The problem is that they are treating EVERYONE like a "problem gambler" and it isn't going to work anyway. Gamblers will just nominate a higher limit. It doesn't address the big money games like roulette and blackjack @ all. It inconveniences one-off gamblers. Its just a stupid idea.

Its coming up again.

SOB

Im about as anti pokies as you can get so I would just ban the bloody things.
That being impossible, $1 max bets will have to do.

adelcrow wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 3:50pm:

Im about as anti pokies as you can get so I would just ban the bloody things. That being impossible, $1 max bets will have to do.

Why are you so anti-pokies? Had a problem or someone close to you had a problem? My flatmate has a problem i think. So far he pays his rent though so i cant really say anything. Sometimes he will spend 12 hours @ the casino. If there was mandatory pre-commitment he would just commit to some really high number he would never reach anyway.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 3:55pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 14th, 2012 at 3:50pm: Im about as anti pokies as you can get so I would just ban the bloody things. That being impossible, $1 max bets will have to do. Why are you so anti-pokies? Had a problem or someone close to you had a problem? My flatmate has a problem i think. So far he pays his rent though so i cant really say anything. Sometimes he will spend 12 hours @ the casino. If there was mandatory pre-commitment he would just commit to some really high number he would never reach anyway. SOB

I know people that have had their lives ruined by the introduction of pokies in SA but apart from that they have stuffed many live music venues, pubs and sports clubs all over the country.
On top of that I cant see the point of the bloody things except to part people from their hard earned money as quickly as possible without providing anything in return.

The Greens and the ALP force Gambling, drugs, pornography ect on us to destroy our families, our people and our culture while they invade our country and sell it, then they have the gall to say "we" have a problem...the drug pusher says the adict has the problem...The Greens and ALP are lovely people aren't they...

corporate_whitey wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

The Greens and the ALP force Gambling, drugs, pornography ect on us to destroy our families, our people and our culture while they invade our country and sell it, then they have the gall to say "we" have a problem...the drug pusher says the adict has the problem...The Greens and ALP are lovely people aren't they...

Really mate? I thought it was obama that forced all this immorality on us poor aussies with his pro-gay stance.

SOB

how about seat belts and crash helmets.??

what about no phones whilst driving them...

what about no smoking,drinking,eating,walking on the grass,

gosh there is all sorts of things they can do.. to make life not worthwhile..

cods wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

how about seat belts and crash helmets.?? what about no phones whilst driving them... what about no smoking,drinking,eating,walking on the grass, gosh there is all sorts of things they can do.. to make life not worthwhile..

They are all separate issues

Why not bring back asbestos mining and thalidomide for morning sickness?

adelcrow wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 4:26pm:

cods wrote on May 14th, 2012 at 4:24pm: how about seat belts and crash helmets.?? what about no phones whilst driving them... what about no smoking,drinking,eating,walking on the grass, gosh there is all sorts of things they can do.. to make life not worthwhile.. They are all separate issues

dill I was referring them to being legislated to the pokermachines.. the more rules maybe will put people off... you have no sense of humour..



strewth!!!

adelcrow wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

Why not bring back asbestos mining and thalidomide for morning sickness?

would that work with poker machines???????DUH!

adelcrow wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

Why not bring back asbestos mining and thalidomide for morning sickness?

Well wouldn't have to worry about another generation of problem gamblers.

SOB

Condom machines, injection rooms and free Gunja in all primary schools?

They reckon counseling for gamblers is a waste of money. Dunno what they want to replace it with.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-14/counselling-for-gamblers-a-27waste-of-money27/4010122/?site=melbourne

SOB

Pokies have no upside, and plenty of downside.

Get rid of them.  WA gets along just fine without them.
Victoria used to as well.

It should be like WA....... no pokies or gambling in pubs and clubs. You have to go to the casino to have a night of gambling over there!!!

beware wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 5:24pm:

It should be like WA....... no pokies or gambling in pubs and clubs. You have to go to the casino to have a night of gambling over there!!!

Heh. I bet theres underground casinos. There used to be in QLD before it became legal.

SOB

The 12 billion dollars that goes into pokies comes out of the rest of the economy..that's 12 billion dollars a year that could be going into businesses that don't rely on addiction for their profits.

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 5:23pm:

Pokies have no upside, and plenty of downside. Get rid of them.  WA gets along just fine without them. Victoria used to as well.

you dont get it do you???


WA has a massive mining industry that will keep it rolling along just right for many moons to come..


these other STATES the ones with the gambling problems.. do not have that security blanket..

the govts are now addicted to gambling dollars.... boy they even love those $20million state lottos..

can you see the states living without this TAX?... can you really I notice no one ever tells them what to replace that TAX with...


are you guys prepared to pay lets say double your tax to keep the state running????...MMMMMMMMMMM..

I guess not..

you see we have opened Pandoras Box and to my knowledge  there is no closing it once opened..


good on WA lets hope they never have the scourge of pokermachines...


however it is still the person that plays them that is too blame at the end of the day..

we are all responsible for our actions I dont buy all this... its someone elses fault..sorry.

adelcrow wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 5:38pm:

The 12 billion dollars that goes into pokies comes out of the rest of the economy..that's 12 billion dollars a year that could be going into businesses that don't rely on addiction for their profits.

like where did you have in mind adel.. dont forget pokies are entertainment..

they are there.. lets just say there is a mint of things out there for the addict.. he chooses not to use them.. tough..

yes i do feel for their families.. but no more so than the alcoholics or drug addicts families..

its all cruel but as we know.. they can all get help.

I agree..no business should profit from addicts not just the poker machine industry.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 4:23pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on May 14th, 2012 at 4:19pm: The Greens and the ALP force Gambling, drugs, pornography ect on us to destroy our families, our people and our culture while they invade our country and sell it, then they have the gall to say "we" have a problem...the drug pusher says the adict has the problem...The Greens and ALP are lovely people aren't they... Really mate? I thought it was obama that forced all this immorality on us poor aussies with his pro-gay stance. SOB

Well mate...the democrats are the party of slavery and the Ku Klux Klan, not to mention the party of native reservations, treaty busting and alcohol distribution...these parties do know all about morally destroying people, cultures and families and nations whilst making themselves super rich...they just think we do not notice what they are doing and why...The Greens and the ALP don't like it when thier motives are bought under the micro scope.  They suddenly look anything but nice... :)

adelcrow wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 6:00pm:

I agree..no business should profit from addicts not just the poker machine industry.

Heh. Well. Goodbye soft drinks, cakes, biscuits, alcohol, prescription meds, internet, anything some ppl can get addicted to. Why should everyone cop it because some are addicts? Abbott reckons all those ppl getting the "bonus" are gunna put it in the pokies.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 6:51pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 14th, 2012 at 6:00pm: I agree..no business should profit from addicts not just the poker machine industry. Heh. Well. Goodbye soft drinks, cakes, biscuits, alcohol, prescription meds, internet, anything some ppl can get addicted to. Why should everyone cop it because some are addicts? Abbott reckons all those ppl getting the "bonus" are gunna put it in the pokies. SOB

You dont wanna get me started on junk food  :P

I have voted to make pokies illegal.

The pubs & clubs were better in the 80s when there were live bands.

Now they are full of people with long faces
who have lost too much money.

adelcrow wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 6:53pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 14th, 2012 at 6:51pm: adelcrow wrote on May 14th, 2012 at 6:00pm: I agree..no business should profit from addicts not just the poker machine industry. Heh. Well. Goodbye soft drinks, cakes, biscuits, alcohol, prescription meds, internet, anything some ppl can get addicted to. Why should everyone cop it because some are addicts? Abbott reckons all those ppl getting the "bonus" are gunna put it in the pokies. SOB You dont wanna get me started on junk food  :P

OH hell YES, go for it adel....

Bobby. wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 6:54pm:

I have voted to make pokies illegal. The pubs & clubs were better in the 80s when there were live bands. Now they are full of people with long faces who have lost too much money.

Nope bobby....
Move pokies out of pubs/nighclubs and put 'em back in RSL/Bowling clubs would be enough...

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 6:55pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 14th, 2012 at 6:53pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 14th, 2012 at 6:51pm: adelcrow wrote on May 14th, 2012 at 6:00pm: I agree..no business should profit from addicts not just the poker machine industry. Heh. Well. Goodbye soft drinks, cakes, biscuits, alcohol, prescription meds, internet, anything some ppl can get addicted to. Why should everyone cop it because some are addicts? Abbott reckons all those ppl getting the "bonus" are gunna put it in the pokies. SOB You dont wanna get me started on junk food  :P OH hell YES, go for it adel....

One soap box per session is enough  :D

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 6:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 14th, 2012 at 6:54pm: I have voted to make pokies illegal. The pubs & clubs were better in the 80s when there were live bands. Now they are full of people with long faces who have lost too much money. Nope bobby.... Move pokies out of pubs/nighclubs and put 'em back in RSL/Bowling clubs would be enough...

There are pokies in nightclubs? Geez - do ppl play them?

SOB

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 6:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 14th, 2012 at 6:54pm: I have voted to make pokies illegal. The pubs & clubs were better in the 80s when there were live bands. Now they are full of people with long faces who have lost too much money. Nope bobby.... Move pokies out of pubs/nighclubs and put 'em back in RSL/Bowling clubs would be enough...

No - just get rid of the evil machines.

put super glue down the coin slots :D LOL

The Greens and the ALP desperately want to portray them selves as nice people fighting the good fight - remember last week when they didn't give a rats 'rse what we thought - now reality is dawning they want to pretend they have a social conscience and all of the right motives.  But the truth is they are sick, they do awful things to people with their abuse of power, they destroy lives, families, cultures, communities, nations and they do it in a heartbeat without pausing for thought.   8-)

cods wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 5:55pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 14th, 2012 at 5:38pm: The 12 billion dollars that goes into pokies comes out of the rest of the economy..that's 12 billion dollars a year that could be going into businesses that don't rely on addiction for their profits. like where did you have in mind adel.. dont forget pokies are entertainment.. they are there.. lets just say there is a mint of things out there for the addict.. he chooses not to use them.. tough.. yes i do feel for their families.. but no more so than the alcoholics or drug addicts families.. its all cruel but as we know.. they can all get help.

cods... are you PRO-pokies??? it certainly sounds like it. For someone who has bitten the head off anyone over anythign relationed to children, I find it hard to reconcile that with your support of pokies. Sio I gues you go to the pokies then?

Pokies are useless.

The payout is only 89%.

The payout on roulette & blackjack is about  97%.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 6:59pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 14th, 2012 at 6:57pm: Bobby. wrote on May 14th, 2012 at 6:54pm: I have voted to make pokies illegal. The pubs & clubs were better in the 80s when there were live bands. Now they are full of people with long faces who have lost too much money. Nope bobby.... Move pokies out of pubs/nighclubs and put 'em back in RSL/Bowling clubs would be enough... There are pokies in nightclubs? Geez - do ppl play them? SOB

Yes, and yes they do...
most pubs and clubs (other than the RSL/Bowling clubs) have them in NSW....

Only fools play with poker machines.

You are playing against a computer chip that is programmed to take your money.

Legislate? how about educate on the stupidity of gambling against a machine that is designed to take your money.

Baronvonrort wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 11:06pm:

Only fools play with poker machines. You are playing against a computer chip that is programmed to take your money. Legislate? how about educate on the stupidity of gambling against a machine that is designed to take your money.

Sounds good but as is the norm with humans it won't work. You can explain what heroin does to you but people still use it, you can show what smoking does to you but people still smoke.

Article in todays news

Thing is there seems to be a kinda subliminal (for now) push to get rid of "counselors" in different fields.

SOB

The one arm bandits should be ban...but unfortunately there's too many people making a lot of money from it...the family's that are directly  devastated by this is mealy collateral damage to the power of the dollar.

 

metal_j wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 10:31am:

The one arm bandits should be ban...but unfortunately there's too many people making a lot of money from it...the family's that are directly  devastated by this is mealy collateral damage to the power of the dollar.

A lot of pubs would be out of business now if they didnt have any pokies apparently. Its where the bulk of their revenue comes from.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 10:57am:

metal_j wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:31am: The one arm bandits should be ban...but unfortunately there's too many people making a lot of money from it...the family's that are directly  devastated by this is mealy collateral damage to the power of the dollar.   A lot of pubs would be out of business now if they didnt have any pokies apparently. Its where the bulk of their revenue comes from. SOB

That's exactly my point...Do we take the moral high ground and help people / family's or let business prosper?

They seem to be bringing in the pre-commitment thing.;

SOB

apart from that they have stuffed many live music venues, pubs and sports clubs all over the country.


That is your claim, now where is the evidence?

A lot of pubs would be out of business now if they didnt have any pokies apparently. Its where the bulk of their revenue comes from.

SOB

Again, where is the evidence?

angeleyes wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 5:24pm:

A lot of pubs would be out of business now if they didnt have any pokies apparently. Its where the bulk of their revenue comes from. SOB Again, where is the evidence?

I said apparently because I am not sure the information is correct. My source was a publican. He told me that he couldn't compete with the other pubs in a small town where he was if he didnt get pokies. It is obviously true for some pubs.

SOB