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Message started by falah on Apr 19th, 2012 at 12:36pm

Title: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by falah on Apr 19th, 2012 at 12:36pm
How close to fascism is Australia?

Assange-link lawyer on 'inhibited' fly list

An Australian human rights lawyer and Wikileaks representative has reportedly been placed on a watch-list and requires permission from the Department of Foreign Affairs to fly home.

Jennifer Robinson claims she was stopped at Heathrow Airport this morning, only days after meeting with Wikileaks founder Julian Assange.

Robinson said she was told she was on an inhibited travel list and unable to enter Australia without permission from the Department of Foreign Affairs.
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"Just delayed from checking in at LHR because I'm apparently "inhibited" - requiring approval from Australia House @dfat to travel," she tweeted.

An airport security guard told the London-based human rights lawyer she "must have done something controversial" and said he would have to phone the embassy, she said.

She then tweeted, "@dfat Please explain: What is the "inhibited" travel list? And why am I now apparently on it?"

http://www.theage.com.au/national/assangelink-lawyer-on-inhibited-fly-list-20120419-1x8sf.html

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by Spot of Borg on Apr 19th, 2012 at 12:38pm
Lol. Doesnt take much to get on it. I know. She associated with him. That will do it.

SOB

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by pansi1951 on Apr 19th, 2012 at 12:43pm
Much like America, if you're not with us in our corruption, you are against us.


Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by Sprintcyclist on Apr 19th, 2012 at 1:16pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 12:43pm:
Much like America, if you're not with us in our corruption, you are against us.



Grow up.

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by pansi1951 on Apr 19th, 2012 at 2:45pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 1:16pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 12:43pm:
Much like America, if you're not with us in our corruption, you are against us.



Grow up.



Has Julian Assange broken the law? Has he been charged with breaking the law?

Why would an associate of his be put on the flight risk list?

I'll tell you why.

Because she is with the perceived enemy, so she must be against the establishment.

Expose corrupt governments at all costs.

Good on Assange and good on the LA Times for exposing American servicemen playing with dead bodies.

Truth in reporting.

Bring it on!!!!

http://www.latimes.com/




Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by bobbythebat1 on Apr 19th, 2012 at 2:46pm
We are all being watched.

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by falah on Apr 19th, 2012 at 3:22pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 2:46pm:
We are all being watched.


ASIO eyes green groups

AUSTRALIA'S leading counter-terrorism agency has been providing intelligence to the federal government on environmental groups that campaign against coalmining.

The Australia Security Intelligence Organisation's politically sensitive monitoring of the campaigners comes after Resources and Energy Minister Martin Ferguson warned that protests at power stations and coal export terminals could have ''life-threatening'' consequences and ''major trade and investment implications''.

Security officials have suggested privately that environmental activists pose greater threats to energy infrastructure than terrorists. But confirmation that ASIO has been monitoring and advising on security issues arising from such activism is likely to cause tensions between federal Labor and their parliamentary allies, the Australian Greens.
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Greens leader Bob Brown said yesterday it was ''intolerable that the Labor government was spying on conservation groups'' and condemned the ''deployment of ASIO as a political weapon'' against peaceful protests...

...ASIO is exempt from freedom of information laws and is described on its website as ''the only agency in the Australian intelligence community authorised in the normal course of its duties to undertake investigations into the activities of Australian persons''. Other FOI documents confirm that Mr Ferguson pressed then attorney-general Robert McClelland in September 2009 to see whether ''the intelligence-gathering services of the Australian Federal Police'' could be used to help energy companies handle increasing activity by coalmining protesters...

...Mr McClelland confirmed in reply in November 2009 that the AFP ''continually monitors the activities of issues-motivated groups and individuals who may target establishments through direct action, or action designed to disrupt or interfere with essential services''...

...He said that ''where warranted, ASIO advice may take the form of security intelligence reports, notification of protest action or threat assessments''...

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/asio-eyes-green-groups-20120411-1wsba.html


Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by The tolerator on Apr 19th, 2012 at 3:26pm
She simply must have been put on the list for her association with Assange.  There is no other explanation.  I mean, no lawyer would ever put a foot wrong would they?  No lawyer could ever be a bad person.

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by pansi1951 on Apr 19th, 2012 at 3:46pm

... wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 3:26pm:
She simply must have been put on the list for her association with Assange.  There is no other explanation.  I mean, no lawyer would ever put a foot wrong would they?  No lawyer could ever be a bad person.


Of course. Why couldn't I work that out. She could be a terrorist, matter of fact I'm sure she is. Good work ASIO  ;)  ;)



Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by The tolerator on Apr 19th, 2012 at 4:02pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

... wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 3:26pm:
She simply must have been put on the list for her association with Assange.  There is no other explanation.  I mean, no lawyer would ever put a foot wrong would they?  No lawyer could ever be a bad person.


Of course. Why couldn't I work that out. She could be a terrorist, matter of fact I'm sure she is. Good work ASIO  ;)  ;)



She very well could be a terrorist....unless of course you think all terrorists are bearded muslim maniacs?

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by chimera on Apr 19th, 2012 at 4:34pm
It's the long arm of US law, they compel British passengers to Canada to give their names and addresses to US intelligence. The lawyer with Assange, under house arrest and in line for US jail, must also be a US suspect and they probably need her details, or she can't visit Oz.

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by pansi1951 on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:00pm
ha ha....now Australia is saying there is no list. Fairdinkum they must think we came down in the last shower.


Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by freediver on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:07pm
Falah how does Australia compare to the level of free speech tolerated under your ideal Islamic society? Would it be fair to describe your take on this as hypocritical and opportunistic?

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by Spot of Borg on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:41pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:00pm:
ha ha....now Australia is saying there is no list. Fairdinkum they must think we came down in the last shower.


Huh? I remember when they brought in "the list" and the software to put ppl on it was installed in airports. It checks who your friends are and who you have been associated with. This was big news @ the time. Howard was in power.

SOB

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by Dnarever on Apr 19th, 2012 at 7:26pm

Lawyer put on inhibited fly list

The bureaucracy really is atrocious and totally out of control. This if true is a disgrace.

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by Spot of Borg on Apr 19th, 2012 at 7:33pm
But its okay if an ordinary non-lawyer gets on the list and isnt told why.

SOB

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by nairbe on Apr 19th, 2012 at 7:34pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 7:26pm:
Lawyer put on inhibited fly list

The bureaucracy really is atrocious and totally out of control. This if true is a disgrace.


It shows how insecure the system currently is. There must be a real sense that things could get out of their control very quickly. Our government is too scared to speak out and demand assurance from the US over extradition. Far too much fear, it is a worry.

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by Dnarever on Apr 19th, 2012 at 7:35pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 7:33pm:
But its okay if an ordinary non-lawyer gets on the list and isnt told why.

SOB


No it is a disgrace for anyone to be put on such a list without a good solid and verifiable reason.

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by Dnarever on Apr 19th, 2012 at 7:37pm
Lawyer put on inhibited fly list

I would support all Lawyers being put on inhibited fly lists.

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by falah on Apr 19th, 2012 at 7:39pm

freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:07pm:
Falah how does Australia compare to the level of free speech tolerated under your ideal Islamic society? Would it be fair to describe your take on this as hypocritical and opportunistic?


Can you explain which law Assange or his lawyer have broken in Australian or Islamic law?

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by freediver on Apr 19th, 2012 at 7:44pm
I have no idea about Islamic law. I doubt Muhammed made too many laws regarding publishing secrets on the internet. Given how easy it is to get stoned to death for something 'related to' treason under Islamic law (eg by changing your religion), I expect that Assange's equivalent in an Islamic state would find himself on the wrong side of the law pretty easily.

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by Dnarever on Apr 19th, 2012 at 7:44pm

falah wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 7:39pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:07pm:
Falah how does Australia compare to the level of free speech tolerated under your ideal Islamic society? Would it be fair to describe your take on this as hypocritical and opportunistic?


Can you explain which law Assange or his lawyer have broken in Australian or Islamic law?



Assange told everyone the truth and his Lawyer is trying to defend this atrocity.

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by bobbythebat1 on Apr 19th, 2012 at 7:51pm

falah wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 2:46pm:
We are all being watched.


ASIO eyes green groups

AUSTRALIA'S leading counter-terrorism agency has been providing intelligence to the federal government on environmental groups that campaign against coalmining.

The Australia Security Intelligence Organisation's politically sensitive monitoring of the campaigners comes after Resources and Energy Minister Martin Ferguson warned that protests at power stations and coal export terminals could have ''life-threatening'' consequences and ''major trade and investment implications''.

Security officials have suggested privately that environmental activists pose greater threats to energy infrastructure than terrorists. But confirmation that ASIO has been monitoring and advising on security issues arising from such activism is likely to cause tensions between federal Labor and their parliamentary allies, the Australian Greens.
Advertisement: Story continues below

Greens leader Bob Brown said yesterday it was ''intolerable that the Labor government was spying on conservation groups'' and condemned the ''deployment of ASIO as a political weapon'' against peaceful protests...

...ASIO is exempt from freedom of information laws and is described on its website as ''the only agency in the Australian intelligence community authorised in the normal course of its duties to undertake investigations into the activities of Australian persons''. Other FOI documents confirm that Mr Ferguson pressed then attorney-general Robert McClelland in September 2009 to see whether ''the intelligence-gathering services of the Australian Federal Police'' could be used to help energy companies handle increasing activity by coalmining protesters...

...Mr McClelland confirmed in reply in November 2009 that the AFP ''continually monitors the activities of issues-motivated groups and individuals who may target establishments through direct action, or action designed to disrupt or interfere with essential services''...

...He said that ''where warranted, ASIO advice may take the form of security intelligence reports, notification of protest action or threat assessments''...

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/asio-eyes-green-groups-20120411-1wsba.html



Falah - I wouldn't mind betting that you're on some list.

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by falah on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:17pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 7:51pm:

falah wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 2:46pm:
We are all being watched.


ASIO eyes green groups

AUSTRALIA'S leading counter-terrorism agency has been providing intelligence to the federal government on environmental groups that campaign against coalmining.

The Australia Security Intelligence Organisation's politically sensitive monitoring of the campaigners comes after Resources and Energy Minister Martin Ferguson warned that protests at power stations and coal export terminals could have ''life-threatening'' consequences and ''major trade and investment implications''.

Security officials have suggested privately that environmental activists pose greater threats to energy infrastructure than terrorists. But confirmation that ASIO has been monitoring and advising on security issues arising from such activism is likely to cause tensions between federal Labor and their parliamentary allies, the Australian Greens.
Advertisement: Story continues below

Greens leader Bob Brown said yesterday it was ''intolerable that the Labor government was spying on conservation groups'' and condemned the ''deployment of ASIO as a political weapon'' against peaceful protests...

...ASIO is exempt from freedom of information laws and is described on its website as ''the only agency in the Australian intelligence community authorised in the normal course of its duties to undertake investigations into the activities of Australian persons''. Other FOI documents confirm that Mr Ferguson pressed then attorney-general Robert McClelland in September 2009 to see whether ''the intelligence-gathering services of the Australian Federal Police'' could be used to help energy companies handle increasing activity by coalmining protesters...

...Mr McClelland confirmed in reply in November 2009 that the AFP ''continually monitors the activities of issues-motivated groups and individuals who may target establishments through direct action, or action designed to disrupt or interfere with essential services''...

...He said that ''where warranted, ASIO advice may take the form of security intelligence reports, notification of protest action or threat assessments''...

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/asio-eyes-green-groups-20120411-1wsba.html



Falah - I wouldn't mind betting that you're on some list.


Judging by the 500% increase in their budget since 2001, ASIO should have most of Australia on a watchlist.

$1.4 billion per year is spent on ASIO spying on Australian citizens.


And judging by the comments on this forum, ASIO should be putting a lot of contributors on a watchlist:

Threat of fascist attacks revealed



FASCIST and nationalist extremist groups are active in and pose a threat to Australia, with the country's security agency saying there are legitimate concerns they may spawn a terrorist in the style of Norway's Anders Breivik.

The assessment, in the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation's annual report to Parliament, also reveals Australia's right-wing extremists, much like the Islamic fundamentalists they loathe, draw inspiration from overseas via the internet.

''There has been a persistent but small subculture of racist and nationalist extremists in Australia, forming groups, fragmenting, re-forming and often fighting amongst themselves,'' the report states.

The report reveals ASIO - whose budget has grown by almost 500 per cent since 2001 and will next year move into a half-billion-dollar Canberra headquarters - has never been busier, with the number of terrorist investigations rising from about 100 in 2005 to almost 300 this year.

But it is the far-right threat that may surprise the public.

As the recent case of Anders Breivik shows, the dangers posed by right-wing extremists have not abated, despite most intelligence agencies focusing on the threats posed by Islamic terrorism.

A Christian who described himself as a ''modern-day crusader'', Breivik killed 77 people during a bombing in Oslo and a shooting rampage at a teen camp at an island outside the Norwegian capital in July.

The report reveals ASIO - whose budget has grown by almost 500 per cent since 2001 and will next year move into a half-billion-dollar Canberra headquarters - has never been busier, with the number of terrorist investigations rising from about 100 in 2005 to almost 300 this year.

But it is the far-right threat that may surprise the public.

As the recent case of Anders Breivik shows, the dangers posed by right-wing extremists have not abated, despite most intelligence agencies focusing on the threats posed by Islamic terrorism.

A Christian who described himself as a ''modern-day crusader'', Breivik killed 77 people during a bombing in Oslo and a shooting rampage at a teen camp at an island outside the Norwegian capital in July.

[url]Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/threat-of-fascist-attacks-revealed-20111011-1lj7z.html#ixzz1sTowlalK
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Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by falah on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:23pm
Hidden Agendas: Our Intelligence Services

On the northern shore of Canberra’s Lake Burley Griffin, in the heart of the prized parliamentary triangle, a concrete and glass monolith is rising from the dirt. On a site the size of three city blocks and with floor space measuring 62,000 square metres, it is the biggest construction project Canberra has seen since the new Parliament House, which was the most expensive building in the Southern Hemisphere when it was opened by Queen Elizabeth in 1988.

This grand edifice is to be the new home of Australia’s premier spy agency, the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO). Costed at a staggering $585 million, the building has been called a “monster” by the architect of Parliament House. Yet it’s a fitting abode for an organisation that has grown over the past decade into one of the most powerful government bodies in the land – its staff numbers trebled, its budget increased more than sixfold to $438 million per year.

ASIO’s grandiose new headquarters are a monument to an intelligence complex on which Australia now spends around $1.4 billion per annum, out of a total national security budget of about $4 billion. According to the Australian Defence Almanac 2010–2011 published by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI), ASIO’s slice of that pie has risen 535% since 2001. Its twin, the foreign spy agency the Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS), has enjoyed a budget increase of 344%, while analysis agency the Office of National Assessments (ONA) has had a 443% bonus.

“Total funding for the Australian Intelligence Community (AIC) has increased at a pace faster than some of our allied intelligence partners,” notes a recent ASPI report. “In the United Kingdom, for example, total funding for intelligence has increased by only 68% since 2004, albeit from a higher base.”

“By almost any measure, the increase is enormous,” says Professor George Williams, founding director of the Gilbert + Tobin Centre of Public Law at the University of New South Wales (UNSW). But like the building itself, which was approved with minimal public consultation and exempted from parliamentary scrutiny because the then government deemed it “not in the public interest”, the extraordinary growth of Australia’s intelligence behemoth has occurred in the absence of any vigorous public debate. Questioning of the fact is routinely muted by the bipartisan consensus that national security must be protected, seemingly at any cost.

“From a policy perspective, the difficulty of assessing whether these agencies are performing is that agencies such as ASIO are unaccountable – you never know what they’re doing and we’re not entitled to know, and it makes it very difficult for the community to make an assessment,” says the barrister and civil rights activist Greg Barnes. “What government is going to cut back money for the security agencies? Then it’ll leak out: ‘sources say government risks terror attack’. So they’ve got them over a barrel.”

If the government is over a barrel then the man with the spanker must be Allan Gyngell, the director-general of ONA, designated as Australia’s “peak intelligence agency”. The lean, bespectacled Gyngell – a former adviser to Prime Minister Paul Keating and head of the prestigious Lowy Institute for International Policy from 2003 to 2009 – returned to take the reins at ONA last year after a 20-year absence from the agency; he worked as an analyst back in the ’80s when the Kremlinologists still held sway.

That world has spawned the phenomenal growth of the six agencies that make up the Australian Intelligence Community, of which Gyngell is nominally the head. As well as running ONA, which analyses incoming intelligence and advises the government on international issues, Gyngell co-ordinates the activities of the foreign intelligence collection services and chairs a monthly meeting of agency heads. In addition to the three civilian bodies there are three military agencies that come under the Department of Defence: the Defence Signals Directorate (DSD), which intercepts and reports foreign communications; the Defence Intelligence Organisation (DIO), which provides strategic intelligence to support military operations; and the Defence Imagery and Geospatial Organisation (DIGO), which collects visual intelligence.

Add to the mix the Australian Federal Police (AFP), who are primarily responsible for law enforcement but have their own growing intelligence capacity, and Australia seems conspicuously over-serviced. The US, by comparison, has no domestic intelligence agency; the CIA handles foreign intelligence, while the FBI doubles as domestic intelligence collector and law enforcer. Canada has only one agency with carriage of domestic and foreign intelligence. The UK has two – MI5 and MI6 – but no national police force. All of which leaves Australia with at least one more national security-cum-intelligence outfit than most of its counterparts.

Our intelligence agencies are also far more secretive than those overseas, affecting an air of subterfuge that sometimes borders on the comical. The existence of ASIS, for example, was only publicly acknowledged in 1977, 25 years after it was formed. Industry insiders tend to refer to ASIS in hushed tones and not by name, using terms such as “the other place” or “the dark side”. When I rang the public information office of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT), which ASIS reports to, a media officer would not even confirm this fact. The current director-general of ASIS, former defence department chief Nick Warner, declined to comment for this article, saying the head of ASIS has never been interviewed in the media (although one of his predecessors, Alan Taylor, did hold a press conference in 2001). Compare this with the high public profile enjoyed by successive heads of the CIA. And compare the ASIS website – a handful of pages with no phone numbers listed except to a line providing career advice – with the CIA’s, which contains hundreds of pages including a kids’ page, games, a virtual tour of its headquarters and more than 300 press releases issued since 1994. (ASIS has never issued one that I can find.)

While, unlike ASIS, the ‘S’ in ASIO does not stand for ‘Secret’, our domestic agency also employs a cloak-and-dagger style. ASIO staff introduce themselves at conferences only by their first names and say they work for “the attorney-general’s department”. Until recently the ASIO switchboard operator would answer only “hello”, without identifying the agency by name. Alone in the public relations world, ASIO media officers don’t give their surnames.

Such a plethora of agencies, each jealously guarding its secrets, inevitably leads to overlap and duplication, along with rivalry, suspicion, information hoarding and turf wars. There are myriad anecdotes to this effect. A participant at a recent conference attended by representatives of various agencies in Sydney tells how delegates sniggered when an ASIO staffer told the gathering, “you can’t write my name down, so if anyone’s written my name down would you please pass the piece of paper up to the front of the room.” The speaker following him announced “my name’s [withheld] and you can write my name down and for bugger’s sake don’t hand the piece of paper up to the front.” This second speaker was reportedly furious, having learnt that ASIO had kept important new research data to itself, and went on: “This is supposed to be an adult working environment but as you can see it’s not. They lie to us continuously, and I don’t know why they do it, but it makes our job impossible.”

Gyngell says the agencies co-operate much more closely than they did 20 years ago, when they behaved like “powerful individual fiefdoms with limited contact with each other”. But Carl Ungerer, a former ONA analyst who now heads ASPI’s national security program, says the agencies still operate like vast information silos, separated by diverse histories and cultures, and with entrenched bureaucracies jealously guarding their own turf. “Their growth has made them even more siloed [and] more fearfully guarding the independence of what they do in the system, because they’re bigger and stronger now and able to operate on their own,” says Ungerer.

Assessing the performance of the Australian Intelligence Community is difficult when so little of its work is public. “Compared with their American counterparts, Australian intelligence agencies often seem draped in too much secrecy, particularly with regard to the past,” says another former ONA analyst, Ken Ward. He notes it would be virtually impossible here to write the kind of authoritative histories of intelligence that are routinely written in the US. “I think it would be better if the Australian public were better informed. If America can do it without damaging its national security, why can’t Australia?”...

...ASIS’s reputation has never entirely recovered from the infamous Sheraton Hotel fiasco in 1983, when masked commandos with machine-guns terrified staff and guests during a hostage-rescue exercise at the five-star Melbourne hotel. ASIS has since been overhauled and now claims to be a “dynamic”, “high-performing” organisation. But it is still regarded with mild derision by some within the high-end agencies such as ONA. (“ASIS people have to lie for their living,” one insider commented to me.) Some argue privately that separate domestic and foreign intelligence bodies are unnecessary for a country such as Australia in a globalised world. “Some say you could get rid of ASIS tomorrow and it wouldn’t make a jot of difference,” another insider says.

http://www.themonthly.com.au/monthly-essays-sally-neighbour-hidden-agendas-our-intelligence-services-2857

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by falah on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:33pm
ONA copped another serve after an inquiry in 2004 headed by its one-time director-general Philip Flood into the failure of Australia’s intelligence agencies to accurately assess Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction (WMD) program before March 2003, when the US and Australia invaded Iraq – purportedly to destroy a deadly WMD capacity that, as it turned out, did not exist.

The 2004 Flood report found systemic weaknesses contributed to “a failure of intelligence” by ONA – which had assessed that Iraq “must have WMD” – and, to a lesser extent, DIO. These weaknesses included “a failure to rigorously challenge preconceptions” and the absence of a “consistent and rigorous culture of challenge to and engagement with intelligence reports”. Flood pointed to a lack of dialogue between agencies and said “broader analysis … was largely absent”. The inquiry found “inconsistency in assessments, unclear presentation [and] lack of precision” and concluded: “the pool of analytical skills backed by technical and scientific knowledge is shallow.” Between the diplomatically worded lines was a scathing indictment.

Flood recommended a doubling of ONA’s staff and funding, and more focus on training and development, which have been implemented. But some question this solution. “A bigger agency is not necessarily a better one, especially if the recruitment pool for potential analysts hasn’t grown,” says Ward. More important than having extra staff is avoiding ‘group think’, an inherent peril in the intelligence world. Gyngell says rigorous new quality controls have been put in place. “We focus more on long-term issues now than before and our structures for review are stronger. Very formal reviews of all our judgements are done now, [whereby with] every judgement made, we look back over 12 months and see whether we were right or wrong, and why.” But there’s no guarantee ONA will get it right next time. “We’re not fortune tellers, we are in the business of making judgements, and we will get things wrong. But I think the internal processes for review and contestability [and] the external interactions we have with other agencies within the Australian government make us better placed to avoid such mistakes.”

The Flood report and the intelligence failure over Iraq’s WMD illustrate another major danger for an agency such as ONA: political pressure to produce intelligence that backs government policy. Between February and May 2003, ONA was asked to vet five major speeches on Iraq made by then Prime Minister John Howard. Some ONA staff were furious when Howard implied in parliament that he had the agency’s imprimatur for invading Iraq. “Howard butchered and bastardised the material we gave him,” one insider says. Former ONA analyst Andrew Wilkie, elected as an independent in this year’s federal election, resigned from ONA in protest at the time.

“As Iraq showed, so much intelligence is tainted by human agenda and bias,” comments Ungerer, who says keeping government policy and intelligence separate is the single most critical challenge. The same concern emerged during the ‘children overboard’ affair in 2001, when Howard cited an ONA report to support his claims that asylum seekers on a boat north of Christmas Island had deliberately thrown their children into the sea. The report, which was based on media coverage and the government’s own statements, was wrong.

The Flood report warned pointedly of the risk of “overt pressure from government or policy departments to reach a particular judgement,” while concluding there was “no evidence of politicisation of the assessments on Iraq”. To avoid this occurring, Flood recommended the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security (IGIS) conduct periodic reviews of ONA’s statutory independence. Gyngell agrees this is crucial. “The only point of having an organisation like ONA is precisely so that it is standing apart from policies the government has devised and looking at the world as objectively as possible.” For the record, he adds: “I don’t feel under any pressure to deliver what the government wants.”...

...“Agencies such as ASIO have grown exponentially so of course there have been enormous growing pains,” says Associate Professor Ben Saul, co-director of the Sydney Centre for International Law. “Most of its staff are very junior, with less than a few years experience, and very few are highly experienced. There’s not much you can do about that when you have to expand so quickly, but it does raise questions about the quality of the work. Intelligence work requires tact and sensitivity, and if you’ve got a bunch of 20-year-olds running around tapping people’s phones, it does raise questions.”...

...ASIO and its officers have been entrusted with a suite of new powers that allow unprecedented intrusion into the lives of Australians who come into their orbit. Since 2002, no fewer than 45 new security laws have been passed – all but one of them under the Howard government – mainly dealing with terrorism. The clause that most alarms lawyers and civil libertarians is section 34D of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation Act, which allows ASIO to detain people who are not suspected of any offence for questioning for up to seven days. Detainees are prohibited from revealing their detention or whereabouts to anyone, even their families.

“No other intelligence agency in a liberal western democracy has detention powers like ASIO’s,” says Dr Christopher Michaelsen, a senior research fellow in the law faculty of UNSW. “Is the terrorist threat in Australia really so severe that ASIO needs those powers?”

“The broader point,” says Saul, “is when agencies are given so many new powers it’s a pretty powerful political message being sent by government that these are powers the agencies are expected to use. It generates a lot of law enforcement activity that didn’t exist before and it inevitably leads to a whole range of over-policing.”...

...“Last year alarming new powers were given to ASIO to carry weapons and investigate certain crimes, such as people smuggling. There have been extensive increases in the powers of surveillance. Telephone intercepts have gone up massively. The last comparison we did showed that,” per capita, Australia has about 26 times the rate of phone intercept warrants as the United States....

...The veil of secrecy cloaks all court proceedings where national security is involved. Under the National Security Information (Criminal and Civil Proceedings) Act, whenever evidence deemed to impinge on national security is to be introduced, the attorney-general must be notified so the court can be closed to assess whether the evidence can be heard. Lawyers in some terrorism trials have had to undergo security checks and sign secrecy agreements that prevent them disclosing classified evidence, even to their clients. The use of so-called ‘criminal intelligence’, secret evidence that can be heard in the absence of an accused person and his or her lawyers, has spread from counterterrorism legislation into other areas of the law governing security, firearms, liquor licensing and motorcycle gangs.

In ASIO’s case, the court-sanctioned secrecy ensures its ventures onto the “dark side” – in the words of former American Vice President Dick Cheney – are kept well out of public view. Former terrorism suspect and Guantanamo Bay inmate Mamdouh Habib is currently suing the Commonwealth, alleging it was complicit in his 2001 capture by the CIA in Pakistan and subsequent “rendition” to Egypt. The central question in Habib’s case is whether ASIO effectively gave the green light to his transfer to Egypt, where he was detained and tortured for seven months. Establishing the truth of this may take years and may ultimately prove impossible, because virtually every detail of Habib’s treatment is exempt from disclosure because of ‘national security’.

“It’s all bullshit,” argues Peter Faris, QC and former chairman of the National Crime Authority. “A lot of security related evidence is completely overrated. My experience with secret organisations is not only do they use it to cover up material that’s sensitive, but they use it to cover up all material including errors they’ve made. There is no transparency or accountability, and that’s my concern.”...

...The tables were turned with the case of Mohamed Haneef, arrested in July 2007 after his cousin was involved in attempted terrorist bombings in London and Glasgow. This time it was the AFP who stumbled, repeatedly extending Haneef’s detention under the draconian provisions of the counterterrorism laws, and ultimately charging him with supporting terrorists, despite demonstrable lack of evidence to support the charge, which was eventually withdrawn by the Director of Public Prosecutions. Details supplied to the Clarke inquiry in 2008 showed that throughout the saga ASIO repeatedly advised the government and the AFP there was no evidence Haneef was involved in or had foreknowledge of the events in the UK, or posed any security risk himself. This repeated advice was assiduously ignored by the AFP.

“They ignored it because they were following their own agenda,” says an inside observer. “The Haneef case showed a police service that seemed to be out of control, operating in the national security space, refusing to acknowledge the [ASIO] threat assessments because ‘we’re the counter-terrorism experts’, when in fact they’re not.” ASIO was commended by IGIS for showing “good moral courage in expressing its views”. But this same observer asks: “Why the hell didn’t the director-general of ASIO go around and see Keelty and say ‘listen, you’re wrong’?”

http://www.themonthly.com.au/monthly-essays-sally-neighbour-hidden-agendas-our-intelligence-services-2857

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by falah on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:36pm
Terrorism sceptics such as UNSW’s Dr Michaelsen argue the allocated resources vastly outweigh the “negligible” risk. “More Americans have drowned in the bath than have been killed by terrorists in recent years. The risk of being killed in a terrorist attack in Australia is one in 33 million, compared with the risk of getting killed in a traffic accident, which is one in 15,000,” he says. The more time elapses since a major terrorist incident, the more traction this argument gains.

“Is the money justified?” asks Ungerer. “Ten billion dollars in new money spent over and above regular departmental costs since 2001. That is a lot of money in anyone’s terms.”

...the need for strong leadership and ongoing reform have been relegated in favour of a policy of throwing more money at every new problem that arises – such as the $69 million for biometric scanning at airports provided in the last federal budget after the 2009 Christmas Day bombing attempt in the US. “We have this kind of plug system rather than any broad systemic analysis of where we want the Australian Intelligence Community to be in five, ten or 20 years,” Ungerer says. The bottom line for the agencies is succinctly stated in the ASPI report: “Sustaining this level of funding will prove increasingly difficult in the absence of a major national security incident on Australian soil.”

http://www.themonthly.com.au/monthly-essays-sally-neighbour-hidden-agendas-our-intelligence-services-2857

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by great one on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:45pm
I think all lawyers should be put on a list , aklthough I've a different list in mind... they've done nothing except ruin the country .... take the story today of the woman having sex on a business trip ... she was today found eligble for workers compensation ... what a fuked up decision that is ... unless she was actually working as a hooker, what she does in her time is her business ....lawyers , shoot the lot of them

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by great one on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:47pm

falah wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 7:39pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:07pm:
Falah how does Australia compare to the level of free speech tolerated under your ideal Islamic society? Would it be fair to describe your take on this as hypocritical and opportunistic?


Can you explain which law Assange or his lawyer have broken in Australian or Islamic law?


Dealing in stolen goods is a crime... why is it acceptable if its a 'journalist'? (I use the term lightly)

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by falah on Apr 19th, 2012 at 9:04pm

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:47pm:

falah wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 7:39pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:07pm:
Falah how does Australia compare to the level of free speech tolerated under your ideal Islamic society? Would it be fair to describe your take on this as hypocritical and opportunistic?


Can you explain which law Assange or his lawyer have broken in Australian or Islamic law?


Dealing in stolen goods is a crime... why is it acceptable if its a 'journalist'? (I use the term lightly)


What "goods" were stolen?

Has the US Government claimed ownership of the cables? No. They can't because that really would be telling wouldn't it?

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by freediver on Apr 19th, 2012 at 9:15pm
Isn't the charge rape or something like that?

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by falah on Apr 19th, 2012 at 9:32pm

freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 9:15pm:
Isn't the charge rape or something like that?


He has been charged with not using a condom.

The CIA assets have accused Assange of not using a condom!



Quote:
On Friday last week, Ms A and Ms W together approached police in Stockholm and reported that they had been sexually assaulted by Assange.

• Both women reported that they had been involved in consensual sexual relationships with Assange, but each reported a separate non-consensual incident of a similar character in which Assange allegedly had sex with them without using a condom.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/aug/24/assange-wikileaks-swedish-prosecutors-charges




Quote:
Sweden's reputation is on trial in Julian Assange case

APPARENTLY having consensual sex in Sweden without a condom is punishable by a term of imprisonment of a minimum of two years for Rape


That was the basis for a recent revival of rape allegations against Wikileaks figurehead Julian Assange that is destined to make Sweden and its justice system the laughing stock of the world and dramatically damage its reputation as a model of modernity...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/swedens-reputation-is-on-trial-in-julian-assange-case/story-e6frfhqf-1225965772832

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by Frances on Apr 19th, 2012 at 10:04pm
falah obviously didn't read the articles he linked to in his last post.  The women consented to sex with Assange if he used a condom, but did not consent to sex with him without a condom.  What started off as consensual sex developed into a sexual assault.

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by chimera on Apr 19th, 2012 at 11:06pm
Salman Rushdie publicised the top-security verses of the Korani government and is off the Saudi Airlines Frequent Flyer bonus scheme.

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by pansi1951 on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:38am
The sex thing is a trumped up charge to get him to Sweden and then extradited to the states on terrorism charges and a little bit of good old fashioned torture American style. This sort of thing takes the eyes off their financial woes, always up for a good international espionage drama.

There will always be another Julian Assange/Wikileaks, and there will always be a way to digitally spread the dirt on those countries that do the wrong thing by their citizens. The powers to be won't stop it now. Power to the people!

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by great one on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:51am

falah wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 9:04pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:47pm:

falah wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 7:39pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:07pm:
Falah how does Australia compare to the level of free speech tolerated under your ideal Islamic society? Would it be fair to describe your take on this as hypocritical and opportunistic?


Can you explain which law Assange or his lawyer have broken in Australian or Islamic law?


Dealing in stolen goods is a crime... why is it acceptable if its a 'journalist'? (I use the term lightly)


What "goods" were stolen?

Has the US Government claimed ownership of the cables? No. They can't because that really would be telling wouldn't it?


Any document with big red print marked  classified or top secret is clearly stolen ... I don't have to know who owns the brand new laptop for sale at the pub for $50 to know that its most likely stolen ... if I was to buy that lap top I would be charged ... as should he be.. he knew where the cables were coming from .. he isn't interested in free speech, he's only interested in himself and building his little empire ... he's a sanctimonious Pratt who kicked to many sleeping dogs and is now in the process of being mauled.... piece by piece.. which is exactly what he deserves

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by pansi1951 on Apr 20th, 2012 at 8:31am
The truth will be revealed!

it might even set you free!

You can't handle the truth!

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by chimera on Apr 20th, 2012 at 9:02am
"National security" was the reason for blocking access to government info., but it was really "Nixon security" that the president was protecting.
[The scandal eventually led to the resignation of Richard Nixon, the President of the United States, on August 9, 1974, the only resignation of a U.S. President. The scandal also resulted in the indictment, trial, conviction and incarceration of 43 people, including dozens of top Nixon administration officials.]


Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by Spot of Borg on Apr 20th, 2012 at 9:06am

Dnarever wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 7:35pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 7:33pm:
But its okay if an ordinary non-lawyer gets on the list and isnt told why.

SOB


No it is a disgrace for anyone to be put on such a list without a good solid and verifiable reason.


Well they SAY that have verifiable reasons but they wont tell you what those reasons are. The reasons according to the news back in 2000 is that you somehow managed to associate with someone else on the list. It is not transparent.

SOB

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by Spot of Borg on Apr 20th, 2012 at 9:07am

falah wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 7:39pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:07pm:
Falah how does Australia compare to the level of free speech tolerated under your ideal Islamic society? Would it be fair to describe your take on this as hypocritical and opportunistic?


Can you explain which law Assange or his lawyer have broken in Australian or Islamic law?


1) it took place in UK
2) I guess australia is involved too because it was her destination
3) nothing to do with islam. whatsoever. Doesnt come into it.

SOB

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by falah on Apr 20th, 2012 at 9:58am

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:51am:
Any document with big red print marked  classified or top secret is clearly stolen ..


Wouldn't stack up in court. For there to be a theft there must be an owner. So far the US has not claimed ownership.



Johnsmith wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:51am:
he isn't interested in free speech, he's only interested in himself and building his little empire


Even if that is true, he is still doing the world a favor in the process.


Johnsmith wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:51am:
... he's a sanctimonious Pratt who kicked to many sleeping dogs and is now in the process of being mauled.... piece by piece.. which is exactly what he deserves


Probably what Richard nixon felt about the people who exposed him.

Politicians must be exposed for what they are!




Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by pansi1951 on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:04am
Jennifer Robinson is back in Sydney. This afternoon she will be asking Nicola Roxon why she was detained and why her name is on the watch list.

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by great one on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:09am

falah wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 9:58am:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:51am:
Any document with big red print marked  classified or top secret is clearly stolen ..


Wouldn't stack up in court. For there to be a theft there must be an owner. So far the US has not claimed ownership.
Disagree, you can be in possession of satolen goods without the law being aware of who they belong to ... every year police across the country auction recovered stolen goods because they can't find the owners ... the people in possession of the goods are still charged with being in possession of stolen goods ...



Johnsmith wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:51am:
he isn't interested in free speech, he's only interested in himself and building his little empire


Even if that is true, he is still doing the world a favor in the process.


Johnsmith wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:51am:
... he's a sanctimonious Pratt who kicked to many sleeping dogs and is now in the process of being mauled.... piece by piece.. which is exactly what he deserves


Probably what Richard nixon felt about the people who exposed him.

Politicians must be exposed for what they are!





Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by MOTR on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:27am

Frances wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 10:04pm:
falah obviously didn't read the articles he linked to in his last post.  The women consented to sex with Assange if he used a condom, but did not consent to sex with him without a condom.  What started off as consensual sex developed into a sexual assault.


That has yet to be proven, Frances. The problem is that he can't defend himself against those charges while the threat of extradition hangs over his head.

I agree that what you are describing is a sexual assault, though one that sounds extremely difficult to prove.


Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by chimera on Apr 20th, 2012 at 12:38pm
David Hicks sat at the airport in Afghanistan and looked like someone who might have wrong thoughts about USA. So he got the slammer and restrictions on free speech back in Oz.
You can tell by looking at this lawyer that she may have un-American thoughts and is lucky she wasn't flown straight to Siberia.

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by pansi1951 on Apr 20th, 2012 at 2:22pm

chimera wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 12:38pm:
David Hicks sat at the airport in Afghanistan and looked like someone who might have wrong thoughts about USA. So he got the slammer and restrictions on free speech back in Oz.
You can tell by looking at this lawyer that she may have un-American thoughts and is lucky she wasn't flown straight to Siberia.


I'm surprised that Geoffrey Robertson QC hasn't been slammed with rape charges yet.

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by chimera on Apr 20th, 2012 at 8:45pm
Jennifer Robinson. Well he nearly got away with it, his voice probably tipped off airport security.

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by pansi1951 on Apr 21st, 2012 at 6:40am
Geoffrey Robertson is the well known Australian human rights lawyer who is also representing Assange. He was on Q&A last week, I missed it though.

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by chimera on Apr 21st, 2012 at 7:00am
What's q&a, is that a militant activity? How much are you involved and who's paying?

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by pansi1951 on Apr 21st, 2012 at 7:22am

chimera wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 7:00am:
What's q&a, is that a militant activity? How much are you involved and who's paying?



I'll give you a clue. Think Maxwell Smart. Who's paying? and what are they paying with?

I know nothink!!!!

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by chimera on Apr 21st, 2012 at 7:37am
File: code name _pansi.
Barcelona, waiter, UK.
The Bombing of Barcelona was a series of Nationalist airstrikes which took place from 16 to 18 March 1938, during the Spanish Civil War.
Action: Franco Airlines updated, inhibited suspect.

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by Spot of Borg on Apr 21st, 2012 at 7:51am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 7:22am:

chimera wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 7:00am:
What's q&a, is that a militant activity? How much are you involved and who's paying?



I'll give you a clue. Think Maxwell Smart. Who's paying? and what are they paying with?

I know nothink!!!!



Haha thats hogans heros

SOB

Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by falah on Apr 21st, 2012 at 10:21am

Frances wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 10:04pm:
falah obviously didn't read the articles he linked to in his last post.  The women consented to sex with Assange if he used a condom, but did not consent to sex with him without a condom.  What started off as consensual sex developed into a sexual assault.




Quote:
From barrister James Catlin: “The women here are near to and over 30 and have international experience, some of it working in Swedish government embassies. There is no suggestion of drugs nor identity concealment. Far from it. Both women boasted of their celebrity connection to Assange after the events that they would now see him destroyed for… You need a law degree to know whether you have been raped or not in Sweden. In the context of such double think, the question of how the Swedish authorities propose to deal with victims who neither saw themselves as such nor acted as such is easily answered: You’re not a Swedish lawyer so you wouldn’t understand anyway. The consent of both women to sex with Assange has been confirmed by prosecutors.”

http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/26123





Quote:
Anna Ardin, described in court documents as “Miss A,” had deleted Twitter messages speaking highly of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, the man she would later accuse of rape, according to Göran Rudling, the editor Consensus Now, a website arguing that laws based on sexual activities need to be consensual to not be considered criminal.

Earlier this week, the Cuban news agencies Granma and Prensa Latina stated that Ardin is a Cuban CIA collaborator who works with Miami-based, U.S. government paid intelligence agencies. They say Ardin is linked to the anti-Cuban terrorist Carlos Aberto Montaner.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/cia-%E2%80%9Choneytrap%E2%80%9D-ardin-deleted-twitter-posts-praising-assange.html



Quote:
One of the women accusing WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange of sex crimes appears to have worked with a group that has connections to the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

James D. Catlin, a lawyer who recently represented Assange, said the sex assault investigation into the WikiLeaks founder is based on claims he didn’t use condoms during sex with two Swedish women.

Swedish prosecutors told AOL News last week that Assange was not wanted for rape as has been reported, but for something called “sex by surprise” or “unexpected sex.”

One accuser, Anna Ardin, may have “ties to the US-financed anti-Castro and anti-communist groups,” according to Israel Shamir and Paul Bennett, writing for CounterPunch.

While in Cuba, Ardin worked with the Las damas de blanco (the Ladies in White), a feminist anti-Castro group.

Professor Michael Seltzer pointed out that the group is led by Carlos Alberto Montaner who is reportedly connected to the CIA.

Shamir and Bennett also describe Ardin as a “leftist” who “published her anti-Castro diatribes (see here and here) in the Swedish-language publication Revista de Asignaturas Cubanas put out by Misceláneas de Cuba.”

Shamir and Bennett noted that Las damas de blanco is partially funded by the US government and also counts Luis Posada Carriles as a supporter.

A declassified 1976 document (.pdf) revealed Posada to be a CIA agent. He has been convicted of terrorist attacks that killed hundreds of people.

Ardin is “a gender equity officer at Uppsula University – who chose to associate with a US funded group openly supported by a convicted terrorist and mass murderer,” FireDogLake’s Kirk James Murphy observed.

In August, Assange told Al-Jazeera that the accusations were “clearly a smear campaign.”

“We have been warned that, for example, the Pentagon is planning on using dirty tricks to destroy our work,” Assange told the Swedish daily newspaper Aftonbladet.

The WikiLeaks founder said he was told to be careful of “sex traps.” Had Assange fallen for one of those traps? “Maybe. Maybe not,” he said.

Catlin observed that both Ardin and Sofia Wilén, the second accuser, sent SMS messages and tweets boasting of their conquests following the alleged “rapes.”

“In the case of Ardin it is clear that she has thrown a party in Assange’s honour at her flat after the ‘crime’ and tweeted to her followers that she is with the ‘the world’s coolest smartest people, it’s amazing!’” he wrote.

“The exact content of Wilén’s mobile phone texts is not yet known but their bragging and exculpatory character has been confirmed by Swedish prosecutors. Niether Wilén’s nor Ardin’s texts complain of rape,” Catlin said.

Ardin has also published a seven step guide on how to get revenge on cheating boyfriends.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/06/assange-rape-accuser-cia-ties/


Title: Re: Lawyer put on inhibited fly list
Post by pansi1951 on Apr 21st, 2012 at 10:29am
One of the women accusing WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange of sex crimes appears to have worked with a group that has connections to the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).



Really, how very surprising NOT!

Dominique Strauss-Kahn of the IMF

It is a favourite ploy by the US to set people up on sex charges. It's getting tiresome.


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