Yeah its already signed

Further reading

Thing is we werent consulted (as the people) and this "agreement" is behind the laws and attitude of the govt towards internet that we will be seeing form now on. ISPs forced to spy on their users and other draconian pieces of legislation are either underway or already implemented.

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Freedom is not a fair price for 'safety'

Signing ACTA was a crime.

No more, no less.

Kat wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 6:45pm:

Signing ACTA was a crime. No more, no less.

Yeah. I dunno if abbott would try to change anything if he were in power either. Its already done. He would just continue the push towards whatever they are pushing towards. Its not just internet privacy either its medical supplies and stuff as well.

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bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 4:12pm:

Freedom is not a fair price for 'safety'

It never was, PP, but they seem to think it's OK nowadays.

I tend to disagree with that.

The right to freedom should always take precedence over the desire for safety.

No matter what.

Kat wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 6:48pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 10th, 2012 at 4:12pm: Freedom is not a fair price for 'safety' It never was, PP, but they seem to think it's OK nowadays. I tend to disagree with that. The right to freedom should always take precedence over the desire for safety. No matter what.

Wel my question is what can we do about it? As far as I know ACTA doesnt come into effect until Europe signs. We cant really influence that though. Then after that we get all the new laws that make us compliant with it.

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 8:21am:

Kat wrote on Apr 10th, 2012 at 6:48pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 10th, 2012 at 4:12pm: Freedom is not a fair price for 'safety' It never was, PP, but they seem to think it's OK nowadays. I tend to disagree with that. The right to freedom should always take precedence over the desire for safety. No matter what. Wel my question is what can we do about it? As far as I know ACTA doesnt come into effect until Europe signs. We cant really influence that though. Then after that we get all the new laws that make us compliant with it. SOB

Good question, the answer:
Not much.

Stopping something like acta would take a lot of people standing up and saying enough is enough.
But considering how lazy we all are and how most of our population has been brainwashed into thinking that standing up for your freedoms is something only 'poofters' or 'hippies' would do we don’t have much chance.

ACTA is only one brick of a large wall the government is building to isolate the public from its freedoms over the other side.
It’s already too tall to climb and they are aiming for the sky.

ACTA is a bill which will develop over time, a bill like this never gets passed in its entirety, they will add on bits here and there over the years.

It scares me how compliant people are.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 9:53am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 8:21am: Kat wrote on Apr 10th, 2012 at 6:48pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 10th, 2012 at 4:12pm: Freedom is not a fair price for 'safety' It never was, PP, but they seem to think it's OK nowadays. I tend to disagree with that. The right to freedom should always take precedence over the desire for safety. No matter what. Wel my question is what can we do about it? As far as I know ACTA doesnt come into effect until Europe signs. We cant really influence that though. Then after that we get all the new laws that make us compliant with it. SOB Good question, the answer: Not much. Stopping something like acta would take a lot of people standing up and saying enough is enough. But considering how lazy we all are and how most of our population has been brainwashed into thinking that standing up for your freedoms is something only 'poofters' or 'hippies' would do we don’t have much chance. ACTA is only one brick of a large wall the government is building to isolate the public from its freedoms over the other side. It’s already too tall to climb and they are aiming for the sky. ACTA is a bill which will develop over time, a bill like this never gets passed in its entirety, they will add on bits here and there over the years. It scares me how compliant people are.

This is the scariest thing about ACTA. It isnt a bill really its a "trade agreement" which will be behind all the legislation to come. It creates the "need" for it. Its firggin scary is what it is.

"freedoms is something only 'poofters' or 'hippies' would do we don’t have much chance."

Heh nobody wants to be called "rent-a-crowd"

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bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 9:53am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 8:21am: Kat wrote on Apr 10th, 2012 at 6:48pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 10th, 2012 at 4:12pm: Freedom is not a fair price for 'safety' It never was, PP, but they seem to think it's OK nowadays. I tend to disagree with that. The right to freedom should always take precedence over the desire for safety. No matter what. Wel my question is what can we do about it? As far as I know ACTA doesnt come into effect until Europe signs. We cant really influence that though. Then after that we get all the new laws that make us compliant with it. SOB Good question, the answer: Not much. Stopping something like acta would take a lot of people standing up and saying enough is enough. But considering how lazy we all are and how most of our population has been brainwashed into thinking that standing up for your freedoms is something only 'poofters' or 'hippies' would do we don’t have much chance. ACTA is only one brick of a large wall the government is building to isolate the public from its freedoms over the other side. It’s already too tall to climb and they are aiming for the sky. ACTA is a bill which will develop over time, a bill like this never gets passed in its entirety, they will add on bits here and there over the years. It scares me how compliant people are.

The Americans have finally awoken to the danger, and are
fighting back against this sort of BS, with some success.

Meanwhile, we simply sit here and take it up the ass as usual.

I dunno........

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The Americans have finally awoken to the danger, and are fighting back against this sort of BS, with some success. Meanwhile, we simply sit here and take it up the ass as usual. I dunno........

Even they are so far away from change tho, they fought of sopa and pipa but now have another bill even more restrictive coming in.
The government is probably toying with them.

We don’t even ask for lube or dinner.

The Americans have finally awoken to the danger, and are
fighting back against this sort of BS, with some success.

Meanwhile, we simply sit here and take it up the ass as usual.

ACtually yeah. the americans have woken up to it but too late imo. They are fighting the aftermath the SOPA and PIPA and the newest one CISPA. They are going to keep coming with this because Obama signed ACTA some time ago without congress approval. They knew about it but they couldn't do anything about it (congress).

The americans are almost as powerless as us against it imo. Its going to come in on the back of something irrelevant in the end but it will come in unless something drastic is done.

ACTA is under the guise of "anti counterfeiting" and completely misleading.

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bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 10:21am:

Quote: The Americans have finally awoken to the danger, and are fighting back against this sort of BS, with some success. Meanwhile, we simply sit here and take it up the ass as usual. I dunno........ Even they are so far away from change tho, they fought of sopa and pipa but now have another bill even more restrictive coming in. The government is probably toying with them. We don’t even ask for lube or dinner.

Lol. We posted @ the same time. Yeah I agree thier govt is prolly toying with them. They will do what they want to do just like ours. And the UK is even worse from what I have seen lately.

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Lol. We posted @ the same time. Yeah I agree thier govt is prolly toying with them. They will do what they want to do just like ours. And the UK is even worse from what I have seen lately. SOB

They know that they don’t stand a chance in hell, unless they launch an armed revolution.
All the governments scare me shytless now.
The dictatorship is becoming obvious, the chains are becoming visible.

Apparently CISPA has been passed now.

Link to a random article about it

Cant say I understand exactly how yank politics work but this isnt good @ any rate.

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> Signing ACTA was a crime. No more, no less.

Quite true, but only one amongst a plethora. I'll stick in my two cents worth here. As a long-time FOSS/Linux user I'm well acquainted with issues about online freedom. The Electronic Frontiers Foundation (EFF) does most of the leg-work here, but it's worth knowing about two other things that are major obstacles to what the GDG is after: IPv6 and the DNS.

These are complex technical issues, but can be explained simply for those interested. A useful simplification would be to say that the ideal First Attack would be to impose geographical borders on the Inet, but DNS makes this difficult, as does the IPv4 currently in use. IPv6 should have been here by now, and one reason it's not is probably because they're trying to figure out how to f**k you with it.

What precautions and alternatives are there for people to maintain their privacy and anonymity on the internet, the Government spying on me does not sound right.

> What precautions and alternatives are there for people to maintain their privacy and anonymity on the internet, the Government spying on me does not sound right.

First up, much of the media stir is FUD - Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt - the ongoing psychological war. Second, most privacy breaches are self-inflicted. Anyone who posts their details on Facebook is, bluntly, an idiot. Third, anyone still using Microsoft is equally stupid. The presence of an NSA gateway in Windows has been documented for a decade ("How NSA access was built into Windows" by Campbell 1999), and most home machine breaches occur via Outlook. There are NO viruses that succeed with Linux, and very little spam.

The coming deluge will be with "cloud storage" as the sheeple race to embrace it. Go to BlackListedNews (adding the dotcom) and look for an article on Google Drive. Bear in mind that ALL electronic communications are now stored on gigantic NSA servers - there's been one in Sydney since the late nineties - and send anything private by snail-mail.

Other than that, it's just a matter of waiting to see who wins the looming battle.

ACTA is not a law. It is not a breach of privacy. It is not in itself a threat to anything. What it is is a trade agreement. Under a misleading title. An agreement to bring in laws and breach privacy and whatever else. ACTA is the main reason so many countries are getting these new concerns with technology and privacy. They have to bring themselves up to the standards specified in the agreements.

Its not just the internet in there either. We are going to start finding less and less choice in medicines too.

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> ACTA is not a law. It is not a breach of privacy ... They have to bring themselves up to the standards specified in the agreements.

A useful clarification.

> Its not just the internet in there either. We are going to start finding less and less choice in medicines too.

And food. Family farms are rapidly disappearing in the US, and the same is happening here, being bought over by TNC agribusinesses. And water. Fresh (i.e. potable) water resources are now prime targets of TNC acquisition. They haven't yet figured out how to buy the atmosphere, but I'm sure they're working on it. Keep breathing whilst it's still free.

Good news!

ACTA rejected by EU!

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/305934,eu-trade-committee-rejects-acta.aspx


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As countries head to final vote. The European Union's International Trade Committee has rejected plans to ratify the controversial Anti-Counterfeit Trade Agreement (ACTA) by 19 to 12 votes. In a further setback for the treaty, the influential committee formally adopted the views of three separate sub-committees of the European Union, which all voted against ACTA earlier this month. The treaty, which proposes to make changes to international intellectual property and trade law, has received wide criticism from a number of sectors and governments globally. Several European governments had previously indicated disdain for ACTA's provisions. The committee's final vote also appears as an affirmation of a draft report into the agreement, which advised the “intended benefits of this international agreement are far outweighed by the potential threats to civil liberties". "Given the vagueness of certain aspects of the text and the uncertainty intended benefits of this international agreement are far outweighed by the potential threats to civil liberties," the report said. It was the fifth such rejection for ACTA in recent months, ahead of a planned final vote on ratification by the full European Parliament on July 4. Great Britain representative to the EU, David Martin, said it was revealing that not one person on the committee had put forward a motion to vote in favour of ACTA. “The only options were either to delay the vote, which was lost 12 to 19, or to reject it, which was carried 19 to 12,” Martin said. It was a margin larger than anticipated for Martin, who has pressed for the treaty's rejection. He stressed that the vote should not be construed as a vote against intellectual property but simply the treaty itself. Though Europe needed to protect its intellectual property globally, he said ACTA’s provisions were too vague, leaving unanswered questions on the role of internet service providers in policing the internet. He said there was no definition of “commercial usage” in the treaty and proposed sanctions against breaches of copyright seemed disproportionate. “In the end when it became a choice between defending our intellectual property or defending our civil liberties, I am pleased that the majority of the committee decided that civil liberties should win over," he said. 'Disappointment' But the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI), representing the recording industry, blasted the vote as a blow to Europe's creative, innovative and manufacturing sectors. IFPI urged responsible consideration of ACTA before its final vote in July. "The majority of jobs in our knowledge-based societies rely on intellectual property," said Johannes Studinger, head of global union UNI's media and entertainment arm (pdf). "Counterfeiting and piracy, including on the internet, are creating a global black market threatening the economic basis of real jobs in the creative industries. It's a global problem that needs a global response. We need a tool like ACTA to improve international cooperation in IPR protection." US professor Sean Flynn, a long-time critic of the treaty, said the likely end of the treaty in Europe may also spell the end for the US’ more aggressive demands for intellectual property in a similar treaty currently under negotiation, the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP). "The US demands in the TPP go far beyond ACTA on the most controversial subjects, including the evergreening of patents on medicines and regulation of the internet," he said. So far Australia has only exempted itself from TPP provisions that would allow multi-national corporations with the backing of an international tribunal to trump local legislation on some matters. The provision was seen as a potential obstacle to the Federal Government's attempts to instate plain packaging for cigarettes. Despite the European Union's continued rejections, Martin said six of the remaining signatories – including Australia – could still ratify ACTA. Once the treaty was in force, Europe could renegotiate its participation in the treaty before re-voting on its ratification.

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Kat wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 6:48pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 10th, 2012 at 4:12pm: Freedom is not a fair price for 'safety' It never was, PP, but they seem to think it's OK nowadays. I tend to disagree with that. The right to freedom should always take precedence over the desire for safety. No matter what.

So you think we should abolish the drink driving laws and allow people the freedon to drive drunk?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 4:08pm:

Yeah its already signed Further reading Thing is we werent consulted (as the people) and this "agreement" is behind the laws and attitude of the govt towards internet that we will be seeing form now on. ISPs forced to spy on their users and other draconian pieces of legislation are either underway or already implemented. SOB

Oh so now you want to be consulted, maybe even a referendum?  Well thats a turn up for the books, why not one for the Carbon Tax, GST, Privatizations, Mas Immigration, noworkchoices, noworkcover, the ETS and all the rest of it or is it only this one issue you want to be consulted on?

Prevailing wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 11:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 10th, 2012 at 4:08pm: Yeah its already signed Further reading Thing is we werent consulted (as the people) and this "agreement" is behind the laws and attitude of the govt towards internet that we will be seeing form now on. ISPs forced to spy on their users and other draconian pieces of legislation are either underway or already implemented. SOB Oh so now you want to be consulted, maybe even a referendum?  Well thats a turn up for the books, why not one for the Carbon Tax, GST, Privatizations, Mas Immigration, noworkchoices, noworkcover, the ETS and all the rest of it or is it only this one issue you want to be consulted on?

When have i ever said we shouldn't be consulted on anything?

This one is a bit different though - it was secret. They werent even going to TELL us about it until too late.

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 12:07pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jun 22nd, 2012 at 11:54am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 10th, 2012 at 4:08pm: Yeah its already signed Further reading Thing is we werent consulted (as the people) and this "agreement" is behind the laws and attitude of the govt towards internet that we will be seeing form now on. ISPs forced to spy on their users and other draconian pieces of legislation are either underway or already implemented. SOB Oh so now you want to be consulted, maybe even a referendum?  Well thats a turn up for the books, why not one for the Carbon Tax, GST, Privatizations, Mas Immigration, noworkchoices, noworkcover, the ETS and all the rest of it or is it only this one issue you want to be consulted on? When have i ever said we shouldn't be consulted on anything? This one is a bit different though - it was secret. They werent even going to TELL us about it until too late. SOB

So was the change to the marriage act, but you seem to think its only this one thing we need democracy on, nothing else....why is that?  I am not buying it, you have zero credibility standing up against Government abuses in fact you cheer them on and are an apologist for them.  Could it be that you are afraid this one little change could allow vast quantities of evidence to be stored which one day could be used to bring down the vast world Mafia we call the global economy that you love so much?

Prevailing wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 12:21pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 22nd, 2012 at 12:07pm: Prevailing wrote on Jun 22nd, 2012 at 11:54am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 10th, 2012 at 4:08pm: Yeah its already signed Further reading Thing is we werent consulted (as the people) and this "agreement" is behind the laws and attitude of the govt towards internet that we will be seeing form now on. ISPs forced to spy on their users and other draconian pieces of legislation are either underway or already implemented. SOB Oh so now you want to be consulted, maybe even a referendum?  Well thats a turn up for the books, why not one for the Carbon Tax, GST, Privatizations, Mas Immigration, noworkchoices, noworkcover, the ETS and all the rest of it or is it only this one issue you want to be consulted on? When have i ever said we shouldn't be consulted on anything? This one is a bit different though - it was secret. They werent even going to TELL us about it until too late. SOB So was the change to the marriage act, but you seem to think its only this one thing we need democracy on, nothing else....why is that?  I am not buying it, you have zero credibility standing up against Government abuses in fact you cheer them on and are an apologist for them.  Could it be that you are afraid this one little change could allow vast quantities of evidence to be stored which one day could be used to bring down the vast world Mafia we call the global economy that you love so much?

What are you on about? I wasnt happy about the change to the marriage act either? WTF are you talking about? I think you are confusing me with someone else mate.

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 12:25pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jun 22nd, 2012 at 12:21pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 22nd, 2012 at 12:07pm: Prevailing wrote on Jun 22nd, 2012 at 11:54am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 10th, 2012 at 4:08pm: Yeah its already signed Further reading Thing is we werent consulted (as the people) and this "agreement" is behind the laws and attitude of the govt towards internet that we will be seeing form now on. ISPs forced to spy on their users and other draconian pieces of legislation are either underway or already implemented. SOB Oh so now you want to be consulted, maybe even a referendum?  Well thats a turn up for the books, why not one for the Carbon Tax, GST, Privatizations, Mas Immigration, noworkchoices, noworkcover, the ETS and all the rest of it or is it only this one issue you want to be consulted on? When have i ever said we shouldn't be consulted on anything? This one is a bit different though - it was secret. They werent even going to TELL us about it until too late. SOB So was the change to the marriage act, but you seem to think its only this one thing we need democracy on, nothing else....why is that?  I am not buying it, you have zero credibility standing up against Government abuses in fact you cheer them on and are an apologist for them.  Could it be that you are afraid this one little change could allow vast quantities of evidence to be stored which one day could be used to bring down the vast world Mafia we call the global economy that you love so much? What are you on about? I wasnt happy about the change to the marriage act either? WTF are you talking about? I think you are confusing me with someone else mate. SOB

So what about a Carbon Tax, an ETS, Asian political and economic union, the single Asian union currency and constitution - no need for referendums on that eh - your political heroes are just free to move forward on that and leave us on a need to know basis eh....

Oh. corporate Whitey. oops.

*backs away slowly*

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 12:46pm:

Oh. corporate Whitey. oops. *backs away slowly* SOB

The usual Government thug evasions and diversionary propaganda tactic.

Its all a conspiracy theory of kooks according to hirelings like spot of borg...


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Gillard to put Asian integration at the top of the business agenda     by: David Crowe, National affairs editor     From: The Australian     June 08, 2012 12:00AM     Increase Text Size     Decrease Text Size     Print INTEGRATION with Asia will dominate Julia Gillard's economic forum next week as she outlines a "growth and reform" agenda that urges business to capitalise on opportunities around the region. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/gillard-to-put-asian-integration-at-the-top-of-the-business-agenda/story-fn59nm2j-1226388088074

That tactic does not hold water, its simply propaganda, the reality is they are doing it and it is organized crime and they don't want you having a vote on whether you want this course.:P

Yeah mate. I am a masonic illuminati reptilian oppressor. Better watch out!

http://occupycorporatism.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/picture-of-reptilian-alien.gif

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 1:30pm:

Yeah mate. I am a masonic illuminati reptilian oppressor. Better watch out! http://occupycorporatism.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/picture-of-reptilian-alien.gif SOB

You are a lying Nazi thug and the only reason you are against ACTA is you are afraid you might just get caught, and your mafia diversionary propagand is transparent. :P

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You are a lying Nazi thug and the only reason you are against ACTA is you are afraid you might just get caught, and your mafia diversionary propagand is transparent. Tongue

Do you actually know what ACTA is? Its not a law. . . . its an international agreement to MAKE laws . . .

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 2:39pm:

Quote: You are a lying Nazi thug and the only reason you are against ACTA is you are afraid you might just get caught, and your mafia diversionary propagand is transparent. Tongue Do you actually know what ACTA is? Its not a law. . . . its an international agreement to MAKE laws . . . SOB

Come on...a little bit of trade protectionism never hurt anyone...

Shame Gillard, shame organized crime, shame mafia, shame Nazis!

Apparently opposing ACTA is "soft terrorism" now.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120626/09565719492/eu-parlamentarian-gallo-acta-dissent-soft-form-terrorism.shtml


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EU Parlamentarian Gallo: ACTA Dissent 'A Soft Form Of Terrorism' from the she-finally-said-it dept Marielle Gallo is probably best known for the Gallo Report, which Techdirt described back in 2010 as a "similarly draconian intellectual property enforcement" to ACTA, with which it has much in common. So it's no surprise that Gallo has been one of the few vocal supporters of ACTA, and it was widely expected that the EU's Legal Affairs (JURI) committee she chairs would support her draft opinion calling for ACTA to be ratified. As we now know, that didn't happen, and JURI formed one of five committees that all recommended that ACTA should be rejected. Gallo must be a little taken aback by this turnaround: from easily pushing through her Report with its harsh proposals against copyright infringement, she now finds herself increasingly marginalized within the European Parliament on the subject of ACTA precisely because of its disproportionate measures designed to deal with copyright infringement online. A fascinating interview in PC INpact (original in French) gives us an insight into her state of mind at the moment.. As you might expect, she speaks of the "the disinformation campaign we have been enduring for the past months", the standard line taken by the European Commission and its allies. She also makes the interesting claim that "We're supposed to represent citizens, but since they are busy with other things, we are supposed to think for them!" But she reserves her choicest words for the people who have dared to disagree with the pro-ACTA camp:     It's not only a disinformation campaign. It's a soft form of terrorism that frightens people. People are being scared. It's a fantasy. ACTA has become a fantasy. And that, that's propagated by the whole Internet network. So there we have it. Anyone who dares to disagree with those politicians doing all that thinking are "soft" terrorists, making subversive use of "the whole Internet network" to spread their "fantasy." It was probably inevitable that someone would play the politicians' trump card -- terrorism – against ACTA opponents; and it's no surprise that it was Marielle Gallo that finally did so.

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This legislation is crucial for collation evidence of online conspiracy by organized political thugs to commit crimes against humanity, Democide and Genocide.  This legislation could one day make possible a future prosecution similar to the Nuremberg trials should such a human catastrophe occur again and bring such monsters to justice.  Evidence of a crime should never be subject to privacy protection, that is an abuse of the principle - nothing to hide, nothing to be ashamed of - don't bother me... 8-)

EU parliament overwhelmingly rejects ACTA.

More here........


http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18704192

Kat wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 11:37pm:

EU parliament overwhelmingly rejects ACTA. More here........ http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18704192

Yeah thats good news. Apparently the EU rejecting it will seriously f** it up for the rest of the signatories and make it unworkable. Back to the drawing board hopefully.

Thankyou Julian Assange.

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