I dunno what the exact policy is. I doubt most of the whingers do either. Thing is though that segregating migrants into different communities where they dont assimilate into our culture doesnt seem like a very good idea.

Sure I agree we should accept immigrants into our culture. When I was a kid I lived in other countries and wherever we went we were expected to learn @ least enough of the language to get by and we were a bit over-the-top i think in celebrating whatever holidays they had. Like moon festivals and such.

I dont think we as Aussies need to be over-the-top and make them celebrate our holidays. They have to do that "test" now about aussie culture. The best way to assimilate them would be to let them be among us instead of segregating them.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

The best way to assimilate them would be to let them be among us instead of segregating them.

But multiculturalism is not assimilation.  Assimilation means that immigrants are expected to become the same as everyone else and means probable loss of an immigrant's cultural and ethnic identity.  Under multiculturalisn, immigrants' cultural and ethnic identities are retained, and even celebrated.

There is a rather good description of what multiculturalism is in the Australian context in the Department of Immigration and Citizenship's website:


Quote:

In a descriptive sense multicultural is simply a term which describes the cultural and ethnic diversity of contemporary Australia. We are, and will remain, a multicultural society. As a public policy multiculturalism encompasses government measures designed to respond to that diversity. It plays no part in migrant selection. It is a policy for managing the consequences of cultural diversity in the interests of the individual and society as a whole. The Commonwealth Government has identified three dimensions of multicultural policy: cultural identity: the right of all Australians, within carefully defined limits, to express and share their individual cultural heritage, including their language and religion; social justice: the right of all Australians to equality of treatment and opportunity, and the removal of barriers of race, ethnicity, culture, religion, language, gender or place of birth; and economic efficiency: the need to maintain, develop and utilize effectively the skills and talents of all Australians, regardless of background. These dimensions of multiculturalism are expressed in the eight goals articulated in the National Agenda (see chapter one). They apply equally to all Australians, whether Aboriginal, Anglo-Celtic or non-English speaking background; and whether they were born in Australia or overseas. There are also limits to Australian multiculturalism. These may be summarized as follows: multicultural policies are based upon the premises that all Australians should have an overriding and unifying commitment to Australia, to its interests and future first and foremost; multicultural policies require all Australians to accept the basic structures and principles of Australian society - the Constitution and the rule of law, tolerance and equality, Parliamentary democracy, freedom of speech and religion, English as the national language and equality of the sexes; and multicultural policies impose obligations as well as conferring rights: the right to express one's own culture and beliefs involves a reciprocal responsibility to accept the right of others to express their views and values. As a necessary response to the reality of Australia's cultural diversity, multicultural policies aim to realize a better Australia characterized by an enhanced degree of social justice and economic efficiency.

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/multicultural/agenda/agenda89/whatismu.htm

I note that you take it as a foregone conculsion that we must take hundreds of thousands of migrants each year from cultures sometimes irreconcilably opposed to our own. 

About time every Australian learnt an Aboriginal languages.

Speak Aboriginal or Bugger Off !

____ wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 12:24pm:

About time every Australian learnt an Aboriginal languages. Speak Aboriginal or Bugger Off !

So true!!

... wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

I note that you take it as a foregone conculsion that we must take hundreds of thousands of migrants each year from cultures sometimes irreconcilably opposed to our own.

Me? Please dont get semantic with me. I use the wrong words sometimes but the overall gist of my post was that i disagree with multiculturalism if it means segregated groups all over the place all living in thier own little cultures but I dont mind getting more aussies. I didnt mention the amount but now you mention it I need to think about it because i dont really have an opinion on that yet.

SOB

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 12:25pm:

____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:24pm: About time every Australian learnt an Aboriginal languages. Speak Aboriginal or Bugger Off ! So true!!

To what end? 

... wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 12:28pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:25pm: ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:24pm: About time every Australian learnt an Aboriginal languages. Speak Aboriginal or Bugger Off ! So true!! To what end?

If I had a dollar for every time I have heard an immigrant Australian say 'these damn immigrants should learn to speak our language or rack off' etc..

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 12:34pm:

... wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:28pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:25pm: ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:24pm: About time every Australian learnt an Aboriginal languages. Speak Aboriginal or Bugger Off ! So true!! To what end?  If I had a dollar for every time I have heard an immigrant Australian say 'these damn immigrants should learn to speak our language or rack off' etc..

Ok.
But that wasn't the question.  What's the point of forcing everybody to learn a language that is a) so incomplete as to be useless b) not spoken anywhere else.

How do you say "deoxyribonucleic acid" in pitjantjatjarra? 

... wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 12:37pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:34pm: ... wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:28pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:25pm: ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:24pm: About time every Australian learnt an Aboriginal languages. Speak Aboriginal or Bugger Off ! So true!! To what end?  If I had a dollar for every time I have heard an immigrant Australian say 'these damn immigrants should learn to speak our language or rack off' etc.. Ok. But that wasn't the question.  What's the point of forcing everybody to learn a language that is a) so incomplete as to be useless b) not spoken widely. How do you say "deoxyribonucleic acid" in pitjantjatjarra?

Because its their homeland.
Peoples argument for making immigrants speak english is usually because 'its our country, do what we do' (paraphrasing)

Shame on harlots who use immigration and race as a weapon of economic war and corruption against others...shame on them for their crimes, for selling out our economic and employment rights - harlots, liars, thugs, thieves, communists, criminals, murderers.
Shame...Shame..,.Shame... 8-)

... wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 12:37pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:34pm: ... wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:28pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:25pm: ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:24pm: About time every Australian learnt an Aboriginal languages. Speak Aboriginal or Bugger Off ! So true!! To what end?  If I had a dollar for every time I have heard an immigrant Australian say 'these damn immigrants should learn to speak our language or rack off' etc.. Ok. But that wasn't the question.  What's the point of forcing everybody to learn a language that is a) so incomplete as to be useless b) not spoken anywhere else. How do you say "deoxyribonucleic acid" in pitjantjatjarra?

So OK dickhead if you don't want to use aboriginal language what are you going to do with all the aboriginal words that we use everyday now?

Parramatta what would you call that now, what about a kangaroo, what would you call Wagga Wagga

wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 2:05pm:

... wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:37pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:34pm: ... wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:28pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:25pm: ____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:24pm: About time every Australian learnt an Aboriginal languages. Speak Aboriginal or Bugger Off ! So true!! To what end?  If I had a dollar for every time I have heard an immigrant Australian say 'these damn immigrants should learn to speak our language or rack off' etc.. Ok. But that wasn't the question.  What's the point of forcing everybody to learn a language that is a) so incomplete as to be useless b) not spoken anywhere else. How do you say "deoxyribonucleic acid" in pitjantjatjarra?  So OK dickhead if you don't want to use aboriginal language what are you going to do with all the aboriginal words that we use everyday now? Parramatta what would you call that now, what about a kangaroo, what would you call Wagga Wagga

Really?  If you're going to open with an insult, you'd best have a good argument to follow.   Sadly, the emptiness of your argument reflects the emptiness of your head.

You see, I can refer to the name of a place without being fluent in the language. 

I don't speak french, but I can say the name of the city "bordeaux". 
I don't speak mexican, but I can refer to "mt popcatepetl"

Name changes are not exactly unprecedented either.  Funny that the monolith formerly known as Ayers rock should still be understood now that it is referred to as Uluru.  But who dam cares - this ain't about refusing to use a word cos it's from another language, the suggestion was to force everyone to start speaking a useless language.

Now since words are "made" out of necessity, aboriginal languages (of which there are hundreds) don't have words for things which they had no concept of.  They migth have 100 words for sand, or spinifex, but no words for..well, just about everything apart from sand and spinifex. 

You'll also be well aware that language exists only so far as it can be understood.  English is widely spoken and understood, so it is useful in a wide range of situtaions.  Obscure languages spoken by 100 people, all from the same area are incredibly limited in utility.  So limited as to be useless in 99.9999% of situtaions.

So the question stands - what point is there, in first creating a language (as no existing aboriginal language has anywhere near enough content to be useful in the modern world) just so that we can force everyone to learn it?

Has not the European leaders given speeches saying that multi-cultural experiment there has been a failure?

I personally hate racism in all forms but i think one of the best way to avoid race and cultural fighting is to not mix unsuitable cultures together.

Then there is not tension between them in the same place, if you understand me.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 2:20pm:

I personally hate racism in all forms but i think one of the best way to avoid race and cultural fighting is to not mix unsuitable cultures together. Then there is not tension between them in the same place, if you understand me.

Why you complain when the nazis did it then?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 2:22pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 2:20pm: I personally hate racism in all forms but i think one of the best way to avoid race and cultural fighting is to not mix unsuitable cultures together. Then there is not tension between them in the same place, if you understand me. Why you complain when the nazis did it then?

I "complain" that the Nazis murdered 6 MILLION people.
That is my complaining there.

I was walking through The Rocks once, and an elderly woman leaning on her fence shouted out at me "Go back where you came from".  If i was feeling like an argument, I could have told her that I was Australian and therefore was already where I had come from, but I just kept on walking.  Sometimes I think about that and wonder where she actually thought I came from.....

Frances wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

I was walking through The Rocks once, and an elderly woman leaning on her fence shouted out at me "Go back where you came from".  If i was feeling like an argument, I could have told her that I was Australian and therefore was already where I had come from, but I just kept on walking.  Sometimes I think about that and wonder where she actually thought I came from.....

what do you look like?
Was she aborigine and you were white person with blondes hair?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 2:22pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 2:20pm: I personally hate racism in all forms but i think one of the best way to avoid race and cultural fighting is to not mix unsuitable cultures together. Then there is not tension between them in the same place, if you understand me. Why you complain when the nazis did it then? I "complain" that the Nazis murdered 6 MILLION people. That is my complaining there.

Yeah but to segregate you gotta kill a few bad apples, israel knows this quite well.

Frances wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

I was walking through The Rocks once, and an elderly woman leaning on her fence shouted out at me "Go back where you came from".  If i was feeling like an argument, I could have told her that I was Australian and therefore was already where I had come from, but I just kept on walking.  Sometimes I think about that and wonder where she actually thought I came from.....

An evolutionist like me would take a dump and start throwing it at her

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 2:24pm:

Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 2:23pm: I was walking through The Rocks once, and an elderly woman leaning on her fence shouted out at me "Go back where you came from".  If i was feeling like an argument, I could have told her that I was Australian and therefore was already where I had come from, but I just kept on walking.  Sometimes I think about that and wonder where she actually thought I came from..... what do you look like? Was she aborigine and you were white person with blondes hair?

No, she was a white Australian, presumably of Anglo-Saxon descent and, I would guess, in her mid eighties.  As for me, I'm tall, slim, with dark brown hair and dark brown eyes.  I can't think of anything about my appearance that would make anyone think I belong to any particular ethnic group although, for some reason, I do get mistaken for a tourist from time to time....

____ wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 12:24pm:

About time every Australian learnt an Aboriginal languages. Speak Aboriginal or Bugger Off !

How many Aboriginals today can speak one of their languages? Should those who cannot bugger off as well?

Although, maybe you are onto something. From now on speaking aboriginal should be a requirement for anyone claiming special government assistance because they are Aboriginal.

Aboriginal: "I am proud of my culture and hurt by what you white fellas have done to me. Give me money!"
Centrelink: "Can you speak an aboriginal language?"
Aboriginal: "No"
Centrelink: "Bugger off"   

Frances wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 2:24pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 2:23pm: I was walking through The Rocks once, and an elderly woman leaning on her fence shouted out at me "Go back where you came from".  If i was feeling like an argument, I could have told her that I was Australian and therefore was already where I had come from, but I just kept on walking.  Sometimes I think about that and wonder where she actually thought I came from..... what do you look like? Was she aborigine and you were white person with blondes hair? No, she was a white Australian, presumably of Anglo-Saxon descent and, I would guess, in her mid eighties.  As for me, I'm tall, slim, with dark brown hair and dark brown eyes.  I can't think of anything about my appearance that would make anyone think I belong to any particular ethnic group although, for some reason, I do get mistaken for a tourist from time to time....

Mistaken for a tourist from where? Ireland or Mexico?

Quantum wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

____ wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:24pm: About time every Australian learnt an Aboriginal languages. Speak Aboriginal or Bugger Off ! How many Aboriginals today can speak one of their languages? Should those who cannot bugger off as well? Although, maybe you are onto something. From now on speaking aboriginal should be a requirement for anyone claiming special government assistance because they are Aboriginal. Aboriginal: "I am proud of my culture and hurt by what you white fellas have done to me. Give me money!" Centrelink: "Can you speak an aboriginal language?" Aboriginal: "No" Centrelink: "Bugger off"

Good one.

How about this:

Client: "I am proud of my culture and hurt by what you have done to me. Give me money!"
Centrelink: "Have you ever functioned productively in this society?"
Client: "Er... no."
Centrelink: "Bugger off"   

Soren wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 4:10pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 2:24pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 2:23pm: I was walking through The Rocks once, and an elderly woman leaning on her fence shouted out at me "Go back where you came from".  If i was feeling like an argument, I could have told her that I was Australian and therefore was already where I had come from, but I just kept on walking.  Sometimes I think about that and wonder where she actually thought I came from..... what do you look like? Was she aborigine and you were white person with blondes hair? No, she was a white Australian, presumably of Anglo-Saxon descent and, I would guess, in her mid eighties.  As for me, I'm tall, slim, with dark brown hair and dark brown eyes.  I can't think of anything about my appearance that would make anyone think I belong to any particular ethnic group although, for some reason, I do get mistaken for a tourist from time to time.... Mistaken for a tourist from where? Ireland or Mexico?

(Because racist Soren hates Irish less than Mexicans)

Frances wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

I was walking through The Rocks once, and an elderly woman leaning on her fence shouted out at me "Go back where you came from".  If i was feeling like an argument, I could have told her that I was Australian and therefore was already where I had come from, but I just kept on walking.  Sometimes I think about that and wonder where she actually thought I came from.....

One of my earliest memories is of sitting with my mother at a picnic table near the beach with my mother, and carload of drive past yelling at "bugger off you wogs"

Disturbing enough to be mistaken for a person from an ethnic minority and abused for it on one occasion. It must be awful for people who have to face that all the time because they actually are from an ethnic minority.

It is odd how some people seem to lack empathy for other people. You have to wonder what kind of parents they had that raised such jerks.

falah wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 8:40pm:

It is odd how some people seem to lack empathy for other people. You have to wonder what kind of parents they had that raised such jerks.

Yeah, I am wondering just that about you, Mustafalah:


falah wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 8:33pm:

(Because racist Soren hates Irish less than Mexicans)

It takes a Turk, what?

falah wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 8:40pm:

Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 2:23pm: I was walking through The Rocks once, and an elderly woman leaning on her fence shouted out at me "Go back where you came from".  If i was feeling like an argument, I could have told her that I was Australian and therefore was already where I had come from, but I just kept on walking.  Sometimes I think about that and wonder where she actually thought I came from..... One of my earliest memories is of sitting with my mother at a picnic table near the beach with my mother, and carload of drive past yelling at "bugger off you wogs" Disturbing enough to be mistaken for a person from an ethnic minority and abused for it on one occasion. It must be awful for people who have to face that all the time because they actually are from an ethnic minority. It is odd how some people seem to lack empathy for other people. You have to wonder what kind of parents they had that raised such jerks.

So?  Lots of dickheads, young punks, like to yell stuff at pedestrians or cyclists as they drive past. Stupid, I know, and you wonder if it really makes them feel tuff, but my point is that these dickheads just yell for the sake of yelling.  If you're visibly different, at least they have something to yell instead of just "blaaaaaahhh!!!"  Either way, it's just noise. 

Shurely shome mishtake, what?

... wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 9:48pm:

falah wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 8:40pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 2:23pm: I was walking through The Rocks once, and an elderly woman leaning on her fence shouted out at me "Go back where you came from".  If i was feeling like an argument, I could have told her that I was Australian and therefore was already where I had come from, but I just kept on walking.  Sometimes I think about that and wonder where she actually thought I came from..... One of my earliest memories is of sitting with my mother at a picnic table near the beach with my mother, and carload of drive past yelling at "bugger off you wogs" Disturbing enough to be mistaken for a person from an ethnic minority and abused for it on one occasion. It must be awful for people who have to face that all the time because they actually are from an ethnic minority. It is odd how some people seem to lack empathy for other people. You have to wonder what kind of parents they had that raised such jerks. So?  Lots of dickheads, young punks, like to yell stuff at pedestrians or cyclists as they drive past. Stupid, I know, and you wonder if it really makes them feel tuff, but my point is that these dickheads just yell for the sake of yelling.  If you're visibly different, at least they have something to yell instead of just "blaaaaaahhh!!!"  Either way, it's just noise.

But if it happened everyday?

I had an African-American client a few years ago, and she said that she never had copped so much racial abuse in her life before coming to Australia - and she was only here for a few days.

falah wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 10:53pm:

... wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 9:48pm: falah wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 8:40pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 2:23pm: I was walking through The Rocks once, and an elderly woman leaning on her fence shouted out at me "Go back where you came from".  If i was feeling like an argument, I could have told her that I was Australian and therefore was already where I had come from, but I just kept on walking.  Sometimes I think about that and wonder where she actually thought I came from..... One of my earliest memories is of sitting with my mother at a picnic table near the beach with my mother, and carload of drive past yelling at "bugger off you wogs" Disturbing enough to be mistaken for a person from an ethnic minority and abused for it on one occasion. It must be awful for people who have to face that all the time because they actually are from an ethnic minority. It is odd how some people seem to lack empathy for other people. You have to wonder what kind of parents they had that raised such jerks. So?  Lots of dickheads, young punks, like to yell stuff at pedestrians or cyclists as they drive past. Stupid, I know, and you wonder if it really makes them feel tuff, but my point is that these dickheads just yell for the sake of yelling.  If you're visibly different, at least they have something to yell instead of just "blaaaaaahhh!!!"  Either way, it's just noise.  But if it happened everyday? I had an African-American client a few years ago, and she said that she never had copped so much racial abuse in her life before coming to Australia - and she was only here for a few days.

There is no undertone of bigotry in this country, just ask tolerator, matty, and the rest of the right wing nuts. They are all just mis understood youth and the rest should piss off back to there own country or have their boats sunk before they can get here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKG76HF24_k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYSd7Ux_l8E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB-wguopzck

So- segregation - a good thing?

SOB

Multiculturalism is nothing more then Anti-White.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 8:26am:

So- segregation - a good thing? SOB

Well it works

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 8:40am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:26am: So- segregation - a good thing? SOB Well it works

They eventually got rid of it in South Africa though, didn't they?

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 8:36am:

Multiculturalism is nothing more then Anti-White.

How is that?

SOB

Frances wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 9:30am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:40am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:26am: So- segregation - a good thing? SOB Well it works They eventually got rid of it in South Africa though, didn't they?

They did.  It all seems to be going well.  I mean, the country has just been on the up and up ever since...

falah wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 10:53pm:

... wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 9:48pm: falah wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 8:40pm: Frances wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 2:23pm: I was walking through The Rocks once, and an elderly woman leaning on her fence shouted out at me "Go back where you came from".  If i was feeling like an argument, I could have told her that I was Australian and therefore was already where I had come from, but I just kept on walking.  Sometimes I think about that and wonder where she actually thought I came from..... One of my earliest memories is of sitting with my mother at a picnic table near the beach with my mother, and carload of drive past yelling at "bugger off you wogs" Disturbing enough to be mistaken for a person from an ethnic minority and abused for it on one occasion. It must be awful for people who have to face that all the time because they actually are from an ethnic minority. It is odd how some people seem to lack empathy for other people. You have to wonder what kind of parents they had that raised such jerks. So?  Lots of dickheads, young punks, like to yell stuff at pedestrians or cyclists as they drive past. Stupid, I know, and you wonder if it really makes them feel tuff, but my point is that these dickheads just yell for the sake of yelling.  If you're visibly different, at least they have something to yell instead of just "blaaaaaahhh!!!"  Either way, it's just noise.  But if it happened everyday? I had an African-American client a few years ago, and she said that she never had copped so much racial abuse in her life before coming to Australia - and she was only here for a few days.

You lie through your teeth.

Frances wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 9:30am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:40am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:26am: So- segregation - a good thing? SOB Well it works They eventually got rid of it in South Africa though, didn't they?

Er... and look what happened.

South Africa suffers from relatively heavy overall regulation burden compared to developed countries. State ownership and interference impose high barriers to entry in many areas.[11] The unemployment rate is very high at over 25%, and the poor have limited access to economic opportunities and basic services.[12] Restrictive labour regulations have contributed to the unemployment malaise.[13]

The high levels of unemployment and inequality are considered by the government and most South Africans to be the most salient economic problems facing the country.[14] These issues, and others linked to them such as crime, have in turn hurt investment and growth, consequently having a negative feedback effect on employment.[14] Crime is considered a major or very severe constraint on investment by 30% of enterprises in South Africa, putting crime among the four most frequently mentioned constraints.[15]

Wiki

falah wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 10:53pm:

I had an African-American client a few years ago, and she said that she never had copped so much racial abuse in her life before coming to Australia - and she was only here for a few days.

I had a PNG client just yesterday saying how complementary everybody is about the bone through his nose. It never gets so much attention back home. He was beaming about it.

Soren wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 10:04am:

falah wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 10:53pm: I had an African-American client a few years ago, and she said that she never had copped so much racial abuse in her life before coming to Australia - and she was only here for a few days. I had a PNG client just yesterday saying how complementary everybody is about the bone through his nose. It never gets so much attention back home. He was beaming about it.

Heh. Some ppl whose first language isnt english dont get our "tones" and dont understand sarcasm or fakeness.

SOB

____ wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 12:24pm:

About time every Australian learnt an Aboriginal languages. Speak Aboriginal or Bugger Off !

Why?
Learning Aztec would be just as useful.

We don't have a culture.
Except apparently deference to everyone else's.
We can't have Christmas because it is offensive to non-christians.
We had a piece the other day about Anzac Day being offensive to someone or other.
So if I go to another country do they worry about offending me...I don't think so.

tonegunman1 wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 2:19pm:

We don't have a culture. Except apparently deference to everyone else's. We can't have Christmas because it is offensive to non-christians. We had a piece the other day about Anzac Day being offensive to someone or other. So if I go to another country do they worry about offending me...I don't think so.

We do have culture its just not so evident to us because we are subjective. To other ppl in the world they can see it. As for xmas - that isnt australian. Not sure what the hullabaloo is about anzac day but i tell you what calling them "anzac cookies" pisses me right off.

SOB

I bet matty, chicky, andrei, tolerator, blackadder and the rest of the right wingers on here think like this


Quote:

for the very existence of our White Nation of people.

But they wouldn't have the guts to men up to it, not like this bloke

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-14/us-nazi-becomes-lobbyist-for-first-time/39...

It just goes to show that matty and all of his mates on here are like the barber's cat "All piss and wind."

Link is dead.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 8:17am:

Link is dead.

Doesnt have anything to do with mutliculturalism in australia anyway. Do we have nazis? I mean real nazis here? Never seen them in the news having rallys and things like UK and america . . . .

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 8:25am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 8:17am: Link is dead. Doesnt have anything to do with mutliculturalism in australia anyway. Do we have nazis? I mean real nazis here? Never seen them in the news having rallys and things like UK and america . . . . SOB

Well some people need to start understanding that. Ive lost count on the amount of times Ive been called a Nazi on this site. Ive never in my life shaved my head, i don't have any Nazi memorabilia. but i have done some research into the reasons behind the great world wars both sides. And Hitler was not the crazed killer our education system teaches us. Only thing he is guilty of is trying to keep his country together, we fought 2 wars against them. won both wars. and in the end(Today) Germany is back in economic control of Europe. only difference is that a different group of people or should i say banks, are in control. And calling a group of people racist because of the views they hold, is like walking up to an old friend you haven't seen in years and the first thing that comes out of your mouth is "Your Bald" Like hey haven't you noticed..

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 8:26am:

So- segregation - a good thing? SOB

Are you for complete globalisation then, the abolishing of every possible barrier between countries, regions, ethnicities?

No more land rights for gay whales, as far as you are concerned? Absolutely no trade and cultural barriers to movements of capital, goods, services and labour?

Good on you.


Or do you really just mean it one way? Block everything western (especially American) but allow everything non-western, especially if it is not open, free and democratic (dreaded western concepts).

wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 9:22pm:

I bet matty, chicky, andrei, tolerator, blackadder and the rest of the right wingers on here think like this Quote: for the very existence of our White Nation of people. But they wouldn't have the guts to men up to it, not like this bloke http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-14/us-nazi-becomes-lobbyist-for-first-time/39... It just goes to show that matty and all of his mates on here are like the barber's cat "All piss and wind."

So any white person who expresses any kind of pride in their heritage is a "nazi"?  Are you really so stupid as to believe that the entire nazi ideology had no other features other than white supremacy?  Who did they go to war against?  Was it blacks?  No?  What about Asians?  No..they allied with them.  What about beaners?  Naaaa...hmm odd that an ideology based entirely on white supremacy shoudl war with only other whites.  Seems kinda...counterproductive.

I suppose if you can conflate those two, you'd also conflate an african drumming troupe with the hutu militia?  Perhaps the people down at the local Bosnian club are just using their bingo nights as cover for their plot to unleash another round of ethnic cleansing?

Soren wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 9:49am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:26am: So- segregation - a good thing? SOB Are you for compolete globalisation then, the aboloshing of every possible barrier between countries, regions, ethnicities? No more land rights for gay whales, as far as you are concerened? ABsolutely no trade and cultural barriers to movements of capital, goods, services and labour? Good on you. Or do you really just mean it one way? Block everything western (especially American) but allow everything non-western, especially if it is not open, free and democratic (dreaded western concepts).

Yeah. Way to take me completely out of context mate. From 1 question no less. Hahahahha. DH.

I am talking (as the title of the thread implies) about australia. Within australia i dont think there should be any segregation. within other countries they can do what they want but should prolly keep their own cultures.

NOT that I was saying that with my question. My question was to get this thread back on topic and was neutral.

SOB

multiculturalism is segregation.

We invite people from all over the world to come here and bring their culture with them. The easiest way to do this is by residing in areas were similar cultures abound. Most of our big cities have areas where one particular culture is prominent. But alot of these are old, large communities.

So many different people, from all over, trying to fit in now.

I know we are a country founded on multiculture, but in the past people came to forge a new country, there was work and delevlopment and opportunity, in the cities and on the land.

Now it seems we bring people in becuase we have to maintain a certain world recognised program or we need more people beacuse we need to grow and expand for economic reasons.

Cultures clash, always have, always will.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 8:56am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 8:25am: BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 8:17am: Link is dead. Doesnt have anything to do with mutliculturalism in australia anyway. Do we have nazis? I mean real nazis here? Never seen them in the news having rallys and things like UK and america . . . . SOB Well some people need to start understanding that. Ive lost count on the amount of times Ive been called a Nazi on this site. Ive never in my life shaved my head

Oh. That settles it then.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 9:59am:

Soren wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 9:49am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:26am: So- segregation - a good thing? SOB Are you for compolete globalisation then, the aboloshing of every possible barrier between countries, regions, ethnicities? No more land rights for gay whales, as far as you are concerened? ABsolutely no trade and cultural barriers to movements of capital, goods, services and labour? Good on you. Or do you really just mean it one way? Block everything western (especially American) but allow everything non-western, especially if it is not open, free and democratic (dreaded western concepts). Yeah. Way to take me completely out of context mate. From 1 question no less. Hahahahha. DH. I am talking (as the title of the thread implies) about australia. Within australia i dont think there should be any segregation. within other countries they can do what they want but should prolly keep their own cultures. NOT that I was saying that with my question. My question was to get this thread back on topic and was neutral. SOB

What is acceptable grounds for segregation of people from other countries (ie selective, discriminatory  migration policy)?

The topic is multiculturalism = the mixing of different cultures that come from elsewhere with local culture and customs.

Soren wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 10:45am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 9:59am: Soren wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 9:49am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:26am: So- segregation - a good thing? SOB Are you for compolete globalisation then, the aboloshing of every possible barrier between countries, regions, ethnicities? No more land rights for gay whales, as far as you are concerened? ABsolutely no trade and cultural barriers to movements of capital, goods, services and labour? Good on you. Or do you really just mean it one way? Block everything western (especially American) but allow everything non-western, especially if it is not open, free and democratic (dreaded western concepts). Yeah. Way to take me completely out of context mate. From 1 question no less. Hahahahha. DH. I am talking (as the title of the thread implies) about australia. Within australia i dont think there should be any segregation. within other countries they can do what they want but should prolly keep their own cultures. NOT that I was saying that with my question. My question was to get this thread back on topic and was neutral. SOB What is acceptable grounds for segregation of people from other countries (ie selective, discriminatory  migration policy)? The topic is multiculturalism = the mixing of different cultures that come from elsewhere with local culture and customs.

Uhhh. Not sure of your question there. Especially since I already said I disagree with the segregation within australia.

As for the topic yeah I know what the friggin topic is i started it. I gather from the 2nd post in the thread though that multiculturalism policy is to segregate these migrants into their own little cultures not mix them in. This I am opposed to. This is the cause of all the strife between "cultures" within australia in my opinion. Mixing is fine. Keeping it separate is not.

SOB

FriYAY wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

multiculturalism is segregation.

All Jewed out in Caulfield
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/all-jewed-out-in-caulfield-20091104-hxzl.html




Quote:

MIGRATION is helping to bolster non-Christian religious enclaves in some Melbourne suburbs, Census figures show... ...Traditional areas of Judaism like Caulfield are becoming more Jewish... ...At the same time, mainstream Christian faiths like Catholics and Anglicans are losing adherents, according to a Herald Sun analysis of 2006 Census data... ...The suburb with the biggest concentration of residents from a non-Christian religion is Caulfield North, with 43.6 per cent identifying as Jewish in the last Census. :o The figure a decade ago was 39 per cent. In neighbouring Caulfield and Caulfield South, the Jewish population is 39 per cent. For the Orthodox Jewish Marom family, who migrated from Israel via New Zealand, Caulfield has always felt like home. "I like going around the streets and seeing other Jews around," said Nitza Marom. "I like the middle-class feel . . . it's a beautiful place, close to the beach, close to the city."... http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/migration-boosts-non-christian-religions/story-e6frf7kx-1111115673060

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 10:55am:

Soren wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 10:45am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 9:59am: Soren wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 9:49am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 8:26am: So- segregation - a good thing? SOB Are you for compolete globalisation then, the aboloshing of every possible barrier between countries, regions, ethnicities? No more land rights for gay whales, as far as you are concerened? ABsolutely no trade and cultural barriers to movements of capital, goods, services and labour? Good on you. Or do you really just mean it one way? Block everything western (especially American) but allow everything non-western, especially if it is not open, free and democratic (dreaded western concepts). Yeah. Way to take me completely out of context mate. From 1 question no less. Hahahahha. DH. I am talking (as the title of the thread implies) about australia. Within australia i dont think there should be any segregation. within other countries they can do what they want but should prolly keep their own cultures. NOT that I was saying that with my question. My question was to get this thread back on topic and was neutral. SOB What is acceptable grounds for segregation of people from other countries (ie selective, discriminatory  migration policy)? The topic is multiculturalism = the mixing of different cultures that come from elsewhere with local culture and customs. Uhhh. Not sure of your question there. Especially since I already said I disagree with the segregation within australia. As for the topic yeah I know what the friggin topic is i started it. I gather from the 2nd post in the thread though that multiculturalism policy is to segregate these migrants into their own little cultures not mix them in. This I am opposed to. This is the cause of all the strife between "cultures" within australia in my opinion. Mixing is fine. Keeping it separate is not. SOB

Mixing is called integration (to merge, unify, fuse together). Separation is called multiculturalism (multi=many cultures, way of life, customs, values).

SO what is the friggin' topic, then? Do we want other cultures in this country if they don't want to integrate? No. But that means we don't want multiculturalism.

Well I wasnt sure @ the beginning when I started the topic is why i asked a question. Now I think I am opposed to multiculturalism. As for your semantics lesson you can stick it where the sun dont shine (or maybe it does).

SOB

It was a lesson in etymology...

There needn't be friction within multiculturalism, Spot. We need to recognise our shared traits and celebrate them while enjoying the best things other cultures have to offer. It's possible for multiculturalism to work, though there will always need to be integration as well.

It's not as black and white as cultural integration vs multiculturalism.

Several European leaders have said Multiculturalism has failed in that continent.

That is where you see the worst parts of this experiment.

Look at Paris - sometimes it is different to see how it is Paris or Beirut.

Multiculturalism is not about segregation into groups, it is about embracing our ethnic and cultural diversity.  There is nothing wrong with insisting upon a core area of common values, but enforcing conformity denies people their identity and self esteem, and threatens alienation and division.

There is no reason why we cannot celebrate our differences within a framework of shared values.  Different cultures can coexist.  We do not all have to be the same shade of grey....

Frances wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 12:15pm:

Multiculturalism is not about segregation into groups, it is about embracing our ethnic and cultural diversity.  There is nothing wrong with insisting upon a core area of common values, but enforcing conformity denies people their identity and self esteem, and threatens alienation and division. There is no reason why we cannot celebrate our differences within a framework of shared values.  Different cultures can coexist.  We do not all have to be the same shade of grey....

It is not forcing conformity to not stick them in their own little groups to live just like they did in their old home.

SOB

So you've stumbled upon a major and inevitable  drawback of mulitculturalism - conflict.

That'd be OK if the benefits outweighed it...but who among you can name a benefit other than "different types of food"?

... wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 12:23pm:

but who among you can name a benefit other than "different types of food"?

If there weren't any non-English speaking migrants I might still be single....

;)

Frances wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 12:28pm:

... wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 12:23pm: but who among you can name a benefit other than "different types of food"? If there weren't any non-English speaking migrants I might still be single.... ;)

Ahhh but a non-multicultural society doesn't mean their is a complete absence of foreigners.  Japan is "monocultural" yet plenty of honkies live there - just not enough to artifically alter the demographics and culture of the entire country.  They like their way of life, and see it as worthy of being preserved. 

Frances wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 12:28pm:

... wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 12:23pm: but who among you can name a benefit other than "different types of food"? If there weren't any non-English speaking migrants I might still be single.... ;)

The request was for effects other than conflicts...
::)

Frances wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 12:15pm:

Multiculturalism is not about segregation into groups, it is about embracing our ethnic and cultural diversity.  There is nothing wrong with insisting upon a core area of common values, but enforcing conformity denies people their identity and self esteem, and threatens alienation and division. There is no reason why we cannot celebrate our differences within a framework of shared values.  Different cultures can coexist.  We do not all have to be the same shade of grey....

What are the shared, core values of the host culture that are not sacrificed to 'diversity' and newcomers' 'self-esteem'?

Remember, these newcomers are no longer transported here against their will but come because they want to. Wanting to come here means they understandi what this place is like and what its values are. Yet many newcomers do not seem to want to acknowledge, respect and adopt the culture into which they come with their eyes open.