http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/13505678/abbott-slippery-on-slipper-swan-says/

The federal government has seized on Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's "slippery" response to suggestions of Liberal Party involvement in the allegations against Peter Slipper.

Mr Abbott on Tuesday insisted he did not believe any coalition personnel were aware of the case against the former Liberal turned independent MP before details appeared in the media on Saturday.

But he admitted he could not categorically rule out the possibility that someone in the coalition had played a role in the case's preparation.

"I think there are something like 100,000 members of the Liberal and National parties right around Australia," Mr Abbott told reporters in Sydney.

"Can I guarantee that no-one had any role, anywhere, in anything?

"Look, the important thing is that the prime minister put this individual into the speaker's chair."

Mr Abbott said ultimately he was "not accountable" for the actions of people outside his parliamentary team.

Mr Slipper stood down as speaker of parliament's lower house pending a possible criminal investigation into claims he misused taxpayer-funded Cabcharge vouchers.

He strenuously denies the allegations, as well as civil claims he sexually harassed male staffer James Hunter Ashby.

Treasurer Wayne Swan was quick to seize on Mr Abbott's comments.

"Mr Abbott today has been very slippery in his response to a number of questions about these matters," he told reporters in Canberra.

But asked if he had any evidence to back up suggestions of a link, Mr Swan said: "All I'd say is, if you're as quick with the mud bucket as Mr Abbott is, you'd better be pretty clean yourself."

Shadow attorney-general George Brandis said there was "absolutely no reason" to doubt the bona fides of Mr Ashby's case.

Senator Brandis has called on the government to ensure taxpayers will not be forced to pay the costs of Mr Slipper's legal defence.

"The opposition does not consider that the commonwealth - in other words, taxpayers - should be liable to pay Mr Slipper's costs in these circumstances," He said in a letter to Attorney-General Nicola Roxon.

The government believes Mr Slipper should be able to return to the speaker's chair if he is cleared of the criminal allegations, even if the civil claims remain unresolved.

But that looks increasingly unlikely after several crossbench MPs made it clear they want all the allegations resolved before he returns to the job.

"I am of the strong view that Peter Slipper should not resume the speaker's chair until all of the allegations against him are dealt with, including the allegation of sexual harassment," Tasmanian independent Andrew Wilkie said in a statement late on Tuesday afternoon.

Independent Senator Nick Xenophon said returning Mr Slipper to the speaker's job would be politically fraught for the government.

"There's a question for the government - do they want the political certainty of keeping him on the Speaker's chair or do they want to wear political pain," Senator Xenophon told Sky News.

In Singapore, Prime Minister Julia Gillard angrily rejected Mr Abbott's suggestion that she and her government were not taking the sexual harassment allegations seriously.

"That's a disgraceful allegation and it's exactly what we expect from Mr Abbott - continued negativity," she said.

Former Labor leader Mark Latham said the party's moral core had been eroded by its defence of Mr Slipper and embattled MP Craig Thomson.

He described Mr Slipper as one of the parliament's least respected figures, whose "clownish foibles" were well known to all.

"He is one of the most egregious Good-Time Charlies to ever prance around the edges of Australian politics," he wrote in Fairfax newspapers.

dont you love it when swan comes in like the shining knight saving his princess....just like he did when she lied about the NO CARBON TAX..

labors hero...such a clown...

as far as I can make out.. the claims in 2003 only went as far as Mr Nutt.... who if we believe all we read.. was also in the closet with Mr Slipper..

I have yet to see where this landed on Abbotts desk or Howards for that matter..but anyway....

can we also claim the whole of the NSW labor Party and ministry knew about Milton Orkopoulos..

who had been up to some very sordid tricks for a very long time.. he was found guilty of 33 charges.

so if swanny is pointing fingers... can the right also do the same thing?????

Slipper was actually put into Parliament by the Liberal Party.....If Labor support him after he is exposed as a low life religious conservative they have no one to blame but themselves.....They should dump him now that the truth has come out.....If they support Slipper now they are no better than the Liberal Party!!!

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philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:

Slipper was actually put into Parliament by the Liberal Party.....If Labor support him after he is exposed as a low life religious conservative they have no one to blame but themselves.....They should dump him now that the truth has come out.....If they support Slipper now they are no better than the Liberal Party!!! ::) ::) ::)

orkopolous was put in by the ALP.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 8:21pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 7:38pm: Slipper was actually put into Parliament by the Liberal Party.....If Labor support him after he is exposed as a low life religious conservative they have no one to blame but themselves.....They should dump him now that the truth has come out.....If they support Slipper now they are no better than the Liberal Party!!! ::) ::) ::) orkopolous was put in by the ALP.

In November 2006, New South Wales Premier Morris Iemma sacked Milton Orkopoulos after he was charged with child sex and other offences. The following week, he resigned as MP for the state electorate of Swansea.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/ex-mp-orkopoulos-gets-hefty-jail-term/story-e6frg6o6-1111116402531

Unlike Peter Hollingworth who was made Governor General by John Howard and had to resign in disgrace when Howard failed to act???

Hollingworth: the true scandal

May 3 2003

The Governor-General did not only fail in his duty to victims, he supported the perpetrator, writes Muriel Porter.

American scholar of Scripture Luke Timothy Johnson has denounced the churches' tendency to cover up cases of sexual abuse to protect their reputations. The true scandal is not public shame or bad publicity, he writes in a recent edition of the English Catholic magazine Priests and People. Rather, it is the churches' willingness to "protect the predators who destroy the lives of children".

Johnson reminds his readers that, for Jesus, those who harmed the vulnerable were "scandalous", and deserving of God's condemnation.

The inquiry into sexual abuse in the Anglican diocese of Brisbane has exposed a deeply disturbing case of the church seeking to protect a pedophile priest and the church's good name, despite the protestations of his victims.

John Elliot was allowed to continue as rector of a parish during the 1990s by the then archbishop of Brisbane and now Governor-General, Peter Hollingworth, even though Hollingworth was aware the man was a pedophile. Last year, Elliot was jailed after pleading guilty to multiple sexual abuse charges from the 1970s, before he became an Anglican priest. In February this year his jail sentence was extended after he pleaded guilty to the abuse brought to Hollingworth's attention in 1993.

The Governor-General has admitted he made a "serious error of judgement" in allowing Elliot to continue as rector of the parish of Dalby, and has apologised to the family involved for his handling of the issue. But a close examination of the Brisbane report reveals that the bald fact of allowing the priest to remain in office is only part of the problem. It can be construed from the report that Hollingworth allowed him to stay to protect the priest's financial interests and to safeguard the church's reputation.

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http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/05/02/1051382093269.html

With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg (1933 - ), quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999

Hollingworth was right to resign: PM

May 26 2003

Prime Minister John Howard has reiterated his support for Dr Peter Hollingworth, who has stood down as Governor-General, in his first address to Parliament since his resignation.

Mr Howard paid tribute to Dr Hollingworth's loyalty and sense of obligation to the people of Australia during his term as Governor-General.

He admitted that Dr Hollingworth had made an error of judgement in his handling of child sex abuse complaints while he was the Archbishop of Brisbane.

But Mr Howard argued he had paid too high a price for that error.

"He has paid an extremely high price for that error of judgment," he said.

"I repeat, a higher price than has been paid by many others in the community who have been guilty of equally bad error of judgment."

Opposition Leader Simon Crean attacked Mr Howard's continuing support for Dr Hollingworth.

"You, Prime Minister, still don't get it, do you.

"It is as simple as this," Mr Crean said. "You can't have people in authority who have covered up child sex abuse. It's as simple as that."

Mr Howard said Mr Hollingworth's formal resignation will take effect later this week.

He said Dr Hollingworth planned to leave Government House by June 30.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/05/26/1053801326378.html

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Prime Minister behind Peter Hollingworth

JO MAZZOCCHI: John Howard has always defended his friend and moral advisor, Dr Peter Hollingworth, and today that support continued.

Speaking at Sydney Airport on his way to the US, John Howard made it very clear he's standing by the Governor-General.

JOHN HOWARD: No, I'm not going to sack the Governor-General. I'm told, although I haven't independently confirmed this from all of my own reading, I'm told that there's no finding in the report of any deliberate misconduct by the Governor-General.

REPORTER: Do you think that now knowing the man that he was, that you put in that
job, that he was the appropriate man to be Governor-General of Australia?

JOHN HOWARD: I don't regret the appointment.

JO MAZZOCCHI: But that's a view condemned by those that wanted the Governor-General to stand aside a year ago. Democrat's leader Senator Andrew Bartlett says the report reaffirms their calls for Dr Hollingworth to stand down.

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2003/s845066.htm

Howard his own victim

May 28 2003

John Howard is very good at assuming the role of victim.

Over the past 24 hours, he has been doing his best "they're picking on me" routine.

Yesterday, at least one national columnist agreed that Opposition Leader Simon Crean had "more than" implied that Howard condoned pedophilia.

Yesterday, Howard was all mock indignation.

He told John Laws: "To allege that in some way when asked about child abuse matters I resorted to technical legalisms, when, if you read the full transcript of that press conference, was recorded my total repugnance or distaste of [it] . . . along with 99.99 per cent of the community."

As if revulsion at child abuse and obscuring it in legalisms were mutually exclusive and that Labor, by pointing to one, had accused him of the other.

No one has accused Howard of condoning child sex except, obliquely, himself. No one says he protects pedophiles, but he protected a man who did.

Howard's tactic worked sufficiently well that Crean found it necessary to tell the caucus that he had not accused Howard of being soft on child abuse. His rhetoric has softened.

But let's not focus on what Howard hasn't been accused of, rather on what he has - a disinterest in policies to protect children and families.

In question time, Labor's Nicola Roxon noted that the budget allocated only $4 million to child abuse prevention programs, which was underspent by nearly $500,000 last year.

She also asked why the Government "had underspent womens' and domestic violence programs to such an extent that the Government could divert $10 million of this money to its terrorism fridge magnet campaign".

The money will be restored, Howard said.

But the point was why was the program so underspent that the Government could borrow a year's worth of funding?

Roxon asked why his Government had long "underspent, cut and diverted funds" from child abuse and domestic violence programs.

And that question - whether the Government is soft on child protection - is utterly legitimate.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/27/1053801397570.html

The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it.
Ayn Rand (1905 - 1982), Atlas Shrugged, 1957

Why did the right run away when their hypocrisy was exposed by Howards stand on Hollingworth???

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philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 8:21pm: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 7:38pm: Slipper was actually put into Parliament by the Liberal Party.....If Labor support him after he is exposed as a low life religious conservative they have no one to blame but themselves.....They should dump him now that the truth has come out.....If they support Slipper now they are no better than the Liberal Party!!! ::) ::) ::) orkopolous was put in by the ALP. In November 2006, New South Wales Premier Morris Iemma sacked Milton Orkopoulos after he was charged with child sex and other offences. The following week, he resigned as MP for the state electorate of Swansea. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/ex-mp-orkopoulos-gets-hefty-jail-term/story-e6frg6o6-1111116402531 Unlike Peter Hollingworth who was made Governor General by John Howard and had to resign in disgrace when Howard failed to act??? Hollingworth: the true scandal May 3 2003 The Governor-General did not only fail in his duty to victims, he supported the perpetrator, writes Muriel Porter. American scholar of Scripture Luke Timothy Johnson has denounced the churches' tendency to cover up cases of sexual abuse to protect their reputations. The true scandal is not public shame or bad publicity, he writes in a recent edition of the English Catholic magazine Priests and People. Rather, it is the churches' willingness to "protect the predators who destroy the lives of children". Johnson reminds his readers that, for Jesus, those who harmed the vulnerable were "scandalous", and deserving of God's condemnation. The inquiry into sexual abuse in the Anglican diocese of Brisbane has exposed a deeply disturbing case of the church seeking to protect a pedophile priest and the church's good name, despite the protestations of his victims. John Elliot was allowed to continue as rector of a parish during the 1990s by the then archbishop of Brisbane and now Governor-General, Peter Hollingworth, even though Hollingworth was aware the man was a pedophile. Last year, Elliot was jailed after pleading guilty to multiple sexual abuse charges from the 1970s, before he became an Anglican priest. In February this year his jail sentence was extended after he pleaded guilty to the abuse brought to Hollingworth's attention in 1993. The Governor-General has admitted he made a "serious error of judgement" in allowing Elliot to continue as rector of the parish of Dalby, and has apologised to the family involved for his handling of the issue. But a close examination of the Brisbane report reveals that the bald fact of allowing the priest to remain in office is only part of the problem. It can be construed from the report that Hollingworth allowed him to stay to protect the priest's financial interests and to safeguard the church's reputation. ::) ::) ::) http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/05/02/1051382093269.html With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. Steven Weinberg (1933 - ), quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999

because the actual RAPE of children is the same thing as failing to report it?

idiot.

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 9:33pm:

Howard his own victim May 28 2003 John Howard is very good at assuming the role of victim. Over the past 24 hours, he has been doing his best "they're picking on me" routine. Yesterday, at least one national columnist agreed that Opposition Leader Simon Crean had "more than" implied that Howard condoned pedophilia. Yesterday, Howard was all mock indignation. He told John Laws: "To allege that in some way when asked about child abuse matters I resorted to technical legalisms, when, if you read the full transcript of that press conference, was recorded my total repugnance or distaste of [it] . . . along with 99.99 per cent of the community." As if revulsion at child abuse and obscuring it in legalisms were mutually exclusive and that Labor, by pointing to one, had accused him of the other. No one has accused Howard of condoning child sex except, obliquely, himself. No one says he protects pedophiles, but he protected a man who did. Howard's tactic worked sufficiently well that Crean found it necessary to tell the caucus that he had not accused Howard of being soft on child abuse. His rhetoric has softened. But let's not focus on what Howard hasn't been accused of, rather on what he has - a disinterest in policies to protect children and families. In question time, Labor's Nicola Roxon noted that the budget allocated only $4 million to child abuse prevention programs, which was underspent by nearly $500,000 last year. She also asked why the Government "had underspent womens' and domestic violence programs to such an extent that the Government could divert $10 million of this money to its terrorism fridge magnet campaign". The money will be restored, Howard said. But the point was why was the program so underspent that the Government could borrow a year's worth of funding? Roxon asked why his Government had long "underspent, cut and diverted funds" from child abuse and domestic violence programs. And that question - whether the Government is soft on child protection - is utterly legitimate. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/27/1053801397570.html The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. Ayn Rand (1905 - 1982), Atlas Shrugged, 1957

so the very best you can do is find some barely credible c omment that howard condoned pedophila which even the ALp utterly rejects? And in the light of the conga line of Labor Mps going to jail over these actions??

you are a flake, Phil.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:45pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:12pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 8:21pm: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 7:38pm: Slipper was actually put into Parliament by the Liberal Party.....If Labor support him after he is exposed as a low life religious conservative they have no one to blame but themselves.....They should dump him now that the truth has come out.....If they support Slipper now they are no better than the Liberal Party!!! ::) ::) ::) orkopolous was put in by the ALP. In November 2006, New South Wales Premier Morris Iemma sacked Milton Orkopoulos after he was charged with child sex and other offences. The following week, he resigned as MP for the state electorate of Swansea. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/ex-mp-orkopoulos-gets-hefty-jail-term/story-e6frg6o6-1111116402531 Unlike Peter Hollingworth who was made Governor General by John Howard and had to resign in disgrace when Howard failed to act??? Hollingworth: the true scandal May 3 2003 The Governor-General did not only fail in his duty to victims, he supported the perpetrator, writes Muriel Porter. American scholar of Scripture Luke Timothy Johnson has denounced the churches' tendency to cover up cases of sexual abuse to protect their reputations. The true scandal is not public shame or bad publicity, he writes in a recent edition of the English Catholic magazine Priests and People. Rather, it is the churches' willingness to "protect the predators who destroy the lives of children". Johnson reminds his readers that, for Jesus, those who harmed the vulnerable were "scandalous", and deserving of God's condemnation. The inquiry into sexual abuse in the Anglican diocese of Brisbane has exposed a deeply disturbing case of the church seeking to protect a pedophile priest and the church's good name, despite the protestations of his victims. John Elliot was allowed to continue as rector of a parish during the 1990s by the then archbishop of Brisbane and now Governor-General, Peter Hollingworth, even though Hollingworth was aware the man was a pedophile. Last year, Elliot was jailed after pleading guilty to multiple sexual abuse charges from the 1970s, before he became an Anglican priest. In February this year his jail sentence was extended after he pleaded guilty to the abuse brought to Hollingworth's attention in 1993. The Governor-General has admitted he made a "serious error of judgement" in allowing Elliot to continue as rector of the parish of Dalby, and has apologised to the family involved for his handling of the issue. But a close examination of the Brisbane report reveals that the bald fact of allowing the priest to remain in office is only part of the problem. It can be construed from the report that Hollingworth allowed him to stay to protect the priest's financial interests and to safeguard the church's reputation. ::) ::) ::) http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/05/02/1051382093269.html With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. Steven Weinberg (1933 - ), quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999 because the actual RAPE of children is the same thing as failing to report it? idiot.

What about covering it up and failing to act on serious claims of child sexual abuse......You have no credibility Longy!!!

Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.
Euripides (484 BC - 406 BC), The Bacchae, circa 407 B.C.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:57pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:33pm: Howard his own victim May 28 2003 John Howard is very good at assuming the role of victim. Over the past 24 hours, he has been doing his best "they're picking on me" routine. Yesterday, at least one national columnist agreed that Opposition Leader Simon Crean had "more than" implied that Howard condoned pedophilia. Yesterday, Howard was all mock indignation. He told John Laws: "To allege that in some way when asked about child abuse matters I resorted to technical legalisms, when, if you read the full transcript of that press conference, was recorded my total repugnance or distaste of [it] . . . along with 99.99 per cent of the community." As if revulsion at child abuse and obscuring it in legalisms were mutually exclusive and that Labor, by pointing to one, had accused him of the other. No one has accused Howard of condoning child sex except, obliquely, himself. No one says he protects pedophiles, but he protected a man who did. Howard's tactic worked sufficiently well that Crean found it necessary to tell the caucus that he had not accused Howard of being soft on child abuse. His rhetoric has softened. But let's not focus on what Howard hasn't been accused of, rather on what he has - a disinterest in policies to protect children and families. In question time, Labor's Nicola Roxon noted that the budget allocated only $4 million to child abuse prevention programs, which was underspent by nearly $500,000 last year. She also asked why the Government "had underspent womens' and domestic violence programs to such an extent that the Government could divert $10 million of this money to its terrorism fridge magnet campaign". The money will be restored, Howard said. But the point was why was the program so underspent that the Government could borrow a year's worth of funding? Roxon asked why his Government had long "underspent, cut and diverted funds" from child abuse and domestic violence programs. And that question - whether the Government is soft on child protection - is utterly legitimate. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/27/1053801397570.html The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. Ayn Rand (1905 - 1982), Atlas Shrugged, 1957 so the very best you can do is find some barely credible comment that howard condoned pedophilia which even the ALp utterly rejects? And in the light of the conga line of Labor Mps going to jail over these actions?? you are a flake, Phil.

Not only cant you spell and put together a coherent sentence you cannot read either.....No one says Howard protects pedophiles, but he protected a man who did....You are not worth my time little man.....Go away and preach your crap to the stupid and gullible.....You are the biggest idiot on these boards and that is not an easy achievement!!!

There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity.
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749 - 1832)

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:45pm: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:12pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 8:21pm: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 7:38pm: Slipper was actually put into Parliament by the Liberal Party.....If Labor support him after he is exposed as a low life religious conservative they have no one to blame but themselves.....They should dump him now that the truth has come out.....If they support Slipper now they are no better than the Liberal Party!!! ::) ::) ::) orkopolous was put in by the ALP. In November 2006, New South Wales Premier Morris Iemma sacked Milton Orkopoulos after he was charged with child sex and other offences. The following week, he resigned as MP for the state electorate of Swansea. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/ex-mp-orkopoulos-gets-hefty-jail-term/story-e6frg6o6-1111116402531 Unlike Peter Hollingworth who was made Governor General by John Howard and had to resign in disgrace when Howard failed to act??? Hollingworth: the true scandal May 3 2003 The Governor-General did not only fail in his duty to victims, he supported the perpetrator, writes Muriel Porter. American scholar of Scripture Luke Timothy Johnson has denounced the churches' tendency to cover up cases of sexual abuse to protect their reputations. The true scandal is not public shame or bad publicity, he writes in a recent edition of the English Catholic magazine Priests and People. Rather, it is the churches' willingness to "protect the predators who destroy the lives of children". Johnson reminds his readers that, for Jesus, those who harmed the vulnerable were "scandalous", and deserving of God's condemnation. The inquiry into sexual abuse in the Anglican diocese of Brisbane has exposed a deeply disturbing case of the church seeking to protect a pedophile priest and the church's good name, despite the protestations of his victims. John Elliot was allowed to continue as rector of a parish during the 1990s by the then archbishop of Brisbane and now Governor-General, Peter Hollingworth, even though Hollingworth was aware the man was a pedophile. Last year, Elliot was jailed after pleading guilty to multiple sexual abuse charges from the 1970s, before he became an Anglican priest. In February this year his jail sentence was extended after he pleaded guilty to the abuse brought to Hollingworth's attention in 1993. The Governor-General has admitted he made a "serious error of judgement" in allowing Elliot to continue as rector of the parish of Dalby, and has apologised to the family involved for his handling of the issue. But a close examination of the Brisbane report reveals that the bald fact of allowing the priest to remain in office is only part of the problem. It can be construed from the report that Hollingworth allowed him to stay to protect the priest's financial interests and to safeguard the church's reputation. ::) ::) ::) http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/05/02/1051382093269.html With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. Steven Weinberg (1933 - ), quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999 because the actual RAPE of children is the same thing as failing to report it? idiot. What about covering it up and failing to act on serious claims of child sexual abuse......You have no credibility Longy!!! Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Euripides (484 BC - 406 BC), The Bacchae, circa 407 B.C.

Im too concenred the the ALPs procession of actul child rapists to be particularly concerned over Howards behaviour over an even he had nothing whatseover to do with. Clean up you own party and when you can go 10 years without a ALP MP going to jail for child sex offences then we can talk About Howard. BTW another one is going to jail here in SA later this year, so it could be a while.

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 12:57pm: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:33pm: Howard his own victim May 28 2003 John Howard is very good at assuming the role of victim. Over the past 24 hours, he has been doing his best "they're picking on me" routine. Yesterday, at least one national columnist agreed that Opposition Leader Simon Crean had "more than" implied that Howard condoned pedophilia. Yesterday, Howard was all mock indignation. He told John Laws: "To allege that in some way when asked about child abuse matters I resorted to technical legalisms, when, if you read the full transcript of that press conference, was recorded my total repugnance or distaste of [it] . . . along with 99.99 per cent of the community." As if revulsion at child abuse and obscuring it in legalisms were mutually exclusive and that Labor, by pointing to one, had accused him of the other. No one has accused Howard of condoning child sex except, obliquely, himself. No one says he protects pedophiles, but he protected a man who did. Howard's tactic worked sufficiently well that Crean found it necessary to tell the caucus that he had not accused Howard of being soft on child abuse. His rhetoric has softened. But let's not focus on what Howard hasn't been accused of, rather on what he has - a disinterest in policies to protect children and families. In question time, Labor's Nicola Roxon noted that the budget allocated only $4 million to child abuse prevention programs, which was underspent by nearly $500,000 last year. She also asked why the Government "had underspent womens' and domestic violence programs to such an extent that the Government could divert $10 million of this money to its terrorism fridge magnet campaign". The money will be restored, Howard said. But the point was why was the program so underspent that the Government could borrow a year's worth of funding? Roxon asked why his Government had long "underspent, cut and diverted funds" from child abuse and domestic violence programs. And that question - whether the Government is soft on child protection - is utterly legitimate. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/27/1053801397570.html The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. Ayn Rand (1905 - 1982), Atlas Shrugged, 1957 so the very best you can do is find some barely credible comment that howard condoned pedophilia which even the ALp utterly rejects? And in the light of the conga line of Labor Mps going to jail over these actions?? you are a flake, Phil. Not only cant you spell and put together a coherent sentence you cannot read either.....No one says Howard protects pedophiles, but he protected a man who did....You are not worth my time little man.....Go away and preach your crap to the stupid and gullible.....You are the biggest idiot on these boards and that is not an easy achievement!!! There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749 - 1832)

so he protected a man who protected a man etc etc etc. in the meantime, labor MPs assault actual children or D/L child porn and you expect me to care about Howard?

Longy wrote......

Quote:

so he protected a man who protected a man etc etc etc. in the meantime, labor MPs assault actual children or D/L child porn and you expect me to care about Howard?

I do not give a stuff what you care about actually.....My point is Howard supported Hollingworth despite serious allegations against him and in the end was proven to be wrong as Hollingworth resigned in disgrace.....Now was Howard wrong to support Hollingworth based on allegations or did Howard do the right thing until the allegations where proven.....Remember we are talking about someone covering up child sexual abuse here whilst holding the highest position in the land and having the support of the Prime Minister.....Hypocrisy thy name is Longweekend!!!

We have, in fact, two kinds of morality side by side: one which we preach but do not practice, and another which we practice but seldom preach.
Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970), Sceptical Essays (1928), "Eastern and Western Ideals of Happiness"

Longy wrote.....

Quote:

Im too concenred the the ALPs procession of actul child rapists to be particularly concerned over Howards behaviour over an even he had nothing whatseover to do with. Clean up you own party and when you can go 10 years without a ALP MP going to jail for child sex offences then we can talk About Howard. BTW another one is going to jail here in SA later this year, so it could be a while.

You have no idea do you Longy.....You missed the point altogether???

The ALP has not defended child molesters and if they do I will condemn them as they should be but that is not my point is it???

Howard supported Hollingworth when there where serious allegations made against him and never regretted his decision even when Hollingworth resigned in disgrace.....Now the Opposition are condemning the ALP for not acting against Peter Slipper based on allegations far less serious than those leveled against the Governor General.....I am not surprised you cannot see any problem as you seem to support the church covering up child sexual abuse as trivial.....You disgust me mate!!!

>:( >:( >:(

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:

Slipper was actually put into Parliament by the Liberal Party.....If Labor support him after he is exposed as a low life religious conservative they have no one to blame but themselves.....They should dump him now that the truth has come out.....If they support Slipper now they are no better than the Liberal Party!!! ::) ::) ::)

he has been well and truly exposed as you put it.. since gillard threw him a life line  not only a life line but a very very lucrative  one at that.. I doubt very much the libs would have EVER  given him the job of speaker...

and to claim only a lib knew of any of the rumors going around about him   is crap...

as we all know the libs wanted to get rid of him when his own constituents complained bitterly about his TRAVEL...he was as we all know already being investigated or at least in a strong position of being investigated when gillard gave him this job..


doesnt matter how you paint this one.. its a shocker for your side.


all they didnt see was the harassment...coming

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 2:11pm:

Longy wrote..... Quote: Im too concenred the the ALPs procession of actul child rapists to be particularly concerned over Howards behaviour over an even he had nothing whatseover to do with. Clean up you own party and when you can go 10 years without a ALP MP going to jail for child sex offences then we can talk About Howard. BTW another one is going to jail here in SA later this year, so it could be a while. You have no idea do you Longy.....You missed the point altogether??? The ALP has not defended child molesters and if they do I will condemn them as they should be but that is not my point is it??? Howard supported Hollingworth when there where serious allegations made against him and never regretted his decision even when Hollingworth resigned in disgrace.....Now the Opposition are condemning the ALP for not acting against Peter Slipper based on allegations far less serious than those leveled against the Governor General.....I am not surprised you cannot see any problem as you seem to support the church covering up child sexual abuse as trivial.....You disgust me mate!!! >:( >:( >:(

goodness me you are stooping low are you not... Hollingworth wasnt charged with anything..sure he didnt act when he knew about the facts... but its not quite in this league..

goodness me you are do desperate...

Hollingworth was charged with turning a blindeye.. and fair enough when he was put in such a highly respected position...

but he wasnt allegedly guilty of what slipper is being charged with.. or even your mate THOMO for that matter..

yet you want them left alone as if they are truly wonderful guys...and should be allowed the benefit of doubt. even though they are entitled to vote for everything that affects us..... great!

good help us if one of them is ever being investigated for murder...

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 1:57pm:

Longy wrote...... Quote: so he protected a man who protected a man etc etc etc. in the meantime, labor MPs assault actual children or D/L child porn and you expect me to care about Howard? I do not give a stuff what you care about actually.....My point is Howard supported Hollingworth despite serious allegations against him and in the end was proven to be wrong as Hollingworth resigned in disgrace.....Now was Howard wrong to support Hollingworth based on allegations or did Howard do the right thing until the allegations where proven.....Remember we are talking about someone covering up child sexual abuse here whilst holding the highest position in the land and having the support of the Prime Minister.....Hypocrisy thy name is Longweekend!!! We have, in fact, two kinds of morality side by side: one which we preach but do not practice, and another which we practice but seldom preach. Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970), Sceptical Essays (1928), "Eastern and Western Ideals of Happiness"

Maybe when you can stop making exuses the the ALP's record of actual child abuse then you can start blaming others. Until then, your own integrity is found wanting.

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 2:11pm:

Longy wrote..... Quote: Im too concenred the the ALPs procession of actul child rapists to be particularly concerned over Howards behaviour over an even he had nothing whatseover to do with. Clean up you own party and when you can go 10 years without a ALP MP going to jail for child sex offences then we can talk About Howard. BTW another one is going to jail here in SA later this year, so it could be a while. You have no idea do you Longy.....You missed the point altogether??? The ALP has not defended child molesters and if they do I will condemn them as they should be but that is not my point is it??? Howard supported Hollingworth when there where serious allegations made against him and never regretted his decision even when Hollingworth resigned in disgrace.....Now the Opposition are condemning the ALP for not acting against Peter Slipper based on allegations far less serious than those leveled against the Governor General.....I am not surprised you cannot see any problem as you seem to support the church covering up child sexual abuse as trivial.....You disgust me mate!!! >:( >:( >:(

no, the alp just elects people who DO and when they find out about it they do nothing until the police find out and then they act all self-rigteous and change NOTHING of their internal preselection policies and so elect just more of the same,

cods wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 2:45pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 2:11pm: Longy wrote..... Quote: Im too concenred the the ALPs procession of actul child rapists to be particularly concerned over Howards behaviour over an even he had nothing whatseover to do with. Clean up you own party and when you can go 10 years without a ALP MP going to jail for child sex offences then we can talk About Howard. BTW another one is going to jail here in SA later this year, so it could be a while. You have no idea do you Longy.....You missed the point altogether??? The ALP has not defended child molesters and if they do I will condemn them as they should be but that is not my point is it??? Howard supported Hollingworth when there where serious allegations made against him and never regretted his decision even when Hollingworth resigned in disgrace.....Now the Opposition are condemning the ALP for not acting against Peter Slipper based on allegations far less serious than those leveled against the Governor General.....I am not surprised you cannot see any problem as you seem to support the church covering up child sexual abuse as trivial.....You disgust me mate!!! >:( >:( >:( goodness me you are stooping low are you not... Hollingworth wasnt charged with anything..sure he didnt act when he knew about the facts... but its not quite in this league.. goodness me you are do desperate... Hollingworth was charged with turning a blindeye.. and fair enough when he was put in such a highly respected position... but he wasnt allegedly guilty of what slipper is being charged with.. or even your mate THOMO for that matter.. yet you want them left alone as if they are truly wonderful guys...and should be allowed the benefit of doubt. even though they are entitled to vote for everything that affects us..... great! good help us if one of them is ever being investigated for murder...

I wasn't aware that thompson had been charged with anything either ?

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But he admitted he could not categorically rule out the possibility that someone in the coalition had played a role in the case's preparation. "I think there are something like 100,000 members of the Liberal and National parties right around Australia," Mr Abbott told reporters in Sydney. "Can I guarantee that no-one had any role, anywhere, in anything?

Looks like he is skating around the issue in a manner which would indicate that he knows something he is not saying.

I think it is safe to say that the Lieberals are up to their necks in this maybe even a setup.

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 4:13pm:

Quote: But he admitted he could not categorically rule out the possibility that someone in the coalition had played a role in the case's preparation. "I think there are something like 100,000 members of the Liberal and National parties right around Australia," Mr Abbott told reporters in Sydney. "Can I guarantee that no-one had any role, anywhere, in anything? Looks like he is skating around the issue in a manner which would indicate that he knows something he is not saying. I think it is safe to say that the Lieberals are up to their knecks in this maybe even a setup.

I know it is a complex concept for labor suporters to get their heads around but what Abbott is saying is something you may not be overly familiar with. It is called 'honesty'. He doesnt know and so he said just that.  You and the ALP could learn from him and just stop lying,

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 4:13pm:

Quote: But he admitted he could not categorically rule out the possibility that someone in the coalition had played a role in the case's preparation. "I think there are something like 100,000 members of the Liberal and National parties right around Australia," Mr Abbott told reporters in Sydney. "Can I guarantee that no-one had any role, anywhere, in anything? Looks like he is skating around the issue in a manner which would indicate that he knows something he is not saying. I think it is safe to say that the Lieberals are up to their knecks in this maybe even a setup.

If Abbott himself is innocent of any foul play and doesn't know of anyone else who could be involved he has two options;

A) say what he just said. That he can't guarantee that no one has done anything wrong.
B) guarantee that no one is involved.

Now if it turns out someone is involved, would A or B have been the better option?

Had he gone with B and someone in the party got caught, the labor and greens would rip him to shreds and accuse him of being involved in a cover up. That is something you can guarantee.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 4:13pm: Quote: But he admitted he could not categorically rule out the possibility that someone in the coalition had played a role in the case's preparation. "I think there are something like 100,000 members of the Liberal and National parties right around Australia," Mr Abbott told reporters in Sydney. "Can I guarantee that no-one had any role, anywhere, in anything? Looks like he is skating around the issue in a manner which would indicate that he knows something he is not saying. I think it is safe to say that the Lieberals are up to their knecks in this maybe even a setup. I know it is a complex concept for labor suporters to get their heads around but what Abbott is saying is something you may not be overly familiar with. It is called 'honesty'. He doesnt know and so he said just that.  You and the ALP could learn from him and just stop lying,

I think you have questioned my honesty twice in 5 minutes.

If abbott knew nothing that is what he would say but he hasn't he has qualified his answer in a manner which would give him an out if or when the full story leaks.

He has tip toed around the edges in a very suspicious manner.

cods wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 2:37pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 24th, 2012 at 7:38pm: Slipper was actually put into Parliament by the Liberal Party.....If Labor support him after he is exposed as a low life religious conservative they have no one to blame but themselves.....They should dump him now that the truth has come out.....If they support Slipper now they are no better than the Liberal Party!!! ::) ::) ::) he has been well and truly exposed as you put it.. since gillard threw him a life line  not only a life line but a very very lucrative  one at that.. I doubt very much the libs would have EVER  given him the job of speaker... and to claim only a lib knew of any of the rumors going around about him   is crap... as we all know the libs wanted to get rid of him when his own constituents complained bitterly about his TRAVEL...he was as we all know already being investigated or at least in a strong position of being investigated when gillard gave him this job.. doesnt matter how you paint this one.. its a shocker for your side. all they didnt see was the harassment...coming

Up until October last year Abbott was singing Slippers praises....It was only last Sunday the allegations came out about Slipper although we now know the Coalition knew much more about his behaviour and still endorsed him.....Until Slipper is charged and convicted he is still innocent is he not???

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longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 3:57pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 1:57pm: Longy wrote...... Quote: so he protected a man who protected a man etc etc etc. in the meantime, labor MPs assault actual children or D/L child porn and you expect me to care about Howard? I do not give a stuff what you care about actually.....My point is Howard supported Hollingworth despite serious allegations against him and in the end was proven to be wrong as Hollingworth resigned in disgrace.....Now was Howard wrong to support Hollingworth based on allegations or did Howard do the right thing until the allegations where proven.....Remember we are talking about someone covering up child sexual abuse here whilst holding the highest position in the land and having the support of the Prime Minister.....Hypocrisy thy name is Longweekend!!! We have, in fact, two kinds of morality side by side: one which we preach but do not practice, and another which we practice but seldom preach. Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970), Sceptical Essays (1928), "Eastern and Western Ideals of Happiness" Maybe when you can stop making exuses the the ALP's record of actual child abuse then you can start blaming others. Until then, your own integrity is found wanting.

Errr...show me anywhere I have made excuses for Labor Longy.....On the other thread you claim you do not accuse posters of supporting pedophiles and only retaliate to other peoples accusations.....You are a liar and a flake of the lowest order mate.....I only bring up the Church in response to your diversions.....You are not worth my time mate!!!

>:( >:( >:(

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 3:58pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 2:11pm: Longy wrote..... Quote: Im too concenred the the ALPs procession of actul child rapists to be particularly concerned over Howards behaviour over an even he had nothing whatseover to do with. Clean up you own party and when you can go 10 years without a ALP MP going to jail for child sex offences then we can talk About Howard. BTW another one is going to jail here in SA later this year, so it could be a while. You have no idea do you Longy.....You missed the point altogether??? The ALP has not defended child molesters and if they do I will condemn them as they should be but that is not my point is it??? Howard supported Hollingworth when there where serious allegations made against him and never regretted his decision even when Hollingworth resigned in disgrace.....Now the Opposition are condemning the ALP for not acting against Peter Slipper based on allegations far less serious than those leveled against the Governor General.....I am not surprised you cannot see any problem as you seem to support the church covering up child sexual abuse as trivial.....You disgust me mate!!! >:( >:( >:( no, the alp just elects people who DO and when they find out about it they do nothing until the police find out and then they act all self-rigteous and change NOTHING of their internal preselection policies and so elect just more of the same,

So tell me again who pre selected Peter Slipper 9 times you flake???

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cods wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 2:45pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 2:11pm: Longy wrote..... Quote: Im too concenred the the ALPs procession of actul child rapists to be particularly concerned over Howards behaviour over an even he had nothing whatseover to do with. Clean up you own party and when you can go 10 years without a ALP MP going to jail for child sex offences then we can talk About Howard. BTW another one is going to jail here in SA later this year, so it could be a while. You have no idea do you Longy.....You missed the point altogether??? The ALP has not defended child molesters and if they do I will condemn them as they should be but that is not my point is it??? Howard supported Hollingworth when there where serious allegations made against him and never regretted his decision even when Hollingworth resigned in disgrace.....Now the Opposition are condemning the ALP for not acting against Peter Slipper based on allegations far less serious than those leveled against the Governor General.....I am not surprised you cannot see any problem as you seem to support the church covering up child sexual abuse as trivial.....You disgust me mate!!! >:( >:( >:( goodness me you are stooping low are you not... Hollingworth wasnt charged with anything..sure he didnt act when he knew about the facts... but its not quite in this league.. goodness me you are do desperate... Hollingworth was charged with turning a blindeye.. and fair enough when he was put in such a highly respected position... but he wasnt allegedly guilty of what slipper is being charged with.. or even your mate THOMO for that matter.. yet you want them left alone as if they are truly wonderful guys...and should be allowed the benefit of doubt. even though they are entitled to vote for everything that affects us..... great! good help us if one of them is ever being investigated for murder...

WTF.....So turning a blind eye to a child molester and failing to act on child abuse is not as bad as allegedly submitting fraudulent cab charges or misusing a credit card in your opinion......That says a lot about you Cods.....Neither Thompson or Slipper have been charged with anything and they are not my mates.....My whole argument has been about innocent until proven guilty which is where the Liberal party have stood when accusations have been leveled at their members.....No apologies Cods and I will accept you where simply mistaken again!!!

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Johnsmith wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

cods wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 2:45pm: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 2:11pm: Longy wrote..... Quote: Im too concenred the the ALPs procession of actul child rapists to be particularly concerned over Howards behaviour over an even he had nothing whatseover to do with. Clean up you own party and when you can go 10 years without a ALP MP going to jail for child sex offences then we can talk About Howard. BTW another one is going to jail here in SA later this year, so it could be a while. You have no idea do you Longy.....You missed the point altogether??? The ALP has not defended child molesters and if they do I will condemn them as they should be but that is not my point is it??? Howard supported Hollingworth when there where serious allegations made against him and never regretted his decision even when Hollingworth resigned in disgrace.....Now the Opposition are condemning the ALP for not acting against Peter Slipper based on allegations far less serious than those leveled against the Governor General.....I am not surprised you cannot see any problem as you seem to support the church covering up child sexual abuse as trivial.....You disgust me mate!!! >:( >:( >:( goodness me you are stooping low are you not... Hollingworth wasnt charged with anything..sure he didnt act when he knew about the facts... but its not quite in this league.. goodness me you are do desperate... Hollingworth was charged with turning a blindeye.. and fair enough when he was put in such a highly respected position... but he wasnt allegedly guilty of what slipper is being charged with.. or even your mate THOMO for that matter.. yet you want them left alone as if they are truly wonderful guys...and should be allowed the benefit of doubt. even though they are entitled to vote for everything that affects us..... great! good help us if one of them is ever being investigated for murder... I wasn't aware that thompson had been charged with anything either ?

your right of course... but he does have a nasty little cloud hanging over his head..

I know you guys are all for innocent until!!! well for a laborite at any rate..but if he should be found guilty we can hardly take back the votes he has made in our name can we???

sorry about this.. but it stinks on the one hand they are saving themselves.. who knows when the next person will have to be investigated it seem the norm with our pollies..

and of course they all want protection dont they???

on the other its one rule for them and one for the rest of us...

check how many coppers have been stood down/suspended WITHOUT pay...and ask them what they think about this..

the THOMO case is  a train wreck just in the extraordinary time it has taken FAIRWORK  alone..if gillard was out there putting up barricades herself it could not be more obvious someone is deliberately slowing this down... I dont think thats fair either