Greens refuse to scale back carbon tax.   :)
May 6, 2012.  THE AGE.

AAP

The Australian Greens are flatly refusing to renegotiate aspects of Labor's carbon tax, insisting a compensation package will adequately cover additional costs to most households.   :)

The minor party also warned that the government's budget, due to be delivered on Tuesday, had been designed around the tax.

The federal government is under pressure from within its own ranks to address the impact the carbon tax is likely to have on the cost of living from July 1.


Labor MPs believe the carbon tax is killing the government in the electorate where support for the ALP is at near-record lows.

Speculation is rife that a significant number of them, including some who backed Julia Gillard over Kevin Rudd in February's leadership showdown, are looking at dumping the prime minister and scaling back the $23-a-tonne carbon tax.

Greens leader Christine Milne is having none of the latter, even though she concedes her party might have to renegotiate a post-2010 election agreement with a new prime minister.

"We won't be renegotiating the clean energy package," she said on Sunday, adding it was something the minor party had fought really hard to negotiate.   :)

Senator Milne said the package's compensation measures were designed to cover the higher costs households would bear because of the tax.

Some low-income families and pensioners would be over-compensated, she said.

Senator Milne warned that the government's budget, including an increase in the low-tax threshold, was at risk if the carbon tax package was scaled back.   ;)

"You can't actually just fiddle with one part of the carbon price without fiddling with the whole package," she said.

Finance Minister Penny Wong admits the carbon tax is a challenge for the government.

"There's no doubt it's a difficult policy but I think it's an important reform for the future," she said on Sunday.

Steep hikes in electricity and gas charges have preceded the yet-to-be-felt impact the carbon tax will have on household power bills.

Senator Milne attributes those increases to infrastructure costs but acknowledges there was a "widely-speculated" view that the carbon tax was to blame.

"But that's really up to the government and the Greens and the corporate sector, to go out and be truthful about what's going on."

The Greens leader reiterated her view that a future coalition government would not be able to repeal the tax.   :)

"It won't be blown up," she said.

Senator Milne refused to acknowledge there might be a special case for a number of surprise names included in a government list of Australia's 250 biggest polluters.

La Trobe University, Brisbane City and ethanol producer Shoalhaven Starches are among the entities that will have to pay the carbon tax from July 1.

"They won't be cut slack in terms of the threshold," she said of polluters emitting more than 25,000 tonnes of carbon emissions.   :)

"If you are going to make rules saying that there is a limit and above that, you'll pay, then that's the case."

© 2012 AAP

No grounds to renegotiate. Good on the Greens.

Also Abbott supporters, wake up.

Abbott is lying about reversing the carbon pricing mechanism. 

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The Carbon Tax Will Be Here To Stay.

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Nice Try Better Luck Next Time :) :) :)

Hell No!  We wont subsidize your failed Neo-Liberal, Neo-Conservative Free Trade Global Economy.  No more economic sanctions placed on Australians by lying greedy corporate maggots. :) :) :)

The Carbon Tax Will Be Here To Stay.

The plan is for only 2 or 3 years of fixed price before going to a carbon trading scheme, In my view the fixed price is a much better system.

Nobody will ever pay a cent in tax during this process and no money ever goes to the Australian Tax office, I find it difficult to justify the term carbon tax.

It is dishonest to call it that.

Millions of families will see cost of living rise as a result of the carbon tax - which will do nothing for global emissions.

This policy is the direct reason why Labor currently are the most unpopular Government in history.

Hyper Greens push for a Carbon Tax and world Government domination, whist moderates just clean up the beach... :) :) :) :)

heheh the carbon tax is falling apart right along with labor.

You wish! Tony Abbott, the rightful PM, will rid us of this pathetic, shambolic and fradulent tax, which will do nothing to help the temperature, but will affect our economy and standard of living. I wonder why the red-headed bitch was stupid enough to do it in the first place. Did she really think that we were going to forgive her? Did she think we'd actually be that stupid? She fell for the Green's BLUFF hook, line and sinker, as of they would withdraw support and cross over to the Coalition. She has only set the Labor party back a generation, if not more.

The major parties would do much better to stop appointing and pre-selecting neo liberals & neo conservatives and Hyper Greens, especially if they are expansionist, hell bent on world domination, world government, have histories of sociopathic tendencies, corporate brown nosers, sex scandals, deception, coruption and fraud... :) :) :) :)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 12:23pm:

Millions of families will see cost of living rise as a result of the carbon tax - which will do nothing for global emissions. This policy is the direct reason why Labor currently are the most unpopular Government in history.

aNDREI, YOUR FAVOURITE GOVERNMENT JUSTIFIED KILLING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE ON THE GROUNDS IT WAS EMBARRASED ON GLOBAL LIVE TELEVISION!

ALTHOUGH, APPARENTLY, NO JUMPERS WERE SEEN ON THE LIVE BROADCAST!

NOW THAT IS A COSPIRACY!!

You really are a crack-head.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

You really are a crack-head.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2cl-IJ1S15o/TtznKA8YXII/AAAAAAAAAKg/_2z9XJzhirk/s1600/9_11_Jumpers_TRUE_STORIES__.jpg

= revenge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  ::) ::) ::)

9/11 was indeed a revenge attack. Karma and all that. What comes around goes around. Treat people how you would like to be treated, that too.

That's why I don't have to worry about terrorists, I treat people with respect and I get it back.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 3:58pm:

9/11 was indeed a revenge attack. Karma and all that. What comes around goes around. Treat people how you would like to be treated, that too. That's why I don't have to worry about terrorists, I treat people with respect and I get it back.

yES, WHILE THIS IS ALL BY-AND-LARGE TRUE IT'S STILL STRUCTURAL CHANGE AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO BOTHER WITH POLITICS THEN.....

Dnarever wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 10:10am:

The Carbon Tax Will Be Here To Stay. The plan is for only 2 or 3 years of fixed price before going to a carbon trading scheme, In my view the fixed price is a much better system. Nobody will ever pay a cent in tax during this process and no money ever goes to the Australian Tax office, I find it difficult to justify the term carbon tax. It is dishonest to call it that.

because THAT is the only dishonesty you see?

this is why people laugh at labor and their die-hard supporters.

a new election and a possible DD election is all that is needed to remove the carbon tax. and with a massive mandate by teh voters that's EXACTYL what will happen.

longweekend58 wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:11pm:

a new election and a possible DD election is all that is needed to remove the carbon tax. and with a massive mandate by teh voters that's EXACTYL what will happen.

you really are stupid sometimes .... even if that was to happen, and I don't agree that it will happen at all, he simply can't afford it .. with all the promises he has been making, he just cannot afford to remove the carbon tax ... the libs will get rid of Abbott before they get rid of the carbon tax

longweekend58 wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 10:10am: The Carbon Tax Will Be Here To Stay. The plan is for only 2 or 3 years of fixed price before going to a carbon trading scheme, In my view the fixed price is a much better system. Nobody will ever pay a cent in tax during this process and no money ever goes to the Australian Tax office, I find it difficult to justify the term carbon tax. It is dishonest to call it that. because THAT is the only dishonesty you see? this is why people laugh at labor and their die-hard supporters.

Well then how about you just trot off to the Tax office and see if you can give them some carbon tax.

longweekend58 wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:11pm:

a new election and a possible DD election is all that is needed to remove the carbon tax. and with a massive mandate by teh voters that's EXACTYL what will happen.

An election in 15 months or so and a very unlikely DD in 2015 which would be likely to see the conservatives lose seats.

Then they would still have to pay for removing the system, not take the income generated while still spending billions on the committed outgoing cost side of the equation in tax relief etc which they are committed to keeping all unfunded.

They very likely can not get it through Parliament.

They can not have a DD.

When they can have a DD the risk is too great for them.

If they get a result from a DD in 2015 which is unlikely as by this time the Carbon price may not be very unpopular and the liberals probably on the nose with voters they then have to find massive funding, locking in many years of deficit or sugnificant pain to the electorate - maybe both.

They are not that stupid – well I hope not anyway.

Dnarever wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:16pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 7:10pm: Dnarever wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 10:10am: The Carbon Tax Will Be Here To Stay. The plan is for only 2 or 3 years of fixed price before going to a carbon trading scheme, In my view the fixed price is a much better system. Nobody will ever pay a cent in tax during this process and no money ever goes to the Australian Tax office, I find it difficult to justify the term carbon tax. It is dishonest to call it that. because THAT is the only dishonesty you see? this is why people laugh at labor and their die-hard supporters. Well then how about you just trot off to the Tax office and see if you can give them some carbon tax.

well there are several hundred companies which wil be doing exactly that. And in return they will be billing US for the cost. But honestly, arguing about a semantic issue like this is typical of the blind obedience to your leader that ignores the reality that she lied broek a promise and implemented a policy everyone hates and she promised to oppose.

She is a liar. and it IS a carbon tax.

Dnarever wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 7:11pm: a new election and a possible DD election is all that is needed to remove the carbon tax. and with a massive mandate by teh voters that's EXACTYL what will happen. An election in 15 months or so and a very unlikely DD in 2015 which would be likely to see the conservatives lose seats. Then they would still have to pay for removing the system, not take the income generated while still spending billions on the committed outgoing cost side of the equation in tax relief etc which they are committed to keeping all unfunded. They very likely can not get it through Parliament. They can not have a DD. When they can have a DD the risk is too great for them. If they get a result from a DD in 2015 which is unlikely as by this time the Carbon price may not be very unpopular and the liberals probably on the nose with voters they then have to find massive funding, locking in many years of deficit or sugnificant pain to the electorate - maybe both. They are not that stupid – well I hope not anyway.

as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters. this policy alone is going to give Abbott a record-breaking majority and the undeniable mandate to repeal it. If the ALP are stupiud enough not to accept this mandate and vote for the repeal then the DD that follows will cause them great harm. Do your history on DDs and early elections. live and learn.

longweekend58 wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters. this policy alone is going to give Abbott a record-breaking majority and the undeniable mandate to repeal it. If the ALP are stupiud enough not to accept this mandate and vote for the repeal then the DD that follows will cause them great harm. Do your history on DDs and early elections. live and learn.

Of which 90%+ have not a clue about the tax and how it works. Poor sales job to date by the government, I grant you. But that can change.

Gist wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 7:53pm: as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters. this policy alone is going to give Abbott a record-breaking majority and the undeniable mandate to repeal it. If the ALP are stupiud enough not to accept this mandate and vote for the repeal then the DD that follows will cause them great harm. Do your history on DDs and early elections. live and learn. Of which 90%+ have not a clue about the tax and how it works. Poor sales job to date by the government, I grant you. But that can change.

keep dreaming and looking at newspoll. people know what it is, they just dont WANT IT especially after being promised it wouldnt be brought in. and you simply cane argue away the huge breach of trust. It is killing them. Some people oppose the CT because of the breach of promise despite being intrinsically in support of the policy. in a democracy, it is a seriosu breach to break promises so quickly and so explicitly. Gillard is about to be electorally smashed as a result. get used to it.

Gist wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 7:53pm: as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters. this policy alone is going to give Abbott a record-breaking majority and the undeniable mandate to repeal it. If the ALP are stupiud enough not to accept this mandate and vote for the repeal then the DD that follows will cause them great harm. Do your history on DDs and early elections. live and learn. Of which 90%+ have not a clue about the tax and how it works. Poor sales job to date by the government, I grant you. But that can change.

as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters

There are many things that are hated by the vast majority of voters such as ALL TAXES, pollies super, voting, pollies in general, working for a living..the list goes on forever but leaders are not there to be popular they are there to lead.
The last thing we need is a populist with no regard to this countries future.

adelcrow wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 8:23pm:

Gist wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 8:13pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 7:53pm: as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters. this policy alone is going to give Abbott a record-breaking majority and the undeniable mandate to repeal it. If the ALP are stupiud enough not to accept this mandate and vote for the repeal then the DD that follows will cause them great harm. Do your history on DDs and early elections. live and learn. Of which 90%+ have not a clue about the tax and how it works. Poor sales job to date by the government, I grant you. But that can change. as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters There are many things that are hated by the vast majority of voters such as ALL TAXES, pollies super, voting, pollies in general, working for a living..the list goes on forever but leaders are not there to be popular they are there to lead. The last thing we need is a populist with no regard to this countries future.

so when howard does something you dont like it is wrong but when gillard does something universally reviled it is ok?

it is an interesting standard you apply.

mind you the question is a good one for serious debate. All we need now is a serious forum full of serious people and an effective troll filter in place, Do you know of such a place?

longweekend58 wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 8:30pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 8:23pm: Gist wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 8:13pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 7:53pm: as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters. this policy alone is going to give Abbott a record-breaking majority and the undeniable mandate to repeal it. If the ALP are stupiud enough not to accept this mandate and vote for the repeal then the DD that follows will cause them great harm. Do your history on DDs and early elections. live and learn. Of which 90%+ have not a clue about the tax and how it works. Poor sales job to date by the government, I grant you. But that can change. as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters There are many things that are hated by the vast majority of voters such as ALL TAXES, pollies super, voting, pollies in general, working for a living..the list goes on forever but leaders are not there to be popular they are there to lead. The last thing we need is a populist with no regard to this countries future. so when howard does something you dont like it is wrong but when gillard does something universally reviled it is ok? it is an interesting standard you apply. mind you the question is a good one for serious debate. All we need now is a serious forum full of serious people and an effective troll filter in place, Do you know of such a place?

Howard did many things I praised at the time on the Yahoo forums and most of them were very unpopular with the public.
I am wary of any pollie no matter what party they belong to that plays populist politics..I want leaders to lead not to be simpering fools.

Say goodbye to the Carbon Tax Suckholes... :) :) :) :)

Johnsmith wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 7:11pm: a new election and a possible DD election is all that is needed to remove the carbon tax. and with a massive mandate by teh voters that's EXACTYL what will happen. you really are stupid sometimes .... even if that was to happen, and I don't agree that it will happen at all, he simply can't afford it .. with all the promises he has been making, he just cannot afford to remove the carbon tax ... the libs will get rid of Abbott before they get rid of the carbon tax

How can Labor afford to have the carbon tax? They're promising nearly $1000 per student for parents who have kids in high school, yet if you believe Labor, most of the money collected from the carbon tax will be handed back as compensation. Where's the money coming from? Labor are too stupid for their own good.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 3:58pm:

9/11 was indeed a revenge attack. Karma and all that. What comes around goes around. Treat people how you would like to be treated, that too. That's why I don't have to worry about terrorists, I treat people with respect and I get it back.

...unless you party at Bali or catch domestic flights in the USA.

I'm sure your friends would offer you the chance of martyrdom before crashing you and everyone else into a tall building....

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 11:08pm:

How can Labor afford to have the carbon tax? They're promising nearly $1000 per student for parents who have kids in high school, yet if you believe Labor, most of the money collected from the carbon tax will be handed back as compensation. Where's the money coming from? Labor are too stupid for their own good.

I thought you had all the answers to that. After all, you were telling us what was supposed to be in the todays budget a week ago.  :P

And it's $840 per year for a kid in high school and only applies to some families. The money is already there... it's money that parents have been able to claim through their tax return and haven't. This makes sure they get their entitlement so it's not anything new at all.

And what exactly does any of this have to do with a carbon tax anyway? Honestly, you one thought wonders ...

adelcrow wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 8:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 8:30pm: adelcrow wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 8:23pm: Gist wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 8:13pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 7:53pm: as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters. this policy alone is going to give Abbott a record-breaking majority and the undeniable mandate to repeal it. If the ALP are stupiud enough not to accept this mandate and vote for the repeal then the DD that follows will cause them great harm. Do your history on DDs and early elections. live and learn. Of which 90%+ have not a clue about the tax and how it works. Poor sales job to date by the government, I grant you. But that can change. as usual you are missing the truth of the matter. the carbon tax is HATED by a 65% majority of voters There are many things that are hated by the vast majority of voters such as ALL TAXES, pollies super, voting, pollies in general, working for a living..the list goes on forever but leaders are not there to be popular they are there to lead. The last thing we need is a populist with no regard to this countries future. so when howard does something you dont like it is wrong but when gillard does something universally reviled it is ok? it is an interesting standard you apply. mind you the question is a good one for serious debate. All we need now is a serious forum full of serious people and an effective troll filter in place, Do you know of such a place? Howard did many things I praised at the time on the Yahoo forums and most of them were very unpopular with the public. I am wary of any pollie no matter what party they belong to that plays populist politics..I want leaders to lead not to be simpering fools.

true leaders sometimes have to lie to their electorate and sometimes have to lead against the popular opinion. However, that is where tru leadership is shown by knowning WHEN to do that and when not to. Not simply to survive or remain popular but rather to do 'the right thing'. It is a pretty hard issue to define. Howard did it well. Hawke did it pretty well but Rudd and Gillard are hopeless on it.

longweekend58 wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 12:12pm:

true leaders sometimes have to lie to their electorate and sometimes have to lead against the popular opinion. However, that is where tru leadership is shown by knowning WHEN to do that and when not to. Not simply to survive or remain popular but rather to do 'the right thing'. It is a pretty hard issue to define. Howard did it well. Hawke did it pretty well but Rudd and Gillard are hopeless on it.

Ahh... ok, I see. So the whole throwing children overboard thing, that was for our own good? Nothing to do with Howard's re-election chances? And of course, he HAD to lie about weapons of mass destruction otherwise we would have missed out on a war - and look at all the good that came out of that for us! We'd have missed out on being 17 billion poorer for a start!

Whereas carbon taxes are all about Gillard getting herself re-elected. And look at how well that's doing! They've got it in the bag! Abbott may as well go home now!!!

Oh longhypocrite you do amaze me. Truly, laugh a minute you are.  ;D ;D ;D

The Corporation Maggot control grid is fast becoming yesterdays news, things like the Carbon Tax are last ditch efforts to fund an economy drowning in its own debt.  Now lets get serious, the only regulation that should be coming from Government should be against regressive corporate activities to control the free flow of information on the Internet because this is the true assault on progress and innovation.  ACTA is a crime on innovation.  Corporations are holding back the wheels of progress, propping up  useless corporate welfare maggots on undeserved massive salaries that amount to handouts.  The Government must act to curb corporate control freaks and it must act to repeal the carbon tax.
:) :) :) :)

longweekend58 wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 7:51pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 7:16pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 7:10pm: Dnarever wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 10:10am: The Carbon Tax Will Be Here To Stay. The plan is for only 2 or 3 years of fixed price before going to a carbon trading scheme, In my view the fixed price is a much better system. Nobody will ever pay a cent in tax during this process and no money ever goes to the Australian Tax office, I find it difficult to justify the term carbon tax. It is dishonest to call it that. because THAT is the only dishonesty you see? this is why people laugh at labor and their die-hard supporters. Well then how about you just trot off to the Tax office and see if you can give them some carbon tax. well there are several hundred companies which wil be doing exactly that. And in return they will be billing US for the cost. But honestly, arguing about a semantic issue like this is typical of the blind obedience to your leader that ignores the reality that she lied broek a promise and implemented a policy everyone hates and she promised to oppose. She is a liar. and it IS a carbon tax.

well there are several hundred companies which wil be doing exactly that.

That is the point - no they won't be paying one cent to the Australian tax office, do you not understand nobody ever pays any tax in this process - never ever.

If the Greens are not terrified of information, change and technology...then why are they trying to control it or ban it with a carbon tax... ::) ::) ::)

Technology can be very good!

Therefore... ALL TECHNOLOGY IS GOOD!

GET ME SOME COCAINE MIXED WITH ASBESTOS THESE ARE MADE VIA TECHNOLOGY AND THEREFORE GOOD.

Did you know that the goodness of a technology does not go down with time? The first stone hand axes are just as good as modern steel ones. Excuse me I need to go cut some firewood with a rock chip.

Green technology is the only technology to replace an older tech ever making it EVIL!

You regressives cannot stop progress with sleight of hand, you cant control it, you cant stop it... ;D ;D ;D ;D

Thank goodness we have Corporate Whitey to determine what is progress for us.

All technology would stop without him.

Fortunately humanity is having an intellectual awakening and that is why regressives and conservatives like the Greens are shyting themselves... :) :) :)

Propaganda has no currency in the new economy..what skills and what information do you have...? Behold...I will see you in the clouds... :) :) :)

The regressives fear what we know... :)