These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election:

1. The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents.

2. Border protection is out of control with more than 17,000 arrivals and in excess of 300 boats since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution. It's so bad, Australians are now being asked to house country-shoppers while their claims for asylum are processed. Costs have gone through the stratosphere, from $100m a year under Howard to nearly $2 billion a year under the ALP.

3. Inability to manage the economy as evidenced in the skyrocketing debt and continued borrowing at the rate of $100 million per day. Interest on our debt is a staggering $7 billion a year and climbing.

4. Failed, lethal and extensively rorted stimulus schemes that resulted in deaths, houses burnt to the ground and billions of dollars simply wasted. The effectiveness of these schemes in keeping our country out of recession is debatable.

5. Corruption in the form of interference in the Craig Thomson investigation - why else would such a relatively straightforward investigation take nearly four years?

6. Grubby tactics that are backfiring on a PM paralysed by fear of losing her majority, specifically her failure to act on Thomson or Slipper.

7. A completely disfunctional government that is at war with itself through its various factions.

8. The fact that the ALP is one point off its record all-time lowest polling results and the PM is one of the most unpopular in history.

There are many other reasons, but these are some of the most pressing and high-profile.

I think you have only got to look at them to kn ow they have NO HOPE>.

mickey mouse could take them on and win.

Come on armchair - wouldn't you love to see the ALP screw this country over even more?

One more term of this ALP government would see Australia absolutely stuffed for the next 30 years at least.

We will know sometime in October 2013 but until then they will have to languish with poll figures similar to those of Howards pre Tampa polls.
As for the Greens they are now the only party that supports small business now the Libs, Nats and LNP are owned by a handful of multi billionaires.

I am not one for predicting poll timings Adel but you can't say it will definitely run full term.

They have no majority at all.

MP's are not the healthiest or the youngest bunch of people you'll meet. Somebody may fall off the perch.
A result of a by-election is a foregone conclusion - right now Labor would struggle to win a one-ticket raffle.

Also there is growing discontent with Gillard. If they do off her, what will Oakeshott do, I have seen him enough times state his agreement is with her as leader.
That idiot Windsor is so permanently out to lunch he probably wouldn't notice there is a new leader...

I don't know when an election will be, but the Slipper/Thomson scenario shows just how precarious this whole situation is.

For my mind, I just think a new election should be held so we can get a majority Government in - no matter who that is.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:30am:

I am not one for predicting poll timings Adel but you can't say it will definitely run full term. They have no majority at all. MP's are not the healthiest or the youngest bunch of people you'll meet. Somebody may fall off the perch. A result of a by-election is a foregone conclusion - right now Labor would struggle to win a one-ticket raffle. Also there is growing discontent with Gillard. If they do off her, what will Oakeshott do, I have seen him enough times state his agreement is with her as leader. That idiot Windsor is so permanently out to lunch he probably wouldn't notice there is a new leader... I don't know when an election will be, but the Slipper/Thomson scenario shows just how precarious this whole situation is. For my mind, I just think a new election should be held so we can get a majority Government in - no matter who that is.

Im predicting Oct 2013 unless Julia gets dumped and Rudd calls a snap election before then. They are my two most likely scenarios.

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 1.      The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents. .

The Previous government won several elections on the back of lies (actual real lies) and paid no electoral price.

there will never ever be a GST under any government I lead, Children were not thrown over board, They did know about Abu Prison, Iraq had no WMD’s (over 100,000 died on that little mistake), They really knew nothing about the AWB (ho ho ho), We are happy with the current IR position and have no plans for substantial change (then we get workchoices), They knew all about what was happing on the waterfront – until a Judge found they had questions to answer on conspiracy (then they all knew nothing) and on and on.

Under the Howard government promises meant absolutly nothing yet they kept winning elections?

Why the change in standards and accountability?

The biggest difference today is that we have a much more honest government but the media is driving for regime change and the opposition is happy to reside in the gutter. 

adelcrow wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:33am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:30am: I am not one for predicting poll timings Adel but you can't say it will definitely run full term. They have no majority at all. MP's are not the healthiest or the youngest bunch of people you'll meet. Somebody may fall off the perch. A result of a by-election is a foregone conclusion - right now Labor would struggle to win a one-ticket raffle. Also there is growing discontent with Gillard. If they do off her, what will Oakeshott do, I have seen him enough times state his agreement is with her as leader. That idiot Windsor is so permanently out to lunch he probably wouldn't notice there is a new leader... I don't know when an election will be, but the Slipper/Thomson scenario shows just how precarious this whole situation is. For my mind, I just think a new election should be held so we can get a majority Government in - no matter who that is. Im predicting Oct 2013 unless Julia gets dumped and Rudd calls a snap election before then. They are my two most likely scenarios.

Rudd replace her?
Imagine that?
Have a look at Swan said during that last leadership battle....

What's he gonna say "I think I was mis-quoted there Kev...."

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 2. Border protection is out of control with more than 17,000 arrivals and in excess of 300 boats since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution. It's so bad, Australians are now being asked to house country-shoppers while their claims for asylum are processed. Costs have gone through the stratosphere, from $100m a year under Howard to nearly $2 billion a year under the ALP.

Any yet Tnoy Abott has his foot jammed solidly in the door making sure that they continue to come?

THe best political result the the opposition is to make sure that the boats continue to arrive - Tnoy Abbnott is the people smugglers best friend at the moment.

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 4. Failed, lethal and extensively rorted stimulus schemes that resulted in deaths, houses burnt to the ground and billions of dollars simply wasted. The effectiveness of these schemes in keeping our country out of recession is debatable.

The rate of Houses burning was greater under the Howard years; the intense activity in this period identified a series of problems which had been on going for years. The rate of fires substantially reduced in this period.

Virtually all countries who acted late on this went into recession, we are not typically immune to world economic events, if we didn’t go into recession when the rest of the world did there would be a reason with a huge probability it was due to the quick and decisive action taken at the time. To suggest otherwise is simply living in denial.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:36am:

adelcrow wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:33am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:30am: I am not one for predicting poll timings Adel but you can't say it will definitely run full term. They have no majority at all. MP's are not the healthiest or the youngest bunch of people you'll meet. Somebody may fall off the perch. A result of a by-election is a foregone conclusion - right now Labor would struggle to win a one-ticket raffle. Also there is growing discontent with Gillard. If they do off her, what will Oakeshott do, I have seen him enough times state his agreement is with her as leader. That idiot Windsor is so permanently out to lunch he probably wouldn't notice there is a new leader... I don't know when an election will be, but the Slipper/Thomson scenario shows just how precarious this whole situation is. For my mind, I just think a new election should be held so we can get a majority Government in - no matter who that is. Im predicting Oct 2013 unless Julia gets dumped and Rudd calls a snap election before then. They are my two most likely scenarios. Rudd replace her? Imagine that? Have a look at Swan said during that last leadership battle.... What's he gonna say "I think I was mis-quoted there Kev...."

I doubt that Swan would stay as treasurer because Kevin would be relying on calling an election on the day he grabbed the leadership..thats my guess if things dont improve for Julia by the end of the year

I am not sure I would be able to stop boats coming, I don't think anyone can - its outside of their control.

What I would do though is implement a policy which makes it less lucrative.

I would do the following -

1) Using the examples shown by France, I would state immediately Australia was going to ignore the UN Refugee article of processing asylum seekers and no longer process any person who is coming from a 3rd country - eg non Indonesians or Malaysians.

2) All people without a valid visa would be terms persona non grata and returned to the point of origin.

3) People smugglers would be termed people traffikers illegally entering Australia and imprisoned without trial for a period of 6 months (on Christmas Island given this will be outside of the legal representation zone).

4) Nobody without a visa would be allowed on the Australian mainland.

5) All visa over-stayers would be removed from Australia.


You cannot be soft on this and France and Israel are two who have shown the UN articles are merely voluntary and not policed.

adelcrow wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:46am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:36am: adelcrow wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:33am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:30am: I am not one for predicting poll timings Adel but you can't say it will definitely run full term. They have no majority at all. MP's are not the healthiest or the youngest bunch of people you'll meet. Somebody may fall off the perch. A result of a by-election is a foregone conclusion - right now Labor would struggle to win a one-ticket raffle. Also there is growing discontent with Gillard. If they do off her, what will Oakeshott do, I have seen him enough times state his agreement is with her as leader. That idiot Windsor is so permanently out to lunch he probably wouldn't notice there is a new leader... I don't know when an election will be, but the Slipper/Thomson scenario shows just how precarious this whole situation is. For my mind, I just think a new election should be held so we can get a majority Government in - no matter who that is. Im predicting Oct 2013 unless Julia gets dumped and Rudd calls a snap election before then. They are my two most likely scenarios. Rudd replace her? Imagine that? Have a look at Swan said during that last leadership battle.... What's he gonna say "I think I was mis-quoted there Kev...." I doubt that Swan would stay as treasurer because Kevin would be relying on calling an election on the day he grabbed the leadership..thats my guess if things dont improve for Julia by the end of the year

If I remember rightly Swan is right up sh*t creek holding his seat anyway?

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:34am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am: These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 1.      The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents. . The Previous government won several elections on the back of lies (actual real lies) and paid no electoral price. there will never ever be a GST under any government I lead, Children were not thrown over board, They did know about Abu Prison, Iraq had no WMD’s (over 100,000 died on that little mistake), They really knew nothing about the AWB (ho ho ho), We are happy with the current IR position and have no plans for substantial change (then we get workchoices), They knew all about what was happing on the waterfront – until a Judge found they had questions to answer on conspiracy (then they all knew nothing) and on and on. Under the Howard government promises meant absolutly nothing yet they kept winning elections? Why the change in standards and accountability? The biggest difference today is that we have a much more honest government but the media is driving for regime change and the opposition is happy to reside in the gutter.

Howard went to an election very clearly promising a GST would be introduced if re-elected, whereas the ALP ran a campaign against it - and lost. Gillard went to an election promising no carbon tax under a government she lead and then proceeded to break her promise almost immediately.

That you people of the Left are unable to comprehend the inherently simple nature of these fact that I have spelt out for you in plain English clearly demonstrates how desperate and just bat-poo crazy you are when you continue to trot out the lie that Howard promised not to introduce a GST. Your argument is weaker than wet paper, but it still makes me laugh every time you attempt to make it look like Howard lied about the GST!  ;D

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

I am not sure I would be able to stop boats coming, I don't think anyone can - its outside of their control. What I would do though is implement a policy which makes it less lucrative. I would do the following - 1) Using the examples shown by France, I would state immediately Australia was going to ignore the UN Refugee article of processing asylum seekers and no longer process any person who is coming from a 3rd country - eg non Indonesians or Malaysians. 2) All people without a valid visa would be terms persona non grata and returned to the point of origin. 3) People smugglers would be termed people traffikers illegally entering Australia and imprisoned without trial for a period of 6 months (on Christmas Island given this will be outside of the legal representation zone). 4) Nobody without a visa would be allowed on the Australian mainland. 5) All visa over-stayers would be removed from Australia. You cannot be soft on this and France and Israel are two who have shown the UN articles are merely voluntary and not policed.

Howard did - he had a policy that was immensely successful at stopping the boats. We now regularly see more boats arrive in a month under Gillard than we did during the entire period of Howard's policy.

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 5. Corruption in the form of interference in the Craig Thomson investigation - why else would such a relatively straightforward investigation take nearly four years?

There has not been an investigation which took 4 years, there have been at least 4 separate investigations starting at different times which span that period with about 3 coming to a much earlier conclusion having found no case to answer.

The opposition have been the group interfering in this series of investigations and doing it clearly for political gain. It was a federal opposition member who was asking the state police ministers to instruct police to start new investigations when the previous ones got results they didn't like.

Yes there has been corrupt political interference but it has not come from the Government.

So will the Coalition abolish the ALP's free trade, open  borders mass immigration  policies or protect Australian Businesses and Jobs? ::)

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:51am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am: These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 5. Corruption in the form of interference in the Craig Thomson investigation - why else would such a relatively straightforward investigation take nearly four years? There has not been an investigation which took 4 years, there have been at least 4 seperate investigations starting at different times which span that period with about 3 coming to a much earlier conclusion haveing found no case to answer. The opposition have been the group interfering in this series of investigations and doing it clearly for political gain. I was a federal opposition member who was asking the state police ministers to ask for new investigations when the previous ones got the results they didn't like. Yes there has been corrupt political interference but it has not come from the Government.

I'm sure you believe that nonsense, too...

corporate_whitey wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:51am:

So will the Coalition abolish the ALP's free trade, open  borders mass immigration  policies or protect Australian Businesses and Jobs? ::)

Nope and they would be stupid to do so

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Dnarever wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:51am: Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am: These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 5. Corruption in the form of interference in the Craig Thomson investigation - why else would such a relatively straightforward investigation take nearly four years? There has not been an investigation which took 4 years, there have been at least 4 seperate investigations starting at different times which span that period with about 3 coming to a much earlier conclusion haveing found no case to answer. The opposition have been the group interfering in this series of investigations and doing it clearly for political gain. I was a federal opposition member who was asking the state police ministers to ask for new investigations when the previous ones got the results they didn't like. Yes there has been corrupt political interference but it has not come from the Government. I'm sure you believe that nonsense, too...

Are you saying that there have not been a number of investigation over that period?

Are you saying that several investigations were not completed finding no case to answer?

Are you saying that a federal minister did not ask the state police ministers to re open investigations?

or that it was not primarily done for political gain?


That nonsense is actuall all factual.

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am: These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 2. Border protection is out of control with more than 17,000 arrivals and in excess of 300 boats since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution. It's so bad, Australians are now being asked to house country-shoppers while their claims for asylum are processed. Costs have gone through the stratosphere, from $100m a year under Howard to nearly $2 billion a year under the ALP. Any yet Tnoy Abott has his foot jammed solidly in the door making sure that they continue to come? THe best political result the the opposition is to make sure that the boats continue to arrive - Tnoy Abbnott is the people smugglers best friend at the moment.

you make me laugh dna,,the fact that your mob opened the floodgates to the people smugglers..always seems to slip your mind...

and lets not forget the bleeding hearts on here including yourself was well in favor of what they did...ooooo how could you possibly turn your back on these lost souls you are all soooooo cruel and bigoted.

yeah I think we got the message.. have you put your hand up for the $300 per couple of asylum seekers...probably single strapping young men.?

of course you have.!!!!!!

and if this program runs in the usual fashion that we have become to expect from the LABS>... good luck to you!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

adelcrow wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

corporate_whitey wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:51am: So will the Coalition abolish the ALP's free trade, open  borders mass immigration  policies or protect Australian Businesses and Jobs? ::) Nope and they would be stupid to do so

On the contrary, it would be the most significant reform of the Australian economy in its history rolling back decades of ineptitude, instability and failure. ;D ;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 11:01am:

Dnarever wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:38am: Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am: These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 2. Border protection is out of control with more than 17,000 arrivals and in excess of 300 boats since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution. It's so bad, Australians are now being asked to house country-shoppers while their claims for asylum are processed. Costs have gone through the stratosphere, from $100m a year under Howard to nearly $2 billion a year under the ALP. Any yet Tnoy Abott has his foot jammed solidly in the door making sure that they continue to come? THe best political result the the opposition is to make sure that the boats continue to arrive - Tnoy Abbnott is the people smugglers best friend at the moment. you make me laugh dna,,the fact that your mob opened the floodgates to the people smugglers..always seems to slip your mind... and lets not forget the bleeding hearts on here including yourself was well in favor of what they did...ooooo how could you possibly turn your back on these lost souls you are all soooooo cruel and bigoted. yeah I think we got the message.. have you put your hand up for the $300 per couple of asylum seekers...probably single strapping young men.? of course you have.!!!!!! and if this program runs in the usual fashion that we have become to expect from the LABS>... good luck to you!!!!

you make me laugh dna,,the fact that your mob opened the floodgates to the people smugglers..always seems to slip your mind

No it does not slip my mind, at the time I thought it was the right thing to do and even today I do not support off shore processing but I do acknowledge that it does stop the boats.

Pointing blame into the past may give you and your mates a nice warm feeling but the fact remains that the major blockage to going back to off shore processing today is Tnoy Abbnott and he is only doing it for political gain - its not about keeping a few refugees out its about an election in 2013.

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 11:00am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:53am: Dnarever wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:51am: Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am: These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 5. Corruption in the form of interference in the Craig Thomson investigation - why else would such a relatively straightforward investigation take nearly four years? There has not been an investigation which took 4 years, there have been at least 4 seperate investigations starting at different times which span that period with about 3 coming to a much earlier conclusion haveing found no case to answer. The opposition have been the group interfering in this series of investigations and doing it clearly for political gain. I was a federal opposition member who was asking the state police ministers to ask for new investigations when the previous ones got the results they didn't like. Yes there has been corrupt political interference but it has not come from the Government. I'm sure you believe that nonsense, too... Are you saying that there have not been a number of investigation over that period? Are you saying that several investigations were not completed finding no case to answer? Are you saying that a federal minister did not ask the state police ministers to re open investigations? or that it was not primarily done for political gain? That nonsense is actuall all factual.

dna... FAIRWORK has spent more than 4 years investigating the HSU.

not only did they stall and stall.. changing heads was one of them... they also brought in a verdict and passed it on to the DDP who have no jurisdiction over bringing charges... of which there are MANY..

can you show us WHERE THE OPPOSITION HAVE INTERFERRED???



as for one investigation going no where.. guess which one it was..


yes thats right... the one about THOMO using his credit card for brothels.. in Sydney..

the police said there was no crime in using a credit card to visit brothels.. which of course there isnt...


however the police soon changed that and handed it all on to the Victorian Police..


and as you can see by the raid during the week and the fact they caught the President in the carpark with a briefcase full of papers... says quite a lot to me..


IT STINKS... NO ESCAPING IT, IT IS PUTRID.

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 11:07am:

cods wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 11:01am: Dnarever wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:38am: Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am: These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 2. Border protection is out of control with more than 17,000 arrivals and in excess of 300 boats since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution. It's so bad, Australians are now being asked to house country-shoppers while their claims for asylum are processed. Costs have gone through the stratosphere, from $100m a year under Howard to nearly $2 billion a year under the ALP. Any yet Tnoy Abott has his foot jammed solidly in the door making sure that they continue to come? THe best political result the the opposition is to make sure that the boats continue to arrive - Tnoy Abbnott is the people smugglers best friend at the moment. you make me laugh dna,,the fact that your mob opened the floodgates to the people smugglers..always seems to slip your mind... and lets not forget the bleeding hearts on here including yourself was well in favor of what they did...ooooo how could you possibly turn your back on these lost souls you are all soooooo cruel and bigoted. yeah I think we got the message.. have you put your hand up for the $300 per couple of asylum seekers...probably single strapping young men.? of course you have.!!!!!! and if this program runs in the usual fashion that we have become to expect from the LABS>... good luck to you!!!! you make me laugh dna,,the fact that your mob opened the floodgates to the people smugglers..always seems to slip your mind No it does not slip my mind, at the time I thought it was the right thing to do and even today I do not support off shore processing but I do acknowledge that it does stop the boats. Pointing blame into the past may give you and your mates a nice warm feeling but the fact remains that the major blockage to going back to off shore processing today is Tnoy Abbnott and he is only doing it for political gain - its not about keeping a few refugees out its about an election in 2013.

I think you will find you do more than your share of pointing blame....


you never miss blaming Abbott and he wasnt the leader when all this started..

chopping and changing which this govt is well klnown for... doesnt instill faith in me as it does yourself....


hey how many are you putting your hand up for???.. after all you invited them to come in this way didnt you??????

cods wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 11:08am:

Dnarever wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 11:00am: Are you saying that there have not been a number of investigation over that period? Are you saying that several investigations were not completed finding no case to answer? Are you saying that a federal minister did not ask the state police ministers to re open investigations? or that it was not primarily done for political gain? That nonsense is actuall all factual. dna... FAIRWORK has spent more than 4 years investigating the HSU. not only did they stall and stall.. changing heads was one of them... they also brought in a verdict and passed it on to the DDP who have no jurisdiction over bringing charges... of which there are MANY.. can you show us WHERE THE OPPOSITION HAVE INTERFERRED??? as for one investigation going no where.. guess which one it was.. yes thats right... the one about THOMO using his credit card for brothels.. in Sydney.. the police said there was no crime in using a credit card to visit brothels.. which of course there isnt... however the police soon changed that and handed it all on to the Victorian Police.. and as you can see by the raid during the week and the fact they caught the President in the carpark with a briefcase full of papers... says quite a lot to me.. IT STINKS... NO ESCAPING IT, IT IS PUTRID.

dna... FAIRWORK has spent more than 4 years investigating the HSU.

Fair work are not part of any police group and do not do criminal investigations.

however the police soon changed that and handed it all on to the Victorian Police..


and as you can see by the raid during the week and the fact they caught the President in the carpark with a briefcase full of papers... says quite a lot to me..

This is significantly incorrect, the raids are from the task force group which was initiated 12 months ago following the Liberals interference in the process after the state police found a result the liberals didn't like.

they also brought in a verdict No Fair work produced a report.

DDP who have no jurisdiction over bringing charges.  The function of the DPP is to bring charges.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:30am:

I am not one for predicting poll timings Adel but you can't say it will definitely run full term. They have no majority at all.

You are right but I would think it best to assume they will run full term till they don't.

I would think the probability is high that it will go full term.

After all it is dependant on the independants who will all be unemployed if they vote with the opposition - can't see them cutting their own throats.

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 7. A completely disfunctional government that is at war with itself through its various factions.

Once upon a time in a land far far away is a completely disfunctional government that is at war with itself through its various factions.

Sounds more like the Lieberals and look their is a part for Shrek in it too, Tnoy could be the Donkey.

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 11:48am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am: These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 7. A completely disfunctional government that is at war with itself through its various factions. Once upon a time in a land far far away is a completely disfunctional government that is at war with itself through its various factions. Sounds more like the Lieberals and look their is a part for Shrek in it too, Tnoy could be the Donkey.

When was the last LIB leadership challenge?

When was the last ALP leadership challenge? And the ALP leadership challenge before that?

And the current leadership discord is in the ALP camp not LIBs.

cods wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 11:08am:

can you show us WHERE THE OPPOSITION HAVE INTERFERRED??? .

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-23/police-to-investigate-thomson/2851754

New South Wales police say they are looking at whether there are grounds for an investigation into allegations levelled against Federal Labor MP Craig Thomson.

Shadow attorney-general George Brandis wrote to NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione yesterday asking for police to look at Mr Thomson's use of a union credit card.

Senator Brandis wrote that Mr Thomson had given implausible explanations on how his Health Services Union credit card had paid for escort services.

Mr Thomson has admitted authorising the payment to an escort service in 2005, but has said another man used the card and forged his signature.

He has consistently denied any wrongdoing.


At this point this was a case where the NSW police had already investigated the matter and found no case to be answered.

The shadow AG asked his Liberal mate to reopen an investigation into this matter primarily because he politically did not like the result of the prior investigation.

This is clear interference into a police matter already concluded aimed at gaining political benifit.

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

cods wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 11:08am: can you show us WHERE THE OPPOSITION HAVE INTERFERRED??? . http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-23/police-to-investigate-thomson/2851754 New South Wales police say they are looking at whether there are grounds for an investigation into allegations levelled against Federal Labor MP Craig Thomson. Shadow attorney-general George Brandis wrote to NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione yesterday asking for police to look at Mr Thomson's use of a union credit card. Senator Brandis wrote that Mr Thomson had given implausible explanations on how his Health Services Union credit card had paid for escort services. Mr Thomson has admitted authorising the payment to an escort service in 2005, but has said another man used the card and forged his signature. He has consistently denied any wrongdoing. At this point this was a case where the NSW police had already investigated the matter and found no case to be answered. The shadow AG asked his Liberal mate to reopen an investigation into this matter primarily because he politically did not like the result of the prior investigation. This is clear interference into a police matter already concluded aimed at gaining political benifit.

Lets face it ..the Libs dont care about justice for the HSU members..all they care about is dummy spitting and wasting precious police resources until there is another election.

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:34am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am: These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 1.      The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents. . The Previous government won several elections on the back of lies (actual real lies) and paid no electoral price. there will never ever be a GST under any government I lead, Children were not thrown over board, They did know about Abu Prison, Iraq had no WMD’s (over 100,000 died on that little mistake), They really knew nothing about the AWB (ho ho ho), We are happy with the current IR position and have no plans for substantial change (then we get workchoices), They knew all about what was happing on the waterfront – until a Judge found they had questions to answer on conspiracy (then they all knew nothing) and on and on. Under the Howard government promises meant absolutly nothing yet they kept winning elections? Why the change in standards and accountability? The biggest difference today is that we have a much more honest government but the media is driving for regime change and the opposition is happy to reside in the gutter.

the answer would be obvious if you had the capcity to understand it. Gillard promised no carbon tax and then reversed her promis mere WEEKS later after sliding into power. Howard changed his mind FIVE YEARS later and invited everyone to agree or disagree with this change. The difference is beyond stellar and you are one of only a few buffoons who cnat see the difference

But we get the last laugh. If Howard had introduced a GST in 1996 after promising not to he woudl ahve lost the election in 1998. But because he took it to an election, he won.

Its called integrity. Howard had in spades and Gillard cannot even spell the word.

Nor you, apparently.

Armchair, that is not the spirit at all. There are plenty of ways Labor could get back in. Anything could happen.

Perhaps Juliar could turn a cargo ship carrying shipwrecked people away.

No no, that's been done. Perhaps she could start a war with Indonesia.

Yes, I know, Bob Carr wouldn't let her. Stephen Smith might - he'd do anything to shaft the army.

Still, Indonesia would win. Plus, they're too close. We need a good foreign war - like Gallipoli. Someone we can beat, miles away, and someone the Amerikans will take the lead on.

How about Pakistan? They might be allies, but that doesn't mean we have to like them.

Look - say some Paki terrorist shoots down one of Amerika's drones. Are we just meant to stand back and let it happen?

We can't. There's the ANZUS treaty for a start. Australia takes its treaty obligations very seriously. Also, we have a relationship with the US, a shared culture. Not to mention trade considerations.

Then, into Pakistan for another endless war and Labor gets another term - hopefully with a majority this time. Juliar gets to look tough and statesmanlike. A warrior. What's the right word?

Thatcheresque.

Would you vote for her? Who wouldn't? She'd be our Joan of Arc standing up against Pakistani tyranny. She'd be defending Western civilization itself. Forget a a few dodgy insulation schemes, Juliar would be taking us onto the world stage, the theatre of war.

And you don't change generals at the start of a battle. This, after all, is about security.

If Juliar took the fight to the enemy of the Western civilization, we'd be with her in a flash.

Still, that's the problem with the Labor Party these days. No imagination.

Dnarever wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 11:07am:

cods wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 11:01am: Dnarever wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:38am: Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am: These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 2. Border protection is out of control with more than 17,000 arrivals and in excess of 300 boats since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution. It's so bad, Australians are now being asked to house country-shoppers while their claims for asylum are processed. Costs have gone through the stratosphere, from $100m a year under Howard to nearly $2 billion a year under the ALP. Any yet Tnoy Abott has his foot jammed solidly in the door making sure that they continue to come? THe best political result the the opposition is to make sure that the boats continue to arrive - Tnoy Abbnott is the people smugglers best friend at the moment. you make me laugh dna,,the fact that your mob opened the floodgates to the people smugglers..always seems to slip your mind... and lets not forget the bleeding hearts on here including yourself was well in favor of what they did...ooooo how could you possibly turn your back on these lost souls you are all soooooo cruel and bigoted. yeah I think we got the message.. have you put your hand up for the $300 per couple of asylum seekers...probably single strapping young men.? of course you have.!!!!!! and if this program runs in the usual fashion that we have become to expect from the LABS>... good luck to you!!!! you make me laugh dna,,the fact that your mob opened the floodgates to the people smugglers..always seems to slip your mind No it does not slip my mind, at the time I thought it was the right thing to do and even today I do not support off shore processing but I do acknowledge that it does stop the boats. Pointing blame into the past may give you and your mates a nice warm feeling but the fact remains that the major blockage to going back to off shore processing today is Tnoy Abbnott and he is only doing it for political gain - its not about keeping a few refugees out its about an election in 2013.

well at least you finally acknoweldge that the howard policy worked. Its only taken 5 years for that! And it isnt abbott stopping off-shore. it is Gillard. Quite simply, she cant be trusted. The Malyasan solution is UNACCEPTABLE to everyone. If Abbott passed the off-shore processing bill she would just go right back to Malaysia. She says she wont, but do YOU trust her? No-one does. The Greens wont support it either because her word is worthless.

adelcrow wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 2:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 1:53pm: cods wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 11:08am: can you show us WHERE THE OPPOSITION HAVE INTERFERRED??? . http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-23/police-to-investigate-thomson/2851754 New South Wales police say they are looking at whether there are grounds for an investigation into allegations levelled against Federal Labor MP Craig Thomson. Shadow attorney-general George Brandis wrote to NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione yesterday asking for police to look at Mr Thomson's use of a union credit card. Senator Brandis wrote that Mr Thomson had given implausible explanations on how his Health Services Union credit card had paid for escort services. Mr Thomson has admitted authorising the payment to an escort service in 2005, but has said another man used the card and forged his signature. He has consistently denied any wrongdoing. At this point this was a case where the NSW police had already investigated the matter and found no case to be answered. The shadow AG asked his Liberal mate to reopen an investigation into this matter primarily because he politically did not like the result of the prior investigation. This is clear interference into a police matter already concluded aimed at gaining political benifit. Lets face it ..the Libs dont care about justice for the HSU members..all they care about is dummy spitting and wasting precious police resources until there is another election.

yeah obviously... after all, who is the ONLY party pushing the have the HSU and its former leadership held accountably? The libs while the ALP is doing itts usual trick of trying to pervert the course of justice.

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 3:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:34am: Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am: These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 1.      The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents. . The Previous government won several elections on the back of lies (actual real lies) and paid no electoral price. there will never ever be a GST under any government I lead, Children were not thrown over board, They did know about Abu Prison, Iraq had no WMD’s (over 100,000 died on that little mistake), They really knew nothing about the AWB (ho ho ho), We are happy with the current IR position and have no plans for substantial change (then we get workchoices), They knew all about what was happing on the waterfront – until a Judge found they had questions to answer on conspiracy (then they all knew nothing) and on and on. Under the Howard government promises meant absolutly nothing yet they kept winning elections? Why the change in standards and accountability? The biggest difference today is that we have a much more honest government but the media is driving for regime change and the opposition is happy to reside in the gutter.  the answer would be obvious if you had the capcity to understand it. Gillard promised no carbon tax and then reversed her promis mere WEEKS later after sliding into power. Howard changed his mind FIVE YEARS later and invited everyone to agree or disagree with this change. The difference is beyond stellar and you are one of only a few buffoons who cnat see the difference But we get the last laugh. If Howard had introduced a GST in 1996 after promising not to he woudl ahve lost the election in 1998. But because he took it to an election, he won. Its called integrity. Howard had in spades and Gillard cannot even spell the word. Nor you, apparently.

If Abbott had fallen over the line at the last election we would have a carbon tax as well because the Greens have the Senate by the balls and they went to the election promising a carbon tax.
Abbott or Gillard, Howard or Rudd...the people voted for action on carbon pollution at the last 2 elections.

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 3:48pm:

the answer would be obvious if you had the capcity to understand it. Gillard promised no carbon tax and then reversed her promis mere WEEKS later after sliding into power. Howard changed his mind FIVE YEARS later and invited everyone to agree or disagree with this change. The difference is beyond stellar and you are one of only a few buffoons who cnat see the difference But we get the last laugh. If Howard had introduced a GST in 1996 after promising not to he woudl ahve lost the election in 1998. But because he took it to an election, he won. Its called integrity. Howard had in spades and Gillard cannot even spell the word. Nor you, apparently.

Gillard promised no carbon tax and then reversed her promis mere WEEKS later

A carbon price much different to what was being called a carbon tax before the election and where nobody ever pays any tax and the commitment to price carbon in some form was always on the agenda.

Howard changed his mind FIVE YEARS later and invited everyone to agree or disagree with this change.

Howard made his announcement 14 months later and had been planning it for a at least several months prior to that in the very term he had promised not to. Howard never changed his mind at all (he sucked you in) - he was always a supporter of a GST. Had he not made the GST commitment he would have never been PM or in a position to dishonestly introduce a GST.

Focusing on the GST is convenient but it leaves out the fact that no promise he made could be relied upon, he coined the term non core promise which points to the many commitments he had made which he deliberately broke.

Its called integrity. Howard had in spades

His own mates called him a Lying rodent? That is the people who know him and were dealing with him day in and day out - the people who would know.

He was cynically called Honest John - meaning the exact opposite.

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 1. The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents. 2. Border protection is out of control with more than 17,000 arrivals and in excess of 300 boats since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution. It's so bad, Australians are now being asked to house country-shoppers while their claims for asylum are processed. Costs have gone through the stratosphere, from $100m a year under Howard to nearly $2 billion a year under the ALP. 3. Inability to manage the economy as evidenced in the skyrocketing debt and continued borrowing at the rate of $100 million per day. Interest on our debt is a staggering $7 billion a year and climbing. 4. Failed, lethal and extensively rorted stimulus schemes that resulted in deaths, houses burnt to the ground and billions of dollars simply wasted. The effectiveness of these schemes in keeping our country out of recession is debatable. 5. Corruption in the form of interference in the Craig Thomson investigation - why else would such a relatively straightforward investigation take nearly four years? 6. Grubby tactics that are backfiring on a PM paralysed by fear of losing her majority, specifically her failure to act on Thomson or Slipper. 7. A completely disfunctional government that is at war with itself through its various factions. 8. The fact that the ALP is one point off its record all-time lowest polling results and the PM is one of the most unpopular in history. There are many other reasons, but these are some of the most pressing and high-profile.

LOL the conga line of solid gold dancing suckholes must be sh itting themselves if they need to resort to threads like this 18 months out from an election. They can probably see Abbotts demise too.

skippy. wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 4:40pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am: These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 1. The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents. 2. Border protection is out of control with more than 17,000 arrivals and in excess of 300 boats since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution. It's so bad, Australians are now being asked to house country-shoppers while their claims for asylum are processed. Costs have gone through the stratosphere, from $100m a year under Howard to nearly $2 billion a year under the ALP. 3. Inability to manage the economy as evidenced in the skyrocketing debt and continued borrowing at the rate of $100 million per day. Interest on our debt is a staggering $7 billion a year and climbing. 4. Failed, lethal and extensively rorted stimulus schemes that resulted in deaths, houses burnt to the ground and billions of dollars simply wasted. The effectiveness of these schemes in keeping our country out of recession is debatable. 5. Corruption in the form of interference in the Craig Thomson investigation - why else would such a relatively straightforward investigation take nearly four years? 6. Grubby tactics that are backfiring on a PM paralysed by fear of losing her majority, specifically her failure to act on Thomson or Slipper. 7. A completely disfunctional government that is at war with itself through its various factions. 8. The fact that the ALP is one point off its record all-time lowest polling results and the PM is one of the most unpopular in history. There are many other reasons, but these are some of the most pressing and high-profile. LOL the conga line of solid gold dancing suckholes must be sh itting themselves if they need to resort to threads like this 18 months out from an election. They can probably see Abbotts demise too.

Once Abbott receives his policies from Clive Palmer and gets permission to release them I'm guessing he will come back to the field.

adelcrow wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 3:48pm: Dnarever wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:34am: Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am: These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 1.      The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents. . The Previous government won several elections on the back of lies (actual real lies) and paid no electoral price. there will never ever be a GST under any government I lead, Children were not thrown over board, They did know about Abu Prison, Iraq had no WMD’s (over 100,000 died on that little mistake), They really knew nothing about the AWB (ho ho ho), We are happy with the current IR position and have no plans for substantial change (then we get workchoices), They knew all about what was happing on the waterfront – until a Judge found they had questions to answer on conspiracy (then they all knew nothing) and on and on. Under the Howard government promises meant absolutly nothing yet they kept winning elections? Why the change in standards and accountability? The biggest difference today is that we have a much more honest government but the media is driving for regime change and the opposition is happy to reside in the gutter.  the answer would be obvious if you had the capcity to understand it. Gillard promised no carbon tax and then reversed her promis mere WEEKS later after sliding into power. Howard changed his mind FIVE YEARS later and invited everyone to agree or disagree with this change. The difference is beyond stellar and you are one of only a few buffoons who cnat see the difference But we get the last laugh. If Howard had introduced a GST in 1996 after promising not to he woudl ahve lost the election in 1998. But because he took it to an election, he won. Its called integrity. Howard had in spades and Gillard cannot even spell the word. Nor you, apparently. If Abbott had fallen over the line at the last election we would have a carbon tax as well because the Greens have the Senate by the balls and they went to the election promising a carbon tax. Abbott or Gillard, Howard or Rudd...the people voted for action on carbon pollution at the last 2 elections.

and if Gillard had won the last election we weould not have a carbon tax because thats what she promised. hmm... didnt work out that way.

try again. this time with an argument that doesnt blow up in your face.

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 5:21pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 3:59pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 3:48pm: Dnarever wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:34am: Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am: These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 1.      The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents. . The Previous government won several elections on the back of lies (actual real lies) and paid no electoral price. there will never ever be a GST under any government I lead, Children were not thrown over board, They did know about Abu Prison, Iraq had no WMD’s (over 100,000 died on that little mistake), They really knew nothing about the AWB (ho ho ho), We are happy with the current IR position and have no plans for substantial change (then we get workchoices), They knew all about what was happing on the waterfront – until a Judge found they had questions to answer on conspiracy (then they all knew nothing) and on and on. Under the Howard government promises meant absolutly nothing yet they kept winning elections? Why the change in standards and accountability? The biggest difference today is that we have a much more honest government but the media is driving for regime change and the opposition is happy to reside in the gutter.  the answer would be obvious if you had the capcity to understand it. Gillard promised no carbon tax and then reversed her promis mere WEEKS later after sliding into power. Howard changed his mind FIVE YEARS later and invited everyone to agree or disagree with this change. The difference is beyond stellar and you are one of only a few buffoons who cnat see the difference But we get the last laugh. If Howard had introduced a GST in 1996 after promising not to he woudl ahve lost the election in 1998. But because he took it to an election, he won. Its called integrity. Howard had in spades and Gillard cannot even spell the word. Nor you, apparently. If Abbott had fallen over the line at the last election we would have a carbon tax as well because the Greens have the Senate by the balls and they went to the election promising a carbon tax. Abbott or Gillard, Howard or Rudd...the people voted for action on carbon pollution at the last 2 elections. and if Gillard had won the last election we weould not have a carbon tax because thats what she promised. hmm... didnt work out that way. try again. this time with an argument that doesnt blow up in your face.

Consider it a non core promise ..a la John Howard  ;D

adelcrow wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 5:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 5:21pm: adelcrow wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 3:59pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 3:48pm: Dnarever wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:34am: Armchair_Politician wrote on May 5th, 2012 at 10:17am: These are but some of the numerous reasons why the ALP has no hope of winning the next election: 1.      The carbon tax, introduced on the back of a lie by the PM and Deputy PM. We were promised it wouldn't be introduced and Gillard swiftly broke that promise when given power by Bob Brown and the Independents. . The Previous government won several elections on the back of lies (actual real lies) and paid no electoral price. there will never ever be a GST under any government I lead, Children were not thrown over board, They did know about Abu Prison, Iraq had no WMD’s (over 100,000 died on that little mistake), They really knew nothing about the AWB (ho ho ho), We are happy with the current IR position and have no plans for substantial change (then we get workchoices), They knew all about what was happing on the waterfront – until a Judge found they had questions to answer on conspiracy (then they all knew nothing) and on and on. Under the Howard government promises meant absolutly nothing yet they kept winning elections? Why the change in standards and accountability? The biggest difference today is that we have a much more honest government but the media is driving for regime change and the opposition is happy to reside in the gutter.  the answer would be obvious if you had the capcity to understand it. Gillard promised no carbon tax and then reversed her promis mere WEEKS later after sliding into power. Howard changed his mind FIVE YEARS later and invited everyone to agree or disagree with this change. The difference is beyond stellar and you are one of only a few buffoons who cnat see the difference But we get the last laugh. If Howard had introduced a GST in 1996 after promising not to he woudl ahve lost the election in 1998. But because he took it to an election, he won. Its called integrity. Howard had in spades and Gillard cannot even spell the word. Nor you, apparently. If Abbott had fallen over the line at the last election we would have a carbon tax as well because the Greens have the Senate by the balls and they went to the election promising a carbon tax. Abbott or Gillard, Howard or Rudd...the people voted for action on carbon pollution at the last 2 elections. and if Gillard had won the last election we weould not have a carbon tax because thats what she promised. hmm... didnt work out that way. try again. this time with an argument that doesnt blow up in your face. Consider it a non core promise ..a la John Howard  ;D

so if Abbott brings in workchoices again you will smile and just say 'non-core'?

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 6:35pm:

so if Abbott brings in workchoices again you will smile and just say 'non-core'?

Didn't Howard already effectively say that

but no

I would smile and say pathetic one term government.

so if Abbott brings in workchoices again you will smile and just say 'non-core'?


So far hes been to gutless to admit to any workplace reforms but I for one would be glad for it to become the number political topic in the country again.

adelcrow wrote on May 5^th, 2012 at 7:24pm:

so if Abbott brings in workchoices again you will smile and just say 'non-core'? So far hes been to gutless to admit to any workplace reforms but I for one would be glad for it to become the number political topic in the country again.

nah... I'll just smaile and say 'carbon tax'.

If Abbott does bring back Workchoices, then I will have officially lost any shred of faith in either party, and would see Abbott as the biggest hypocrite in Australia.

He doesn't exactly fill me with faith/trust/credibility, but I will take him any day over Gillard. I would probably take ANYONE over her at the moment though, so that is probably not saying much.

john_g wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

If Abbott does bring back Workchoices, then I will have officially lost any shred of faith in either party, and would see Abbott as the biggest hypocrite in Australia. He doesn't exactly fill me with faith/trust/credibility, but I will take him any day over Gillard. I would probably take ANYONE over her at the moment though, so that is probably not saying much.

With the Greens rising in the polls and looking to get yet another Senate seat how does Abbott think he will get any regressive policies through the senate?
The Greens are all we have left between an idiotic and incompetent Labor Party and a regressive hate mongering power hungry Coalition

adelcrow wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

john_g wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 7:53pm: If Abbott does bring back Workchoices, then I will have officially lost any shred of faith in either party, and would see Abbott as the biggest hypocrite in Australia. He doesn't exactly fill me with faith/trust/credibility, but I will take him any day over Gillard. I would probably take ANYONE over her at the moment though, so that is probably not saying much. With the Greens rising in the polls and looking to get yet another Senate seat how does Abbott think he will get any regressive policies through the senate? The Greens are all we have left between an idiotic and incompetent Labor Party and a regressive hate mongering power hungry Coalition

The Greens are stagnant. Aren't they invariably around the 12% mark, give or take?

I despise them even more than I do Labor. I hope that Labor realises its mistake from being seen too close to them, and distances itself from them. Remember this, the Greens are only as powerful as they are allowed to be. If the Coalition and Labor side with each other, they are completely irrelevant.

john_g wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 8:20pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 8:13pm: john_g wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 7:53pm: If Abbott does bring back Workchoices, then I will have officially lost any shred of faith in either party, and would see Abbott as the biggest hypocrite in Australia. He doesn't exactly fill me with faith/trust/credibility, but I will take him any day over Gillard. I would probably take ANYONE over her at the moment though, so that is probably not saying much. With the Greens rising in the polls and looking to get yet another Senate seat how does Abbott think he will get any regressive policies through the senate? The Greens are all we have left between an idiotic and incompetent Labor Party and a regressive hate mongering power hungry Coalition The Greens are stagnant. Aren't they invariably around the 12% mark, give or take? I despise them even more than I do Labor. I hope that Labor realises its mistake from being seen too close to them, and distances itself from them. Remember this, the Greens are only as powerful as they are allowed to be. If the Coalition and Labor side with each other, they are completely irrelevant.

The Greens will have the balance of power in the Senate for a very long time as long as they don't betray their base like the Democrats did.
Like it or not Abbott is going to have to genuflect at the feet of the Greens if he is going to get anything done over his 3 yrs in govt.

Wot do the Nats have..2%-3%?

Well, all I can say is well done dna for an excellent series of posts in this thread.

john_g wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

If Abbott does bring back Workchoices, then I will have officially lost any shred of faith in either party, and would see Abbott as the biggest hypocrite in Australia. He doesn't exactly fill me with faith/trust/credibility, but I will take him any day over Gillard. I would probably take ANYONE over her at the moment though, so that is probably not saying much.

I see where the new boss of the ACTU... is bringing back the good old days as well..

a bit of the biff.. marching through the streets...


is that okay???

you I take it are in favor of that... as why would he even talk like that if FAIRWORK was the B.all and end.all.


when you talk about POWER take a good look at the real POWER HUNGRY.


mmmmmmmmm another construction company goes into receivership..


FWA must be working a treat.

adelcrow wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

john_g wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 7:53pm: If Abbott does bring back Workchoices, then I will have officially lost any shred of faith in either party, and would see Abbott as the biggest hypocrite in Australia. He doesn't exactly fill me with faith/trust/credibility, but I will take him any day over Gillard. I would probably take ANYONE over her at the moment though, so that is probably not saying much. With the Greens rising in the polls and looking to get yet another Senate seat how does Abbott think he will get any regressive policies through the senate? The Greens are all we have left between an idiotic and incompetent Labor Party and a regressive hate mongering power hungry Coalition

what 'rising'? they are polling 12% currently or exactly their vote at the last election. And notably, the Greens poll 2% more than they actually get votes. eg in 2010 they were polling at 14% and got 11.7%. By that measurment their vote has DROPPED. and every state election since 2010 has shown a green vote LOWER than 2010 as well.

'rising'? only in your dreams.

Another boatload of illegal immigrants was intercepted today. Labor = Losers.