There are more details being released surrounding Craig Thomson's disgraceful misuse of HSU members' funds while working as an official at the HSU. These include:

- spending almost $6,000 via credit card on prostitutes
- almost $270,000 of HSU funds that were not authorised by the union to fund Thomson's election campaign for the seat he now holds in Federal parliament
- cash withdrawals totalling more than $100,000 that were not authorised by the union
- just under $1,500 billed to the union AFTER he resigned for what he described as "his own personal benefit"
- almost $74,000 in "entertainment expenses" that were not authorised by the union, some of which was not spent on union business

This report is a damning indictment of Craig Thomson and shows that he has not been honest in his explanations of the misuse of HSU funds. Thomson is now expected to face charges in the Federal court over his misuse of HSU funds. Gillard should completely sever all ties with this lying, stealing grub, refuse to accept his votes and call an election as she clearly is a person of extremely poor judgement and character.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/fair-work-australia-finds-craig-thomson-spent-almost-6000-on-escorts-on-an-hsu-credit-card/story-e6freuy9-1226349197812

http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2012/05/07/HSU_cash_on_electioneering_-_Thomson_747850.html

he still thinks he'll be cleared/vindicated

it's interesting - if he feels he will be cleared then there's no reason to move to the cross bench

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/13623173/union-funds-used-for-election-campaign-report/

FWA Investigator Terry Nassios found that while Mr Thomson denied the escort payments, “the preponderance of evidence is such that I can only conclude that it was indeed Mr Thomson who used his credit card ... for the procurement of escort services.”

The investigation found a total of 181 contraventions of the Fair Work Act and union rules, of which 156 relate Mr Thomson and include 98 that could attract fines if proven in court.

However, FWA did not find any criminal behaviour that could have attracted a jail sentence of a year or more, an outcome that would disqualify Mr Thomson from parliament and potentially bring down the Labor minority government.

Mr Thomson said in a statement he would defend all allegations and denied any wrongdoing.

He also attacked FWA for being unfair in its investigation - which started as an inquiry following media reports about him in April 2009 - and breaching its own legislation.

The report found multiple failings regarding the union’s financial controls, including a lack of rules governing credit card use, no proper auditing and officials’ wages being set without checks by the union’s national bodies.

Mr Thomson is alleged to have spent more than $71,000 in HSU funds on his campaign for the federal seat of Dobell, as well as almost $200,000 on national office staffers connected to his campaign.

After being elected, he charged $1425 to two union credit cards for meals and taxis.

Between 2002 and 2007, he made more than $103,000 in cash withdrawals on a CBA Mastercard, not all of which could be shown to have been for “legitimate union purposes“, the report said.

And not all of $73,849 spent on credit cards for dining or entertainment between 2002 to 2007 was for legitimate union purposes, it said.

Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten said the report was “disturbing”.

He said the conduct of HSU officials referred to in the FWA report had “no place in a modern, democratic and honest trade union movement”.

“I must say I find the findings of the report disturbing,” Mr Shorten told reporters in Canberra on Monday.

“I find them extremely disappointing as a former union official.”

Prime Minister Julia Gillard told her Labor caucus on Monday, in a veiled reference to the HSU affair, that Labor believed a “worker’s dollar” should be used properly, be it by the government, unions or business.

Shorten's reaction was

“I must say I find the findings of the report disturbing,”

This is like saying the Titanic had a "minor leak"

Or Pol Pot was confused

Or Hitler was a Jew

Maqqa wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 10:59pm:

Shorten's reaction was “I must say I find the findings of the report disturbing,” This is like saying the Titanic had a "minor leak" Or Pol Pot was confused Or Hitler was a Jew

Or "Craig Thomson is innocent"

Or "Craig Thomson has the PM's full support"

Or "There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

Or the best one...

"I have no freaking idea what my PM said, but let me say I fully support whatever the hell that stupid old hag said"

The funny thing is, Craig Thomson still comes out saying "oh but this is not about me, it is about others still working at the HSU"

You have got to wonder just how pervasive this is for the labor pollies coming through the ranks of union to labor politics.

Just how much union money (any union) is being used to win seats around Australia for labor.

progressiveslol wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 6:21am:

The funny thing is, Craig Thomson still comes out saying "oh but this is not about me, it is about others still working at the HSU" You have got to wonder just how pervasive this is for the labor pollies coming through the ranks of union to labor politics. Just how much union money (any union) is being used to win seats around Australia for labor.

Thomson should now resign from parliament immediately. He absolutely no chance of being re-elected. His position is untenable and the ALP would be suicidal to bring him back into the party.

Maqqa wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 10:54pm:

he still thinks he'll be cleared/vindicated it's interesting - if he feels he will be cleared then there's no reason to move to the cross bench

I keep thinking the same thing... whilst we all realized something was eminent.. when he witched.... I cant help but wonder YYYYYYYY....he is virtually saying yes I have something to answer for by doing what he has done..

if she was going to ask him to move... YYYYY didnt she do it months ago as we know NOT a thing had changed[a line has been crossed] since this sage started....

except the release of the report!!!!!!!!!!!!!


which does THOMO no favors...... NO FAVORS AT ALL THOMO..

$200.000 of union funds on his election campaign......TSK TSK>.. nothing wrong with doing that????????????


mmmmmm better ask one of the Union members.

cods wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 8:21am:

Maqqa wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 10:54pm: he still thinks he'll be cleared/vindicated it's interesting - if he feels he will be cleared then there's no reason to move to the cross bench I keep thinking the same thing... whilst we all realized something was eminent.. when he witched.... I cant help but wonder YYYYYYYY....he is virtually saying yes I have something to answer for by doing what he has done.. if she was going to ask him to move... YYYYY didnt she do it months ago as we know NOT a thing had changed[a line has been crossed] since this sage started.... except the release of the report!!!!!!!!!!!!! which does THOMO no favors...... NO FAVORS AT ALL THOMO.. $200.000 of union funds on his election campaign......TSK TSK>.. nothing wrong with doing that???????????? mmmmmm better ask one of the Union members.

She needed his vote

Maqqa wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 10:57pm:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/13623173/union-funds-used-for-election-campaign-report/ FWA Investigator Terry Nassios found that while Mr Thomson denied the escort payments, “the preponderance of evidence is such that I can only conclude that it was indeed Mr Thomson who used his credit card ... for the procurement of escort services.” The investigation found a total of 181 contraventions of the Fair Work Act and union rules, of which 156 relate Mr Thomson and include 98 that could attract fines if proven in court. However, FWA did not find any criminal behaviour that could have attracted a jail sentence of a year or more, an outcome that would disqualify Mr Thomson from parliament and potentially bring down the Labor minority government. Mr Thomson said in a statement he would defend all allegations and denied any wrongdoing. He also attacked FWA for being unfair in its investigation - which started as an inquiry following media reports about him in April 2009 - and breaching its own legislation. The report found multiple failings regarding the union’s financial controls, including a lack of rules governing credit card use, no proper auditing and officials’ wages being set without checks by the union’s national bodies. Mr Thomson is alleged to have spent more than $71,000 in HSU funds on his campaign for the federal seat of Dobell, as well as almost $200,000 on national office staffers connected to his campaign. After being elected, he charged $1425 to two union credit cards for meals and taxis. Between 2002 and 2007, he made more than $103,000 in cash withdrawals on a CBA Mastercard, not all of which could be shown to have been for “legitimate union purposes“, the report said. And not all of $73,849 spent on credit cards for dining or entertainment between 2002 to 2007 was for legitimate union purposes, it said. Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten said the report was “disturbing”. He said the conduct of HSU officials referred to in the FWA report had “no place in a modern, democratic and honest trade union movement”. “I must say I find the findings of the report disturbing,” Mr Shorten told reporters in Canberra on Monday. “I find them extremely disappointing as a former union official.” Prime Minister Julia Gillard told her Labor caucus on Monday, in a veiled reference to the HSU affair, that Labor believed a “worker’s dollar” should be used properly, be it by the government, unions or business.

HEY LONGIDIOT!

So where are all these crimes against humanity longloser? The crimes against minors? Crimes against itinerant sheep? Longliar? All these supposed crimes that you claimed? Longtroll? Where are they? What are they? You've been trumpeting them for a year now. ANOTHER investigation failed to find all these horrendous crimes that you've been alluding to.

C'mon longfool, out with it. We want details man! Where are the crimes that were going to see Thompson gaoled for years to come? Hmm? borntowhine?

Gist wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 9:02am:

Maqqa wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 10:57pm: http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/13623173/union-funds-used-for-election-campaign-report/ FWA Investigator Terry Nassios found that while Mr Thomson denied the escort payments, “the preponderance of evidence is such that I can only conclude that it was indeed Mr Thomson who used his credit card ... for the procurement of escort services.” The investigation found a total of 181 contraventions of the Fair Work Act and union rules, of which 156 relate Mr Thomson and include 98 that could attract fines if proven in court. However, FWA did not find any criminal behaviour that could have attracted a jail sentence of a year or more, an outcome that would disqualify Mr Thomson from parliament and potentially bring down the Labor minority government. Mr Thomson said in a statement he would defend all allegations and denied any wrongdoing. He also attacked FWA for being unfair in its investigation - which started as an inquiry following media reports about him in April 2009 - and breaching its own legislation. The report found multiple failings regarding the union’s financial controls, including a lack of rules governing credit card use, no proper auditing and officials’ wages being set without checks by the union’s national bodies. Mr Thomson is alleged to have spent more than $71,000 in HSU funds on his campaign for the federal seat of Dobell, as well as almost $200,000 on national office staffers connected to his campaign. After being elected, he charged $1425 to two union credit cards for meals and taxis. Between 2002 and 2007, he made more than $103,000 in cash withdrawals on a CBA Mastercard, not all of which could be shown to have been for “legitimate union purposes“, the report said. And not all of $73,849 spent on credit cards for dining or entertainment between 2002 to 2007 was for legitimate union purposes, it said. Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten said the report was “disturbing”. He said the conduct of HSU officials referred to in the FWA report had “no place in a modern, democratic and honest trade union movement”. “I must say I find the findings of the report disturbing,” Mr Shorten told reporters in Canberra on Monday. “I find them extremely disappointing as a former union official.” Prime Minister Julia Gillard told her Labor caucus on Monday, in a veiled reference to the HSU affair, that Labor believed a “worker’s dollar” should be used properly, be it by the government, unions or business. HEY LONGIDIOT! So where are all these crimes against humanity longloser? The crimes against minors? Crimes against itinerant sheep? Longliar? All these supposed crimes that you claimed? Longtroll? Where are they? What are they? You've been trumpeting them for a year now. ANOTHER investigation failed to find all these horrendous crimes that you've been alluding to. C'mon longfool, out with it. We want details man! Where are the crimes that were going to see Thompson gaoled for years to come? Hmm? borntowhine?

FWA are not the police so cant make that statement with any authority. I dont even know why they would make that statement apart from putting a bucket of water on a bush fire. FWA = Labor lackies.

progressiveslol wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 9:08am:

FWA are not the police so cant make that statement with any authority. I dont even know why they would make that statement apart from putting a bucket of water on a bush fire. FWA = Labor lackies.

Newsflash for you lolly. Several police inquiries have also made that statement, as loserweekend is well aware. So the questions for longfoolcryingthathegotsackedasamod stand.

Gist wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 9:16am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:08am: FWA are not the police so cant make that statement with any authority. I dont even know why they would make that statement apart from putting a bucket of water on a bush fire. FWA = Labor lackies. Newsflash for you lolly. Several police inquiries have also made that statement, as loserweekend is well aware. So the questions for longfoolcryingthathegotsackedasamod stand.

The other investigations were obviously half hearted. Why else would williamson be caught carrying out paperwork if it had already been collected as evidence.

This aint over by a long shot.

progressiveslol wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 9:17am:

Gist wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:16am: progressiveslol wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:08am: FWA are not the police so cant make that statement with any authority. I dont even know why they would make that statement apart from putting a bucket of water on a bush fire. FWA = Labor lackies. Newsflash for you lolly. Several police inquiries have also made that statement, as loserweekend is well aware. So the questions for longfoolcryingthathegotsackedasamod stand. The other investigations were obviously half hearted. Why else would williamson be caught carrying out paperwork if it had already been collected as evidence. This aint over by a long shot.

Then you take over from longidiot and give us the details. Out with them lolly. Seems you know better than all these investigations. We want facts. Spit it out lolly, spit it out.  :P

Gist wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 9:32am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:17am: Gist wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:16am: progressiveslol wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:08am: FWA are not the police so cant make that statement with any authority. I dont even know why they would make that statement apart from putting a bucket of water on a bush fire. FWA = Labor lackies. Newsflash for you lolly. Several police inquiries have also made that statement, as loserweekend is well aware. So the questions for longfoolcryingthathegotsackedasamod stand. The other investigations were obviously half hearted. Why else would williamson be caught carrying out paperwork if it had already been collected as evidence. This aint over by a long shot. Then you take over from longidiot and give us the details. Out with them lolly. Seems you know better than all these investigations. We want facts. Spit it out lolly, spit it out.  :P

I just gave you the details tool. Go be an idiot on someone elses time.

progressiveslol wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 9:34am:

I just gave you the details tool. Go be an idiot on someone elses time.

You gave us NOTHING. You gave us your masturbationary fantasies. They aren't facts lolly! I want facts. The ones you claim several police departments are too lazy to find and only YOU are competent to root out.

Gist wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 9:39am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:34am: I just gave you the details tool. Go be an idiot on someone elses time. You gave us NOTHING. You gave us your masturbationary fantasies. They aren't facts lolly! I want facts. The ones you claim several police departments are too lazy to find and only YOU are competent to root out.

You want facts, you will have to ask labor lol.

I think people need to remember this is a rorting of the money of some of the lowest paid people in Australia.

Spending their money (and these people do the sh*ttiest of jobs we would never do) on air travel for your wife, running a campaign, hookers and just living the lifestyle of a millionaire - is downright obscene.

The fact some people on here would think it funny if he gets away with it is just an outrage.

None of this is to be commended or applauded - it is morally disgraceful and offensive to some of the lowest paid people in Australia.

Try to remember that when you are all engaging in politically aligned battles over MP numbers....

I couldn't give a monkey's toss about the Government staying or going, I am just appalled that this Union leader behaved in this manner.

Quote:

I think people need to remember this is a rorting of the money of some of the lowest paid people in Australia.

So you agree we should arrest the bankers?

Orgasm wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 10:09am:

Quote: I think people need to remember this is a rorting of the money of some of the lowest paid people in Australia. So you agree we should arrest the bankers?

You mispelt. Give the B a W and im in full agreeance. If you meant bankers, then make your own thread on it. This is about the rorting of poor working class money for the empowerment and greed of labor ex-union members.

Maybe every single ex-union member in labor should have a fine tooth comb go over their dealing with other peoples money while they were trying to get into politics.

progressiveslol wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 10:14am:

Orgasm wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 10:09am: Quote: I think people need to remember this is a rorting of the money of some of the lowest paid people in Australia. So you agree we should arrest the bankers? You mispelt. Give the B a W and im in full agreeance. If you meant bankers, then make your own thread on it. This is about the rorting of poor working class money for the empowerment and greed of labor ex-union members. Maybe every single ex-union member in labor should have a fine tooth comb go over their dealing with other peoples money while they were trying to get into politics.

How is it a scam to scam a scam
Dont know if you noticed but poor the working class dont have money anyway.

Orgasm wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 10:21am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 10:14am: Orgasm wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 10:09am: Quote: I think people need to remember this is a rorting of the money of some of the lowest paid people in Australia. So you agree we should arrest the bankers? You mispelt. Give the B a W and im in full agreeance. If you meant bankers, then make your own thread on it. This is about the rorting of poor working class money for the empowerment and greed of labor ex-union members. Maybe every single ex-union member in labor should have a fine tooth comb go over their dealing with other peoples money while they were trying to get into politics. How is it a scam to scam a scam Dont know if you noticed but poor the working class dont have money anyway.

That made zero sense.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 10:06am:

I think people need to remember this is a rorting of the money of some of the lowest paid people in Australia. Spending their money (and these people do the sh*ttiest of jobs we would never do) on air travel for your wife, running a campaign, hookers and just living the lifestyle of a millionaire - is downright obscene. The fact some people on here would think it funny if he gets away with it is just an outrage. None of this is to be commended or applauded - it is morally disgraceful and offensive to some of the lowest paid people in Australia. Try to remember that when you are all engaging in politically aligned battles over MP numbers.... I couldn't give a monkey's toss about the Government staying or going, I am just appalled that this Union leader behaved in this manner.

Several investigations have put these allegations and all the officials in charge of that union including Thompson should get what's coming to them if those allegations are proven. I have no issues with that being done and in fact would expect it to be done. Nor do I have any problem with the laws being tightened to ensure this kind of thing doesn't happen again.

What I have issue with is the constant veiled allegations of criminal activity from the right based on nothing except their own desires. They want it to be so and so they claim it is so. For their own ends.

Thompson may be scum but the right are turning into maggots feeding off scum.

progressiveslol wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 10:25am:

Orgasm wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 10:21am: progressiveslol wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 10:14am: Orgasm wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 10:09am: Quote: I think people need to remember this is a rorting of the money of some of the lowest paid people in Australia. So you agree we should arrest the bankers? You mispelt. Give the B a W and im in full agreeance. If you meant bankers, then make your own thread on it. This is about the rorting of poor working class money for the empowerment and greed of labor ex-union members. Maybe every single ex-union member in labor should have a fine tooth comb go over their dealing with other peoples money while they were trying to get into politics. How is it a scam to scam a scam Dont know if you noticed but poor the working class dont have money anyway. That made zero sense.

Your crying over a drop of water in the ocean

The union Fat Cats are running rampant

Gist wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 10:26am:

Several investigations have put these allegations and all the officials in charge of that union including Thompson should get what's coming to them if those allegations are proven. I have no issues with that being done and in fact would expect it to be done. Nor do I have any problem with the laws being tightened to ensure this kind of thing doesn't happen again.

IF the allegations are proven?

4 years of investigation by the FWA not good enough for you?

Mind you the FWA was the creation of Gillard back in 2007 because she said the Ombudsman was not good enough

Gist wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 10:26am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 10:06am: I think people need to remember this is a rorting of the money of some of the lowest paid people in Australia. Spending their money (and these people do the sh*ttiest of jobs we would never do) on air travel for your wife, running a campaign, hookers and just living the lifestyle of a millionaire - is downright obscene. The fact some people on here would think it funny if he gets away with it is just an outrage. None of this is to be commended or applauded - it is morally disgraceful and offensive to some of the lowest paid people in Australia. Try to remember that when you are all engaging in politically aligned battles over MP numbers.... I couldn't give a monkey's toss about the Government staying or going, I am just appalled that this Union leader behaved in this manner. Several investigations have put these allegations and all the officials in charge of that union including Thompson should get what's coming to them if those allegations are proven. I have no issues with that being done and in fact would expect it to be done. Nor do I have any problem with the laws being tightened to ensure this kind of thing doesn't happen again. What I have issue with is the constant veiled allegations of criminal activity from the right based on nothing except their own desires. They want it to be so and so they claim it is so. For their own ends. Thompson may be scum but the right are turning into maggots feeding off scum.

FWA (a Labor affiliated organisation) came out with the details about Thomson, entailing just what Andrei said. What more is there to say?

Maqqa wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 10:31am:

Gist wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 10:26am: Several investigations have put these allegations and all the officials in charge of that union including Thompson should get what's coming to them if those allegations are proven. I have no issues with that being done and in fact would expect it to be done. Nor do I have any problem with the laws being tightened to ensure this kind of thing doesn't happen again. IF the allegations are proven? 4 years of investigation by the FWA not good enough for you? Mind you the FWA was the creation of Gillard back in 2007 because she said the Ombudsman was not good enough

To be fair Macca - the allegations have a lot more weight now and this additional report from the FWA adds a lot of clout to it (hence the jettisoning of all support for the guy from Shorten, Gillard and co) - but until he is found guilty they are still allegations.

I actually think he genuinely thinks he is innocent, but thats because he's convinced himself.

Until he is found in a courtroom - he is innocent.

I have no doubt he will be found guilty - as do his former Labor colleagues - but they do remain allegations.

john_g wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 10:36am:

FWA (a Labor affiliated organisation) came out with the details about Thomson, entailing just what Andrei said. What more is there to say?

Actually the FWA is a government body. You don't do yourself any credit claiming it is "Labor affiliated". Next thing you'll be wailing that all of the CSIRO is secretly in a cabal with the Labor party because they won't give you the answers you want.

But that's another topic.  :)

And so... the FWA came out with a bunch of matters that need to be answered. And so they should be. If found guilty (yet to be determined) then Thompson should face the associated penalties. Which I gather amounts to payment of fines.

Hardly the hard time that lolly and longfool are crapping on about based on shadowy allegations that they plucked out of their arses is it?

Gist wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 10:55am:

john_g wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 10:36am: FWA (a Labor affiliated organisation) came out with the details about Thomson, entailing just what Andrei said. What more is there to say? Actually the FWA is a government body. You don't do yourself any credit claiming it is "Labor affiliated". Next thing you'll be wailing that all of the CSIRO is secretly in a cabal with the Labor party because they won't give you the answers you want. But that's another topic.  :) And so... the FWA came out with a bunch of matters that need to be answered. And so they should be. If found guilty (yet to be determined) then Thompson should face the associated penalties. Which I gather amounts to payment of fines. Hardly the hard time that lolly and longfool are crapping on about based on shadowy allegations that they plucked out of their arses is it?

FWA is either Labor affiliated, or ridiculously incompetent. Taking 4 years to complete these investigations??

Thomson is alleged to have breached 156 contraventions, and I am sure that WHEN, not if, he is found guilty, he'll get more than just a few fines.

For me, this is not about political gain. It's about ethics and fairness. I want him brought to justice for stealing and using the money of others (especially bearing in mind that these people do some of the most disgusting work imaginable, for very little money) for prostitutes, airfare, dining and election campaigning. If it brings down the government, then that is just an added bonus.

john_g wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 11:23am:

FWA is either Labor affiliated, or ridiculously incompetent. Taking 4 years to complete these investigations?? Thomson is alleged to have breached 156 contraventions, and I am sure that WHEN, not if, he is found guilty, he'll get more than just a few fines. For me, this is not about political gain. It's about ethics and fairness. I want him brought to justice for stealing and using the money of others (especially bearing in mind that these people do some of the most disgusting work imaginable, for very little money) for prostitutes, airfare, dining and election campaigning. If it brings down the government, then that is just an added bonus.

Are you indeed? How sure? You're very sure about something you obviously have little information about that's for sure.

Alleged 156 breaches, each attracting a fine of up to about $2,000. If they're all upheld and maximum fines applied then he could be deeply out of pocket.

And stealing you say? Stealing is a criminal offence. There's been no allegations of criminal offences. So you can be sure you're wrong on that point as well.

Double post (dammit).

Gist wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 11:44am:

john_g wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 11:23am: FWA is either Labor affiliated, or ridiculously incompetent. Taking 4 years to complete these investigations?? Thomson is alleged to have breached 156 contraventions, and I am sure that WHEN, not if, he is found guilty, he'll get more than just a few fines. For me, this is not about political gain. It's about ethics and fairness. I want him brought to justice for stealing and using the money of others (especially bearing in mind that these people do some of the most disgusting work imaginable, for very little money) for prostitutes, airfare, dining and election campaigning. If it brings down the government, then that is just an added bonus. Are you indeed? How sure? You're very sure about something you obviously have little information about that's for sure. Alleged 156 breaches, each attracting a fine of up to about $2,000. If they're all upheld and maximum fines applied then he could be deeply out of pocket. And stealing you say? Stealing is a criminal offence. There's been no allegations of criminal offences. So you can be sure you're wrong on that point as well.

I saw Geoge Brandis on ABC 24 news breakfast this morning, he said and I quote that "Thomson STOLE money", the breakfast host got him to repeat it, probably so Thomson can sue his butt. She couldn't believe how stupid Brandis was,then about half way through the interview Brandis realised he was on TV and not covered by parliamentary privilege, he back tracked so fast even he couldn't believe it, but tough luck Georgie, ya said it, and its on record, your butt will be Thomsons.  ;D

Only time will tell. These allegations confirm what we already knew. The case is far from over, so let's just wait and see what happens.

The fact that anyone can support him still being in Parliament is beyond me, and shows me that you care more about your own political interests than you do about fairness, justice and ethics.

john_g wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 12:27pm:

Only time will tell. These allegations confirm what we already knew. The case is far from over, so let's just wait and see what happens. The fact that anyone can support him still being in Parliament is beyond me, and shows me that you care more about your own political interests than you do about fairness, justice and ethics.

Or maybe we just care more about our country than the people willing to hand phony Tony the PMship on a silver platter. If you think Gillard is bad you ain't seen nothing yet.

skippy. wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 12:44pm:

john_g wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 12:27pm: Only time will tell. These allegations confirm what we already knew. The case is far from over, so let's just wait and see what happens. The fact that anyone can support him still being in Parliament is beyond me, and shows me that you care more about your own political interests than you do about fairness, justice and ethics. Or maybe we just care more about our country than the people willing to hand phony Tony the PMship on a silver platter. If you think Gillard is bad you ain't seen nothing yet.

That's the thing, though. You raise two good points there. Firstly, it is YOUR opinion that Gillard is better than Abbott, and so, it's fine to have Thomson there to prop her up. Most, however, disagree with you, and I am sorry to say that it is still only your political interest that propels you to defend him.

Secondly, I agree that Abbott probably won't be good, but I do rate him higher than Gillard, and at the moment, would vote for anyone over her. I am no fan of either one, as I have said time and again.

john_g wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 12:48pm:

skippy. wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 12:44pm: john_g wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 12:27pm: Only time will tell. These allegations confirm what we already knew. The case is far from over, so let's just wait and see what happens. The fact that anyone can support him still being in Parliament is beyond me, and shows me that you care more about your own political interests than you do about fairness, justice and ethics. Or maybe we just care more about our country than the people willing to hand phony Tony the PMship on a silver platter. If you think Gillard is bad you ain't seen nothing yet. That's the thing, though. You raise two good points there. Firstly, it is YOUR opinion that Gillard is better than Abbott, and so, it's fine to have Thomson there to prop her up. Most, however, disagree with you, and I am sorry to say that it is still only your political interest that propels you to defend him. Secondly, I agree that Abbott probably won't be good, but I do rate him higher than Gillard, and at the moment, would vote for anyone over her. I am no fan of either one, as I have said time and again.

I am not a fan of either of them. BUT, it is not just my opinion Gillard is better than Abbott. Abbott struggles to beat Gillard as preferred PM which suggests many if not most people agree with me. If I had my way Malcolm Turnbull would be PM.

skippy. wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

john_g wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 12:48pm: skippy. wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 12:44pm: john_g wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 12:27pm: Only time will tell. These allegations confirm what we already knew. The case is far from over, so let's just wait and see what happens. The fact that anyone can support him still being in Parliament is beyond me, and shows me that you care more about your own political interests than you do about fairness, justice and ethics. Or maybe we just care more about our country than the people willing to hand phony Tony the PMship on a silver platter. If you think Gillard is bad you ain't seen nothing yet. That's the thing, though. You raise two good points there. Firstly, it is YOUR opinion that Gillard is better than Abbott, and so, it's fine to have Thomson there to prop her up. Most, however, disagree with you, and I am sorry to say that it is still only your political interest that propels you to defend him. Secondly, I agree that Abbott probably won't be good, but I do rate him higher than Gillard, and at the moment, would vote for anyone over her. I am no fan of either one, as I have said time and again. I am not a fan of either of them. BUT, it is not just my opinion Gillard is better than Abbott. Abbott struggles to beat Gillard as preferred PM which suggests many if not most people agree with me. If I had my way Malcolm Turnbull would be PM.

It is still only opinion. There is no fact about who is better. At the moment, Abbott leads 41-36 on the PPM, and has better approval ratings, although both are terrible. I agree, I want Turnbull as leader as well. He is definitely, for me, the pick of the bunch. For me, Turnbull>>>Abbott>>>>>>Rudd>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times infinity Gillard.

If you're wondering why Abbott over Rudd, it's because Rudd=Labor=carbon tax. As long as that is part of their agenda, then I won't be voting Labor. I did so in 1993, 1998 and 2007, but not in the foreseeable future. I might not necessarily be voting for the Libs, though, either. It's either them or a donkey vote.

john_g wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 1:02pm:

It is still only opinion. There is no fact about who is better. At the moment, Abbott leads 41-36 on the PPM, and has better approval ratings, although both are terrible. I agree, I want Turnbull as leader as well. He is definitely, for me, the pick of the bunch. For me, Turnbull>>>Abbott>>>>>>Rudd>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times infinity Gillard. If you're wondering why Abbott over Rudd, it's because Rudd=Labor=carbon tax. As long as that is part of their agenda, then I won't be voting Labor. I did so in 1993, 1998 and 2007, but not in the foreseeable future. I might not necessarily be voting for the Libs, though, either. It's either them or a donkey vote.

And so, despite your protestations, you expose yourself as just another Lieberal rusted on.  ;D

Gist wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 1:08pm:

john_g wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 1:02pm: It is still only opinion. There is no fact about who is better. At the moment, Abbott leads 41-36 on the PPM, and has better approval ratings, although both are terrible. I agree, I want Turnbull as leader as well. He is definitely, for me, the pick of the bunch. For me, Turnbull>>>Abbott>>>>>>Rudd>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times infinity Gillard. If you're wondering why Abbott over Rudd, it's because Rudd=Labor=carbon tax. As long as that is part of their agenda, then I won't be voting Labor. I did so in 1993, 1998 and 2007, but not in the foreseeable future. I might not necessarily be voting for the Libs, though, either. It's either them or a donkey vote. And so, despite your protestations, you expose yourself as just another Lieberal rusted on.  ;D

Yes, that is why I've voted for both sides in the past, am critical of Abbott, and am considering a donkey vote. It's also why I am concerned about the Coalition gaining too much power, and having virtually no Opposition.

john_g wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 1:16pm:

Gist wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 1:08pm: john_g wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 1:02pm: It is still only opinion. There is no fact about who is better. At the moment, Abbott leads 41-36 on the PPM, and has better approval ratings, although both are terrible. I agree, I want Turnbull as leader as well. He is definitely, for me, the pick of the bunch. For me, Turnbull>>>Abbott>>>>>>Rudd>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times infinity Gillard. If you're wondering why Abbott over Rudd, it's because Rudd=Labor=carbon tax. As long as that is part of their agenda, then I won't be voting Labor. I did so in 1993, 1998 and 2007, but not in the foreseeable future. I might not necessarily be voting for the Libs, though, either. It's either them or a donkey vote. And so, despite your protestations, you expose yourself as just another Lieberal rusted on.  ;D Yes, that is why I've voted for both sides in the past, am critical of Abbott, and am considering a donkey vote. It's also why I am concerned about the Coalition gaining too much power, and having virtually no Opposition.

i'ld be more concerned that any vestige of this inept foolish wasteful govt exist.

john_g wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 1:16pm:

Gist wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 1:08pm: john_g wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 1:02pm: It is still only opinion. There is no fact about who is better. At the moment, Abbott leads 41-36 on the PPM, and has better approval ratings, although both are terrible. I agree, I want Turnbull as leader as well. He is definitely, for me, the pick of the bunch. For me, Turnbull>>>Abbott>>>>>>Rudd>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times infinity Gillard. If you're wondering why Abbott over Rudd, it's because Rudd=Labor=carbon tax. As long as that is part of their agenda, then I won't be voting Labor. I did so in 1993, 1998 and 2007, but not in the foreseeable future. I might not necessarily be voting for the Libs, though, either. It's either them or a donkey vote. And so, despite your protestations, you expose yourself as just another Lieberal rusted on.  ;D Yes, that is why I've voted for both sides in the past, am critical of Abbott, and am considering a donkey vote. It's also why I am concerned about the Coalition gaining too much power, and having virtually no Opposition.

Fair enough then. I withdraw my accusation, john.

And I completely agree about a lack of opposition to Abbott. Really I think the biggest issue with this government is not the job that they're doing, it's their complete inability to get their message out. They couldn't sell a sausage sandwich at a scout barbeque, honestly.

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 1:21pm:

i'ld be more concerned that any vestige of this inept foolish wasteful govt exist.

See? This kind of rubbish wouldn't stand a chance if they were able to communicate. Instead, we get idiots who get paid to know better putting it out in the media! Unsubstantiated drivel being spouted as fact.

Gist wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 1:34pm:

john_g wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 1:16pm: Gist wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 1:08pm: john_g wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 1:02pm: It is still only opinion. There is no fact about who is better. At the moment, Abbott leads 41-36 on the PPM, and has better approval ratings, although both are terrible. I agree, I want Turnbull as leader as well. He is definitely, for me, the pick of the bunch. For me, Turnbull>>>Abbott>>>>>>Rudd>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times infinity Gillard. If you're wondering why Abbott over Rudd, it's because Rudd=Labor=carbon tax. As long as that is part of their agenda, then I won't be voting Labor. I did so in 1993, 1998 and 2007, but not in the foreseeable future. I might not necessarily be voting for the Libs, though, either. It's either them or a donkey vote. And so, despite your protestations, you expose yourself as just another Lieberal rusted on.  ;D Yes, that is why I've voted for both sides in the past, am critical of Abbott, and am considering a donkey vote. It's also why I am concerned about the Coalition gaining too much power, and having virtually no Opposition. Fair enough then. I withdraw my accusation, john. And I completely agree about a lack of opposition to Abbott. Really I think the biggest issue with this government is not the job that they're doing, it's their complete inability to get their message out. They couldn't sell a sausage sandwich at a scout barbeque, honestly.

Good governance is self evident. It does not need "to be sold", they should not have to "get their message out".
Soon as they talk about "moving forward" or "transition phase", they are faking it.

john_g wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 12:27pm:

Only time will tell. These allegations confirm what we already knew. The case is far from over, so let's just wait and see what happens. The fact that anyone can support him still being in Parliament is beyond me, and shows me that you care more about your own political interests than you do about fairness, justice and ethics.

If you tell me that you stopped voting for Howard, after the Children Overboard Lie was exposed, I may consider taking you seriously John g.

Did you?

and mozza, if you can tell me the rudd/gillard is about the worst govt in living history i can take you seriuosly.

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 3:08pm:

Good governance is self evident. It does not need "to be sold", they should not have to "get their message out". Soon as they talk about "moving forward" or "transition phase", they are faking it.

Rubbish. The GST was good governance. Did it need to be sold? You betcha it did! The ETS is also good governance. Does it need to be sold?? You betcha! Trouble is, it isn't. Not well anyway.

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

and mozza, if you can tell me the rudd/gillard is about the worst govt in living history i can take you seriuosly.

OK, I try not to make the same mistake twice in one day...

So which are you - Rusted on minion or mindless Jones listener?

Gist wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 3:08pm: Good governance is self evident. It does not need "to be sold", they should not have to "get their message out". Soon as they talk about "moving forward" or "transition phase", they are faking it. Rubbish. The GST was good governance. Did it need to be sold? You betcha it did! The ETS is also good governance. Does it need to be sold?? You betcha! Trouble is, it isn't. Not well anyway.

howard went to an election honestly saying he would bring in a GST.
gillard went to an election dishonestly saying there wouldbe NO carboin tax under her govt.

that's not "selling". that's lying.

Gist wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 9:02am:

Maqqa wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 10:57pm: http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/13623173/union-funds-used-for-election-campaign-report/ FWA Investigator Terry Nassios found that while Mr Thomson denied the escort payments, “the preponderance of evidence is such that I can only conclude that it was indeed Mr Thomson who used his credit card ... for the procurement of escort services.” The investigation found a total of 181 contraventions of the Fair Work Act and union rules, of which 156 relate Mr Thomson and include 98 that could attract fines if proven in court. However, FWA did not find any criminal behaviour that could have attracted a jail sentence of a year or more, an outcome that would disqualify Mr Thomson from parliament and potentially bring down the Labor minority government. Mr Thomson said in a statement he would defend all allegations and denied any wrongdoing. He also attacked FWA for being unfair in its investigation - which started as an inquiry following media reports about him in April 2009 - and breaching its own legislation. The report found multiple failings regarding the union’s financial controls, including a lack of rules governing credit card use, no proper auditing and officials’ wages being set without checks by the union’s national bodies. Mr Thomson is alleged to have spent more than $71,000 in HSU funds on his campaign for the federal seat of Dobell, as well as almost $200,000 on national office staffers connected to his campaign. After being elected, he charged $1425 to two union credit cards for meals and taxis. Between 2002 and 2007, he made more than $103,000 in cash withdrawals on a CBA Mastercard, not all of which could be shown to have been for “legitimate union purposes“, the report said. And not all of $73,849 spent on credit cards for dining or entertainment between 2002 to 2007 was for legitimate union purposes, it said. Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten said the report was “disturbing”. He said the conduct of HSU officials referred to in the FWA report had “no place in a modern, democratic and honest trade union movement”. “I must say I find the findings of the report disturbing,” Mr Shorten told reporters in Canberra on Monday. “I find them extremely disappointing as a former union official.” Prime Minister Julia Gillard told her Labor caucus on Monday, in a veiled reference to the HSU affair, that Labor believed a “worker’s dollar” should be used properly, be it by the government, unions or business. HEY LONGIDIOT! So where are all these crimes against humanity longloser? The crimes against minors? Crimes against itinerant sheep? Longliar? All these supposed crimes that you claimed? Longtroll? Where are they? What are they? You've been trumpeting them for a year now. ANOTHER investigation failed to find all these horrendous crimes that you've been alluding to. C'mon longfool, out with it. We want details man! Where are the crimes that were going to see Thompson gaoled for years to come? Hmm? borntowhine?

because DIMWIT... it was the FWA, headed up by an ALP candidate for president and filled with union stooges. even the FWA couldnt clear him of wrong doing. The police however (remember the raid bozo?) arent filled with union stooges and their investigations are ongoing. You keep telling me that the police found no case to answer but the raid... remember that?

skippy. wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

Gist wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 11:44am: john_g wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 11:23am: FWA is either Labor affiliated, or ridiculously incompetent. Taking 4 years to complete these investigations?? Thomson is alleged to have breached 156 contraventions, and I am sure that WHEN, not if, he is found guilty, he'll get more than just a few fines. For me, this is not about political gain. It's about ethics and fairness. I want him brought to justice for stealing and using the money of others (especially bearing in mind that these people do some of the most disgusting work imaginable, for very little money) for prostitutes, airfare, dining and election campaigning. If it brings down the government, then that is just an added bonus. Are you indeed? How sure? You're very sure about something you obviously have little information about that's for sure. Alleged 156 breaches, each attracting a fine of up to about $2,000. If they're all upheld and maximum fines applied then he could be deeply out of pocket. And stealing you say? Stealing is a criminal offence. There's been no allegations of criminal offences. So you can be sure you're wrong on that point as well. I saw Geoge Brandis on ABC 24 news breakfast this morning, he said and I quote that "Thomson STOLE money", the breakfast host got him to repeat it, probably so Thomson can sue his butt. She couldn't believe how stupid Brandis was,then about half way through the interview Brandis realised he was on TV and not covered by parliamentary privilege, he back tracked so fast even he couldn't believe it, but tough luck Georgie, ya said it, and its on record, your butt will be Thomsons.  ;D

then let him just TRY and sue... he tried that onice before when a newspaper printed that he used union money for prostitutes.  then he had to withdraw it because there was PROOF.  if this idiot is stupid enough to sue - yet again - over a claim that he stole money when that is pretty damned obvious then go for it. He can only lose his shirt and his freedom.

Hey gISTY,

How much are we productive people paying you each week through CENTERLINK ?

longweekend58 wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

skippy. wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 12:09pm: Gist wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 11:44am: john_g wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 11:23am: FWA is either Labor affiliated, or ridiculously incompetent. Taking 4 years to complete these investigations?? Thomson is alleged to have breached 156 contraventions, and I am sure that WHEN, not if, he is found guilty, he'll get more than just a few fines. For me, this is not about political gain. It's about ethics and fairness. I want him brought to justice for stealing and using the money of others (especially bearing in mind that these people do some of the most disgusting work imaginable, for very little money) for prostitutes, airfare, dining and election campaigning. If it brings down the government, then that is just an added bonus. Are you indeed? How sure? You're very sure about something you obviously have little information about that's for sure. Alleged 156 breaches, each attracting a fine of up to about $2,000. If they're all upheld and maximum fines applied then he could be deeply out of pocket. And stealing you say? Stealing is a criminal offence. There's been no allegations of criminal offences. So you can be sure you're wrong on that point as well. I saw Geoge Brandis on ABC 24 news breakfast this morning, he said and I quote that "Thomson STOLE money", the breakfast host got him to repeat it, probably so Thomson can sue his butt. She couldn't believe how stupid Brandis was,then about half way through the interview Brandis realised he was on TV and not covered by parliamentary privilege, he back tracked so fast even he couldn't believe it, but tough luck Georgie, ya said it, and its on record, your butt will be Thomsons.  ;D then let him just TRY and sue... he tried that onice before when a newspaper printed that he used union money for prostitutes.  then he had to withdraw it because there was PROOF.  if this idiot is stupid enough to sue - yet again - over a claim that he stole money when that is pretty damned obvious then go for it. He can only lose his shirt and his freedom.

Everything that you have said is completely accurate, but these lefties don't like the facts. They still think that Thomson could actually be innocent. Either that, or they just don't care, these so called Socialists couldn't care less about some of lowest payed workers being stolen from, and don't want him charged, because it would hurt their political desires. Hypocritical and gutless.

skippy. wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 12:44pm:

john_g wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 12:27pm: Only time will tell. These allegations confirm what we already knew. The case is far from over, so let's just wait and see what happens. The fact that anyone can support him still being in Parliament is beyond me, and shows me that you care more about your own political interests than you do about fairness, justice and ethics. Or maybe we just care more about our country than the people willing to hand phony Tony the PMship on a silver platter. If you think Gillard is bad you ain't seen nothing yet.

You'd rather see our almost $200bn debt go even higher? You'd rather leave the country to suffer under the neanderthals that Gillard has surrounded herself with? You'd rather hundreds more die on people smuggling boats than have Gillard/Bowen come up with a sensible solution and stop blaming Abbott for their mistakes? I think you'd be more at home living in Greece than here. Labor's electoral massacre cannot come soon enough.