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Title: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:29pm

A sixth people smuggling boat has been intercepted this week by the Navy carrying 84 people. At this rate, Gillard will be kicking ordinary Aussies out of their own homes to accomodate these country-shopping illegal immigrants! Both Gillard and Bowen must hang their heads in shame over their complete failure to secure our borders. One must wonder when will Labor wake up and realise that:

(a) The Labor Party created this mess
(b) There is no one to blame for this mess other than themselves
(c) The only option available to them is to resurrect the Pacific Solution in order to smash the business model of people smugglers

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/navy-intercepts-sixth-boat-in-a-week/story-e6freuy9-1226353597174

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Spot of Borg on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:31pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

But the pacific solution didnt work did it?

Do you call them illegal immigrants just to piss uncle meat off?

SOB

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:33pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

But the pacific solution didnt work did it?

Do you call them illegal immigrants just to piss uncle meat off?

SOB

By what measure can the Pacific Solution ever be considered a failure? It stopped the boats - period. Just six illegal immigrants in detention when Rudd won office. Since then, more than 17,000 on more than 300 boats have arrived.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Spot of Borg on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:35pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

But the pacific solution didnt work did it?

Do you call them illegal immigrants just to piss uncle meat off?

SOB

Heh I will let someone else answer that because I was actually asking not arguing.

SOB

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by GoddyofOz on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:41pm

Whenever the Daily Telegraph is in need of a Sensationalist headline, I'll surely throw you a reference, Armchair.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by MOTR on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:47pm

http://www.liberal.org.au/Latest-News/2012/02/18/Labor-loses-control-of-our-borders-and-themselves-as-another-illegal-boat-arrives.aspx

Usual Liberal party hyperbole.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by PoliticalPuppet on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:48pm

Oh no the very structure of our society is going to collapse, a society built by immigrants.
Goes to show that immigrants offer no benefit.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Baronvonrort on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:15pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

But the pacific solution didnt work did it?

SOB

There were 4 boat people in detention when labor dismantled the policy that stopped the boats.

The detention centre statistics prove it worked yet the ignorant leftists ignore these facts as there were less than 500 people in detention from January 06 to January 09 compared to the 6000+ we have today.

http://www.immi.gov.au/managing-australias-borders/detention/_pdf/immigration-detention-statistics-20120331.pdf

Labor created this billion dollar a year debacle and they cannot fix it because the Greens want an open border policy which is exactly what we have.

Title: Re Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by corporate_whitey on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:17pm

The Government has not only lost control of the borders, this is a country under hostile Invasion and occupation. The native born people of this nation are betrayed by its Government and big business. 8-)

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Greens_Win on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:26pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

But the pacific solution didnt work did it?

SOB

Push Factors create Boat Refugees

Push Factors Like The Coalition's Illegal Invasion and the Defeated USA Foreign Policy In Afghanistan.

About time hard righters took responsibility for the consequences of their actions.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by adelcrow on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:32pm

180,000 migrants a year and 17,000 boat people in 5 years...big friggin whoop

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by corporate_whitey on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:33pm

Ask the Greens why they are so active fighting for Euthanasia and birth control in the Northern Territory, involved in mining industry and supportive of the racist intervention against the Aboriginal people. This matters to all Australians and speaks to the security of all native born people of Australia. 8-)

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Greens_Win on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:50pm

corporate_whitey wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:33pm:

Perhaps you could direct you enquiry to last election's NT Greens Senate.

Warren H Williams launches his NT Greens Senate campaign
15 Jul 2010 | General
Respected Central Australian Aboriginal musician Warren H. Williams will today officially launch his campaign as the Greens Senate candidate for the Northern Territory.

Warren H was born at the remote community of Hermannsburg, west of Alice Springs, and is a proud Arrente man who wants to make a difference to his community.

Australian Greens Senator Scott Ludlam will help launch the campaign at an event at CAAMA studios, where Warren presents a popular national music program.

"Warren is a great candidate offering Territorians a real alternative," said Senator Ludlam.

"I know from my own experience in the fight against Commonwealth plans to impose a radioactive waste dump on locals, the level of disenchantment with the major parties.

"Labor and the Coalition have continually ripped off the Territory and taken it for granted for far too long.

"Now locals have a real choice and I encourage people to come along and hear Warren's vision for the Territory," Senator Ludlam said.

http://greensmps.org.au/content/media-releases/warren-h-williams-launches-his-nt-greens-senate-campaign

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe's_Law

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by corporate_whitey on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:55pm

Racist tokenism and semantics does not change or make the questions mounting about the Greens nefarious activities in the Northern Territory and their subversion of our borders and who they serve. 8-)

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by corporate_whitey on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:56pm

Shall we remind to the Greens the Charter regarding the human rights of indigenous peoples which they seem so keen to ignore? 8-)

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Baronvonrort on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:58pm

adelcrow wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:32pm:

180,000 migrants a year and 17,000 boat people in 5 years...big friggin whoop

The 17,000 boat people are costing us a billion dollars per year.

83.5% of them are still on welfare up to 5 years after arriving,we cant do longer term studies because therte were only 4 boat people in detention when labor created this billion dollar per year debacle.

These migrants if they are not citizens they pay a higher tax rate compared to Australians.

Typical of the leftards to say big whoop over a billion dollar per year debacle they created.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Baronvonrort on May 12^th, 2012 at 3:07pm

____ wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:26pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

But the pacific solution didnt work did it?

SOB

Push factors is bullshit pull factor from the leftists ,click on the detention statistics

Iran- who are they at war with?
Indonesia- who are they at war with, we give them foreign aid
Pakistan - who are they at war with
Sri Lanka- who are they at war with
China- who are they at war with
Vietnam- who are they at war with
Burma- who are they at war with
Malaysia - who are they at war with
What are the push factors for these people you pullcock?

About time the leftists took responsibility for their billion dollar a year debacle.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by nairbe on May 12^th, 2012 at 3:39pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 3:07pm:

____ wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:26pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

But the pacific solution didnt work did it?

SOB

Interesting numbers. Iran, China, Burma, are all governments that we recognise as oppressive, being from these countries carries an understanding of refugee. Sri Lanka are just recovering from a very long and vicious civil war, Afghanistan are at war as for all intensive purposes is Pakistan. As for the rest it is a good question but the numbers are very small and the report does not identify by which method each demographic arrived. Many of the Indo and Malay men were probably crew on boats.

Not sure of the exact number of over stayers but it is up around the 16 000 mark annually. Some of these are also in detention. You also miss that the numbers are small and though with the current state of affairs where Abbott has betrayed the country and his core beliefs to make a political point may be making the trip a bit more attractive this is not the main cause and the usual ignorance and fear is the driver of such opinion. OH and the bitterness of the loops on the right.

" The number of unauthorised boat arrivals to Australia follows global trends.? In 2001 and 2002, for example, Australia experienced a peak in the number of boat arrivals (more than 5,500 in 2001 and almost 3000 in 2002) as did most of the rest of the world.? Then from 2003, global asylum numbers dropped as the level of global conflict dropped.? But over the last two years, global asylum seeker numbers have increased again.? When comparing 2008 figures with 2007, for example, asylum seeker numbers rose by 122% in Italy, 121% in Norway, 89% in the Netherlands, 70% in Turkey, 53% in Switzerland, 30% in Canada and 20% in France, according to a 2009 UNHCR report.? Yet in the same period, Australia saw only a 19% increase"

http://www.ajustaustralia.com/informationandresources_factsandstatistics.php
http://www.asrc.org.au/media/documents/myths-facts-solutions-summary-sheet.pdf

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Uncle Meat on May 12^th, 2012 at 3:44pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

At this rate, Gillard will be kicking ordinary Aussies out of their own homes to accomodate these country-shopping illegal immigrants.

Boat people seeking asylum are not illegal immigrants.

If you want to start threads like this, that's fine. Howevever, stick to the facts.

Boat people seeking asylum are not illegal immigrants.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by corporate_whitey on May 12^th, 2012 at 3:52pm

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 3:44pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

At this rate, Gillard will be kicking ordinary Aussies out of their own homes to accomodate these country-shopping illegal immigrants.

Boat people seeking asylum are not illegal immigrants.

If you want to start threads like this, that's fine. Howevever, stick to the facts.

Boat people seeking asylum are not illegal immigrants.

They are if the Native born people are occupied, have lost control of there own borders and are under invasion...thats a game changer. Invasion was wrong 200 years ago and its still wrong. Stop the invasion of Aboriginal lands. 8-)

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Uncle Meat on May 12^th, 2012 at 3:58pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:58pm:

Typical of the leftards to say big whoop over a billion dollar per year debacle they created.

Boat people, i.e. legal asylum seekers, form part of Australia's humanitarian immigration program.

I certainly don't see humanitarianism as a "debacle".

Anyone who does, has some serious issues.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by MOTR on May 12^th, 2012 at 4:22pm

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 3:58pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:58pm:

Typical of the leftards to say big whoop over a billion dollar per year debacle they created.

Boat people, i.e. legal asylum seekers, form part of Australia's humanitarian immigration program.

I certainly don't see humanitarianism as a "debacle".

Anyone who does, has some serious issues.

I think you're seriously overestimating them, Uncle Meat. I think if you even know the word humanitarianism you're considered one of those noxious bleeding hearts.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by corporate_whitey on May 12^th, 2012 at 4:32pm

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 4:22pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 3:58pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:58pm:

Typical of the leftards to say big whoop over a billion dollar per year debacle they created.

Boat people, i.e. legal asylum seekers, form part of Australia's humanitarian immigration program.

I certainly don't see humanitarianism as a "debacle".

Anyone who does, has some serious issues.

I think you're seriously overestimating them, Uncle Meat. I think if you even know the word humanitarianism you're considered one of those noxious bleeding hearts.

No doubt you profit handsomely from invasion and it suits you to cloke evil in flowery platitudes. 8-)

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Greens_Win on May 12^th, 2012 at 4:47pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 3:07pm:

____ wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:26pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

But the pacific solution didnt work did it?

SOB

Now the people from two countries you left of your list

Iraq
Afghanistan

The coalition caused these push factors and so must take responsibility for the consequences of their action.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by cods on May 12^th, 2012 at 5:18pm

I said all along since the daft MALAYSIAN DEAL went belly up..

they boats will come thick and fast with double and more than they carried before..she has opened a hornets nest...

TOLD YA SO... TOLD YA SO

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by MOTR on May 12^th, 2012 at 5:22pm

cods wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 5:18pm:

Looks like Tony isn't the only happy camper.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 12^th, 2012 at 5:22pm

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

http://www.liberal.org.au/Latest-News/2012/02/18/Labor-loses-control-of-our-borders-and-themselves-as-another-illegal-boat-arrives.aspx

Usual Liberal party hyperbole.

For you Gillard-followers, that is pronounced "hyper-bow-lay", not as Gillard has said it - "hyper-bowl". :D

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 12^th, 2012 at 5:23pm

____ wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:26pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

But the pacific solution didnt work did it?

SOB

Doesn't matter what push factors exist. If you don't have competent policy, you can't secure the border, as we have seen with Labor's failed, illegal, incompetent policies.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by corporate_whitey on May 12^th, 2012 at 5:33pm

____ wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 4:47pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 3:07pm:

____ wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:26pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

But the pacific solution didnt work did it?

SOB

Now the people from two countries you left of your list

Iraq
Afghanistan

The coalition caused these push factors and so must take responsibility for the consequences of their action.

Hang on I never caused those push factors, nor did the Aboriginals. You Greens caused those push factors with your meddling and interventionism - dont take my country off me for something you did. 8-)

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 12^th, 2012 at 5:44pm

Labor really is quite unbelievable on this issue...

Immigration Minister Chris Bowen said this was a consequence of the coalition's refusal to act in the national interest and work with the government to implement offshore processing.

"Late last year, the government approached the opposition in good faith to sit down and discuss what we could do to prevent people from risking their lives at sea," Mr Bowen said.

Labor certainly did not negotiate in "good faith". Gillard did agree offshore processing was required, however the caveat was that the policy would be Malaysia or nothing. That is not a negotiation - it's an ultimatum and a poor one at that because it's the job of Gillard and Bowen to put forward competent policies, not Abbott. The deal with Malaysia was subsequently ruled illegal and even before that ruling by the full bench of the High Court, Abbott refused to support it - with good reason.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by corporate_whitey on May 12^th, 2012 at 5:50pm

Securing the borders of the nation is the Governments responsibility and they have all the power and mandate they need to protect the citizens of this country from invasion. 8-)

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Uncle Meat on May 12^th, 2012 at 7:32pm

corporate_whitey wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 4:32pm:

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 4:22pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 3:58pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:58pm:

Typical of the leftards to say big whoop over a billion dollar per year debacle they created.

Boat people, i.e. legal asylum seekers, form part of Australia's humanitarian immigration program.

I certainly don't see humanitarianism as a "debacle".

Anyone who does, has some serious issues.

I think you're seriously overestimating them, Uncle Meat. I think if you even know the word humanitarianism you're considered one of those noxious bleeding hearts.

No doubt you profit handsomely from invasion and it suits you to cloke evil in flowery platitudes. 8-)

It seems you don't understand what immigration is.

Immigration is not "invasion".

Boat people (legal asylum seekers) form part of Australia's humanitarian program, within the immigration system.

These people are welcomed by Australia, thus your mention of "invasion" really is quite preposterous.

I'm guessing Andrew Bolt is the one causing you confusion.

Stay away from Bolty and talk-back radio and you might actually learn something useful.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 12^th, 2012 at 7:51pm

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 4:32pm:

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 4:22pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 3:58pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:58pm:

Typical of the leftards to say big whoop over a billion dollar per year debacle they created.

Boat people, i.e. legal asylum seekers, form part of Australia's humanitarian immigration program.

I certainly don't see humanitarianism as a "debacle".

Anyone who does, has some serious issues.

I think you're seriously overestimating them, Uncle Meat. I think if you even know the word humanitarianism you're considered one of those noxious bleeding hearts.

No doubt you profit handsomely from invasion and it suits you to cloke evil in flowery platitudes. 8-)

Actually, they aren't part of our immigration program. The people that ARE part of our humanitarian/immigration program have applied through the proper channels and more often than not they will lose their spot to a queue-jumping illegal immigrant who arrives onboard a people smuggling boat. Why do REAL asylum seekers miss out? Because this country has a quota that sets how many people we will take in during a given year. Your arguments, as laid out in your post, show a breathtaking lack of understanding of this issue - the kind of Michael Moore, 6th-grade logic that got us into this mess in the first place!

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by corporate_whitey on May 12^th, 2012 at 7:52pm

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 7:32pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 4:32pm:

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 4:22pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 3:58pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:58pm:

Typical of the leftards to say big whoop over a billion dollar per year debacle they created.

Boat people, i.e. legal asylum seekers, form part of Australia's humanitarian immigration program.

I certainly don't see humanitarianism as a "debacle".

Anyone who does, has some serious issues.

I think you're seriously overestimating them, Uncle Meat. I think if you even know the word humanitarianism you're considered one of those noxious bleeding hearts.

No doubt you profit handsomely from invasion and it suits you to cloke evil in flowery platitudes. 8-)

Immigration is one thing, border subversion and invasion is another. What we have is invasion and what we have is invaders making themselves welcome, not being welcomed. This is a forced invasion we have no choice in. 8-)

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 12^th, 2012 at 7:53pm

By the way, Uncle Meat, these country-shopping, queue-jumping illegal immigrants are NOT welcome in this country. Why do you think Labor said prior to the last election they would stop the boats? If they were welcome, wouldn't they have said they'd assist the boats?

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:00pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

But the pacific solution didnt work did it?

SOB

*sigh* It'd be nice if people posting charts here could actually understand what it is they are posting up.

See your chart there rorty? See how in 1992 mandatory detention started? What happened between 1992 and 2001? We went from SFA to over 5,500 per year. Are you saying mandatory detention attracted refugees? You better explain to us how that works in your alternate reality.

When you finish explaining that one then please explain this one:

You will notice how asylum seeker numbers 2000-2010 dropped right across the OECD at around the same time that they dropped in Australia. YOU claim that Australia's drop in numbers was due to the Pacific Solution. Explain to me how the Pacific Solution reduced asylum seeker numbers across the OECD.

If you can't then the Pacific Solution wasn't the cause of Australia's drop in numbers any more than for the OECD. So the Pacific Solution did nothing except move a LOT of money from Australia to Nauru for no good reason.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Uncle Meat on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:06pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 7:51pm:

Actually, they aren't part of our immigration program. !

100% incorrect.

Would you like to try again?

Boat people, seeking asylum, form part of the Immigration Department's humanitarian program.

Furthermore, they are going through the proper channels.

You really should learn something about Australia's immigration program before you make these ridiculous posts.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by MOTR on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:06pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

Last year the majority of Australians wanted boat people processed onshore. The relentless propaganda against boat people, including the deliberate ploy of labeling them illegals, might have changed our perceptions somewhat, but we as a whole are a nobler people than you suggest.

Quote:

A MAJORITY of voters believe asylum seekers should be processed onshore, defying the policies of the government and the opposition which are fighting over which offshore destination to send boat arrivals.

The latest Herald/Nielsen poll finds 54 per cent of voters believe asylum seekers arriving by boat should be allowed to land in Australia to be assessed.

Just 25 per cent say they should be sent to another country to be assessed while 16 per cent believe the boats should be ''sent back'' and 4 per cent don't know.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Uncle Meat on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:09pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

By the way, Uncle Meat, these country-shopping, queue-jumping illegal immigrants ...

They are not queue jumpers. People don't join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

And, they are not illegal immigrants. Not sure why you don't understand these facts.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by corporate_whitey on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:10pm

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

By the way, Uncle Meat, these country-shopping, queue-jumping illegal immigrants ...

They are not queue jumpers. People don't join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

And, they are not illegal immigrants. Not sure why you don't understand these facts.

They are invaders, you do not speak for the native born people of this land, only for the invaders. 8-)

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Uncle Meat on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:12pm

corporate_whitey wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 7:52pm:

Incorrect.

Boat people, arriving unannounced, form part of Australia's immigration program.

All perfectly legal, and certainly not an invasion.

Furthermore, the 1951 UN Convention and the 1948 Declaration of Human Rights ensures that they are welcome.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:13pm

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

By the way, Uncle Meat, these country-shopping, queue-jumping illegal immigrants ...

They are not queue jumpers. People don't join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

And, they are not illegal immigrants. Not sure why you don't understand these facts.

Partially correct - THOSE people don't. It's the poor souls who apply through the proper channels who are in queue and usually miss out to those who come by boat. You have a serious inability to sort fact from fiction. But that's what one would expect from a Leftard, so I guess we can't hold it against you and will continue to right your wrongs for you.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Uncle Meat on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:14pm

corporate_whitey wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:10pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

By the way, Uncle Meat, these country-shopping, queue-jumping illegal immigrants ...

They are not queue jumpers. People don't join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

And, they are not illegal immigrants. Not sure why you don't understand these facts.

They are invaders, you do not speak for the native born people of this land, only for the invaders. 8-)

No, they are asylum seekers.

I suggest you buy either a dictionary, or an education.

Whichever one you choose, please make it fast.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Uncle Meat on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:16pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

By the way, Uncle Meat, these country-shopping, queue-jumping illegal immigrants ...

They are not queue jumpers. People don't join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

And, they are not illegal immigrants. Not sure why you don't understand these facts.

One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

Your inability to understand this simple fact is quite astonishing.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:17pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

Show me. Where does one apply? I want to see the forms that need to be filled. I want to see the desk where I join the queue. Where are they? Can you show them to me? Perhaps a list of people who are in this queue. Can you show me that?

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:18pm

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:16pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

By the way, Uncle Meat, these country-shopping, queue-jumping illegal immigrants ...

They are not queue jumpers. People don't join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

And, they are not illegal immigrants. Not sure why you don't understand these facts.

One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

Your inability to understand this simple fact is quite astonishing.

You're a fool. :D

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:19pm

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:17pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

You're a fool too.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Dnarever on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:20pm

Re: Labor has lost control of our borders

None of them get anywhere near our boarder.

In my view boarder protection is not about keeping legitimate refugees out.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:23pm

Dnarever wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:20pm:

Re: Labor has lost control of our borders

None of them get anywhere near our boarder.

In my view boarder protection is not about keeping legitimate refugees out.

I agree - it's about an orderly process allowing the authorities to decide who is granted asylum and who is not. It's not about having hundreds of people come by the boat load, burn detention centres, assault staff and generaly have a hissy-fit that makes my 2 year old son's tantrums look lame all because they are either refused asylum or their application is taking too long to be determined as far as they are concerned.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:23pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:19pm:

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:17pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

You're a fool too.

Ah, the white flag of the bigot. Your unconditional surrender is accepted.

Go, and be thou not stoopid forthwith. >:(

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by MOTR on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:24pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:18pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:16pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

By the way, Uncle Meat, these country-shopping, queue-jumping illegal immigrants ...

They are not queue jumpers. People don't join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

And, they are not illegal immigrants. Not sure why you don't understand these facts.

One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

Your inability to understand this simple fact is quite astonishing.

You're a fool. :D

This was discussed to death in another thread, you obviously weren't listening. The onshore program is run independently of the offshore program. There is no queue.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Uncle Meat on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:25pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 7:51pm:

Actually, they aren't part of our immigration program.

Seriously, where are you getting your information from?

"During 2009-10, Australia passed the 750,000 mark in its intake of refugees and humanitarian entrants since nationhood.

"The 13,770 refugee and humanitarian visas issued in 2009-10 were divided between 9,236 offshore refugee and humanitarian visas (the lowest number in eight years) and 4,534 onshore visas (the second highest on record). These included 2,156 onshore visas granted to asylum seekers who entered Australia by boat. "

http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/resources/intakesub/2011-12_IntakeSub.pdf

"Humanitarian Program

"The Humanitarian Program has two important functions:

"the onshore protection/asylum component fulfils Australia's international obligations by offering protection to people already in Australia who are found to be refugees according to the Refugees Convention

"the offshore resettlement component expresses Australia's commitment to refugee protection by going beyond these obligations and offering resettlement to people overseas for whom this is the most appropriate option."

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/60refugee.htm#b

As I said: Boat people, seeking asylum, form part of the Immigration Department's humanitarian program.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:25pm

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:18pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:16pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

By the way, Uncle Meat, these country-shopping, queue-jumping illegal immigrants ...

They are not queue jumpers. People don't join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

And, they are not illegal immigrants. Not sure why you don't understand these facts.

One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

Your inability to understand this simple fact is quite astonishing.

You're a fool. :D

This was discussed to death in another thread, you obviously weren't listening. The onshore program is run independently of the offshore program. There is no queue.

Really? I guess you haven't been to Indonesia recently.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by MOTR on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:27pm

The number of asylum seekers we accept from Indonesia is independent of the number of boat people processed onshore. Do you get that.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:27pm

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:23pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:19pm:

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:17pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

You're a fool too.

Ah, the white flag of the bigot. Your unconditional surrender is accepted.

Go, and be thou not stoopid forthwith. >:(

No, not a surrender. I just have better things to do than to argue with a quarter-wit who has no comprehension of the difference between fact and fiction. I bet you still think Gillard didn't lie about the carbon tax. You poor, poor fool. Don't worry - you'll be put out of your misery soon enough when Tony Abbott becomes our PM! :)

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:28pm

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

The number of asylum seekers we accept from Indonesia is independent of the number of boat people processed onshore. Do you get that.

You mean the people queueing up to hop on a people smugglers' boat???

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Uncle Meat on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:28pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:18pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:16pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

By the way, Uncle Meat, these country-shopping, queue-jumping illegal immigrants ...

They are not queue jumpers. People don't join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

And, they are not illegal immigrants. Not sure why you don't understand these facts.

One does not join a queue in order to become an asylum seeker.

Your inability to understand this simple fact is quite astonishing.

You're a fool. :D

White flag accepted.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by angeleyes on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:31pm

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

The number of asylum seekers we accept from Indonesia is independent of the number of boat people processed onshore. Do you get that.

If we have 6,000 illegal boat people in a year that is 6,000 less GENUINE refugees we take.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Uncle Meat on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:32pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:23pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:19pm:

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:17pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

You're a fool too.

Ah, the white flag of the bigot. Your unconditional surrender is accepted.

Go, and be thou not stoopid forthwith. >:(

So far, you've provided no evidence.

I've provided quite a bit.

Let's not change topics (nice try with the carbon tax) and instead, let's see some evidence from you.

We're all waiting ...

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:32pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

What the ...?? CARBON tax? What has the carbon tax got to do with asylum seekers? Are you turning into cods that thinks bleating about the carbon tax is the answer to every question?

I told you to be not stoopid. You're in danger of breaking the terms of the surrender y'know.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Uncle Meat on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:33pm

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:31pm:

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

The number of asylum seekers we accept from Indonesia is independent of the number of boat people processed onshore. Do you get that.

If we have 6,000 illegal boat people in a year that is 6,000 less GENUINE refugees we take.

Boat people aren't illegal immigrants.

They're legal asylum seekers.

Thus, your point is irrelevant.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:33pm

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:31pm:

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

The number of asylum seekers we accept from Indonesia is independent of the number of boat people processed onshore. Do you get that.

If we have 6,000 illegal boat people in a year that is 6,000 less GENUINE refugees we take.

Are you saying boat people are not genuine refugees? If that's so then how is it somewhere around 90% are accepted, unlike those who arrive by plane?

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by angeleyes on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:49pm

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:33pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:31pm:

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

The number of asylum seekers we accept from Indonesia is independent of the number of boat people processed onshore. Do you get that.

If we have 6,000 illegal boat people in a year that is 6,000 less GENUINE refugees we take.

Are you saying boat people are not genuine refugees? If that's so then how is it somewhere around 90% are accepted, unlike those who arrive by plane?

I am saying they are economic refugees.

You do realise they pay their airfare to Indonesia than pay around $10,000 to get on a boat to Australia throwing their passports overboard.

Maybe you should check out some GENUINE refugees.

http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=refugee+camps+in+thailand&oq=refugee+camps&aq=3&aqi=g4&aql=&gs_l=hp.1.3.0l4.0.0.1.3329.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0.sHY_davJ2M0&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=7f38341c20228f09&biw=1366&bih=618

http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=refugee+camps+africa&oq=refugee+camps&aq=1e&aqi=g-e2g2&aql=&gs_l=hp.1.1.0i9l2j0l2.68631.70575.2.76201.5.3.0.2.2.0.353.964.3-3.3.0...0.0.15dPIU9aiKA&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=7f38341c20228f09&biw=1366&bih=618

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:52pm

Uncle Meat wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:32pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:23pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:19pm:

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:17pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

You're a fool too.

Ah, the white flag of the bigot. Your unconditional surrender is accepted.

Go, and be thou not stoopid forthwith. >:(

So far, you've provided no evidence.

I've provided quite a bit.

Let's not change topics (nice try with the carbon tax) and instead, let's see some evidence from you.

We're all waiting ...

Nooo, so far all you've provided is fantasy...

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by MOTR on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:53pm

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:31pm:

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

The number of asylum seekers we accept from Indonesia is independent of the number of boat people processed onshore. Do you get that.

If we have 6,000 illegal boat people in a year that is 6,000 less GENUINE refugees we take.

That is not correct. The number of off shore refugees we accept is determined independently of the onshore program. It's a simple point that is probably hard for you to accept because you are so frequently told they are queue jumpers. Well, they are not.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:55pm

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:53pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:31pm:

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

The number of asylum seekers we accept from Indonesia is independent of the number of boat people processed onshore. Do you get that.

If we have 6,000 illegal boat people in a year that is 6,000 less GENUINE refugees we take.

Yeah, nah - so not right. Australia's intake is capped. Each country-hopping queue-jumper who gets a place in our refugee program takes one place away from someone who took the time to make an application to the UNHCR or an Australian embassy.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:56pm

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:49pm:

Wow. $10,000 now? Seems to have gone up because you were saying $5,000 last year. You righties seem to have a good handle on how much it costs, how it's all done, what the process is, where to go to get a good smuggler.

Where do you get your information from? Show me the source. Details. You made a claim, I'd like to see something to back that up thanks.

...oh, and feel free to show me a waiting list if you like. It's obvious AP can't back up his load of bollocks.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by angeleyes on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:58pm

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:53pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:31pm:

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

The number of asylum seekers we accept from Indonesia is independent of the number of boat people processed onshore. Do you get that.

If we have 6,000 illegal boat people in a year that is 6,000 less GENUINE refugees we take.

I would retract that unless you want to be known as a fool.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by MOTR on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:59pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:55pm:

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:53pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:31pm:

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

The number of asylum seekers we accept from Indonesia is independent of the number of boat people processed onshore. Do you get that.

If we have 6,000 illegal boat people in a year that is 6,000 less GENUINE refugees we take.

Would you like to bet a ton on that?

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:59pm

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:56pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:49pm:

Provided proof numerous times. Clearly you choose to ignore it and continue to live in fantasy land with the lunatic Greens...

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:03pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

Provided proof numerous times. Clearly you choose to ignore it and continue to live in fantasy land with the lunatic Greens...

Probably early onset Alzheimers. You'll have to show me again, just like I had to show you lot my chart again. Y'know, the one none of you righties has an answer to.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by MOTR on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:05pm

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:58pm:

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:53pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:31pm:

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

The number of asylum seekers we accept from Indonesia is independent of the number of boat people processed onshore. Do you get that.

If we have 6,000 illegal boat people in a year that is 6,000 less GENUINE refugees we take.

I would retract that unless you want to be known as a fool.

For convenience sake I'm posting a post from a previous thread.

MOTR wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 8:12pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 6:21pm:

Motr, good for you knowing them. But for every one you have met there is one more waiting in a camp overseas and their place has been taken by the ones that you met.

The CASHED UP ONES that is.

Baron, do you understand how our immigration system works. This comes directly from the Immigration Department.

“The Humanitarian Program comprises an offshore component for the resettlement of people overseas, and an onshore component for those people already in Australia who seek Australia’s protection.”

So there are actually two separate components to the humanitarian program within our immigration system. People arriving by boat have no impact on the “queue”.

Further, according to our Immigration Department, "the size and composition of the resettlement program are influenced by a number of factors, including an estimate of the number of people likely to be found in need of protection in Australia in accordance with international obligations under the Refugees Convention “

In practice this means the number of offshore refugees we accept into Australia each year is independent of the number of onshore asylum seekers. Keeping in mind most of these onshore asylum seekers arrived by plane, not by boat.

Baron, it is a gross misrepresentation of the truth to suggest that boat people are pushing offshore refugees further down the "queue". It is a misrepresentation aimed squarely at vilifying boat people to put them offside with mainstream Australians who typically possess an acute sense of the fair go. It is disappointing that this untruth continues to be cultivated by prominent members of the coalition and their mouthpieces in the media.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:06pm

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:58pm:

I would retract that unless you want to be known as a fool.

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

Would you like to bet a ton on that?

hmmm.... tough one...

My bet is on MOTR. Come in spinner! :)

EDIT: Damn! Too slow again. ;D

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by angeleyes on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:07pm

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/60refugee.htm

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by angeleyes on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:08pm

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:58pm:

I would retract that unless you want to be known as a fool.

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

Would you like to bet a ton on that?

hmmm.... tough one...

My bet is on MOTR. Come in spinner! :)

But you are a loser.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by corporate_whitey on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:08pm

This is my country. 8-)

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by nairbe on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:09pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

But the pacific solution didnt work did it?

Do you call them illegal immigrants just to piss uncle meat off?

SOB

No they bang on with this rubbish because they are incapable of individual intelligent thought

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by MOTR on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:12pm

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:08pm:

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:58pm:

I would retract that unless you want to be known as a fool.

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

Would you like to bet a ton on that?

hmmm.... tough one...

My bet is on MOTR. Come in spinner! :)

But you are a loser.

How do you figure that.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by PoliticalPuppet on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:14pm

I really don't know why people aren't buying my pies

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by angeleyes on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:15pm

No they bang on with this rubbish because they are incapable of individual intelligent thought

Do you think we should look after our own, pensioners, people that need operations, dental care, the down and out, people on DVA or the scum that pay $1,000s to gate crash our country?

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by PoliticalPuppet on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:18pm

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:15pm:

You can keep complaining or you can support my company. We make fresh pies from the processed whole bodies of immigrants and asylum seekers.
It keeps down their numbers and of course helps the pie community.
Can I send you a sample pie?

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by angeleyes on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:18pm

MOTR have you checked out this link or do you think you know it all?

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/60refugee.htm

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:20pm

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/60refugee.htm

Interesting but it doesn't make any mention of the points I am supposed to have lost over. Hardly surprising.

BUT it does mention this:

Quote:

The Humanitarian Program has two important functions:

the onshore protection/asylum component fulfils Australia's international obligations by offering protection to people already in Australia who are found to be refugees according to the Refugees Convention

the offshore resettlement component expresses Australia's commitment to refugee protection by going beyond these obligations and offering resettlement to people overseas for whom this is the most appropriate option.

My emphasis.

In other words, Australia only has obligations to asylum seekers who reach our shores. We are OBLIGED to take them. For anyone overseas seeking asylum, we grant it out of our own good nature. We have NO OBLIGATION to take anyone from overseas.

I hadn't realised this important point. That puts quite a different spin on it doesn't it? Quite different to what you righties and your shock jocks present.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:21pm

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:12pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:08pm:

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:58pm:

I would retract that unless you want to be known as a fool.

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

Would you like to bet a ton on that?

hmmm.... tough one...

My bet is on MOTR. Come in spinner! :)

But you are a loser.

How do you figure that.

I put it down to wishful thinking.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by angeleyes on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:24pm

Deary me Gist, here was me giving you credit for having half a brain.

Check out the numbers in the box under Humanitarian Program grants by category 2006–07 to 2010–11 re how many we take per year. You are ok with numbers I take it.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by corporate_whitey on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:27pm

Australians are an oppressed occupied and invaded people, we have no obligations to our invaders or our occupiers...they are illegally colonizing our country. 8-)

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by PoliticalPuppet on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:28pm

corporate_whitey wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:27pm:

Australians are an oppressed occupied and invaded people, we have no obligations to our invaders or our occupiers...they are illegally colonizing our country. 8-)

Yeah those white fellas really f'd shyt up around here

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:34pm

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

Yep, quite comfortable. We're obliged under our international agreements to take people who arrive on our shores (whether by plane or boat). We're under NO obligation to take people overseas. Read it, it's in that same fact sheet. I even quoted it for you above.

If you want the overseas numbers to remain constant then you'd best show more support for asylum seekers.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by MOTR on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:37pm

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

I'm looking at it. The number of refugees we accept from overseas has remained at 6000, totally unaffected by the rise in the number of onshore applicants.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:44pm

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:37pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

I'm looking at it. The number of refugees we accept from overseas has remained at 6000, totally unaffected by the rise in the number of onshore applicants.

Quite right, thanks for that correction MOTR. I'm looking at the SHP row. Damned confusing.

Regardless, if angeleyes wants the numbers in any category to remain steady then she should lobby the government.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:46pm

...and while I think of it - how are you going with that info you were getting for me angeleyes? Found it yet?? Where do I go to find a good people smuggler? "Indonesia" is not an acceptable answer.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Sprintcyclist on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:48pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:28pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:27pm:

Australians are an oppressed occupied and invaded people, we have no obligations to our invaders or our occupiers...they are illegally colonizing our country. 8-)

Yeah those white fellas really f'd shyt up around here

we learn off others mistakes

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Baronvonrort on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:49pm

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

The leftards here would be lucky to have half a brain between the lot of them.

I reckon MOTR owes you a hundred.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by angeleyes on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:50pm

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:34pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

If you understand numbers you would see that when the ILLEGAL numbers are up the humanitarian numbers go down keeping the TOTAL numbers close..

2006/2007 ILLEGALS 1,793. Refugee 6,003.
Special Humanitarian (offshore) 5,183. Total 13,017

2007/2008 ILLEGALS 2,131. Refugee 6,004. Special Humanitarian (offshore) 4,794. Total 13,014.

2008/2009. ILLEGALS 2,492. Refugee 6,499 which includes 500 one of places for Iraqis. Special Humanitarian (offshore) 4,511. Total 13,507.

Do you see a pattern emerging here? ILLEGALS go up, genuine refugees and special humanitarian come down.

MOTR has packed it in. You best as well Gist.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Baronvonrort on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:52pm

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:44pm:

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:37pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

I'm looking at it. The number of refugees we accept from overseas has remained at 6000, totally unaffected by the rise in the number of onshore applicants.

The dim witted leftards think it is confusing....lmao ;D

Hint- look at total number and how it is derived

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:57pm

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:50pm:

If you understand numbers you would see that when the ILLEGAL numbers are up the offshore numbers go down.

2006/2007 ILLEGALS 1,793. Refugee 6,003.
Special Humanitarian (offshore) 5,183. Total 13,017

2007/2008 ILLEGALS 2,131. Refugee 6,004. Special Humanitarian (offshore) 4,794. Total 13,014.

2008/2009. ILLEGALS 2,492. Refugee 6,499 which includes 500 one of places for Iraqis. Special Humanitarian (offshore) 4,511. Total 13,507.

Do you see a pattern emerging here? ILLEGALS go up, genuine refugees and special humanitarian come down.

MOTR has packed it in. You best as well Gist.

Maybe you want to try reading all of what was written, including subsequent posts. You really are slow aren't you sloweyes?

Oh, and there are no illegals in that table. Maybe you could try NOT making up crap. Speaking of which - how is that information going? Found it yet?

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by MOTR on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:58pm

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:50pm:

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:34pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

I certainly haven't packed it in. You realize the onshore number you are referring to includes all asylum seekers, irrespective of whether they arrive by boat or plane.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:58pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:52pm:

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:44pm:

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:37pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

I'm looking at it. The number of refugees we accept from overseas has remained at 6000, totally unaffected by the rise in the number of onshore applicants.

The dim witted leftards think it is confusing....lmao ;D

Hint- look at total number and how it is derived

Hey, rorty! Now you're here, you can answer my question to you. Looking forward to a response from you sometime real soon.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by angeleyes on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:00pm

I'm looking at it. The number of refugees we accept from overseas has remained at 6000, totally unaffected by the rise in the number of onshore applicants.

Think you missed the humanitarian refugees. They are the ones with reducing numbers to allow for the ILLEGALS.

While you are checking that also check the totals. You do know what totals is? That's the BIG number you get when add the smaller ones together.

You can try and explain that to Gist as I can't be bothered.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by angeleyes on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:04pm

I certainly haven't packed it in. You realize the onshore number you are referring to includes all asylum seekers, irrespective of whether they arrive by boat or plane.

Oh for heavens sake. Check out the total numbers. ILLEGALS go up humanitarian come down. Totals remain static.

That's it, I'm out of here.

My dog learnt to sit and stay quicker than you and Gist are capable of working out the numbers.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by MOTR on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:06pm

So your argument is that those who receive special humanitarian visas are refugees. Is that correct? I can clearly see your point, but it is incorrect to say that refugees processed onshore are taking a place of genuine refugees when those who apply for special humanitarian visas would have applied for refugee status if they had qualified.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:08pm

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:00pm:

Geez! It's in the document YOU linked to in this very thread. It says:

Quote:

Special Humanitarian Program (SHP)—for people outside their home country who are subject to substantial discrimination amounting to gross violation of human rights in their home country, and immediate family of persons who have been granted protection in Australia. Applications for entry under the SHP must be supported by a proposer who is an Australian citizen, permanent resident or eligible New Zealand citizen, or an organisation that is based in Australia.

These are people who are NOT refugees! I'd suspect that a lot of them are families of people who have been accepted as refugees, although I am guessing on that point.

I do admit though, it is confusing. :(

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by angeleyes on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:13pm

This is what the discussion is about.

If we have 6,000 illegal boat people in a year that is 6,000 less GENUINE refugees we take.

That is not correct. The number of off shore refugees we accept is determined independently of the onshore program. It's a simple point that is probably hard for you to accept because you are so frequently told they are queue jumpers. Well, they are not.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Soren on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:18pm

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:34pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

This is why Abbott's spot on with his 'turn back the boats' wheeze: these boats are not under the flags of the asylum seekers' countries but under Indonesian flags.

In other words, we may be obliged to take people fleeing their own countries but we are certainly not obliged to take country shoppers 'fleeing' Indonesia.

But you gits and ches and nairbies and dickoes and prickoes are all too stupid to comprehend anything as basic as this. Carry on regardless.i

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:27pm

Soren wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:34pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

Ahhh... Sorrel... the herb of choice when it comes to rabbit feed.

Wrong sunshine. Under Sorell logic, anyone that doesn't arrive on a boat or plane from their home country is unacceptable. But of course, that's rabbit-food-think.

In fact (if you'd paid attention to the discussion thus far) you'd have seen that we are obliged to accept refugees who arrive here are, regardless of how they arrive.

Do focus on this thought. Go over it repeatedly through the night. Eventually it may sink in and you'll be that little bit better educated.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by MOTR on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:35pm

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:13pm:

Exactly. Has the number of offshore refugees we accept decreased with the increase in the number of onshore applicants. The answer is no. What is clear, however, is that the Labor government has capped our total humanitarian program, which in effect means that asylum seekers who arrive by boat, or plane, are having an affect on the number of immigrants we accept offshore for humanitarian reasons. This is not the fault of the asylum seekers who arrive by boat, but rather the failure of our government to deliver on it's promise to increase the humanitarian program to 20,000.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by corporate_whitey on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:38pm

This is my country, I do not like being invaded and I do not like big business sponsoring the invasion of my country. 8-)

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Soren on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:38pm

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:27pm:

In fact (if you'd paid attention to the discussion thus far) you'd have seen that we are obliged to accept refugees who arrive here are, regardless of how they arrive.

Do focus on this thought. Go over it repeatedly through the night. Eventually it may sink in and you'll be that little bit better educated.

The point I made is not about how they arrive you thick noob, it's about where they come from. But I knew you wouldn't be able to comprehend, so carry on as usual.

We all know that you are NOT pretending that you don''t understand.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:47pm

Soren wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:38pm:

Yes, you can try and do a backflip now that you've understood how little thought went into your post. But it won't work Sorrel. You said:

Soren wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

these boats are not under the flags of the asylum seekers' countries but under Indonesian flags.

Nothing to do with where the refugees come from. Everything to do with how they get here.

Try thinking in future. Difficult for you, I know, but nevertheless it's what you need to do.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Soren on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:50pm

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:47pm:

Soren wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:38pm:

Yes, you can try and do a backflip now that you've understood how little thought went into your post. But it won't work Sorrel. You said:

Soren wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

these boats are not under the flags of the asylum seekers' countries but under Indonesian flags.

Nothing to do with where the refugees come from. Everything to do with how they get here.

Try thinking in future. Difficult for you, I know, but nevertheless it's what you need to do.

You are just a too smacking thick git, I am sorry. Do carry on. though.

(your head's wobbling)

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by corporate_whitey on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:50pm

The point is not how they come or where they come from...it is that they are coming to my country in waves...i dont care where they come from, I just want them to stop invading my country and i want the subversives stopped from selling off our country to Aliens. 8-)

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:51pm

Soren wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:50pm:

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:47pm:

Soren wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:38pm:

Yes, you can try and do a backflip now that you've understood how little thought went into your post. But it won't work Sorrel. You said:

Soren wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:18pm:

these boats are not under the flags of the asylum seekers' countries but under Indonesian flags.

Nothing to do with where the refugees come from. Everything to do with how they get here.

Try thinking in future. Difficult for you, I know, but nevertheless it's what you need to do.

You are just too smacking thick, I am sorry. Do carry on. though.

Your white flag of surrender is also accepted. Thou also, go forth and be not stoopid forthwith.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Soren on May 12^th, 2012 at 11:01pm

You thick bastard, everyone who gives up on you as too stupid to talk to - you take that as a 'white flag of surrender". What a vapid, laughable little git you are.

We are NOT under ANY obligation under international law to take non-Indonesian people leaving Indonesia, on Indonesian boats.These people entered Indonesia legally from third countries but are leaving it illegally.
They are not seeking asylum from Indonesian persecution.

I am amazed how stupid you are. keep talking.i

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by MOTR on May 12^th, 2012 at 11:26pm

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:08pm:

angeleyes wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:00pm:

Geez! It's in the document YOU linked to in this very thread. It says:

Quote:

It is confusing, in that they are not considered to be refugees as defined by the United Nations, yet I'd say many are victims of serious human rights abuse in their home country. So while they are not "genuine refugees", it brings us great shame we have deliberately reduced this number.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by corporate_whitey on May 12^th, 2012 at 11:27pm

How much money does the Government, the Greens, the ALP & corporate maggots make selling off my country and my land to Asia? 8-)

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 13^th, 2012 at 12:01am

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 11:26pm:

Yep, I'd agree with that completely. But you and I aren't the ones chanting "stop the boats".

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on May 13^th, 2012 at 12:02am

Soren wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 11:01pm:

We are NOT under ANY obligation under international law to take non-Indonesian people leaving Indonesia, on Indonesian boats.These people entered Indonesia legally from third countries but are leaving it illegally.
They are not seeking asylum from Indonesian persecution.

Based on ... what? Your stamping feet? Your flying spittle? Your little hissy fit? Do you have any substance Sorrel?

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by corporate_whitey on May 13^th, 2012 at 12:12am

How much money do these fake refugee activists make selling my country and my land to Asia? 8-)

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Baronvonrort on May 13^th, 2012 at 6:38pm

Gist wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 12:01am:

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 11:26pm:

Yep, I'd agree with that completely. But you and I aren't the ones chanting "stop the boats".

Fair dinkum you 2 dont have half a brain between the pair of you.

Did you read this bit or even comprehend it you dopey assclowns?
The offshore resettlement component expresses Australia's commitment to refugee protection.......

So what is the Labor-Greens policy on border security?
They failed with malaysia they are devoid of any policy apart from blame Tony for Kevin dismantling a policy that stopped the boats.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by adelcrow on May 13^th, 2012 at 6:54pm

Abbott has told a lie by saying he will turn the boats around from day one of him becoming PM because he has also told the Indonesian govt not to worry because its only politics and he has no intention of turning the boats around.
Im surprised he repeated the lie with his budget reply speech.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Baronvonrort on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:02pm

adelcrow wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 6:54pm:

Julia lied when she said she would smash the people smugglers.

Labor and the greens put the people smugglers back into business.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:13pm

adelcrow wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 6:54pm:

Your lies get more bold, outlandish and desperate as Labor goes lower in the polls.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by adelcrow on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:16pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:13pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 6:54pm:

Your lies get more bold, outlandish and desperate as Labor goes lower in the polls.

Dont you follow the news..Julie Bishop had to ring her Indonesian counterpart and tell him Abbott was only playing politics and they had no intention of turning any boats around if it didnt suit the Indonesian govt

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:24pm

adelcrow wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:16pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:13pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 6:54pm:

Your lies get more bold, outlandish and desperate as Labor goes lower in the polls.

See what I mean? ;D

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by adelcrow on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:27pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:24pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:16pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:13pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 6:54pm:

Your lies get more bold, outlandish and desperate as Labor goes lower in the polls.

See what I mean? ;D

eeerrrr..nope :-?

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by MOTR on May 13^th, 2012 at 7:29pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 6:38pm:

Gist wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 12:01am:

MOTR wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 11:26pm:

Yep, I'd agree with that completely. But you and I aren't the ones chanting "stop the boats".

Perhaps you should read the posts leading to this one. I agree, the intake from the special humanitarian program is numerically linked to the number of successful onshore asylum seekers. While these are not considered refugees by the UN, the distinction is perhaps more semantic than real. I believe it is shameful act to reduce this quota when the number of onshore applicants goes up. We have an international obligation to accept legitimate refugees that arrive on our shores, it is in some ways a breach of faith to cut back on our offshore program in the process of fulfilling this obligation. While an increase in boat people has no bearing on the number of UN classified refugees we accept, it does impact on a very vulnerable group of people, that are also suffering gross human rights violations.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 21^st, 2012 at 1:35pm

Another two boats overnight, another two examples of Labor's failure to secure our borders...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/two-asylum-seeker-boats-intercepted/story-e6freuyi-1226362237484

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Caitlin on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 11:47am

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:17pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

Your ignorance is astonishing, what proper channels? It is legal to seek asylum by boat in Australia!!! People arriving by boat are simply following the process outlined in the UN Refugee Convention and Australian Migration Act, which recognises that it is lawful to enter a country for the purpose of seekign asylum, regardless of how they arrive or whether they hold travil of identity documents. Most do not have these documents because it is to dangerous to apply for them in their own country. Besides, people who travel by boat to Australia make up a very small percentage, less than %2, of Australia's annual migration intake.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by FriYAY on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 11:50am

Caitlin wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:17pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

How do they get out of their country of origin?

:-/

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 2:14pm

FriYAY wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 11:50am:

Caitlin wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:17pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

How do they get out of their country of origin?

:-/

A couple of my workmates escaped Vietnam at the end of the war. They just got on a boat and headed off. As one of them said "we were running for our lives. We didn't have time to stop for papers!"

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 3:58pm

Labor's control of our borders is a sick joke. They are at best impotent at this task, as evidenced by a people smuggling kingpin fleeing 24 hours after a TV program aired about his criminal activity. Indonesia isn't the problem - Australia is. Our impotent government has been pushing and pulling these country shoppers through Indonesia and our northern neighbours are essentially powerless to stop the influx of illegal immigrants. You know it's wrong when illegal immigrants get public housing ahead of Australian citizens who've been on a waiting list for 10+ years but have to live in tents and caravans or in hostels. Labor's only solution is to continue pushing for the illegal Malaysia deal to be introduced and, as everyone knows, that is not the solution to this mess. It is a mess entirely of Labor's making and the only one's with the power to fix it is the ALP. The blame lays solely with the ALP for this farce. Gillard and Bowen have turned us into a laughing-stock in SE Asia. Bowen should resign and Gillard should go to the GG to request an early election because neither of them is anywhere near close to being up to the job. Absolutely and utterly disgraceful!

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opposition-leader-tony-abbott-blames-the-labor-governement-for-people-smuggler-emad-fleeing-the-country/story-e6freuy9-1226388833900

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 7:17am

Another two boats on Saturday due solely to Labor's failure to secure our borders...

http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2012/06/10/Two_asylum-seeker_boats_intercepted_759399.html

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by angeleyes on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:05am

travil of identity documents. Most do not have these documents because it is to dangerous to apply for them in their own country.

Are you really that dumb?

I know this will be very difficult for you but THINK about it.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by angeleyes on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:06am

A couple of my workmates escaped Vietnam at the end of the war. They just got on a boat and headed off. As one of them said "we were running for our lives. We didn't have time to stop for papers!"

Another non thought process from Gist.

Lets see if he can work it out?

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Maqqa on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:29am

Gist wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 11:50am:

Caitlin wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

Gist wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:17pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

How do they get out of their country of origin?

:-/

A couple of my workmates escaped Vietnam at the end of the war. They just got on a boat and headed off. As one of them said "we were running for our lives. We didn't have time to stop for papers!"

And they didn't have time to country shop either!!!

Europe is closer to Afghanistan and Iraq than Australia

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 10:15am

angeleyes wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:06am:

Hey! Spelling Nazi! It's "let's" you idiot! As in "Let's remember the apostrophe!"

You'd never have worked that one out out would you? You can thank me now.

How's your borrowed brain coming along?

Say g'day to the "girlfriend".

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 10:19am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:29am:

And they didn't have time to country shop either!!!

Europe is closer to Afghanistan and Iraq than Australia

Actually they did in a way. One of them told me the story of how they headed for Malaysia (I think from memory). They got there after a couple of days at sea only to find a Malaysian gunship with guns aimed at them. Needless to say, they didn't land there.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by angeleyes on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 11:02am

angeleyes wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:06am:

Still waiting gist.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Gist on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 11:06am

angeleyes wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 11:02am:

angeleyes wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:06am:

Still waiting gist.

I see you still haven't corrected your spelling, idiot.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 8:50pm

Another one - three in one day! That's gotta be a record, even for this incompetent Labor government...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/afp-finds-suspected-asylum-seeker-boat/story-e6freuyi-1226390457700

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 7:00am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 8:50pm:

May had nearly 1200 arrivals coming here and this month we're already going past 900. At that rate, we'll see 2000 before the month is over. Good job, Gillard!

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 7:09am

About 90 people are missing, feared dead after another boatload of about 200 illegal immigrants capsized.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/an-asylum-seeker-boat-has-capsized-north-of-christmas-island/story-e6freuy9-1226404892233

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Greens_Win on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 7:30am

So they are illegals when they succeed and people when they drown !

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by nairbe on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 7:37am

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

You are an unmitigated idiot and moron. wake up and stop being a pathetic little dog of Abbott.

The liberal party who are not in government created this mess when they refused to pass legislation that is supportive of their own policy position. FACT END OF STORY.

The pacific solution is no more available than the Malaysia solution as the high court have thrown that out idiot. Stop bang off with rubbish.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 8:47am

nairbe wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 7:37am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

You are an unmitigated idiot and moron. wake up and stop being a pathetic little dog of Abbott.
WRONG - if anything, I'm a big dog!

The liberal party who are not in government created this mess when they refused to pass legislation that is supportive of their own policy position. FACT END OF STORY.
WRONG! Labor was given the perfect legislation (i.e. Pacific Solution) to deal with this issue, but dismantled it. Subsequently, we went from zero boats and zero people to what is now more than 300 boats and well in excess of 12,000 people since Kevin Rudd made that monumental blunder. Gillard has had NUMEROUS opportunities to fix this mess that is entirely of LABOR's making, but refuses to do so and instead prefers to make those dead people her political pawns. Disgraceful!

The pacific solution is no more available than the Malaysia solution as the high court have thrown that out idiot. Stop bang off with rubbish.
WRONG yet again! The ruling by the High Court affected only Malaysia. At no time was any reference made to either Nauru or offshore processing in its entirety being illegal.

You really should stop posting such clear and obvious lies. It just makes you look like the uneducated fool that you are.

Title: Re: Labor has lost control of our borders
Post by Armchair_Politician on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 8:49am

____ wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 7:30am:

So they are illegals when they succeed and people when they drown !

So you have nothing to say about the threat posed to the last remaining colony of an endangered bird species on the Cocos Islands due to rats being found onboard a people smuggling vessel that ran aground there this week? I'm amazed that the Greens - supposed champions of the environment and wildlife - have not uttered a single syllable on this!