An Iranian author has claimed Leonardo Da Vinci was a muslim.

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Abu-Falah do you think Da Vinci was a muslim?

If they can claim Da Vinci as one of theirs, they'll be effectively doubling tripling quadrupling infinitely increasing the scientific output of the entire muslim world in 1 fell swoop.

... wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 5:16pm:

If they can claim Da Vinci as one of theirs, they'll be effectively doubling tripling quadrupling infinitely increasing the scientific output of the entire muslim world in 1 fell swoop.

Clearly you dont know much about Muslim history

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 5:19pm:

... wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 5:16pm: If they can claim Da Vinci as one of theirs, they'll be effectively doubling tripling quadrupling infinitely increasing the scientific output of the entire muslim world in 1 fell swoop. Clearly you dont know much about Muslims rewriting history

Fixed it for you

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 5:19pm:

... wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 5:16pm: If they can claim Da Vinci as one of theirs, they'll be effectively doubling tripling quadrupling infinitely increasing the scientific output of the entire muslim world in 1 fell swoop. Clearly you dont know much about Muslim history

*sigh*

this has been done a million times before.  yes, muslims did make some scientific dsicoveries once upon a time.  But they didn't go on with it...they've now been in the dark ages for almost 800 years, and no signs of light on the horizon.

... wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 5:22pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 5:19pm: ... wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 5:16pm: If they can claim Da Vinci as one of theirs, they'll be effectively doubling tripling quadrupling infinitely increasing the scientific output of the entire muslim world in 1 fell swoop. Clearly you dont know much about Muslim history *sigh* this has been done a million times before.  yes, muslims did make some scientific dsicoveries once upon a time.  But they didn't go on with it...they've now been in the dark ages for almost 800 years, and no signs of light on the horizon.

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Puppet where is the great Islamic contribution?

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:07pm:

Puppet where is the great Islamic contribution?

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Astrolabes     Brass astrolabe by Muhammad al-Fazari in the 8th century.[1]     Earliest surviving astrolabe in 315 AH (927-928 CE).     Mechanical geared astrolabe by Ibn Samh (c. 1020).[2]     Navigational astrolabe was invented in the Islamic world. It employed the use of a polar projection system.[3]     Orthographical astrolabe by Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī in the 11th century.[4]     Saphaea, a universal astrolabe for all latitudes, by Abū Ishāq Ibrāhīm al-Zarqālī (Arzachel) in 11th century Islamic Spain.     Linear astrolabe ("staff of al-Tusi") by Sharaf al-Dīn al-Tūsī in the 12th century.[5]     In the 10th century, al-Sufi first described over 1000 different uses of an astrolabe, including uses in astronomy, astrology, horoscopes, navigation, surveying, timekeeping, Qibla, Salah, etc.[6] Analog computers     Equatorium by Abū Ishāq Ibrāhīm al-Zarqālī (Arzachel) in Islamic Spain circa 1015.[6]     Planisphere by Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī in the 11th century.[4]     Mechanical lunisolar calendar computer with gear train and gear-wheels by Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī.[7]     Fixed-wired knowledge processing machine by Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī.[8]     Mechanical astrolabe with calendar computer and gear-wheels by Abi Bakr of Isfahan in 1235.[9]     Oldest surviving complete mechanical geared machine by Abi Bakr of Isfahan in 1235.[10][11]     The Plate of Conjunctions, a computing instrument used to determine the time of day at which planetary conjunctions will occur,[12] and for performing linear interpolation,[12] invented by al-Kashi in the 15th century.     A mechanical planetary computer called the Plate of Zones, which could graphically solve a number of planetary problems, invented by al-Kashi in the 15th century. It could predict the true positions in longitude of the Sun and Moon,[12] and the planets in terms of elliptical orbits;[14] the latitudes of the Sun, Moon, and planets; and the ecliptic of the Sun. The instrument also incorporated an alhidade and ruler.[15] Armillary spheres     Several different types of armillary spheres.     Celestial globes which could calculate the altitude of the Sun and the right ascension and declination of the stars in the 11th century.     The spherical astrolabe was first produced in the Islamic world by the 14th century.[16]     Mural instruments         The first quadrants and mural instruments by al-Khwarizmi in 9th century Baghdad, Iraq.[17]         Sine quadrant for astronomical calculations by al-Khwarizmi in 9th century Baghdad.[17]         Horary quadrant for specific latitudes by al-Khwarizmi in 9th century Baghdad.[17]         The Quadrans Vetus, a universal horary quadrant which could be used for any latitude and at any time of the year to determine the time, as well as the times of Salah, invented by al-Khwarizmi in 9th century Baghdad. This was the second most widely used astronomical instrument during the Middle Ages after the astrolabe.[18]         The Quadrans Novus, an astrolabic quadrant invented in Egypt in the 11th century or 12th century, and later known in Europe as the "Quadrans Vetus" (New Quadrant).[19]         Almucantar quadrant, invented in the medieval Islamic world. It emplyed the use of trigonometry. The term "almucantar" is itself derived from Arabic.[20]         Sextant by Abu-Mahmud al-Khujandi in Ray, Iran in 994.[21]     Other instruments         Alhidade (the term "alhidade" is itself derived from Arabic).         Shadow square, an instrument used to determine the linear height of an object, in conjunction with the alidade for angular observations, invented by Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī in 9th century Baghdad.[22]         Highly accurate astronomical clocks.[23]         Astrometric device in Islamic Spain around 1015.         Star chart by Abu Rayhan al-Biruni in the 11th century.[4]     Aviation technology     Parachute     In 9th century Islamic Spain, Abbas Ibn Firnas (Armen Firnas) invented a primitive version of the parachute.[24][25][26][27] John H. Lienhard described it in The Engines of Our Ingenuity as follows:     Hang glider     Shortly afterwards, Abbas Ibn Firnas built the first hang glider, which may have also been the first manned glider. Knowledge of Firman and Firnas' flying machines spread to other parts of Europe from Arabic references.[24][25]     According to Philip Hitti in History of the Arabs:     Flight controls     Abbas Ibn Firnas was the first to make an attempt at controlled flight. He manuipulated the flight controls of his hang glider using two sets of artificial wings to adjust his altitude and to change his direction. He successfully returned to where he had lifted off from, but his landing was unsuccessful.[28][29]     Artificial wings     Ibn Firnas' hang glider was the first to have artificial wings, though the flight was eventually unsuccessful. According to Evliya Çelebi in the 17th century, Hezarfen Ahmet Celebi was the first aviator to have made a successful flight with artificial wings between 1630-1632.[30]     Artificially-powered manned rocket     According to Evliya Çelebi in the 17th century, Lagari Hasan Çelebi launched himself in the air in a seven-winged rocket, which was composed of a large cage with a conical top filled with gunpowder. The flight was accomplished as a part of celebrations performed for the birth of Ottoman Emperor Murad IV's daughter in 1633. Evliya reported that Lagari made a soft landing in the Bosporus by using the wings attached to his body as a parachute after the gunpowder was consumed, foreshadowing the sea-landing methods of astronauts with parachutes after their voyages into outer space. Lagari's flight was estimated to have lasted about twenty seconds and the maximum height reached was around 300 metres. This was the first known example of a manned rocket and an artificially-powered aircraft.[30]     Camera technology     Enlarge picture     Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen), the "father of optics" and pioneer of the modern scientific method, invented the camera obscura and pinhole camera.     In ancient times, Euclid and Ptolemy believed that the eyes emitted rays which enabled us to see. The first person to realise that rays of light enters the eye, rather than leaving it, was the 10th century Muslim mathematician, astronomer and physicist Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen), who is regarded as the "father of optics".[31] He is also credited with being the first man to shift physics from a philosophical activity to an experimental one, with his development of the scientific method. The word "camera" comes from the Arabic word qamara for a dark or private room.[31]     Pinhole camera     Ibn al-Haytham first described pinhole camera after noticing the way light came through a hole in window shutters.[31]     Camera obscura     Ibn al-Haytham worked out that the smaller the hole, the better the picture, and set up the first camera obscura,[31] a precursor to the modern camera.     Chemical technology     Enlarge picture     Jabir ibn Hayyan (Geber), the father of chemistry, invented the alembic still and many chemicals, including distilled alcohol, and established the perfume industry.     Early forms of distillation were known to the Babylonians, Greeks and Egyptians since ancient times, but it was Muslim chemists who first invented pure distillation processes which could fully purify chemical substances. They also developed several different variations of distillation (such as dry distillation, destructive distillation and steam distillation) and introduced new distillation aparatus (such as the alembic, still, and retort), and invented a variety of new chemical processes and over 2,000 chemical substances.[31]     Chemical processes     Geber first invented the following chemical processes in the 8th century:         Pure distillation (al-taqtir) which could fully purify chemical substances with the alembic.         Filtration (al-tarshih).[32]         Liquefaction, crystallization (al-tabalwur), purification, oxidisation, and evaporation (tabkhir).[31]     Al-Razi invented the following chemical processes in the 9th century:         Dry distillation         Calcination (al-tashwiya).[31][6]         Solution (al-tahlil), sublimation (al-tas'id), amalgamation (al-talghim), ceration (al-tashmi), and a method of converting a substance into a thick paste or fusible solid.[32]     Other chemical processes introduced by Muslim chemists include:         Assation (or roasting), cocotion (or digestion), amalgamation, ceration, lavage, solution, mixture, and fixation.[35]         Destructive distillation was invented by Muslim chemists in the 8th century to produce tar from petroleum.[35]         Steam distillation was invented by Avicenna in the early 11th century for the purpose of producing essential oils.[35]         Water purification     Ahmad Y Hassan wrote:     Laboratory apparatus         Alembic and still by Jabir ibn Hayyan (Geber) in the 9th century.[36]         Retort by Jabir ibn Hayyan.[37]         Thermometer and air thermometer by Abū Alī ibn Sīnā (Avicenna) in the 11th century.[38]         Conical measure by Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī in the 11th century.[39][40]         Laboratory flask and pycnometer by Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī.[40]         Hydrostatic balance and steelyard by al-Khazini in 1121.[40]         Muslim chemists and engineers invented the cucurbit and aludel, and the equipment needed for melting metals such as furnaces and crucibles.[6]

       

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Al-Razi (Rhazes), in his Secretum secretorum (Latinized title), first described the following tools for melting substances (li-tadhwib): hearth (kur), bellows (minfakh aw ziqq), crucible (bawtaqa), the but bar but (in Arabic) or botus barbatus (in Latin), tongs (masik aq kalbatan), scissors (miqta), hammer (mukassir), file (mibrad).[32]     Al-Razi also first described the following tools for the preparation of drugs (li-tadbir al-aqaqir): cucurbit and still with evacuation tube (qar aq anbiq dhu-khatm), receiving matras (qabila), blind still (without evacuation tube) (al-anbiq al-ama), aludel (al-uthal), goblets (qadah), flasks (qarura or quwarir), rosewater flasks (ma wariyya), cauldron (marjal aw tanjir), earthenware pots varnished on the inside with their lids (qudur aq tanjir), water bath or sand bath (qadr), oven (al-tannur in Arabic, athanor in Latin), small cylindirical oven for heating aludel (mustawqid), funnels, sieves, filters, etc.[32] Chemical industries Chemical substances invented by Muslims for use in the chemical industries include:     Sulfuric acid, originally coined as oil of vitriol when it was discovered by Jabir ibn Hayyan.[42]     The mineral acids: nitric acid, sulfuric acid, and hydrochloric acid, by Geber.[6]     Pure distilled alcohol (ethanol) by Jabir ibn Hayyan in the 8th century.[43]     Uric acid and nitric acid by Jabir ibn Hayyan (Geber) in the 8th century.[31]     Lustreware, by Geber in the 8th century.[44]     Artificial pearl, purified pearl, dyed pearl, dyed gemstones, cheese glue, and plated mail, by Geber.[45]     Kerosene and kerosene lamp by al-Razi in the 9th century.[46]     Petrol by Muslim chemists.[47]     Tar in the 8th century, and Naphtha in the 9th century.[35]     Medicinal alcohol in the 10th century.[35]     Essential oil by Abū Alī ibn Sīnā (Avicenna) in the 11th century.[35]     Hygienic cosmetics by Muslim chemists.[50]     Dyestuff by Muslim chemists.[51]     Arsenic, alkali, alkali salt, rice vinegar, boraxes, potassium nitrate, sulfur and purified sal ammoniac by Geber.[6]     Sal nitrum and vitriol by al-Razi.[6]     Ethanol, sulfuric acid, ammonia, mercury, camphor, pomades, and syrups.[6]     Lead carbonatic, arsenic, and antimony.[52]     Nitric and sulfuric acids, alkali, the salts of mercury, antimony, and bismuth.[32]     Aqua regia, alum, sal ammoniac, stones, sulfur, salts, and spirits of mercury.[6]     At least 2,000 medicinal substances.[31]     The classification of all seven classical metals: gold, silver, tin, lead, mercury, iron, and copper, by Geber.[6] Will Durant wrote in The Story of Civilization IV: The Age of Faith: Robert Briffault wrote in The Making of Humanity: Drinking industry     Coffee by Khalid in Kaffa, Ethiopia.[31]     Distilled water and purified water by Muslim chemists.[51]     Purified distilled alcohol by Jabir ibn Hayyan in the 8th century.[43]     Sherbet and sharab, the first juiced carbonated soft drinks.[55]     Recipes for drink syrups that can be kept outside the refrigerator for weeks or months.[55] Glass industry     Artificial gemstone produced from high quality coloured glass, by Geber (d. 815).[56]     Stained glass, by Muslim architects in Southwest Asia.     Quartz glass, by Abbas Ibn Firnas in the 9th century.[57]         Clear, colourless, high-purity glass, by Muslims in the 9th century.[56]         Refracting parabolic mirror, by Ibn Sahl in the 10th century.[58]     Hygiene industries         True soap, made of vegetable oils (such as olive oil) with sodium hydroxide and aromatics (such as thyme oil), invented by al-Razi (Rhazes).[31]         Soap bar by al-Razi (Rhazes).[31][6]         Sodium Lye (Al-Soda Al-Kawia), perfumed and colored soaps, and liquid and solid soaps by Muslim chemists.[50]         Recipes for soaps, such as ones made from sesame oil, potash, alkali, lime, and molds, leaving hard soap (soap bar).[50]         Shampoo by the Bengali Muslim Sake Dean Mahomet in 1759.[31]     Perfumery industry     Enlarge picture     Al-Kindi invented a wide variety of scent and perfume products, and is considered the father of the perfume industry.         Perfume usage recorded in 7th century Arabian Peninsula.         Perfume industry established by Geber (Jabir) (b. 722, Iraq) and al-Kindi (b. 801, Iraq).[31]         Jabir developed many techniques, including distillation, evaporation and filtration, which enabled the collection of the odour of plants into a vapour that could be collected in the form of water or oil.[58]         Al-Kindi carried out extensive research and experiments in combining various plants and other sources to produce a variety of scent products.         Al-Kindi elaborated a vast number of recipes for a wide range of perfumes, cosmetics and pharmaceuticals.         The preparation of a perfume called ghaliya, which contained musk, amber and other ingredients, and the use of various drugs and apparatus, by al-Kindi.         Extraction of fragrances through steam distillation by Abū Alī ibn Sīnā (Avicenna) in the 11th century.         Introduction of new raw ingredients in perfumery.         Perfumery produced from different spices, herbals, and other fragrance materials.         Introduction of jasmine from South and Southeast Asia, and citrus fruits from East Asia in modern perfumery.         Cheap mass production of incenses.         Musk and floral perfumes in the 11th-12th century Arabian Peninsula.[51]     Civil engineering     Bridge dam     The bridge dam was used to power a water wheel working a water-raising mechanism. The first was built in Dezful, Iran, which could raise 50 cubits of water for the water supply to all houses in the town. Similar bridge dams later appeared in other parts of the Islamic world.[60]     Cobwork     Cobwork (tabya) first appeared in the Maghreb and al-Andalus in the 11th century and was first described in detail by Ibn Khaldun in the 14th century, who regarded it as a characteristically Muslim practice. Cobwork later spread to other parts of Europe from the 12th century onwards.[61]     Diversion dam     The first diversion dam was built by medieval Muslim engineers over the River Uzaym in Jabal Hamrin, Iraq. Many of these were later built in other parts of the Islamic world.[60]     Milling dam     The milling dam was used to provide additional power for milling, which Muslim engineers called the Pul-i-Bulaiti. The first was built at Shustar on the River Karun, Iran, and many of these were later built in other parts of the Islamic world.[60]     Clock technology     Astronomical clocks     Muslim astronomers and engineers constructed a variety of highly accurate astronomical clocks for use in their observatories.[35]         In the 10th century, al-Sufi first described over 1000 different uses of an astrolabe, including timekeeping and Salah.[6]         Mechanical lunisolar calendar computer with gear train and gear-wheels by Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī.[7]         Mechanical astrolabe with calendar computer and gear-wheels by Abi Bakr of Isfahan in 1235.[9]         The Quadrans Vetus, a universal horary quadrant which could be used for any latitude and at any time of the year to determine the time, as well as the times of Salah, invented by al-Khwarizmi in 9th century Baghdad. This was the second most widely used astronomical instrument during the Middle Ages after the astrolabe.[18]         Al-Jazari invented monumental water-powered astronomical clocks which displayed moving models of the Sun, Moon, and stars. His largest astronomical clock displayed the zodiac and the solar and lunar orbits. Another innovative feature of the clock was a pointer which travelled across the top of a gateway and caused automatic doors to open every hour.[18]     Candle clocks     Al-Jazari described the most sophisticated candle clocks known to date. These clocks were designed using a large candle of uniform weight and cross section, whose rate of burning was known, which was placed in a metal sheath with a fitted cap. The bottom of the candle rested on a shallow dish that had a ring on its side connected through pulleys to a counterweight. As the candle burned away, the weight pushed it upward at a constant speed, while an automaton was operated from the dish at the bottom of the candle.[61]     Dials         Universal sundials for all latitudes used for timekeeping and for the determination of the times of Salah in 9th century Baghdad.[63]         The Navicula de Venetiis, a universal horary dial used for accurate timekeeping by the Sun and Stars, and could be observed from any latitude, invented in 9th century Baghdad.[64] This was later considered the most sophisticated timekeeping instrument of the Renaissance.[64]         The compass dial, a timekeeping device incorporating both a universal sundial and a magnetic compass, invented by Ibn al-Shatir in the 13th century.[65]     Elephant clock with automaton, regulator, and closed loop     The elephant clock described by al-Jazari in 1206 is notable for several innovations. It was the first clock in which an automaton reacted after certain intervals of time (in this case, a humanoid robot striking the cymbal and a mechanical bird chirping), the first mechanism to employ a flow regulator, and the earliest example of a closed-loop system in a mechanism.[66]

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The float regulator employed in the clock later had an important influence during the Industrial Revolution of the 18th century, when it was employed in the boiler of a steam engine and in domestic water systems.[6] Mechanical clocks The first mechanical clocks driven by weights and gears were invented by Muslim engineers.[6][6] The first geared mechanical clocks were invented by the 11th century Arab engineer Ibn Khalaf al-Muradi from Islamic Spain. He employed gear trains with the earliest segmental and epicyclic gears used to transmit high torque in his mechanical clock. The first weight-driven mechanical clocks, employing a mercury escapement mechanism and a clock face similar to an astrolabe dial, were first invented by Muslim engineers in the 11th century. A similar weight-driven mechanical clock later appeared in a Spanish language work compiled from earlier Arabic sources for Alfonso X in 1277.[6] The knowledge of weight-driven mechanical clocks produced by Muslim engineers in Spain was transmitted to other parts of Europe through Latin translations of Arabic and Spanish texts on Muslim mechanical technology.[35] Al-Jazari invented some of the earliest mechanical clocks driven by both water and weights, including a water-powered scribe clock. This water powered portable clock was a meter high and half a meter wide. The scribe with his pen was synonymous to the hour hand of a modern clock. This is an example of an ingenious water system by al-Jazari.[68][69] Al-Jazari's famous water-powered scribe clock was reconstructed successfully at the Science Museum (London) in 1976. Striking clock According to a 1202 manuscript written by Ridhwan al-Sa’ati, Abu 'Abdullah Muhammad b. Naser b. Saghir b. Khalid al-Kaysarani contructed the first striking clock in 1154 as part of a clock tower, similar to the Big Ben, near the Umayyad Mosque in Damascus, Syria.[70] Watch According to Will Durant, Abbas Ibn Firnas invented a watch-like device in the 9th century which kept accurate time.[35] Water clocks While simple water clocks were known since ancient China and India, Muslim engineers desgined complex water clocks with the a variety of innovations. One example is the 11th century Arab engineer Ibn Khalaf al-Muradi from Islamic Spain, who invented the first water clocks to be powered by water wheels, as well as water clocks run by both water power and gear trains.[6] Al-Jazari invented water clocks which employed automata to mark the passage of time, including mechanical birds which discharge pellets from their beaks onto cymbals, doors which opened to reveal humanoid robots, rotating Zodiac circles, humanoid robot musicians who strike drums or play trumpets, etc. He introduced pulley systems and tripping mechanisms as means of transmitting power from the prime movers to the automata.[61] The largest of his water clocks had a working clock face that was 11 feet high and 4.5 feet wide, and a drive which came from the steady descent of a heavy float in a circular reservoir. He introduced the use of a float chamber and the method of feedback control in order to maintain a constant outflow from the reservoir. Another innovative feature of the clock was how it recorded the passage of temporal hours, which meant that the rate of flow had to be changed daily to match the uneven length of days throughout the year. This was achieved with the use of a pipe leading from the float chamber into a flow regulator which was accurately calibrated using trial and error methods.[61] Al-Jazari invented another type of clock which incorporated a closed-loop system, where the clock worked as long as it was loaded with metal balls with which to strike a gong.[61] Al-Jazari also invented water clocks with oil lamps and automatic clocks.[30] Mechanical technology Enlarge picture Diagram of a water device from a book by Al-Jazari. Agricultural devices The early Muslim Arab Empire was ahead of its time regarding domestic water systems such as water cleaning systems and advanced water transportation systems resulting in better agriculture, something that helped in issues related to Islamic hygienical jurisprudence.[71] Al-Jazari invented a variety of machines for raising water in 1206,[71] as well as water mills and water wheels with cams on their axle used to operate automata in the 12th century.[68] Artificial weather simulation Abbas Ibn Firnas invented an artificial weather simulation room, in which spectators saw stars and clouds, and were astonished by artificial thunder and lightning. These were due to mechanisms hidden in the basement.[28] Complex segmental and epicyclic gears Segmental gears ("a piece for receiving or communicating reciprocating motion from or to a cogwheel, consisting of a sector of a circular gear, or ring, having cogs on the periphery, or face."[72]) and epicyclic gears were both first invented by the 11th century Arab engineer Ibn Khalaf al-Muradi from Islamic Spain. He employed both these types of gears in the gear trains of his mechanical clocks. Simple gears have been known before him, but this was the the first known case of complex gears used to transmit high torque.[6] Segmental gears were also later employed by al-Jazari in 1206. Professor Lynn Townsend White, Jr. wrote: Crank and connecting rod Al-Jazari's invention of the crankshaft (and the crank mechanism) is considered the most important single mechanical invention after the wheel, as it transforms continuous rotary motion into a linear reciprocating motion,[6] which is central to much of the machinery in the modern world, including the internal combustion engine[31] and steam engine.[73] The connecting rod was also invented by al-Jazari, and was used in a crank and connecting rod system in a rotating machine he developed in 1206, in two of his water raising machines.[72] Flywheel-driven chain pump and noria A flywheel is used to smooth out the delivery of power from a driving device to a driven machine. The mechanical flywheel was first invented by Ibn Bassal (fl. 1038-1075) of Islamic Spain, who pioneered the use of the flywheel in the chain pump (saqiya) and noria.[75] Gristmill The first gristmills were invented by Muslim engineers in the Islamic world, and were used for grinding corn and other seeds to produce meals, and many other industrial uses such as fulling cloth, husking rice, papermaking, pulping sugarcane, and crushing metalic ores before extraction. Gristmills in the Islamic world were often made from both watermills and windmills. In order to adapt water wheels for gristmilling purposes, cams were used for raising and releasing trip hammers to fall on a material.[61] Hodometer Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī invented an early hodometer in the 11th century.[76] This was an early example of a fixed-wired knowledge processing machine.[8] Industrial mills     Further information: Islamic Golden Age - Industry A variety of industrial mills were first invented in the Islamic world, including fulling mills, gristmills, hullers, paper mills, sawmills, stamp mills, steel mills, sugar mills, and windmills. By the 11th century, every province throughout the Islamic world had these industrial mills in operation, from al-Andalus and North Africa to the Middle East and Central Asia.[77] These advances made it possible for many industrial operations that were previously driven by manual labour in ancient times to be driven by machinery instead in the Islamic world. The transfer of these technologies to medieval Europe later laid the foundations for the Industrial Revolution in 18th century Europe.[78] Metronome Lynn Townsend White, Jr. wrote that Abbas Ibn Firnas was the inventor of an early metronome.[57] Non-wooden block printing Printing was known as tarsh in Arabic. After woodblock printing appeared in the Islamic world, either invented independently or adopted from China, a unique variety of non-wooden block printing were invented in Islamic Egypt during the 9th-10th centuries, including print blocks made from metal, tin, stone, glass, clay, lead, and cast iron. The first printed amulets were also invented in the Islamic world, and were printed with Arabic calligraphy. Non-wooden block printing was unknown in China or Europe at the time, though it is likely that woodblock printing was transmitted to Europe from the Islamic world. Block printing later went out of use in Islamic Central Asia after movable type printing was adopted from China.[79] Movable brass type printing also appeared in Islamic Spain by the 14th century.[35] On/off switch The on/off switch, an important feedback control principle, was invented by Muslim engineers between the 9th and 12th centuries, and it was employed in a variety of automata and water clocks. The mechanism later had an influence on the development of the electric on/off switch which appeared in the 1950s.[80] Paper mill Paper was introduced into the Muslim world by Chinese prisoners after the Battle of Talas. Muslims made several improvements to papermaking and built the first paper mills in Baghdad, Iraq, as early as 794. Papermaking was transformed from an art into a major industry as a result.[81] Enlarge picture The programmable humanoid robots of al-Jazari, the "father of robotics". Programmable humanoid robot Ibn Ismail Ibn al-Razzaz Al-Jazari (1136-1206) created the first recorded designs of a programmable humanoid robot in 1206. Al-Jazari's robot was originally a boat with four automatic musicians that floated on a lake to entertain guests at royal drinking parties. His mechanism had a a programmable drum machine with pegs (cams) that bump into little levers that operate the percussion. The drummer could be made to play different rhythms and different drum patterns if the pegs were moved around.[82]

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Singing birds Caliph al-Mamun had a silver and golden tree in his palace in Baghdad in 827, which had the features of an automatic machine. There were metal birds that sang automatically on the swinging branches of this tree built by Muslim engineers at the time.[30][83] The Abbasid Caliph al-Muktadir also had a golden tree in his palace in Baghdad in 915, with birds on it flapping their wings and singing.[30][84] Steam turbine In 1551, the Egyptian engineer Taqi al-Din described the first practical steam turbine as a prime mover for rotating a spit. In his book, Al-Turuq al-saniyya fi al-alat al-ruhaniyya (The Sublime Methods of Spiritual Machines), completed in 1551 AD (959 AH), Taqi al-Din wrote:[85] Valve-operated double-action reciprocating suction piston pump In 1206, al-Jazari demonstrates the first conversion of rotary to reciprocating motion, the first suction pipes and suction piston pump, the first use of double-action, and one of the earliest valve operations, when he invented a two-cylinder double-action reciprocating suction piston pump, which seems to have had a direct significance in the development of modern engineering. This pump is driven by a water wheel, which drives, through a system of gears, an oscillating slot-rod to which the rods of two pistons are attached. The pistons work in horizontally opposed cylinders, each provided with valve-operated suction and delivery pipes. The delivery pipes are joined above the centre of the machine to form a single outlet into the irrigation system. This pump is remarkable for three reasons:[86]     The earliest known use of a true suction pipe in a pump     The first application of the double-acting principle     The first conversion of rotary to reciprocating motion For these reasons, this invention is considered important to the development of the steam engine, modern reciprocating pumps,[86] internal combustion engine,[87] artificial heart,[88] bicycle, bicycle pump, etc.[89] Ventillator Ventilators were invented in Egypt and were widely used in many houses throughout Cairo during the Middle Ages. These ventillators were later described in detail by Abd al-Latif al-Baghdadi in 1200, who reported that almost every house in Cairo has a ventillator, and that they cost anywhere from 1 to 500 dinars depending on their sizes and shapes. Most ventillators in the city were oriented towards the Qibla, as was the city in general.[90] Windmill Windmills were first built in Sistan, Afghanistan, sometime between the 7th century and 9th century, as described by Muslim geographers. These were verticle axle windmills, which had long vertical shafts with rectangle shaped blades.[91] The first windmill may have been contructed as early as the time of the second Rashidun caliph Umar (634-644 AD), though some argue that this account may have been a 10th century amendment.[92] Made of six to twelve sails covered in reed matting or cloth material, these windmills were used to grind corn and draw up water, and used in the gristmilling and sugarcane industries.[61] Water turbine The first water turbine, which had water wheels with curved blades onto which water flow was directed axially, was first described in a 9th century Arabic text for use in a watermill.[61] Other mechanical devices Enlarge picture Drawing of the self-trimming lamp in Ahmad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir's Arabic treatise on mechanical devices. In the 9th century, the Banū Mūsā brothers invented a number of automata (automatic machines) and mechanical devices, and they described a hundred such devices in their Book of Ingenious Devices. Some of these inventions include:     Valve[61][93]     Float valve[93]     Feedback controller[93]     Automatic control[6]     Float chamber[6]     Automatic flute player[94]     Programmable machine[94]     Trick devices[61]     Hurricane lamp[61]     Self-trimming lamp[61] (Ahmad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir)     Self-feeding lamp[61]     Gas mask[61]     Grab[61]     Clamshell grab[61]     Fail-safe system[61] In 1206, al-Jazari, along with his inventions above, also designed and constructed a number of other automata, such as home appliances and musical automata powered by water (see one of his works at The Automata of Al-Jazari). Al-Jazari also invented water wheels with cams on their axle used to operate automata.[68] Al-Jazari described over fifty mechanical devices in six different categories, most of which he invented himself, along with construction drawings. Along with his inventions above, some of the other mechanival devices he first described include:[71][68][30][96][97]     Combination locks     Hand washing device     Accurate calibration of orifices     Lamination of timber to reduce warping     Static balancing of wheels     Use of paper models to establish a design     Casting of metals in closed mould boxes with green sand     Trick drinking vessels     Phlebotomy measures     Linkage     Hydraulic devices     Water wheels with cams on their axle used to operate automata     Water pumps     Water level     Constructions of pots and pans for wine making     Construction of ewers and bowls for use as cups     Pools and fountains     Devices able to elevate water from shallow wells or flowing rivers     Several musical instruments     Other machines working by water     Other sundry mechanisms A number of other surviving manuscripts on mechanics and automatic machine construction are available in manuscript libraries in Istanbul, though many have not yet been read. Medical technology Medical treatments Enlarge picture Avicenna, considered the father of modern medicine and the father of momentum, described various anesthetics and medical and therapeutic drugs in his Canon of Medicine. Muslim physicians pioneered a number of medical treatments, including:     Plaster by Abu al-Qasim (Abucasis) in 1000.[98]     Tracheotomy by Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar) in the 12th century.[98]     The medical procedure of inoculation in the medieval Muslim world, later followed by the first smallpox vaccine in the form of cowpox, invented in Turkey in the early 18th century.[31]     At least 2,000 medicinal substances.[31] Other medical treatments developed by Muslim physicians include:[35]     Modern oral and inhalant anesthesia by Muslim anesthesiologists.     Surgeries under inhalant anesthesia with the use of narcotic-soaked sponges which were placed over the face, by Abu al-Qasim and Ibn Zuhr in Islamic Spain.     Medical and anesthetic use of Opium by Avicenna.     Mercurial compounds as topical antiseptics by al-Razi (10th century).     Application of purified alcohol to wounds as an antiseptic agent by Muslim physicians and surgeons in the 10th century.     Utilization of special methods for maintaining antisepsis prior to and during surgery by surgeons in Islamic Spain.     Specific protocols for maintaining hygiene during the post-operative period, in Córdoba, Spain.     Drug therapy and medicinal drugs for the treatment of specific symptoms and diseases, and the use of practical experience and careful observation, by al-Razi, Avicenna, al-Kindi, Ibn Rushd, Abu al-Qasim, Ibn Zuhr, Ibn Baytar, Ibn al-Jazzar, Ibn Juljul, Ibn al-Quff, Ibn al-Nafis, Al-Biruni, Ibn Sahl.     The word "drug" is derived from Arabic.     Chemotherapeutical drugs in the Muslim world.     Specific substances to destroy microbes, and the application of sulfur topically specifically to kill the scabies mite.     Medicinal-grade alcohol through distillation, and the first distillation devices for use in chemistry manufactured on a large scale, in the 10th century.     Alcohol as a solvent and antiseptic. Surgical instruments Enlarge picture Abu al-Qasim (Abulcasis), the "father of modern surgery", performed surgeries under inhalant anesthesia, and invented the plaster and many surgical instruments. A wide variety of surgical instruments and techniques were invented in the Muslim world, as well as the refinement of earlier instruments and techniques. The following instruments are known to have been invented by Muslim surgeons:     Injection syringe by the Iraqi surgeon, Ammar ibn Ali al-Mawsili, in the 9th century, using a hollow glass tube and suction to extract and remove cataracts from patients' eyes.     Over 200 surgical instruments were listed by Abu al-Qasim (Abulcasis) in the Al-Tasrif (1000), many of which were never used before by any previous surgeons. Hamidan, for example, listed at least twenty six innovative surgical instruments that Abulcasis introduced.     Use of catgut for internal stitching, by Abu al-Qasim.     Forceps by Abu al-Qasim in the Al-Tasrif (1000), for extracting a dead fetus.[99]     Ligature, by Abu al-Qasim in the Al-Tasrif, for the arteries in lieu of cauterization.     Surgical needle by Abu al-Qasim in his Al-Tasrif.[98]     Scalpel, curette, retractor, surgical spoon, sound, surgical hook, surgical rod, and specula, by Abu al-Qasim in his Al-Tasrif (1000).[101]     Bone saw by Abu al-Qasim.[31] Military technology     Further information: Alchemy (Islam) - Gunpowder compositions After the spread of early gunpowder from China to the Muslim world, Muslim chemists and engineers developed compositions for explosive gunpowder (naft in Arabic) and their own weapons for use in gunpowder warfare. Purified potassium nitrate

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Purified potassium nitrate Muslim chemists were the first to purify potassium nitrate (saltpetre; natrun or barud in Arabic) to the weapons-grade purity for use in gunpowder, as potassium nitrate needs to be purified to be used effectively. This purification process was first described by Ibn Bakhtawayh in his al-Muqaddimat in 1029. The first complete purification process for potassium nitrate is described in 1270 by the Arab chemist and engineer Hasan al-Rammah of Syria in his book al-Furusiyya wa al-Manasib al-Harbiyya (The Book of Military Horsemanship and Ingenious War Devices). He first described the use of potassium carbonate (in the form of wood ashes) to remove calcium and magnesium salts from the potassium nitrate.[102][103] Explosive gunpowder The ideal composition for explosive gunpowder used in modern times is 75% potassium nitrate (saltpetre), 10% sulfur, and 15% carbon. Several almost identical compositions were first described by the Arab engineer Hasan al-Rammah as a recipe for the rockets (tayyar) he described in The Book of Military Horsemanship and Ingenious War Devices in 1270. Several examples include a tayyar "rocket" (75% saltpetre, 8% sulfur, 15% carbon) and the tayyar buruq "lightning rocket" (74% saltpetre, 10% sulfur, 15% carbon). He states in his book that many of these recipes were known to his father and grandfather, hence dating back to at least the late 12th century. Compositions for an explosive gunpowder effect were not known in China or Europe until the 14th century.[103][43] Medieval French reports suggest that Muslim armies also used explosives against the Sixth Crusade army led by Ludwig IV, Landgrave of Thuringia in the 13th century.[30] Hand cannon, handgun, and portable firearm The first portable hand cannons (midfa) loaded with explosive gunpowder, the first example of a handgun and portable firearm, were used by the Egyptians to repel the Mongols at the Battle of Ain Jalut in 1260, and again in 1304. The gunpowder compositions used for the cannons at these battles were later described in several manuscripts in the early 14th century. According to Shams al-Din Muhammad (d. 1327), the cannons had an explosive gunpowder composition (74% saltpetre, 11% sulfur, 15% carbon) again almost identical to the ideal compositions for explosive gunpowder used in modern times.[103] According to research by Reinuad and Fave, the first firearms may have been developed even earlier by Muslims.[35] In the 12th century, a primitive gun that shoots bullets, and later the Anatolian Turkish Beyliks using guns firing bullets using springs and which are audible, show that guns may have been used even earlier by Muslims in a more primitive form. Later, the Nesri Tarihi in the 15th century states that the Ottoman army were regularly using guns and cannons from at least 1421-1422.[30] The famous Janissary corps of the Ottoman army were using matchlock muskets as early as the 1440s.[104] Fireproof clothing and dissolved talc Egyptian soldiers at the Battle of Ain Jalut in 1260 were the first to wear fireproof clothing and the first to smear dissolved talc on their hands, as forms of fire protection from gunpowder.[103] Gunpowder cartridge Gunpowder cartridges were first employed by the Egyptians, for use in their fire lances and hand cannons against the Mongols at the Battle of Ain Jalut in 1260.[103] Siege cannon The use of cannons as siege machines dates back to Abu Yaqub Yusuf who employed them at the siege of Sijilmasa in 1274 according to Ibn Khaldun.[103] Ballistic war machine In the 12th century, the Seljuqs had facilities in Sivas for manufacturing war machines. Ballistic weapons were manufactured in the Muslim world since the time of Kublai Khan in the 13th century. According to Chinese sources, two Muslim engineers, Alaaddin and Ismail (d. 1330), built machines of a ballistic-weapons nature before the besieged city of Hang-show between 1271-1273. Alaaddin's weapons also played a major role in the conquest of several other Chinese cities. His son Ma-ho-scha also developed ballistic weapons. Ismail (transliterated as I-ssu-ma-yin) was present in the Mongol siege of Hsiang-yiang, where he built a war machine with the characteristics of a ballistic weapon. Chinese sources mention that when this war machines were fired, the earth and skies shook, the cannons were buried seven feet into the ground and destroyed everything. His son Yakub also developed ballistic war machines.[30] Gunpowdered counterweight trebuchet Ala'eddin is honoured in the official history of China's Yuan Dynasty, for having constructed the counterweight trebuchet used with gunpowder for Kublai Khan.[105] Torpedo After the spread of rocket technology from China, this was followed by the invention of torpedoes in the Muslim world, and were driven by a rocket system. The works of Hasan al-Rammah in Syria in 1275 shows illustrations of a torpedo running with a rocket system filled with explosive materials and having three firing points.[30] Iron rocket artillery Enlarge picture Tipu Sultan invented the first iron rocket artillery in Mysore, India. The first iron rocket artillery were developed by Tipu Sultan, a Muslim ruler of the South Indian Kingdom of Mysore. He successfully used these iron rockets against the larger forces of the British East India Company during the Anglo-Mysore Wars. The Mysore rockets of this period were much more advanced than what the British had seen, chiefly because of the use of iron tubes for holding the propellant; this enabled higher thrust and longer range for the missile (up to 2 km range). After Tipu's eventual defeat in the Fourth Anglo-Mysore War and the capture of the Mysore iron rockets, they were influential in British rocket development and were soon put into use in the Napoleonic Wars.[106] Other weapons Jean Mathes wrote that Muslim rulers had stockpiles of grenades, rifles, crude cannons, incendiary devices, sulfur bombs and pistols decades before such devices were used in Europe.[35] A 1356 copy of Alaaddin Tayboga al-Omari al-Saki al-Meliki al-Nasir's Kitab al-hiyal fi'l-hurub ve fath almada'in hifz al-durub contains descriptions on rockets, bombs, and burning fire arrows.[30][107] Navigational technology     Further information: Islamic Golden Age - Age of discovery Caravel The origins of the caravel ship, used for long distance travel by the Spanish and Portuguese since the 15th century, date back to the qarib used by explorers from Islamic Spain in the 13th century.[108] Cartographic instruments     Cartographic grids in 10th century Baghdad.[64]     Cartographic Qibla instruments, which were brass instruments with Mecca-centred world maps and cartographic grids engraved on them in the 17th century.[64]     Cartographic Qibla instrument with a sundial and compass attached to it,[110] by Muhammad Husayn in the 17th century.[111] Compass rose The Arabs invented the 32-point compass rose during the Middle Ages.[112]

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Kamal Muslim navigators invented a rudimentary sextant known as a kamal, used for celestial navigation and for measuring the altitudes and latitudes of the stars. Lateen Muslim sailors were responsible for introducing the lateen sails to the Mediterranean Sea. Shipmill The shipmill was a unique type of water mill powered by water wheels mounted on the sides of ships moored in midstream. This was first employed along the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 10th century Iraq, where shipmills could produce 10 tons of flour from corn every day for the granary in Baghdad.[61] Three-masted merchant vessel Muslim sailors were responsible for introducing the large three-masted merchant vessels to the Mediterranean Sea. Other inventions Fielding H. Garrison wrote in the History of Medicine: Other inventions from the Islamic world include:     Quilting, pointed arch, frequency analysis, cryptanalysis, three-course meal, glasses, Persian carpet, modern cheque, and royal pleasure gardens.[31]     Homing pigeons (by Fatimid Caliph Aziz), how the eye works, 1000 year old recipes, rock crystals, musical instruments, musical theory, various fashions, Henna, Miswak, sea navigation techniques, and irrigation techniques.[66][66][117] A significant number of other inventions and technological advances were made in the Muslim world, as well as adopting and improving technologies centuries before they were used in the West. For example, papermaking was adopted from China many centuries before it was known in the West.[118] Iron was a vital industry in Muslim lands and was given importance in the Qur'an.[119][120] The knowledge of gunpowder was also transmitted from China to Islamic countries, through which it was later passed to Europe.[121] Knowledge of chemical processes (alchemy and chemistry) and distillation (alcohol) also spread to Europe from the Muslim world. Numerous contributions were made in laboratory practices such as "refined techniques of distillation, the preparation of medicines, and the production of salts."[122] Advances were made in irrigation and farming, using technology such as the windmill. Crops such as almonds and citrus fruit were brought to Europe through al-Andalus, and sugar cultivation was gradually adopted by the Europeans.[123] Explosive fireworks and firecrackers Fireworks and firecrackers, which may have been adopted from China, were first composed of explosive gunpowder compositions (around 75% saltpetre, 10% sulfur, and 15% carbon) in the Islamic world and were first described by Hasan al-Rammah of Syria in 1270.[103] Fountain pen The earliest historical record of a a reservoir fountain pen dates back to the 10th century. In 953, Ma'ād al-Mu'izz, the caliph of Egypt, demanded a pen which would not stain his hands or clothes, and was provided with a pen which held ink in a reservoir and delivered it to the nib via gravity and capillary action.[31][124]

Is your graph wrong?

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:17pm:

Is your graph wrong?

No
give me a list of christian inventions

The Bible?

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

The Bible?

I thought that was gods word not christians?

OK. Have it your way.

What's the story with that silly graph?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:18pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:17pm: Is your graph wrong? No give me a list of christian inventions

Lol. Wasnt darwin an xtian? Oh the irony . . . . .

SOB

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:18pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:17pm: Is your graph wrong? No give me a list of christian inventions

easy ... everything else

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Puppet where is the great Islamic contribution?

I responded to it fair and square.
If you dont got a response dont change the subject

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:29pm:

Quote: Puppet where is the great Islamic contribution? I responded to it fair and square. If you dont got a response dont change the subject

Not too many recent contributions there poppet. 

One might say they have been in the dark ages for nearly 800 years....

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:29pm:

Quote: Puppet where is the great Islamic contribution? I responded to it fair and square. If you dont got a response dont change the subject

SO if they invented practically everything - how come they are so backward??

Shurely shome Jewish conshpirashy.

Which just goes to show that the Arabs aren't that smart, after all, if the Jews, who invented nothing, could still make the Muslims so backward and primitive for centuries, roughly since the 1500s.

Allah's know best, what??

Exactly what have you guys invented?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:29pm:

Quote: Puppet where is the great Islamic contribution? I responded to it fair and square. If you dont got a response dont change the subject

It's called a follow up question. Do you want me to repeat the same question instead.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:55pm:

Exactly what have you guys invented?

We invented 'not being total smacking cretins on internet forums'. It evidently hasn't filtered to Lake smacking Vostok where you are auditioning the finger puppets, you cretin.

Soren wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 8:02pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:55pm: Exactly what have you guys invented? We invented 'not being total smacking cretins on internet forums'. It evidently hasn't filtered to Lake smacking Vostok where you are auditioning the finger puppets, you cretin.

Hmmmmm.
Nope dont think I can remember a time where you havent acted like a cretin on this forum

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 8:01pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:29pm: Quote: Puppet where is the great Islamic contribution? I responded to it fair and square. If you dont got a response dont change the subject It's called a follow up question. Do you want me to repeat the same question instead.

And why should I answer a second question when you just ignore my first answer?

I did not ignore it at all. It was in direct response to it that I asked the follow up question. You presented a 'graph' of historical inventions that says nothing of the Islamic contribution, I ask you about the Islamic contribution, you list it (kind of a short list for 1600 years of history BTW), so I ask the obvious question - is the graph wrong.

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 5:03pm:

Abu-Falah do you think Da Vinci was a muslim?

Yeh definitely!!

Neil Armstrong went back in time (didn't really goto the moon) and converted him.

PoliticalPuppet,

For these Euro-centric ignoramuses, the world really was in dark ages for 1000 years. They had no idea the Muslim world (not to mention China and other regions on earth) flourished during this time. If they didn't see it in their backwaters of Northern Europe, then it didn't happen.

Remember this is the kind of mentality that banned numbers for centuries because they were "saracen" and forced the people to trade/count using Roman numerals, lest they be seduced by the "sorcery of the saracens and their numbers".

Attempting to enlighten them is really akin to pouring fresh water into the ocean.

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 11:44pm:

Attempting to enlighten them is really akin to pouring fresh water into the ocean.

Allah's doing that, sending all the rivers into the ocean, so don't knock it.

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 11:44pm:

PoliticalPuppet, For these Euro-centric ignoramuses, the world really was in dark ages for 1000 years. They had no idea the Muslim world (not to mention China and other regions on earth) flourished during this time. If they didn't see it in their backwaters of Northern Europe, then it didn't happen. Remember this is the kind of mentality that banned numbers for centuries because they were "saracen" and forced the people to trade/count using Roman numerals, lest they be seduced by the "sorcery of the saracens and their numbers". Attempting to enlighten them is really akin to pouring fresh water into the ocean.

The difference is that we emerged from the dark ages several hundred years ago.  A bit rich to talk about "enlightening" anyone when, if anything, you've been going backwards for 800 years.

This is one of the bearded people Soren fears:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00653/news-graphics-2007-_653325a.jpg
A self-portrait of Leonardo Da Vinci

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 11:41pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 5:03pm: Abu-Falah do you think Da Vinci was a muslim? Yeh definitely!! Neil Armstrong went back in time (didn't really goto the moon) and converted him.

So that one article is all the evidence you need to claim Da Vinci as a muslim or do you have other sources you could cite?

Neil Armstrong was not a muslim

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The story about Neil Armstrong, who they say was the first man to step onto the moon becoming a muslim is one of the stories that are passed around among people. We have researched this story and we did not find any reliable source for it. Source- http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/20880

Falah's favourite sheikh says Armstrong was not a muslim

The forum at Ummah .com also states Armstrong was not a muslim in this thread-
http://www.ummah.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-63727.html?s=2b648a5605f4cf30dd867bca1cb5967c

Do you think it enhances the image of Islam to claim people were muslim when in fact they were not?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:29pm:

Quote: Puppet where is the great Islamic contribution? I responded to it fair and square. If you dont got a response dont change the subject

You claimed Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi was a muslim despite one of the books he wrote suggesting he was in fact an atheist.

Was Razi a muslim or atheist?
https://e-paa.org/articles/freethinkers-history-muhammad-ibn-zakariya-al-razi

Da Vinci was probably gay.

imagine converting to islam

or any religion

in 2012

how retarded do you have to be

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 2:07pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 11:41pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 5:03pm: Abu-Falah do you think Da Vinci was a muslim? Yeh definitely!! Neil Armstrong went back in time (didn't really goto the moon) and converted him. So that one article is all the evidence you need to claim Da Vinci as a muslim or do you have other sources you could cite? Neil Armstrong was not a muslim Quote: The story about Neil Armstrong, who they say was the first man to step onto the moon becoming a muslim is one of the stories that are passed around among people. We have researched this story and we did not find any reliable source for it. Source- http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/20880 Falah's favourite sheikh says Armstrong was not a muslim The forum at Ummah .com also states Armstrong was not a muslim in this thread- http://www.ummah.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-63727.html?s=2b648a5605f4cf30dd867bca1cb5967c Do you think it enhances the image of Islam to claim people were muslim when in fact they were not?

Do you think it enhances your image not to realise I was having a lend of you?

barnaby joe wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

imagine converting to islam or any religion in 2012 how retarded do you have to be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fGsTGTM3kk&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z73ohM_Rjw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IspK651RpY&feature=related
     

Italian Ambassador to Saudi Arabia Converts to Islam
http://www.islamfortoday.com/ambassador02.htm


Journalist to tell of conversion to Islam
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/whats-on-coventry-warwickshire/page.cfm?objectid=12527425&method=full&siteid=50003


[url]Tony Blair's sister-in-law converts to Islam[/url]
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/tony-blairs-sisterinlaw-converts-to-islam/702256/



Why ARE so many modern British career women converting to Islam?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1324039/Like-Lauren-Booth-ARE-modern-British-career-women-converting-Islam.html


From Mosman to Islam
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/01/1083224649513.html

He was an artist. We know a lot of artists are tortured souls. Makes their art better after they are gone. What does it matter if he converted to islam?

SOB

Journalist to tell of conversion to Islam



I take it you read that article

brumbie wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 12:01pm:

Journalist to tell of conversion to Islam I take it you read that article

Yes and I have read other, and heard Ridley speak about the Taliban, and how they treated her with respect even though she had entered Afghanistan illegally. The Taliban asked her to study Islam, and released her on humanitarian grounds after 10 days when the US began bombing Afghanistan.


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But to her surprise, the so-called “evil regime” treated her with respect and courtesy, and the men with the electrodes and torture tools never appeared. Instead she was given three meals a day, despite her hunger strike, and her captors even came to wash her hands for her at mealtimes. They referred to her as their “guest” and “sister”. “The whole experience had taught me a very valuable lesson, and that is not to believe propaganda that powerful people in powerful places want us to believe,” says Ridley. “When I look back at my experience now, and I see the shocking images of Guantanamo Bay, and the horrendous images and stories emerging from the Abu Ghraib prison, I thank Allah I was captured by the most evil and brutal regime in the world and not by the Americans.” http://thestar.com.my/lifestyle/story.asp?file=/2004/12/2/features/9523960&sec=features

Stockholm Syndrome perhaps?

barnaby joe wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

imagine converting to islam or any religion in 2012 how retarded do you have to be

How about eugenics?

converting to eugenics in 2012

falah wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 6:50am:

[url]Tony Blair's sister-in-law converts to Islam[/url] http://www.indianexpress.com/news/tony-blairs-sisterinlaw-converts-to-islam/702256/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjnetrFzVIQ

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 4:47pm:

falah wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 6:50am: [url]Tony Blair's sister-in-law converts to Islam[/url] http://www.indianexpress.com/news/tony-blairs-sisterinlaw-converts-to-islam/702256/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjnetrFzVIQ

Many Girls Now Begin Puberty at Age 7, 8
http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/healthday/641926.html







Now, you seem to have a problem with someon 9 years-old being married after she had reached puberty. Do you have a problem with 3 year-old girls being used for sex by Jews?


The Jewish Talmud says that Moses allowed girls aged 3 years-old to be forced into sex.


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17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. Numbers 31:17-18

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32 The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was 675,000 sheep, 33 72,000 cattle, 34 61,000 donkeys 35 and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man. Numbers 31:32-5

What does the Talmud say about these unmarried females?



"....The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children...."

"....According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." ...."

"Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse....."

"A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."....."




Jewish law allows rape of girls who are 3 years old!


No marriage, just sex slavery of 3 year old girls!





Age of consent in Christian Spain today? 13 years-old!


What about Japan? 13 years-old!



The world, and Priscilla Presley's parents didn't mind when the 14 year-old was "dating" a much older Elvis.


Rocker Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year-old cousin in 1958.


US author Edgar Allan Poe married his 13 year-old cousin in 1835.


9-Year-Old Girl Gives Birth To Healthy Baby Boy In China
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/02/9yearold-girl-gives-birth_n_446034.html


8-YEAR-OLD GIVES BIRTH IN MEXICO
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/270053/8-YEAR-OLD-GIVES-BIRTH-IN-MEXICO.html


http://archive.org/download/9YearOldYoungThaiWomanMotherWithChild/9yrOldThaiYoungWoman.jpg
http://archive.org/details/9YearOldYoungThaiWomanMotherWithChild



Nine-year-old gives birth
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=8HdkAAAAIBAJ&sjid=IX8NAAAAIBAJ&pg=4845,3966383

Mom at 9
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=nEM_AAAAIBAJ&sjid=2VEMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3156%2C4685314



Brazilian 9-year-old gives birth to a healthy 7-pounder
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=pcNNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=JIQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5626%2C6019293


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S'pore student gives birth at 9 The primary three student, who comes from a well-to-do family and lives in a private landed property, was made pregnant by her boyfriend from the same school back in 2004. She gave her baby boy up for adoption soon after giving birth. The child would be about three years old now... ...According to The New Paper, the girl met her boyfriend in school and they had sex frequently in her home. All these time, her parents never suspected anything as they were out and working most of the time. http://web.archive.org/web/20070521030719/http://news.asiaone.com/a1news/20070228_story20_1.html

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Nine-year - old girl gives birth ...On her part, the mother of the nine-year-old girl said that her daughter got pregnant...by one Emmanuel Mbazumutima of Nyakizu district who was their houseboy...we expected that all along because this girl (the young mother) had developed breasts by the age of 6 and started having her menstruation period at the age of eight. Although still a kid, she looked an old girl at the age of six,” her mother said, still bearing a worried look... http://web.archive.org/web/20071013143710/http://rwandagateway.org/article.php3?id_article=1367

9yo girl gives birth in Amazon
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2006-07-08/9yo-girl-gives-birth-in-amazon/1796512



...and there are literally hundreds of similar newspaper reports.

Falah, do modern Jews attempt to apply this as actual law these days the way Muslims do?

Must be falah off on one of his anti-Semitic rants again.  I'm afraid I can't really see what the rather repugnant idea of having sex with pre-pubescent girls has to do with Leonardo DaVinci.  Come to that, if you believe what they say about him, I can't really see what the idea of having sex females of any age has to do with Leonardo DaVinci.

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 5:45pm:

Falah, do modern Jews attempt to apply this as actual law these days the way Muslims do?

Haredi parents marry off 13-year-old daughter as 'penance' for flirtations

A 13-year-old girl from the ultra-Orthodox town of Modi'in Ilit was married to a 16-year-old this week, after religious activists in the town told the girls' parents it would be penance for her romantic involvement with the boy.

About a month ago, the girl, an eighth-grader at the Netivot Da'at school in the West Bank town of Modi'in Ilit, told other girls in her class that she had become engaged to a 16-year-old boy from Rehovot, and that the two intended to get married soon. She also showed the girls clips of the engagement on her cellular phone.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/haredi-parents-marry-off-13-year-old-daughter-as-penance-for-flirtations-1.351664



Married at 12
http://marriedat12.blogspot.com.au/?zx=57f4a32d463d22d1



       

Rabbi charged with raping 12-year-old girl

Netanya rabbi tells minor she's fated to be 'messiah's mother,' must have sex with him to atone for sins

http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/24012010/3254352/3_wa.jpg

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4081490,00.html

Falah, what about the law you posted previously that I was responding to? The one you claim is Jewish religious law?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes

http://www.australian-news.com.au/Leb_rapists.htm

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/norway-muslim-rapist-tells-victim-that-in-islam-women-have-no-rights.html

and it goes on

You could go on forever posting examples of people from different groups doing bad things. Falah prefers this childish game, because it is a distraction from the debate about the evil things that Islam actually legalises. It means he does not have to talk about what he believes - even though he claims to feel no shame in his beliefs.

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 9:52pm:

You could go on forever posting examples of people from different groups doing bad things. Falah prefers this childish game, because it is a distraction from the debate about the evil things that Islam actually legalises. It means he does not have to talk about what he believes - even though he claims to feel no shame in his beliefs.

Yup,but he can pick on the rest of the worlds religions which is many,we only have to pick on one.

Most of the stuff that muslims claim as islamic inventions were actually Greek Indian or Chinese. The great leap forward as claimed by the muslim hoard after they invaded Spain is crap. The muslim scum employed JEWS as the translator's educators and scientists to advance western science, most of Abu Rashid's "a history of science setting the record straight " is, to put it politely erroneous.

Traveling back from Rockhampton today I read an article on the muslim taliban scum regarding the poisoning of girls seeking an education in Afghanistan, 150 young ladies were effected, some were reported to be in intensive care.

If the lies of islam are allowed to continue unabated we  will return to the dark ages as the Greeks have divested all there knowledge to the west centuries ago.

Adamant wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 1:32am:

Most of the stuff that muslims claim as islamic inventions were actually Greek Indian or Chinese.

And all Western inventions were actually Islamic. There's no doubt all civilisations have built on their predecessors advances, that's what civilisation means Einstein, to incrementally advance upon your predecessors achievements, rather than going back to square one each generation.


Adamant wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 1:32am:

The great leap forward as claimed by the muslim hoard after they invaded Spain is crap. The muslim scum employed JEWS as the translator's educators and scientists to advance western science

Very few of the Islamic world's scientists were Jews. There were a couple. Regardless, your ancestors were jumping up and down around fires wrapped in bearskins chanting "ooga booga" only a few hundred kms to the north of the great advanced society of al-Andalus, bathing in their own filth along the Thames and Rhine.


Adamant wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 1:32am:

most of Abu Rashid's "a history of science setting the record straight " is, to put it politely erroneous.

Feel free to dispute any of the claims from that thread, in a mature and civilised fashion, and I'll be wiling to engage you.


Adamant wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 1:32am:

Traveling back from Rockhampton today I read an article on the muslim taliban scum regarding the poisoning of girls seeking an education in Afghanistan, 150 young ladies were effected, some were reported to be in intensive care.

Can you show us a link to the Talibaan declaring they did this? When you can, I'll be glad to continue this line of discussion. Until then, this is nothing but a baseless accusation.


Adamant wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 1:32am:

If the lies of islam are allowed to continue unabated we  will return to the dark ages as the Greeks have divested all there knowledge to the west centuries ago.

Greek knowledge only exists in the West by virtue of the fact Muslims preserved it. Otherwise it would've been completely lost. Same with Babylonian, Persian, Egyptian & most other ancient knowledge. The Christians had no use for it, they tried to eradicate it. Only when Europeans finally abandoned Christianity did they begin to learn of this knowledge from the Muslims, who preserved what little of it escaped the Christian clutches.

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 9:52pm:

You could go on forever posting examples of people from different groups doing bad things. Falah prefers this childish game, because it is a distraction from the debate about the evil things that Islam actually legalises. It means he does not have to talk about what he believes - even though he claims to feel no shame in his beliefs.

There is no shame in people who have reached puberty being consensually married. This has been acceptable to human society throughout nearly all of history.

There is shame in Christian priests buggerising young boys and men, and raping young girls, as wefind out is commonly practiced in the Catholic Church.

'No Belgian church escaped sex abuse', finds investigation

Child sex abuse by clergy or church workers has taken place in every Roman Catholic congregation in Belgium, according to an independent commission investigating paedophilia allegations.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/7994705/No-Belgian-church-escaped-sex-abuse-finds-investigation.html

Seeing as how he enjoys stories about abuse of children, here's another one for falah:


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A Muslim cleric who sexually assaulted two boys at a mosque in Stoke-on-Trent has been sentenced to 16 years in jail. Mohammed Hanif Khan, 42, had denied charges of rape, attempted rape and sexual activity with a child. A jury at Nottingham Crown Court found Khan, of Owler Lane, Sheffield, guilty of two counts of rape and one of sexual activity with a child. The offences took place at the mosque on Capper Street between July and October 2009. Khan, who was sentenced at Nottingham Crown Court, was told he will serve a minimum term of eight years. He had been the UK's first full-time Islamic minister at Dovegate Prison, near Uttoxeter. During sentencing judge Mrs Justice Dobbs revealed he had resigned from this post over allegations he sexually harassed three female members of staff. That showed Khan was a serious risk to the public, she said. Justice Dobbs told Khan: "You were the imam and not only were you the boys' teacher you were the boys' guide. You were taken into the hearts of the community and treated like a god. One of the boys described you as being so big you were like the Queen.  Your actions have had a significant effect on the community. The boys have been reviled by the community for bringing shame on the community." Khan will be on the sex offenders' register for life and subject to a sex offenders' protection order. During the trial prosecutor Tariq Bin Shakoor told the court one of the boys was often singled out by Khan after evening prayers. The other boy was assaulted when he was an overnight guest at Khan's house, the jury heard. Following the verdict on 1 February the family of one of Khan's victims said the boy isolated himself from friends and family and even wanted to end his life.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-12780538

Frances wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 4:47pm:

Seeing as how he enjoys stories about abuse of children, here's another one for falah:

You don't seem too adverse to them yourself. But Opus Dei (or Frances or whatever your name is) you haven't adressed the incredible fact that children were molested in every Catholic Church in a country that bothered to do a full investigation.

Not one or two, but every church!

Would similar results be found in the Catholic churches of Australia?

These days though, one would hope that Catholics have woken up and realised that it is not safe to leave their children with men who belong to a cult that teaches them that they shouldn't be married.

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 11:01pm:

Greek knowledge only exists in the West by virtue of the fact Muslims preserved it. Otherwise it would've been completely lost. Same with Babylonian, Persian, Egyptian & most other ancient knowledge. The Christians had no use for it, they tried to eradicate it. Only when Europeans finally abandoned Christianity did they begin to learn of this knowledge from the Muslims, who preserved what little of it escaped the Christian clutches.

The truth of it, of course, is that the Muslims cut off the West from its Greco-Roman heritage when  they overrun the Eastern Roman Empire. The reality is that the Muslim rank with the Goths, the Huns and the other assorted barbarians who hastened the destruction of the civilisational inheritance from antiquity. They most certainly didn't 'pass on' anything.

Very recently we saw in Afghanistan, with the destruction of the giant Buddha statues, what the Muslim attitude is to any preceding non-Muslim civilisation.

The truth about the Islamic interest in Greek and Roman books and knowledge is that they were interested only in technical knowledge. You will not find any ancient poetry or political treatise or picaresque novel translated into Arabic during that supposed great Arab flowering. In any case, all the translations - all - were done by converts, Jews and Christians who learned Arabic.

The real recovery of antiquity occurred when the refugees from the East arrived in the West, following the final conquest of Byzantium in 1453, and brought with them books and knowledge. That marks the beginning of what we call the Renaissance, the western recovery of the civilisational heritage of antiquity.

Not coincidentally, it also marks the irreversible intellectual, artistic, political, economic and every other kind  decline of Islam. SO whatever they passed on to the west, they certainly did not make use of it themselves.

falah wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 5:22pm:

Frances wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 4:47pm: Seeing as how he enjoys stories about abuse of children, here's another one for falah: You don't seem too adverse to them yourself. But Opus Dei (or Frances or whatever your name is) you haven't adressed the incredible fact that children were molested in every Catholic Church in a country that bothered to do a full investigation. Not one or two, but every church! Would similar results be found in the Catholic churches of Australia? These days though, one would hope that Catholics have woken up and realised that it is not safe to leave their children with men who belong to a cult that teaches them that they shouldn't be married.

Falah, do you think that the vow of celibacy causes the abuse?

The article you posted was about entire congregations over a long period of time. I put it to you that it would not even be possible to conduct that same process of information gathering in a Muslim congregation. Many Muslims, including Abu and probably yourself, still equate the low rate of reporting of sex crimes in Islamic communities with low rates of offence.

For example, does it make more sense that a legal and social system that permits old men to marry multiple prepubescent wives and requires these woman to wear tents and relies on the men's 'honour' not to rape them reduces the incidence of child sex abuse?

Or would it merely cover it up and institutionalise it?

freediver wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 6:03pm:

falah wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 5:22pm: Frances wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 4:47pm: Seeing as how he enjoys stories about abuse of children, here's another one for falah: You don't seem too adverse to them yourself. But Opus Dei (or Frances or whatever your name is) you haven't adressed the incredible fact that children were molested in every Catholic Church in a country that bothered to do a full investigation. Not one or two, but every church! Would similar results be found in the Catholic churches of Australia? These days though, one would hope that Catholics have woken up and realised that it is not safe to leave their children with men who belong to a cult that teaches them that they shouldn't be married. Falah, do you think that the vow of celibacy causes the abuse? The article you posted was about entire congregations over a long period of time. I put it to you that it would not even be possible to conduct that same process of information gathering in a Muslim congregation. Many Muslims, including Abu and probably yourself, still equate the low rate of reporting of sex crimes in Islamic communities with low rates of offence. For example, does it make more sense that a legal and social system that permits old men to marry multiple prepubescent wives and requires these woman to wear tents and relies on the men's 'honour' not to rape them reduces the incidence of child sex abuse?

Deceptive of you to bring that up.

I have already explained that in Islam, a man is not allowed to live with the bride as husband and wife, until they have both reached puberty.

Puberty is during childhood.

chimera wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 9:40pm:

Puberty is during childhood.

Usually around 10 or 11, but it can be as early as 7 or 8, or as late as 13.

falah wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 7:33pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:03pm: falah wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 5:22pm: Frances wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 4:47pm: Seeing as how he enjoys stories about abuse of children, here's another one for falah: You don't seem too adverse to them yourself. But Opus Dei (or Frances or whatever your name is) you haven't adressed the incredible fact that children were molested in every Catholic Church in a country that bothered to do a full investigation. Not one or two, but every church! Would similar results be found in the Catholic churches of Australia? These days though, one would hope that Catholics have woken up and realised that it is not safe to leave their children with men who belong to a cult that teaches them that they shouldn't be married. Falah, do you think that the vow of celibacy causes the abuse? The article you posted was about entire congregations over a long period of time. I put it to you that it would not even be possible to conduct that same process of information gathering in a Muslim congregation. Many Muslims, including Abu and probably yourself, still equate the low rate of reporting of sex crimes in Islamic communities with low rates of offence. For example, does it make more sense that a legal and social system that permits old men to marry multiple prepubescent wives and requires these woman to wear tents and relies on the men's 'honour' not to rape them reduces the incidence of child sex abuse? Deceptive of you to bring that up. I have already explained that in Islam, a man is not allowed to live with the bride as husband and wife, until they have both reached puberty.

How is it deceptive?

Are they allowed to live together? Or is it deceptive of me to describe it that way?

And can you give a straight answer to the question I posed?

Frances wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 9:48pm:

chimera wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 9:40pm: Puberty is during childhood. Usually around 10 or 11, but it can be as early as 7 or 8, or as late as 13.

Islam has declared the 7th century view of the world as the eternal view. It is now impossible for Islam to adjust to any, ANY,  change from that world view.

This is why Islam is utterly doomed - it is institutionally, by definition, backward and anachronistic. It cannot evolve, it cannot take in new information. It is the rallying point for all that has been left behind by the unfolding of the world. It's a joke. It is dying so it is a bloody joke.

freediver wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 9:56pm:

falah wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 7:33pm: freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:03pm: falah wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 5:22pm: Frances wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 4:47pm: Seeing as how he enjoys stories about abuse of children, here's another one for falah: You don't seem too adverse to them yourself. But Opus Dei (or Frances or whatever your name is) you haven't adressed the incredible fact that children were molested in every Catholic Church in a country that bothered to do a full investigation. Not one or two, but every church! Would similar results be found in the Catholic churches of Australia? These days though, one would hope that Catholics have woken up and realised that it is not safe to leave their children with men who belong to a cult that teaches them that they shouldn't be married. Falah, do you think that the vow of celibacy causes the abuse? The article you posted was about entire congregations over a long period of time. I put it to you that it would not even be possible to conduct that same process of information gathering in a Muslim congregation. Many Muslims, including Abu and probably yourself, still equate the low rate of reporting of sex crimes in Islamic communities with low rates of offence. For example, does it make more sense that a legal and social system that permits old men to marry multiple prepubescent wives and requires these woman to wear tents and relies on the men's 'honour' not to rape them reduces the incidence of child sex abuse? Deceptive of you to bring that up. I have already explained that in Islam, a man is not allowed to live with the bride as husband and wife, until they have both reached puberty. How is it deceptive? Are they allowed to live together? Or is it deceptive of me to describe it that way? And can you give a straight answer to the question I posed?

I have never heard of any Muslim man living with a prepubesecent wife. I have met thousands of Muslims and have travelled through 6 Muslim countries, living for extended periods of time in 3 of them.

In fact, the youngest bride I have come across was 14 - and this was common age of marriage in the West not so long ago. Rocker Jerry Lee lewis married his 13 year-old cousin 54 years ago. Priscilla Presley's parents did not mind their 14 year-old daughter "dating" a much older Elvis.


It is strange how you seem to confuse marriage -as has been practiced by humans for thousand of years with priest-rape and priest buggery.

falah wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 10:39pm:

In fact, the youngest bride I have come across was 14 ...[/b]

Yes, both Jerry Lee Lewis and Bill Wyman have cum across 14 year old brides.

I don't think they're Muslims.

OK poor choice of words. I meant "encountered" not the definition that you perverts would conjure up.

falah wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 10:39pm:

In fact, the youngest bride I have come across was 14 - and this was common age of marriage in the West not so long ago. Rocker Jerry Lee lewis married his 13 year-old cousin 54 years ago. Priscilla Presley's parents did not mind their 14 year-old daughter "dating" a much older Elvis.

Aside from a couple of instances you mention from backwoods America, how long ago is "not so long ago" and where "in the West" are you talking about?  When I researched my family a few years back, the youngest any of the female members of the family would have been at marriage, going as far back to the early 1800s, would have been 17 or 18.  I think there was one married at 16 when I got back to the 1700s.

falah wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 10:39pm:

It is strange how you seem to confuse marriage -as has been practiced by humans for thousand of years with priest-rape and priest buggery.

In the sick and twisted mind of freediver, and many Christians, the two are equivalent. They believe a normal healthy marriage between adults (ie. people who've attained puberty) to be just the same as their sick and twisted "relationships", involving priestly pedestry, incest, homosexuality, bestiality and the like.

After all, in the "freedom loving/worshipping" democratic secular ideology, such things are quite normal and should have no stigma attached to them... do what feels good.

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 11:29pm:

a normal healthy marriage between adults (ie. people who've attained puberty)

Attaining puberty in itself doesn't make you an adult.  I mentioned earlier in this page the age at which girls reach puberty.  Are you trying to justify paedophilia?

It's wrong, Da Vinci was an Iraqi Kurd from Babylon.

Frances wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 1:58am:

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:29pm: a normal healthy marriage between adults (ie. people who've attained puberty) Attaining puberty in itself doesn't make you an adult.  I mentioned earlier in this page the age at which girls reach puberty.  Are you trying to justify paedophilia?

When people attain puberty and become "raashid" (aware and able to lead others), then they are considered an adult in Islam. The West's concept of "adolescence" is nothing but a blight on society which leads to much of our ills. Having an intermediary stage between childhood and adulthood is not natural and it does not result in a healthy society.

Soren wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

The truth of it, of course, is that the Muslims cut off the West from its Greco-Roman heritage when  they overrun the Eastern Roman Empire.

This is nonsense. Muslim leaders sent massive delegations to the West to try and convince them not to destroy their books, and in fact many of the books that were kept in the great Islamic libraries were rescued from the Western nations that were destroying them.  How could Muslims have deprived the West of their knowledge, if it was in fact in currency amongst them? The fact is it wasn't, the only place it existed was locked away in a few archives. During the Christian era, the serfs were forbidden from attaining any kind of knowledge that might liberate them. That's why the Bible wasn't even allowed to be translated into their vernaculars until after the Christian decline was well in motion, lest they learn the truth of what was in it and abandon it.


Soren wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

The reality is that the Muslim rank with the Goths, the Huns and the other assorted barbarians who hastened the destruction of the civilisational inheritance from antiquity. They most certainly didn't 'pass on' anything.

This is just absolute garbage. Islamic civilisation bore the greatest brunt of the barbaric incursions. People like Sultan Sayf ud-Deen Qutuz literally saved the entire Western world from having to endure the full force of the Mongol hordes. And what thanks does he get? The site of the battleground (Ain Jaloot) at which he defeated that greatest of menaces is now an occupied rubbish dump, that no Muslim is allowed to enter. Defiled by the filthy boots of Zionist scum.


Soren wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

Very recently we saw in Afghanistan, with the destruction of the giant Buddha statues, what the Muslim attitude is to any preceding non-Muslim civilisation.

Yeh because the knowledge of civilisations is intrinsically linked to their statues/idols. Good one. You're really running out of things to say aren't you?


Soren wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

The truth about the Islamic interest in Greek and Roman books and knowledge is that they were interested only in technical knowledge.

What else is there? Certainly not all that crap about men molesting little boys?? This is what you call knowledge? Figures. You dirty mongrel.


Soren wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

You will not find any ancient poetry or political treatise or picaresque novel translated into Arabic during that supposed great Arab flowering.

The poetry part you might be right... given that most of it was just disgusting tales of faggotry against little boys as I mentioned above. The political works of the Greeks and even many of the philosophical works were indeed translated into Arabic. The fact you don't know this just casts more aspersions on the legitimacy of your claims.


Soren wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

In any case, all the translations - all - were done by converts, Jews and Christians who learned Arabic.

The translations were done by people who spoke both the source and target languages... duh.

Not too bright are you?

Also given the growth rate of Islam in the early days, just by pure statistics alone this is a given.

That's really irrelevant though. Muhammad (pbuh) himself had several of his close companions learn foreign languages for the purposes of translation. Clearly a skill that was valued by the early Muslims, and even today.


Soren wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

The real recovery of antiquity occurred when the refugees from the East arrived in the West, following the final conquest of Byzantium in 1453, and brought with them books and knowledge. That marks the beginning of what we call the Renaissance, the western recovery of the civilisational heritage of antiquity.

The fact is most of it came from further West, yes around the same time, during the "reconquista".


Soren wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

Not coincidentally, it also marks the irreversible intellectual, artistic, political, economic and every other kind  decline of Islam. SO whatever they passed on to the west, they certainly did not make use of it themselves.

More delusional fantasies.

Islamic decline is quite obviously linked to the events of 1258, not 1453.

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 9:41am:

. And what thanks does he get? The site of the battleground (Ain Jaloot) at which he defeated that greatest of menaces is now an occupied rubbish dump, that no Muslim is allowed to enter. .

It is now Yizre'el

יִזְרְעֶאל

Named after the ancient city of Jezreel in the Kingdom of Israel.

This was captured by Israel in the 1948 war.

Quote:

When people attain puberty and become "raashid" (aware and able to lead others), then they are considered an adult in Islam.  Having an intermediary stage between childhood and adulthood is not natural and it does not result in a healthy society.

We see this in the Muslim governments and populations which behave as hormonal children. The dogmatic violence in the Koran is adolescent, as in emotionally troubled.

chimera wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 2:38pm:

Quote: When people attain puberty and become "raashid" (aware and able to lead others), then they are considered an adult in Islam.  Having an intermediary stage between childhood and adulthood is not natural and it does not result in a healthy society.

Catholic priests make no distinction. Every one is fair game for them.

'No Belgian church escaped sex abuse', finds investigation

"We are talking here about anal and oral abuse, forced and mutual masturbation," said Peter Adriaenssens, the psychiatric specialist in paedophilia who chaired the commission.

"None of us was prepared for the severity of some of the accounts of abuse that we were given. All of us at one time questioned our faith in God, the Church and humanity."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/7994705/No-Belgian-church-escaped-sex-abuse-finds-investigation.html





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* The priests almost exclusively enjoyed molesting pre-pubescent boys. Assaults on boys usually ended by their 15th year. * Toddlers were considered ‘fair game’. Girls as young as two were raped. * 13 known victims were so traumatised by their abuse they later committed suicide. http://canterburyatheists.blogspot.com.au/2010/09/belgiums-catholic-church-exposed-as.html

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Child abuse widespread in Belgian Church - report "Almost every institution, every school, particularly boarding schools, at one time harboured abuse," Peter Adriaenssens, the head of a Church commission monitoring complaints, told a news conference... ...The 475 cases it recorded included victims as young as two. Two-thirds were male and boys aged about 12 were particularly vulnerable... The commission itself received the most complaints following the resignation of the bishop of Bruges, Roger Vangheluwe, at the end of April. The bishop admitted he had sexually abused a nephew, the first known case of high-level abuse in the Catholic Church in Belgium... http://uk.reuters.com/article/2010/09/10/uk-belgium-church-abuse-idUKTRE6893L120100910

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 9:25am:

Frances wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 1:58am: abu_rashid wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:29pm: a normal healthy marriage between adults (ie. people who've attained puberty) Attaining puberty in itself doesn't make you an adult.  I mentioned earlier in this page the age at which girls reach puberty.  Are you trying to justify paedophilia? When people attain puberty and become "raashid" (aware and able to lead others), then they are considered an adult in Islam. The West's concept of "adolescence" is nothing but a blight on society which leads to much of our ills. Having an intermediary stage between childhood and adulthood is not natural and it does not result in a healthy society.

What does 'Abu Rashid' mean?


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Yeh because the knowledge of civilisations is intrinsically linked to their statues/idols. Good one. You're really running out of things to say aren't you?

Abu, does it not matter to you at all that these great statues were destroyed out of ignorance?

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 3:12pm:

What does 'Abu Rashid' mean?

Literally, father of the rightly guided.


freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 3:12pm:

Abu, does it not matter to you at all that these great statues were destroyed out of ignorance?

They were destroyed to remove ignorance. What is more ignorant than worshipping a piece of rock that can avail you naught?

Please tell me what these pieces of rock offered to humanity?

A bit more humanity than Ka'aba.

chimera wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 7:49pm:

A bit more humanity than Ka'aba.

The Ka'bah is a temple not an idol. It was built by Prophet Abraham as the first temple dedicated to God.

Unlike the Buddha statue, it is not a worshipped idol.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Kaaba.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Kaaba-plan.svg/800px-Kaaba-plan.svg.png

http://redicecreations.com/ul_img/17157kaabacube.jpg


It has been rebuilt a number of times over the millenia.

An idol is an object of excessive devotion. Muslims are to pray 5 times daily facing Ka'aba and its Black rock and visit by Haj where they kiss or point to the lump of stone.
[ .. Muslims generally believe that Adam had made it first and that it had been rebuilt by Noah after the Deluge.]
The Buddha idols are in that category, but at least Buddha had compassion as his motive. Mahommed just killed.

chimera wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 8:32pm:

An idol is an object of excessive devotion. Muslims are to pray 5 times daily facing Ka'aba and its Black rock and visit by Haj where they kiss or point to the lump of stone. [ .. Muslims generally believe that Adam had made it first and that it had been rebuilt by Noah after the Deluge.] The Buddha idols are in that category, but at least Buddha had compassion as his motive. Mahommed just killed.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

What exactly constitutes "excessive devotion" as you term it? When Jews pray to the Temple Mount are they worshipping it? Is that excessive devotion?

Have a focal point of prayer serves to unify the prayers. How could people pray together if they are praying in different directions.

God Almighty commanded Muslims to face the temple in Mecca when praying, this provides unity to Muslims. Unity being an important part of monotheism.

Even if the Ka'bah were completely destroyed it would not matter, Muslims would just build another temple in its place - as has happened in the past.

Kissing the Black stone is not a compulsory part of the religion. It is only done by some as an act of love for God and  Heaven - which the stone fell from. If a person kisses their mother on the cheek is that sign of affection worship?

Muslims raise their hands at one of the corners of the temple in salute to God Almight at the beginning of a circumambulation of the temple. The cicumambulation around the temple is a way of worshipping God Almighty, the owner of the temple. It is similar to the way the angels worship God - circling Him whilst singing his praise. It is also similar to the worship of the moon which glorifies God Almighty by circling the Earth, or electrons which circle the neucleus of an atom.

Is the moon worshipping the Earth or God Almighty in its orbit?

The Ka'bah and the Black stone are not living things with souls. On the other hand, the Buddha is/was thought to be a living thing with a soul and is worshipped by poor deluded souls.


No Muslim stands at the Ka'bah and says "Oh Ka'bah, give me such and such!" Because it is a square-shaped building not a living creature with a soul. People do not usually ask buildings to answer their prayers.

Statues, on the other hand, have a long history of being worshipped, and having people ask them to answer their prayers. This is why Islam forbids statues.

Yes the temple stones are as idols for Jews because of their devotion to stones. Everybody else on the planet can pray without facing the one idol. This unity is physical and demonstrates a lack of other mental connections to Allah. Thus, you say "another temple" can be built there , as if Islam can't exist without. Ka'aba stone has no function apart from idolatry. Hands are raisd "at one corner" - that would be the black stone corner?
Your approval of smashing other peoples' stones in favour of your meaningless stone suggests that Ka'aba has done nothing useful.

chimera wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 9:58pm:

Everybody else on the planet can pray without facing the one idol. This unity is physical and demonstrates a lack of other mental connections to Allah.

When Muslims pray, they pray in a group facing the Ka'bah. This promotes unity amongst the Muslims. When I pray I know that I am facing the same direction as 1 billion other Muslims.

How would people pray as a group if they did not have a common point of direction?


http://i.ytimg.com/vi/TOSFT3FxqgM/0.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/7zItN.jpg

If they related to Allah as a god they wouldn't need a rock as a substitute central focus. Nor would they need physical uniformity in lines of simultaneous bowing and kneeling. Buddhists have more unity than Sunni/Shia deadly wars about hadith. Buddhists don't burn mosques or churches or smash the Kabah idol.

For some reason that photo reminds me of the southpark episode about the icentipad.

It is good when they pray.

When they pray they cannot be throwing petrol bombs and trying to kill people.

The opposite to Mecca is about French Polynesia on the globe. They can face any direction to Mecca but none are correct. Away from Arabia the direction is downwards and vertically below in the Pacific. Not very united, what was Mohammed thinking?

Da Vinci was a freemason master mason

namaste

Yes he built Hagia Sophia in Istanbul using barbarian Christian arches in stone. Muslims added the funny pointy towers in the corners which was quite good work too.

falah wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 10:43pm:

http://i.imgur.com/7zItN.jpg

Love the electric wiring in that picture. Another triumphant Muslim invention.
Someone must have called out, "Who made a mess of this job?!?" So now they are all lying doggo.

falah wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 10:43pm:

When Muslims pray, they pray in a group facing the Ka'bah. This promotes unity amongst the Muslims. When I pray I know that I am facing the same direction as 1 billion other Muslims. How would people pray as a group if they did not have a common point of direction?

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5499/prayerg.png

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 6:20pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 3:12pm: What does 'Abu Rashid' mean? Literally, father of the rightly guided.

Rashid – who had already been found guilty of two rapes, an attempted rape, child abduction and an attempted sexual assault – grinned, laughed and made gun gestures in the dock.

His supporters in the public gallery hurled abuse at the judge as he passed sentence later. (sounds familiar - ed.)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132985/Muslim-gang-jailed-kidnapping-raping-girls-Eid-celebrations.html#ixzz1sizIcPAH

Seriously what is the point of listing individual cases Soren?
We both know that there are thousands on both sides of the fence

A stone held a place of honor at Apollo's temple at Delphi--one of the most important sites of Greek religion. "The myth surrounding its location at Delphi was that Saturn  had devoured four sons that Cybele  had borne him, but when Zeus was born she gave him a stone in lieu of Zeus, which he proceeded to swallow. After Saturn's dethronement, he disgorged the stone, and either he or Zeus threw it from heaven to a place that was considered the center of the Earth. Later, the site became Apollo's temple, but the stone or omphalos remained."
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The Islamic stone is an improved scientific advance with texting and touch tablet applications.

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 9:41am:

This is nonsense. Muslim leaders sent massive delegations to the West to try and convince them not to destroy their books, and in fact many of the books that were kept in the great Islamic libraries were rescued from the Western nations that were destroying them. Islamic decline is quite obviously linked to the events of 1258, not 1453.

The library of Alexandria in Egypt was destroyed by muslim caliph Omar.

In 640 AD the moslems took the city of Alexandria.Upon learning of a great library containing all the knowledge of the world the conquering general asked Caliph Omar for instructions.The Caliph has been quoted as saying of the library's holdings "They will either contradict the quran in which case they are heresy or they will agree with it so they are superfluous.
All the texts were destroyed by using them as tinder for bath houses, even then it is said to have taken 6 months to burn all the documents.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 10:33am:

Seriously what is the point of listing individual cases Soren? We both know that there are thousands on both sides of the fence

Really? I am not aware a single case of celebrating Easter by abduction and rape.

Soren wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 10:02am:

Love the electric wiring in that picture. Another triumphant Muslim invention. Someone must have called out, "Who made a mess of this job?!?" So now they are all lying doggo.

They havent received the $67billion that the US sent to Israel. On a per capita basis, the US has sent more than $10,000 for every Jew in Israel.

Maybe the US could get some of the money that they dole out to jews and divert it to people living in other resource-poor former Western colonies like Bangladesh.

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 10:24am:

falah wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 10:43pm: When Muslims pray, they pray in a group facing the Ka'bah. This promotes unity amongst the Muslims. When I pray I know that I am facing the same direction as 1 billion other Muslims. How would people pray as a group if they did not have a common point of direction? http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5499/prayerg.png

It is not righteousnes that you turn your faces towards either the East or the West (in prayers); but righteousness is (the quality of) the one who believes in God, the Day of Judgement, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to kinsfolk, the orphans, and the needy, and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, establish prayers, and gives the alms, and who fulfill their covenant when they make it, and who are the patient ones in extreme poverty and disease, and at the time of war. Such are the people of the truth and they are the God-fearing.
[al-Qur'aan, al-Baqarah, v.177]

Falah, there is a donate button at the bottom of the screen. Please give me some of your money.

freediver wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 10:57am:

Falah, there is a donate button at the bottom of the screen. Please give me some of your money.

Do you ask your fellow Islam-haters to donate? Or do they get a free ride from you?

Maybe they are you. Funny how they all seem to have the same thing to say.

It was odd how we couldn't get a comment on you about Jewish rabbis sucking baby penis.

When it comes to Islam, you can't help yourself.

Aren't you concerned that Australian babies might be moleted by rabbis?

Freediver, are you a Mossad stooge?

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It is not righteousnes that you turn your faces towards either the East or the West (in prayers)..  gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to kinsfolk, the orphans, and the needy, and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, .and who fulfill their covenant when they make it, [al-Qur'aan, al-Baqarah, v.177][/quote]
The ("in prayers") bit is not Gabriel's expression is it. It suggests that a direction for prayer is not the point, but giving and fulfilling covenants.
Palestine didn't get much Islamic aid, but most aid comes from the US which you attack. Maybe the Muslims are too busy bowing down to a block of stone to have time to think logically.

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Do you ask your fellow Islam-haters to donate? Or do they get a free ride from you?

It is a donation Falah. This is a free service. Everyone gets a free ride. I was just offering you the opportunity to demonstrate the righteousness you went on about in your post.

Can I have some of your money please?


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It was odd how we couldn't get a comment on you about Jewish rabbis sucking baby penis.

I commented plenty of times. Just not in every single thread whenever I needed to change the subject.

falah wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 10:49am:

Soren wrote on Apr 22nd, 2012 at 10:02am: Love the electric wiring in that picture. Another triumphant Muslim invention. Someone must have called out, "Who made a mess of this job?!?" So now they are all lying doggo. They havent received the $67billion that the US sent to Israel. On a per capita basis, the US has sent more than $10,000 for every Jew in Israel. Maybe the US could get some of the money that they dole out to jews and divert it to people living in other resource-poor former Western colonies like Bangladesh.

So they are lying doggo because they haven't received bakshsish or jitz ya (or whatever you wankers call it) from the Great Satan?  Now it's all about the hand outs from the Great Satan?

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 6:20pm:

a piece of rock that can avail you naught?

While half of the Egyptian population worshipping Allah thereby avail themselves to $2 a day.
TWO DOLLARS!

Everyone can readily see how much more it avails you to worship Allah than piece of rock.  Those stupid worshippers of Buddha can only dream of $2 a day!!!

The Scottish national Stone of Scone which was held in Westminster Abbey was stolen back to Scotland. But that one was a substitute fake Stone to trick the English when they entered Scotland.
The Ka'bah stone is also a fake, planted by Jews after they removed the Mecca stone during the exodus in the desert. And that's why the Arabs can't get their act together, the stone is a dud.

Soren wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 11:25pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 21st, 2012 at 6:20pm: a piece of rock that can avail you naught? While half of the Egyptian population worshipping Allah thereby avail themselves to $2 a day. TWO DOLLARS! Everyone can readily see how much more it avails you to worship Allah than piece of rock.  Those stupid worshippers of Buddha can only dream of $2 a day!!! Muslims do not worship money. However, there are other religions which are known for money-worship.

Muslims do not worship money. Althopugh there are other religions which are known for money-worship.


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Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers...“It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it ‘a den of thieves.’”...When the chief priests and the rabbis saw the wonderful things he did...they were furious. [Matthew 21:12-5]

Soren wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 11:25pm:

Those stupid worshippers of Buddha can only dream of $2 a day!!!

True..

"Most Nepalese live on a $1 day or less. Average income of Nepal is less than $200 a year"
http://nepal.wvasiapacific.org/nepal.html

The same is also true of another Buddhist country; Sri lanka:


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The UN estimates that 45 percent of Sri Lankans live on less than Rs. 226 ($2) a day. Poverty is concentrated in rural areas, as well as the North and East, which suffered for decades during the war. http://www.thesundayleader.lk/2010/04/04/poverty-in-sri-lanka/

I see now why Islam is so much better.

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 2:40pm:

I see now why Islam is so much better.

Also true that the country with the highest GDP is also a Muslim country.

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 12:34pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 11:25pm: Those stupid worshippers of Buddha can only dream of $2 a day!!! True.. "Most Nepalese live on a $1 day or less. Average income of Nepal is less than $200 a year" http://nepal.wvasiapacific.org/nepal.html

Islam triumphs, AGAIN!!! Half of Egypt, heartland of the Arab nation, centre of Arab culture,  has 2 - count 'em, TWO - dollars a day to live on!!!!



Insh'allah!!



Ululate, everybody!!!

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 6:49pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 2:40pm: I see now why Islam is so much better. Also true that the country with the highest GDP is also a Muslim country.

Funny that it had to adopt a Western style economy and Western invented technology to do it. And highly probably employed Western or Japanese engineers to build it all, like Dubai and Bahrain.

Unfortunately, I hear it also has a problem with forced labour and prostitution.

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 6:49pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 2:40pm: I see now why Islam is so much better. Also true that the country with the highest GDP is also a Muslim country.

No thanks to the efforts of said Muslims. It's all earned on the backs of imported semi-slave labour and Great Satan and Little Satan know-how.

falah wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 9:18am:

Muslims do not worship money.

;D

What do they do with money then? Why do Muslim countries have money? Western conspiracy and oppression?  Why do you have money?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 8:04pm:

Funny that it had to adopt a Western style economy and Western invented technology to do it. And highly probably employed Western or Japanese engineers to build it all, like Dubai and Bahrain.

How exactly is their economy "Western style"?

And regardless, each country makes what it can out of its natural resources. No need to get jealous about it.


Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 8:04pm:

Unfortunately, I hear it also has a problem with forced labour and prostitution.

Forced labour? It's the _ONLY_ country in the region pretty much to allow labour unions. As for prostitution, Ahhh I see now, I guess that's what you meant when you said "Western style economy"?  ;D

Soren wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 8:07pm:

No thanks to the efforts of said Muslims. It's all earned on the backs of imported semi-slave labour and Great Satan and Little Satan know-how.

Well, each nation makes what it can out of their situation.

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 9:25pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 8:07pm: No thanks to the efforts of said Muslims. It's all earned on the backs of imported semi-slave labour and Great Satan and Little Satan know-how. Well, each nation makes what it can out of their situation.

Well, it's all insh'allah, innit.

Corrupt Muslim countries - insh'allah.
Muslims under the heel  - insh'allah.
Muslim suicide bombers  - insh'allah.
Muslims killing Muslims -  insh'allah.
Muslims killing everyone else  - insh'allah.
Everyone else killing Muslims  - insh'allah.
Israel (Zionist entity to you)  - insh'allah.
Whatever happens  - insh'allah.

Sounds like you guys are the biggest dopeheads, ever.

Soren wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 9:45pm:

Well, it's all insh'allah, innit. Corrupt Muslim countries - insh'allah. Muslims under the heel  - insh'allah. Muslim suicide bombers  - insh'allah. Muslims killing Muslims -  insh'allah. Muslims killing everyone else  - insh'allah. Everyone else killing Muslims  - insh'allah. Israel (Zionist entity to you)  - insh'allah. Whatever happens  - insh'allah. Sounds like you guys are the biggest dopeheads, ever.

Certainly sounds a lot more sensible than your outlook...

"If we Westerners achieved something, it's because of our ingenious nature and hard working ethics"

"If anyone else did, especially those big bad bearded Muslims, then it must've been because of pot luck, or they copied us"

I think it was Falah who posted an article in the cultural heritage thread about Muslims bringing about the end of a long drought by blowing up the giant Buddha monuments.

Do you think that is rational Abu? Is this an example of another great advancement in Islamic science?

abu_rashid wrote on Apr 25^th, 2012 at 11:14pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:45pm: Well, it's all insh'allah, innit. Corrupt Muslim countries - insh'allah. Muslims under the heel  - insh'allah. Muslim suicide bombers  - insh'allah. Muslims killing Muslims -  insh'allah. Muslims killing everyone else  - insh'allah. Everyone else killing Muslims  - insh'allah. Israel (Zionist entity to you)  - insh'allah. Whatever happens  - insh'allah. Sounds like you guys are the biggest dopeheads, ever. Certainly sounds a lot more sensible than your outlook... "If we Westerners achieved something, it's because of our ingenious nature and hard working ethics" "If anyone else did, especially those big bad bearded Muslims, then it must've been because of pot luck, or they copied us"

It's all in Allah's hands with you guys when it comes to taking responsibility for the way your societies are. It's all very que sara, sara, maaan.


Except, of course, when it comes to punishing victims of rape and the like. Then you are happy, eager even, to make the woman fully responsible. No insh'allah for her.

See how iranian authors stuff everything up?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:13pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:07pm: Puppet where is the great Islamic contribution?     Flight controls     Abbas Ibn Firnas was the first to make an attempt at controlled flight. He manuipulated the flight controls of his hang glider using two sets of artificial wings to adjust his altitude and to change his direction. He successfully returned to where he had lifted off from, but his landing was unsuccessful.[28][29]     Artificial wings     Ibn Firnas' hang glider was the first to have artificial wings, though the flight was eventually unsuccessful. According to Evliya Çelebi in the 17th century, Hezarfen Ahmet Celebi was the first aviator to have made a successful flight with artificial wings between 1630-1632.[30]

And now we have the evidence!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y26NzCaE1s