So the leader of the coalition is more interested in a DD, so to attempt to gain control both houses, than to work within the parliament Australians vote in at the next election.


Does this show Abbott's true colours.

- anti democratic
- inability to negotiate
- division is his politics

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/abbott-compares-indonesian-people-smugglers-to-australians-who-smuggle-drugs-into-bali/story-fn9hm1gu-1226340792265

Just another day of the usual negativity by Dr No..
If he didnt have Clive Palmer writing policy for him he'd have nothing.

but the silly thing is you noongs, it will gain him more votes. people are sick of the continual failure of Labors border protection and they remember that Howards solution worked. So when Abbott promises to reintroduce it and threated a DD to make it so then the voters  just give a thumbs up and support it.

It shows Tony The Tart will do anything to gain power.

Anything!

Lie (as he freely admits), cheat (Slipper anyone?), sell his arse. You name it! I reckon he'd sell his wife for favours given half a chance.

A double dissolution is nothing in Tony's book.

And the conga line here cheers every move. Don'tcha?

Mr No?

Organs upside down instead of on the wrong side maybe. Always thought he was a dickhead

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 6:53pm:

but the silly thing is you noongs, it will gain him more votes. people are sick of the continual failure of Labors border protection and they remember that Howards solution worked. So when Abbott promises to reintroduce it and threated a DD to make it so then the voters  just give a thumbs up and support it.

He will have a hard time trying to get throught the legislative changes that he is now blocking to prevent Labor from using an off shore solution.

Same boot different foot.

A DD election in 2015 about the earliest opportunity would be certain to deliver more seats to Labor. Abbnott will not use a trigger if available.

hey green loser, no this is the same DD that Abbott has promised. There is no "another".

____ wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 6:19pm:

So the leader of the coalition is more interested in a DD, so to attempt to gain control both houses, than to work within the parliament Australians vote in at the next election.

I am only voting for Abbott because he keeps saying 'NO' to Gillard. Otherwise we could have had Turnbull. Oh, wait - we did!

Well, there. Abbot is the non-Gillard candidate, just as Rudd was the non-Howard. There is absolutely nothing, NOTHING, Gillard can do to save herself. The non-Gillard, non-Rudd, non-Labor candidate is a shoo-in at the next election.

It will be Abbott. The only interesting question now is his margin of victory - will he need a DD or will he have enough seats in the lower house to dominate a joint sitting of both houses (if not winning enough Senate seats outright even at a half Senate election to cancel out the Labor/Green senator).

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 27^th, 2012 at 9:31pm:

hey green loser, no this is the same DD that Abbott has promised. There is no "another".

Where's the DD so to stop the Carbon Pricing, take back the compensation, and the reverse the Green Energy spending?

Here's a novel thought -

If there is no carbon tax - then there is no need to hand out compensation to pay it......

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Here's a novel thought - If there is no carbon tax - then there is no need to hand out compensation to pay it......

but there will be on July 1st...

did Richo say something yesterday about her only have 2 months to get things right?..

sounds like he must know something..

cods wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 7:35am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 6:58am: Here's a novel thought - If there is no carbon tax - then there is no need to hand out compensation to pay it...... but there will be on July 1st... did Richo say something yesterday about her only have 2 months to get things right?.. sounds like he must know something..

It's an absurd policy cods.

Whoever sold this plan to Julia Gillard as a vote winner needs taking out into the street, hung from a lamp-post and beating with a stick.

It's a lesson in political suicide.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Here's a novel thought - If there is no carbon tax - then there is no need to hand out compensation to pay it......

The Abbnott plan is to keep the compensation remove the fixed price and then to implement direct action which would cost more and can't work at all.

While you comment is correct in theory it not an option on the table and it would do noting about global warming except to make later action much more expensive.

Dnarever wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 7:46am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 6:58am: Here's a novel thought - If there is no carbon tax - then there is no need to hand out compensation to pay it...... The Abbnott plan is to keep the compensation remove the fixed price and then to implement direct action which would cost more and can't work at all. While you comment is correct in theory it not an option on the table and it would do noting about global warming except to make later action much more expensive.

And the Australian carbon tax will??????????????

You do realize if Australia actually reduced its carbon emissions to ZERO.

I/E the whole continent became wiped out and produced no carbon at all.....


The Chinese growth in pollution would still eat up the difference in the space of less than a year?

To think the Australian carbon tax will do a single ounce of a digit difference is like believing in fairies at the bottom of the garden.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 7:47am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 7:46am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 6:58am: Here's a novel thought - If there is no carbon tax - then there is no need to hand out compensation to pay it...... The Abbnott plan is to keep the compensation remove the fixed price and then to implement direct action which would cost more and can't work at all. While you comment is correct in theory it not an option on the table and it would do noting about global warming except to make later action much more expensive. And the Australian carbon tax will??????????????

It would put Australia in a very strong economic position if the rest of the world have to play catch up later and gearing Australia to a lower carbon emission economy should lead to the development of profitable alternatives to sell on the international market.

I am fairly sure that escalating the emission of carbon into the atmosphere is not going to help much either, worst case we become one of the good examples for others to follow, our current emissions are after all over 200% greater than our share.

Even if in the unlikely event that it turns out to be wrong we get to keep coal in the ground while its value escalates.

sorry but in this country, we are proof that you don't need a carbon tax and still play a part in reducing emissions.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 8:00am:

sorry but in this country, we are proof that you don't need a carbon tax and still play a part in reducing emissions.

And I thought that that country primarily was proof of arrogance and meaningless excuses on the topic.

Dnarever wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 8:05am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 8:00am: sorry but in this country, we are proof that you don't need a carbon tax and still play a part in reducing emissions. And I thought that that country primarily was proof of arrogance and meaningless excuses on the topic.

I think you are confusing a refusal to pick up the bill for everyone else and arrogance.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 8:14am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 8:05am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 8:00am: sorry but in this country, we are proof that you don't need a carbon tax and still play a part in reducing emissions. And I thought that that country primarily was proof of arrogance and meaningless excuses on the topic. I think you are confusing a refusal to pick up the bill for everyone else and arrogance.

The second biggest producer of carbon emissions?

It is obvious its their own bill they refuse to own up to.

Dnarever wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 8:22am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 8:14am: Dnarever wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 8:05am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 8:00am: sorry but in this country, we are proof that you don't need a carbon tax and still play a part in reducing emissions. And I thought that that country primarily was proof of arrogance and meaningless excuses on the topic. I think you are confusing a refusal to pick up the bill for everyone else and arrogance. The second biggest producer of carbon emissions? It is obvious its their own bill they refuse to own up to.

The 2nd biggest needing to pick up the bill for the 1st you mean?
Meanwhile the 3rd refuses to see how its got anything to do with it....

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 8:24am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 8:22am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 8:14am: Dnarever wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 8:05am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 8:00am: sorry but in this country, we are proof that you don't need a carbon tax and still play a part in reducing emissions. And I thought that that country primarily was proof of arrogance and meaningless excuses on the topic. I think you are confusing a refusal to pick up the bill for everyone else and arrogance. The second biggest producer of carbon emissions? It is obvious its their own bill they refuse to own up to. The 2nd biggest needing to pick up the bill for the 1st you mean? Meanwhile the 3rd refuses to see how its got anything to do with it....

Meanwhile the 16th thinks it will tax its own people and be able to pick up the bill for everyone and the world is saved......

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 8:26am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 8:24am: Dnarever wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 8:22am: The second biggest producer of carbon emissions? It is obvious its their own bill they refuse to own up to. The 2nd biggest needing to pick up the bill for the 1st you mean? Meanwhile the 3rd refuses to see how its got anything to do with it.... Meanwhile the 16th thinks it will tax its own people and be able to pick up the bill for everyone and the world is saved......

Nobody is saying that but the 16 will be trying to improve its deplorable position while the leaders are in denial.

THe only possible result of all the smaller players not acting because they will have little impact is that nobody will ever do anything.

By the way does anyone else see just a little bit of a problem with the People's Republic of China's emissions......

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Dnarever wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 8:32am:

THe only possible result of all the smaller players not acting because they will have little impact is that nobody will ever do anything.

Oh yes I recall this argument.
"If we do it, it make China think to act."

I can even recall Gillard saying this.

....................

China bans airlines from paying EU carbon tax


February 7, 2012


China said yesterday it has banned its airlines from complying with an EU scheme to impose charges on carbon emissions opposed by more than two dozen countries including India, Russia and the United States.

Beijing has said repeatedly that it opposes the new European Union plan, which was imposed with effect from January 1, and which Chinese state media have warned would lead to a "trade war" in the sector.

A statement on the website of China's State Council, or cabinet, also said airlines were barred from using the EU's emissions trading scheme (ETS) to increase fares or other passenger charges.


http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/china-bans-airlines-from-paying-eu-carbon-tax-20120207-1r2o2.html#ixzz1tHbUpx3e

The important thing is that after the next election the Government has a mandate and must act to repeal the Carbon Tax.  Now is the time for carbon tax repealing - not in 10 years.

Very strange people know in 2012, what will happen in 2013.  What government are we talking about?.   :-?

wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 8:44am:

Very strange people know in 2012, what will happen in 2013.  What government are we talking about?.   :-?

You tend to assume that a Government that has lurched from one failure to the next, polled solidly and consistently the worst polling in the history of opinion polls and who have gone from election disaster to election disaster state-wise -

well its a very brave (or insane) man to think they have a cat's chance in hell of being in power come the next election Imcrook.

I mean, for goodness sake, they couldn't even hold a majority for longer than a solitary term (the first Government to do so in almost a century).

Hardly been a record of success since 2007 has it?

(I didn't even mention the knifing of the elected PM by a former Communist who is bereft of popular support and empathy for the families of Australia)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:02am:

wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 8:44am: Very strange people know in 2012, what will happen in 2013.  What government are we talking about?.   :-? You tend to assume that a Government that has lurched from one failure to the next, polled solidly and consistently the worst polling in the history of opinion polls and who have gone from election disaster to election disaster state-wise - well its a very brave (or insane) man to think they have a cat's chance in hell of being in power come the next election Imcrook. I mean, for goodness sake, they couldn't even hold a majority for longer than a solitary term (the first Government to do so in almost a century). Hardly been a record of success since 2007 has it? (I didn't even mention the knifing of the elected PM by a former Communist who is bereft of popular support and empathy for the families of Australia)

And this to me is the problem - are we voting a bad govt out or a good one in?

The next election is still quite a way of yet.  Anything is still possible. including another term for labor.  In any case I would not rule it out.  Thank goodness though for the Australian greens.  With them holding the balance of power in the senate. A very good insurance policy.   :) 

wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:10am:

The next election is still quite a way of yet.  Anything is still possible. including another term for labor.

This is true.
Also given England coach Stuart Pearce hasn't named his squad for the Euro 2012 Championships - it is still a possibility that I will get called up.

The odds for this and a Labor win are probably not too dissimilar.

The election will be next year and we will see.  Although I do know that there are some liberals, that think they have it in the bag.  Well I am afraid to say, that they do actually have to win it.   ;) 

wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:23am:

The election will be next year and we will see.  Although I do know that there are some liberals, that think they have it in the bag.  Well I am afraid to say, that they do actually have to win it.   ;)

Assuming a Labor MP doesn't die.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:19am:

wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 9:10am: The next election is still quite a way of yet.  Anything is still possible. including another term for labor.    This is true. Also given England coach Stuart Pearce hasn't named his squad for the Euro 2012 Championships - it is still a possibility that I will get called up. The odds for this and a Labor win are probably not too dissimilar.

You must be a real good tennis player

glee wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:08am:

And this to me is the problem - are we voting a bad govt out or a good one in?

I have no doubt that the current government have performed substantially better than the media driven spin would indicate while the opposition would clearly be a disaster for Australia.

I see more an option to replace a reasonable government with an extremely poor one.

How are things going in America Andrei?.  Do you think Mr Obama will get another term?.   :)

wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:28am:

How are things going in America Andrei?.  Do you think Mr Obama will get another term?.   :)

It's going to be very close.
It's neck and neck between Obama and Romney now.

However once the Republicans get down to just the one candidate it will see how it shakes up.

The improving economy helps Obama.

Good to hear things are improving.  I hope Mr Obama gets another term.  Stay well.   :)   

wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:35am:

Good to hear things are improving.  I hope Mr Obama gets another term.  Stay well.   :)

I don't actually have that much of a problem with Obama.
He's impressed me a bit on foreign policy and his resolve to fight terror.

If only he would drop his healthcare plan which the country can't afford, he isn't that bad.

I could think of a lot worse Presidents.
I can live with either an Obama 2nd term or a Romney first one so I'm ok with it.
I can't vote anyway.