The Japanes got sick of US soldiers raping schoolgirls, so now they are coming here.

US to move 9,000 Marines from Okinawa

Japan and the United States have announced 9,000 US Marines stationed in Okinawa will be shifted to Australia, Guam, Hawaii and other locations.

In a move Washington hopes will ease sometimes fractious relations with Japan, it is pulling out nearly half of the 19,000 US Marines currently stationed in Okinawa, the largest of the Ryukyu Islands, in the northern Pacific.

"A total of approximately 9,000 US Marines, along with their associated dependents, are to be relocated from Okinawa to locations outside of Japan," a joint statement issued in Washington and Tokyo said.

The foreign and defence ministers of the two countries say the move is to cope with the changing security environment in the Asia-Pacific region.

''These adjustments are necessary to realize a US force posture in the Asia-Pacific region that is more geographically distributed, operationally resilient and politically sustainable,'' the statement said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-27/us-moves-92c000-marines-from-okinawa/3976250

falah wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 11:26pm:

The Japanes got sick of US soldiers raping schoolgirls, so now they are coming here. US to move 9,000 Marines from Okinawa Japan and the United States have announced 9,000 US Marines stationed in Okinawa will be shifted to Australia, Guam, Hawaii and other locations. In a move Washington hopes will ease sometimes fractious relations with Japan, it is pulling out nearly half of the 19,000 US Marines currently stationed in Okinawa, the largest of the Ryukyu Islands, in the northern Pacific. "A total of approximately 9,000 US Marines, along with their associated dependents, are to be relocated from Okinawa to locations outside of Japan," a joint statement issued in Washington and Tokyo said. The foreign and defence ministers of the two countries say the move is to cope with the changing security environment in the Asia-Pacific region. ''These adjustments are necessary to realize a US force posture in the Asia-Pacific region that is more geographically distributed, operationally resilient and politically sustainable,'' the statement said. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-27/us-moves-92c000-marines-from-okinawa/3976250

Hmmmm

At least the japanese dont stone the schoolgirls .

Why do we always end up with the dregs of American society? Schoolgirls in Darwin, be warned, don't go out alone.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 6:37am:

Why do we always end up with the dregs of American society? Schoolgirls in Darwin, be warned, don't go out alone.

Given you are perfectly happy to turn a blind eye to human rights of people in China, why do you care about these then Pansi?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 7:25am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 6:37am: Why do we always end up with the dregs of American society? Schoolgirls in Darwin, be warned, don't go out alone. Given you are perfectly happy to turn a blind eye to human rights of people in China, why do you care about these then Pansi?

I am a paid up member of Amnesty International and I don't turn a blind eye to human rights abuses wherever they take place.

You are confusing my admiration for China as the new financial world power. I expect we would have less laws broken if it were Chinese soldiers we were importing, rather than American. The Chinese can discipline their own behaviour and they wouldn't be as drug addicted, so China wins over America.

Good try, but bad.....

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 7:50am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 7:25am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 6:37am: Why do we always end up with the dregs of American society? Schoolgirls in Darwin, be warned, don't go out alone. Given you are perfectly happy to turn a blind eye to human rights of people in China, why do you care about these then Pansi? I am a paid up member of Amnesty International and I don't turn a blind eye to human rights abuses wherever they take place. You are confusing my admiration for China as the new financial world power. I expect we would have less laws broken if it were Chinese soldiers we were importing, rather than American. The Chinese can discipline their own behaviour and they wouldn't be as drug addicted, so China wins over America. Good try, but bad.....

China also runs tanks over unarmed student protestors, has an animal rights record like that of a 3rd world African sh*thole, shoots praying buddhists in the back and carts away dissenters.

Yep full of admiration.

Some would even call you a hypocrite.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 7:57am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 7:50am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 7:25am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 6:37am: Why do we always end up with the dregs of American society? Schoolgirls in Darwin, be warned, don't go out alone. Given you are perfectly happy to turn a blind eye to human rights of people in China, why do you care about these then Pansi? I am a paid up member of Amnesty International and I don't turn a blind eye to human rights abuses wherever they take place. You are confusing my admiration for China as the new financial world power. I expect we would have less laws broken if it were Chinese soldiers we were importing, rather than American. The Chinese can discipline their own behaviour and they wouldn't be as drug addicted, so China wins over America. Good try, but bad..... China also runs tanks over unarmed student protestors, has an animal rights record like that of a 3rd world African sh*thole, shoots praying buddhists in the back and carts away dissenters. Yep full of admiration. Some would even call you a hypocrite.

Were you a wee baby when that happened Andrei?

China are quickly becoming westernised and modern, with their new found prosperity they will improve on their human rights abuses, whereas America are rescinding their citizen's rights.

China is improving, America is descending into an even bigger sh1thole than it already is.

Can't handle not being top dog andrei, neither can Obama, so you're not alone.

I can't see China invading one country after another.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 8:17am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 7:57am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 7:50am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 7:25am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 6:37am: Why do we always end up with the dregs of American society? Schoolgirls in Darwin, be warned, don't go out alone. Given you are perfectly happy to turn a blind eye to human rights of people in China, why do you care about these then Pansi? I am a paid up member of Amnesty International and I don't turn a blind eye to human rights abuses wherever they take place. You are confusing my admiration for China as the new financial world power. I expect we would have less laws broken if it were Chinese soldiers we were importing, rather than American. The Chinese can discipline their own behaviour and they wouldn't be as drug addicted, so China wins over America. Good try, but bad..... China also runs tanks over unarmed student protestors, has an animal rights record like that of a 3rd world African sh*thole, shoots praying buddhists in the back and carts away dissenters. Yep full of admiration. Some would even call you a hypocrite. Were you a wee baby when that happened Andrei? China are quickly becoming westernised and modern, with their new found prosperity they will improve on their human rights abuses, whereas America are rescinding their citizen's rights. China is improving, America is descending into an even bigger sh1thole than it already is. Can't handle not being top dog andrei, neither can Obama, so you're not alone. I can't see China invading one country after another.

Still not seeing an ounce of condemnation of China's atrocious human rights record.....

So we are getting more american soldiers here? Anyone else think this is getting a bit suss? A lil bit @ a time they are creeping in. Maybe they are getting ready for in case abbott gets in they can take him down for us.

SOB

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 8:21am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 8:17am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 7:57am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 7:50am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 7:25am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 6:37am: Why do we always end up with the dregs of American society? Schoolgirls in Darwin, be warned, don't go out alone. Given you are perfectly happy to turn a blind eye to human rights of people in China, why do you care about these then Pansi? I am a paid up member of Amnesty International and I don't turn a blind eye to human rights abuses wherever they take place. You are confusing my admiration for China as the new financial world power. I expect we would have less laws broken if it were Chinese soldiers we were importing, rather than American. The Chinese can discipline their own behaviour and they wouldn't be as drug addicted, so China wins over America. Good try, but bad..... China also runs tanks over unarmed student protestors, has an animal rights record like that of a 3rd world African sh*thole, shoots praying buddhists in the back and carts away dissenters. Yep full of admiration. Some would even call you a hypocrite. Were you a wee baby when that happened Andrei? China are quickly becoming westernised and modern, with their new found prosperity they will improve on their human rights abuses, whereas America are rescinding their citizen's rights. China is improving, America is descending into an even bigger sh1thole than it already is. Can't handle not being top dog andrei, neither can Obama, so you're not alone. I can't see China invading one country after another. Still not seeing an ounce of condemnation of China's atrocious human rights record.....

I have actively taken part in an Amnesty campaign that criticises China and their atrocious human rights abuses.

China has atrocious human rights practices. They are to be condemned for their human rights abuses.

Even though they have a long way to go, China have shown a willingness to improve their human rights abuses.

Should we dare to condemn Australia and America for their human rights abuses? I have also taken part in Amnesty campaigns criticising these two countries.

The difference is that China is a developing nation and Australia and the US are supposedly first world countries, no excuses.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 8:41am:

China have shown a willingness to improve their human rights abuses. .

Really?
So they have released those political prisoners then?
They are allowing back the Dalai Lama?
They are giving the people of Tibet back their freedom?

No.
Didn't think so.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:04am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 8:41am: China have shown a willingness to improve their human rights abuses. . Really? So they have released those political prisoners then? They are allowing back the Dalai Lama? They are giving the people of Tibet back their freedom? No. Didn't think so.

Your subservience to the USA is showing!

How many years were people locked up in Guantanimo Bay without any hope of a trial?
How many US presidents have refused to meet the Dalai Lama - at China's insistence?

Preaching is all the US is good for.  Practicing is beyond them.

glee wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:04am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 8:41am: China have shown a willingness to improve their human rights abuses. . Really? So they have released those political prisoners then? They are allowing back the Dalai Lama? They are giving the people of Tibet back their freedom? No. Didn't think so. Your subservience to the USA is showing! How many years were people locked up in Guantanimo Bay without any hope of a trial? How many US presidents have refused to meet the Dalai Lama - at China's insistence? Preaching is all the US is good for.  Practicing is beyond them.

Innocent tourists like David Hicks you mean?
Yeah that was a shame wasnt it.....

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:25am:

glee wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:24am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:04am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 8:41am: China have shown a willingness to improve their human rights abuses. . Really? So they have released those political prisoners then? They are allowing back the Dalai Lama? They are giving the people of Tibet back their freedom? No. Didn't think so. Your subservience to the USA is showing! How many years were people locked up in Guantanimo Bay without any hope of a trial? How many US presidents have refused to meet the Dalai Lama - at China's insistence? Preaching is all the US is good for.  Practicing is beyond them. Innocent tourists like David Hicks you mean? Yeah that was a shame wasnt it.....

Not for you to decide.  The US have courts of law for that.  The fact that you even bring up the issue of Hicks and agree with what the US did and yet point the finger at another country doing the same just shows your hypocrisy.

glee wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

How many US presidents have refused to meet the Dalai Lama - at China's insistence? .

Presidents in recent history who have met the Dalai Lama -

Barack Obama
George W Bush
William J Clinton
George H W Bush


George W Bush met the Dalai Lama in the Rotunda on Capitol Hill when the USA presented him with the Congressional Medal of Freedom.

Yeah - practicing and preaching....

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:28am:

glee wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:24am: How many US presidents have refused to meet the Dalai Lama - at China's insistence? . Presidents in recent history who have met the Dalai Lama - Barack Obama George W Bush William J Clinton George H W Bush George W Bush met the Dalai Lama in the Rotunda on Capitol Hill when the USA presented him with the Congressional Medal of Freedom. Yeah - practicing and preaching....

and many times they refused or cancelled at the last minute.  Even you would have to agree that the US has no definite policy regarding supporting Tibet and the Dalai Lama and are just as tied to China's response as any other country.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 6:37am:

Why do we always end up with the dregs of American society? Schoolgirls in Darwin, be warned, don't go out alone.

There is a British lady at work who only has good things to say about American soldiers.

By the way, without being too idealistic but this country is more than just a country.

America is an idea, its the shining city on the hill - the place people aspire to and to be a part.
It represents freedom, hope and democracy.

No matter where you are in the world, people know America and they want to be it.
It's the place of Coca-Cola, McDonalds, Nike, MTV etc

If you are in the Arab world, the jungles of Honduras, the middle of Niger or Chad, Singapore etc - they all have the culture of the United States and look to it.

The country is a beacon and an ideology.

Long may that remain the case.

People will never look to the People's Republic of China for such leadership.

You obviously fail to understand the term improving.

I have condemned China's practices, now it's your turn to acknowledge America's disregard for human rights or I have every right to call you hypocritical.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:42am:

By the way, without being too idealistic but this country is more than just a country. America is an idea, its the shining city on the hill - the place people aspire to and to be a part. It represents freedom, hope and democracy. No matter where you are in the world, people know America and they want to be it. It's the place of Coca-Cola, McDonalds, Nike, MTV etc If you are in the Arab world, the jungles of Honduras, the middle of Niger or Chad, Singapore etc - they all have the culture of the United States and look to it. The country is a beacon and an ideology. Long may that remain the case. People will never look to the People's Republic of China for such leadership.

If so many nations wanted to follow America's idealism, why are so many nations hating them?

Democracy is a French idea and the hamburgers are a German thing and freedom doesn't exist in America.

Isn't everyone in America about to be followed and monitored by the establishment? Freedom American style lol

Puts it better than anyone ever has -

"I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever communicated what I saw when I said it.

But in my mind it was a tall proud city, built on rocks stronger than oceans, wind-swept, God blessed and teeming with people of all kinds, living in harmony and peace. And if this city had to have walls, the walls had doors and these doors were open to anyone with the will and heart to get here.

That's how I saw it and see it still.

And how stands the city on this winter night?

More prosperous, more secure and happier than it was eight years ago. But more than that after 200 years, she still stands strong and true on the granite bridge and her glow is held steady no matter what the storm.

And she's still a beacon, still a magnet for all those who look to it and must have freedom.

I tell you what we've done our part and as I walk off into the city street, a final word to the men and women of the Reagan revolution, who for 8 years did the work that brought America back.

My friends we did it, we weren't just marking time, we made a difference, we made the city stronger, we made the city free-er and we leave her in good hands.
All in all, not bad. Not bad at all.

And so goodbye, God bless you and God bless this United States of America"


Ronald Reagan
Jan 11, 1989


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiSyGi7IQvk

An Oscar for Reagan's performance in that one. He wasn't such a bad actor after all, that was almost believable, then we remember it was acting.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 6:37am:

Schoolgirls in Darwin, be warned, don't go out alone.

Yep, watch out for tanks driving on the right side of the road. Don't get crushed! ;D :D


Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:42am:

America is an idea, its the shining city on the hill - the place people aspire to and to be a part. It represents freedom, hope and democracy.

The U.S. hasn't always supported democracy. There are countries that the U.S. government supports whose governments aren't democratic.


Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:42am:

People will never look to the People's Republic of China for such leadership.

It's not like every country in the world is lining up for "Western democracy." Many Middle-Eastern (like Iran, Syria, Egypt, Jordan) and socialist countries (like Cuba) have elections and "democracy" but they are not like our's.

South-East Asian countries have democracies, but they also have capital punishment. An ethnically Asian Australian was executed in Singapore for taking drugs into an airport. Even the USA still has capital punishment in some States. Some of these SE Asian countries still have monarchs and if you criticise the king, expect to be executed or thrown into jail (I think it's Thailand).

Many of these countries demand "tough leaders," leaders who don't hesitate to intimidate, bully and blackmail others to get what they want, and it isn't inconceivable for China to start influencing these countries more than the USA. The Chinese government has a "strong face" that it presents to its people and to the world and this "strong face" seems to be behind its success. China's GDP has been growing steadily for several decades now. It's a result of "strong leadership." When a particular ideology is repeated often enough and its results are consistently and positively proven, that's enough for people to be converted and to continue to support it.

If the USA was to suffer a major military defeat in Asia and its military power was significantly weakened, China would start having more influence in the region. Its political philosophy would start influencing governments in Asia. People would forget about American freedom and start thinking about Chinese toughness. Democracy would cease to be seen as a path to justice and people will instead call for strong leadership with an iron grip.

Western democracy is over-rated. It isn't as if American democracy doesn't have its problems, like religious fundamentalism dominating or interfering with its politics. When politicians start talking about Jesus, how the country is "Christian" or opposing gay-marriage, you've got a problem. I don't know why Christianity keeps getting mixed up with the affairs of state. Blame the Roman Emperor Constantine.

You underestimate the power of the dark side.

>>When a particular ideology is repeated often enough and its results are consistently and positively proven, that's enough for people to be converted and to continue to support it.<<

North Korea springs to mind...

LifeMasque wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 12:15pm:

>>When a particular ideology is repeated often enough and its results are consistently and positively proven, that's enough for people to be converted and to continue to support it.<< North Korea springs to mind...

Ppl have to be gullible in the first place.

SOB

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:59am:

Puts it better than anyone ever has - [i]"I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was...More prosperous, more secure and happier than it was eight years ago...My friends we did it, we weren't just marking time, we made a difference... Ronald Reagan Jan 11, 1989

http://roguemedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/reaganomics-trickle-down.jpg


Reagan = Sherriff of Nottingham

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b1ePD_Hi_w&feature=related


http://media.theunderstatement.com/005_B_us_wealth_distribution.png

Come on down! Perhaps we can put you in Coastal Patrol boats and you can help keep these uninvited guests away.

Welcome Americans!

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 12:38pm:

Ppl have to be gullible in the first place.

All you have to do is eliminate the social/political infrastructure that prevents such gullibility from taking place: independent media, Constitution protecting human rights and supporting free speech, separation of powers, independent judiciary/courts, Miranda rights, limited arrest/search/interrogation powers for the police, privacy laws, a government open to public scrutiny and an education system that teaches people to think for themselves rather than indoctrinating them with nationalism and jingoism.

The people can't do anything against state propaganda if the system works against them.

It isn't actually that hard to throw democracy out the window. Once you establish an iron grip on society, censor all sensitive information from the media and create a National Internet Firewall, all you have to do is eliminate the older generation -- those who remember what things were like before the iron grip started. The younger generation will grow up believing the lies. This is what happened in the last 20 years after Tiananmen Square. It's that easy. It's even easier when people don't want to know the truth.

Examples include the Great Omission from Japanese textbooks and the Great Firewall of China.

How many of us know what life was like 20-50 years ago? I can only find out from TV depictions, history books and informative web pages and YouTube videos.

The easiest way to get rid of democracy is to just turn off the Internet, close down all the media, all universities and replace them with organisations you trust will tell the people what you want. If a message is repeated often enough, people will then start believing it. Wait 20-50 years and see what happens. The fact that we need to be kept up-to-date with things just shows how easy it is to create misinformation.

Quote:

Mnemonic wrote a government open to public scrutiny and an education system that teaches people to think for themselves rather than indoctrinating them with nationalism and jingoism.

And what if people consciously choose to be nationalists or jingoists?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 7:01pm:

Quote: Mnemonic wrote a government open to public scrutiny and an education system that teaches people to think for themselves rather than indoctrinating them with nationalism and jingoism. And what if people consciously choose to be nationalists or jingoists?

Sheeples you mean. There's always the sheeples, that's why we have one bad government after another. Non-thinkers and easily led.

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 6:20pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 12:38pm: Ppl have to be gullible in the first place. All you have to do is eliminate the social/political infrastructure that prevents such gullibility from taking place: independent media, Constitution protecting human rights and supporting free speech, separation of powers, independent judiciary/courts, Miranda rights, limited arrest/search/interrogation powers for the police, privacy laws, a government open to public scrutiny and an education system that teaches people to think for themselves rather than indoctrinating them with nationalism and jingoism. The people can't do anything against state propaganda if the system works against them. It isn't actually that hard to throw democracy out the window. Once you establish an iron grip on society, censor all sensitive information from the media and create a National Internet Firewall, all you have to do is eliminate the older generation -- those who remember what things were like before the iron grip started. The younger generation will grow up believing the lies. This is what happened in the last 20 years after Tiananmen Square. It's that easy. It's even easier when people don't want to know the truth. Examples include the Great Omission from Japanese textbooks and the Great Firewall of China. How many of us know what life was like 20-50 years ago? I can only find out from TV depictions, history books and informative web pages and YouTube videos. The easiest way to get rid of democracy is to just turn off the Internet, close down all the media, all universities and replace them with organisations you trust will tell the people what you want. If a message is repeated often enough, people will then start believing it. Wait 20-50 years and see what happens. The fact that we need to be kept up-to-date with things just shows how easy it is to create misinformation.

Yeah. Hope i find this thread again tomorrow morning.

SOB

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 7:15pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 7:01pm: Quote: Mnemonic wrote a government open to public scrutiny and an education system that teaches people to think for themselves rather than indoctrinating them with nationalism and jingoism. And what if people consciously choose to be nationalists or jingoists? Sheeples you mean. There's always the sheeples, that's why we have one bad government after another. Non-thinkers and easily led.

Pffft. You think all governments are bad regardless.
What you call "thinking" is all that anarchist and socialist rubbish.

All you have to do is eliminate the social/political infrastructure that prevents such gullibility from taking place

I think the powers that be have been very successful at achieveing this end over the last 40 years

]independent media  - Are your seriously suggesting we have an open and unmonopolised press? Have you been reading the press lately at all? Have you had a chance to consider whats happened with Murdoch and Packer and Black over he ast 30 years?  I think once you appraise the evidence that suggests the increasing concentration of control over the editorial content in MSM (worlwide) and that the primary consideration for a successful media organisation is a growing profit margin - then it is easy to see that the messenger of "news" is a vehicle used to brainwash the masses into accepting that capitalism is a preferable form of democracy than other forms....... MSM is simpley the Kings messenger. Is the King going to tell the people the way the social/political infrastructure isn't running like it should and needs to be dismantled. When I was a kid we got told Christiansens story of the Knigs new robes - did you hear of this tale?



Constitution protecting human rights and supporting free speech  - It's right abut here unfortunately that your lack of knowledge regarding the "Australian Constitution" shines through. By the time any sort of "Constitution" was considered neccessary for the newly fedserating colonies of the antipodes the English monarchy and it's brawling aristocracy had paid for and learnt a lesson from war with the american colonies. It was certain that the interests of the blue bloods and it's corporations would be better served by a Constitution the inferred that the citizens of this colony had acquired some rights and responsibilites through natural association from the magna carta. Unlike the massive and extrordinary rights that are explicitly drawn up and reiforced to clearly outline the rights of commercial religious organisations, there are NO CLEARLY DESCRIBED HUMAN RIGHTS IN OUR CONSTITUTION. We have masses amounts of laws that can be changed and repealed and new ones brought in - on the whim of any government that controls both houses of parliment. Thankfully there hasn't been an Äustralian Milosovich or Bush in our past political history. But t suggest we have some form of enduring unassiable human rights in our capatilist democracy is a joke...........  It is however one of the reasons many international corporations will continue to invest in AUstralia no matter who has the reigns of power. That as the Constitutionally enshrined rights of commercioal etities under the Corporations Act entitles them to certain rights that can not be removed without a change in the Constitution ie a referendum, soveriegn risk is almost zero.


separation of powers - Do yourself a favour and read Power without Glory idf you havent already as a quick primer on the framework Oz politics still chiefly works within today. For an living microcosmic example of how the Oz landscape can be experienced live in Tasmania for a couple of years. One of the most didactic, polarised, secular, politicised populations I have ever lived in. Then tell me we live in a society here in Oz where there is a seperation of powers.

independent judiciary/courts[i] - see above. further, having experienced first hand the wonder of how QLD operated through the 70-80's as well as having the distinction of having been a victim of the "list" the QLD police force  "special branch" kept, I can tell you mate you are dreaming.

[i]Miranda rights  - see above, no such things as rights. we have priviliges that can be withdrawn. But we have no rights that have not been explicitly defined through precedence in the courts. Here in Oz there is a Federal Law that allows CITIZENS to be dragged of for up to 7 days without having to notify ANYONE of your detention. If you notify anyone - you face contempt of court proceedings. If any family is notified of your detention and they tell anyone - they face 20 years in boo for contempt of court.  Savvy? Mate it is a long way from anything you understand as a democratic state. It is merely a veeneer that can be stripped away with a new act of parliment.

limited arrest/search/interrogation powers for the police - see above


privacy laws - privacy laws SUCK. the only thing they do is give CORPORATIONS the right in law to stop the public what nasty crap they are up to while trying to screw the public for an even greater profit on the balance sheets - euphamistically reffered to as growth. Ironinc isn't it that mining and resource giants destroy forests and whole ecosystems for, wait for it, growth  8-) 8-) 8-)

a government open to public scrutiny   - the only thing Government is open for over here mate is corruption.
until there is a requirement for politicians their immediate families and political appointees  to register pecuniary interests (worldwide) for their lifetime and the acquiesance to full auditing by a delegated authority then our pollies will always have their nose in the trough. Essentially remove the reason most of them get into politics to start with.


an education system that teaches people to think for themselves rather than indoctrinating them with nationalism and jingoism   - it's right about here I've got a funny feeling you are trying to be funny here. As Oz has a fully funded religious schooling sector here that is loosely based on the principle of - those who help themselves do best it is becoming quite clear your impresson of Australia is loosely based around the diplomatic myopia of MSM - if they have denim jeans then they have the same form of democracy as us (U.S.A.).

The people can't do anything against state propaganda if the system works against them.  -- We are in total agreement. And as long as there is a federal licencing system that is discriminatory, legalistic, unaffordable and censored for community groups that are cash strapped things will not change soon.


Once you establish an iron grip on society, censor all sensitive information from the media and create a National Internet Firewall - Mien Gott, Its almost like you know the history of politics of Australia for the last fifty years, as this is exactly what the present system describes for me.


It isn't actually that hard to throw democracy out the window.   --- I got some bad news for you. It's already happened.



all you have to do is eliminate the older generation --  Yup, isolate them from the work force. tick. Make their values seem outmoded and stupid. tick.


The younger generation will grow up believing the lies. This is what happened in the last 20 years after Tiananmen Square. It's that easy. It's even easier when people don't want to know the truth.

Examples include the Great Omission from Japanese textbooks and the Great Firewall of China. include the the Australian IP Block Technology, The Power to Detain with Notice, The Power to Enter War illegally Without a Good Reason, The Cheapening of Australian Workers by Making Them Compete with Low Paid Foreign Workers. The list goes on and on and on

How many of us know what life was like 20-50 years ago? I can only find out from TV depictions, history books and informative web pages and YouTube videos. -  if you weren't a victim of the social experiment in dehumanising your older generation you'd have spoken to them first hand by now and heard their stories.................................. how long before you ask someone older than you what it was like before you were allowed to stuff thing s up for the rest of us.

The easiest way to get rid of democracy is to just turn off the Internet, close down all the media, all universities and replace them with organisations you trust will tell the people what you want.  --- Are you a lunatic? The pendulum has just started to sway back the other way for the first time in nearly 400 years of information containment. The attempts by present governments, none the least by the U.S. or Oz or Britain, to clamp down and CENSOR what is being said and repeated on the web is no different in effect to the attempts by clerics to burn printing presses in the past.
             

If a message is repeated often enough, people will then start believing it. Wait 20-50 years and see what happens. The fact that we need to be kept up-to-date with things just shows how easy it is to create misinformation --------- MMmmmm. I personally tink the power of discrimination - the ability to differentiate one thing under consideration from another - is the greatest ability we need presently in this world.


I am personally very jealous of the U.S. citizens Bill of Rights. I'd give up everything I own, and I mean everything if it meant the realisation of a similar enshrinement in our Constitution. But the days that might occur within my lifetime are fast fading with the noose like grip the greed has on the average Australian persons ideals and values in living life.

There is - as usual - prolly a heap of typo's. Read it and weep.  :D eor