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How many times, after the 9-11 event, did you hear someone say, “We failed to connect the dots”, despite evidence that alarms were “blinking red” in the intelligence community all thru the summer of 2001? Even though the director of the CIA made a special unannounced visit to the National Security Advisor to warn that an attack was imminent, and that an intel briefing to the President himself spelled that out as well. The human ability to shut out information we do not wish to hear is staggering and sobering to contemplate. That’s why they call it denial. Per Wiki: Denial (also called abnegation) is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.[1] The subject may use: simple denial: deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether minimisation: admit the fact but deny its seriousness (a combination of denial and rationalization) projection: admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility. Sound familiar?

Peter Sinclair - Crock of the Week



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhCY-3XnqS0&sns=em

Okay. so what is your point? Are you predicting something?

SOB

Yes, the science is predicting more extreme weather events, and that is what we are getting. It's time more people opened their eyes.

Weird Weather 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-1iBHAivmw&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-1iBHAivmw&sns=em

Weird Weather 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTAZue6ylZ8&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTAZue6ylZ8&sns=em

MOTR wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 9:55am:

Yes, the science is predicting more extreme weather events, and that is what we are getting. It's time more people opened their eyes.

What can we do though? Oh! I know! Lets tax the crap out of it! That will teach the weather a lesson! Issue it a severe weather warning!

SOB

Can you think of a better way to reduce the amount of CO2 we are spewing into the atmosphere. This is something all countries need to do.

How about providing funding to clean energy and NOT funding dirty energy? Too easy? How about telling the energy providers they have a certain amount of time to switch to clean energy. Enforce it. Make them start up cleaner ways of generation.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 11:06am:

How about providing funding to clean energy and NOT funding dirty energy? Too easy? How about telling the energy providers they have a certain amount of time to switch to clean energy. Enforce it. Make them start up cleaner ways of generation. SOB

Because direct action like this often ends up badly. The market mechanism will facilitate a much smoother change to alternative energies. Besides funding direct action will involve higher taxes anyway.

Might be worth a visit to the Tectonic Banana site

where you'll find everything explained, if somewhat cryptically (considering its owner has been and may still be target of multiple assassination attempts)

Suffice to say, no tax, no scheme for profit cooked up by the rats posing as governments or scientists, will solve the mess.  The world is shaking itself to bits.  The Tasman Sea is being heated from below (hence the floods) and the numerous volcanic eruptions and earthquakes are beyond the powers of Juliar and her ilk to halt or fix

The greedy and power-mad are drilling for fossil fuels in places they know they're crazy to go whilst others are injecting crap and fracturing rock to get at the gas. Plate-theory is hokum.  Christchurch shocked the crap out of them.  Learn the mystery of Lake George.  Be scared about Adelaide.  People died because of this information.  And it was discovered by Aussies

and there's only one place you'll have a chance to learn any of it

http://tectonicbanana.org/ZZ-Alexandrov-4.htm #There is more

but you'll need to be quick, because it's taken down often and this guy has laid it on the line this one last time, more clearly than ever before

Doesn't sound possible. But if his theory precludes "a great big tax on everything" I'm sure he'll get his fair share of buyers.

Your link doesn't work. Can you tell me if it's a rehash of this old theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_earth_theory

MOTR wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 4:58am:

Doesn't sound possible. But if his theory precludes "a great big tax on everything" I'm sure he'll get his fair share of buyers.

You want to dismiss something researched extensively on the Aussie govt. payroll and which was closed-down suddenly by an Aussie govt. being sat on by the incredibly powerful, then sure, your prerogative

You want to buy a load of BS sold you by the alarmists and want to pay hard-earned money for joke-science, again, your prerogative

On the other hand, you could just as easily avail yourself of the opportunity to at least consider alternative science which, remember, the Oz govt. paid good money for and which eclipsed anything coming out of any other nation on earth.  So dangerous was the information, so dangerous to reckless, demented fossil fuel pimps, that they slammed the lid on it and killed those who wouldn't be silenced

Your choice to review and decide which 'science' appeals most to you.  Both paint a gloomy picture.  One treats you as if you were a simpleton, the other offers a dose of real truth before you leave the planet

Always nice to have choice, of course

I've got no idea about what you're talking about because your link doesn't work. But you're right, I'm a sceptic.

MOTR wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 5:09am:

I've got no idea about what you're talking about because your link doesn't work. But you're right, I'm a sceptic.

Good.  That's a start.  Selectively sceptical, though.  You've chosen your hobby-horse and now seem afraid of change.  Which is common

As to the link, my apologies.  As I said, the guy is under attack and does some complicated stuff

I'm no tech, but did test the link by cutting and pasting into search.  Then, under it should appear a link derived from the one posted into search and that's the one to click - brings up the latest offering from the site, or at least I was able to bring it up that way

Other way is to google it.  Google brings up several of the previous pages from the Tectonic Banana site, then it's a matter of selecting the most recent.  All versions are chaotic, no doubt about it.  Deliberately so.  Difficultly with the link is just another example of a guy trying to reveal stuff whilst remaining alive.  And to think, not all that long ago, he was one of the leading lights in a demanding field, right here in this country

For example, we've been bombarded with the Plate theory for a few decades now.  And guess most of us didn't stop to consider (because apparently we're nowhere near as astute as we believe ourselves to be) that Gibralter and Panama haven't moved.  Did that ever occur to you, because it didn't even enter my head until my attention was drawn to it on the Tectonic Banana site.  So that's just a small example of how brainwashed we actually are, even though most of us pride ourselves on our capacity for independent thought.  Funny when it's drawn to your attention ...

No, I'm sceptical about all things. It's why I've spent hundreds of hours investigating AGW.

Perhaps we could start with the name of the scientist you are talking about. I googled tectonic banana and what came up was about as clear as mud.

Why can't you just cut and paste the most coherent link?

Reason for hope.

http://climatecrock.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/yalebig.jpg

MOTR wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 2:35pm:

Reason for hope. http://climatecrock.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/yalebig.jpg

Actually these things are due to La Nina

Would you like to elaborate.

It looks like the extreme hot weather in the U.S. might be concentrating a few minds. I wonder what they will be thinking come July.

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Nashville.gif


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The U.S. is getting hit by a range of powerful extreme weather events this summer. Record droughts in the West and Midwest are fueling historic wildfires, putting pressure on farmers, and driving up crop prices. Extreme “hurricane-like” storms took eastern states by surprise over the weekend, knocking out power to millions of people and leaving them sweltering in an ongoing heat wave. Across the country in June, more than 3,000 heat records were broken. That was after an off-the-charts heat wave in March where heat records blew out cold records 12-1. With all these events occurring simultaneously, climate scientists are being more blunt than ever — and journalists are finally connecting the dots in their stories. In the last few days, we’ve seen a number of excellent pieces making the connection between these events and climate change. The latest is from Associated Press science writer Seth Borenstein: So far this year, more than 2.1 million acres have burned in wildfires, more than 113 million people in the U.S. were in areas under extreme heat advisories last Friday, two-thirds of the country is experiencing drought, and earlier in June, deluges flooded Minnesota and Florida. “This is what global warming looks like at the regional or personal level,” said Jonathan Overpeck, professor of geosciences and atmospheric sciences at the University of Arizona. “The extra heat increases the odds of worse heat waves, droughts, storms and wildfire. This is certainly what I and many other climate scientists have been warning about.” “What we’re seeing really is a window into what global warming really looks like,” said Princeton University geosciences and international affairs professor Michael Oppenheimer. “It looks like heat. It looks like fires. It looks like this kind of environmental disasters.”

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/sfc_con_temp.062912.20z.gif

The point here is not that the weather is hot, therefore we must be experiencing global warming. The point is record after record is being blown away, yet some want to tell us the planet is cooling.

What would really help is if people would remember two key things about global warming.

1.  The term itself, "Global Warming".  A lot of people will try and say "but it's cooler where I'm at! Where's the warming, hurr hurr", completely forgetting the first half of the term.  It's called global warming because the concept has to do with change in global mean temperature.

2.  Remember that climatologists are a kind of scientist and when scientists talk about heat they're really talking about energy. As global mean temp rises the total energy in the atmosphere also increases. Since that energy has to go somewhere, and because our planet's atmosphere is basically a giant heat engine, that added energy results in increased severe weather period, not just heat waves.

When daily record-high temperatures outpace daily record-lows you know you have a trend on your hands. The long term trend is 2-1' this year it's 7-1 and that's without an El Nino.

Uh, I was agreeing with you, dude.  That was purely for the benefit of those other Martians.

MOTR wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 5:09am:

I've got no idea about what you're talking about because your link doesn't work. But you're right, I'm a sceptic.

http://tectonicbanana.org/ZZ-Alexandrov-4.htm

Thats the link. I read it but still dont know what its about. Ring of fire and bananas. Oh and the triangles.

SOB

Chard wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 4:03am:

Uh, I was agreeing with you, dude.  That was purely for the benefit of those other Martians.

I understood you were. I was just getting in a preemptive strike on the Martians.


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“It’s easy to break an individual record because the weather system happens to be at that particular location. With an unchanging climate you expect that the number of highs and the number of low temperature records are about the same. And that was the case in the 1950′s, 60′s and 70′s. And then by the 2000′s, we were breaking high temperature records at a ratio of 2 to 1 over cold temperature records. But this year, we’ve been breaking high temperature records at a rate of about 10 to 1. Ironically, there are still some cool spots — mainly in the Pacific Northwest and cold temperature records continue to be broken. So breaking records is not an indication of climate change, but breaking records at a rate of 10 to 1 versus the cold records, that’s a clear indication of climate change.”

Kevin Trenberth, a senior scientist with the National Center for Atmospheric Research

I think the government failed to press home the facts on climate change and global warming and the consequences of doing nothing.

Julia keeps trying to convince us that we need carbon pricing but she fails to demonstrate why this is so important. People need it to be spelt out to them, they won't just go and research it for themselves.

Maybe some ads showing the devastating effects of global warming. Or she could explain that the money will be used for clean, green technology that will eventually go some way to replacing the use of dirty coal.

Most people do their bit to protect the planet by recycling and taking better care of rubbish disposal, so in time they will come around to the idea that we need to be innovative and go forward with green technology.

It's a great shame we don't have a bipartisan approach to this problem. The irony is that both parties agree we have to do something and their goal is the same.

The problem is how to you get such a serious message across without being accused of scaremongering.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhCY-3XnqS0&sns=em