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Title: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by imcrookonit on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:37am

LNP can't head off car premium, says minister
Nathan Paull
May 13, 2012

THE Queensland government has hit back at claims it has reneged on its word to freeze car registration fees. :-?

It was reported yesterday the state's Motor Accident Insurance Commission will announce an increase in compulsory third-party insurance premiums this week.

The increase - the first since 2009 - will mean motorists will pay more when doing their car registrations.

It comes after the Liberal National Party promised to freeze car registration costs for the next three years before it won the March 24 Queensland election.

But the Transport and Main Roads Minister, Scott Emerson, said the government would stick by its promise - freezing motor vehicle registration fees for three years from July 1.

The $48.85 traffic improvement component of the overall cost would also be frozen, he said in a statement. But Mr Emerson said the government had no say over the cost of third-party insurance premiums.

''The compulsory third-party premiums are set by insurers, not government, and within a range determined by the Motor Accident Insurance Commission,'' he said. ''We won't be using government revenue to fund insurance companies.''

The Opposition Leader, Annastacia Palaszczuk, said the LNP had promised to save families $15 to $20 a year and was trying to wriggle out of the commitment. :(

Ms Palaszczuk said the Premier, Campbell Newman, ''must admit to breaking a promise or to misleading voters at the state election''.

''Even when the promise was made, it soon became apparent that the freeze would apply only to family cars and not to motorcycles, utes or trucks,'' she said.

''Mr Newman's promise on car rego costs was always very rubbery and Queensland families will be disappointed to find out Mr Emerson has added another escape clause for the LNP.'' :(

AAP

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/lnp-cant-head-off-car-premium-says-minister-20120512-1yjz0.html#ixzz1uh3ICPbn

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by pansi1951 on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:54am

Qld deserves it, they voted for him.

Who would vote for a person that would increase their cost of living expenses unnecessarily?

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by progressiveslol on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:58am

How could anyone expect a government to halt insurance company pricing.

Any dummy would know that what the government controls is what can be halted.

Labor are dummies so would obviously beat this story up.

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:22am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

Qld deserves it, they voted for him.

Who would vote for a person that would increase their cost of living expenses unnecessarily?

Yeah, the QLD ALP is clutching at straws in a very clumsy attempt to undermine Newman. Newman is 100% right - they have frozen REGISTRATION fees for three years from July 1. That is all the government can control. INsurance is entirely out of the government's control. That this extremely simple fact escapes the Leftards shows just how little grasp on reality they have.

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by cods on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:36am

YEAH LIKE THOSE OTHER RUBBERY WORDS..

THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD...BY GUTLESS GILLARD....THE ASSASSIN..

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by glee on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:38am

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

Qld deserves it, they voted for him.

Who would vote for a person that would increase their cost of living expenses unnecessarily?

Perhaps Newman should have been more specific. Third party insurance is a compulsory part of car rego. I think most people would group the two together in the phrase "car registration costs".

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:40am

glee wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

Qld deserves it, they voted for him.

Who would vote for a person that would increase their cost of living expenses unnecessarily?

Perhaps Newman should have been more specific. Third party insurance is a compulsory part of car rego. I think most people would group the two together in the phrase "car registration costs".

I think most people with half a brain would know that when a government talks about freezing car registration fees the government is referring to fees it controls - namely the actual vehicle registration fee set by the government. Insurance is not set by the government. If you Leftards cannot comprehend that, then God help the lot of you.

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by glee on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:45am

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:40am:

glee wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

Qld deserves it, they voted for him.

Who would vote for a person that would increase their cost of living expenses unnecessarily?

Perhaps Newman should have been more specific. Third party insurance is a compulsory part of car rego. I think most people would group the two together in the phrase "car registration costs".

I understand it. I am just saying many might not. And I doubt they are mostly leftards considering Newman is now in power ;)

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by nairbe on May 13^th, 2012 at 1:22pm

glee wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:40am:

glee wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

Qld deserves it, they voted for him.

Who would vote for a person that would increase their cost of living expenses unnecessarily?

Perhaps Newman should have been more specific. Third party insurance is a compulsory part of car rego. I think most people would group the two together in the phrase "car registration costs".

I understand it. I am just saying many might not. And I doubt they are mostly leftards considering Newman is now in power ;)

Yes but this is politics and he said rego costs would freeze. Any increase no matter what the reason cause or context is an immediate default and now he is lying to get out of it. Just imposing the Abbott method to the subject.

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by MOTR on May 13^th, 2012 at 1:31pm

It's a bit rich to hold them accountable for rising insurance costs if the promise was to freeze registration fees. It looks like Labor is starting to feel the loss of talent up in Queensland.

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by angeleyes on May 13^th, 2012 at 1:33pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

Qld deserves it, they voted for him.

Who would vote for a person that would increase their cost of living expenses unnecessarily?

Best ask the 10% that voted for the greens.

Do you think they wouldn't rise under a labor government? If so you are as silly as people on here say you are.

I am reserving my judgement but it isn't looking to good for you.

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by MOTR on May 13^th, 2012 at 1:38pm

angeleyes wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

Qld deserves it, they voted for him.

Who would vote for a person that would increase their cost of living expenses unnecessarily?

It depends on whether you are looking for short term relief or long term solutions.

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 13^th, 2012 at 1:57pm

nairbe wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 1:22pm:

glee wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:40am:

glee wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

Qld deserves it, they voted for him.

Who would vote for a person that would increase their cost of living expenses unnecessarily?

Perhaps Newman should have been more specific. Third party insurance is a compulsory part of car rego. I think most people would group the two together in the phrase "car registration costs".

I understand it. I am just saying many might not. And I doubt they are mostly leftards considering Newman is now in power ;)

You just shot down your own argument in flames. Rego costs are not rising - they will freeze from July 1. Newman never said he'd freeze insurance costs as well, because he can't. There's no lie, no deception. There's only cry-baby Leftards not coping with the fact that Labor is dead in QLD.

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by angeleyes on May 13^th, 2012 at 2:02pm

Can't expect the left to understand to much AP.

Seven seats. I am still laughing about it.

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 13^th, 2012 at 2:04pm

angeleyes wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 2:02pm:

Can't expect the left to understand to much AP.

Seven seats. I am still laughing about it.

The members of the QLD ALP may earn some brownie points if they lease a Tarago collectively and share it, carpooling to work each day. After all, they'd all fit in nice and easily! After the federal election, I think all Labor will need is a unicycle!! ;D

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by nairbe on May 13^th, 2012 at 3:08pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 1:57pm:

nairbe wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 1:22pm:

glee wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:40am:

glee wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

Qld deserves it, they voted for him.

Who would vote for a person that would increase their cost of living expenses unnecessarily?

Perhaps Newman should have been more specific. Third party insurance is a compulsory part of car rego. I think most people would group the two together in the phrase "car registration costs".

I understand it. I am just saying many might not. And I doubt they are mostly leftards considering Newman is now in power ;)

I love the dim they are so funny. Any cost change not matter why or what is an increase to the rego costs of a vehicle. He lied about something he could not control and is now using detail to bullsh1t everyone. It will not stick anymore Abbott stuffed that for ever.

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by MOTR on May 13^th, 2012 at 3:22pm

Perhaps, did he intend to mislead?

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by nairbe on May 13^th, 2012 at 4:36pm

MOTR wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Perhaps, did he intend to mislead?

Take one look at him, listen to him speak then ask what is he? A politician!! and you ask did he mean to mislead ;D ;D

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 13^th, 2012 at 5:08pm

nairbe wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 3:08pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 1:57pm:

nairbe wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 1:22pm:

glee wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:40am:

glee wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

Qld deserves it, they voted for him.

Who would vote for a person that would increase their cost of living expenses unnecessarily?

Perhaps Newman should have been more specific. Third party insurance is a compulsory part of car rego. I think most people would group the two together in the phrase "car registration costs".

I understand it. I am just saying many might not. And I doubt they are mostly leftards considering Newman is now in power ;)

You're more full of sh!t than a bag of horse manure. Newman said his government would freeze REGISTRATION COSTS. He did not say his government would freeze INSURANCE as well because no government can. I know you're dumber than wood, but WOW! Get help urgently!

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by nairbe on May 13^th, 2012 at 6:21pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

nairbe wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 3:08pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 1:57pm:

nairbe wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 1:22pm:

glee wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:40am:

glee wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

Qld deserves it, they voted for him.

Who would vote for a person that would increase their cost of living expenses unnecessarily?

Perhaps Newman should have been more specific. Third party insurance is a compulsory part of car rego. I think most people would group the two together in the phrase "car registration costs".

I understand it. I am just saying many might not. And I doubt they are mostly leftards considering Newman is now in power ;)

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God you are so funny with the big font and silly colours because you can not get that this is the very crap you loops carry on with all the time. It's detail dopey, he said no rise he did not say no rise except the insurance factor of the cost. dim :D :D :D :D :D OH and i am poking fun at you. :P :P :P :P

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by Verge on May 13^th, 2012 at 6:49pm

Best some learn the difference between insurance and registration. You wouldn't think it would be so difficult to understand but I appear corrected

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by scope on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:24pm

nairbe wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 6:21pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

nairbe wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 3:08pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 1:57pm:

nairbe wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 1:22pm:

glee wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:40am:

glee wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

Qld deserves it, they voted for him.

Who would vote for a person that would increase their cost of living expenses unnecessarily?

Perhaps Newman should have been more specific. Third party insurance is a compulsory part of car rego. I think most people would group the two together in the phrase "car registration costs".

I understand it. I am just saying many might not. And I doubt they are mostly leftards considering Newman is now in power ;)

Campbell Newman by using the word COSTS ie plural
in his promise, has implied all the cost's involved in car rego,
Not just the Gov rego part.

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:25pm

nairbe wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 6:21pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

nairbe wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 3:08pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 1:57pm:

nairbe wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 1:22pm:

glee wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:40am:

glee wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

Qld deserves it, they voted for him.

Who would vote for a person that would increase their cost of living expenses unnecessarily?

Perhaps Newman should have been more specific. Third party insurance is a compulsory part of car rego. I think most people would group the two together in the phrase "car registration costs".

I understand it. I am just saying many might not. And I doubt they are mostly leftards considering Newman is now in power ;)

Obviously you can't handle the fact that Labor is out of power in almost every state and soon to be federally as well. Poor petal! :)

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by Dnarever on May 13^th, 2012 at 10:21pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:40am:

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2012/04/05/320621_news.html

Quote:

QUEENSLAND treasurer Tim Nicholls says the state will not sign up to the federal government's current model of the National Injury Insurance Scheme (NIIS), which could push up car registration by up to $100.

The Liberal National Party (LNP) had promised during the election to freeze car registration but that pledge is now under assault by the proposed NIIS.

Mr Nicholls said the federal government wants the states to help fund the NIIS, which intends to cover the lifetime care and support needs for all people who experience catastrophic injury.

He said the plan would increase the compulsory third party insurance (CTP) costs on Queensland registration up by between $80 and $100.

Mr Nicholls said Queensland will not agree and will ask the federal government to reconsider how it funds the scheme.

"We won't agree to do it in this way ... if it means increasing car registrations and CTP because we have promised to freeze them," Mr Nicholls told AAP.....

Here is the QLD Liberal Treasurer saying that the commitment was to maintain the cost of rego + Insurance.

I think most people with half a brain would know that

Whoopsy The Qld Treasurer lacks 50% of a brain according to AP?

Like most Liberals they think they can have it both ways.

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by progressiveslol on May 14^th, 2012 at 12:18am

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

nairbe wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 3:08pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 1:57pm:

nairbe wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 1:22pm:

glee wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:40am:

glee wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

Qld deserves it, they voted for him.

Who would vote for a person that would increase their cost of living expenses unnecessarily?

Perhaps Newman should have been more specific. Third party insurance is a compulsory part of car rego. I think most people would group the two together in the phrase "car registration costs".

I understand it. I am just saying many might not. And I doubt they are mostly leftards considering Newman is now in power ;)

I think you and Newman are forgetting that there are dummies on the left that have a complete different logic on most things in life and especially dictatorship.

They would automatically assume that all things are up for control. There is nothing the commies cant dictate in their minds.

You may have to agree to disagree, or go mad.

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by progressiveslol on May 14^th, 2012 at 12:26am

Dnarever wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 10:21pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:40am:

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2012/04/05/320621_news.html

Quote:

See what I mean about the logic.

The article says :
"The Liberal National Party (LNP) had promised during the election to freeze car registration but that pledge is now under assault by the proposed NIIS. "

Does not say CTP or insurance of any kind.

the rest of the article talks about not agreeing to a scheme that could push up insurance cost by blah blah.

So what we have is, freeze rego and not agree to something that would push up the cost of insurance.

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by MOTR on May 14^th, 2012 at 1:19am

To most of us, progs, "them" means plural. It seems the promise extended to the whole cost of the registration. It now makes some sense that Labor has jumped on the rising cost of insurance. The author of the article also seems convinced compulsory third party insurance was part of the pledge. My apologies to the Labor leader, it seems quite a few people were given the "wrong" impression.

Quote:

[Greg Milne from the Motor Trades Association of Queensland said the State Government should absorb any increase in CTP so there was a "true freeze on registration fees".

"We would say there's an expectation among motorists that they won't be paying any more for their car registration because of the commitment made by the LNP during the election campaign," he said.

"Any increase to registration fees will just confirm that politicians are playing word games again."

For those of us who live outside Queensland, this might help explain why Queenslanders have this expectation.

Quote:

Where QLD differs from NSW, and perhaps other states, is that we receive a registration renewal notice that is inclusive of CTP. We do not have to obtain a green slip or equivalent in addition to paying the registration levy. Due to the one stop shop nature of registration in QLD, it's my contention that most motorists would expect that a freeze on registration would mean a total freeze on all compulsory components of registration (rightly or wrongly). This is especially true when comments such as those made by the Transport Minister, which are ambiguous at best, are taken into account.

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by Dnarever on May 14^th, 2012 at 1:22am

progressiveslol wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 12:26am:

Dnarever wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 10:21pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:40am:

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2012/04/05/320621_news.html

Quote:

if it means increasing car registrations and CTP because we have promised to freeze them," Mr Nicholls told AAP.....[/quote]

THe Liberal Treasurer of QLD does not agree with you.

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by MOTR on May 14^th, 2012 at 1:50am

Here is Scott Emerson's problem. Before the election he wanted to make Labor accountable for the whole cost of registering a car, which he promised to freeze. This is from his web page.

http://www.scottemerson.com.au/Page-5.html

Quote:

“Under Campbell Newman, an LNP Government will freeze family car registration for its first term to help Queenslanders deal with a squeeze on their income.

“It’s time to slam the handbrake on massive increases for everyday essentials,” he said.

Since 2008, the cost to register an average family car has risen by 32 per cent. It will now cost the average family $805.30 to register a six-cylinder family sedan.

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 14^th, 2012 at 7:04am

Dnarever wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 10:21pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:40am:

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2012/04/05/320621_news.html

Quote:

As usual, you skew the facts to suit your point of view. The issue of the pre-election promise to freeze rego fees and the NIIS are completely separate. The Newman govt has promised to freeze rego fees and delivered on that promise as of July 1. The issue of the NIIS was that QLD could not agree to it in its current form as it would increase the cost of rego's and CTP's. How is the Newman govt's stance anything but positive for QLD voters?

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by buzzanddidj on May 14^th, 2012 at 1:31pm

Quote:

Campbell Newman and the LNP have an Action Plan to:

2.

Lower the Cost of Living for Families by Cutting Waste. We will freeze family car rego for the first term of an LNP Government, reduce water prices and reform electricity taiffs to save you up to $330 a year.

http://lnp.org.au/policies/lower-the-cost-of-living-by-cutting-waste

FOR the first term
Not IN the first term

Title: Re: The Liberal Promise Was Always Very Rubbery.
Post by adelcrow on May 14^th, 2012 at 1:35pm

buzzanddidj wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 1:31pm:

Quote:

http://lnp.org.au/policies/lower-the-cost-of-living-by-cutting-waste

FOR the first term
Not IN the first term

What happens everytime a new govt freezes price increases?
They go up double next time they are increased so i hope Mr Newman has a good spin doctor to explain the huge price increases in 2 years time.