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Title: Why? In 50 words or less Post by NorthOfNorth on May 15th, 2012 at 7:56pm
Why did Hitler target Jews?
The Kaiser blamed the "enemy within" for the destruction of Germany. The Kaiser named the Jews as the enemy within. The military accepted the Kaiser's conclusion. The Jews were believed to be socialists - "Enemies of the state". Marx, Trotsky et al. |
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Title: Re: Why? In 50 words or less Post by Deathridesahorse on May 15th, 2012 at 8:47pm
Something to do with a crackpot theory of inferior races.... I dunno!
War is war!! |
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Title: Re: Why? In 50 words or less Post by MOTR on May 15th, 2012 at 8:53pm
Has it got anything to do with them claiming to be the chosen people.
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Title: Re: Why? In 50 words or less Post by NorthOfNorth on May 16th, 2012 at 5:50am MOTR wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 8:53pm:
No. Hitler was not concerned with religious claims, Jewish or Christian (except for expediency in the case of the latter). He believed them to be the root of communism and a fifth column. |
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Title: Re: Why? In 50 words or less Post by MOTR on May 16th, 2012 at 7:04am
But was this built on a preexisting hatred of Jews.
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Title: Re: Why? In 50 words or less Post by NorthOfNorth on May 16th, 2012 at 7:37am MOTR wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 7:04am:
Yes. Although Jewish culture was deeply associated with German culture (even the language, Yiddish, was a German-Hebrew dialect) to the degree that, prior to the 1930s, most Jews would have believed that, of all European nations, Germany held the best hope for Jewish European identity and acceptance. |
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Title: Re: Why? In 50 words or less Post by MOTR on May 16th, 2012 at 7:41am NorthOfNorth wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 7:37am:
I didn't know that. |
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Title: Re: Why? In 50 words or less Post by MOTR on May 16th, 2012 at 7:48am NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 7:56pm:
Would you concur with Reuth? Middle class bigotry morphed into murderous hatred as the Jews were turned into scapegoats for the ills of the world - Germany's defeat and the Soviet Revolution. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1194194/Has-historian-finally-real-reason-Hitlers-obsessive-hatred-Jews.html |
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Title: Re: Why? In 50 words or less Post by Spot of Borg on May 16th, 2012 at 7:55am
Because they were annoying
SOB |
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Title: Re: Why? In 50 words or less Post by NorthOfNorth on May 16th, 2012 at 1:08pm MOTR wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 7:48am:
Yes... The Kaiser's "enemy within". |
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Title: Re: Why? In 50 words or less Post by The tolerator on May 16th, 2012 at 1:13pm
The prominent role jews played in the bolshevik revolution had not escaped the attention of the germans.
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Title: Re: Why? In 50 words or less Post by NorthOfNorth on May 16th, 2012 at 1:16pm ... wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 1:13pm:
More urgent was that Germany in the late 20's / early 30s was on the verge of civil war with the socialists in the east threatening to divide Germany or overrun the west. National Socialism had its roots in the preservation of the German state. Jew-hate became a significant galvanising phenomenon when augmented by the memory of the Kaiser's abdication lament. |
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Title: Re: Why? In 50 words or less Post by Spot of Borg on May 16th, 2012 at 1:18pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 7:56pm:
Jews werent all hitler targetted though. SOB |
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Title: Re: Why? In 50 words or less Post by NorthOfNorth on May 16th, 2012 at 1:23pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 1:18pm:
No, they weren't. Slavs were considered scum... Along with Gypsies among others. |
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Title: Re: Why? In 50 words or less Post by muso on May 16th, 2012 at 2:03pm
There is also the issue of his biological grandfather Leopold Frankenberger, who came from a prominent Jewish family in Austria. His father Alois was probably the illegitimate son of Maria Schickelgruber by the young Leopold Frankenburger, while she was working as a maid in his father's house in Graz. She was subsequently fired by the Frankenburger family, and even sunned by her own family and left destitute.
Hitler's father was born Alois Schicklgruber, but when his mother Maria (Hitler's grandmother) eventually married Johann Georg Hiedler, Alois took on his name, which changed spelling somewhere along the line. Hitler's lawyer, Hans Frank was aware that some of Hitler's relatives were trying to blackmail him by threatening to reveal his Jewish ancestry. His lawyer made sure that history was officially changed to be more acceptable. So Alois Hiedler and his son Adolf Hitler narrowly escaped bearing the name of Schicklgruber, which means "sump digger" in the Waldviertel dialect. Of course, there is a certain amount of speculation in this account, because there are no extant records of Hitler's biological grandfather, like most other Jewish families following WWII. |
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Title: Re: Why? In 50 words or less Post by NorthOfNorth on May 16th, 2012 at 2:53pm muso wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 2:03pm:
185 Words. |
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Title: Re: Why? In 50 words or less Post by Morning Mist on May 16th, 2012 at 7:56pm
In regards to Hitler and the Jews it's bound up in the theory of "racial biology." Those descendant from the Germanic tribes were biologically superior because they were the "creators of culture," and the Jews were biologically inferior because they were the "destroyers of culture."
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Title: Re: Why? In 50 words or less Post by NorthOfNorth on May 16th, 2012 at 8:22pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 7:56pm:
It's easier than that. Hitler and the German military high command post WW1 believed the Jews to be a fifth column - just as the Kaiser had decreed at his abdication. For Germany to rise again - to match the British and the French in Empire - the enemies within, as they perceived them, had to be destroyed. |
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Title: Re: Why? In 50 words or less Post by Morning Mist on May 16th, 2012 at 9:35pm
I think it's a mixture of the two.
Racial biology was popular at the time. I think the hatred of the Jews came first and then the racial theory was added afterwards. Hitler goes into this and the "culture creating" and "culture destroying" stuff in Mein Kamf |
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Title: Re: Why? In 50 words or less Post by Soren on May 16th, 2012 at 11:02pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 8:22pm:
Within and without, because the enemy is 'rootless, cosmopolitan' (code for Jewish). |
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