pm: angeleyes wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 6:28pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:48pm: lisa.greek wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:38pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:28pm: angeleyes wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:27pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 5:18pm: Pyne is part of the SA Liberal faction that bought us Mark Brindle, the fella that got caught shagging a retarded bloke on his office desk Betcha  you will keep out of his office in the future. Geez..Bananaman is back nah  angle iron is more your iamtheman012 = banned from here for suggesting some women should be bashed up. Either way he seems to have some serious personal issues It isn't me that tries  to link Abbott with homosexuals and wife bashing, so tell me who has serious issues? Personal abuse of others using this site shows you have some sort of issues Feel free to point out personal abuse from me.

Na..ignoring you is much easier

Slipper staffer makes complaint against Carr, Joyce

The man who launched a sexual harassment case against Speaker Peter Slipper has made a formal complaint about comments made by political heavyweights Bob Carr and Barnaby Joyce.

James Ashby's lawyers this afternoon lodged a formal complaint of victimisation with the Human Rights Commission over remarks made by the senators on Twitter and to the media.

The complaint cites a tweet from Senator Carr on May 5 which said: "This Ashby seems more rehearsed than a kabuki actor."

The following day, Senator Joyce told the media: "If you are going to play marriage guidance counsellor, you've got to hear both sides of the story".

He went on to describe Mr Ashby as "only slightly less dodgy than Slipper".

Michael Harmer, representing Mr Ashby, says Senator Carr and Senator Joyce are using their high office to demean their client, possibly for political ends.

"In direct response to our client making such allegations (against Mr Slipper), our client has been subject to repeated public attacks on his reputation, integrity and credibility by senior politicians," he said.

Mr Harmer says public attacks on people who complain of sexual harassment will discourage other people from coming forward.

He says Senator Carr's tweet was republished in full in News Limited's Sunday newspapers, exposing the comment to about five million readers.

Mr Harmer says the Foreign Minister was also given the opportunity on ABC TV's Lateline program to withdraw his remarks, but declined.

Brushed aside
But on tonight's 7.30 program, Senator Carr brushed aside the complaint against him.

He said Mr Ashby had contact with several Coalition figures before he made the complaint against Mr Slipper.

"In Australia and around the world there are a lot more serious cases of infringement of human rights than this," he told 7.30.

"Let me say again, sexual harassment is serious. Precisely because of that, if there is a complaint, take it to the authorities.

"Don't have a meeting with your employer's political opponent on three occasions."

Last month, Mr Ashby launched a civil claim under the Fair Work Act against the Commonwealth and Mr Slipper in which he alleges he was continually harassed from the start of his time working for the Speaker.

He says it is clear the Speaker only hired him to pursue a sexual relationship.

Mr Slipper also faces separate criminal allegations that he misused government Cabcharge vouchers.

He has stepped aside as Speaker of the Federal Parliament to defend himself and denies any wrongdoing.

'List of problems'
The Commonwealth Government Solicitor has raised a lengthy list of problems with Mr Ashby's claims against Mr Slipper.

In a statement, the Commonwealth Solicitor says Mr Ashby took no steps to try and resolve the issues and did not warn anyone from the Commonwealth that he intended to start proceedings for damages.

The statement notes Mr Ashby's application was widely reported on websites within hours of it being lodged.

It also points out Mr Ashby has dropped some of the allegations in the original application.

The Commonwealth rejects Mr Ashby's argument that he took no reasonable steps to resolve the issue because the matter was urgent and involves victimisation.

It sets out a list of alternative ways Mr Ashby could have handled his complaint.

A directions hearing will be held in court on Friday.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-17/slipper-staffer-makes-complaint-against-carr-joyce/4017652

Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!
Sir Walter Scott (1771 - 1832), Marmion, Canto vi. Stanza 17.

This will not end well for those involved???

Ashby sounds like a whiney little bitch..Abbotts kinda guy  ;D

adelcrow wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 5:18pm:

Pyne is part of the SA Liberal faction that bought us Mark Brindle, the fella that got caught shagging a retarded bloke on his office desk

I've never heard this. What's the whole story?

Anyway, I think that this shows that it wasn't a Coalition conspiracy, and shame on Carr and Joyce for making such insensitive comments about someone who has potentially faced untold stress, trauma and depression. Who knows what's he suffered.

adelcrow wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 7:11pm:

Ashby sounds like a whiney little bitch..Abbotts kinda guy  ;D

You don't know what stress has endured. A very insensitive comment.

john_g wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 7:15pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 7:11pm: Ashby sounds like a whiney little bitch..Abbotts kinda guy  ;D You don't know what stress has endured. A very insensitive comment.

He still sounds like a whiny little bitch after a payout from where ever he can get one.
He wasn't raped, he wasn't assaulted, he wasn't touched up..he was hit on by an old fella and instead of knocking him back he did nothing until he was approached by the Liberal Party to knife Slipper...he is a whiny little bitch with a crush on Fifi Pyne.

john_g wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 7:15pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 7:11pm: Ashby sounds like a whiney little bitch..Abbotts kinda guy  ;D You don't know what stress has endured. A very insensitive comment.

One thing is for sure Mr Ashby has an axe to grind with somebody.....This will not end well for anyone involved.....The damage to Slipper has been done already and Ashby cannot expect to gain to much from the infamy he will obtain by his actions.....Who wins???

::) ::) ::)

adelcrow wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 7:26pm:

john_g wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 7:15pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 7:11pm: Ashby sounds like a whiney little bitch..Abbotts kinda guy  ;D You don't know what stress has endured. A very insensitive comment. He still sounds like a whiny little bitch after a payout from where ever he can get one. He wasn't raped, he wasn't assaulted, he wasn't touched up..he was hit on by an old fella and instead of knocking him back he did nothing until he was approached by the Liberal Party to knife Slipper...he is a whiny little bitch with a crush on Fifi Pyne.

He was treated badly after knocking him back, though. Slipper kept persisting after he was knocked back, and said that Ashby could not go on Sydney cruises. Who knows what else happened? A little compassion wouldn't go astray, would it, adel?

Also, being that Ashby is taking action against Barnaby Joyce, I don't think that it is a Coalition conspiracy.

philperth2010 wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 7:26pm:

john_g wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 7:15pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 7:11pm: Ashby sounds like a whiney little bitch..Abbotts kinda guy  ;D You don't know what stress has endured. A very insensitive comment. One thing is for sure Mr Ashby has an axe to grind with somebody.....This will not end well for anyone involved.....The damage to Slipper has been done already and Ashby cannot expect to gain to much from the infamy he will obtain by his actions.....Who wins??? ::) ::) ::)

If Slipper is guilty, then justice wins?

john_g wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 7:33pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 7:26pm: john_g wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 7:15pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 7:11pm: Ashby sounds like a whiney little bitch..Abbotts kinda guy  ;D You don't know what stress has endured. A very insensitive comment. One thing is for sure Mr Ashby has an axe to grind with somebody.....This will not end well for anyone involved.....The damage to Slipper has been done already and Ashby cannot expect to gain to much from the infamy he will obtain by his actions.....Who wins??? ::) ::) ::) If Slipper is guilty, then justice wins?

All I see so far is a whiny little bitch making a mockery out of a very serious issue so Tony Abbott has something to fill the media with other than policy alternatives.

Oh dear, now spot of borg will hve to ask both of them to step down.

progressiveslol wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 8:33pm:

Oh dear, now spot of borg will hve to ask both of them to step down.

Tony first, lolly, Tony first. He who makes the rules needs to abide by them.

Gist wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 8:35pm:

progressiveslol wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 8:33pm: Oh dear, now spot of borg will hve to ask both of them to step down. Tony first, lolly, Tony first. He who makes the rules needs to abide by them.

so how does Tony feature in this sordid little labor dog poo.

you bring his name into everything but never explain why

adelcrow wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 7:37pm:

john_g wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 7:33pm: philperth2010 wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 7:26pm: john_g wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 7:15pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 7:11pm: Ashby sounds like a whiney little bitch..Abbotts kinda guy  ;D You don't know what stress has endured. A very insensitive comment. One thing is for sure Mr Ashby has an axe to grind with somebody.....This will not end well for anyone involved.....The damage to Slipper has been done already and Ashby cannot expect to gain to much from the infamy he will obtain by his actions.....Who wins??? ::) ::) ::) If Slipper is guilty, then justice wins? All I see so far is a whiny little bitch making a mockery out of a very serious issue so Tony Abbott has something to fill the media with other than policy alternatives.

How is Ashby at fault in any of this?

I looked up Mark Brindle, but couldn't find anything relating to what you said. What is the story there?

cods wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 8:54pm:

Gist wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 8:35pm: progressiveslol wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 8:33pm: Oh dear, now spot of borg will hve to ask both of them to step down. Tony first, lolly, Tony first. He who makes the rules needs to abide by them. so how does Tony feature in this sordid little labor dog poo. you bring his name into everything but never explain why

It isn't difficult cods. You just need a modicum of thought to follow the steps:

1. Slipper was charged with a civil action by Ashby for alleged sexual harrassment

2. Tony Abbott & Co. demanded (quite loudly) that Slipper MUST stand aside since the charges demeaned the office of the Speaker

3. Slipper did indeed stand aside

4. Abbott was later charged with a civil action that he defamed a person

5. Now Ashby is charging both Carr and Joyce with defamation

Soooo.... if the demand is that Carr and Joyce should stand aside (as others here - not me - have said) then I put it that Tony must also stand aside. HE IS THE ONE WHO REQUIRED THIS LEVEL OF INTEGRITY. HE MUST ABIDE BY IT.

john_g wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 9:00pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 7:37pm: john_g wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 7:33pm: philperth2010 wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 7:26pm: john_g wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 7:15pm: adelcrow wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 7:11pm: Ashby sounds like a whiney little bitch..Abbotts kinda guy  ;D You don't know what stress has endured. A very insensitive comment. One thing is for sure Mr Ashby has an axe to grind with somebody.....This will not end well for anyone involved.....The damage to Slipper has been done already and Ashby cannot expect to gain to much from the infamy he will obtain by his actions.....Who wins??? ::) ::) ::) If Slipper is guilty, then justice wins? All I see so far is a whiny little bitch making a mockery out of a very serious issue so Tony Abbott has something to fill the media with other than policy alternatives. How is Ashby at fault in any of this? I looked up Mark Brindle, but couldn't find anything relating to what you said. What is the story there?

Ashby is the victim which in labor laws thats make him the villain.he is accused of trying to bring down one of their own...

one of their innocent members of course..

so Ashby's the baddy  I am afraid..

did you see where THOMO has once again refused to speak to the police?????..

this gentleman is certainly being looked after by someone in high places.

we should all be so lucky.

Gist, you nag worse than any woman. Perhaps you are a woman.

With apologies to all the women on here bar Annie and Pansi.

Don't be so mean, Blackadder.

And stop pretending to be a woman.

Gist wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 9:02pm:

cods wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 8:54pm: Gist wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 8:35pm: progressiveslol wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 8:33pm: Oh dear, now spot of borg will hve to ask both of them to step down. Tony first, lolly, Tony first. He who makes the rules needs to abide by them. so how does Tony feature in this sordid little labor dog poo. you bring his name into everything but never explain why It isn't difficult cods. You just need a modicum of thought to follow the steps: 1. Slipper was charged with a civil action by Ashby for alleged sexual harrassment 2. Tony Abbott & Co. demanded (quite loudly) that Slipper MUST stand aside since the charges demeaned the office of the Speaker 3. Slipper did indeed stand aside 4. Abbott was later charged with a civil action that he defamed a person 5. Now Ashby is charging both Carr and Joyce with defamation Soooo.... if the demand is that Carr and Joyce should stand aside (as others here - not me - have said) then I put it that Tony must also stand aside. HE IS THE ONE WHO REQUIRED THIS LEVEL OF INTEGRITY. HE MUST ABIDE BY IT.

2/ so you and gutless gillard would have him sitting on his throne if you had your way???..

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..OK..

4/ defamed... a union thug...mmmmmmmmmmmm.. how do you know Tony hasnt got the proof??

or are you claiming he is guilty until proven innocent..

in other words innocent is only for the likes of THOMO..


btw will CARR AND JOYCE stand aside.. till this is resolved... or dont you mind them staying there..

just asking.

cods wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 9:18pm:

Gist wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 9:02pm: cods wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 8:54pm: Gist wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 8:35pm: progressiveslol wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 8:33pm: Oh dear, now spot of borg will hve to ask both of them to step down. Tony first, lolly, Tony first. He who makes the rules needs to abide by them. so how does Tony feature in this sordid little labor dog poo. you bring his name into everything but never explain why It isn't difficult cods. You just need a modicum of thought to follow the steps: 1. Slipper was charged with a civil action by Ashby for alleged sexual harrassment 2. Tony Abbott & Co. demanded (quite loudly) that Slipper MUST stand aside since the charges demeaned the office of the Speaker 3. Slipper did indeed stand aside 4. Abbott was later charged with a civil action that he defamed a person 5. Now Ashby is charging both Carr and Joyce with defamation Soooo.... if the demand is that Carr and Joyce should stand aside (as others here - not me - have said) then I put it that Tony must also stand aside. HE IS THE ONE WHO REQUIRED THIS LEVEL OF INTEGRITY. HE MUST ABIDE BY IT. 2/ so you and gutless gillard would have him sitting on his throne if you had your way???.. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..OK.. 4/ defamed... a union thug...mmmmmmmmmmmm.. how do you know Tony hasnt got the proof?? or are you claiming he is guilty until proven innocent.. in other words innocent is only for the likes of THOMO.. btw will CARR AND JOYCE stand aside.. till this is resolved... or dont you mind them staying there.. just asking.

Personally, cods, I wish they would ALL stand aside and give us an early election.

This government is a farce.....even the unions are embarrassed by all the goings on...(as well they should be). Every day another low point in politics. Disgraceful is the word for Julia and all those who are supporting that grub, Thomson.

olive wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 10:36pm:

cods wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 9:18pm: Gist wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 9:02pm: cods wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 8:54pm: Gist wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 8:35pm: progressiveslol wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 8:33pm: Oh dear, now spot of borg will hve to ask both of them to step down. Tony first, lolly, Tony first. He who makes the rules needs to abide by them. so how does Tony feature in this sordid little labor dog poo. you bring his name into everything but never explain why It isn't difficult cods. You just need a modicum of thought to follow the steps: 1. Slipper was charged with a civil action by Ashby for alleged sexual harrassment 2. Tony Abbott & Co. demanded (quite loudly) that Slipper MUST stand aside since the charges demeaned the office of the Speaker 3. Slipper did indeed stand aside 4. Abbott was later charged with a civil action that he defamed a person 5. Now Ashby is charging both Carr and Joyce with defamation Soooo.... if the demand is that Carr and Joyce should stand aside (as others here - not me - have said) then I put it that Tony must also stand aside. HE IS THE ONE WHO REQUIRED THIS LEVEL OF INTEGRITY. HE MUST ABIDE BY IT. 2/ so you and gutless gillard would have him sitting on his throne if you had your way???.. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..OK.. 4/ defamed... a union thug...mmmmmmmmmmmm.. how do you know Tony hasnt got the proof?? or are you claiming he is guilty until proven innocent.. in other words innocent is only for the likes of THOMO.. btw will CARR AND JOYCE stand aside.. till this is resolved... or dont you mind them staying there.. just asking. Personally, cods, I wish they would ALL stand aside and give us an early election. This government is a farce.....even the unions are embarrassed by all the goings on...(as well they should be). Every day another low point in politics. Disgraceful is the word for Julia and all those who are supporting that grub, Thomson.

AH yes Cods usual slide into grubby insults when she is shown to be ignorant and Olive supports? really the dull norm mentality here is so funny. "It's all labours fault." You people really are a reflection of the electorate as a whole, slow and gullible. Do you for a moment think this has not gone on for years, do you for a moment think that the lib's are any different. Slipper is theirs and do you think if the independents had gone with Abbott we would not be seeing slipper as the Thompson. I would bet the Thompson situation would hardly even be on the radar. The blind belief that this is a labor problem is fundamentally simple and gives me no hope that any positive change will come out of this. Politics will now get dirtier and more secretive as a result that is all because the public are dull norm to the real depth of the corruption.

nairbe wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 6:49am:

olive wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 10:36pm: cods wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 9:18pm: Gist wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 9:02pm: cods wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 8:54pm: Gist wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 8:35pm: progressiveslol wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 8:33pm: Oh dear, now spot of borg will hve to ask both of them to step down. Tony first, lolly, Tony first. He who makes the rules needs to abide by them. so how does Tony feature in this sordid little labor dog poo. you bring his name into everything but never explain why It isn't difficult cods. You just need a modicum of thought to follow the steps: 1. Slipper was charged with a civil action by Ashby for alleged sexual harrassment 2. Tony Abbott & Co. demanded (quite loudly) that Slipper MUST stand aside since the charges demeaned the office of the Speaker 3. Slipper did indeed stand aside 4. Abbott was later charged with a civil action that he defamed a person 5. Now Ashby is charging both Carr and Joyce with defamation Soooo.... if the demand is that Carr and Joyce should stand aside (as others here - not me - have said) then I put it that Tony must also stand aside. HE IS THE ONE WHO REQUIRED THIS LEVEL OF INTEGRITY. HE MUST ABIDE BY IT. 2/ so you and gutless gillard would have him sitting on his throne if you had your way???.. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..OK.. 4/ defamed... a union thug...mmmmmmmmmmmm.. how do you know Tony hasnt got the proof?? or are you claiming he is guilty until proven innocent.. in other words innocent is only for the likes of THOMO.. btw will CARR AND JOYCE stand aside.. till this is resolved... or dont you mind them staying there.. just asking. Personally, cods, I wish they would ALL stand aside and give us an early election. This government is a farce.....even the unions are embarrassed by all the goings on...(as well they should be). Every day another low point in politics. Disgraceful is the word for Julia and all those who are supporting that grub, Thomson. AH yes Cods usual slide into grubby insults when she is shown to be ignorant and Olive supports? really the dull norm mentality here is so funny. "It's all labours fault." You people really are a reflection of the electorate as a whole, slow and gullible. Do you for a moment think this has not gone on for years, do you for a moment think that the lib's are any different. Slipper is theirs and do you think if the independents had gone with Abbott we would not be seeing slipper as the Thompson. I would bet the Thompson situation would hardly even be on the radar. The blind belief that this is a labor problem is fundamentally simple and gives me no hope that any positive change will come out of this. Politics will now get dirtier and more secretive as a result that is all because the public are dull norm to the real depth of the corruption.

It is always interesting to me that when a couple of people agree on something, on this forum, it seems that it always has to be on the left side of politics or it is completely wrong. Anyone with a differing opinion is
immediately lambasted or, as in this case, called "slow and gullible" a "reflection on the 'dull norm' mentality of the electorate". And that comes from someone who doesn't even know how to spell "Labor". This "dull norm" electorate will have its say at the next election and perhaps you will see that they aren't too thrilled with what you must perceive as the current "smart progressive"
government.

Well, excuse me....but I do believe that when Tony Abbott was given opportunities to bring the Greens onside (fat chance the Greens would ever agree to that really!) he probably thought that their demands were not what he saw as a future stable govt. It always was going to be a Green/Labor Government, especially considering the absolute hatred that Windsor holds for Abbott and that Oakeshott was a closet Labor man....as will be attested to by those who were conned in their electorates.

It was a big relief for Abbott when Julia took on Slipper. As he said at the time, "He is LABOR's problem now!!" A reference to the fact that they had wanted him gone for some time. Yes...he IS Labor's problem now...much to their chagrin and embarrassment. I well remember the comments on here about how clever Julia was in making him Speaker. I also remember how everyone thought that it was time for Kevin Rudd to be replaced by Julia Gillard. Replacement of one incompetent leader with another hasn't worked, it seems

olive wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:19pm:

nairbe wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 6:49am: olive wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 10:36pm: cods wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 9:18pm: Gist wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 9:02pm: cods wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 8:54pm: Gist wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 8:35pm: progressiveslol wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 8:33pm: Oh dear, now spot of borg will hve to ask both of them to step down. Tony first, lolly, Tony first. He who makes the rules needs to abide by them. so how does Tony feature in this sordid little labor dog poo. you bring his name into everything but never explain why It isn't difficult cods. You just need a modicum of thought to follow the steps: 1. Slipper was charged with a civil action by Ashby for alleged sexual harrassment 2. Tony Abbott & Co. demanded (quite loudly) that Slipper MUST stand aside since the charges demeaned the office of the Speaker 3. Slipper did indeed stand aside 4. Abbott was later charged with a civil action that he defamed a person 5. Now Ashby is charging both Carr and Joyce with defamation Soooo.... if the demand is that Carr and Joyce should stand aside (as others here - not me - have said) then I put it that Tony must also stand aside. HE IS THE ONE WHO REQUIRED THIS LEVEL OF INTEGRITY. HE MUST ABIDE BY IT. 2/ so you and gutless gillard would have him sitting on his throne if you had your way???.. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..OK.. 4/ defamed... a union thug...mmmmmmmmmmmm.. how do you know Tony hasnt got the proof?? or are you claiming he is guilty until proven innocent.. in other words innocent is only for the likes of THOMO.. btw will CARR AND JOYCE stand aside.. till this is resolved... or dont you mind them staying there.. just asking. Personally, cods, I wish they would ALL stand aside and give us an early election. This government is a farce.....even the unions are embarrassed by all the goings on...(as well they should be). Every day another low point in politics. Disgraceful is the word for Julia and all those who are supporting that grub, Thomson. AH yes Cods usual slide into grubby insults when she is shown to be ignorant and Olive supports? really the dull norm mentality here is so funny. "It's all labours fault." You people really are a reflection of the electorate as a whole, slow and gullible. Do you for a moment think this has not gone on for years, do you for a moment think that the lib's are any different. Slipper is theirs and do you think if the independents had gone with Abbott we would not be seeing slipper as the Thompson. I would bet the Thompson situation would hardly even be on the radar. The blind belief that this is a labor problem is fundamentally simple and gives me no hope that any positive change will come out of this. Politics will now get dirtier and more secretive as a result that is all because the public are dull norm to the real depth of the corruption. It is always interesting to me that when a couple of people agree on something, on this forum, it seems that it always has to be on the left side of politics or it is completely wrong. Anyone with a differing opinion is immediately lambasted or, as in this case, called "slow and gullible" a "reflection on the 'dull norm' mentality of the electorate". And that comes from someone who doesn't even know how to spell "Labor". This "dull norm" electorate will have its say at the next election and perhaps you will see that they aren't too thrilled with what you must perceive as the current "smart progressive" government. Well, excuse me....but I do believe that when Tony Abbott was given opportunities to bring the Greens onside (fat chance the Greens would ever agree to that really!) he probably thought that their demands were not what he saw as a future stable govt. It always was going to be a Green/Labor Government, especially considering the absolute hatred that Windsor holds for Abbott and that Oakeshott was a closet Labor man....as will be attested to by those who were conned in their electorates. It was a big relief for Abbott when Julia took on Slipper. As he said at the time, "He is LABOR's problem now!!" A reference to the fact that they had wanted him gone for some time. Yes...he IS Labor's problem now...much to their chagrin and embarrassment. I well remember the comments on here about how clever Julia was in making him Speaker. I also remember how everyone thought that it was time for Kevin Rudd to be replaced by Julia Gillard. Replacement of one incompetent leader with another hasn't worked, it seems

certain people dont really want to see  or in this case own what they actually did.. olive its really simple..

gillard recruited slipper at a time when he knew he was gone..[the libs already had enlisted a new member to run in Lynn]. the labs recruited this guy because they thought they could manipulate him as he was offside with the Libs and like all lefties.. they assumed he would want PAYBACK.little did they know they were dealing with an egomaniac..who took the position of speaker very very seriously..

except for one failing....well two really..

I knew he had a problem with cabcharge.travel allowances.. he had been made to pay back money in the past...

however I for one had never heard of any sexual harassment charges in fact if he had been charged and found guilty I am almost sure that would have banished him from parliament..

I mean even they have a line that must never be crossed... dont they??????????


so apart from his mismanagement of money..which the labs new about as well..


that kind of leaves the labs with a whole lot of egg on their face as they recruited him......they actually went after him all behind Abbott back...

the only way they know



still wondering about the grubby insults... did you get any of those olive...LOL

I bet ya that if Slipper had known what a whiny little fag Ashby is he would never have hit on him.

adelcrow wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

I bet ya that if Slipper had known what a whiny little fag Ashby is he would never have hit on him.

That's a pretty unfair thing to call him, but for what it's worth, I think that Ashby is hot. I would be all over that.

TheGreenLight wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:57pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 4:50pm: I bet ya that if Slipper had known what a whiny little fag Ashby is he would never have hit on him. That's a pretty unfair thing to call him, but for what it's worth, I think that Ashby is hot. I would be all over that.

I cant see Ian Roberts doing an Ashby and whining like a little girl..Gay or not, Ashby is supposed to be a man and as such he should handle himself like a man...not a whimpering child.

adelcrow wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 5:05pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 4:57pm: adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 4:50pm: I bet ya that if Slipper had known what a whiny little fag Ashby is he would never have hit on him. That's a pretty unfair thing to call him, but for what it's worth, I think that Ashby is hot. I would be all over that. I cant see Ian Roberts doing an Ashby and whining like a little girl..Gay or not, Ashby is supposed to be a man and as such he should handle himself like a man...not a whimpering child.

How is he acting like a whimpering child? I am bi, and would much rather have Ashby over Ian Roberts. Roberts has a good bod, but the face leaves a lot to be desired.

cods wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:36pm:

olive wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 11:19pm: [quote author=343B3328383F5A0 link=1337236735/42#42 date=1337287777][quote author=6C6F6A75665C606F626D607A030 link=1337236735/41#41 date=1337258169][quote author=6D616A7D0E0 link=1337236735/40#40 date=1337253493][quote author=07091314600 link=1337236735/36#36 date=1337252560][quote author=65696275060 link=1337236735/34#34 date=1337252058][quote author=616F7572060 link=1337236735/33#33 date=1337250934][quote author=100E00040A0F0F630 link=1337236735/32#32 date=1337250832] It is always interesting to me that when a couple of people agree on something, on this forum, it seems that it always has to be on the left side of politics or it is completely wrong. Anyone with a differing opinion is immediately lambasted or, as in this case, called "slow and gullible" a "reflection on the 'dull norm' mentality of the electorate". And that comes from someone who doesn't even know how to spell "Labor". This "dull norm" electorate will have its say at the next election and perhaps you will see that they aren't too thrilled with what you must perceive as the current "smart progressive" government. Well, excuse me....but I do believe that when Tony Abbott was given opportunities to bring the Greens onside (fat chance the Greens would ever agree to that really!) he probably thought that their demands were not what he saw as a future stable govt. It always was going to be a Green/Labor Government, especially considering the absolute hatred that Windsor holds for Abbott and that Oakeshott was a closet Labor man....as will be attested to by those who were conned in their electorates. It was a big relief for Abbott when Julia took on Slipper. As he said at the time, "He is LABOR's problem now!!" A reference to the fact that they had wanted him gone for some time. Yes...he IS Labor's problem now...much to their chagrin and embarrassment. I well remember the comments on here about how clever Julia was in making him Speaker. I also remember how everyone thought that it was time for Kevin Rudd to be replaced by Julia Gillard. Replacement of one incompetent leader with another hasn't worked, it seems certain people dont really want to see  or in this case own what they actually did.. olive its really simple.. gillard recruited slipper at a time when he knew he was gone..[the libs already had enlisted a new member to run in Lynn]. the labs recruited this guy because they thought they could manipulate him as he was offside with the Libs and like all lefties.. they assumed he would want PAYBACK.little did they know they were dealing with an egomaniac..who took the position of speaker very very seriously.. except for one failing....well two really.. I knew he had a problem with cabcharge.travel allowances.. he had been made to pay back money in the past... however I for one had never heard of any sexual harassment charges in fact if he had been charged and found guilty I am almost sure that would have banished him from parliament.. I mean even they have a line that must never be crossed... dont they?????????? so apart from his mismanagement of money..which the labs new about as well.. that kind of leaves the labs with a whole lot of egg on their face as they recruited him......they actually went after him all behind Abbott back... the only way they know still wondering about the grubby insults... did you get any of those olive...LOL

Tra lala la lala and down the road we go. Cods you need to read what you post it really is a laugh a minute and Olive dear, when you start picking on spelling you have lost. good night  ;D

TheGreenLight wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 5:10pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 5:05pm: TheGreenLight wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 4:57pm: adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 4:50pm: I bet ya that if Slipper had known what a whiny little fag Ashby is he would never have hit on him. That's a pretty unfair thing to call him, but for what it's worth, I think that Ashby is hot. I would be all over that. I cant see Ian Roberts doing an Ashby and whining like a little girl..Gay or not, Ashby is supposed to be a man and as such he should handle himself like a man...not a whimpering child. How is he acting like a whimpering child? I am bi, and would much rather have Ashby over Ian Roberts. Roberts has a good bod, but the face leaves a lot to be desired.

Good on ya but Im not talking about how "hot" either of them look, Im talking about acting like a man.
If Ashby didnt like the way Slipper was behaving its up to him to man up and tell him to his face and if need be give him a clip around the ear.
Leaving things until he is groomed by Pyne and the Liberal Party to destroy Slipper is gutless.

adelcrow wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 5:21pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 5:10pm: adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 5:05pm: TheGreenLight wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 4:57pm: adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 4:50pm: I bet ya that if Slipper had known what a whiny little fag Ashby is he would never have hit on him. That's a pretty unfair thing to call him, but for what it's worth, I think that Ashby is hot. I would be all over that. I cant see Ian Roberts doing an Ashby and whining like a little girl..Gay or not, Ashby is supposed to be a man and as such he should handle himself like a man...not a whimpering child. How is he acting like a whimpering child? I am bi, and would much rather have Ashby over Ian Roberts. Roberts has a good bod, but the face leaves a lot to be desired. Good on ya but Im not talking about how "hot" either of them look, Im talking about acting like a man. If Ashby didnt like the way Slipper was behaving its up to him to man up and tell him to his face and if need be give him a clip around the ear. Leaving things until he is groomed by Pyne and the Liberal Party to destroy Slipper is gutless.

Are you still on with this, adel? There is no proof that that's what happened. Ashby DID reject Slipper's advances, but in return, was punished and Slipper kept pursuing him anyway.

john_g wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 6:44pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 5:21pm: TheGreenLight wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 5:10pm: adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 5:05pm: TheGreenLight wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 4:57pm: adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 4:50pm: I bet ya that if Slipper had known what a whiny little fag Ashby is he would never have hit on him. That's a pretty unfair thing to call him, but for what it's worth, I think that Ashby is hot. I would be all over that. I cant see Ian Roberts doing an Ashby and whining like a little girl..Gay or not, Ashby is supposed to be a man and as such he should handle himself like a man...not a whimpering child. How is he acting like a whimpering child? I am bi, and would much rather have Ashby over Ian Roberts. Roberts has a good bod, but the face leaves a lot to be desired. Good on ya but Im not talking about how "hot" either of them look, Im talking about acting like a man. If Ashby didnt like the way Slipper was behaving its up to him to man up and tell him to his face and if need be give him a clip around the ear. Leaving things until he is groomed by Pyne and the Liberal Party to destroy Slipper is gutless. Are you still on with this, adel? There is no proof that that's what happened. Ashby DID reject Slipper's advances, but in return, was punished and Slipper kept pursuing him anyway.

Proof? PROOF???

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE PROOF!!

Since when did you righty bigots need proof?

Gist wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 8:30am:

john_g wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 6:44pm: adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 5:21pm: TheGreenLight wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 5:10pm: adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 5:05pm: TheGreenLight wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 4:57pm: adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 4:50pm: I bet ya that if Slipper had known what a whiny little fag Ashby is he would never have hit on him. That's a pretty unfair thing to call him, but for what it's worth, I think that Ashby is hot. I would be all over that. I cant see Ian Roberts doing an Ashby and whining like a little girl..Gay or not, Ashby is supposed to be a man and as such he should handle himself like a man...not a whimpering child. How is he acting like a whimpering child? I am bi, and would much rather have Ashby over Ian Roberts. Roberts has a good bod, but the face leaves a lot to be desired. Good on ya but Im not talking about how "hot" either of them look, Im talking about acting like a man. If Ashby didnt like the way Slipper was behaving its up to him to man up and tell him to his face and if need be give him a clip around the ear. Leaving things until he is groomed by Pyne and the Liberal Party to destroy Slipper is gutless. Are you still on with this, adel? There is no proof that that's what happened. Ashby DID reject Slipper's advances, but in return, was punished and Slipper kept pursuing him anyway. Proof? PROOF??? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE PROOF!! Since when did you righty bigots need proof?

Me a righty bigot?  ::)

ra lala la lala and down the road we go. Cods you need to read what you post it really is a laugh a minute and Olive dear, when you start picking on spelling you have lost. good night 


well I am glad you see the funny side of this

and did you notice you are the  only one to boot..

well lets us know when you decide to debate something instead of your cringe worthy comments about the posters...boring as hell.. perhaps its time you realized no one cares what you think of me or olive for that matter..

talk about a topic for a change..

we could go on all day talking about what we think of each other...ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I dont think thats what this particular board is about... give relationships a burr.

john_g wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 11:09am:

Me a righty bigot?  ::)

If you walk like a duck and quack like a duck, you'll get treated like a duck. As adel rightly said, you've sworn many times not to vote Labor. Therefore you are NOT a swinging voter.

Gist wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 1:07pm:

john_g wrote on May 20th, 2012 at 11:09am: Gist wrote on May 20th, 2012 at 8:30am: john_g wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 6:44pm: adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 5:21pm: TheGreenLight wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 5:10pm: adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 5:05pm: TheGreenLight wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 4:57pm: adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 4:50pm: I bet ya that if Slipper had known what a whiny little fag Ashby is he would never have hit on him. That's a pretty unfair thing to call him, but for what it's worth, I think that Ashby is hot. I would be all over that. I cant see Ian Roberts doing an Ashby and whining like a little girl..Gay or not, Ashby is supposed to be a man and as such he should handle himself like a man...not a whimpering child. How is he acting like a whimpering child? I am bi, and would much rather have Ashby over Ian Roberts. Roberts has a good bod, but the face leaves a lot to be desired. Good on ya but Im not talking about how "hot" either of them look, Im talking about acting like a man. If Ashby didnt like the way Slipper was behaving its up to him to man up and tell him to his face and if need be give him a clip around the ear. Leaving things until he is groomed by Pyne and the Liberal Party to destroy Slipper is gutless. Are you still on with this, adel? There is no proof that that's what happened. Ashby DID reject Slipper's advances, but in return, was punished and Slipper kept pursuing him anyway. Proof? PROOF??? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE PROOF!! Since when did you righty bigots need proof? Me a righty bigot?  ::) If you walk like a duck and quack like a duck, you'll get treated like a duck. As adel rightly said, you've sworn many times not to vote Labor. Therefore you are NOT a swinging voter.

You've never heard of a donkey vote, have you?