The carbon tax is going to force up already too high electricity bills, making life very difficult for those who try to survive on a low income...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/bracing-for-300-jump-in-power-bill-as-the-carbon-tax-hits/story-e6freuzr-1226324322699

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 7:00am:

The carbon tax is going to force up already too high electricity bills, making life very difficult for those who try to survive on a low income... http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/bracing-for-300-jump-in-power-bill-as-the-carbon-tax-hits/story-e6freuzr-1226324322699

Coal electricity will not decrease in cost, it will rise and rise.


Real renewable electricity are coming down in price.


For example, ore requires oil and peak oil will lift coal electricity costs further and further up.


Sunlight, wind, geothermal hotrock etc doesn't have the same peak oil input so will decrease in cost next to coal electricity rising.

To achieve lower electricity prices in the future, we require structural change now : via a carbon tax.



Liberals want to lock you into rising electricity prices to keep the coal billions happy.

i.e Clive Palmer

godless communist devils are subverting our water, power and food supply and hiking ujp the prices for their own profits.  This is a terrorist security threat to the citizens of this country. 8-) 8-)

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1334204692

Lol, and now Paul Keating is adding to the commotion on the climate change iceburgh!

Lol, ............................not!!

THIS IS THE WORLD TURNING PEOPLE!!!
TURNING YOUR BACK TO LOOK AT SHINY REPLACEABLES AFTER A HARD 7.5 HOURS DOES NOT A SUSTAINABLE FUTURE MAKE!!

I will NOT be able to afford my winter bill.

Compensation doesn't even come close.

I have a couple of 'Tilley' lamps, a little gas cooker, a
metho-cooker, and a 1Kw petrol generator.

And a hexamine stove.

Might just use them, freck paying ANYONE.

Not that I'm telling you to do it, in fact I am not. But it is a  fact that if a heavy duty magnet were to find its way near that pesky little wheel that wracks up your bills ...then dagnabit...that pesky little wheel would slow right down...How about that huh?

Now I  know no one would do such a thing, I would definitely not encourage it.

If a meter reader finds one there you'll be in strife..You've been warned right!

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 2:26pm:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1334204692 Lol, and now Paul Keating is adding to the commotion on the climate change iceburgh! Lol, ............................not!! THIS IS THE WORLD TURNING PEOPLE!!! TURNING YOUR BACK TO LOOK AT SHINY REPLACEABLES AFTER A HARD 7.5 HOURS DOES NOT A SUSTAINABLE FUTURE MAKE!!

YOU'VE BEEN WARNED ALRIGHT!!!  ;) ;) ;)

Hey DEATH...who said you didn't have a sense of humour...what a knee slapper!

red baron wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 3:09pm:

Hey DEATH...who said you didn't have a sense of humour...what a knee slapper!

No family I presume!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :-*

You should audition for 'Saturday Night Live'. You will make Bill Murray look like a hack!

red baron wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 3:15pm:

You should audition for 'Saturday Night Live'. You will make Bill Murray look like a hack!

RED BARON HAS NADA BUT PRAWNS AND CRAYFISH WITH DADDY EVERY OTHER WEEKEND TO DISCUSS THE CONTINUED SHAM LIFESTYLE OF GREED HIDING BEHIND SOMEONE ELSES TRYHARD (READ, RECENTLY-PROVEN-IMPOTENT  :D :D ) NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!!!

Hi folks, I know you've enjoyed your music tonight but this one goes out to a special member of the audience...He goes by the name of Death rides a horse....


"Eat It"
www.youtube.comwatch?v=bFvlTbTKbeQ


How come you're always such a fussy young man
Don't want no Captain Crunch, don't want no Raisin Bran
Well, don't you know that other kids are starving in Japan
So eat it, just eat it

Don't want to argue, I don't want to debate
Don't want to hear about what kind of food you hate
You won't get no dessert 'till you clean off your plate
So eat it

Don't you tell me you're full
Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it
Get yourself an egg and beat it
Have some more chicken, have some more pie
It doesn't matter if it's boiled or fried
Just eat it, eat it, just eat it, eat it
Just eat it, eat it, just eat it, eat it, ooh

Your table manners are some cryin' shame
You're playin' with your food, this ain't some kind of game
Now, if you starve to death, you'll just have yourself to blame
So eat it, just eat it

You better listen, better do what you're told
You haven't even touched your tuna casserole
You better chow down or it's gonna get cold
So eat it

I don't care if you're full
Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it
Open up your mouth and feed it
Have some more yogurt, have some more spam
It doesn't matter if it's fresh or canned
Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it
Don't you make me repeat it
Have a banana, have a whole bunch
It doesn't matter what you had for lunch
Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it
Eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it

Eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it
If it's gettin' cold, reheat it
Have a big dinner, have a light snack
If you don't like it, you can't send it back
Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it
Get yourself an egg and beat it (oh lord)
Have some more chicken, have some more pie
It doesn't matter if it's boiled or fried
Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it
Don't you make me repeat it (oh no)
Have a banana, have a whole bunch
It doesn't matter what you had for lunch
Just eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it

EAT IT DEATH.....RED

red wants the whole of humanity going forward to eat his faeces!

That is so tryhard, ....almost just so lol!!

Is that Death or Bill Murray posing as Death..I mean you are so funny Death..real riot.

You can leave in a taxi or leave in a huff but where you gunna find a huff at this time of the day?...what do you say Death (Bill)

It will only force up electricity prices if you are sourcing it from coal generation.

If you choose green energy, the co2 tax will have no impact.

Doc...what the.......????

red baron wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 4:02pm:

Doc...what the.......????

Dont you understand a co2 tax ?

Doctor Jolly wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 4:02pm: Doc...what the.......???? Dont you understand a co2 tax ?

That would be a "No" quite obviously.
Or perhaps "Yes" depending on your perspective.
Either way RED if no CO2 is used in production that means no CO2 tax

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 4:09pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 4:03pm: red baron wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 4:02pm: Doc...what the.......???? Dont you understand a co2 tax ? That would be a "YES" quite obviously.

Yes, he doesnt understand , or Yes, he does understand. ??

Doctor Jolly wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 4:09pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 4:03pm: red baron wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 4:02pm: Doc...what the.......???? Dont you understand a co2 tax ? That would be a "YES" quite obviously. Yes, he doesnt understand , or Yes, he does understand. ??

Bwahaha
Having thoughts on that myself
see edit ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

As things stand, I will NOT be able to meet my power bill this winter.

Not a CHANCE.

Good one, NOT!

Are people to dumb to put sum solar cells on their roof?
If they consume as much electricity as they are claiming the cells will pay for themselves in a year and they will never have to pay 1 cent in carbon tax on their power bills.

adelcrow wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 5:16pm:

Are people to dumb to put sum solar cells on their roof? If they consume as much electricity as they are claiming the cells will pay for themselves in a year and they will never have to pay 1 cent in carbon tax on their power bills.

I am not sure you are aware of startup costs for full independance from the grid, the life span of the cells, the overall payback amount with and without tarrifs.

It is not a cheap exersice.

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 5:21pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:16pm: Are people to dumb to put sum solar cells on their roof? If they consume as much electricity as they are claiming the cells will pay for themselves in a year and they will never have to pay 1 cent in carbon tax on their power bills. I am not sure you are aware of startup costs for full independance from the grid, the life span of the cells, the overall payback amount with and without tarrifs. It is not a cheap exersice.

You can have a solar system stuck on your roof for under $2000.
The prices plummeted after the govt rebate was scraped.

adelcrow wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 5:30pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:21pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:16pm: Are people to dumb to put sum solar cells on their roof? If they consume as much electricity as they are claiming the cells will pay for themselves in a year and they will never have to pay 1 cent in carbon tax on their power bills. I am not sure you are aware of startup costs for full independance from the grid, the life span of the cells, the overall payback amount with and without tarrifs. It is not a cheap exersice. You can have a solar system stuck on your roof for under $2000. The prices plummeted after the govt rebate was scraped.

Can't do that, I'm renting.

But a little petrol generator is becoming more appealing and economical by the day.

Kat wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 5:32pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:30pm: progressiveslol wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:21pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:16pm: Are people to dumb to put sum solar cells on their roof? If they consume as much electricity as they are claiming the cells will pay for themselves in a year and they will never have to pay 1 cent in carbon tax on their power bills. I am not sure you are aware of startup costs for full independance from the grid, the life span of the cells, the overall payback amount with and without tarrifs. It is not a cheap exersice. You can have a solar system stuck on your roof for under $2000. The prices plummeted after the govt rebate was scraped. Can't do that' I'm renting. Bu a little petrol generator is becoming more appealing and economical by the day.

Cut your use of electricity by the corresponding amount of the carbon tax and spend the compensation on a holiday.
Its not rocket science

adelcrow wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 5:34pm:

Kat wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:32pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:30pm: progressiveslol wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:21pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:16pm: Are people to dumb to put sum solar cells on their roof? If they consume as much electricity as they are claiming the cells will pay for themselves in a year and they will never have to pay 1 cent in carbon tax on their power bills. I am not sure you are aware of startup costs for full independance from the grid, the life span of the cells, the overall payback amount with and without tarrifs. It is not a cheap exersice. You can have a solar system stuck on your roof for under $2000. The prices plummeted after the govt rebate was scraped. Can't do that' I'm renting. Bu a little petrol generator is becoming more appealing and economical by the day. Cut your use of electricity by the corresponding amount of the carbon tax and spend the compensation on a holiday. Its not rocket science

Can't be done.

Single bloke, running the minimum of electrical appliances.

NO plasma, NO A/C. Only ever one room occupied at a given time.

Appliances/lights etc all energy-efficient.

Gas heating.

There is NOTHING that I can cut.

Nothing.

In fact, I'm sitting here typing this in the dark, using the backlit keyboard......

Kat wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 5:39pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:34pm: Kat wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:32pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:30pm: progressiveslol wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:21pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:16pm: Are people to dumb to put sum solar cells on their roof? If they consume as much electricity as they are claiming the cells will pay for themselves in a year and they will never have to pay 1 cent in carbon tax on their power bills. I am not sure you are aware of startup costs for full independance from the grid, the life span of the cells, the overall payback amount with and without tarrifs. It is not a cheap exersice. You can have a solar system stuck on your roof for under $2000. The prices plummeted after the govt rebate was scraped. Can't do that' I'm renting. Bu a little petrol generator is becoming more appealing and economical by the day. Cut your use of electricity by the corresponding amount of the carbon tax and spend the compensation on a holiday. Its not rocket science Can't be done. Single bloke, running the minimum of electrical appliances. NO plasma, NO A/C. Only ever one room occupied at a given time. Appliances/lights etc all energy-efficient. Gas heating. There is NOTHING that I can cut. Nothing.

If thats all you use your power bills must be sweet bugger all.

Kat wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 5:39pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:34pm: Kat wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:32pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:30pm: progressiveslol wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:21pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:16pm: Are people to dumb to put sum solar cells on their roof? If they consume as much electricity as they are claiming the cells will pay for themselves in a year and they will never have to pay 1 cent in carbon tax on their power bills. I am not sure you are aware of startup costs for full independance from the grid, the life span of the cells, the overall payback amount with and without tarrifs. It is not a cheap exersice. You can have a solar system stuck on your roof for under $2000. The prices plummeted after the govt rebate was scraped. Can't do that' I'm renting. Bu a little petrol generator is becoming more appealing and economical by the day. Cut your use of electricity by the corresponding amount of the carbon tax and spend the compensation on a holiday. Its not rocket science Can't be done. Single bloke, running the minimum of electrical appliances. NO plasma, NO A/C. Only ever one room occupied at a given time. Appliances/lights etc all energy-efficient. Gas heating. There is NOTHING that I can cut. Nothing. In fact, I'm sitting here typing this in the dark, using the backlit keyboard......

maybe if you weren't such a miser complaining about carbon tax, you wouldn't be sitting on your own in the dark ...

adelcrow wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 5:41pm:

Kat wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:39pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:34pm: Kat wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:32pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:30pm: progressiveslol wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:21pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:16pm: Are people to dumb to put sum solar cells on their roof? If they consume as much electricity as they are claiming the cells will pay for themselves in a year and they will never have to pay 1 cent in carbon tax on their power bills. I am not sure you are aware of startup costs for full independance from the grid, the life span of the cells, the overall payback amount with and without tarrifs. It is not a cheap exersice. You can have a solar system stuck on your roof for under $2000. The prices plummeted after the govt rebate was scraped. Can't do that' I'm renting. Bu a little petrol generator is becoming more appealing and economical by the day. Cut your use of electricity by the corresponding amount of the carbon tax and spend the compensation on a holiday. Its not rocket science Can't be done. Single bloke, running the minimum of electrical appliances. NO plasma, NO A/C. Only ever one room occupied at a given time. Appliances/lights etc all energy-efficient. Gas heating. There is NOTHING that I can cut. Nothing. If thats all you use your power bills must be sweet bugger all.

Current bill (summer quarter)....$298.00.

Same bill three years ago.....$135.00.

Can't do it.

Simple as that.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 7:00am:

The carbon tax is going to force up already too high electricity bills, making life very difficult for those who try to survive on a low income... http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/bracing-for-300-jump-in-power-bill-as-the-carbon-tax-hits/story-e6freuzr-1226324322699

What a load of silly talk. Pansophist and intellectual giant David Bradbury has stated that the cost of living will increase by 0.7%.



Quote:

[...] ‘‘While some businesses are expected to pass on some of the costs of a carbon price to their customers, the cost of living is expected to increase by 0.7 per cent, that’s less than the 2.5 per cent increase to the cost of living when the GST was first introduced,’’ Mr Bradbury said. ‘‘Every cent raised from the Government’s carbon price will be used to assist households, support jobs in trade-exposed industries and fund clean energy programs.’’ http://www.penrithstar.com.au/news/local/news/general/carbon-price-will-reduce-dependence-on-fossil-fuels-david-bradbury/2400835.aspx

This tax will be so well received I am willing to bet the government will have to introduce a law to stop people getting about with a very broad smiles on their faces.

salad in wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 6:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 7:00am: The carbon tax is going to force up already too high electricity bills, making life very difficult for those who try to survive on a low income... http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/bracing-for-300-jump-in-power-bill-as-the-carbon-tax-hits/story-e6freuzr-1226324322699 What a load of silly talk. Pansophist and intellectual giant David Bradbury has stated that the cost of living will increase by 0.7%. Quote: [...] ‘‘While some businesses are expected to pass on some of the costs of a carbon price to their customers, the cost of living is expected to increase by 0.7 per cent, that’s less than the 2.5 per cent increase to the cost of living when the GST was first introduced,’’ Mr Bradbury said. ‘‘Every cent raised from the Government’s carbon price will be used to assist households, support jobs in trade-exposed industries and fund clean energy programs.’’ http://www.penrithstar.com.au/news/local/news/general/carbon-price-will-reduce-dependence-on-fossil-fuels-david-bradbury/2400835.aspx This tax will be so well received I am willing to bet the government will have to introduce a law to stop people getting about with a very broad smiles on their faces.

For most people that use a bit of common sense the tax will make very little difference to their lives. Only the stupid and the stubborn will find life more expensive.

Kat wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 6:02pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:41pm: Kat wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:39pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:34pm: Kat wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:32pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:30pm: progressiveslol wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:21pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 5:16pm: Are people to dumb to put sum solar cells on their roof? If they consume as much electricity as they are claiming the cells will pay for themselves in a year and they will never have to pay 1 cent in carbon tax on their power bills. I am not sure you are aware of startup costs for full independance from the grid, the life span of the cells, the overall payback amount with and without tarrifs. It is not a cheap exersice. You can have a solar system stuck on your roof for under $2000. The prices plummeted after the govt rebate was scraped. Can't do that' I'm renting. Bu a little petrol generator is becoming more appealing and economical by the day. Cut your use of electricity by the corresponding amount of the carbon tax and spend the compensation on a holiday. Its not rocket science Can't be done. Single bloke, running the minimum of electrical appliances. NO plasma, NO A/C. Only ever one room occupied at a given time. Appliances/lights etc all energy-efficient. Gas heating. There is NOTHING that I can cut. Nothing. If thats all you use your power bills must be sweet bugger all. Current bill (summer quarter)....$298.00. Same bill three years ago.....$135.00. Can't do it. Simple as that.

And if we don't introduce a carbon tax and force electricity suppliers to find alternative sources of energy, where do you think you bill will be in another 3 yrs? 10 yrs 20yrs? coal will only get more expensive as supplies run out ... then what?

Won't matter.

I'll probably have frozen or starved to death by then.

And I doubt I'll be alone......

Kat wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 6:26pm:

Won't matter. I'll probably have frozen or starved to death by then. And I doubt I'll be alone......

A tad melodramatic don't you think?

adelcrow wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 6:39pm:

Kat wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 6:26pm: Won't matter. I'll probably have frozen or starved to death by then. And I doubt I'll be alone...... A tad melodramatic don't you think?

Perhaps, but, I suspect, only a tad....

Kat wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 6:26pm:

Won't matter. I'll probably have frozen or starved to death by then. And I doubt I'll be alone......

ok, where do you think those that haven't frozen will be then ... think it through ... the carbon tax is short term hurt for long term gain (really more a mosquito bite than hurt) , not doing something will turn to gangrene ... if not you then your kids, nieces nephews, neighbours kids ... must be someone who won't freeze that you know

seems to be 2 of these

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 7:00am:

The carbon tax is going to force up already too high electricity bills, making life very difficult for those who try to survive on a low income... http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/bracing-for-300-jump-in-power-bill-as-the-carbon-tax-hits/story-e6freuzr-1226324322699

Very slowly but surely it sinks in.

The Fixed carbon price is going to force up electricity bills

Yes it will - that is the reason for the compensation.

making life very difficult for those who try to survive on a low income

Yes again and that is the reason that the most compensation is payed at the lower income levels.

Seems you are coming around to the point where you almost understand what is going on, nice to see that you are now arguing in support of a carbon price.

Dnarever wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 7:00am: The carbon tax is going to force up already too high electricity bills, making life very difficult for those who try to survive on a low income... http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/bracing-for-300-jump-in-power-bill-as-the-carbon-tax-hits/story-e6freuzr-1226324322699 Very slowly but surely it sinks in. The Fixed carbon price is going to force up electricity bills Yes it will - that is the reason for the compensation. making life very difficult for those who try to survive on a low income Yes again and that is the reason that the most compensation is payed at the lower income levels. Seems you are coming around to the point where you almost understand what is going on, nice to see that you are now arguing in support of a carbon price.

It goes a little like this. Electricity is an essential part of life, as is

Food
Water
Clothes
Housing

All going to go up. Cant wait to get my hands on that $10.

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 7:10pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 7:00am: The carbon tax is going to force up already too high electricity bills, making life very difficult for those who try to survive on a low income... http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/bracing-for-300-jump-in-power-bill-as-the-carbon-tax-hits/story-e6freuzr-1226324322699 Very slowly but surely it sinks in. The Fixed carbon price is going to force up electricity bills Yes it will - that is the reason for the compensation. making life very difficult for those who try to survive on a low income Yes again and that is the reason that the most compensation is payed at the lower income levels. Seems you are coming around to the point where you almost understand what is going on, nice to see that you are now arguing in support of a carbon price. It goes a little like this. Electricity is an essential part of life, as is Food Water Clothes Housing All going to go up. Cant wait to get my hands on that $10.

A low income earner comes out in front.

Dnarever wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 9:17pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 9:07pm: Dnarever wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 7:10pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 7:00am: The carbon tax is going to force up already too high electricity bills, making life very difficult for those who try to survive on a low income... http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/bracing-for-300-jump-in-power-bill-as-the-carbon-tax-hits/story-e6freuzr-1226324322699 Very slowly but surely it sinks in. The Fixed carbon price is going to force up electricity bills Yes it will - that is the reason for the compensation. making life very difficult for those who try to survive on a low income Yes again and that is the reason that the most compensation is payed at the lower income levels. Seems you are coming around to the point where you almost understand what is going on, nice to see that you are now arguing in support of a carbon price. It goes a little like this. Electricity is an essential part of life, as is Food Water Clothes Housing All going to go up. Cant wait to get my hands on that $10. A low income earner comes out in front.

A low income worker/earner could be spending as much as a person who earns more than them currently without the tax in affect. Again, assuming labor have got something right for a change, the compensation, the piddley $10 one. I so hope they have got it right, because the low income earners have so much more to lose in this (comfort wise) if labor haven't.

Kat wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 6:26pm:

Won't matter. I'll probably have frozen or starved to death by then. And I doubt I'll be alone......

That will have nothing to do with the carbon tax. Your current electricity bill has nothing to do with the carbon tax and you will be compensated for the impact of the carbon tax on your future electricity bills. Labor can't afford to get the compensation wrong.

Kat wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 6:02pm:

Current bill (summer quarter)....$298.00. Same bill three years ago.....$135.00. Can't do it. Simple as that.

I bet you wash clothes with hot water, use a dryer, and leave all the lights on in your house.

Simply washing clothes in cold water will reduce your bill more than the carbon tax, and you get to pocket the compo.

But stupid is stupid, so I suspect you'd rather complain

Doctor Jolly wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 9:18am:

Kat wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 6:02pm: Current bill (summer quarter)....$298.00. Same bill three years ago.....$135.00. Can't do it. Simple as that. I bet you wash clothes with hot water, use a dryer, and leave all the lights on in your house. Simply washing clothes in cold water will reduce your bill more than the carbon tax, and you get to pocket the compo. But stupid is stupid, so I suspect you'd rather complain

No, no, and no.

Cold-wash only, don't (and won't) own a dryer, and only use energy-efficient lights.

All appliances are nearly new, except the fridge, and that's due to be replaced later this year.

Unused appliances are always turned off.

No plasma, no a/c, no heat-pump.

WTF is stupid about that?

Are you sure your meter is working properly? How much electricity did you use?

MOTR wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 9:41am:

Are you sure your meter is working properly? How much electricity did you use?

While I do not have the actual readings to hand, I would assume that the meter is OK.

It, and all other electrical fittings, were brand-new only 26 months ago, when the
whole complex was renovated.

Seriously, my bet is on the fridge being the culprit, as it is an older model, and probably
not very efficient, hence its being earmarked for replacement.

Hard to pull the money for it from a limited budget, though.

Kat wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 9:25am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Apr 13th, 2012 at 9:18am: Kat wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 6:02pm: Current bill (summer quarter)....$298.00. Same bill three years ago.....$135.00. Can't do it. Simple as that. I bet you wash clothes with hot water, use a dryer, and leave all the lights on in your house. Simply washing clothes in cold water will reduce your bill more than the carbon tax, and you get to pocket the compo. But stupid is stupid, so I suspect you'd rather complain No, no, and no. Cold-wash only, don't (and won't) own a dryer, and only use energy-efficient lights. All appliances are nearly new, except the fridge, and that's due to be replaced later this year. Unused appliances are always turned off. No plasma, no a/c, no heat-pump. WTF is stupid about that?

You suprise me.

But I have good news.  By choosing an energy efficient fridge, and ensuring good ventilation at the rear, you should able to completely offset the cost of the carbon tax on your bill, but its reduce usage.  A fridge probably is your biggest consumer of electricity.

Also consider going to a time-of-use meter.  Judicious use of that can also bring significant savings, an you sound like a thrifty type who could use it to their advantage.

You could make a tidy sum out of this if you are smart.

Electricity prices are likely to rise much further than the 23 per cent hike flagged by WA’s economic regulator after Premier Colin Barnett dismissed calls for cross-subsidies for country towns to be scrapped.

The Economic Regulation Authority released a long-awaited report yesterday into the tariffs of State-owned electricity retailer Synergy, showing households were still paying significantly less for power than it cost to provide.

According to the ERA, consumers would have to pay 23.1 per cent more power before prices reached “cost-reflective” levels, driving primarily by the need to remove the discount applying to prices and the incoming carbon tax.

But the authority, which is the Barnett Government’s top economic adviser, said tariffs would have to rise far higher if the Government did not axe the subsidy paid to keep prices in remote areas artificially low.

The subsidy, which is worth almost $200 million a year, comes from a levy imposed on all customers of Western Power’s network, which sprawls from Kalbarri in the north to Albany in the south.

It wants the levy scrapped and the difference paid out of consolidated revenue, which is collected by the State Treasury from all tax bases.

The ERA said keeping the levy would add a further 7.3 per cent to bills if the Government pushed ahead with its vow to implement cost-reflective pricing, meaning that household tariffs would need to increase more than 30 per cent.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/latest/13355505/power-prices-to-rise-more-than-23-per-cent/

Power bills have doubled under the Coalition government to pay for their bribes to the National party and it is set to get worse....No relief from Coalition Governments when it comes to paying higher prices.....The Coalition does not care about low income earners in WA!!!

The Coalition have been forced to admit their lies to the West Australian public.....You lot in the East have not seen what you are in for with this lot!!!

:) :) :)

Barnett in retreat over power bills

Premier Colin Barnett has been forced into a backflip over claims that Labor's break-up of the old Western Power had pushed up energy bills, conceding it was not to blame for a series of massive price increases.

A report by the State's economic watchdog last week dismissed any notion the four-way carve-up of Western Power in 2006 had contributed to electricity price increases over the past three years.

The Economic Regulation Authority said the claim, which has been touted by the Government as a driver of tariff increases, was wrong and prices would have needed to rise regardless of the split.

"The authority considers that the 57 per cent increase in electricity tariffs in recent years was inevitable, regardless of how the disaggregation of the old Western Power was structured. That is, regardless of whether Verve Energy and Synergy remained as a single government trading entity," it said in its report.

Mr Barnett and Energy Minister Peter Collier have repeatedly blamed the previous government's decision to split the monopoly electricity provider to justify massive price rises since 2008.

Faced with questions over the ERA's finding, Mr Barnett acknowledged the carve-up process had not played a big part in price increases of 57 per cent since in 2008.

Instead, Mr Barnett pointed the finger at the previous government's decision to freeze tariffs, saying it had saddled the energy utilities and taxpayers with almost $1 billion of extra debt.

However, when in Opposition, the Liberal Party agreed to a four-year price freeze in laws that allowed the break-up of Western Power into four separate businesses.

Mr Barnett also vowed to push ahead with his widely publicised plan to reunite electricity generator Verve with retailer Synergy, claiming there were "gross inefficiencies" in the current market.

Shadow treasurer Ben Wyatt said Mr Barnett was becoming "increasingly erratic over major policy areas" and suggested he was more interested in attacking Labor than good policy.

Mr Wyatt was also scathing of the Premier's plan to reunite Verve and Synergy, saying it would be a costly disaster.

"This bloody-minded obstinacy is looming as a threat, not only to the energy sector but also to the overall finances of the State," he said.

Barnett is an idiot!!

Only Biblical Agrarian separatism and self sufficient living can save us in these catastrophically fearful times - an ETS and carbon tax wont save the millions about to perish from famine as the global economy collapses... ::)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 12^th, 2012 at 7:00am:

The carbon tax is going to force up already too high electricity bills, making life very difficult for those who try to survive on a low income... http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/bracing-for-300-jump-in-power-bill-as-the-carbon-tax-hits/story-e6freuzr-1226324322699

That story looks like the tax will bring problems for Australian family lives?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 10:52am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 7:00am: The carbon tax is going to force up already too high electricity bills, making life very difficult for those who try to survive on a low income... http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/bracing-for-300-jump-in-power-bill-as-the-carbon-tax-hits/story-e6freuzr-1226324322699 That story looks like the tax will bring problems for Australian family lives?

Anything that is related to the incompetent Australian Labor Party almost always does bring huge problems for Australian families.

I do think it is good to take actions on climate change but maybe a tax is not good.

I am glad in Israel we will not do this if I am honest.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 11:02am:

I do think it is good to take actions on climate change but maybe a tax is not good. I am glad in Israel we will not do this if I am honest.

Something must be done, but the world's most expensive carbon tax is not the answer - especially when countries like the US, Japan, China and Russia refuse to do anything similar.

All this carbon tax will achieve will be to make this country far less competitive in the export market, scare off investment (the mining tax is going to help with that) and cost us tens of thousands of jobs as businesses struggle to cope and the cost of living skyrockets.

But that's okay, we may save a few tree's so that Bob Brown and his girl/boyfriend can hug a few trees down in Tassie.

Quote:

Something must be done, but the world's most expensive carbon tax is not the answer

Abbott is on record as saying it is the best option,do you want a link, Tony's office girl? you really need to listen to your boss.

skippy. wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 1:01pm:

Quote: Something must be done, but the world's most expensive carbon tax is not the answer Abbott is on record as saying it is the best option,do you want a link, Tony's office girl? you really need to listen to your boss.

I'll refer you to my response in a different topic to this tired old lie...

The carbon tax is just a small factor in power price increases most of it is because of the high price of coal because of exports and replacing aging inefficient infrastructure.
In the long run a small tax now will be much better than a huge tax for our kids and grand kids.
For those that think electricity prices wont keep rising as coal is dug up and sent over seas and eventually runs out..your very short sighted.
Surely there is no one alive that thinks we shouldn't do everything we can to wean ourselves off dirty, inefficient, finite fossil fuels before we are forced to do so in an emergency situation.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 10:52am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 12th, 2012 at 7:00am: The carbon tax is going to force up already too high electricity bills, making life very difficult for those who try to survive on a low income... http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/bracing-for-300-jump-in-power-bill-as-the-carbon-tax-hits/story-e6freuzr-1226324322699 That story looks like the tax will bring problems for Australian family lives?

gO PUSH BLACK/GAY CULTURE SOMEWHERE ELSE!!  :o :o :o  :-X

adelcrow wrote on Apr 14^th, 2012 at 1:11pm:

The carbon tax is just a small factor in power price increases most of it is because of the high price of coal because of exports and replacing aging inefficient infrastructure. In the long run a small tax now will be much better than a huge tax for our kids and grand kids. For those that think electricity prices wont keep rising as coal is dug up and sent over seas and eventually runs out..your very short sighted. Surely there is no one alive that thinks we shouldn't do everything we can to wean ourselves off dirty, inefficient, finite fossil fuels before we are forced to do so in an emergency situation.

But it is yet another unncessary and inffective tax that can only make everything more expensive while giving nothing back in return.