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Message started by Yadda on Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:55pm

Title: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by Yadda on Apr 15th, 2012 at 12:55pm

Quote:
Somali jihadists reportedly behead American >> jihadist <<

Omar Hammami was afraid this was going to happen over their differences regarding Sharia, and now it looks as if it has. Odd -- why didn't they have a tolerant, mutually respectful dialogue?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/04/somali-jihadists-reportedly-behead-american-jihadist.html



"Allah Akbar!!!!!! Death to the infidles!!!! .....even if they are moslem infidels!!!"



Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by Yadda on Apr 15th, 2012 at 1:27pm
Hey Abu,

Will these al-Shabaab cadres go to the hell-fire, for murdering a fellow moslem ???

Or, wasn't Omar Hammami, a REAL moslem ???



n.b.
ISLAMIC law strictly forbids a moslem, from intentionally killing,    ......>> another moslem <<...

"......If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him."
Koran 4.92-93



"Do the Unbelievers think that they can take My servants as protectors besides Me? Verily We have prepared Hell for the Unbelievers for (their) entertainment."
Koran 18.102

i.e.
The torturing of 'unbelievers' is the 'entertainment' which Allah has sanctioned, for moslems.



Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by Yadda on Apr 15th, 2012 at 1:48pm
COMMENT at JW.....


Quote:

its only that he was previously connected to the west that its news..

this is an example of the norm, the every day, in
moslem politics, is it not?



http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/04/somali-jihadists-reportedly-behead-american-jihadist.html#comment-872747



It is, indeed.

SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1333935983/0#0


Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by falah on Apr 15th, 2012 at 2:26pm
jihadwatch a reputable news source Yadda?


Quote:
A spokesperson for an al Qaeda-linked terror group is denying that the group "arrested" one of its own -- a high-profile American member...

...a pair of reports surfaced Monday claiming Hammami had been abducted by members of al-Shabaab -- reports that the spokesperson for the group strongly denied online.

"All reports of [Hammami's] arrest are false and intended purely for propaganda purposes," the spokesperson told ABC News over Twitter. "Beware of such inaccurate reports."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/omar-hammami-terror-group-denies-arrested-american-member/story?id=15953598#.T4pH99lQA6Y



Somali news outlets describe his death as only a rumour:


Quote:
The rumor is that he was executed

http://www.raxanreeb.com/2012/04/reports-omar-hammami-executed/




Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by falah on Apr 15th, 2012 at 2:35pm
Now if we want to talk about people killing people from the same religion, perhaps we can look at Joseph Kony:

Christian Joseph Kony

leader of Lord's Resistance Army

Wants State Governed By Biblical Law

Kidnapped 100,000 Children


In 1992, Kony renamed the group the United Democratic Christian Army

Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by falah on Apr 15th, 2012 at 2:47pm
Childhood's End

For 19 years, Joseph Kony has been enslaving, torturing, raping, and murdering Ugandan children, many of whom have become soldiers for his "Lord's Resistance Army," going on to torture, rape, and kill other children.


Christian Kony with girls


James, who is 11 and looks about 9. When he actually was nine and sleeping at home with his four brothers, the L.R.A. stormed his village and took the boys away. They were roped at the waist and menaced with bayonets to persuade them to confess what they could not know—the whereabouts of the Ugandan Army's soldiers. On the subsequent forced march, James underwent the twin forms of initiation practiced by the L.R.A. He was first savagely flogged with a wire lash and then made to take part in the murder of those children who had become too exhausted to walk any farther. "First we had to watch," he says. "Then we had to join in the beatings until they died." He was spared from having to do this to a member of his family, which is the L.R.A.'s preferred method of what it calls "registration." And he was spared from being made into a concubine or a sex slave, because the L.R.A. doesn't tolerate that kind of thing for boys. It is, after all, "faith-based." Excuse me, but it does have its standards...

...The leader of the L.R.A., a former Catholic acolyte in his 40s named Joseph Kony, who now claims to be a spirit medium with a special mission to impose the Ten Commandments...

...we hit Pabbo, where a collection of huts and shanties huddle together as if for protection. In this place are packed about 59,000 of the estimated 1.5 million "internally displaced persons" (I.D.P.'s) who have sought protection from the savagery of the L.R.A....

...Kony grew up in a Gulu Province village called Odek. He appointed himself the Lord's anointed prophet for the Acholi people of northern Uganda in 1987...He has helped himself to about 50 captives as "wives," claiming Old Testament authority for this (King Solomon had 700 spouses)

Signs of his disapproval include the cutting off of lips, noses, and breasts in the villages he raids and, to deter informers, a padlock driven through the upper and lower lips. This is the sort of deranged gang—flagellant, hysterical, fanatical, lethal, under-age—that an unfortunate traveler might have encountered on the roads of Europe during the Thirty Years' War or the last Crusade...We were sitting in a yard that contained, as well as some unreformed youngsters, four random babies crawling about in the dust. These had been found lying next to their panga-slashed mothers or else left behind when their mothers were marched away....

...I had a faintly nerve-racking drink with Francis Ongom, one of Kony's ex-officers, who defected only recently and who would not agree to be questioned about his own past crimes. "Kony...has found Bible justifications for killing witches, for killing pigs because of the story of the Gadarene swine, and for killing people because god did the same with Noah's flood and Sodom and Gomorrah." Nice to know that he is immersed in the Good Book.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/01/hitchens200601

Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by falah on Apr 15th, 2012 at 2:51pm
His rebel group is one of world's most notorious, reviled for an incongruous mix of religion and brutality, but Joseph Kony, the chief of Uganda's Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), is a mystery to most.

For nearly 20 years, the elusive guerrilla supremo's fighters have terrorised vast swathes of northern Uganda with an unholy blend of murder, mutilation, rapes, kidnapping and wanton destruction.

Yet the self-styled mystic and religious prophet who claims to be waging war on God's direct orders to replace the Ugandan government with one based on the Biblical Ten Commandments is as unknown as he is feared...

...Ex-LRA abductees speak of being forced to brutally kill and maim friends and neighbours as well as participate in grotesque rites such as drinking their victims' blood...

..."He says he's doing God's will," says 23-year-old Evelyn who was "married" to Kony in 1994. "He says he's a prophet. He wants to overthrow the government [and] replace the Constitution with the Ten Commandments."...

http://mg.co.za/article/2006-02-10-portrait-of-ugandas-rebel-prophet-painted-by-wives



Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by falah on Apr 15th, 2012 at 2:54pm
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01828/uganda-marie_1828772c.jpgVictims of Christian Army
















Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by Sprintcyclist on Apr 15th, 2012 at 3:41pm

falah wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 2:51pm:
His rebel group is one of world's most notorious, reviled for an incongruous mix of religion and brutality, but Joseph Kony, the chief of Uganda's Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), is a mystery to most.

For nearly 20 years, the elusive guerrilla supremo's fighters have terrorised vast swathes of northern Uganda with an unholy blend of murder, mutilation, rapes, kidnapping and wanton destruction.

Yet the self-styled mystic and religious prophet who claims to be waging war on God's direct orders to replace the Ugandan government with one based on the Biblical Ten Commandments is as unknown as he is feared...

...Ex-LRA abductees speak of being forced to brutally kill and maim friends and neighbours as well as participate in grotesque rites such as drinking their victims' blood...

..."He says he's doing God's will," says 23-year-old Evelyn who was "married" to Kony in 1994. "He says he's a prophet. He wants to overthrow the government [and] replace the Constitution with the Ten Commandments."...

http://mg.co.za/article/2006-02-10-portrait-of-ugandas-rebel-prophet-painted-by-wives



his "results" look far from a christians ideals to me.
t

Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 15th, 2012 at 3:51pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 3:41pm:

falah wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 2:51pm:
His rebel group is one of world's most notorious, reviled for an incongruous mix of religion and brutality, but Joseph Kony, the chief of Uganda's Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), is a mystery to most.

For nearly 20 years, the elusive guerrilla supremo's fighters have terrorised vast swathes of northern Uganda with an unholy blend of murder, mutilation, rapes, kidnapping and wanton destruction.

Yet the self-styled mystic and religious prophet who claims to be waging war on God's direct orders to replace the Ugandan government with one based on the Biblical Ten Commandments is as unknown as he is feared...

...Ex-LRA abductees speak of being forced to brutally kill and maim friends and neighbours as well as participate in grotesque rites such as drinking their victims' blood...

..."He says he's doing God's will," says 23-year-old Evelyn who was "married" to Kony in 1994. "He says he's a prophet. He wants to overthrow the government [and] replace the Constitution with the Ten Commandments."...

http://mg.co.za/article/2006-02-10-portrait-of-ugandas-rebel-prophet-painted-by-wives



his "results" look far from a christians ideals to me.
t

Actually he is following the bibles word to a tee.

Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by Sprintcyclist on Apr 15th, 2012 at 4:25pm

explain to me how that is.
I differenteriate christianity from the OT.
As does the bible.


Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 15th, 2012 at 4:27pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 4:25pm:
explain to me how that is.
I differenteriate christianity from the OT.
As does the bible.
Well hes not christian
but he is a true follower of the bible

Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by Sprintcyclist on Apr 15th, 2012 at 4:32pm

so, it's not christianity ?


Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 15th, 2012 at 4:36pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 4:32pm:
so, it's not christianity ?

When did I say it was?

Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by Sprintcyclist on Apr 15th, 2012 at 4:50pm

i'll take that as a "no, it's not christianity"

Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 15th, 2012 at 4:50pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 4:50pm:
i'll take that as a "no, it's not christianity"

Well yeah, whats your point?
You do realise christians are not the only people who follow the bible

Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by nairbe on Apr 15th, 2012 at 5:24pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 4:50pm:
i'll take that as a "no, it's not christianity"

Well yeah, whats your point?
You do realise christians are not the only people who follow the bible


Yes but this man claims to be christian as do other terrorists (sorry when they are christian they are freedom fighters) and history has a strong tone of christian wars and cruel domination. The inquisition, the crusaides, colonialism, catholic child abuse and i could continue.

So spin, either they are christian or you must concede that the fruit cakes that terrorise the world claiming to be muslim are also not belonging to their claimed faith.

Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Apr 15th, 2012 at 5:27pm

nairbe wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 5:24pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 4:50pm:
i'll take that as a "no, it's not christianity"

Well yeah, whats your point?
You do realise christians are not the only people who follow the bible


Yes but this man claims to be christian as do other terrorists (sorry when they are christian they are freedom fighters) and history has a strong tone of christian wars and cruel domination. The inquisition, the crusaides, colonialism, catholic child abuse and i could continue.

So spin, either they are christian or you must concede that the fruit cakes that terrorise the world claiming to be muslim are also not belonging to their claimed faith.

Probably that they were christian and then decided to listen to all the bible and not just cherry pick

Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by Incomptinence on Apr 15th, 2012 at 7:01pm
Yet more proof that we could have left this hot potato alone and it would have cooked itself.

Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by Sprintcyclist on Apr 15th, 2012 at 8:05pm

nairbe wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 5:24pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 4:50pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 4:50pm:
i'll take that as a "no, it's not christianity"

Well yeah, whats your point?
You do realise christians are not the only people who follow the bible


Yes but this man claims to be christian as do other terrorists (sorry when they are christian they are freedom fighters) and history has a strong tone of christian wars and cruel domination. The inquisition, the crusaides, colonialism, catholic child abuse and i could continue.

So spin, either they are christian or you must concede that the fruit cakes that terrorise the world claiming to be muslim are also not belonging to their claimed faith.


show me the christian quotes that he uses to justify his actions.

no other christians of any merit agree with him.

Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by falah on Apr 15th, 2012 at 9:26pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 4:25pm:
explain to me how that is.
I differenteriate christianity from the OT.
As does the bible.



It is funny how the oldest book that the priests decided to put in the New Testament seems a lot more like the Old Testament.



“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the way of the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17-18)


"I did not come to bring peace, but a sword"
Matthew 10:45



"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--
Matthew 10:34-5

Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by falah on Apr 15th, 2012 at 9:34pm
Joseph Kony: Profile of the LRA leader

A former Catholic altar boy from northern Uganda, Joseph Kony has waged war in central Africa for more than two decades.

But his rebels now terrorise large swathes of the Democratic Republic of Congo, South Sudan and the Central African Republic, and he is wanted for war crimes by the International Criminal Court (ICC)...

...Young abductees who have escaped from the LRA say Mr Kony would tell them he got his instructions from the Holy Spirit and would often preach in tongues.

"I will communicate with Museveni through the holy spirits and not through the telephone," he once said.

He has created an aura of fear and mysticism around himself and his rebels follow strict rules and rituals.

"When you go to fight you make the sign of the cross first. If you fail to do this, you will be killed," one young fighter who escaped from the LRA told US-based Human Rights Watch.

"You must also take oil and draw a cross on your chest, your forehead, and each shoulder, and you must make a cross in oil on your gun. They say that the oil is the power of the Holy Spirit."

Mr Kony appears to believe that his role is to cleanse the Acholi people.

He uses biblical references to explain why it is necessary to kill his own people, since they have, in his view, failed to support his cause.

"If the Acholi don't support us, they must be finished," he told one abductee...

...The LRA later went on a major offensive, carrying out a massacre on Christmas Day 2008.

On that day and over the following three weeks, the LRA beat to death more than 800 people in north-eastern DR Congo and South Sudan, and abducted hundreds more.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17299084

Title: Re: Somali jihadists behead American jihadist
Post by Yadda on Apr 16th, 2012 at 12:57pm

falah wrote on Apr 15th, 2012 at 9:34pm:
Joseph Kony: Profile of the LRA leader

A former Catholic altar boy from northern Uganda, Joseph Kony has waged war in central Africa for more than two decades.

But his rebels now terrorise large swathes of the Democratic Republic of Congo, South Sudan and the Central African Republic, and he is wanted for war crimes by the International Criminal Court (ICC)...

...Young abductees who have escaped from the LRA say Mr Kony would tell them he got his instructions from the Holy Spirit and would often preach in tongues.

"I will communicate with Museveni through the holy spirits and not through the telephone," he once said.

He has created an aura of fear and mysticism around himself and his rebels follow strict rules and rituals.

"When you go to fight you make the sign of the cross first. If you fail to do this, you will be killed," one young fighter who escaped from the LRA told US-based Human Rights Watch.

"You must also take oil and draw a cross on your chest, your forehead, and each shoulder, and you must make a cross in oil on your gun. They say that the oil is the power of the Holy Spirit."

Mr Kony appears to believe that his role is to cleanse the Acholi people.

He uses biblical references to explain why it is necessary to kill his own people, since they have, in his view, failed to support his cause.

"If the Acholi don't support us, they must be finished," he told one abductee...

...The LRA later went on a major offensive, carrying out a massacre on Christmas Day 2008.

On that day and over the following three weeks, the LRA beat to death more than 800 people in north-eastern DR Congo and South Sudan, and abducted hundreds more.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17299084




To me, Joseph Kony seems to behave like a good moslem.

Quack quack.




Quote:
Joseph Kony has waged war in central Africa for more than two decades.


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123






Quote:
.....his rebels now terrorise large swathes of the Democratic Republic of Congo, South Sudan and the Central African Republic,


"Muhammad Joseph Kony is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29






Quote:
He has created an aura of fear and mysticism around himself


"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. "
Koran 33.21






Quote:
He uses biblical references to explain why it is necessary to kill his own people, since they have, in his view, failed to support his cause.


"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.220







Quote:
"If the Acholi don't support us, they must be finished," he told one abductee...


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98






Quote:
...The LRA later went on a major offensive,carrying out a massacre on Christmas Day 2008.


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11





Quote:
On that day and over the following three weeks, the LRA beat to death more than 800 people in north-eastern DR Congo and South Sudan, and abducted hundreds more.


".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies): ......"
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062





Quack quack.






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