http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/mirandadevine/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/hysteria_as_cops_make_innocents_the_priority/

THE chorus of condemnation, protest and ridiculous advice that has rained down on the police this week explains why hoodlums can shoot up Sydney with impunity almost every night.

We have emasculated and feminised our police to the point the bad guys don’t fear them.

They know that any time an officer actually demonstrates force in defence of the community, he (because it’s almost always he) will be damned, and dragged through the wringer to explain the actions of a split second.

But if it were you pinned under that allegedly stolen car and dragged along a footpath in Kings Cross on Saturday night, you would want the police to do whatever they could to stop the vehicle, even if it meant shooting at it.

In that instant in which police rely on their reflexes to tell them what to do, the public wants them to save our lives, not to hesitate and second-guess what Cameron Murphy and the Greens might say afterwards.

It’s tragic that a 14-year-old and 17-year-old were shot, and that the younger boy remains in a coma. But if it comes to a choice between them and the two innocent women they mowed down after the allegedly stolen car they were driving mounted the kerb, there is no choice.

One of the women reportedly was pinned under the car as it careered along the footpath, and she is lucky she wasn’t more badly injured.

But that doesn’t stop armchair critics intent on stirring up trouble.

The angry protest yesterday afternoon organised by Ray Jackson of the Indigenous Social Justice Association outside Parliament House in Macquarie St tells you the mood is volatile enough already.

Jackson told the crowd the police were “idiots” and questioned whether they should carry weapons at all.

Teenagers yelled “f ... the police, some wore black balaclavas and others were drinking and blocking Macquarie St.

But as details of the lengthy police records of the juveniles emerge, the real question is why children so young are so out of control. Allowed to roam the streets at 4am, pulled up by police hundreds of times between them, they clearly feared no authority and bowed to no discipline. Where their parents have obviously failed, the state is supposed to take over.

The police have done their job, apprehending the boys over and over since they were about 10 years old, but the courts have let us down.

Attorney General Greg Smith wants to keep juveniles out of prison, because they become hardened criminals inside. That is a noble aim. But the problem is that leaving them on the streets is no better.

The more they get away with, the more empowered they become, the more risks they take and the more dangerous they become to themselves and the community.

If juvenile detention is so brutal, then change juvenile detention. Don’t release feral children into the community that has already done them so much harm.

In the end police are all we have left to pick up the pieces and wear the blame if something goes wrong.

It is extraordinary that they bother at all. You could hardly blame them for standing by and doing nothing. There would be a lot less trouble.

But the sacrifice of good noble police officers over the past 15 years on the altar of political correctness and affirmative action is why we have criminals in this city who have no fear of the law.

NSW Police Minister Mike Gallacher and Premier Barry O’Farrell have said they support the police.

They need to prove it with more than words.

easy chioce as far as I can tell. if it was my daughter being run over - then they couldn't stop them quick enough. If the miscreant in the car was my son,I would visit them in hospital and tell him "I told you this reckless behaviour was dangerous and in the end it would catch up with you - and now it has. What have you got to say for yourself now?"

It is a damn shame tho'that anyone, let alone a kid should be hurt in trying to prevent any sort of criminal activity. But hey, criminals for a long time have had a saying that essentially says '"you do the crime, you get caught - you do the tme". The time in this instance is being paid for with the loss of life though - what a tragic waste of life.

On a different note but I think not entirely unrelated to the topic at hand, kids up here in QLD are really finding it hard to get their P plates because of the costs involved. For example if you are unable to find someone through your family or friends to get time in the log book (you need a hundred hours of practice before you can do your prac test - and I agree that the time is neccessary) you have to pay someone to get your driving lessons. now if you need a hundred hours and each hour is approx worth $25-30 hr that works out to be a lot of money for kids who come from low-paid families that usually live far from sources of work out in the urban sprawl...........

maybe there is some form of connection here I don't know, but if your going to make a once highly esteemed right of passage for every young person entering the phase of life where some skeerick of independance is granted according to a skill learnt rather than the ability to pay - and instead replace it with a right accorded if you can pay or have someone else foot the bill (if you come from an affluent family) then I would find it easy to think there is going to be a forever growing number of kids who make up a section of the community that will for years be very envious and perhaps even vengefull at not having the same oppurtunity to acquire a licence - and thereby increase your ability to find work......... and other oppurtunities.


But maybe I'm wrong for thinking that.....

I've got no gripe with the police doing their job. In this case the police did what they had to do right up until the youth was shot, still ok with that, but the punching after the shooting was uncalled for. The perpetrator was already subdued and the cop still saw fit to punch the living daylights out of him. There was no need for the extra testosterone release in my opinion.

Feminise the police force? WTH?

You really should watch what you read you know. That bias creeps into your brain if you keep inputting it.

SOB

"We have emasculated and feminised our police to the point the bad guys don’t fear them."
"There was no need for the extra testosterone release in my opinion. "
That's how the males become feminine_ it's Kings Cross.

I think this subject has been covered to the point of saturation hasn't it?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 6:32am:

I've got no gripe with the police doing their job. In this case the police did what they had to do right up until the youth was shot, still ok with that, but the punching after the shooting was uncalled for. The perpetrator was already subdued and the cop still saw fit to punch the living daylights out of him. There was no need for the extra testosterone release in my opinion.

Couldnn't agree more.

Totally uncalled-for, and no 'explanation' is acceptable, AFAIC.

The police MUST learn that they are there to UPHOLD the law.

They are NOT, themselves,  the law, despite what they may think.

And they wonder why they don't get 'respect'........

We need to bring back the noose -
that will stop them.

The police force are supposed to be upstanding members of the community, instead they mimic the  behaviour of the thugs they are arresting. How can impressionable young minds look up to them if they are not doing the right thing.

Digital camera's have been their downfall.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 10:14am:

We need to bring back the noose - that will stop them.

No, I don't think we need to go quite THAT far to stop police bashing suspects unnecessarily.

Kat wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 10:29am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 10:14am: We need to bring back the noose - that will stop them. No, I don't think we need to go quite THAT far to stop police bashing suspects unnecessarily.

Kat - you're cheeky -
I meant for the attempted murder of the woman under the car.
Hang the bastards!

The hindsight heroes still at it I see.

FD I agree with every point made except that the suspects being shot was a tragedy except from the point of inadequate marksmanship.

The judiciary have a lot to answer for.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 6:32am:

I've got no gripe with the police doing their job. In this case the police did what they had to do right up until the youth was shot, still ok with that, but the punching after the shooting was uncalled for. The perpetrator was already subdued and the cop still saw fit to punch the living daylights out of him. There was no need for the extra testosterone release in my opinion.

More to do with understandable anger and situational adrenaline than testosterone IMO.

So have to say I don't have a problem with it.

If they were beating up on a middle aged mother of three for throwing chips at the cricket that would be a different story.

red baron was right. the thread is saturated. I'm against hanging police, too.

The problem is not so much about police but involves weak sentencing law, racism, and poor education resources and outcomes in the lower socio-economic areas of Australia.
The dismepowerment of fathers in Western society is also a problem.


Solution:
1. Have sentences that actually deter crime.
2. Improve schools in Indigenous and lower-socioeconimic areas.
3. Ensure that fathers have access to their children, and are allowed to use corporal punishment when necessary.

chimera wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:17pm:

red baron was right. the thread is saturated. I'm against hanging police, too.

Is that saturated like the Slipper threads or the anti ETS threads or the Julia threads, take the opinion to where someone cares the feedback board.

The underlying issues are huge. Social issues, youth issues, aboriginal issues, kings cross, police culture, failing laws that don't achieve what they are meant to, legal system that is out of sync with the police, massively under resourced police force, dysfunctional political system. When 50 years of evidence proves conclusively that prohibition of drugs has been a complete and catastrophic failure but any idea of doing something different or even discussing it is frozen out by politicians you have to ask who is corrupt and why?

falah wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:27pm:

The dismepowerment of fathers in Western society is also a problem. 3. Ensure that fathers have access to their children, and are allowed to use corporal punishment when necessary.

Girls must be under fathers' power, like wives, and punished if they ger raped and poke their nose through the burqa.
Governments must be ruled by Mohammed, bless the old criminal camel-train killer. Islam prevents coruption in government.

chimera wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:40pm:

falah wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 1:27pm: The dismepowerment of fathers in Western society is also a problem. 3. Ensure that fathers have access to their children, and are allowed to use corporal punishment when necessary. Girls must be under fathers' power, like wives, and punished if they ger raped

Only a sick mind would come with such a statment. People like you should not be allowed to live in Australia.

falah wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:27pm:
Solution:
1. Have sentences that actually deter crime. [/quote]

It has been proven that harsher sentencing does not work as a deterent. If you want whipping returned then that might scare a few away.


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2. Improve schools in Indigenous and lower-socioeconimic areas.

I agree that education is the key to the improvement of the situation, but you are clearly naive to the realities of this. Poor education is not just due to restricted access to education.


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3. Ensure that fathers have access to their children, and are allowed to use corporal punishment when necessary.

I agree parents need to take much clearer responsibility for their children and should be responsible to the courts for their children's actions but letting their dads beat them is not that answer.

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It has been proven that harsher sentencing does not work as a deterent. If you want whipping returned then that might scare a few away.

Falah wants people stoned to death for having sex with the wrong person. (But it is OK to rape your wife).

nairbe wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

falah wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 1:27pm: Solution: 1. Have sentences that actually deter crime. It has been proven that harsher sentencing does not work as a deterent. If you want whipping returned then that might scare a few away.

Really? How was this "proven"?

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:57pm:

Quote: It has been proven that harsher sentencing does not work as a deterent. If you want whipping returned then that might scare a few away. Falah wants people stoned to death for having sex with the wrong person. (But it is OK to rape your wife).

More of your lies Freediver? Don't you have any shame?


What I notice is that you like to lie about Muslims and Islam, while ignoring things like an Israeli Defence Force rabbi saying that Israeli soldiers can rape women, or newspaper reports of Orthodox Jewish rabbis suck babys' penises in their rituals.

Freediver, are you working for Mossad?

Falah, what is the proper Islamic punishment for Adultery?

Or are you referring to the 'rape your wife' thing because you don't think this is possible. We have explained to you what rape is already. Sex without consent is still rape, even if it is your own wife that you are raping. Just because Islam legalises rape does not mean it ceases to be rape.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 2:03pm:

Falah, what is the proper Islamic punishment for Adultery? Or are you referring to the 'rape your wife' thing because you don't think this is possible. We have explained to you what rape is already. Sex without consent is still rape, even if it is your own wife that you are raping. Just because Islam legalises rape does not mean it ceases to be rape.

Freediver, you know you are a habitual liar.

Can you show me where Islam "legalises rape" or where I said it is "OK to rape your wife"?

If not, be known for the liar that you clearly are.

How Falah squirms out of the his support for legalised rape by claiming that no means yes:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335585972

Like everyone on this planet apart from lunatics and psychopaths most Muslims are as appalled by rape and the abuse of women and children as anyone else.
Only fundamentalists take the Koran the Bible or any other ancient religious script word for word literally and most people who consider themselves Muslim, Christian, Hindu etc are not fundamentalists.

Falah is appalled by it too. He just doesn't think you should be punished for raping your wife.

He also appears to think that constantly accusing someone of lying is a substitute for a rational argument or a straight answer.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 2:08pm:

How Falah squirms out of the his support for legalised rape by claiming that no means yes: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335585972

More lies from Freediver? Aren't you embarrassed enough yet to have so many of your lies exposed?

The link you provided does not state what you claim.

Anyone who follows the link will see this.

falah wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 1:58pm:

nairbe wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 1:53pm: falah wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 1:27pm: Solution: 1. Have sentences that actually deter crime. It has been proven that harsher sentencing does not work as a deterent. If you want whipping returned then that might scare a few away. Really? How was this "proven"?

Because for the past thirty years we have been progressively making our sentencing tougher and tougher but crime has risen. We have made it a terrible crime to smoke pot or grow a few plants so now bikie gangs and organised crime give us GHB instead. Because we bomb the living poo out of fundamentalist terrorists and simply create more of them. it is the development of social change that is hardest to achieve and the very thing politicians will avoid because all the right wing loops scream that it is interference, government should not be involved simply so they can exploit the population for their own greed then blame government for social erosion.

A funny thing I used to notice when I was a Police Officer.

Members of the Community, who upheld the all the rights of criminals, to their full protection by the law would; when a loved one of theirs was, raped, or assaulted or murdered or robbed; they would undergo the most incredible transmogrification.

They would then become justice and revenge seeking bounty hunters and no punishment could be bad enough, for what was done to their loved ones.

I am not criticizing those citizens in the least.

All I am saying, is that sometimes it takes something to happen to your own, to make you realise what a dirty, dangerous, unforgiving world there is out there.

And between that world and you stands one thing - the thin vigilant blue line of the Police Force.

I recall a number of years ago, the City of New York went broke. The Police who had been unpaid for some time; went on a 3 hour strike.

During that time, the criminals rose like archangels and decimated the City, smashing into homes and businesses, raping women, bashing people. Anarchy took over in the blinking of an eye.

The  city fathers got down on bended knees, to plead for the Police to come back..which they did...and order was restored.

Always have a little think about, "what would it be like if those blue uniformed officers both male and female weren't out there to protect us?"

Seriously...think about it.

Hi Red Baron,
As a former policeman would you like to bring back the noose?

Hi Bobbythebat!  The noose..no, but keel hauling has a certain attraction for some criminals out there.

Saw that in a pirate movie once and thought...h'mmm that's got to hurt!

Funny thing Bobby...I don't want to let go of the Cassius Clay ..Smokin' Joe Frazier post in the chat zone. I'm getting very clingy about that one. Anything we can do to put a fire under it to keep it going?

falah wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 2:29pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 2:08pm: How Falah squirms out of the his support for legalised rape by claiming that no means yes: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335585972 More lies from Freediver? Aren't you embarrassed enough yet to have so many of your lies exposed? The link you provided does not state what you claim. Anyone who follows the link will see this.

Do you still insist I am lying Falah? Do you ever feel ashamed about your hypocrisy?


falah wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 12:16pm:

Forced sex in marriage is not a punishable offence in Islam.

red baron wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 3:53pm:

Hi Bobbythebat!  The noose..no, but keel hauling has a certain attraction for some criminals out there. Saw that in a pirate movie once and thought...h'mmm that's got to hurt! Funny thing Bobby...I don't want to let go of the Cassius Clay ..Smokin' Joe Frazier post in the chat zone. I'm getting very clingy about that one. Anything we can do to put a fire under it to keep it going?

I think we've just about covered Ali.

As for the noose -
people like Martin Bryant & Julian Knight shouldn't be alive today.

The only thing I can see against my ideas is that by feeding
those two we're proving that we're better than them.

red baron wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 3:19pm:

Members of the Community, who upheld the all the rights of criminals, to their full protection by the law would; when a loved one of theirs was, raped, or assaulted or murdered or robbed; they would undergo the most incredible transmogrification. They would then become justice and revenge seeking bounty hunters and no punishment could be bad enough, for what was done to their loved ones.

Your not criticising them, you dam well should be. We all have empathy for them but to even for a moment condone vigilant behaviour is both stupid and dangerous, you above other here should know that. It is also why we have a justice system because justice must be neutral and based on fact not suspicion and revenge. Other wise we should get rid of the police and the strong can rule like in New York that day. Soon criminal networks will establish protection zones and we will pay them instead of the government. OH yea there it is again the government.

You are somewhat twisting the argument RB. No one said they didn't want a police force, or even that they were against the police force.

All I said was that the cops shouldn't take the law into their own hands, especially now that they are bound to be caught on camera. We really don't want to see the cops laying into someone once they are convincingly apprehended, it brings back memories of Palm Island and police corruption from the top down.

It puts the entire police force in a bad light, some people might think they're all like that.

The police need to be able to control their baser instincts, especially since they are in charge of deadly weapons.

You and I know that some cops like to put the boot in, and they do, every chance they get. Less of that would be good, and if you say they don't I will never take you seriously again.

Pansi San, think I might have already said, "that cop was for the high jump."

Think before typing grasshopper san.

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You and I know that some cops like to put the boot in, and they do, every chance they get. Less of that would be good, and if you say they don't I will never take you seriously again.

Are you suggesting the police should not be able to enjoy their work?

Bobbythebat...You will get no argument from me on that one pilgrim!

Pansi,

Quote:

You and I know that some cops like to put the boot in

Some cops torture & beat people up in every police force in the world.
They are however - not all bad - most of the ones I met
were fairly resonable people.
There will always be a few psychos in every force since
1 in 100 people are psychopaths.

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author=383F323F365E0]Only a sick mind would come with such a statment. People like you should not be allowed to live in Australia.

That's an extreme response. Are yo saying Muslims from
Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan should be deported?
[Punishing rape victims under shari’a (Islamic law) is not restricted to Bangladesh.

In 2007, a Saudi court sentenced a young woman who had been gang raped to 90 lashes because at the time she was abducted at knife-point she was in a car with a man not related to her – a violation of Saudi law.

When the woman, who was 19-year-old at the time of the assault, appealed the verdict a higher court increased the sentence to 200 lashes and six months’ imprisonment. Amid an outcry – President Bush joined the criticism – the government first defended the court decision but eventually King Abdullah Monday pardoned her.

Last August a Filipina working as a janitor in Saudi Arabia was raped by a co-worker. When a medical examination found her to be pregnant, she was arrested. The woman has been detained since September, and miscarried her child in December.

With the pregnancy over, an alliance of organizations representing Philippine migrant workers voiced concern last week that she could be sentenced shortly for falling pregnant out of wedlock, with lashing the expected punishment.

Under Pakistan’s shari’a-based hudud ordinances, a rape victim is required to present four male Muslim witnesses of good standing to back her claim, failing which she can herself be charged with adultery.'

falah wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 2:29pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 2:08pm: How Falah squirms out of the his support for legalised rape by claiming that no means yes: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335585972 More lies from Freediver? Aren't you embarrassed enough yet to have so many of your lies exposed? The link you provided does not state what you claim. Anyone who follows the link will see this.

Falah, do you concede now that Islam does legalise rape as I suggested, and that the other thread demonstrates this, and that it was actually you who was lying, even though you were accusing me repeatedly?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335585972/7#7

That Falah bloke - is he the same one as in Cinderella - Rocka Falah?


You're the fella, you're the falah that rocks me
Rockefalah, rockefalah
You're the falah, you're the falah that rocks me
Rockefalah, rockefalah
You're my rockefalah, i'm your rockefalah, ooh
ooh oh ;)

No no that's Ibn Rocca Falah.
This one is Ali Stone Falah.

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freediver wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 1:57pm: [quote]It has been proven that harsher sentencing does not work as a deterent. If you want whipping returned then that might scare a few away. Falah wants people stoned to death for having sex with the wrong person. (But it is OK to rape your wife).

More of your lies Freediver? Don't you have any shame?


What I notice is that you like to lie about Muslims and Islam, while ignoring things like an Israeli Defence Force rabbi saying that Israeli soldiers can rape women, or newspaper reports of Orthodox Jewish rabbis suck babys' penises in their rituals.

Freediver, are you working for Mossad?[/quote]



freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 4:11pm:

falah wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 2:29pm: freediver wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 2:08pm: How Falah squirms out of the his support for legalised rape by claiming that no means yes: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335585972 More lies from Freediver? Aren't you embarrassed enough yet to have so many of your lies exposed? The link you provided does not state what you claim. Anyone who follows the link will see this. Do you still insist I am lying Falah? Do you ever feel ashamed about your hypocrisy? falah wrote on Mar 4th, 2012 at 12:16pm: Forced sex in marriage is not a punishable offence in Islam.

Not punishable meaning not punishable in this life. It does not mean that it is permissable or would not be punished by God in the Hereafter.





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O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness...And live with them with kindness! [Noble Quran, An-Nisaa', v. 19]

Diobeying God is a punishable offence in the Hereafter:



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And whosoever disobeys God and His Messenger, and transgresses His limits, He will cast him into the Fire, to abide therein; and he shall have a disgraceful torment. [Noble Quran, Aali Imraan, v. 152]

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And whosoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, and transgresses His limits, He will cast him into the Fire, to abide therein; and he shall have a disgraceful torment. [Noble Quran, An-Nisaa', v. 14]

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Not punishable meaning not punishable in this life.

In other words, rape is legal in Islam?

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 11:01pm:

Quote: Not punishable meaning not punishable in this life. In other words, rape is legal in Islam?

In the science of hadeeth rape is a transmogrification of pear, and therefore 'just a few tears and everything'll be apples.'

I can't help wondering that if god's going to deal with rape, he might as well deal with everything else.

Mohammed's daughter Fatima was the ancestor of the Mahdi world-ruler who will organise true believers to rule everyone. Under Pakistan’s shari’a-based hudud ordinances, a rape victim is required to present four male Muslim witnesses . True believers, the 4 men stand and watch the rape to confirm it's forced not willing.  Nice.
Forced sex in marriage is not a punishable offence in Islam.
Rape outside marriage is punishable, Fatima's friends get stoned.

Just to put the punishment for rape into perspective, consensual sex can be punished with being stoned to death.

falah wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 12:34pm:

Somehow in this society, it has beccome fashionable to think that a wife has the right to deny her husband sex, yet hypocritically, society would be outraged if a husband fed denied his wife food or clothing.

:o

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 9:13am:

Just to put the punishment for rape into perspective, consensual sex can be punished with being stoned to death.

Consensual sex is never punished in Islam. Because God Almighty, the owner of our bodies, does not consent to us performing adultery.

How is adultery consensual? Does God consent to it? Does the cheated on spouse consent to it?

Adultery is not consensual sex.

Just thinking about all this makes me think you'd be better off having a couple of crownies and watching the football. Not as messy either.

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 9:13am:

Just to put the punishment for rape into perspective, consensual sex can be punished with being stoned to death.

The rape is presumed to be consensual unless the 4 men prove that it isn't.
Falah,
You are saying a woman can't be consensual. That means a woman is not human. The rapist's action makes the victim an illegal object. That helps with understanding terrorist bombs : people of differing world-views are objects for destruction.

>>it brings back memories of Palm Island <<

Does it???

Sound like you pick crappy holiday spots...

falah wrote on Apr 29^th, 2012 at 2:56pm:

Somehow in this society, it has beccome fashionable to think that a wife has the right to deny her husband sex, yet hypocritically, society would be outraged if a husband fed denied his wife food or clothing. Consensual sex is never punished in Islam. Because God Almighty, the owner of our bodies, does not consent to us performing adultery. How is adultery consensual? Does God consent to it? Does the cheated on spouse consent to it? Adultery is not consensual sex.

Obviously this is not your country and we are not your people Falah. You don't want to live by our rules you know what you can do.

Kat wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:53am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 6:32am: I've got no gripe with the police doing their job. In this case the police did what they had to do right up until the youth was shot, still ok with that, but the punching after the shooting was uncalled for. The perpetrator was already subdued and the cop still saw fit to punch the living daylights out of him. There was no need for the extra testosterone release in my opinion. Couldnn't agree more. Totally uncalled-for, and no 'explanation' is acceptable, AFAIC. The police MUST learn that they are there to UPHOLD the law. They are NOT, themselves,  the law, despite what they may think. And they wonder why they don't get 'respect'........

If it were one of my family under the car Id want the cop to stop punching him so I could start. yes the punching was 'wrong' but I defy any court in the land to find him guily of assault. The offender had it coming in spades. Sympathy level: zero.

falah :"Somehow in this society, it has beccome fashionable to think that a wife has the right to deny her husband sex, yet hypocritically, society would be outraged if a husband  denied his wife food or clothing. "
If a wife demanded a double bacon and ham sandwich in bed in 20 seconds while the husband was mowing the lawn,  society would not be outraged if he said to wait a bit. Maybe if he never gave her any food, yes, but that's not normally the situation with raping a wife.  If she totally refused, rape is still not the way to go. A woman is not a bag of groceries. Yes Mohammed was a violent criminal but you don't have to follow the man who heard voices in a  cave.