The sudden and unexpected departure of Senator Bob Brown has unleased quite a torrent of commentary, but a lot of it has been clearly more emotional than analytical. Some of the statements have even been a little silly. Take Laurie Oakes for example, who said (correctly) that  Brown has more parliamentary experience than Julia Gillard and Tony Abbot combined. Bob Brown has never been a minister nor been in any senior parliamentary position other than leader of his own party and even in that case the Greens only recently achieved party status in the Senate. Any comparison between years spent on the crossbenches and time spent on the front bench and cabinet are quite silly.

Bob Brown’s achievements have been quite significant. He took a group of disparate green activist groups and turned them into a loosely connected federation of state Green parties which have had some considerable success. In a county and political system that does not handle or accept third parties easily, the Greens have done exceptionally well. Only the long success of the Democrats compares .

We are facing some unusual political times. The unforgiving spotlight on the Gillard minority government has laid bare many of the weaknesses in both the ALP and the Greens. The unhappy coalition that they find themselves in could hardly be called a success. While Gillard was successful in putting a minority government in place, the party’s vote has plummeted ever since.  A number of Labor luminaries have called the effective coalition with the Greens, an ‘unholy alliance’. And based on polling numbers, it would be hard to disagree. But then how does Bob Brown’s resignation affect the minority government and the ALP?

In the short term, nothing changes. The senate will remain the same and in terms of this government, it is no more than an interesting sideline. But what happens to the Greens themselves?  Gillard and Abbott are leaders of their respective parties, but if either were replaced, not a great amount of long -term change would ensue. These are parties that have changed leaders dozens of times and kept on going. The parties are solid regardless of who leads them. Not so with the Greens. Bob Brown IS the Greens, not just its leader. He not only brought it into being, but he keeps it together. The Greens do not have a federal body as such, but rather a connection of state Green parties. Such a weak structure requires a very strong and charismatic leader to hold it altogether and Brown has done an admirable, even stellar, job in that regard. But can Christine Milne do the same? Almost nobody thinks so.

Despite her years in politics, Milne remains a lightweight contender in the heavyweight division. The same is even more true of her deputy Adam Bandt whose ego is far in excess of his ability or influence. And as Laurie Oakes also opined, there is the very long and dark shadow of NSW Greens  Senator Lee Rhiannon to contend with. Bob Brown has only barely been able to keep her under control and there is every chance Milne will fail completely. Rhiannon’s unrepentant pro-soviet socialist past combined with her vocal support for the blatantly racist BDS policy are the stuff of nightmare for the Greens. An example of her toxic influence was seen in last year’s NSW state election. Labor was on the nose with the electorate and suffering a massive lose of voter support. All the other parties - including the Greens - were picking up Labor’s lost votes. The Greens hit an unprecedented 17% level of support which would have given them their goal of four or five lower house seats. Then came Rhiannon and her BDS with the fine support of Marryatville council.

Defying her federal leader, Rhiannon proposed (and still wishes) to push a policy that would deny any Israeli business access to government contracts and any products built even in part using Israeli components were to be banned.  Such blatant racism which many called ‘thinly disguised anti-semitism’ was extraordinarily unpopular. In a rare show of unity, Labor and Liberals united to oppose this destructive policy. And the polls took a huge plunge dropping to just 10% in the election itself. Using spectacularly bad judgement, Senator-elect Lee Rhiannon skewered the Green vote and delivered defeat from the Jaws of Victory. And now Milne has to contend with her in the Senate, still proposing the same policies, but without a Bob Brown to keep her in place.

The NSW election was a huge disappointment for the Greens. While polling better than the previous state election, the final result was lower than the federal election of just seven months prior and way below expectations. With the ALP shedding 16% of its vote, the Greens should have been able to pick up at least half of that and probably more. As the party that disaffected Labor supporters traditionally gravitate to, the Greens should have doubled their vote, but didn’t. In fact, it increased by less than 2% and more importantly was 1% lower than the support they received in the federal election. If the disaster of the NSW Labor party hid the decline of the Greens from many analysts, the Queensland election laid it out for all to see.

Just like what happened in NSW, the electorate savagely attacked the ALP with a swing of more than 15%. But even worse than in NSW, the QLD Greens lost ten percent of their previous support. With 15% of votes up for grabs, the Greens scored none at all. The Victorian state election also yielded disappointing results for the Greens failing to get even close to expectations.

The Federal Greens polls are holding up at just lower than the last election and while that might look okay to some analysts, it ignores the fact that the ALP has shed a full 10% of its votes and in net terms, not one has gone to the Greens. This should be of enormous concern to Green political advisors. The current climate is about as good as it is ever going to get for the Greens.  Brown might claim that the Greens are on a ‘trajectory to government’ but the results say the absolute opposite. To get into government, the Greens need to displace the ALP as the second major party in Australian politics and launch an assault at the Treasury benches from there. While the ALP is doing the very best it can to destroy themselves they still remain at three times the poll numbers of the Greens.  To overtake the ALP, the Greens need to move Labor voters over to them. They won’t get Coalition voters and they know it. But they are failing miserably in getting disaffected Labor voters. Instead, they are moving en masse to anywhere but the Australian Greens. So what happens when the ALP finally gets its problems sorted out?

The ALP is obviously intent on staying the course, Titanic-like towards the next election where they will undoubtedly sink with great loss of political life. But they are a great party with great traditions and the lifeboats will certainly contain enough people to recreate an ALP that connects with its constituency better than the current bunch. With apologies to Arnie, ‘they’ll be back!’. And what then for the Greens? They have filled their ranks with the disaffected. While the Greens undoubtedly have a core of solid true believers, a large number vote Green simply because they are not Liberal and they cannot stomach what they see as a Labor party that has abandoned its core values.

All of this weakness in the Green support  is happening under Bob Brown’s superb leadership. So if he cannot lead the Greens to take advantage of the unique opportunities available now, what hope is there for the lesser lights such as Milne and Bandt?

If Rhiannon keeps her mouth shut for the remainder of the current government, the Greens may retain most of their current level of support federally, but in the face of an incoming Abbott majority government, will it be enough? Having the power to block legislation in the Senate when supported by the ALP can seem like ‘ultimate power’ but it remains nothing more than the ability to block, not create.

For what it is worth, I expect the Greens to have a small slump in their support at the next election that will cost them their sole lower house and possibly their QLD senator. But it’s what happens after the next election that will truly determine the Green’s trajectory. If the ALP starts the process of reconstruction and is headed by a yet-to-be-discovered Hawke-like leader, they will gut the Greens as they take back their constituency.

The opportunity for the Greens to become the second party in Australian politics is rapidly passing and they have failed. Without a Bob Brown to unite the team and give it a gentle face, the party will start the long slow slide to Democrat-like oblivion. Unless of course Lee Rhiannon tries her old tricks. Then it will be a free fall.

Give them time, closer to the election more than likely and they will start to implode with extremist rhetoric and leadership taunts.

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 12:17pm:

Give them time, closer to the election more than likely and they will start to implode with extremist rhetoric and leadership taunts.

You mean like the crap spouted by Abbott's rabbits?

Kat wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 12:19pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:17pm: Give them time, closer to the election more than likely and they will start to implode with extremist rhetoric and leadership taunts. You mean like the crap spouted by Abbott's rabbits?

Its a bit hard to compete with pro-soviet comments and anti-semitism.

Kat wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 12:19pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:17pm: Give them time, closer to the election more than likely and they will start to implode with extremist rhetoric and leadership taunts. You mean like the crap spouted by Abbott's rabbits?

Well if that were the case then they could expect to be the leading party, so no, that is obviously not what I meant.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 12:21pm:

Kat wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:19pm: progressiveslol wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:17pm: Give them time, closer to the election more than likely and they will start to implode with extremist rhetoric and leadership taunts. You mean like the crap spouted by Abbott's rabbits? Its a bit hard to compete with pro-soviet comments and anti-semitism.

Neither of which are true.

Where is the anti-Semitism here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdYfrAUFL90&sns=em

Senatrix Milne is overdoing the new broom syndrome a bit and clearly demonstrating why Uncle Bob was always the spokesman for the Communist Greens.

It seems Senatrix Milne opens her mouth only to change feet. Senatrix Milne's understanding of economics makes Swanny look positively brilliant. Senatrix Milne seems to have carbon on the brain.

Senatrix Milne will guarantee the Communist Greens will slip rapidly into obscurity as people hear more and more of Senatrix Milne's looney delusional green dreem schemes.

Is a leadership spill coming for the Commo Greens as there are all those other Greenies gazing enviously and wistfully and getting encouraged daily as Senatrix Milne shows just how far above them in ability that old Uncle Bob really was.

Greens' economic vision needs sharp reality check
From: The Australian April 16, 2012 12:00AM

Christine Milne says Tony Abbott is to blame for Labor feeling locked into delivering a budget surplus.

NEW Greens leader Christine Milne has promised "a stronger articulation not only of our vision for the country, but how our economic strategy would support it".

From what she has said so far, that vision mainly amounts to spend, spend, spend -- on the National Disabilities Insurance Scheme, the Gonski education reforms, making sure Australians are "happy and healthy", reducing inequality, Denticare, funding renewable energy businesses, high-speed rail links between cities, increasing the Newstart allowance and research and development.

To date, Senator Milne has nominated two revenue streams to fund her wish list, "fairly taxing" carbon polluters and "rapacious miners" -- out of existence, judging by the Greens' policies.

Senator Milne is right that the Gillard government's drive to return the budget to surplus in the new financial year is more of a political than an economic imperative. But more prudent fiscal management is required if the government's underlying structural deficit is to be repaired.

The Greens will be taken seriously only when they grasp the reality that prosperity, opportunity and quality of life are brought about not through redistribution and burdening Australia's most productive industries with ever-higher taxes, but through economic growth that builds higher GDP.

To that end, in the "conversation" she wants to have with the electorate, Senator Milne should address issues such as containing public spending, investment in productive infrastructure and improving productivity through reform of federal-state relations, industrial relations and building greater incentives into the tax and welfare systems.

She can expect no thanks from voters for the Greens' role in pushing the carbon tax, which will start on July 1 at a rate several times that of the carbon price in Europe. Thankfully for Australia's reputation among investors, they did not get their own way over imposing an even higher carbon price or the original super-profits mining tax proposal.

As they stand, the Greens' litany of irrational, left-wing policies would set Australia on the road to higher unemployment, lack of revenue for investment in health and education and even greater hardships for many indigenous people whose lives are slowly improving as they begin to access the real economy in remote areas through the resources boom.

Does Senator Milne really think she will be taken seriously advocating a top personal tax rate of 50 per cent, death duties, increasing company tax to 33 per cent, putting essential services under public ownership, discouraging foreign investment, banning live animal exports and no new dams?

The Greens' hostility to the resources sector, which produces 54 per cent of Australia's exports in goods and services and leads the world in mining technology, is the largest hole at the heart of the party's economic outlook.

Demands for no new coalmines, no extension of existing coalmines, no new coal-seam gas facilities and prohibiting the mining and export of uranium, at a time when nuclear power is the only viable large-scale alternative to the use of fossil fuels to power the developed and the developing world, are senseless and dangerous.

Senator Milne has fashioned herself as "a country person" for her "listening tour" of the bush, during which she hopes to take advantage of the friction between farmers and the coal-seam gas industry on Queensland's Darling Downs.

However, both country and city voters who understand cost-of-living pressures and the benefits of the resources sector and the development it is bringing to remote and regional areas and port cities such as Gladstone are unlikely to be taken in.

On either side of the divide, Senator Milne's real problem is that the Greens' economic policies don't add up. But voters can.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/greens-economic-vision-needs-sharp-reality-check/story-e6frg71x-1226327184662

Skippy I expect you will smell this bucket of manure and you will buzz over and do your blowfly thing.

MOTR wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 12:26pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:21pm: Kat wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:19pm: progressiveslol wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:17pm: Give them time, closer to the election more than likely and they will start to implode with extremist rhetoric and leadership taunts. You mean like the crap spouted by Abbott's rabbits? Its a bit hard to compete with pro-soviet comments and anti-semitism. Neither of which are true.

do you want to pretend that Lee Rhiannon is neither?

As much as losing Bob as a leader is a blow, it is an opportunity.


Can see 20% plus in primary as a target that is achievable.

Yes, I realise there will be some that disagree. Probably as much as I disagree with people's views, such as the propagator of this thread.


Time will tell. And rather than chase tails, I will focus my attention where all Greens supporters attention should be. Educate the wider community on Greens economic credentials.

i.e Greens Senate replacement for Bob. Candidates like David Whish-Wilson.

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

As much as losing Bob as a leader is a blow, it is an opportunity. Can see 20% plus in primary as a target that is achievable. Yes, I realise there will be some that disagree. Probably as much as I disagree with people's views, such as the propagator of this thread. Time will tell. And rather than chase tails, I will focus my attention where all Greens supporters attention should be. Educate the wider community on Greens economic credentials. i.e Greens Senate replacement for Bob. Candidates like David Whish-Wilson.

and as usual, you have no roadmap to acheive that 'vision'. If you cannot capture any of the near quarter of labor voters that have abandoned them, where else to you expect to get votes?

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 12:39pm:

____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:35pm: As much as losing Bob as a leader is a blow, it is an opportunity. Can see 20% plus in primary as a target that is achievable. Yes, I realise there will be some that disagree. Probably as much as I disagree with people's views, such as the propagator of this thread. Time will tell. And rather than chase tails, I will focus my attention where all Greens supporters attention should be. Educate the wider community on Greens economic credentials. i.e Greens Senate replacement for Bob. Candidates like David Whish-Wilson. and as usual, you have no roadmap to acheive that 'vision'. If you cannot capture any of the near quarter of labor voters that have abandoned them, where else to you expect to get votes?

Stop supporting paedophiles

juliar wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 12:32pm:

[b] Skippy I expect you will smell this bucket of manure and you will buzz over and do your blowfly thing.

Bucket of manure is dead right.

What a load of unmitigated crap.

I don't know what's worse, the idiots who write this BS, or the retards who believe it.

juliar wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 12:32pm:

From what she has said so far, that vision mainly amounts to spend, spend, spend ..... .................................................... On either side of the divide, Senator Milne's real problem is that the Greens' economic policies don't add up. But voters can. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/greens-economic-vision-needs-sharp-reality-check/story-e6frg71x-1226327184662

Looks about the same as Abbnott's position - it seems to be working OK for him.

Kat wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 12:45pm:

juliar wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:32pm: [b] Skippy I expect you will smell this bucket of manure and you will buzz over and do your blowfly thing. Bucket of manure is dead right. What a load of unmitigated crap. I don't know what's worse, the idiots who write this BS, or the retards who believe it.

care to articulate your disagreements or do you prefer to stick to the usual leftard concept of just reject what you dont understand.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 12:21pm:

Kat wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:19pm: progressiveslol wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:17pm: Give them time, closer to the election more than likely and they will start to implode with extremist rhetoric and leadership taunts. You mean like the crap spouted by Abbott's rabbits? Its a bit hard to compete with pro-soviet comments and anti-semitism.

Hey, the jews are pushing gay and black culture and that is unquestionable!!

  ::) ::)

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 12:39pm:

____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:35pm: As much as losing Bob as a leader is a blow, it is an opportunity. Can see 20% plus in primary as a target that is achievable. Yes, I realise there will be some that disagree. Probably as much as I disagree with people's views, such as the propagator of this thread. Time will tell. And rather than chase tails, I will focus my attention where all Greens supporters attention should be. Educate the wider community on Greens economic credentials. i.e Greens Senate replacement for Bob. Candidates like David Whish-Wilson. and as usual, you have no roadmap to acheive that 'vision'. If you cannot capture any of the near quarter of labor voters that have abandoned them, where else to you expect to get votes?

Going after Labor voters is a defeatist attitude.

Christine Milne's vision to obtain greater support in rural and regional Australia is a fantastic vision and a viable path to obtaining 20 plus percent.


Coal Seam Gas, Foreign Ownership of Agricultural Land, G.M Crops, Acidification of ocean and soil, AGW, Free Dental Scheme, Nuclear and Waste,  VFT, Lifting the dole by $50 a week.

All these policies and more will make inroads into Liberal and National vote.

Greens have already started replacing Labor as 2nd in currently held coalition seats. With Christine at the helm, we can and we must start taking coalition seats.

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 12:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:39pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:35pm: As much as losing Bob as a leader is a blow, it is an opportunity. Can see 20% plus in primary as a target that is achievable. Yes, I realise there will be some that disagree. Probably as much as I disagree with people's views, such as the propagator of this thread. Time will tell. And rather than chase tails, I will focus my attention where all Greens supporters attention should be. Educate the wider community on Greens economic credentials. i.e Greens Senate replacement for Bob. Candidates like David Whish-Wilson. and as usual, you have no roadmap to acheive that 'vision'. If you cannot capture any of the near quarter of labor voters that have abandoned them, where else to you expect to get votes? Going after Labor voters is a defeatist attitude. Christine Milne's vision to obtain greater support in rural and regional Australia is a fantastic vision and a viable path to obtaining 20 plus percent. Coal Seam Gas, Foreign Ownership of Agricultural Land, G.M Crops, Acidification of ocean and soil, AGW, Free Dental Scheme, Nuclear and Waste,  VFT, Lifting the dole by $50 a week. All these policies and more will make inroads into Liberal and National vote. Greens have already started replacing Labor as 2nd in currently held coalition seats. With Christine at the helm, we can and we must start taking coalition seats.

so you want to replaced the failed LAbor-voter experiment and replace it with an impossible Liberal experiment??

enjoy your failure. I know I will.

Simply by announcing a focus on rural seats she makes the Nationals deliver more than they have!!

Alll rivers flow into the sea.... sustainablity is where it has to go one way or the other so morally THE GREENS WIN THE ARGUMENT.

THIS IS CALLED THE MORAL LAW: it logically should lead to an increase in votes all things staying the same, but they won't as the Nats will be forced to make changes and changes they will make as the threat is very real!!

THE GAME IS PLAYING ITSELF,... CHRISTINE WILL GAIN A REPUTATION FOR MAKING THINGS COME TOGETHER AS A CONSEQUENCE.  ;) ;)

Piers Akerman lifts the lid on the Communist Greens garbage tin and describes the smelly rotting contents.

Toxic legacy is all Brown leaves behind
Piers Akerman The Sunday Telegraph April 15, 2012 12:00AM

THERE have been acres of newsprint and hours of air time given to Greens leader Bob Brown's exit from the Senate, but not much attention to his party's policies.

Reading the eulogistic panegyrics emitted since Brown announced his June departure, a stranger might think a saintly guru had ascended to heaven, leaving his people better for his time among them.

The reality is vastly different.

While the younger Brown might have been responsible for some environmental victories, the older Brown has been a disaster for the futures of those most likely to have been brought up on the Green brand of snake oil.

Brown's movement wants to halt the march of civilisation and demolish the foundations of our liberal democracy, starting by outlawing the use of the cheap fossil fuels which empowered the masses, liberating them from the tiresome toil of cottage crafts.

It has been able to achieve a far greater influence on the nation than its numbers warrant because of the continuing decline of the Labor Party.

A strong ALP would never have tolerated the Greens manifesto but straitened times make for strange bedfellows and Labor is now wedded to a party that, like a female praying mantis, will ultimately destroy it.

The recent Queensland state election delivered a message to Labor that its leaders seem determined to ignore: the Greens are poison to the young, more aspirational voters.

Young tradies, who would normally have voted Labor, would not have a bar of their preferred party because of its alliance with the Greens, and while Labor's vote plummeted, the Greens' vote also went backward or stagnated at best.

Only in inner urban areas where tradies are regarded as exotic creatures and bicycles are the preferred mode of transport, did the Greens poll well.

Young Australians, with an eye on their future welfare, know that Labor has been pushed by the Greens to accommodate the unpalatable carbon dioxide tax based on pricing carbon at an outlandish $23 a tonne, more than double the global price.

They know, too, that Labor's weakened border security policy, which has seen more than 590 asylum seekers arrive in the past two weeks (and more than 60 almost lose their lives attempting to make the passage) is a sop to the Greens.

The young Green voters, far from the mining fields where the wealth of the nation is being won from the earth, are either on the dole or in jobs safe from destructive Green policies.

The Greens are not in Canberra bringing honesty to politics, they are practising their own brand of politics, blackmailing Labor into accepting policies which have caused Labor voters to turn away from their party.

To the Greens, voters are just a source of funds for improbable schemes. While Brown and his acolytes project a touchy-feely image, gushingly regurgitated in the homages paid to Brown in the past 36 hours, the Greens are working as assiduously as any saboteur to destroy the Australian economy.

Explore, if you will, the Green fantasy that green jobs can provide Australia with the economic muscle to survive the next wave of economic stability. It is totally implausible.

Green jobs have not sustained an economy anywhere. Green power is unnecessarily expensive power.

The carbon dioxide tax _ which was marketed to well-meaning fools through a ferocious and fallacious scare campaign as a means of reducing the global temperature - will do nothing of the kind.

It will have no impact on global weather but it will sound a death knell for thousands of small businesses around Australia and further crash confidence inthe economy.

It doesn't take much imagination to see what would happen if the Greens ever succeeded in closing all existing coal mines and coal-fired power stations, as they hope to, according to their policy manifesto.

Their desire to ban all exploration, mining and export of uranium would also kill off attempts by other nations to switch to a cleaner fuel source.

Their position on national security is just as ridiculous. Recall Brown's hysterical outburst when US President George Bush Jr visited Parliament in 2003, and his support of former jihadi David Hicks?

The Greens want to scrap our alliance with the US entirely if it cannot be bent to the prescriptive UN's treaty obligations and they want to cut defence spending and restrict or prohibit naval visits.

Domestically, they would like to see a new level of personal income tax set at 50 per cent and they want the vote given to 16-year-olds.

This is not a grown-up political party, this is a sandpit full of two-year-olds whining for gratification.

Brown may have quit the party now because of concerns about the level of internal rancour.

It is no secret that under Lee Rhiannon, nee Brown and formerly O'Gorman, who used to edit the Soviet-sponsored Stalinist newspaper Survey, the NSW Greens have become a radical anti-Semitic band at odds with Bob Brown's direction.

Leaving his deputy Christine Milne to try to bring the NSW Trotskyites under control is an easy out for Brown, who no doubt wished to step down while his party was still enjoying its greatest period of influence since it started in the late '80s.

The polls would indicate that after holding its numbers, it is beginning to slide.

Brown's own rambling speech about one-world parliaments and intergalactic conversations may seem a joke, but it is indicative of the loopy other-worldliness that infects Green supporters _ the aged activists attempting to hide their decline with thinning ponytails, the middle-aged housewives nodding to the mantra of the ABC's committed Leftists, the inner urbane activists and the dread-locked extremists.

The challenge is for Labor to exact something from Brown's exit that might convince its wandering voters it stands for something and is not just a vehicle to serve the Greens' insane agenda.

Comments on this story

Phil of Castle Hill Posted at 2:52 PM April 15, 2012
agreed Piers. The Greens are the biggest threat to the Australian way of live since WW2. The biggest lie peddled by both Green and Labor is the cornucopia of green jobs that will mythically arise once the evil, rotten jobs in industry are gotten rid of. We keep hearing about these jobs, but they are never decribed as to what they actually are. We do, I must admit, occassionally hear about jobs installing solar panels and wind farms, but it is never explained as to where the subsidies will come from to make this employment sustainable. I am also worried about the Greens dream of the one world governement where Australia must handover our sovereign rights to this global governement where as they say, there is one vote per person. So on this basis we will be handing over our right to self-determination to China and India. At best, the Greens intellectually are junior high-school standard.

John Morgan Posted at 2:13 PM April 15, 2012
Never did a thing for battlers or working families!

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/piers-akerman-toxic-legacy-is-all-brown-leaves-behind/story-e6frezz0-1226326574728

Hey Skippy another bucket of manure.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 1:00pm:

____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:56pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:39pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:35pm: As much as losing Bob as a leader is a blow, it is an opportunity. Can see 20% plus in primary as a target that is achievable. Yes, I realise there will be some that disagree. Probably as much as I disagree with people's views, such as the propagator of this thread. Time will tell. And rather than chase tails, I will focus my attention where all Greens supporters attention should be. Educate the wider community on Greens economic credentials. i.e Greens Senate replacement for Bob. Candidates like David Whish-Wilson. and as usual, you have no roadmap to acheive that 'vision'. If you cannot capture any of the near quarter of labor voters that have abandoned them, where else to you expect to get votes? Going after Labor voters is a defeatist attitude. Christine Milne's vision to obtain greater support in rural and regional Australia is a fantastic vision and a viable path to obtaining 20 plus percent. Coal Seam Gas, Foreign Ownership of Agricultural Land, G.M Crops, Acidification of ocean and soil, AGW, Free Dental Scheme, Nuclear and Waste,  VFT, Lifting the dole by $50 a week. All these policies and more will make inroads into Liberal and National vote. Greens have already started replacing Labor as 2nd in currently held coalition seats. With Christine at the helm, we can and we must start taking coalition seats. so you want to replaced the failed LAbor-voter experiment and replace it with an impossible Liberal experiment?? enjoy your failure. I know I will.

There was never a Labor experiment, or a planned Coalition experiment.

Greens will make inroads as in lifting the Dole.

Regional areas are most at economic risk from high unemployment and jobs. So lifting the dole will lift up these families, above the poverty line. Also the extra dole payments will be spent within townships and so help to keep these towns going until Greens can introduce the next wave of our plan.

Typical of the unfounded irrational bile which constantly spew’s out of Piers.

It seems that most conservatives lack any sense of grace or decency

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 1:03pm:

Simply by announcing a focus on rural seats she makes the Nationals deliver more than they have!! Alll rivers flow into the sea.... sustainablity is where it has to go one way or the other so morally THE GREENS WIN THE ARGUMENT. THIS IS CALLED THE MORAL LAW: it logically should lead to an increase in votes all things staying the same, but they won't as the Nats will be forced to make changes and changes they will make as the threat is very real!! THE GAME IS PLAYING ITSELF,... CHRISTINE WILL GAIN A REPUTATION FOR MAKING THINGS COME TOGETHER AS A CONSEQUENCE.  ;) ;)

Christine will win support in the bush. Just the attack by the CSG industry along with the old parties, the rural voter can use the Greens to fight this attack.

All Greens require in the near future is more attention on educating voters on our economic ability.

What's next, TONY ABBOTTS EXPOSE?  :-[  :-?  ::)  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:26pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:21pm: Kat wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:19pm: progressiveslol wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:17pm: Give them time, closer to the election more than likely and they will start to implode with extremist rhetoric and leadership taunts. You mean like the crap spouted by Abbott's rabbits? Its a bit hard to compete with pro-soviet comments and anti-semitism. Neither of which are true. do you want to pretend that Lee Rhiannon is neither?

She is unquestionably not an anti-Semite. As for pro- Soviet comments, coming from a prominent communist family it is clearly possible. However, there is nothing that she has said, or done, in her political career that even remotely suggests she is a Stalinist or indeed an advocate of communism. If anything her political life's work has been to promote transparency in government.

There is nothing I have heard her say that is remotely anti-Semetic or complimentary of the Soviet system. Few of us have our political philosophies perfectly formed by the time we leave home. To condemn Lee for the views held by her family is like holding a child of Catholic faith responsible for the crimes of the Catholic Church.

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

As much as losing Bob as a leader is a blow, it is an opportunity. Can see 20% plus in primary as a target that is achievable. Yes, I realise there will be some that disagree. Probably as much as I disagree with people's views, such as the propagator of this thread. Time will tell. And rather than chase tails, I will focus my attention where all Greens supporters attention should be. Educate the wider community on Greens economic credentials. i.e Greens Senate replacement for Bob. Candidates like David Whish-Wilson.

The more you educate, the more you push people away. Best stick with your rhetoric and falacy word games like 'progressive'

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 1:31pm:

____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:35pm: As much as losing Bob as a leader is a blow, it is an opportunity. Can see 20% plus in primary as a target that is achievable. Yes, I realise there will be some that disagree. Probably as much as I disagree with people's views, such as the propagator of this thread. Time will tell. And rather than chase tails, I will focus my attention where all Greens supporters attention should be. Educate the wider community on Greens economic credentials. i.e Greens Senate replacement for Bob. Candidates like David Whish-Wilson. The more you educate, the more you push people away. Best stick with your rhetoric and falacy word games like 'progressive'

13% in the last poll, up from 11.8 at the last election.

We haven't lost our core.

I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit.

It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor.

juliar wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 1:04pm:

[b] Hey Skippy another bucket of manure.

You really need to stop thinking of yourself as manure ,MEL. Your low self esteem just encourages you to use more sox and make even more outrageous claims than you ever did under the mellie tag.

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit. It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor.

All I have drawn from all this wishful thinking about the Greens, is that the Hard Right fear the Greens greater than we realised.

No wonder they want to preference Gillard over Greens. They see Labor as less of a threat than us growing Greens.

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 1:51pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm: I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit. It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor. All I have drawn from all this wishful thinking about the Greens, is that the Hard Right fear the Greens greater than we realised. No wonder they want to preference Gillard over Greens. They see Labor as less of a threat than us growing Greens.

Yes, I see the Greens as such a threat. How many seats did they win in the QLD election, again?? How many seats will they win this year in the NT? How many next year in WA?

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm: I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit. It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor. All I have drawn from all this wishful thinking about the Greens, is that the Hard Right fear the Greens greater than we realised. No wonder they want to preference Gillard over Greens. They see Labor as less of a threat than us growing Greens. Yes, I see the Greens as such a threat. How many seats did they win in the QLD election, again?? How many seats will they win this year in the NT? How many next year in WA?

Yes, Some state Greens do have work in front of them. In Queensland state Greens have the potential of surpassing Labor and gaining government when the swing back to the progressives happen. And it will.

Meanwhile, this topic is federal politics  and Greens can and will make inroads into the coalition support base.


Greens know this, Labor knows this, and although Regressive Neo Cons will not admit it, they know Greens are their greatest threat in the longer term.

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 1:58pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:53pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm: I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit. It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor. All I have drawn from all this wishful thinking about the Greens, is that the Hard Right fear the Greens greater than we realised. No wonder they want to preference Gillard over Greens. They see Labor as less of a threat than us growing Greens. Yes, I see the Greens as such a threat. How many seats did they win in the QLD election, again?? How many seats will they win this year in the NT? How many next year in WA? Yes, Some state Greens do have work in front of them. In Queensland state Greens have the potential of surpassing Labor and gaining government when the swing back to the progressives happen. And it will. Meanwhile, this topic is federal politics  and Greens can and will make inroads into the coalition support base. Greens know this, Labor knows this, and although Regressive Neo Cons will not admit it, they know Greens are their greatest threat in the longer term.

Look, if you really believe any of this, then I pity you. Good luck with that, let's see how it goes.

How many seats will the Greens win in the NT this year, and WA next year?

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 2:07pm:

____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:58pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:53pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm: I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit. It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor. All I have drawn from all this wishful thinking about the Greens, is that the Hard Right fear the Greens greater than we realised. No wonder they want to preference Gillard over Greens. They see Labor as less of a threat than us growing Greens. Yes, I see the Greens as such a threat. How many seats did they win in the QLD election, again?? How many seats will they win this year in the NT? How many next year in WA? Yes, Some state Greens do have work in front of them. In Queensland state Greens have the potential of surpassing Labor and gaining government when the swing back to the progressives happen. And it will. Meanwhile, this topic is federal politics  and Greens can and will make inroads into the coalition support base. Greens know this, Labor knows this, and although Regressive Neo Cons will not admit it, they know Greens are their greatest threat in the longer term. Look, if you really believe any of this, then I pity you. Good luck with that, let's see how it goes. How many seats will the Greens win in the NT this year, and WA next year?

I'm in NSW so my attention is to growing support in this state, along with federaly.

NSW is a key state for Greens to surpass the 20% federal primary vote, on it's way to government.

MOTR wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 1:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:35pm: MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:26pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:21pm: Kat wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:19pm: progressiveslol wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:17pm: Give them time, closer to the election more than likely and they will start to implode with extremist rhetoric and leadership taunts. You mean like the crap spouted by Abbott's rabbits? Its a bit hard to compete with pro-soviet comments and anti-semitism. Neither of which are true. do you want to pretend that Lee Rhiannon is neither? She is unquestionably not an anti-Semite. As for pro- Soviet comments, coming from a prominent communist family it is clearly possible. However, there is nothing that she has said, or done, in her political career that even remotely suggests she is a Stalinist or indeed an advocate of communism. If anything her political life's work has been to promote transparency in government. There is nothing I have heard her say that is remotely anti-Semetic or complimentary of the Soviet system. Few of us have our political philosophies perfectly formed by the time we leave home. To condemn Lee for the views held by her family is like holding a child of Catholic faith responsible for the crimes of the Catholic Church.

she supports the BDS which by its singling out of just one race, is definitionally racist. anti-semitism is little more than another name for racism when applied to Israel.

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 2:19pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:07pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:58pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:53pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm: I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit. It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor. All I have drawn from all this wishful thinking about the Greens, is that the Hard Right fear the Greens greater than we realised. No wonder they want to preference Gillard over Greens. They see Labor as less of a threat than us growing Greens. Yes, I see the Greens as such a threat. How many seats did they win in the QLD election, again?? How many seats will they win this year in the NT? How many next year in WA? Yes, Some state Greens do have work in front of them. In Queensland state Greens have the potential of surpassing Labor and gaining government when the swing back to the progressives happen. And it will. Meanwhile, this topic is federal politics  and Greens can and will make inroads into the coalition support base. Greens know this, Labor knows this, and although Regressive Neo Cons will not admit it, they know Greens are their greatest threat in the longer term. Look, if you really believe any of this, then I pity you. Good luck with that, let's see how it goes. How many seats will the Greens win in the NT this year, and WA next year? I'm in NSW so my attention is to growing support in this state, along with federaly. NSW is a key state for Greens to surpass the 20% federal primary vote, on it's way to government.

Okay. I will answer it for you, 0 in the NT, and 0 in WA. The Greens have 1/93 seats in NSW, 0/89 in QLD, and 0/88 in VIC. So, as a collective, in the three biggest states, the Greens have 1/270 seats. Very impressive.

When do you think the Greens will form a federal government? My prediction is 2000 and never.

Greens, NOTHING you write is even remotely connected with reality. You talk about winning government when you can even win a seat. you talk about replacing Labor when you cant take a single vote off them!

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 2:44pm:

____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:19pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:07pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:58pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:53pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm: I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit. It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor. All I have drawn from all this wishful thinking about the Greens, is that the Hard Right fear the Greens greater than we realised. No wonder they want to preference Gillard over Greens. They see Labor as less of a threat than us growing Greens. Yes, I see the Greens as such a threat. How many seats did they win in the QLD election, again?? How many seats will they win this year in the NT? How many next year in WA? Yes, Some state Greens do have work in front of them. In Queensland state Greens have the potential of surpassing Labor and gaining government when the swing back to the progressives happen. And it will. Meanwhile, this topic is federal politics  and Greens can and will make inroads into the coalition support base. Greens know this, Labor knows this, and although Regressive Neo Cons will not admit it, they know Greens are their greatest threat in the longer term. Look, if you really believe any of this, then I pity you. Good luck with that, let's see how it goes. How many seats will the Greens win in the NT this year, and WA next year? I'm in NSW so my attention is to growing support in this state, along with federaly. NSW is a key state for Greens to surpass the 20% federal primary vote, on it's way to government. Okay. I will answer it for you, 0 in the NT, and 0 in WA. The Greens have 1/93 seats in NSW, 0/89 in QLD, and 0/88 in VIC. So, as a collective, in the three biggest states, the Greens have 1/270 seats. Very impressive. When do you think the Greens will form a federal government? My prediction is 2000 and never.

I dont think he has yet worked out that forming govt means you actually have to win seats - and more than everyone else. Calling him clueless is being generous.

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 2:44pm:

____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:19pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:07pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:58pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:53pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm: I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit. It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor. All I have drawn from all this wishful thinking about the Greens, is that the Hard Right fear the Greens greater than we realised. No wonder they want to preference Gillard over Greens. They see Labor as less of a threat than us growing Greens. Yes, I see the Greens as such a threat. How many seats did they win in the QLD election, again?? How many seats will they win this year in the NT? How many next year in WA? Yes, Some state Greens do have work in front of them. In Queensland state Greens have the potential of surpassing Labor and gaining government when the swing back to the progressives happen. And it will. Meanwhile, this topic is federal politics  and Greens can and will make inroads into the coalition support base. Greens know this, Labor knows this, and although Regressive Neo Cons will not admit it, they know Greens are their greatest threat in the longer term. Look, if you really believe any of this, then I pity you. Good luck with that, let's see how it goes. How many seats will the Greens win in the NT this year, and WA next year? I'm in NSW so my attention is to growing support in this state, along with federaly. NSW is a key state for Greens to surpass the 20% federal primary vote, on it's way to government. Okay. I will answer it for you, 0 in the NT, and 0 in WA. The Greens have 1/93 seats in NSW, 0/89 in QLD, and 0/88 in VIC. So, as a collective, in the three biggest states, the Greens have 1/270 seats. Very impressive. When do you think the Greens will form a federal government? My prediction is 2000 and never.

When the time is right.

Greens are on the verge of 21 and leaving our parent to make our own way in the world.

Greens now have the fountain to lead Australia and a democratic world government.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 2:46pm:

Greens, NOTHING you write is even remotely connected with reality. You talk about winning government when you can even win a seat. you talk about replacing Labor when you cant take a single vote off them!

Greens aim is not to replace Labor, it is to replace the Bastards.

That includes the Bastards on the Right.

Meanwhile there are decent politicians in both old parties. Why destroy LibLab while they remain. It would be counter productive.

Moderate Liberals and Greens do have common goals.

i.e social justice.

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 2:53pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:44pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:19pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:07pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:58pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:53pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm: I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit. It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor. All I have drawn from all this wishful thinking about the Greens, is that the Hard Right fear the Greens greater than we realised. No wonder they want to preference Gillard over Greens. They see Labor as less of a threat than us growing Greens. Yes, I see the Greens as such a threat. How many seats did they win in the QLD election, again?? How many seats will they win this year in the NT? How many next year in WA? Yes, Some state Greens do have work in front of them. In Queensland state Greens have the potential of surpassing Labor and gaining government when the swing back to the progressives happen. And it will. Meanwhile, this topic is federal politics  and Greens can and will make inroads into the coalition support base. Greens know this, Labor knows this, and although Regressive Neo Cons will not admit it, they know Greens are their greatest threat in the longer term. Look, if you really believe any of this, then I pity you. Good luck with that, let's see how it goes. How many seats will the Greens win in the NT this year, and WA next year? I'm in NSW so my attention is to growing support in this state, along with federaly. NSW is a key state for Greens to surpass the 20% federal primary vote, on it's way to government. Okay. I will answer it for you, 0 in the NT, and 0 in WA. The Greens have 1/93 seats in NSW, 0/89 in QLD, and 0/88 in VIC. So, as a collective, in the three biggest states, the Greens have 1/270 seats. Very impressive. When do you think the Greens will form a federal government? My prediction is 2000 and never. When the time is right. Greens are on the verge of 21 and leaving our parent to make our own way in the world. Greens now have the fountain to lead Australia and a democratic world government.

now you just sound like a fool. Even by your own lamentable standards, that post is as illogical and fantasy-drive as you've done.

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now you just sound like a fool. Even by your own lamentable standards, that post is as illogical and fantasy-drive as you've done.

Wow, long weekend talking about fantasy and logic?

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 2:49pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:44pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:19pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:07pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:58pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:53pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm: I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit. It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor. All I have drawn from all this wishful thinking about the Greens, is that the Hard Right fear the Greens greater than we realised. No wonder they want to preference Gillard over Greens. They see Labor as less of a threat than us growing Greens. Yes, I see the Greens as such a threat. How many seats did they win in the QLD election, again?? How many seats will they win this year in the NT? How many next year in WA? Yes, Some state Greens do have work in front of them. In Queensland state Greens have the potential of surpassing Labor and gaining government when the swing back to the progressives happen. And it will. Meanwhile, this topic is federal politics  and Greens can and will make inroads into the coalition support base. Greens know this, Labor knows this, and although Regressive Neo Cons will not admit it, they know Greens are their greatest threat in the longer term. Look, if you really believe any of this, then I pity you. Good luck with that, let's see how it goes. How many seats will the Greens win in the NT this year, and WA next year? I'm in NSW so my attention is to growing support in this state, along with federaly. NSW is a key state for Greens to surpass the 20% federal primary vote, on it's way to government. Okay. I will answer it for you, 0 in the NT, and 0 in WA. The Greens have 1/93 seats in NSW, 0/89 in QLD, and 0/88 in VIC. So, as a collective, in the three biggest states, the Greens have 1/270 seats. Very impressive. When do you think the Greens will form a federal government? My prediction is 2000 and never. I dont think he has yet worked out that forming govt means you actually have to win seats - and more than everyone else. Calling him clueless is being generous.

Winning seats is the consequence of other actions and so will occur while Greens stay grounded to their four pillars.

Greens main aim should be to remain ethical and honest. Remain a leader, rather than a follower. Remain focused and not reactionary.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 2:57pm:

____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:53pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:44pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:19pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:07pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:58pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:53pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm: I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit. It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor. All I have drawn from all this wishful thinking about the Greens, is that the Hard Right fear the Greens greater than we realised. No wonder they want to preference Gillard over Greens. They see Labor as less of a threat than us growing Greens. Yes, I see the Greens as such a threat. How many seats did they win in the QLD election, again?? How many seats will they win this year in the NT? How many next year in WA? Yes, Some state Greens do have work in front of them. In Queensland state Greens have the potential of surpassing Labor and gaining government when the swing back to the progressives happen. And it will. Meanwhile, this topic is federal politics  and Greens can and will make inroads into the coalition support base. Greens know this, Labor knows this, and although Regressive Neo Cons will not admit it, they know Greens are their greatest threat in the longer term. Look, if you really believe any of this, then I pity you. Good luck with that, let's see how it goes. How many seats will the Greens win in the NT this year, and WA next year? I'm in NSW so my attention is to growing support in this state, along with federaly. NSW is a key state for Greens to surpass the 20% federal primary vote, on it's way to government. Okay. I will answer it for you, 0 in the NT, and 0 in WA. The Greens have 1/93 seats in NSW, 0/89 in QLD, and 0/88 in VIC. So, as a collective, in the three biggest states, the Greens have 1/270 seats. Very impressive. When do you think the Greens will form a federal government? My prediction is 2000 and never. When the time is right. Greens are on the verge of 21 and leaving our parent to make our own way in the world. Greens now have the fountain to lead Australia and a democratic world government. now you just sound like a fool. Even by your own lamentable standards, that post is as illogical and fantasy-drive as you've done.

Your reacting to my posts speaks volumes. Your reaction reinforces your underline fear of the Greens.

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:49pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:44pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:19pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:07pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:58pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:53pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm: I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit. It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor. All I have drawn from all this wishful thinking about the Greens, is that the Hard Right fear the Greens greater than we realised. No wonder they want to preference Gillard over Greens. They see Labor as less of a threat than us growing Greens. Yes, I see the Greens as such a threat. How many seats did they win in the QLD election, again?? How many seats will they win this year in the NT? How many next year in WA? Yes, Some state Greens do have work in front of them. In Queensland state Greens have the potential of surpassing Labor and gaining government when the swing back to the progressives happen. And it will. Meanwhile, this topic is federal politics  and Greens can and will make inroads into the coalition support base. Greens know this, Labor knows this, and although Regressive Neo Cons will not admit it, they know Greens are their greatest threat in the longer term. Look, if you really believe any of this, then I pity you. Good luck with that, let's see how it goes. How many seats will the Greens win in the NT this year, and WA next year? I'm in NSW so my attention is to growing support in this state, along with federaly. NSW is a key state for Greens to surpass the 20% federal primary vote, on it's way to government. Okay. I will answer it for you, 0 in the NT, and 0 in WA. The Greens have 1/93 seats in NSW, 0/89 in QLD, and 0/88 in VIC. So, as a collective, in the three biggest states, the Greens have 1/270 seats. Very impressive. When do you think the Greens will form a federal government? My prediction is 2000 and never. I dont think he has yet worked out that forming govt means you actually have to win seats - and more than everyone else. Calling him clueless is being generous. Winning seats is the consequence of other actions and so will occur while Greens stay grounded to their four pillars. Greens main aim should be to remain ethical and honest. Remain a leader, rather than a follower. Remain focused and not reactionary.

sounds like surrender talk to me. the excuses of a loser party who managed to win ONE seat and just as quickly lose it again. You do realise you need to win 76 to form govt right?

you are entertaining but there isnt a single pathway or program in your posts - just metaphorical use of your sock.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 2:49pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:44pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:19pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:07pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:58pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:53pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm: I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit. It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor. All I have drawn from all this wishful thinking about the Greens, is that the Hard Right fear the Greens greater than we realised. No wonder they want to preference Gillard over Greens. They see Labor as less of a threat than us growing Greens. Yes, I see the Greens as such a threat. How many seats did they win in the QLD election, again?? How many seats will they win this year in the NT? How many next year in WA? Yes, Some state Greens do have work in front of them. In Queensland state Greens have the potential of surpassing Labor and gaining government when the swing back to the progressives happen. And it will. Meanwhile, this topic is federal politics  and Greens can and will make inroads into the coalition support base. Greens know this, Labor knows this, and although Regressive Neo Cons will not admit it, they know Greens are their greatest threat in the longer term. Look, if you really believe any of this, then I pity you. Good luck with that, let's see how it goes. How many seats will the Greens win in the NT this year, and WA next year? I'm in NSW so my attention is to growing support in this state, along with federaly. NSW is a key state for Greens to surpass the 20% federal primary vote, on it's way to government. Okay. I will answer it for you, 0 in the NT, and 0 in WA. The Greens have 1/93 seats in NSW, 0/89 in QLD, and 0/88 in VIC. So, as a collective, in the three biggest states, the Greens have 1/270 seats. Very impressive. When do you think the Greens will form a federal government? My prediction is 2000 and never. I dont think he has yet worked out that forming govt means you actually have to win seats - and more than everyone else. Calling him clueless is being generous.

He just keeps going and going, facts be damned! If the QLD election wasn't enough to make him see, then nothing will. I am starting to think that it's just an exercise in attention-seeking. Did you see that other idiotic Green the other day, called "Green Light"? H/she said that they too thought that the Greens would form government, and were smart enough to realise that it wouldn't be in the next few elections, but the Greens would "gain at least 20 lower house seats"! This is typical of the Greens, just look at Bob Brown, he too believes that the Greens will form government. This demonstrates why they will get nowhere; they are devoid of fact and truth, and full od fantasy and delusion.

How will Adam go when preferenced last at the next election? Apparently Labor and Liberal have both agreed to preference each other over him, and the Greens in Melbourne Ports.

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:57pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:53pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:44pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:19pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:07pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:58pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:53pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm: I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit. It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor. All I have drawn from all this wishful thinking about the Greens, is that the Hard Right fear the Greens greater than we realised. No wonder they want to preference Gillard over Greens. They see Labor as less of a threat than us growing Greens. Yes, I see the Greens as such a threat. How many seats did they win in the QLD election, again?? How many seats will they win this year in the NT? How many next year in WA? Yes, Some state Greens do have work in front of them. In Queensland state Greens have the potential of surpassing Labor and gaining government when the swing back to the progressives happen. And it will. Meanwhile, this topic is federal politics  and Greens can and will make inroads into the coalition support base. Greens know this, Labor knows this, and although Regressive Neo Cons will not admit it, they know Greens are their greatest threat in the longer term. Look, if you really believe any of this, then I pity you. Good luck with that, let's see how it goes. How many seats will the Greens win in the NT this year, and WA next year? I'm in NSW so my attention is to growing support in this state, along with federaly. NSW is a key state for Greens to surpass the 20% federal primary vote, on it's way to government. Okay. I will answer it for you, 0 in the NT, and 0 in WA. The Greens have 1/93 seats in NSW, 0/89 in QLD, and 0/88 in VIC. So, as a collective, in the three biggest states, the Greens have 1/270 seats. Very impressive. When do you think the Greens will form a federal government? My prediction is 2000 and never. When the time is right. Greens are on the verge of 21 and leaving our parent to make our own way in the world. Greens now have the fountain to lead Australia and a democratic world government. now you just sound like a fool. Even by your own lamentable standards, that post is as illogical and fantasy-drive as you've done. Your reacting to my posts speaks volumes. Your reaction reinforces your underline fear of the Greens.

you mistake fear for laughter.

idiot

You shouldnt call people idiots when you believe in fairy tales longy

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:08pm:

____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:57pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:53pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:44pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:19pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:07pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:58pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:53pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm: I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit. It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor. All I have drawn from all this wishful thinking about the Greens, is that the Hard Right fear the Greens greater than we realised. No wonder they want to preference Gillard over Greens. They see Labor as less of a threat than us growing Greens. Yes, I see the Greens as such a threat. How many seats did they win in the QLD election, again?? How many seats will they win this year in the NT? How many next year in WA? Yes, Some state Greens do have work in front of them. In Queensland state Greens have the potential of surpassing Labor and gaining government when the swing back to the progressives happen. And it will. Meanwhile, this topic is federal politics  and Greens can and will make inroads into the coalition support base. Greens know this, Labor knows this, and although Regressive Neo Cons will not admit it, they know Greens are their greatest threat in the longer term. Look, if you really believe any of this, then I pity you. Good luck with that, let's see how it goes. How many seats will the Greens win in the NT this year, and WA next year? I'm in NSW so my attention is to growing support in this state, along with federaly. NSW is a key state for Greens to surpass the 20% federal primary vote, on it's way to government. Okay. I will answer it for you, 0 in the NT, and 0 in WA. The Greens have 1/93 seats in NSW, 0/89 in QLD, and 0/88 in VIC. So, as a collective, in the three biggest states, the Greens have 1/270 seats. Very impressive. When do you think the Greens will form a federal government? My prediction is 2000 and never. When the time is right. Greens are on the verge of 21 and leaving our parent to make our own way in the world. Greens now have the fountain to lead Australia and a democratic world government. now you just sound like a fool. Even by your own lamentable standards, that post is as illogical and fantasy-drive as you've done. Your reacting to my posts speaks volumes. Your reaction reinforces your underline fear of the Greens. you mistake fear for laughter. idiot

All the name calling you do just reflects on your own self worth doubts.

Did they hurt you when you were a child, belittling you so much.

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:06pm:

How will Adam go when preferenced last at the next election? Apparently Labor and Liberal have both agreed to preference each other over him, and the Greens in Melbourne Ports.

The Libs cant win the seat but they can choose who does. I think they's prefer a labor MP they can actually negotiate with that an egotistical arrogant dimwit like Bandt.

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:06pm:

How will Adam go when preferenced last at the next election? Apparently Labor and Liberal have both agreed to preference each other over him, and the Greens in Melbourne Ports.

People of Melbourne will decide in 18 month on how well Adam has done.

If he does hold on after LibLab swapping preferences, what then for the old parties.

What then as more Greens are voted in and LibLab have thrown their best shot and lost.

Will you guys then realise Greens do have the potential of tossing out the Bastards and one day forming majority government or minority governments with the Independents.

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:08pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:57pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:53pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:44pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:19pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:07pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:58pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:53pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm: I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit. It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor. All I have drawn from all this wishful thinking about the Greens, is that the Hard Right fear the Greens greater than we realised. No wonder they want to preference Gillard over Greens. They see Labor as less of a threat than us growing Greens. Yes, I see the Greens as such a threat. How many seats did they win in the QLD election, again?? How many seats will they win this year in the NT? How many next year in WA? Yes, Some state Greens do have work in front of them. In Queensland state Greens have the potential of surpassing Labor and gaining government when the swing back to the progressives happen. And it will. Meanwhile, this topic is federal politics  and Greens can and will make inroads into the coalition support base. Greens know this, Labor knows this, and although Regressive Neo Cons will not admit it, they know Greens are their greatest threat in the longer term. Look, if you really believe any of this, then I pity you. Good luck with that, let's see how it goes. How many seats will the Greens win in the NT this year, and WA next year? I'm in NSW so my attention is to growing support in this state, along with federaly. NSW is a key state for Greens to surpass the 20% federal primary vote, on it's way to government. Okay. I will answer it for you, 0 in the NT, and 0 in WA. The Greens have 1/93 seats in NSW, 0/89 in QLD, and 0/88 in VIC. So, as a collective, in the three biggest states, the Greens have 1/270 seats. Very impressive. When do you think the Greens will form a federal government? My prediction is 2000 and never. When the time is right. Greens are on the verge of 21 and leaving our parent to make our own way in the world. Greens now have the fountain to lead Australia and a democratic world government. now you just sound like a fool. Even by your own lamentable standards, that post is as illogical and fantasy-drive as you've done. Your reacting to my posts speaks volumes. Your reaction reinforces your underline fear of the Greens. you mistake fear for laughter. idiot All the name calling you do just reflects on your own self worth doubts. Did they hurt you when you were a child, belittling you so much.

poor diddums... you too will one day get a name, a life and who knows... even a bath.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:17pm:

____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:11pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:08pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:02pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:57pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:53pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:44pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:19pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 2:07pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:58pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:53pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:46pm: I can't see how anyone can actually that the Greens are communists, when Brown (who is supposed to be the most moderate in the party) has blatantly advocated for a one world government. He did so as recently as two weeks ago. The Greens are past their peak. They were completely irrelevant in the QLD election, and I expect that dipsh!t Larissa Waters to lose her seat come next election. QLD and the NT want nothing to do with the Greens, apart from the sole anomaly of Waters (QLD), who should definitely lose her seat. A pity that the other 6 states and territories don't follow suit. It won't matter though. Labor and Greens = COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION. Now is the time, in my opinion, for a strong second party to emerge, and take over the place of Labor. All I have drawn from all this wishful thinking about the Greens, is that the Hard Right fear the Greens greater than we realised. No wonder they want to preference Gillard over Greens. They see Labor as less of a threat than us growing Greens. Yes, I see the Greens as such a threat. How many seats did they win in the QLD election, again?? How many seats will they win this year in the NT? How many next year in WA? Yes, Some state Greens do have work in front of them. In Queensland state Greens have the potential of surpassing Labor and gaining government when the swing back to the progressives happen. And it will. Meanwhile, this topic is federal politics  and Greens can and will make inroads into the coalition support base. Greens know this, Labor knows this, and although Regressive Neo Cons will not admit it, they know Greens are their greatest threat in the longer term. Look, if you really believe any of this, then I pity you. Good luck with that, let's see how it goes. How many seats will the Greens win in the NT this year, and WA next year? I'm in NSW so my attention is to growing support in this state, along with federaly. NSW is a key state for Greens to surpass the 20% federal primary vote, on it's way to government. Okay. I will answer it for you, 0 in the NT, and 0 in WA. The Greens have 1/93 seats in NSW, 0/89 in QLD, and 0/88 in VIC. So, as a collective, in the three biggest states, the Greens have 1/270 seats. Very impressive. When do you think the Greens will form a federal government? My prediction is 2000 and never. When the time is right. Greens are on the verge of 21 and leaving our parent to make our own way in the world. Greens now have the fountain to lead Australia and a democratic world government. now you just sound like a fool. Even by your own lamentable standards, that post is as illogical and fantasy-drive as you've done. Your reacting to my posts speaks volumes. Your reaction reinforces your underline fear of the Greens. you mistake fear for laughter. idiot All the name calling you do just reflects on your own self worth doubts. Did they hurt you when you were a child, belittling you so much. poor diddums... you too will one day get a name, a life and who knows... even a bath.

Back to the drawing board mister. Your facade is collapsing. Your attacks mask your own self doubt.

so says the turd with a collpasing vote for his party. everytime you go to an election you get LESS.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:13pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:06pm: How will Adam go when preferenced last at the next election? Apparently Labor and Liberal have both agreed to preference each other over him, and the Greens in Melbourne Ports. The Libs cant win the seat but they can choose who does. I think they's prefer a labor MP they can actually negotiate with that an egotistical arrogant dimwit like Bandt.

I agree. I think that it was a mistake to preference the Greens. They admitted that, and accordingly preferenced the Greens last in the 2010 VIC election. Needless to say, they won no seats. I was completely baffled at the decision of any Liberal/National to preference the Greens ahead of Labor. I don't think that it will happen next election in any seats. Bandt does come off as a completely arrogant little narcissist. I would hate to see him in real life.

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:17pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:06pm: How will Adam go when preferenced last at the next election? Apparently Labor and Liberal have both agreed to preference each other over him, and the Greens in Melbourne Ports. People of Melbourne will decide in 18 month on how well Adam has done. If he does hold on after LibLab swapping preferences, what then for the old parties. What then as more Greens are voted in and LibLab have thrown their best shot and lost. Will you guys then realise Greens do have the potential of tossing out the Bastards and one day forming majority government or minority governments with the Independents.

Yes, keep believing that. Get back to me when they've won even 2 lower house seats. At the moment, they are likely to have 0 after the next election.

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:26pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:13pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:06pm: How will Adam go when preferenced last at the next election? Apparently Labor and Liberal have both agreed to preference each other over him, and the Greens in Melbourne Ports. The Libs cant win the seat but they can choose who does. I think they's prefer a labor MP they can actually negotiate with that an egotistical arrogant dimwit like Bandt. I agree. I think that it was a mistake to preference the Greens. They admitted that, and accordingly preferenced the Greens last in the 2010 VIC election. Needless to say, they won no seats. I was completely baffled at the decision of any Liberal/National to preference the Greens ahead of Labor. I don't think that it will happen next election in any seats. Bandt does come off as a completely arrogant little narcissist. I would hate to see him in real life.

I spoke to him a few weeks after he won his seat. He is a quite unpleasant arrogant little toad. And that was pretty much what most people in the room thought as well.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:30pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:26pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:13pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:06pm: How will Adam go when preferenced last at the next election? Apparently Labor and Liberal have both agreed to preference each other over him, and the Greens in Melbourne Ports. The Libs cant win the seat but they can choose who does. I think they's prefer a labor MP they can actually negotiate with that an egotistical arrogant dimwit like Bandt. I agree. I think that it was a mistake to preference the Greens. They admitted that, and accordingly preferenced the Greens last in the 2010 VIC election. Needless to say, they won no seats. I was completely baffled at the decision of any Liberal/National to preference the Greens ahead of Labor. I don't think that it will happen next election in any seats. Bandt does come off as a completely arrogant little narcissist. I would hate to see him in real life. I spoke to him a few weeks after he won his seat. He is a quite unpleasant arrogant little toad. And that was pretty much what most people in the room thought as well.

Really? Poor you, I wouldn't have been able to stomach it. You can really tell how pollies would be in real life. One of my mates spoke to Oakeshott early last year. He said that he was a complete dill, and thought that he could still retain his seat. My mother met Whitlam, and said that was a pretty nice bloke.

Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though.

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:30pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:26pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:13pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:06pm: How will Adam go when preferenced last at the next election? Apparently Labor and Liberal have both agreed to preference each other over him, and the Greens in Melbourne Ports. The Libs cant win the seat but they can choose who does. I think they's prefer a labor MP they can actually negotiate with that an egotistical arrogant dimwit like Bandt. I agree. I think that it was a mistake to preference the Greens. They admitted that, and accordingly preferenced the Greens last in the 2010 VIC election. Needless to say, they won no seats. I was completely baffled at the decision of any Liberal/National to preference the Greens ahead of Labor. I don't think that it will happen next election in any seats. Bandt does come off as a completely arrogant little narcissist. I would hate to see him in real life. I spoke to him a few weeks after he won his seat. He is a quite unpleasant arrogant little toad. And that was pretty much what most people in the room thought as well. Really? Poor you, I wouldn't have been able to stomach it. You can really tell how pollies would be in real life. One of my mates spoke to Oakeshott early last year. He said that he was a complete dill, and thought that he could still retain his seat. My mother met Whitlam, and said that was a pretty nice bloke.

There were about 300 people in the room and the body language made it clear that most thought he was an arrogant tool - none moreso  than the (then ) Vic Labor minister sharing a podium with him. Ive spoken to other ministers and MPs before. None have been such a slimeball as this one. It was his whole 'presence'. Not a pleasant person at all.

and of course Oakeshott is a dill. 99.99% of the population agrees with that assessment.

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:38pm:

Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though.

You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election.

MOTR wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:38pm: Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though. You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election.

A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word
B) it is not necssary
C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world
D) it is hated by 2/3 of people

so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion.

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:17pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:06pm: How will Adam go when preferenced last at the next election? Apparently Labor and Liberal have both agreed to preference each other over him, and the Greens in Melbourne Ports. People of Melbourne will decide in 18 month on how well Adam has done. If he does hold on after LibLab swapping preferences, what then for the old parties. What then as more Greens are voted in and LibLab have thrown their best shot and lost. Will you guys then realise Greens do have the potential of tossing out the Bastards and one day forming majority government or minority governments with the Independents. Yes, keep believing that. Get back to me when they've won even 2 lower house seats. At the moment, they are likely to have 0 after the next election.

And if this happens it will be at Labor and Liberal revealing that they are the same. Only appearing different to promote a facade of democracy.

People who flip between Lib and Lab are revealed as fools.

Fool the voters ones, shame on the old parties.

Fool the voters twice, same on the voters.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:39pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:33pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:30pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:26pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:13pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:06pm: How will Adam go when preferenced last at the next election? Apparently Labor and Liberal have both agreed to preference each other over him, and the Greens in Melbourne Ports. The Libs cant win the seat but they can choose who does. I think they's prefer a labor MP they can actually negotiate with that an egotistical arrogant dimwit like Bandt. I agree. I think that it was a mistake to preference the Greens. They admitted that, and accordingly preferenced the Greens last in the 2010 VIC election. Needless to say, they won no seats. I was completely baffled at the decision of any Liberal/National to preference the Greens ahead of Labor. I don't think that it will happen next election in any seats. Bandt does come off as a completely arrogant little narcissist. I would hate to see him in real life. I spoke to him a few weeks after he won his seat. He is a quite unpleasant arrogant little toad. And that was pretty much what most people in the room thought as well. Really? Poor you, I wouldn't have been able to stomach it. You can really tell how pollies would be in real life. One of my mates spoke to Oakeshott early last year. He said that he was a complete dill, and thought that he could still retain his seat. My mother met Whitlam, and said that was a pretty nice bloke. There were about 300 people in the room and the body language made it clear that most thought he was an arrogant tool - none moreso  than the (then ) Vic Labor minister sharing a podium with him. Ive spoken to other ministers and MPs before. None have been such a slimeball as this one. It was his whole 'presence'. Not a pleasant person at all. and of course Oakeshott is a dill. 99.99% of the population agrees with that assessment.

So, he's exactly as he comes off on screen then. He has delusions of grandeur. I don't know what I am going to enjoy more next election; Oakeshott losing, Bandt losing, Swan losing, or the overall whitewash. It's going to be so good to watch. I loved watching the QLD election, and I am not even from there.

I have met several MPs, all except one were from the Coalition. Very nice and pleasant. You can just tell from tv, how they are in real life, though. It's always easy to tell.

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:27pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:17pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:06pm: How will Adam go when preferenced last at the next election? Apparently Labor and Liberal have both agreed to preference each other over him, and the Greens in Melbourne Ports. People of Melbourne will decide in 18 month on how well Adam has done. If he does hold on after LibLab swapping preferences, what then for the old parties. What then as more Greens are voted in and LibLab have thrown their best shot and lost. Will you guys then realise Greens do have the potential of tossing out the Bastards and one day forming majority government or minority governments with the Independents. Yes, keep believing that. Get back to me when they've won even 2 lower house seats. At the moment, they are likely to have 0 after the next election. And if this happens it will be at Labor and Liberal revealing that they are the same. Only appearing different to promote a facade of democracy. People who flip between Lib and Lab are revealed as fools. Fool the voters ones, shame on the old parties. Fool the voters twice, same on the voters.

you actually believe this tripe, dont you.

I thought you were just playing...

you are a true idiot's idiot.

MOTR wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:38pm: Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though. You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election.

In YOUR opinion. Your opinion does not make it the truth. Also, if it is so great, then why did Gillard and Swan categorically rule it out before the last election?

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:27pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:17pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:06pm: How will Adam go when preferenced last at the next election? Apparently Labor and Liberal have both agreed to preference each other over him, and the Greens in Melbourne Ports. People of Melbourne will decide in 18 month on how well Adam has done. If he does hold on after LibLab swapping preferences, what then for the old parties. What then as more Greens are voted in and LibLab have thrown their best shot and lost. Will you guys then realise Greens do have the potential of tossing out the Bastards and one day forming majority government or minority governments with the Independents. Yes, keep believing that. Get back to me when they've won even 2 lower house seats. At the moment, they are likely to have 0 after the next election. And if this happens it will be at Labor and Liberal revealing that they are the same. Only appearing different to promote a facade of democracy. People who flip between Lib and Lab are revealed as fools. Fool the voters ones, shame on the old parties. Fool the voters twice, same on the voters.

Yes, whatever. Get back to me when the Greens manage even 2 federal lower house seats.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:47pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:38pm: Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though. You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election. A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word B) it is not necssary C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world D) it is hated by 2/3 of people so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion.

It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity.

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:57pm:

____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:52pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:27pm: ____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:17pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:06pm: How will Adam go when preferenced last at the next election? Apparently Labor and Liberal have both agreed to preference each other over him, and the Greens in Melbourne Ports. People of Melbourne will decide in 18 month on how well Adam has done. If he does hold on after LibLab swapping preferences, what then for the old parties. What then as more Greens are voted in and LibLab have thrown their best shot and lost. Will you guys then realise Greens do have the potential of tossing out the Bastards and one day forming majority government or minority governments with the Independents. Yes, keep believing that. Get back to me when they've won even 2 lower house seats. At the moment, they are likely to have 0 after the next election. And if this happens it will be at Labor and Liberal revealing that they are the same. Only appearing different to promote a facade of democracy. People who flip between Lib and Lab are revealed as fools. Fool the voters ones, shame on the old parties. Fool the voters twice, same on the voters. Yes, whatever. Get back to me when the Greens manage even 2 federal lower house seats.

Why, who are you when you are home.

Greens mission is to change the world, not to keep pretend Greens supporters who lie at every corner entertained.

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:52pm: MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:47pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:38pm: Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though. You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election. A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word B) it is not necssary C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world D) it is hated by 2/3 of people so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion. It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity.

Cmon we all know abbott is a puppet like the rest of him, he has no credibility or intergrity like all politicans at his level

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:52pm: MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:47pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:38pm: Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though. You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election. A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word B) it is not necssary C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world D) it is hated by 2/3 of people so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion. It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity.

True, Matty, but what's Mr Abbott's stance on animal welfare?

The Libs have been a bit quiet on that front lately.

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:52pm: MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:47pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:38pm: Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though. You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election. A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word B) it is not necssary C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world D) it is hated by 2/3 of people so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion. It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity.

Only way Abbott can remove Australia from climate action is by putting his head in the sand.

Climate inaction by Abbott will destroy Australia's agriculture.

And so destroy the National Party.

I wonder why no body bothers to make comprehensive OPs any more. This is on its 6th pageand not one person has even posted on topic.

every single poster has reverted to type, adopted their usual position without a single reference whatsoever to the actual topic.

it is beyond pointless.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 4:23pm:

I wonder why no body bothers to make comprehensive OPs any more. This is on its 6th pageand not one person has even posted on topic. every single poster has reverted to type, adopted their usual position without a single reference whatsoever to the actual topic. it is beyond pointless.

Followed your lead of dumbing down.

D'oh !i

.

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:52pm: MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:47pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:38pm: Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though. You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election. A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word B) it is not necssary C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world D) it is hated by 2/3 of people so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion. It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity.

I'm not saying he absolutely won't repeal it, he might be unlucky enough to gain control of the senate and then feel politically compelled to repeal the tax. What I'm saying is that sooner or later this country will have a price on carbon and all Abbott is doing is stalling our shift to the new economic paradigm. If we are lucky he might bring forward the ETS in lieu of the tax. Thereby maintaining some semblance of economic responsibility while technically maintaining his commitment to the Australian Public.

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:52pm: MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:47pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:38pm: Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though. You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election. A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word B) it is not necssary C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world D) it is hated by 2/3 of people so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion. It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity.

This is my take on what will happen....(from an earlier thread).


Kat wrote: - "My bet is that, upon attaining power, Toe-nail will 'discover' any number of
reasons why the CT 'can't' be abolished. These reasons will, of course, be
blamed on Labor.

They will also, of course, be highly fictitious.

BUT, I also predict that he will find NO such impediment to
clawing back every cent of any compensation paid.

I may be wrong, but I doubt it very much. "

MOTR wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:59pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:52pm: MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:47pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:38pm: Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though. You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election. A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word B) it is not necssary C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world D) it is hated by 2/3 of people so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion. It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity. I'm not saying he absolutely won't repeal it, he might be unlucky enough to gain control of the senate and then feel politically compelled to repeal the tax. What I'm saying is that sooner or later this country will have a price on carbon and all Abbott is doing is stalling our shift to the new economic paradigm. If we are lucky he might bring forward the ETS in lieu of the tax. Thereby maintaining some semblance of economic responsibility while technically maintaining his commitment to the Australian Public.

Why do you think it is inevitable? almost no one else is doing it and those that have found it a failure and in difficult economic times it is hardly the kind of policy that will find favour. And, like it or not, the public is growing increasingly scpetical of climate hysteria. there is already very little support for the carbon tax and little sign of that changing. Quit simply, the mood has shifted and nothing is changing that.

DDs are very unpopular with the parties that force them. If labor refuses to repeal the CT in response to a landslide liberal win and mandate they run the risk of savage attacks by the people whod ouwld claim(rightly) that labor is trying to thwart their wishes. Abbott knows the mere threat of a DD will probably get the CT repealed. But if not, an actual DD will certainly do it plus inflict further damage on the ALP.

Kat wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:59pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:52pm: MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:47pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:38pm: Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though. You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election. A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word B) it is not necssary C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world D) it is hated by 2/3 of people so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion. It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity. This is my take on what will happen....(from an earlier thread). Kat wrote: - "My bet is that, upon attaining power, Toe-nail will 'discover' any number of reasons why the CT 'can't' be abolished. These reasons will, of course, be blamed on Labor. They will also, of course, be highly fictitious. BUT, I also predict that he will find NO such impediment to clawing back every cent of any compensation paid. I may be wrong, but I doubt it very much. "

yes, you will be wrong. but why would you coimplain? you arent voting for him anyhow.

What's with the sheer and utter hatred of the Greens, Longy?

With you it's pathological and that can't be healthy.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 4:23pm:

I wonder why no body bothers to make comprehensive OPs any more. This is on its 6th pageand not one person has even posted on topic. every single poster has reverted to type, adopted their usual position without a single reference whatsoever to the actual topic. it is beyond pointless.

It was a very good post, longy. If anything, the problem is that it was spot on, and there is nothing to add the Greens and Labor supporters cannot defend the very detailed facts that you cited, and I completely agree with you. The Greens have peaked, and they're on the road to absolute nowhere. If they are still polling about 1/3 of Labor's vote, when Labor is in the state that they are now, what possible hope do they have?

MOTR wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:59pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:52pm: MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:47pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:38pm: Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though. You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election. A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word B) it is not necssary C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world D) it is hated by 2/3 of people so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion. It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity. I'm not saying he absolutely won't repeal it, he might be unlucky enough to gain control of the senate and then feel politically compelled to repeal the tax. What I'm saying is that sooner or later this country will have a price on carbon and all Abbott is doing is stalling our shift to the new economic paradigm. If we are lucky he might bring forward the ETS in lieu of the tax. Thereby maintaining some semblance of economic responsibility while technically maintaining his commitment to the Australian Public.

I really don't know where you're getting these ideas. Why is it inevitable? The USA doesn't have one, neither does the UK, neither does China, India, Russia, Brazil or Canada. I mean, which countries actually do?

Kat wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:59pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:52pm: MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:47pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:38pm: Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though. You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election. A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word B) it is not necssary C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world D) it is hated by 2/3 of people so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion. It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity. This is my take on what will happen....(from an earlier thread). Kat wrote: - "My bet is that, upon attaining power, Toe-nail will 'discover' any number of reasons why the CT 'can't' be abolished. These reasons will, of course, be blamed on Labor. They will also, of course, be highly fictitious. BUT, I also predict that he will find NO such impediment to clawing back every cent of any compensation paid. I may be wrong, but I doubt it very much. "

Kat, how did you come to this conclusion? It's as wrong as saying that I want the poor to pay more than the middle/upper class.

Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 5:44pm:

What's with the sheer and utter hatred of the Greens, Longy? With you it's pathological and that can't be healthy.

Longy's views, and my views, for that matter, are shared by the majority of Australians. Most Australians DESPISE the Greens.

The Nationals need to develop their water policy to counter the city socialists. 8-)

____ wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 1:11pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:03pm: Simply by announcing a focus on rural seats she makes the Nationals deliver more than they have!! Alll rivers flow into the sea.... sustainablity is where it has to go one way or the other so morally THE GREENS WIN THE ARGUMENT. THIS IS CALLED THE MORAL LAW: it logically should lead to an increase in votes all things staying the same, but they won't as the Nats will be forced to make changes and changes they will make as the threat is very real!! THE GAME IS PLAYING ITSELF,... CHRISTINE WILL GAIN A REPUTATION FOR MAKING THINGS COME TOGETHER AS A CONSEQUENCE.  ;) ;) Christine will win support in the bush. Just the attack by the CSG industry along with the old parties, the rural voter can use the Greens to fight this attack. All Greens require in the near future is more attention on educating voters on our economic ability.

Yes, the CSG might be a usable platform for the Greens.....(for those farmers that don't want to earn money from the pumping stations)....however, unless the Greens modify their stance on other subjects, they won't make too much headway in the bush.

As a friend of a friend put it..."I won't vote Greens, because I like to hunt and fish"...

Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 5:44pm:

What's with the sheer and utter hatred of the Greens, Longy? With you it's pathological and that can't be healthy.

I think 'pathological' is a word you reead somewhere and use without knowing what it means. Heres a suggestion: look it up and learm. In the meantime how about respond to an analysis in the same spirit as it was given - comprehensively and intelligently.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 6:34pm:

____ wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:11pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 1:03pm: Simply by announcing a focus on rural seats she makes the Nationals deliver more than they have!! Alll rivers flow into the sea.... sustainablity is where it has to go one way or the other so morally THE GREENS WIN THE ARGUMENT. THIS IS CALLED THE MORAL LAW: it logically should lead to an increase in votes all things staying the same, but they won't as the Nats will be forced to make changes and changes they will make as the threat is very real!! THE GAME IS PLAYING ITSELF,... CHRISTINE WILL GAIN A REPUTATION FOR MAKING THINGS COME TOGETHER AS A CONSEQUENCE.  ;) ;) Christine will win support in the bush. Just the attack by the CSG industry along with the old parties, the rural voter can use the Greens to fight this attack. All Greens require in the near future is more attention on educating voters on our economic ability. Yes, the CSG might be a usable platform for the Greens.....(for those farmers that don't want to earn money from the pumping stations)....however, unless the Greens modify their stance on other subjects, they won't make too much headway in the bush. As a friend of a friend put it..."I won't vote Greens, because I like to hunt and fish"...

well the Greens are anti dams for one thing. Out in the bush that is about as dumb as you can get.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 6:36pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 5:44pm: What's with the sheer and utter hatred of the Greens, Longy? With you it's pathological and that can't be healthy. I think 'pathological' is a word you reead somewhere and use without knowing what it means. Heres a suggestion: look it up and learm. In the meantime how about respond to an analysis in the same spirit as it was given - comprehensively and intelligently.

On here? naaaaa, it ain't f-ckin' worth the effort.

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 6:18pm:

Kat wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 4:50pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:59pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:52pm: MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:47pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:38pm: Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though. You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election. A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word B) it is not necssary C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world D) it is hated by 2/3 of people so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion. It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity. This is my take on what will happen....(from an earlier thread). Kat wrote: - "My bet is that, upon attaining power, Toe-nail will 'discover' any number of reasons why the CT 'can't' be abolished. These reasons will, of course, be blamed on Labor. They will also, of course, be highly fictitious. BUT, I also predict that he will find NO such impediment to clawing back every cent of any compensation paid. I may be wrong, but I doubt it very much. " Kat, how did you come to this conclusion? It's as wrong as saying that I want the poor to pay more than the middle/upper class.

No, actually it's not.

It's certainly not impossible.

Remember when the NSW state govt (Carr) wanted to abolish some
motorway tolls a few years ago?

He found that the previous govt had signed a contract with ironclad
guarantees of MASSIVE compensation to the (private) contractor.

He wouldn't spend taxpayers' money to do that, so the tolls remained.

Would YOU be naive enough to believe that the Red Dalek wouldn't
set a similar trap for the Toe-nail?


No, don't bother, we know the answer....

Kat wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 6:52pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 6:18pm: Kat wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 4:50pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:59pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:52pm: MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:47pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:38pm: Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though. You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election. A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word B) it is not necssary C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world D) it is hated by 2/3 of people so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion. It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity. This is my take on what will happen....(from an earlier thread). Kat wrote: - "My bet is that, upon attaining power, Toe-nail will 'discover' any number of reasons why the CT 'can't' be abolished. These reasons will, of course, be blamed on Labor. They will also, of course, be highly fictitious. BUT, I also predict that he will find NO such impediment to clawing back every cent of any compensation paid. I may be wrong, but I doubt it very much. " Kat, how did you come to this conclusion? It's as wrong as saying that I want the poor to pay more than the middle/upper class. No, actually it's not. It's certainly not impossible. Remember when the NSW state govt (Carr) wanted to abolish some motorway tolls a few years ago? He found that the previous govt had signed a contract with ironclad guarantees of MASSIVE compensation to the (private) contractor. He wouldn't spend taxpayers' money to do that, so the tolls remained. Would YOU be naive enough to believe that the Red Dalek wouldn't set a similar trap for the Toe-nail? No, don't bother, we know the answer....

You mean like this story says about Carr

Bob Carr had joined Macquarie, some said with unseemly haste, in October 2005, just three months after his 10-year stint as premier of NSW. It was a time of prosperity for NSW, and far greater prosperity for Macquarie.

Under Carr's Labor government, and the Liberals which preceded him for that matter, Macquarie put its foot on most of the toll road concessions around Sydney. These were to become the bastions of the bank's profit-churning powerhouse.

and more
http://m.smh.com.au/business/macquarie-on-rocky-road-as-carr-rides-off-20120308-1unbq.html

or are you talking about the cross city tunnel debacle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_City_Tunnel

Kat wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 6:52pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 6:18pm: Kat wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 4:50pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:59pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:52pm: MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:47pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:38pm: Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though. You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election. A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word B) it is not necssary C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world D) it is hated by 2/3 of people so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion. It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity. This is my take on what will happen....(from an earlier thread). Kat wrote: - "My bet is that, upon attaining power, Toe-nail will 'discover' any number of reasons why the CT 'can't' be abolished. These reasons will, of course, be blamed on Labor. They will also, of course, be highly fictitious. BUT, I also predict that he will find NO such impediment to clawing back every cent of any compensation paid. I may be wrong, but I doubt it very much. " Kat, how did you come to this conclusion? It's as wrong as saying that I want the poor to pay more than the middle/upper class. No, actually it's not. It's certainly not impossible. Remember when the NSW state govt (Carr) wanted to abolish some motorway tolls a few years ago? He found that the previous govt had signed a contract with ironclad guarantees of MASSIVE compensation to the (private) contractor. He wouldn't spend taxpayers' money to do that, so the tolls remained. Would YOU be naive enough to believe that the Red Dalek wouldn't set a similar trap for the Toe-nail? No, don't bother, we know the answer....

I wouldn't put anything past Gillard, but Tony Abbott will move heaven and earth to repeal it, Kat. I thought that you, yourself were vehemently against it.

Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 5:44pm:

What's with the sheer and utter hatred of the Greens, Longy? With you it's pathological and that can't be healthy.

I don't know about Longy, but my reasons are, the Greens take environmentalism much too far...
Supporting animal rights, trees (plant life generally), anti-nuclear WEAPONS etc are all well and good.....BUT considering any of these things more important than your own species, is taking it to a ridiculous level..

I'm in favour of caring for plants and animals, but only up to the point where humanity doesn't suffer detrimental effects...

matty wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:20pm:

Kat wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 6:52pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 6:18pm: Kat wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 4:50pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:59pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:52pm: MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:47pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:38pm: Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though. You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election. A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word B) it is not necssary C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world D) it is hated by 2/3 of people so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion. It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity. This is my take on what will happen....(from an earlier thread). Kat wrote: - "My bet is that, upon attaining power, Toe-nail will 'discover' any number of reasons why the CT 'can't' be abolished. These reasons will, of course, be blamed on Labor. They will also, of course, be highly fictitious. BUT, I also predict that he will find NO such impediment to clawing back every cent of any compensation paid. I may be wrong, but I doubt it very much. " Kat, how did you come to this conclusion? It's as wrong as saying that I want the poor to pay more than the middle/upper class. No, actually it's not. It's certainly not impossible. Remember when the NSW state govt (Carr) wanted to abolish some motorway tolls a few years ago? He found that the previous govt had signed a contract with ironclad guarantees of MASSIVE compensation to the (private) contractor. He wouldn't spend taxpayers' money to do that, so the tolls remained. Would YOU be naive enough to believe that the Red Dalek wouldn't set a similar trap for the Toe-nail? No, don't bother, we know the answer.... I wouldn't put anything past Gillard, but Tony Abbott will move heaven and earth to repeal it, Kat. I thought that you, yourself were vehemently against it.

I am, but there isn't much I'd put past the Red Dalek.

It wouldn't surprise me what she'd do to make it hard or impossible to repeal.

And it could be done.....

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:21pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 5:44pm: What's with the sheer and utter hatred of the Greens, Longy? With you it's pathological and that can't be healthy. I don't know about Longy, but my reasons are, the Greens take environmentalism much too far... Supporting animal rights, trees (plant life generally), anti-nuclear WEAPONS etc are all well and good.....BUT considering any of these things more important than your own species, is taking it to a ridiculous level.. I'm in favour of caring for plants and animals, but only up to the point where humanity doesn't suffer detrimental effects...

From that post I can only assume you think the human race lives outside the natural world.
If you think we can live on our own check out what the predictions are if the humble honey bee disappears.
We are as much a part of the natural environment as the lowiest maggot.
Everything has a place.
Unfortunately the coal mine overcomes any natural element no matter how important us or any other species.

Kat wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 6:52pm:

matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 6:18pm: Kat wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 4:50pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:59pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:52pm: MOTR wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:47pm: matty wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:38pm: Here is a theory of mine about what may happen after the next election. It's a very long-shot, but you never know. If Labor blocks the repeal of the carbon tax in the Senate, they will be forever tainted as in Coalition with them. If, however, they had the pride to admit that the carbon tax was forced upon them (as if most Labor MPs actually support the tax itself) from the Greens, and that they apologise and/or realise that it was the wrong thing to do, they would probably reclaim A LOT of lost support. They would also, of course, be abiding by the electorate's wish. Not very likely to happen, though. You don't get it. This is a necessary reform that will happen. The Libs are playing politics with it and that will be remembered long after the next election. A) it is not a reform by even any loose meaning of the word B) it is not necssary C) it has no chance of acheiveing its objectives since it has failed everywhere else in the world D) it is hated by 2/3 of people so why not get rid of something no one wants, wont work but will at least damage our economy. The carbon tax WILL be repealed with a groundswell of public opinion. It's shameful and despicable how Labor/Green supporters are trying to conduct this smear campaign that Mr Abbott won't repeal it. It will be the very first thing that he does. His political future depends on it, and unlike Gillard, he actually possesses credibility and integrity. This is my take on what will happen....(from an earlier thread). Kat wrote: - "My bet is that, upon attaining power, Toe-nail will 'discover' any number of reasons why the CT 'can't' be abolished. These reasons will, of course, be blamed on Labor. They will also, of course, be highly fictitious. BUT, I also predict that he will find NO such impediment to clawing back every cent of any compensation paid. I may be wrong, but I doubt it very much. " Kat, how did you come to this conclusion? It's as wrong as saying that I want the poor to pay more than the middle/upper class. No, actually it's not. It's certainly not impossible. Remember when the NSW state govt (Carr) wanted to abolish some motorway tolls a few years ago? He found that the previous govt had signed a contract with ironclad guarantees of MASSIVE compensation to the (private) contractor. He wouldn't spend taxpayers' money to do that, so the tolls remained. Would YOU be naive enough to believe that the Red Dalek wouldn't set a similar trap for the Toe-nail? No, don't bother, we know the answer....

Here is your clue... federal legislation is open to EVERYONE to peruse. the tolls you refer to were comercial-in-confidence contracts which were NOT open to disclosure.

whats with this 'toe-nail' term? it doesnt make any sense whatsoever and makes you sound rather silly.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:33pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:21pm: Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 5:44pm: What's with the sheer and utter hatred of the Greens, Longy? With you it's pathological and that can't be healthy. I don't know about Longy, but my reasons are, the Greens take environmentalism much too far... Supporting animal rights, trees (plant life generally), anti-nuclear WEAPONS etc are all well and good.....BUT considering any of these things more important than your own species, is taking it to a ridiculous level.. I'm in favour of caring for plants and animals, but only up to the point where humanity doesn't suffer detrimental effects... From that post I can only assume you think the human race lives outside the natural world. If you think we can live on our own check out what the predictions are if the humble honey bee disappears. We are as much a part of the natural environment as the lowiest maggot. Everything has a place. Unfortunately the coal mine overcomes any natural element no matter how important us or any other species.

No, we do live in the natural world...but, being a human, I feel humans are more important than maggots.....i.e we shouldn't kill off humans, just to feed maggots...

Um.....Toe-nail is a play on Tony.

And stating a fact, OR a possibility, is never silly.

Of course, those who disagree may see it that way, and that's their prerogative.

Doesn't alter the fact.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:51pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:33pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:21pm: Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 5:44pm: What's with the sheer and utter hatred of the Greens, Longy? With you it's pathological and that can't be healthy. I don't know about Longy, but my reasons are, the Greens take environmentalism much too far... Supporting animal rights, trees (plant life generally), anti-nuclear WEAPONS etc are all well and good.....BUT considering any of these things more important than your own species, is taking it to a ridiculous level.. I'm in favour of caring for plants and animals, but only up to the point where humanity doesn't suffer detrimental effects... From that post I can only assume you think the human race lives outside the natural world. If you think we can live on our own check out what the predictions are if the humble honey bee disappears. We are as much a part of the natural environment as the lowiest maggot. Everything has a place. Unfortunately the coal mine overcomes any natural element no matter how important us or any other species. No, we do live in the natural world...but, being a human, I feel humans are more important than maggots.....i.e we shouldn't kill off humans, just to feed maggots...

And what green policy is against the human race?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:51pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:33pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:21pm: Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 5:44pm: What's with the sheer and utter hatred of the Greens, Longy? With you it's pathological and that can't be healthy. I don't know about Longy, but my reasons are, the Greens take environmentalism much too far... Supporting animal rights, trees (plant life generally), anti-nuclear WEAPONS etc are all well and good.....BUT considering any of these things more important than your own species, is taking it to a ridiculous level.. I'm in favour of caring for plants and animals, but only up to the point where humanity doesn't suffer detrimental effects... From that post I can only assume you think the human race lives outside the natural world. If you think we can live on our own check out what the predictions are if the humble honey bee disappears. We are as much a part of the natural environment as the lowiest maggot. Everything has a place. Unfortunately the coal mine overcomes any natural element no matter how important us or any other species. No, we do live in the natural world...but, being a human, I feel humans are more important than maggots.....i.e we shouldn't kill off humans, just to feed maggots... And what green policy is against the human race?

Most of them...

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 5:27pm:

Why do you think it is inevitable? almost no one else is doing it and those that have found it a failure and in difficult economic times it is hardly the kind of policy that will find favour. And, like it or not, the public is growing increasingly scpetical of climate hysteria. there is already very little support for the carbon tax and little sign of that changing. Quit simply, the mood has shifted and nothing is changing that. DDs are very unpopular with the parties that force them. If labor refuses to repeal the CT in response to a landslide liberal win and mandate they run the risk of savage attacks by the people whod ouwld claim(rightly) that labor is trying to thwart their wishes. Abbott knows the mere threat of a DD will probably get the CT repealed. But if not, an actual DD will certainly do it plus inflict further damage on the ALP.

You're whole argument is based on the false premise that AGW is not real. If you take the time and investigate the science you'll find that global warming is real, we're responsible and the consequences are dire. The science is settled, there is just an illusion of a debate essentially played out within the political sphere. Last year in Durban, developed and developing countries agreed to adopt a universal legal agreement on climate change that will come into force by 2020. It may be happening slowly but there is no doubt we are heading towards a less carbon intensive global economy. Countries who deny this reality are going to be left technologically disadvantaged in this new economic paradigm. The most efficient and least intrusive way to reduce dependence on carbon intensive is through putting a price on carbon. I can guarantee that this is not just going to happen in Australia, but right around the world. It would be an absolute folly to stall our transition to renewable energies at this point.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:51pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:33pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:21pm: Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 5:44pm: What's with the sheer and utter hatred of the Greens, Longy? With you it's pathological and that can't be healthy. I don't know about Longy, but my reasons are, the Greens take environmentalism much too far... Supporting animal rights, trees (plant life generally), anti-nuclear WEAPONS etc are all well and good.....BUT considering any of these things more important than your own species, is taking it to a ridiculous level.. I'm in favour of caring for plants and animals, but only up to the point where humanity doesn't suffer detrimental effects... From that post I can only assume you think the human race lives outside the natural world. If you think we can live on our own check out what the predictions are if the humble honey bee disappears. We are as much a part of the natural environment as the lowiest maggot. Everything has a place. Unfortunately the coal mine overcomes any natural element no matter how important us or any other species. No, we do live in the natural world...but, being a human, I feel humans are more important than maggots.....i.e we shouldn't kill off humans, just to feed maggots...

Well, history & current events would seems to suggest, we will!

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 8:53pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:53pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:51pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:33pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:21pm: Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 5:44pm: What's with the sheer and utter hatred of the Greens, Longy? With you it's pathological and that can't be healthy. I don't know about Longy, but my reasons are, the Greens take environmentalism much too far... Supporting animal rights, trees (plant life generally), anti-nuclear WEAPONS etc are all well and good.....BUT considering any of these things more important than your own species, is taking it to a ridiculous level.. I'm in favour of caring for plants and animals, but only up to the point where humanity doesn't suffer detrimental effects... From that post I can only assume you think the human race lives outside the natural world. If you think we can live on our own check out what the predictions are if the humble honey bee disappears. We are as much a part of the natural environment as the lowiest maggot. Everything has a place. Unfortunately the coal mine overcomes any natural element no matter how important us or any other species. No, we do live in the natural world...but, being a human, I feel humans are more important than maggots.....i.e we shouldn't kill off humans, just to feed maggots... And what green policy is against the human race? Most of them...

Against the human race or against some humans making squillions?

Did he jump ?  Was he pushed ?

Whole thing's persuading me there's more than a pinch of truth in Palmer's claims

PZ547 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 6:11am:

Did he jump ?  Was he pushed ? Whole thing's persuading me there's more than a pinch of truth in Palmer's claims

Which claims?

great write-up longie

for what it's worthy - Bob Brown has been the mascot of the Greens for a very long time and that beacon is now replaced with barely a flicker in the form of Milne. She came out swinging this week taking air swings at both parties - she missed. Rhiannon is no better.

He's represented the one constant in this rabble they call a political party.

you correctly pointed out that both Milne and Rhiannon are fighting over the leadership - but what is the prize? I think Milne taking the leadership is a blessing in disguise for Rhiannon. When the Greens are decimated at the next election - chances are Bandt will no longer be in parliament. Neither Labor or Liberal will make that mistake again by referencing him. Not sure if her senate seat is up for re-election or not but if Milne survive she will have to make some interesting decisions then with Rhiannon breathing down her neck.

Where does this leave the Greens?

This carbon tax is to the Greens as what the GST is to the Democrats. The beginning of the end. The end of their relevance and influence.

The different between the GST and the Carbon Tax is - the latter will be repealed.

So it was all for nothing then?

Let Milne and Rhiannon fight it out. Let them destroy each other and along with it the hard work that Bob Brown has done to get the Greens to where it is at the 2010 election.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 12:12pm:

But what happens to the Greens themselves?   Bob Brown IS the Greens, not just its leader.

Business as USUAL. apparently ...



Newspoll
April 17, 2012

The Greens' vote, in the days after Bob Brown's surprise resignation as party leader on Friday, was steady, going from 11 per cent to 12 per cent.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/its-a-matter-of-trust-for-julia-gillard-as-labor-support-flatlines-in-newspoll/story-fn59niix-1226328243234

The right-wing are intimidated by us. They know that we're not going anywhere. A green government is very likely to arise in the foreseeable future. We are the biggest growing party, and have great new members coming through.

TheGreenLight wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 1:09pm:

The right-wing are intimidated by us. They know that we're not going anywhere. A green government is very likely to arise in the foreseeable future. We are the biggest growing party, and have great new members coming through.

Yes your lot did very well in the QLD election compared to the Australia party.  ;D

The greens appeal to inner city wankers and those living in the rust belt states, the rest of us know better than to trust the greens.

Remember nearly 90% of voters do NOT vote green.

Yea the rest of the country know how bright Qlders are, they are the imbeciles that elected 22 One Nation members to Qld Parliament,while the rest of the country laughed, AT YOU. ;D

skippy. wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

Yea the rest of the country know how bright Qlders are, they are the imbeciles that elected 22 One Nation members to Qld Parliament,while the rest of the country laughed, AT YOU. ;D

And how did the alternatives work out for you?  ;D ;D ;D

... wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 1:28pm:

skippy. wrote on Apr 17th, 2012 at 1:25pm: Yea the rest of the country know how bright Qlders are, they are the imbeciles that elected 22 One Nation members to Qld Parliament,while the rest of the country laughed, AT YOU. ;D And how did the alternatives work out for you?  ;D ;D ;D

PLEASE EXPLAIN??? ( in my highest shriek)

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 1:19pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on Apr 17th, 2012 at 1:09pm: The right-wing are intimidated by us. They know that we're not going anywhere. A green government is very likely to arise in the foreseeable future. We are the biggest growing party, and have great new members coming through. Yes your lot did very well in the QLD election compared to the Australia party.  ;D The greens appeal to inner city wankers and those living in the rust belt states, the rest of us know better than to trust the greens. Remember nearly 90% of voters do NOT vote green.

Christine Milne has been a country person her whole life, so there goes that theory.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 1:19pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on Apr 17th, 2012 at 1:09pm: The right-wing are intimidated by us. They know that we're not going anywhere. A green government is very likely to arise in the foreseeable future. We are the biggest growing party, and have great new members coming through. Yes your lot did very well in the QLD election compared to the Australia party.  ;D The greens appeal to inner city wankers and those living in the rust belt states, the rest of us know better than to trust the greens. Remember nearly 90% of voters do NOT vote green.

Yes there was a landslide to the regressive side of politics in state politics under a system that favours the main parties.

The vote was mostly on State Issues, not Federal Issues.

Under the Preference and Senate System of Federal Politics, The Queensland state election result is irrelevant.


Federally, Greens are a rising power in Queensland

for example :
Brisbane
Andrew Bartlett      GRN      17,244      21.3            +10.1            

http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2010/guide/bris.htm


And now with this move to build closer relations with rural Queenslanders, Greens will now plan the attainment of country Queensland seat, on our way to government.

TheGreenLight wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 1:42pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 17th, 2012 at 1:19pm: TheGreenLight wrote on Apr 17th, 2012 at 1:09pm: The right-wing are intimidated by us. They know that we're not going anywhere. A green government is very likely to arise in the foreseeable future. We are the biggest growing party, and have great new members coming through. Yes your lot did very well in the QLD election compared to the Australia party.  ;D The greens appeal to inner city wankers and those living in the rust belt states, the rest of us know better than to trust the greens. Remember nearly 90% of voters do NOT vote green. Christine Milne has been a country person her whole life, so there goes that theory.

Born in taswegia, the rustiest of the rust belt state, my theory stands.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on Apr 17th, 2012 at 1:42pm: BigOl64 wrote on Apr 17th, 2012 at 1:19pm: TheGreenLight wrote on Apr 17th, 2012 at 1:09pm: The right-wing are intimidated by us. They know that we're not going anywhere. A green government is very likely to arise in the foreseeable future. We are the biggest growing party, and have great new members coming through. Yes your lot did very well in the QLD election compared to the Australia party.  ;D The greens appeal to inner city wankers and those living in the rust belt states, the rest of us know better than to trust the greens. Remember nearly 90% of voters do NOT vote green. Christine Milne has been a country person her whole life, so there goes that theory. Born in taswegia, the rustiest of the rust belt state, my theory stands.

LOL, a Qlder putting sh it on other states, rotflmao. ;D ;D ;D

skippy. wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 1:52pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 17th, 2012 at 1:49pm: TheGreenLight wrote on Apr 17th, 2012 at 1:42pm: BigOl64 wrote on Apr 17th, 2012 at 1:19pm: TheGreenLight wrote on Apr 17th, 2012 at 1:09pm: The right-wing are intimidated by us. They know that we're not going anywhere. A green government is very likely to arise in the foreseeable future. We are the biggest growing party, and have great new members coming through. Yes your lot did very well in the QLD election compared to the Australia party.  ;D The greens appeal to inner city wankers and those living in the rust belt states, the rest of us know better than to trust the greens. Remember nearly 90% of voters do NOT vote green. Christine Milne has been a country person her whole life, so there goes that theory. Born in taswegia, the rustiest of the rust belt state, my theory stands. LOL, a Qlder putting sh it on other states, rotflmao. ;D ;D ;D

Really, do you think I give a sh1t what you think. We QLDers are doin fine, no greens is state parliament and frig all labor. Good employment figures and we don't live in a sh1thole southern state.

How good is that?  ;D

Just when you think that the Greens can't get any more stupid...

The Greens have 1, ONE SOLITARY Lower House seat, which will they lose when preferenced last next election.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on Apr 17th, 2012 at 1:42pm: BigOl64 wrote on Apr 17th, 2012 at 1:19pm: TheGreenLight wrote on Apr 17th, 2012 at 1:09pm: The right-wing are intimidated by us. They know that we're not going anywhere. A green government is very likely to arise in the foreseeable future. We are the biggest growing party, and have great new members coming through. Yes your lot did very well in the QLD election compared to the Australia party.  ;D The greens appeal to inner city wankers and those living in the rust belt states, the rest of us know better than to trust the greens. Remember nearly 90% of voters do NOT vote green. Christine Milne has been a country person her whole life, so there goes that theory. Born in taswegia, the rustiest of the rust belt state, my theory stands.

You said that we appeal to the inner-city, when out leader is from the country. Your theory still stands?

matty wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 1:56pm:

Just when you think that the Greens cant get any more stupid... The Greens have 1, ONE SOLITARY Lower House seat, which will they lose when preferenced last next election.

But you predicted Greens support with Bob Brown retiring ... the opposite occurred.

So logic would say your couldn't predict an outcome of a raincloud rising a mountain.

matty wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 1:56pm:

Just when you think that the Greens can't get any more stupid... The Greens have 1, ONE SOLITARY Lower House seat, which will they lose when preferenced last next election.

What that shows is how afraid the old parties are of the GREENS spoiling their duopoly that masquerades as a democracy, only to have imbeciles like you fall for it, hook line and sinker.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 10:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 8:53pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:53pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:51pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:33pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 7:21pm: Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 16th, 2012 at 5:44pm: What's with the sheer and utter hatred of the Greens, Longy? With you it's pathological and that can't be healthy. I don't know about Longy, but my reasons are, the Greens take environmentalism much too far... Supporting animal rights, trees (plant life generally), anti-nuclear WEAPONS etc are all well and good.....BUT considering any of these things more important than your own species, is taking it to a ridiculous level.. I'm in favour of caring for plants and animals, but only up to the point where humanity doesn't suffer detrimental effects... From that post I can only assume you think the human race lives outside the natural world. If you think we can live on our own check out what the predictions are if the humble honey bee disappears. We are as much a part of the natural environment as the lowiest maggot. Everything has a place. Unfortunately the coal mine overcomes any natural element no matter how important us or any other species. No, we do live in the natural world...but, being a human, I feel humans are more important than maggots.....i.e we shouldn't kill off humans, just to feed maggots... And what green policy is against the human race? Most of them... Against the human race or against some humans making squillions?

Pretty much against the race (or perhaps just modern society)....There doesn't seem to be any particular objection to some humans making squillions from 'green' technology...