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its deteriorating to the point of being scary.

at least this didnt happen in longys day.

cods wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 8:23am:

appearing on Politicians Suck http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1336296358 its deteriorating to the point of being scary. at least this didnt happen in longys day.

I agree with you cods, that is disgusting. The problem is when people get banned, like longweekend did last week they come back with a sock, like longweekend did last week. This time I'd say the person that wrote that is corporate whitey who is often banned, or matty who has also been banned recently. What we need to have done is peoples IP address needs to be banned, not just the user name, that is why they manage to post here while they are banned.

cods wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 8:23am:

appearing on Politicians Suck http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1336296358 its deteriorating to the point of being scary. at least this didnt happen in longys day.

What actual words are you referring to?

skippy. wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 8:28am:

cods wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 8:23am: appearing on Politicians Suck http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1336296358 its deteriorating to the point of being scary. at least this didnt happen in longys day. I agree with you cods, that is disgusting. The problem is when people get banned, like longweekend did last week they come back with a sock, like longweekend did last week. This time I'd say the person that wrote that is corporate whitey who is often banned, or matty who has also been banned recently. What we need to have done is peoples IP address needs to be banned, not just the user name, that is why they manage to post here while they are banned.

Most ppl have dynamic IPs. To ban their IP you would have to ban everyone on their ISP in the area.

SOB

Oh come on. Its a forum. If you ban too many words ppl wont be able to talk. In fact I am offended by the word "god". I think that word should be banned.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 10:59am:

skippy. wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 8:28am: cods wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 8:23am: appearing on Politicians Suck http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1336296358 its deteriorating to the point of being scary. at least this didnt happen in longys day. I agree with you cods, that is disgusting. The problem is when people get banned, like longweekend did last week they come back with a sock, like longweekend did last week. This time I'd say the person that wrote that is corporate whitey who is often banned, or matty who has also been banned recently. What we need to have done is peoples IP address needs to be banned, not just the user name, that is why they manage to post here while they are banned. Most ppl have dynamic IPs. To ban their IP you would have to ban everyone on their ISP in the area. SOB

Cool, that would get rid of their sox too. ;D ;D
On a serious note, many forums do ban IP addresses.

skippy. wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 11:15am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 10:59am: skippy. wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 8:28am: cods wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 8:23am: appearing on Politicians Suck http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1336296358 its deteriorating to the point of being scary. at least this didnt happen in longys day. I agree with you cods, that is disgusting. The problem is when people get banned, like longweekend did last week they come back with a sock, like longweekend did last week. This time I'd say the person that wrote that is corporate whitey who is often banned, or matty who has also been banned recently. What we need to have done is peoples IP address needs to be banned, not just the user name, that is why they manage to post here while they are banned. Most ppl have dynamic IPs. To ban their IP you would have to ban everyone on their ISP in the area. SOB Cool, that would get rid of their sox too. ;D ;D On a serious note, many forums do ban IP addresses.

Yeah. I used to. But that was when ppl had static ips. Really now its a lottery. I cant even ban the spammer ips cause they use same isps as us.

SOB

Why ban everyone who says something you don't like. The person that is offended by it should just read past that particular post and move on.
Free speech rules!

There will be enough banning when we get the internet filter.

It's the internet, people will troll you and they will say things to get people riled up.

If every little thing that offends you on the internet got banned, there'd be little left to read.

Ignore stupidity.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 11:16am:

Yeah. I used to. But that was when ppl had static ips. Really now its a lottery. I cant even ban the spammer ips cause they use same isps as us. SOB

You're right, almost everyone has a dynamic address these days. Banning by IP address is pointless.

BUT!

The address you get will stay with you for as long as you have a connection to the ISP. It'll often even survive short dropouts. So how often does your ADSL modem reconnect to the ISP? Not often. Most people tend to have the same IP address for many, many days, possibly weeks or months.

When a sock starts to post crud, it isn't hard to check what other posters have used that IP address. If there's a match with a banned poster then the sock can be banned immediately. This isn't a sure-fired solution (and yes, there are ways around it) but it'd provide some measures.

Gist wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 11:16am: Yeah. I used to. But that was when ppl had static ips. Really now its a lottery. I cant even ban the spammer ips cause they use same isps as us. SOB You're right, almost everyone has a dynamic address these days. Banning by IP address is pointless. BUT! The address you get will stay with you for as long as you have a connection to the ISP. It'll often even survive short dropouts. So how often does your ADSL modem reconnect to the ISP? Not often. Most people tend to have the same IP address for many, many days, possibly weeks or months. When a sock starts to post crud, it isn't hard to check what other posters have used that IP address. If there's a match with a banned poster then the sock can be banned immediately. This isn't a sure-fired solution (and yes, there are ways around it) but it'd provide some measures.

I am with iinet and my IP changes every 2-3 days whether i am online or not (and i usually am which is infinitely annoying). iinet is pretty big ISP i cant be the only one.

SOB

Well it took just 3 hours to deal with it. That's not bad for a holiday Monday.

Holiday Monday? What holiday?? I'm at work busily working (most of the time).

You mods get it too good...  ;)

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 12:18pm:

I am with iinet and my IP changes every 2-3 days whether i am online or not (and i usually am which is infinitely annoying). iinet is pretty big ISP i cant be the only one. SOB

That seems bizarre. Yet, now that you mention it I haven't really checked since I got swapped to my current ISP (also iinet). I'll have to see if they're doing the same thing to me.

Gist wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

Holiday Monday? What holiday?? I'm at work busily working (most of the time). You mods get it too good...  ;)

Sorry, I forgot :) In Queensland, it's Labour Day Holiday.

this is a site to check your IP address or anyone else that you have.

http://whatismyipaddress.com/

This one will Perform forensic analysis of name and email servers, path analysis, authenticate and locate domains.

Also keeps an eye on blacklists and monitor web, email and name server compliance and connectivity.

http://www.dnsstuff.com/

skippy. wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 8:28am:

cods wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 8:23am: appearing on Politicians Suck http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1336296358 its deteriorating to the point of being scary. at least this didnt happen in longys day. I agree with you cods, that is disgusting. The problem is when people get banned, like longweekend did last week they come back with a sock, like longweekend did last week. This time I'd say the person that wrote that is corporate whitey who is often banned, or matty who has also been banned recently. What we need to have done is peoples IP address needs to be banned, not just the user name, that is why they manage to post here while they are banned.

I dont understand how you know all these people have been banned??????..and how you pick them as using another ID....

I have found the political board has deteriorated in recent times..not blaming anyone in particular...its just that if it isnt pointed out .. then it will continue will it not? and some enjoy stooping to as low as they can get.

I wont name them, but we can remove the swearing and the name calling like paedo..

but what about content..some of it is more than bad?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 12:18pm:

Gist wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 11:54am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 11:16am: Yeah. I used to. But that was when ppl had static ips. Really now its a lottery. I cant even ban the spammer ips cause they use same isps as us. SOB You're right, almost everyone has a dynamic address these days. Banning by IP address is pointless. BUT! The address you get will stay with you for as long as you have a connection to the ISP. It'll often even survive short dropouts. So how often does your ADSL modem reconnect to the ISP? Not often. Most people tend to have the same IP address for many, many days, possibly weeks or months. When a sock starts to post crud, it isn't hard to check what other posters have used that IP address. If there's a match with a banned poster then the sock can be banned immediately. This isn't a sure-fired solution (and yes, there are ways around it) but it'd provide some measures. I am with iinet and my IP changes every 2-3 days whether i am online or not (and i usually am which is infinitely annoying). iinet is pretty big ISP i cant be the only one. SOB

I'm on Big-Puddle wireless, and I get a new IP simply by re-booting the router.

Which I end up having to do several times a day....:-(

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 11:38am:

Why ban everyone who says something you don't like. The person that is offended by it should just read past that particular post and move on. Free speech rules! There will be enough banning when we get the internet filter. It's the internet, people will troll you and they will say things to get people riled up. If every little thing that offends you on the internet got banned, there'd be little left to read. Ignore stupidity.

Or call them on it.

John S wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 3:58pm:

this is a site to check your IP address or anyone else that you have.

/mod hat off
Nice site. I can make it report my IP address to be anything I want.

muso wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 7:48am:

John S wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 3:58pm: this is a site to check your IP address or anyone else that you have. /mod hat off Nice site. I can make it report my IP address to be anything I want.

Yea, I checked out that site, it said my location was 1000 kms from where I really am. :o

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I dont understand how you know all these people have been banned??????..and how you pick them as using another ID....

Well I can pick them because it is obvious from their posting that they are a banned member,well it was in longwhines case, read his sox posts, same typo/spelling mistakes,grammar, yudda yudda.
As for how I know they were banned, ever heard of a little birdy? ;D

skippy. wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 9:06am:

muso wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 7:48am: John S wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 3:58pm: this is a site to check your IP address or anyone else that you have. /mod hat off Nice site. I can make it report my IP address to be anything I want. Yea, I checked out that site, it said my location was 1000 kms from where I really am. :o

Another poster reported that it showed his location to be 1000 light years from where he thought he was.

Gist wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 12:52pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 12:18pm: I am with iinet and my IP changes every 2-3 days whether i am online or not (and i usually am which is infinitely annoying). iinet is pretty big ISP i cant be the only one. SOB That seems bizarre. Yet, now that you mention it I haven't really checked since I got swapped to my current ISP (also iinet). I'll have to see if they're doing the same thing to me.

My IP has changed twice this morning and its only 9:20. I hope this is not the new trend or I will have to change ISPS.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

Gist wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 12:52pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 12:18pm: I am with iinet and my IP changes every 2-3 days whether i am online or not (and i usually am which is infinitely annoying). iinet is pretty big ISP i cant be the only one. SOB That seems bizarre. Yet, now that you mention it I haven't really checked since I got swapped to my current ISP (also iinet). I'll have to see if they're doing the same thing to me. My IP has changed twice this morning and its only 9:20. I hope this is not the new trend or I will have to change ISPS. SOB

Are you talking about the IP address for your computer or for your modem? If your modem is constantly getting new addresses then it sounds like the modem keeps losing connection to the ISP and then re-establishes. When that happens it'll get a new address. This could mean a bad line or a faulty filter on the line. You might need a techo to come and check it out.

Gist wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 10:09am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:24am: Gist wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 12:52pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 12:18pm: I am with iinet and my IP changes every 2-3 days whether i am online or not (and i usually am which is infinitely annoying). iinet is pretty big ISP i cant be the only one. SOB That seems bizarre. Yet, now that you mention it I haven't really checked since I got swapped to my current ISP (also iinet). I'll have to see if they're doing the same thing to me. My IP has changed twice this morning and its only 9:20. I hope this is not the new trend or I will have to change ISPS. SOB Are you talking about the IP address for your computer or for your modem? If your modem is constantly getting new addresses then it sounds like the modem keeps losing connection to the ISP and then re-establishes. When that happens it'll get a new address. This could mean a bad line or a faulty filter on the line. You might need a techo to come and check it out.

No I had it out with them on the phone and they said they change my IP every few days. They said I have a dynamic IP so I have to suck it up. Really its the height of bad manners to change the IP when you are online and logged into things. Argh. Anyway I dunno why it happened twice this morning. Hasnt happened again so I will wait and see.

SOB

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 11:38am:

Why ban everyone who says something you don't like. The person that is offended by it should just read past that particular post and move on. Free speech rules! There will be enough banning when we get the internet filter. It's the internet, people will troll you and they will say things to get people riled up. If every little thing that offends you on the internet got banned, there'd be little left to read. Ignore stupidity.

I really think bobbys idea of each thread being moderated by it's starter will eventually be how forums work in the future!  :o :o :o

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 11:38am: Why ban everyone who says something you don't like. The person that is offended by it should just read past that particular post and move on. Free speech rules! There will be enough banning when we get the internet filter. It's the internet, people will troll you and they will say things to get people riled up. If every little thing that offends you on the internet got banned, there'd be little left to read. Ignore stupidity. I really think bobbys idea of each thread being moderated by it's starter will eventually be how forums work in the future!  :o :o :o

Thanks Death,
I should patent the idea.
I was the first person in the world to think of it.

Bobby. wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 1:54pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 1:50pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 11:38am: Why ban everyone who says something you don't like. The person that is offended by it should just read past that particular post and move on. Free speech rules! There will be enough banning when we get the internet filter. It's the internet, people will troll you and they will say things to get people riled up. If every little thing that offends you on the internet got banned, there'd be little left to read. Ignore stupidity. I really think bobbys idea of each thread being moderated by it's starter will eventually be how forums work in the future!  :o :o :o Thanks Death, I should patent the idea. I was the first person in the world to think of it.

Find a programmer and reach for the stars: it's a great idea that I'm sure is a technical nightmare but you know what they said: WHAT'S POSSIBLE IS DONE. WHATS IMPOSSIBLE WILL BE DONE!

  ;) ;)

IT'S A POWERFUL IDEA ALRIGHT: IMAGINE IT'S USABILITY AND,... IT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE FORUMS WORTH VISITING MATE IT IS THAT GRAND OF AN IDEA!

"O DIVINE ART OF SUBTLETY"(The Art of War!!)

Then, now the world could actually bother with forums as the troll problem would be under complete control, democracy might flourish and what then...

Buddy, you owe the world this gift!  :D :D :D :D :D

Just don't forget to pay the rent  ;)

Always plenty of programmers looking for projects to enhance their skills/cut their teeth btw!  8-)

Bobby. wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 1:54pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 1:50pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 11:38am: Why ban everyone who says something you don't like. The person that is offended by it should just read past that particular post and move on. Free speech rules! There will be enough banning when we get the internet filter. It's the internet, people will troll you and they will say things to get people riled up. If every little thing that offends you on the internet got banned, there'd be little left to read. Ignore stupidity. I really think bobbys idea of each thread being moderated by it's starter will eventually be how forums work in the future!  :o :o :o Thanks Death, I should patent the idea. I was the first person in the world to think of it.

Actually there was a dood who invented some software and now he gives advice to people about patents.

An aussie bloke who's software, about what I can't remember, was used by Microsoft and he had to enforce his rights and won I'm pretty sure.

It was on ABC or something a few weeks back!

  :o :o :o :o :o he might be worth talking to becoz this is exactly where Australians are supposed to get scammed big time!!

I wouldn't join a forum like that. Stifles discussion. 1 thread for each opinion.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 2:11pm:

I wouldn't join a forum like that. Stifles discussion. 1 thread for each opinion. SOB

That's right - you could start your own thread on the topic
& moderate it yourself.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 2:11pm:

I wouldn't join a forum like that. Stifles discussion. 1 thread for each opinion. SOB

Oh well, you're not the world!  ;) ;)

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 2:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 1:54pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 1:50pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 7th, 2012 at 11:38am: Why ban everyone who says something you don't like. The person that is offended by it should just read past that particular post and move on. Free speech rules! There will be enough banning when we get the internet filter. It's the internet, people will troll you and they will say things to get people riled up. If every little thing that offends you on the internet got banned, there'd be little left to read. Ignore stupidity. I really think bobbys idea of each thread being moderated by it's starter will eventually be how forums work in the future!  :o :o :o Thanks Death, I should patent the idea. I was the first person in the world to think of it. Find a programmer and reach for the stars: it's a great idea that I'm sure is a technical nightmare but you know what they said: WHAT'S POSSIBLE IS DONE. WHATS IMPOSSIBLE WILL BE DONE!   ;) ;) IT'S A POWERFUL IDEA ALRIGHT: IMAGINE IT'S USABILITY AND,... IT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE FORUMS WORTH VISITING MATE IT IS THAT GRAND OF AN IDEA! "O DIVINE ART OF SUBTLETY"(The Art of War!!) Then, now the world could actually bother with forums as the troll problem would be under complete control, democracy might flourish and what then... Buddy, you owe the world this gift!  :D :D :D :D :D Just don't forget to pay the rent  ;) Always plenty of programmers looking for projects to enhance their skills/cut their teeth btw!  8-)

You can't patent something if you have already gone public with it.

FD

Quote:

You can't patent something if you have already gone public with it.

Oh well , there's a million dollars gone.
I give the idea away for free.

Batty's ego  at it again.

NOT a new idea at all.  At least not to me. 

But my discussion with M  was more to do with the unsuitability of same. ::) :) 8-) [smiley=thumbdown.gif]

before this came up here. 
Why would ANYONE want to post to a thread run by,  Matty,  OR  Batty  ??

:-?

Jalane - you love replying to me.

You often join in with the Bobby & Nail show.  ;D

ah...but there is a difference my friend.

when neither you or I are mods, we meet as equals.  :) ;)

Emma wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 11:32pm:

ah...but there is a difference my friend. when neither you or I are mods, we meet as equals.  :) ;)

You would be equal on one of my threads.

why thank you Bat Brain, I think? :-? ::) :)

Emma wrote on May 9^th, 2012 at 12:29am:

why thank you Bat Brain, I think? :-? ::) :)

Equal on all of my threads.
The Bat is fair.

I think the 'Update Session' thing is a result of your IP address changing.

We all get annoyed and do a bit of name calling, never mind. But in the last few days the threads have turned toxic, and in particular the racist and bigoted  banter. I don't know if people think it funny to stir up this kind of feeling but it is appalling and denigrates all of us on this form. I feel sick when i read some of the race hate and intolerance that claim to be Australian. You are all far from Australian and need to look deep within yourselves and consider are you using you anonymity to express opinions you would not argue face to face because you know how repugnant they are.

nairbe wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 6:51am:

We all get annoyed and do a bit of name calling, never mind. But in the last few days the threads have turned toxic, and in particular the racist and bigoted  banter. I don't know if people think it funny to stir up this kind of feeling but it is appalling and denigrates all of us on this form. I feel sick when i read some of the race hate and intolerance that claim to be Australian. You are all far from Australian and need to look deep within yourselves and consider are you using you anonymity to express opinions you would not argue face to face because you know how repugnant they are.

There are no true scotsmen

SOB

I agree about the name calling. I notice that when freediver and tolerator have a discussion they dont call each other names but they both call me names or @ least try to insult me whenever they interact with me. Suspicious?

SOB

quote me

nairbe wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 6:51am:

We all get annoyed and do a bit of name calling, never mind. But in the last few days the threads have turned toxic, and in particular the racist and bigoted  banter. I don't know if people think it funny to stir up this kind of feeling but it is appalling and denigrates all of us on this form. I feel sick when i read some of the race hate and intolerance that claim to be Australian. You are all far from Australian and need to look deep within yourselves and consider are you using you anonymity to express opinions you would not argue face to face because you know how repugnant they are.

Why are topics of race automatically deemed as racist or bigoted? These are legitimate topics and have real concerns. If there is a certain race or nationality of people who is incompatible with liberal democracy then it is perfectly acceptable to point that out. There was a poster the other day (Adlecrow) who was sprouting the platitudes of "equality" and  "tolerance," but when I pointed out that some cultures have no time for this, he/she couldn't accept it and just resorted to irrelevant off the cuff remarks.

It is also paramount to highlight that adding "ist" on to the end of a word does not amount to any form of reasoned argument. It really just becomes a word equal to that of "c*cksucker," "bugger," or something else derogatory that in no way explains the issue under consideration.

Being offended is in no way an argument in itself. Everyone gets offended from time to time. Why should one person's "offence" be deemed more important than another's? I know that leftist types are effeminate in character so that explains why they're perpetually offended, but again, that's no argument.

Positions need a thesis statement and then evidence and/or augmentation that attempts to prove the thesis statement true. Saying "racist" doesn't cut it.

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Why are topics of race automatically deemed as racist or bigoted?

-MorningMist

The short answer MM, is that they are not.

However, if accusations are framed using Racist language, and using  bigoted Racial stereotyping that could commonly be accepted as offensive, then they are unlikely to be allowed to stand unchallenged, and if deemed as being deliberate attempts to be hateful, or to incite hatred, on racial grounds, then they may be removed, and the offender held accountable.

If you do really wish to discuss the issues in a serious manner, then some of the member run boards do allow members quite a degree of flexibility in how they present their views.
The Multiculturalism and Race Board, in particular, is probably the most appropriate place you could discuss any racial issues you want to.

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I know that leftist types are effeminate in character

Left leaning men are all weak and feminine pansy boys, while feminists are all hairy, ball busting dykish types.

Is that how you see it, Bolshie?

the multiculturalism/race board has been lacking proper moderators for years now.

JC Denton wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 2:34pm:

the multiculturalism/race board has been lacking proper moderators for years now.

Yes, which leaves it open for spamming by the likes of karnal and ko.

Giz the moderators keys freediver! 

karnals more a bad faith actor than a spammer

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 9:46am:

nairbe wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 6:51am: We all get annoyed and do a bit of name calling, never mind. But in the last few days the threads have turned toxic, and in particular the racist and bigoted  banter. I don't know if people think it funny to stir up this kind of feeling but it is appalling and denigrates all of us on this form. I feel sick when i read some of the race hate and intolerance that claim to be Australian. You are all far from Australian and need to look deep within yourselves and consider are you using you anonymity to express opinions you would not argue face to face because you know how repugnant they are. Why are topics of race automatically deemed as racist or bigoted? These are legitimate topics and have real concerns. If there is a certain race or nationality of people who is incompatible with liberal democracy then it is perfectly acceptable to point that out. There was a poster the other day (Adlecrow) who was sprouting the platitudes of "equality" and  "tolerance," but when I pointed out that some cultures have no time for this, he/she couldn't accept it and just resorted to irrelevant off the cuff remarks. It is also paramount to highlight that adding "ist" on to the end of a word does not amount to any form of reasoned argument. It really just becomes a word equal to that of "c*cksucker," "bugger," or something else derogatory that in no way explains the issue under consideration. Being offended is in no way an argument in itself. Everyone gets offended from time to time. Why should one person's "offence" be deemed more important than another's? I know that leftist types are effeminate in character so that explains why they're perpetually offended, but again, that's no argument. Positions need a thesis statement and then evidence and/or augmentation that attempts to prove the thesis statement true. Saying "racist" doesn't cut it.

Oi! bugger! Did you just call me c*cksucker?  >:(

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 9:46am:

nairbe wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 6:51am: We all get annoyed and do a bit of name calling, never mind. But in the last few days the threads have turned toxic, and in particular the racist and bigoted  banter. I don't know if people think it funny to stir up this kind of feeling but it is appalling and denigrates all of us on this form. I feel sick when i read some of the race hate and intolerance that claim to be Australian. You are all far from Australian and need to look deep within yourselves and consider are you using you anonymity to express opinions you would not argue face to face because you know how repugnant they are. Why are topics of race automatically deemed as racist or bigoted? These are legitimate topics and have real concerns. If there is a certain race or nationality of people who is incompatible with liberal democracy then it is perfectly acceptable to point that out. There was a poster the other day (Adlecrow) who was sprouting the platitudes of "equality" and  "tolerance," but when I pointed out that some cultures have no time for this, he/she couldn't accept it and just resorted to irrelevant off the cuff remarks. It is also paramount to highlight that adding "ist" on to the end of a word does not amount to any form of reasoned argument. It really just becomes a word equal to that of "c*cksucker," "bugger," or something else derogatory that in no way explains the issue under consideration. Being offended is in no way an argument in itself. Everyone gets offended from time to time. Why should one person's "offence" be deemed more important than another's? I know that leftist types are effeminate in character so that explains why they're perpetually offended, but again, that's no argument. Positions need a thesis statement and then evidence and/or augmentation that attempts to prove the thesis statement true. Saying "racist" doesn't cut it.

WOW, what an amazing outburst. Are you feeling sensitive about what you may have said in the past?

As you say there needs to be proof and reason to an argument, of which there is rarely any at all and none in what you have said. So let's see, here are two comments where do you think they lie in the scheme of things.

1.  those muslims are all rapists and terrorists and we don't want them.

2. the people from that country have suffered great oppression and war so may need help to make the   
    transition into our way of life.

One accuses these people of something with no point or evidence. A head line might be referenced but has nothing to do with real fact or reason as to the crime. the other points out that due to hardships faced that we are all aware of , we may need to be aware of issues they might face in making a successful transition to our way of life. They are big differences but they both raise questions based on race or religion.

cods wrote on May 7^th, 2012 at 8:23am:

appearing on Politicians Suck http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1336296358 its deteriorating to the point of being scary. at least this didnt happen in longys day.

Oh, it's not there anymore :-) problem solved I guess.

umm well yeah  - I haven't been posting much... on those....  rather nasty, and frankly, BORING topics.
I mean..Jeez, these people never give up their spite.!!  But they just go on repeating the same tripe.  I'm bored with 'em all.

nairbe wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

Why are topics of race automatically deemed as racist or bigoted? These are legitimate topics and have real concerns. If there is a certain race or nationality of people who is incompatible with liberal democracy then it is perfectly acceptable to point that out.

Oh right  ::)  Rubbish!!!   what'syaname?? Nothing acceptable about it - when presented in such a manner. The motive is so f'n plain....  FEAR & Hatred.

Ipso facto, a topic about race IS racist. It becomes bigoted when it involves personal opinion/comment which is entirely dedicated to perceived differences between peoples - thence to inadequacies or faults in the target peoples, and thence to an excuse to persecute them.

Such a simple UGLY process. !!! >:( :( :(

Emma wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 6:30pm:

umm well yeah  - I haven't been posting much... on those....  rather nasty, and frankly, BORING topics. I mean..Jeez, these people never give up their spite.!!  But they just go on repeating the same tripe.  I'm bored with 'em all.

What kind of topics would meet your approval? Perhaps you should start some?

SOB

As someone said earlier.. if you want to talk about it go to the more appropriate board. :)

and didn't my quote from ???  get id'ed as Nairbe, when it was MM who said it.??
I used the 'button',  I swear...!!6^%^%^^   ...so sorry to cast aspersions there Nairbe  - 'it weren't me, really.' I agree with YOU.

Emma wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 7:08pm:

As someone said earlier.. if you want to talk about it go to the more appropriate board. :)

Are you talking to me? You arent very friendly are you.

SOB

Emma wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 7:12pm:

and didn't my quote from ???  get id'ed as Nairbe, when it was MM who said it.?? I used the 'button',  I swear...!!6^%^%^^   ...so sorry to cast aspersions there Nairbe  - 'it weren't me, really.' I agree with YOU.

All's cool  8-)

No SOB .. not talking to you, specifically. Nor any other in particular. Haven't bothered looking at these topics lately, I admit, and don't know who is currently being a ratbag.

Just heard enough of it.
It serves no positive or helpful purpose for the people who read it.
. I'd call it destructive posting.

I have started a few posts in the past, .......  some have done well. At the moment I am not motivated by anything particular that is new. It all becomes rather repetitious after a few decades of observation. 
Never to learn from our mistakes....such foolish beings we are.

Emma wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

No SOB .. not talking to you, specifically. Nor any other in particular. Haven't bothered looking at these topics lately, I admit, and don't know who is currently being a ratbag. Just heard enough of it. It serves no positive or helpful purpose for the people who read it. . I'd call it destructive posting. I have started a few posts in the past, .......  some have done well. At the moment I am not motivated by anything particular that is new. It all becomes rather repetitious after a few decades of observation.  Never to learn from our mistakes....such foolish beings we are.

Ahh. Okay. Sorry then.

SOB

nairbe wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 9:46am: nairbe wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 6:51am: We all get annoyed and do a bit of name calling, never mind. But in the last few days the threads have turned toxic, and in particular the racist and bigoted  banter. I don't know if people think it funny to stir up this kind of feeling but it is appalling and denigrates all of us on this form. I feel sick when i read some of the race hate and intolerance that claim to be Australian. You are all far from Australian and need to look deep within yourselves and consider are you using you anonymity to express opinions you would not argue face to face because you know how repugnant they are. Why are topics of race automatically deemed as racist or bigoted? These are legitimate topics and have real concerns. If there is a certain race or nationality of people who is incompatible with liberal democracy then it is perfectly acceptable to point that out. There was a poster the other day (Adlecrow) who was sprouting the platitudes of "equality" and  "tolerance," but when I pointed out that some cultures have no time for this, he/she couldn't accept it and just resorted to irrelevant off the cuff remarks. It is also paramount to highlight that adding "ist" on to the end of a word does not amount to any form of reasoned argument. It really just becomes a word equal to that of "c*cksucker," "bugger," or something else derogatory that in no way explains the issue under consideration. Being offended is in no way an argument in itself. Everyone gets offended from time to time. Why should one person's "offence" be deemed more important than another's? I know that leftist types are effeminate in character so that explains why they're perpetually offended, but again, that's no argument. Positions need a thesis statement and then evidence and/or augmentation that attempts to prove the thesis statement true. Saying "racist" doesn't cut it. WOW, what an amazing outburst. Are you feeling sensitive about what you may have said in the past? As you say there needs to be proof and reason to an argument, of which there is rarely any at all and none in what you have said. So let's see, here are two comments where do you think they lie in the scheme of things. 1.  those muslims are all rapists and terrorists and we don't want them. 2. the people from that country have suffered great oppression and war so may need help to make the        transition into our way of life. One accuses these people of something with no point or evidence. A head line might be referenced but has nothing to do with real fact or reason as to the crime. the other points out that due to hardships faced that we are all aware of , we may need to be aware of issues they might face in making a successful transition to our way of life. They are big differences but they both raise questions based on race or religion.

Both those statements need context before any further comment.

Emma wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 6:46pm:

nairbe wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 6:17pm: Why are topics of race automatically deemed as racist or bigoted? These are legitimate topics and have real concerns. If there is a certain race or nationality of people who is incompatible with liberal democracy then it is perfectly acceptable to point that out. Oh right  ::)  Rubbish!!!   what'syaname?? Nothing acceptable about it - when presented in such a manner. The motive is so f'n plain....  FEAR & Hatred. Ipso facto, a topic about race IS racist. It becomes bigoted when it involves personal opinion/comment which is entirely dedicated to perceived differences between peoples - thence to inadequacies or faults in the target peoples, and thence to an excuse to persecute them. Such a simple UGLY process. !!! >:( :( :(

Umm ... you are quoting me, not nairbe.

What debate doesn't revolve around differences, inadequacies, and faults? This is what debate is.

Emma wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

No SOB .. not talking to you, specifically. Nor any other in particular. Haven't bothered looking at these topics lately, I admit, and don't know who is currently being a ratbag. Just heard enough of it. It serves no positive or helpful purpose for the people who read it. . I'd call it destructive posting. I have started a few posts in the past, .......  some have done well. At the moment I am not motivated by anything particular that is new. It all becomes rather repetitious after a few decades of observation.  Never to learn from our mistakes....such foolish beings we are.

as you can see by the OP my problem was with pol.S. it was in general and the way it suddenly turned... of course its boring right now we only have two things to talk about.. the woeful govt.. and the opposition..but it still reaches a level of un-acceptance..

and was very much going the same way as yahoo.

I really hate the idea of a forum being closed down because of a few ignorant people thats all..

when a topic get hijacked thats another thing..not a lot anyone can do about that  as long as its fair and not vicious.

if we dont stop the nit picking then it turns ugly and by then so much damage..

have a nice day.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 10:18am:

nairbe wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 6:17pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 9:46am: nairbe wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 6:51am: We all get annoyed and do a bit of name calling, never mind. But in the last few days the threads have turned toxic, and in particular the racist and bigoted  banter. I don't know if people think it funny to stir up this kind of feeling but it is appalling and denigrates all of us on this form. I feel sick when i read some of the race hate and intolerance that claim to be Australian. You are all far from Australian and need to look deep within yourselves and consider are you using you anonymity to express opinions you would not argue face to face because you know how repugnant they are. Why are topics of race automatically deemed as racist or bigoted? These are legitimate topics and have real concerns. If there is a certain race or nationality of people who is incompatible with liberal democracy then it is perfectly acceptable to point that out. There was a poster the other day (Adlecrow) who was sprouting the platitudes of "equality" and  "tolerance," but when I pointed out that some cultures have no time for this, he/she couldn't accept it and just resorted to irrelevant off the cuff remarks. It is also paramount to highlight that adding "ist" on to the end of a word does not amount to any form of reasoned argument. It really just becomes a word equal to that of "c*cksucker," "bugger," or something else derogatory that in no way explains the issue under consideration. Being offended is in no way an argument in itself. Everyone gets offended from time to time. Why should one person's "offence" be deemed more important than another's? I know that leftist types are effeminate in character so that explains why they're perpetually offended, but again, that's no argument. Positions need a thesis statement and then evidence and/or augmentation that attempts to prove the thesis statement true. Saying "racist" doesn't cut it. WOW, what an amazing outburst. Are you feeling sensitive about what you may have said in the past? As you say there needs to be proof and reason to an argument, of which there is rarely any at all and none in what you have said. So let's see, here are two comments where do you think they lie in the scheme of things. 1.  those muslims are all rapists and terrorists and we don't want them. 2. the people from that country have suffered great oppression and war so may need help to make the        transition into our way of life. One accuses these people of something with no point or evidence. A head line might be referenced but has nothing to do with real fact or reason as to the crime. the other points out that due to hardships faced that we are all aware of , we may need to be aware of issues they might face in making a successful transition to our way of life. They are big differences but they both raise questions based on race or religion. Both those statements need context before any further comment.

Take your contextual pick. Say
1.  A boat load of refugees off Ashmore Reef.
2.  A group of Ugandan refugees coming here through an UN camp.
3.  An incident involving a couple of lebanese youths in Marrickville.

nairbe wrote on May 11^th, 2012 at 6:35pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 11th, 2012 at 10:18am: nairbe wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 6:17pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 9:46am: nairbe wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 6:51am: We all get annoyed and do a bit of name calling, never mind. But in the last few days the threads have turned toxic, and in particular the racist and bigoted  banter. I don't know if people think it funny to stir up this kind of feeling but it is appalling and denigrates all of us on this form. I feel sick when i read some of the race hate and intolerance that claim to be Australian. You are all far from Australian and need to look deep within yourselves and consider are you using you anonymity to express opinions you would not argue face to face because you know how repugnant they are. Why are topics of race automatically deemed as racist or bigoted? These are legitimate topics and have real concerns. If there is a certain race or nationality of people who is incompatible with liberal democracy then it is perfectly acceptable to point that out. There was a poster the other day (Adlecrow) who was sprouting the platitudes of "equality" and  "tolerance," but when I pointed out that some cultures have no time for this, he/she couldn't accept it and just resorted to irrelevant off the cuff remarks. It is also paramount to highlight that adding "ist" on to the end of a word does not amount to any form of reasoned argument. It really just becomes a word equal to that of "c*cksucker," "bugger," or something else derogatory that in no way explains the issue under consideration. Being offended is in no way an argument in itself. Everyone gets offended from time to time. Why should one person's "offence" be deemed more important than another's? I know that leftist types are effeminate in character so that explains why they're perpetually offended, but again, that's no argument. Positions need a thesis statement and then evidence and/or augmentation that attempts to prove the thesis statement true. Saying "racist" doesn't cut it. WOW, what an amazing outburst. Are you feeling sensitive about what you may have said in the past? As you say there needs to be proof and reason to an argument, of which there is rarely any at all and none in what you have said. So let's see, here are two comments where do you think they lie in the scheme of things. 1.  those muslims are all rapists and terrorists and we don't want them. 2. the people from that country have suffered great oppression and war so may need help to make the        transition into our way of life. One accuses these people of something with no point or evidence. A head line might be referenced but has nothing to do with real fact or reason as to the crime. the other points out that due to hardships faced that we are all aware of , we may need to be aware of issues they might face in making a successful transition to our way of life. They are big differences but they both raise questions based on race or religion. Both those statements need context before any further comment. Take your contextual pick. Say 1.  A boat load of refugees off Ashmore Reef. 2.  A group of Ugandan refugees coming here through an UN camp. 3.  An incident involving a couple of lebanese youths in Marrickville.

Questions of race and religion may be perfectly legitimate concerns. Still, these statements don't have much context. 

and we're going off topic again.   ::)

Like I said, and others have said, take it to the right board.
Feedback??....
What I said already. :-?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 6:05pm:

nairbe wrote on May 11th, 2012 at 6:35pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 11th, 2012 at 10:18am: nairbe wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 6:17pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 9:46am: nairbe wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 6:51am: We all get annoyed and do a bit of name calling, never mind. But in the last few days the threads have turned toxic, and in particular the racist and bigoted  banter. I don't know if people think it funny to stir up this kind of feeling but it is appalling and denigrates all of us on this form. I feel sick when i read some of the race hate and intolerance that claim to be Australian. You are all far from Australian and need to look deep within yourselves and consider are you using you anonymity to express opinions you would not argue face to face because you know how repugnant they are. Why are topics of race automatically deemed as racist or bigoted? These are legitimate topics and have real concerns. If there is a certain race or nationality of people who is incompatible with liberal democracy then it is perfectly acceptable to point that out. There was a poster the other day (Adlecrow) who was sprouting the platitudes of "equality" and  "tolerance," but when I pointed out that some cultures have no time for this, he/she couldn't accept it and just resorted to irrelevant off the cuff remarks. It is also paramount to highlight that adding "ist" on to the end of a word does not amount to any form of reasoned argument. It really just becomes a word equal to that of "c*cksucker," "bugger," or something else derogatory that in no way explains the issue under consideration. Being offended is in no way an argument in itself. Everyone gets offended from time to time. Why should one person's "offence" be deemed more important than another's? I know that leftist types are effeminate in character so that explains why they're perpetually offended, but again, that's no argument. Positions need a thesis statement and then evidence and/or augmentation that attempts to prove the thesis statement true. Saying "racist" doesn't cut it. WOW, what an amazing outburst. Are you feeling sensitive about what you may have said in the past? As you say there needs to be proof and reason to an argument, of which there is rarely any at all and none in what you have said. So let's see, here are two comments where do you think they lie in the scheme of things. 1.  those muslims are all rapists and terrorists and we don't want them. 2. the people from that country have suffered great oppression and war so may need help to make the        transition into our way of life. One accuses these people of something with no point or evidence. A head line might be referenced but has nothing to do with real fact or reason as to the crime. the other points out that due to hardships faced that we are all aware of , we may need to be aware of issues they might face in making a successful transition to our way of life. They are big differences but they both raise questions based on race or religion. Both those statements need context before any further comment. Take your contextual pick. Say 1.  A boat load of refugees off Ashmore Reef. 2.  A group of Ugandan refugees coming here through an UN camp. 3.  An incident involving a couple of lebanese youths in Marrickville. Questions of race and religion may be perfectly legitimate concerns. Still, these statements don't have much context.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D No idea, no answers and no hope. If that is it then you are a joke.

nairbe wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 6:53pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 6:05pm: nairbe wrote on May 11th, 2012 at 6:35pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 11th, 2012 at 10:18am: nairbe wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 6:17pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 9:46am: nairbe wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 6:51am: We all get annoyed and do a bit of name calling, never mind. But in the last few days the threads have turned toxic, and in particular the racist and bigoted  banter. I don't know if people think it funny to stir up this kind of feeling but it is appalling and denigrates all of us on this form. I feel sick when i read some of the race hate and intolerance that claim to be Australian. You are all far from Australian and need to look deep within yourselves and consider are you using you anonymity to express opinions you would not argue face to face because you know how repugnant they are. Why are topics of race automatically deemed as racist or bigoted? These are legitimate topics and have real concerns. If there is a certain race or nationality of people who is incompatible with liberal democracy then it is perfectly acceptable to point that out. There was a poster the other day (Adlecrow) who was sprouting the platitudes of "equality" and  "tolerance," but when I pointed out that some cultures have no time for this, he/she couldn't accept it and just resorted to irrelevant off the cuff remarks. It is also paramount to highlight that adding "ist" on to the end of a word does not amount to any form of reasoned argument. It really just becomes a word equal to that of "c*cksucker," "bugger," or something else derogatory that in no way explains the issue under consideration. Being offended is in no way an argument in itself. Everyone gets offended from time to time. Why should one person's "offence" be deemed more important than another's? I know that leftist types are effeminate in character so that explains why they're perpetually offended, but again, that's no argument. Positions need a thesis statement and then evidence and/or augmentation that attempts to prove the thesis statement true. Saying "racist" doesn't cut it. WOW, what an amazing outburst. Are you feeling sensitive about what you may have said in the past? As you say there needs to be proof and reason to an argument, of which there is rarely any at all and none in what you have said. So let's see, here are two comments where do you think they lie in the scheme of things. 1.  those muslims are all rapists and terrorists and we don't want them. 2. the people from that country have suffered great oppression and war so may need help to make the        transition into our way of life. One accuses these people of something with no point or evidence. A head line might be referenced but has nothing to do with real fact or reason as to the crime. the other points out that due to hardships faced that we are all aware of , we may need to be aware of issues they might face in making a successful transition to our way of life. They are big differences but they both raise questions based on race or religion. Both those statements need context before any further comment. Take your contextual pick. Say 1.  A boat load of refugees off Ashmore Reef. 2.  A group of Ugandan refugees coming here through an UN camp. 3.  An incident involving a couple of lebanese youths in Marrickville. Questions of race and religion may be perfectly legitimate concerns. Still, these statements don't have much context.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D No idea, no answers and no hope. If that is it then you are a joke.

I know what you were trying to do. You were trying to make me make a generalization based on a few vague statements. You need to be more specific.

I know all your tricks. You won't fool me.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 7:13pm:

nairbe wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 6:53pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 6:05pm: nairbe wrote on May 11th, 2012 at 6:35pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 11th, 2012 at 10:18am: nairbe wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 6:17pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 9:46am: nairbe wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 6:51am: We all get annoyed and do a bit of name calling, never mind. But in the last few days the threads have turned toxic, and in particular the racist and bigoted  banter. I don't know if people think it funny to stir up this kind of feeling but it is appalling and denigrates all of us on this form. I feel sick when i read some of the race hate and intolerance that claim to be Australian. You are all far from Australian and need to look deep within yourselves and consider are you using you anonymity to express opinions you would not argue face to face because you know how repugnant they are. Why are topics of race automatically deemed as racist or bigoted? These are legitimate topics and have real concerns. If there is a certain race or nationality of people who is incompatible with liberal democracy then it is perfectly acceptable to point that out. There was a poster the other day (Adlecrow) who was sprouting the platitudes of "equality" and  "tolerance," but when I pointed out that some cultures have no time for this, he/she couldn't accept it and just resorted to irrelevant off the cuff remarks. It is also paramount to highlight that adding "ist" on to the end of a word does not amount to any form of reasoned argument. It really just becomes a word equal to that of "c*cksucker," "bugger," or something else derogatory that in no way explains the issue under consideration. Being offended is in no way an argument in itself. Everyone gets offended from time to time. Why should one person's "offence" be deemed more important than another's? I know that leftist types are effeminate in character so that explains why they're perpetually offended, but again, that's no argument. Positions need a thesis statement and then evidence and/or augmentation that attempts to prove the thesis statement true. Saying "racist" doesn't cut it. WOW, what an amazing outburst. Are you feeling sensitive about what you may have said in the past? As you say there needs to be proof and reason to an argument, of which there is rarely any at all and none in what you have said. So let's see, here are two comments where do you think they lie in the scheme of things. 1.  those muslims are all rapists and terrorists and we don't want them. 2. the people from that country have suffered great oppression and war so may need help to make the        transition into our way of life. One accuses these people of something with no point or evidence. A head line might be referenced but has nothing to do with real fact or reason as to the crime. the other points out that due to hardships faced that we are all aware of , we may need to be aware of issues they might face in making a successful transition to our way of life. They are big differences but they both raise questions based on race or religion. Both those statements need context before any further comment. Take your contextual pick. Say 1.  A boat load of refugees off Ashmore Reef. 2.  A group of Ugandan refugees coming here through an UN camp. 3.  An incident involving a couple of lebanese youths in Marrickville. Questions of race and religion may be perfectly legitimate concerns. Still, these statements don't have much context.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D No idea, no answers and no hope. If that is it then you are a joke. I know what you were trying to do. You were trying to make me make a generalization based on a few vague statements. You need to be more specific. I know all your tricks. You won't fool me.

No i was mistaken in thinking you might have something to say but clearly you know you are out of the game and are avoiding the defeat ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D