Hot on the heals of the Delimiter story, ZDNet has published another huge slapdown on Abbott for his incessant lies regarding the NBN.

http://www.zdnet.com.au/nbn-fud-will-abbott-ever-learn-339337810.htm

There are some pearlers in there:

"...the reality that NBN pricing has shown absolutely no threat of exploding in the real world, in the way it apparently explodes, over and over again, inside Abbott's head."

"When it comes to the NBN, Abbott has shown prodigious skill in cramming masses of hysterical, prejudicial, dogmatic and entirely inaccurate FUD, into one or two sentences."

"Over and over again, Tony Abbott has done with his NBN facts what Dan Quayle did with the English language."

Funny that none of the News Ltd papers have pointed out all Abbott's lies on the issue. I wonder why not?  ::)

Who cares if the Coalition fudge a bit because they will sell the NBN shortly after they take over next year or earlier to recover the enormous wasteful irresponsible incompetent borrowed money that has already been squandered on this earthbound antique.

The NBN won't ever be finished as it would cost about $100bn and it very likely won't ever show a profit and the borrowed money represents a huge financial burden on the Australian taxpayer and so the Coalition must act quickly to drastically reduce the huge wasteful interest cost directly attributable to this monument to the incomparable incompetence of the very worst most despicable lying excuse for a "Government" in Australia's history.

The mistake the useless hopeless unqualified incompetent ex-unionist Laborites made is that the growth in telephone calls is in the mobile area and not in home phones. The NBN earthbound antique is not much good when one is moving around as it does not stretch very well.

Most Businesses that require fiber optic cable already have it and most mobile bases are already connected to fiber optic cable. The only useful expansion of the NBN earthbound antique is to places which don't have any effective service at present but, however, these places, due to the long distances and difficult terrain, are very expensive to install fiber optic cable to and will never return a profit.

Merely duplicating existing services is prohibitively expensive and existing consumers with an adequate internet service simply won't be able to afford to pay for a faster service particularly after the utterly ridiculous Communist inspired "CO2" socialist tax steadily ruins the Australian economy - fortunately the stewpidd "CO2" socialist tax will be quickly repealed by the vastly more responsible and competent Coalition Government.

is this guy talking about the NBN thats was costing us $4.5.billion and now is looking at $40bn PLUS>>>


cant be right..

who ever would accuse someone of wonky figures after that aberration.


no sane person that I know of.

Turnbull is the spokesman on the NBN. You know, they guy who set up Ozemail back in the mist of time.

What did Tony say, other than it's a massively expensive folly?

buzzanddidj wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 4:58pm:

This reminds me of Tony Abbott referring to a "high fibre" internet NOW, he has "milk for under a litre" to put on his All-Bran http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-M8Sg69Q9Nyw/Tzuo3JSOm2I/AAAAAAAABIs/1x3jB0I94CY/s1600/AllBranFibreTopperRecipes.jpg

juliar wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 10:50pm:

Who cares if the Coalition fudge a bit because they will sell the NBN shortly after they take over next year or earlier to recover the enormous wasteful irresponsible incompetent borrowed money that has already been squandered on this earthbound antique. The NBN won't ever be finished as it would cost about $100bn and it very likely won't ever show a profit and the borrowed money represents a huge financial burden on the Australian taxpayer and so the Coalition must act quickly to drastically reduce the huge wasteful interest cost directly attributable to this monument to the incomparable incompetence of the very worst most despicable lying excuse for a "Government" in Australia's history. The mistake the useless hopeless unqualified incompetent ex-unionist Laborites made is that the growth in telephone calls is in the mobile area and not in home phones. The NBN earthbound antique is not much good when one is moving around as it does not stretch very well. Most Businesses that require fiber optic cable already have it and most mobile bases are already connected to fiber optic cable. The only useful expansion of the NBN earthbound antique is to places which don't have any effective service at present but, however, these places, due to the long distances and difficult terrain, are very expensive to install fiber optic cable to and will never return a profit. Merely duplicating existing services is prohibitively expensive and existing consumers with an adequate internet service simply won't be able to afford to pay for a faster service particularly after the utterly ridiculous Communist inspired "CO2" socialist tax steadily ruins the Australian economy - fortunately the stewpidd "CO2" socialist tax will be quickly repealed by the vastly more responsible and competent Coalition Government.

The irony of that statement considering your own username is hilarious, you dogshit of a person.

I'm frequently stunned by some of the comments I hear in the debate on broadband in Australia.

Most stunning amongst them are those from folk who claim their current broadband connection is more than adequate for their foreseeable needs. They could possibly be correct - provided they have no intention of utilising any of the innovations that will be released over the next 10 to 20 years.

But travel an hour or more out of a major centre and you'll hear a very different story.

I was fortunate in April to spend the best part of a week presenting a series of introductory workshops on the digital economy to communities throughout Western Queensland, organised by the Central Western Queensland Remote Area Planning and Development Board (RAPAD).

Spend some time talking to managers of cattle stations that are hours away from the nearest town, and you get a very different view of the importance of broadband. It is a perspective that is backed with a great deal of frustration.

Broadband is the great leveller for regional societies. It tears down barriers to communications and commerce. It gives residents access to services for which they might previously have previously driven hours (or days). It enables them to participate in education programs hosted anywhere in the world, and delivers greater access to healthcare through telehealth. And it opens up a wider range of employment opportunities through teleworking.

That is, provided you have sufficient bandwidth. Anyone who says you can do all of these things on today's networks needs to jump in their car and meet a few people who can't.

For Australians living outside of a township, a broadband connection via ADSL or 3G is the stuff of legend. The best that many can hope for is satellite with speeds measured in the kilobits-per-second range, with terrible latency (put simply the lag between hitting the return key and getting a response). According to many of the people I spoke to, satellite reception is patchy at best.

The proposed National Broadband Network promises to run fibre to 93 per cent of Australian households. An interim satellite service is already in play and offers a download speed of just 6 Mb/s (and 1 Mb/s up) with restrictive data caps. When NBN Co's Long Term Satellite Service is launched in 2015 speeds will increase to 12 Mb/s (the so-called Rolls Royce solution).

But most regional broadband users are stuck with an inferior satellite service offered up under the Australian Broadband Guarantee, and must wait for that contract to expire before they can access the interim service. This means that those regional Australians who most want their broadband satellite service improved are prevented from accessing the NBN interim service.

In terms of the fibre rollout, 93 per cent sounds like an impressive number for a country with Australia's population dispersal. Unless of course you are one of the 7 per cent who will have to accept an inferior solution.

Maybe it is better to think of the 7 per cent as a real number - 1.6 million Australians.

For city dwellers - myself included - it is easy to dismiss this disparity on the grounds that running fibre to every home in Australia unaffordable.

But tell that to someone who is currently suffering with a satellite connection that makes basic services that city folk take for granted - such as Skype - into an unpleasant experience.

Or tell that to children studying with the School of the Air, who are struggling to access to a digital-based curriculum. Or to their parents who are worrying about the learning opportunities their children are missing out on.

And it's even more galling to think that when the new satellites are up, country residents will be paying the same price for that service that every other Australian pays, despite its comparative inferiority.

Yes - their access will be subsidised, but their out-of-pocket expenses are the same as everyone else's. A city dweller can expect to have access to a network which performs eight times better than satellite and with less latency.

Perhaps we should take heed of developments in Finland, where the government made access to broadband a legal right for every citizen in July 2010. Finland's initial goal was to ensure that all citizens were connected at speeds of at least 1Mb/s. The longer term goal is to have all connected at 100Mb/s by 2015.

Granted, Finland has only 5.4 million people, and would easily fit into NSW twice. But this initiative recognises the fundamental importance of broadband within society. Sometimes it takes a government drawing a line in the sand to create the environment where insolvable problems become solvable.



http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2012/05/14/3502448.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201109/r831760_7668530.jpg

If we could get copper there a century ago, shouldn't we be able to get fibre there now ?

Why are the Finns so clever. Sorry, wrong thread.

MOTR wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 1:45am:

Why are the Finns so clever. Sorry, wrong thread.

I was JUST thinking the VERY SAME THING
In fact, SCANDINAVIA in general
From Denmark's wind farm success story - to Finland's broadband

buzzanddidj wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 1:56am:

MOTR wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 1:45am: Why are the Finns so clever. Sorry, wrong thread. I was JUST thinking the VERY SAME THING In fact, SCANDINAVIA in general From Denmark's wind farm success story - to Finland's broadband

I was thinking of Finland's comprehensive public education system.

Soren wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 11:08pm:

Turnbull is the spokesman on the NBN. You know, they guy who set up Ozemail back in the mist of time. What did Tony say, other than it's a massively expensive folly?

Turnbull never set up ozemail, he bought it around 5 years after it was started by others.
I have seen other back in the Yahoo days even try to claim that Turnbull brought the internet to Australia.
He saw a business opportunity and jumped on it.

juliar wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 10:50pm:

blah blah blah

The sheer volume of moronic fail in your response makes it worthy of some sort of award.  :D :D :D

Let's take a walk through....


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Who cares if the Coalition fudge a bit and .....the very worst most despicable lying excuse for a "Government".....

Riiiight... So, it's OK for the coalition to lie about broadband, but it's not OK for the ALP to "lie" about a carbon tax? Would you care to explain this apparent contradiction?  ::)


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...because they will sell the NBN shortly after they take over next year or earlier to recover the enormous wasteful irresponsible incompetent borrowed money that has already been squandered on this earthbound antique.

Hmmm. Ignoring for a second the fact that everything you've written about antiquity, obsolescence etc is demonstrably false....

For argument's sake, lets assume you're right. If the NBN is indeed an obsolete antique, with no prospect of making any money, would you care to explain how the coalition will be able to sell it to recoup the money invested into it? What private company would buy such an "antique"?


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Most Businesses that require fiber optic cable already have it

Bullsh!t.


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and most mobile bases are already connected to fiber optic cable.

Unless you'd like to build more base stations, of course. Which you will, since more users, more volume and better coverage all require more base stations.


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The only useful expansion of the NBN earthbound antique is to places which don't have any effective service at present but, however, these places, due to the long distances and difficult terrain, are very expensive to install fiber optic cable to and will never return a profit.

The stupid, it burns.

If you compare Australia to the OECD, about 80% of Australians don't have an adequate service.

Those country places you're talking about don;t get fibre under the NBN. They get wireless or satellite, because those are the most appropriate technologies for sparsely populated areas. Because that wireless/sat bandwidth doesn't have to be shared with millions of people.

Funny that you think the NBN would be best rolled out in areas where it makes the least sense, contradicting everyone in Australia who has more than 1/10 of an average brain.


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The mistake the useless hopeless unqualified incompetent ex-unionist Laborites made is that the growth in telephone calls is in the mobile area and not in home phones.

You utter imbecile. Maybe this statement explains your unrivalled incompetance when discussing the NBN. You see, it's not about making phone calls. It's about broadband. That's why it's called the National Broadband Network, rather than the National Phonecall Network. We have a national phonecall network already. It was rolled out by our Government ~100 years ago, despite the raving protests at the time from groups of backward morons, not dissimilar to yourself.

Maybe words are too difficult, and you're prefer a picture:
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Soren wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 11:08pm:

Turnbull is the spokesman on the NBN. You know, they guy who set up Ozemail back in the mist of time. What did Tony say, other than it's a massively expensive folly?

juliar has already admitted he is fudging facts!

You so called 'conservatives' are split over the truth here!!

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GoddyofOz wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 12:54am:

juliar wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 10:50pm: Who cares if the Coalition fudge a bit because they will sell the NBN shortly after they take over next year or earlier to recover the enormous wasteful irresponsible incompetent borrowed money that has already been squandered on this earthbound antique. The NBN won't ever be finished as it would cost about $100bn and it very likely won't ever show a profit and the borrowed money represents a huge financial burden on the Australian taxpayer and so the Coalition must act quickly to drastically reduce the huge wasteful interest cost directly attributable to this monument to the incomparable incompetence of the very worst most despicable lying excuse for a "Government" in Australia's history. The mistake the useless hopeless unqualified incompetent ex-unionist Laborites made is that the growth in telephone calls is in the mobile area and not in home phones. The NBN earthbound antique is not much good when one is moving around as it does not stretch very well. Most Businesses that require fiber optic cable already have it and most mobile bases are already connected to fiber optic cable. The only useful expansion of the NBN earthbound antique is to places which don't have any effective service at present but, however, these places, due to the long distances and difficult terrain, are very expensive to install fiber optic cable to and will never return a profit. Merely duplicating existing services is prohibitively expensive and existing consumers with an adequate internet service simply won't be able to afford to pay for a faster service particularly after the utterly ridiculous Communist inspired "CO2" socialist tax steadily ruins the Australian economy - fortunately the stewpidd "CO2" socialist tax will be quickly repealed by the vastly more responsible and competent Coalition Government. The irony of that statement considering your own username is hilarious, you dogshit of a person.

It's a classic statment SOREN and Co. have a lot of trouble comprehending how to deal with!  ;D ;D ;D

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:20pm:

GoddyofOz wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:54am: juliar wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 10:50pm: Who cares if the Coalition fudge a bit because they will sell the NBN shortly after they take over next year or earlier to recover the enormous wasteful irresponsible incompetent borrowed money that has already been squandered on this earthbound antique. The NBN won't ever be finished as it would cost about $100bn and it very likely won't ever show a profit and the borrowed money represents a huge financial burden on the Australian taxpayer and so the Coalition must act quickly to drastically reduce the huge wasteful interest cost directly attributable to this monument to the incomparable incompetence of the very worst most despicable lying excuse for a "Government" in Australia's history. The mistake the useless hopeless unqualified incompetent ex-unionist Laborites made is that the growth in telephone calls is in the mobile area and not in home phones. The NBN earthbound antique is not much good when one is moving around as it does not stretch very well. Most Businesses that require fiber optic cable already have it and most mobile bases are already connected to fiber optic cable. The only useful expansion of the NBN earthbound antique is to places which don't have any effective service at present but, however, these places, due to the long distances and difficult terrain, are very expensive to install fiber optic cable to and will never return a profit. Merely duplicating existing services is prohibitively expensive and existing consumers with an adequate internet service simply won't be able to afford to pay for a faster service particularly after the utterly ridiculous Communist inspired "CO2" socialist tax steadily ruins the Australian economy - fortunately the stewpidd "CO2" socialist tax will be quickly repealed by the vastly more responsible and competent Coalition Government. The irony of that statement considering your own username is hilarious, you dogshit of a person. It's a classic statment SOREN and Co. have a lot of trouble comprehending how to deal with!  ;D ;D ;D

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BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:20pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 5:20pm: GoddyofOz wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 12:54am: juliar wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 10:50pm: Who cares if the Coalition fudge a bit because they will sell the NBN shortly after they take over next year or earlier to recover the enormous wasteful irresponsible incompetent borrowed money that has already been squandered on this earthbound antique. The NBN won't ever be finished as it would cost about $100bn and it very likely won't ever show a profit and the borrowed money represents a huge financial burden on the Australian taxpayer and so the Coalition must act quickly to drastically reduce the huge wasteful interest cost directly attributable to this monument to the incomparable incompetence of the very worst most despicable lying excuse for a "Government" in Australia's history. The mistake the useless hopeless unqualified incompetent ex-unionist Laborites made is that the growth in telephone calls is in the mobile area and not in home phones. The NBN earthbound antique is not much good when one is moving around as it does not stretch very well. Most Businesses that require fiber optic cable already have it and most mobile bases are already connected to fiber optic cable. The only useful expansion of the NBN earthbound antique is to places which don't have any effective service at present but, however, these places, due to the long distances and difficult terrain, are very expensive to install fiber optic cable to and will never return a profit. Merely duplicating existing services is prohibitively expensive and existing consumers with an adequate internet service simply won't be able to afford to pay for a faster service particularly after the utterly ridiculous Communist inspired "CO2" socialist tax steadily ruins the Australian economy - fortunately the stewpidd "CO2" socialist tax will be quickly repealed by the vastly more responsible and competent Coalition Government. The irony of that statement considering your own username is hilarious, you dogshit of a person. It's a classic statment SOREN and Co. have a lot of trouble comprehending how to deal with!  ;D ;D ;D :D :D

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