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Title: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by falah on May 17^th, 2012 at 12:56pm

Conservatives want Third World Australia

WORKPLACE Relations Minister and former union chief Bill Shorten has made a rousing speech to the ACTU Congress in Sydney, telling them unions were more relevant and important than ever.

But he has warned union chiefs at the conference that the Coalition is "energised and aggressive", and "believe they are just a whisker away from running Australia".

And he struck out at those he said were trying to "smear" the entire union movement over the Health Services Union affair.
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Mr Shorten said unions should not listen to conservative commentators who were now regularly saying that the only way to make Australian workplaces more competitive was by cutting wages and conditions.

"Conservatives sell ... this myth that our workers can't compete ... unless we slavishly imitate the [work practices] of Third World nations," Mr Shorten said.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/conservatives-want-third-world-australia-shorten-20120517-1ysa3.html

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by falah on May 17^th, 2012 at 12:59pm

Liberals have signalled that they will attack workers' rights and slash social security so that we can be more like China. Is this what voters want?

Should Australia become more like China?

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by falah on May 17^th, 2012 at 1:00pm

Poll

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by The tolerator on May 17^th, 2012 at 1:08pm

There's a consensus on this - "conservatives" aka the mainstream right want 3rd world working conditions, while progressives want it filled with 3rd world people.

What can ya do?

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by falah on May 17^th, 2012 at 1:25pm

Hockey says Coalition would cut welfare

Opposition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey has indicated a coalition government would look at cutting welfare and other entitlements to offset lower personal income and business taxes.

Mr Hockey on Wednesday told policymakers in Europe the "age of entitlement" in Western countries was over...

...But he said the problem in Australia was not as bad as many European countries where 20-30 per cent of the gross domestic product (GDP) was government welfare spending.

In Australia, the level is only 16 per cent of GDP.

However, Mr Hockey though there was still work to be done to reduce this.

"We need to compare ourselves with our Asian neighbours where the entitlements programs of the state are far less than they are in Australia," he said.

"If we talk about the Asian century ... then the Asian countries are our competition, our children's competition."...

...Mr Hockey refused to comment when asked about specific entitlements the coalition would get rid of...

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Hockey-flags-welfare-cuts-TGJ3C?opendocument&src=rss

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by falah on May 17^th, 2012 at 1:29pm

Liberal states push IR reform

THE two most populous states have demanded the federal government overhaul the nation's industrial relations framework to increase productivity and clean up union inefficiencies.

Victoria and NSW yesterday launched a double-barrelled attack against the Gillard government's labour market agenda.

NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell accused the Gillard/Rudd governments of going too far with the Fair Work Act by winding back gains made by previous Coalition and Labor governments.

Mr Baillieu used a Liberal Party conference yesterday to declare that state governments wanted labour market reform as it related to construction to be placed on the next agenda of the Council of Australian Governments...

...His comments came as Mr O'Farrell told Sky News's Australian Agenda that the Fair Work Act needed to be overhauled and predicted that Tony Abbott would back change.

"I think it should be part and parcel of the federal opposition's argument about how we protect future productivity, future jobs and future opportunities in Australia," Mr O'Farrell told the program...

...While Mr Abbott has poured cold water on implementing individual contracts, large slabs of the private sector are lobbying furiously for change.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/liberal-states-push-ir-reform/story-fn59niix-1226167982307

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Neo Imperium on May 17^th, 2012 at 1:31pm

... wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 1:08pm:

There's a consensus on this - "conservatives" aka the mainstream right want 3rd world working conditions, while progressives want it filled with 3rd world people.

What can ya do?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MKb35NK0F0

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by falah on May 17^th, 2012 at 1:37pm

Abbott vows to tackle union 'militancy'

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says the coalition's workplace reforms would tackle flexibility and growing union "militancy".

Mr Abbott told a Queensland Liberal National Party meeting in Brisbane on Monday the coalition would not "go back to the past" in workplace relations, indirectly referring to the Howard government's Work Choices laws.

"But you all know that the pendulum having gone out here and has gone back right over to the other side and we need to bring it back to the middle," Mr Abbott said...

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8467204

Less of this:

and more of this:

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by falah on May 17^th, 2012 at 1:49pm

Remember How Within 2 Years Of Liberals Being Elected, Balaclaca-clad Thugs With Attack Dogs Were Employed To Attack Workers:

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Doctor Jolly on May 17^th, 2012 at 2:17pm

None of the liberals or those funding the liberals (BHP,etc) have actually said what they want changed ?

Be specific, or are they scared to mention work-choices ?

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 17^th, 2012 at 2:23pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 2:17pm:

None of the liberals or those funding the liberals (BHP,etc) have actually said what they want changed ?

Be specific, or are they scared to mention work-choices ?

Workchoices had so much mud slung at it by the Unions in a deliberate smear campaign (read To the Bitter End) and it worked.

The actual concept of Workchoices is a good one.
To remove the third party influence, get Australians working to a more modern set of rules and regulations - give employers flexibility to respond to changed global market conditions etc.

I have worked my whole life on individual contracts with billion dollar multi-nationals.
Workchoices was about moving away from the rigid, stuck in the past 1970s style agreements and onto a more modern set of employment agreements as the norm.

It was a good thing.
But the Unions saw it as a threat to their power and chucked the kitchen sink at besmirching its name,

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by falah on May 17^th, 2012 at 2:46pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 2:17pm:

None of the liberals or those funding the liberals (BHP,etc) have actually said what they want changed ?

Be specific, or are they scared to mention work-choices ?

What the Howard Government's Industrial Relations Policy Did To Wealth Inequality In Australia:

Gap between rich and poor widens

August 3, 2007

Figures published yesterday showed the biggest increase in inequality was between 2003-04 and 2005-06, with a surge in income generated by the top 20 per cent of households.

In that time, low-income households gained a $24-a-week increase in average household income. The increase extended to $43 a week for middle-income households and $139 a week for high-income households.

This was an 8 per cent increase in income for low- and middle-income households, but for the wealthiest households the increase was 13 per cent, the Bureau of Statistics figures showed...

...In 2005-06 the top 20 per cent of households held 61 per cent of total household wealth, with an average net worth of $1.7 million per household. The poorest 20 per cent of households had an average net worth of $27,000, or 1 per cent of total household wealth.

The Prime Minister, John Howard, said last week that not everybody was sharing in the good economic times...

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/gap-widens/2007/08/02/1185648060461.html

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Doctor Jolly on May 17^th, 2012 at 2:51pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 2:17pm:

None of the liberals or those funding the liberals (BHP,etc) have actually said what they want changed ?

Be specific, or are they scared to mention work-choices ?

What in gods name does "more modern" mean. ?

;D

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by falah on May 17^th, 2012 at 2:51pm

The Liberal Party would like to treat workers just like how they were treated in early 20th century US:

US Strike Breakers

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 17^th, 2012 at 2:58pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 2:51pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 2:17pm:

None of the liberals or those funding the liberals (BHP,etc) have actually said what they want changed ?

Be specific, or are they scared to mention work-choices ?

What in gods name does "more modern" mean. ?

;D

The world has changed and working practices have changed since the unionised days of the 1970s.

In the US office we roll our eyes when we hear how the AUS offices "can't come in on the weekend without paying the guys extra" or "we can't get rid of him without going down a formal 3 warning route"
etc etc etc

Australia needs to recognize the world has changed.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by FriYAY on May 17^th, 2012 at 3:08pm

2,000,000 union members in OZ @ $10 a week.

Time the ACTU was seen as the fat cat it is. All they care about is your $10.

Super rich tax for the ACTU.

Are union dues still tax deductable?

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by bludger on May 17^th, 2012 at 5:42pm

Without the unions kids would still be down the mine.
People don't change when there's a quid to be had particularly businesses, they'd sell there own grandmother.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Spot of Borg on May 17^th, 2012 at 6:09pm

bludger wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 5:42pm:

Without the unions kids would still be down the mine.
People don't change when there's a quid to be had particularly businesses, they'd sell there own grandmother.

Yeah . . . unions exist for a reason.

For those that dont mind a good read

SOB

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by freediver on May 17^th, 2012 at 6:22pm

Falah what is your position on social security, employee rights etc?

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Soren on May 17^th, 2012 at 10:45pm

falah wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

Hockey says Coalition would cut welfare

Good idea. Cut it so it cannot become a lifestyle choice.

Let neighbourhoods, local communities collect funds for welfare and manage the welfare recipients in their midst. People who know the recipients would take much greater care and would be much more interested in re-absorbing them into productive work. They would also support the truly needy without begrudging it, because they would know that they are truly needy.

Centrally managed, impersonal welfare is the poison, not welfare as such.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by corporate_whitey on May 17^th, 2012 at 11:24pm

I am much more interested in adopting Chinas policy for the Corporate Executive Maggots salary....
http://news.cnet.com/Chinas-new-weapon-Low-executive-pay/2100-1022_3-6188306.html
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by falah on May 18^th, 2012 at 1:03am

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 6:22pm:

Falah what is your position on social security, employee rights etc?

I support these concepts as does any decent human being.

I don't see Australian law as being perfect, but neither do I applaud the conservatives' goals of stripping away these rights and creating a 'law of the jungle' environment reminiscent of the 19th century Europe.

19th century English poor house

19th century English coal miners & chimney sweeps

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by corporate_whitey on May 18^th, 2012 at 1:21am

I am committed to ending corporate vice in all working class suburbs - seeing brothels, pubs, fast food outlets, pokie venues and drugs cleared out and outlawed. We should not tolerate for one minute in any working class suburb any corporate vice indusuies aimed at morrallly corroding and exploiting our communities. 8-)

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by corporate_whitey on May 18^th, 2012 at 1:35am

In reality the entire executive of business is obsolete and a drain on competitiveness. The executive could be abolished altogether and business run by worker collectives. 8-)

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by corporate_whitey on May 18^th, 2012 at 1:47am

One of the great objections I have to corporate vice industries in working class suburbs is that they are wealth redistribution scams. The people running them are not our kind, we do not know these people, they are not part of our community - who is this American McDonald's and KFC dealing in obesity and heart failure to the working class and why should we allow them to do business among us when all they do is weaken us and rip billions out of our communities. Who are these fat cats installing pokie machine venues in our town...we do not know them, they are not our kind and the wealth is stolen by that other class for their welfare. We should not stand for it. 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Not In My Suburb!
:)

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Spot of Borg on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:04am

Quote:

I don't see Australian law as being perfect, but neither do I applaud the conservatives' goals of stripping away these rights and creating a 'law of the jungle' environment reminiscent of the 19th century Europe.

Yeah. Thats what the link I gave was about . 1911. Before unions were formed.

SOB

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by freediver on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:46am

falah wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 1:03am:

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 6:22pm:

Falah what is your position on social security, employee rights etc?

Do you think we should have more social security?

What standards does Islam set for government welfare?

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Spot of Borg on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:55am

Thing is BOTH parties want to make us a 3rd world nation.

SOB

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by corporate_whitey on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:08am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:55am:

Thing is BOTH parties want to make us a 3rd world nation.

SOB

Thgat has been obvious for three decades. :-X

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:08am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:55am:

Thing is BOTH parties want to make us a 3rd world nation.

SOB

Its a shame Nationalism is always left out of the equation.
Less immigration would drive up the wages to entice workers into positions.
And unions will never make that happen as it makes them redundant.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by corporate_whitey on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:10am

Working class suburbs need to start placing restrictions on the Vice Trading in their communities and fight back hard. 8-)

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Spot of Borg on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:16am

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:08am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:55am:

Thing is BOTH parties want to make us a 3rd world nation.

SOB

Not sure what that means since unions are there to make sure ppl get a fair go in the workplace.

SOB

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:35am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:16am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:08am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:55am:

Thing is BOTH parties want to make us a 3rd world nation.

SOB

Not sure what that means since unions are there to make sure ppl get a fair go in the workplace.

SOB

well if wages increased due to competition for workers people would have no need to join a union to fight for higher wages. And unions don't like that because there is no money to be made by them, this is why unions always fund advertisements for political parties who support high immigration as it drives down the cost of workers so more workers will join the union and the more money unions stand to make. and on the flip side of the coin, big business also supports high immigration as they don't have to compete for workers allowing them to pay lower wages and creates higher profits.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Spot of Borg on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:00am

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:35am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:16am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:08am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:55am:

Thing is BOTH parties want to make us a 3rd world nation.

SOB

Not sure what that means since unions are there to make sure ppl get a fair go in the workplace.

SOB

Unions arent just about higher wages. They are about working conditions and equal opportunity.

SOB

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:14am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:00am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:35am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:16am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:08am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:55am:

Thing is BOTH parties want to make us a 3rd world nation.

SOB

Not sure what that means since unions are there to make sure ppl get a fair go in the workplace.

SOB

Unions arent just about higher wages. They are about working conditions and equal opportunity.

SOB

Unions are about profits, nothing more. They put on a good show for workers creating the illusion they are there for workers. But they fund the very system that works against the worker. If there is a safety issue in the work place, one only has to put a complaint to work-cover. A worker don't need a union if concerned about safety issues. The only relevance unions have now days are wages. But with unions continued funding of political parties that support high immigration, they are working against the Australian worker striving for less competition for workers and lower pay.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Spot of Borg on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:38am

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:14am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:00am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:35am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:16am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:08am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:55am:

Thing is BOTH parties want to make us a 3rd world nation.

SOB

Not sure what that means since unions are there to make sure ppl get a fair go in the workplace.

SOB

Unions arent just about higher wages. They are about working conditions and equal opportunity.

SOB

Are you saying we dont need unions? That we should go back to the old days when corporations were trusted to handle this stuff themselves and child labour was rampant?

SOB

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by falah on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:58am

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:08am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:55am:

Thing is BOTH parties want to make us a 3rd world nation.

SOB

That is garbage. It is the rich corporates who encourage the government to increase immigration. Immigration suits the rich corporates in two ways; lowering wages, and providing an engine for economic growth by stimulating demand in areas such as housing.

If we look historically, it has been the working classes that have been against immigration precisely because of the impact of cheap labour on Australian wages.

It was a Labor government that introduced the White Australia Policy (Immigration Restriction Act) in 1901 in order to keep cheap (mainly Chinese) labor out of Australia.

Anyway, to cut off immigration now would mean a huge slump in house prices and huge rises in inflation with flow-on effects = a huge hit to the Australian economy.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:54am

falah wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:58am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:08am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:55am:

Thing is BOTH parties want to make us a 3rd world nation.

SOB

Maybe you should learn a bit more about our history, it was the Protectionist party not the Labor party that introduce the policies known as the 'White Australia Policy' and it was people from the Protectionist Party that campaigned for Federation of the colonies so it could introduce such laws.

I dont disagree with your comment
Quote:

It is the rich corporates who encourage the government to increase immigration. Immigration suits the rich corporates in two ways; lowering wages, and providing an engine for economic growth by stimulating demand in areas such as housing.

Rich corporates donate money to both Liberal and Labor Parties Its on record.
But you can not deny Unions also benifit from high immigration as lower wages gives the unions a higher membership. This is why unions support high immigration.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by falah on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:46pm

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Quote:

The Barton Government which won the first elections following Federation in 1901 was formed by the Protectionist Party with the support of the Australian Labour Party. The support of the Labour Party was contingent upon restricting non-white immigration, reflecting the attitudes of the Australian Worker's Union and other labour organisations at the time, upon whose support the Labour Party was founded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Soren on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:08pm

I am for the 19th century American model of immigration: let them all come but no welfare.
We want people who can make their way and I don't care what colour they are.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:26pm

falah wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:46pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Quote:

You can put all the spin on it you like, It was the protectionist party not labor that won the election that introduced the policies that made 'The White Australia Policy'.
If not for Edmund Barton and Alfred Deakin it would never of happened. Sure Labor use to support Australian workers but since the end of World War 2 the Labor Movement was infiltrated by Marxism. And has done everything it can to work against the Australian Worker ever since.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Peter Freedman on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:27pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 2:17pm:

None of the liberals or those funding the liberals (BHP,etc) have actually said what they want changed ?

Be specific, or are they scared to mention work-choices ?

This is pure employer speak. I heard so much of it in NZ during the dark days of the Employment Contracts Act.

"Flexibility" means no overtime rates. no weekend penal payments, lower wages and lesser working conditions. It means the right to fire without reason and no right of appeal.

"Rigidity" means having legally enforceable collective employment contracts instead of vaguely worded individidual documents which have little legal force.

"Third party influence" of course means trade unions.

Organisations formed by working people to represent them and argue their case are NOT third parties. They are as much a part of the workplace as any employer.

Andrei is welcome to labour relations US style. Fortunately Australians and New Zealanders knew better and forced the dumping of both Work Choices and the ECA.

But now the Key government in NZ is trying again. So will Abbott if the Liberals gain power.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Soren on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:41pm

At it's most simple, nobody owes anyone a job. Nobody is obliged to have you work for him.

All the progs (unionist prominent among them) want no fault divorce, for example, yet they want divorce between the employer and employee to be made all but impossible, if initiated by the employer. They want freedom for everyone except the employer. The employer must maintain the progs in a job, whether he wants to or not. The unionists can start a strike and NOT work, of course, whenever they decide.
It's all very hysterical and bitchy and gay.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Spot of Borg on May 19^th, 2012 at 8:46am

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:41pm:

How is it gay?

SOB

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Avram Horowitz on May 19^th, 2012 at 12:29pm

Your signature is offensive and not true.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Spot of Borg on May 19^th, 2012 at 12:39pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

Your signature is offensive and not true.

How is it offensive? And when will you answer the question in the israel/palestinians thread?

SOB

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Soren on May 19^th, 2012 at 1:37pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 8:46am:

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:41pm:

How is it gay?

SOB

It's gay like you are gay - bitchy, one-sided, hypocritical, forever frazzled and miffed and emotive and incomprehending.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Spot of Borg on May 19^th, 2012 at 2:30pm

Quote:

It's gay like you are gay - bitchy, one-sided, hypocritical, forever frazzled and miffed and emotive and incomprehending.

I have never seen or even heard of a union like that. You need to take your meds. The voices will recede then.

SOB

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Avram Horowitz on May 19^th, 2012 at 2:52pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 12:39pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

Your signature is offensive and not true.

How is it offensive? And when will you answer the question in the israel/palestinians thread?

SOB

It is offensive.
What question?
Repeat it and I will answer if I can.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by falah on May 19^th, 2012 at 3:59pm

Liberal students urging party leadership to revive WorkChoices

In a signal many grassroots Liberals are growing more and more confident of an historic and massive electoral triumph in next year’s election, the University of West Australia’s Liberal Club has unanimously carried a motion urging the re-adoption of once controversial labour WorkChoices by the next Coalition government.

It came on the same day as the federal leader declared that the federal Coalition ought to aim for an even stronger result than the LNP in Queensland achieved:

“Obviously the Coalition did particularly well in Queensland at the last federal election.

“I think the LNP has obviously triumphed magnificently in the recent state election and I think we can do even better in the next federal election.

Many Liberals, not just in WA which is glorying in its soaring prosperity right now, of the younger generation are urging the federal party room’s more cautious leadership to “step up” on policy and to – use the Aaron Sorkin term that only coke-fuelled visions of George Stephanopoulos could have inspired – “take their numbers out for a spin” to seek a mandate on normally contentious issues like labour market deregulation. Calling WorkChoices labour market deregulation is generous considering its 1500 pages but it’s the symbolism of it that excites many young enthusiasts.

This view extends into the party room, with the “Young and the Restless” group in the federal Liberals, including Scott Ryan and Jamie Briggs, who apparently bonded over sausage rolls in the Qantas Chairman’s Lounge in Canberra, who plan to ensure that “ideologically unsound” gents like the Liberal Lefty Joe Hockey and his notionally NSW Liberal Right but originally DLP leader Tony Abbott. Neither are keen on repeating the political “mistakes” of WorkChoices, having seen any hope of Howard winning in 2007 extinguished by the issue.

Both sides have a point with the Coalition’s likely victory at the next federal election seeming as close to locked in as any federal election since 1955, with the issue regarded by Labor and Liberal insiders alike as crucial to determining the 2007 result, which was much closer than most (leftish) analysts care to recall. There was a big swing to Labor but it was from a low base in 2004.

Some Liberals passionate for workplace relations reforms are being told to back off now by the Leader’s office with a promise to revisit issues after the election and by referring to the Leader’s public declarations of a big crackdown on the internal governance of trade unions to eliminate rorts of the kind for which the HSU in Victoria and NSW became infamous.

http://www.vexnews.com/2012/05/no-guts-no-glory-liberal-students-urging-party-leadership-to-revive-workchoices/

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by longweekend58 on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:10pm

A typically stupid falah/galah post.

if we wanted a third-world country, we'd adopt islam. After all, all the thrid-world toilet countries are islamic. its the quickest trip to poverty, oppression and no human rights. Islam: the answer to every dictators prayers

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by falah on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:39pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

Except that the CIA World fact book says that the world's poorest 22 countries are Christian!

41 out of the 42 poorest countries are Christian!

53 out of the 57 poorest countries are Christian!

62 out of the 68 poorest countries are Christian!

67 out of the 74 poorest countries are Christian!

A few of them are European Christian countries.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Soren on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:55pm

falah wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

Except that the CIA World fact book says that ...

Love it!!!
Falah is citing the CIA as his trump card!!

PRICELESS!!!!!!

(For everything else, you have Abu)

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by nairbe on May 19^th, 2012 at 5:16pm

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:55pm:

falah wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

Except that the CIA World fact book says that ...

Love it!!!
Falah is citing the CIA as his trump card!!

PRICELESS!!!!!!

(For everything else, you have Abu)

Goodness Soren you really are a looser aren't you. Try acceptance or reply with something that looks like logic but this was a plain old fail.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Soren on May 19^th, 2012 at 5:38pm

nairbe wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 5:16pm:

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:55pm:

falah wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

Except that the CIA World fact book says that ...

Love it!!!
Falah is citing the CIA as his trump card!!

PRICELESS!!!!!!

(For everything else, you have Abu)

Goodness Soren you really are a looser aren't you. Try acceptance or reply with something that looks like logic but this was a plain old fail.

Oh, FFS, don't be such a predictably silly old bint. Haven't you noticed that Galah hasn't provided anything just some random lines with exclamation marks? He's making it up and you of course can be trusted to suck it all up "'coz the UASS is, like, the worst country in the universe, isn't it?"

Once your mind is clouded by all this islamo-leftoid miasma, there is no way out of the fog.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by falah on May 19^th, 2012 at 5:50pm

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Spot of Borg on May 19^th, 2012 at 5:55pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 2:52pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 12:39pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

Your signature is offensive and not true.

How is it offensive? And when will you answer the question in the israel/palestinians thread?

SOB

It is offensive.
What question?
Repeat it and I will answer if I can.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1334533098/60#60

SOB

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Soren on May 19^th, 2012 at 6:02pm

falah wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 5:50pm:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita

Where does either link identify the countries as 'Christian'? You are counting everything non-Muslim as 'Christian'.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by longweekend58 on May 19^th, 2012 at 6:40pm

falah wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

total drivel. Galah just makes stuff up to ignore that fact that every mulsim country is poor, totalitarian and a screwup.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by falah on May 19^th, 2012 at 7:06pm

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 6:02pm:

falah wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 5:50pm:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29

Where does either link identify the countries as 'Christian'? You are counting everything non-Muslim as 'Christian'.

Not true. I counted the countries which had Christian majorities. Bhutan, the buddhist country, was one of the I counted as a non-Christian country.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by falah on May 19^th, 2012 at 7:13pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

falah wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

total drivel. Galah just makes stuff up to ignore that fact that every mulsim country is poor, totalitarian and a screwup.

Hate to be one of those mulsims.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by corporate_whitey on May 19^th, 2012 at 7:39pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

falah wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

total drivel. Galah just makes stuff up to ignore that fact that every mulsim country is poor, totalitarian and a screwup.

That about sounds like what an idiot like you is doing to this country longwipedbum. ::)

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by Soren on May 19^th, 2012 at 7:56pm

falah wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 7:06pm:

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 6:02pm:

falah wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 5:50pm:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29

Where does either link identify the countries as 'Christian'? You are counting everything non-Muslim as 'Christian'.

Not true. I counted the countries which had Christian majorities. Bhutan, the buddhist country, was one of the I counted as a non-Christian country.

SO from that we can take it as finally established that any country with 50% plus Muslim population is a Muslim country, governed in accordance with Islamic tenets and Islam is primary cause of whatever status such a country has.

Thank you.

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by longweekend58 on May 19^th, 2012 at 8:15pm

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 7:56pm:

falah wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 7:06pm:

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 6:02pm:

falah wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 5:50pm:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29

Where does either link identify the countries as 'Christian'? You are counting everything non-Muslim as 'Christian'.

Not true. I counted the countries which had Christian majorities. Bhutan, the buddhist country, was one of the I counted as a non-Christian country.

SO from that we can take it as finally established that any country with 50% plus Muslim population is a Muslim country, governed in accordance with Islamic tenets and Islam is sole cause of whatever status such a country has.

Thank you.

he walked into it pretty easilty didnt he?

no-one has ever accused galah of intelligence

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by freediver on May 21^st, 2012 at 9:05am

Let's try the 'simple question' test.

Falah, on what criteria can a country be labelled a 'Christian country' or a 'Muslim country'?

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by corporate_whitey on May 21^st, 2012 at 10:31am

Up to 70% of the Australian people are malnourished - this scale of human catastrophe does not exist in Asia or Africa, but this Government believes it is in a position to deliver massive humanitarian aid to other countries?

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by corporate_whitey on May 21^st, 2012 at 11:02am

Why is sir Bob Geldoff, Angelina Jolie, Bob Brown and Julia Gilard silent on the humanitarian crisis of the Austrian people and why are they demanding and taking the natural resources and wealth off the Australian people ad giving it to others?

Title: Re: Conservatives want Third World Australia
Post by falah on May 21^st, 2012 at 1:13pm

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 9:05am:

Let's try the 'simple question' test.

Falah, on what criteria can a country be labelled a 'Christian country' or a 'Muslim country'?

That would depend on whether you are referring to the people or the government.

The Arabic word 'Muslim' inherently implies that you are talking about people.

If we are talking about a system we would use the word 'Islamiyyah' or 'Islamic'.

The word 'Christian' is linguistically used interchangeability to refer to people or systems.