Beer-Sheva, Israel - "It is not every day that a government decides to relocate almost half a per cent of its population in a programme of forced urbanization."

http://www.international.to/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5744:uprooting-30000-bedouin-in-israel-&catid=56:neve-gordan&Itemid=86

The people of  Israel were chosen to be a terrorist nation.

Poor people.
They should leave them alone.

Quote:

In some cases, Bedouin were already living where the town was built, but the large majority of the Bedouin were relocated once again and moved into these Bedouin-only towns. Some did it of their own volition, while others were forced. The price that most families had to pay for their own displacement was hefty: renouncing the right to large portions of their land and giving up their rural way of life. For many years following the establishment of each town, the Bedouin residents were not allowed to hold democratic elections and their municipalities were run by Jewish officials from the Ministry of Interior. The towns also rapidly turned into over-crowded townships, with dilapidated infrastructure and hardly any employment opportunities. Currently, all seven townships, which are home to about 135,000 people, are ranked one on the Israeli socio-economic scale of one (lowest) to ten (highest), and are characterised by a high unemployment, high birth rates and third-rate education institutions.

Can anyone say 'ghetto?'

The Israelis should know better.

Many do. I've heard numerous Jews speak and write passionately about the sins of Zionism and the harm it is doing to the spirit of the Jewish people.

MOTR wrote on Apr 6^th, 2012 at 4:55pm:

Many do. I've heard numerous Jews speak and write passionately about the sins of Zionism and the harm it is doing to the spirit of the Jewish people.

The jews oppress the smart ones so much that you hardly ever hear about them tho.
Its not so hard to see how many jews actually opose everything Israel does on the internet tho.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

MOTR wrote on Apr 6th, 2012 at 4:55pm: Many do. I've heard numerous Jews speak and write passionately about the sins of Zionism and the harm it is doing to the spirit of the Jewish people. The jews oppress the smart ones so much that you hardly ever hear about them tho. Its not so hard to see how many jews actually opose everything Israel does on the internet tho.

I'm not sure how much it's got to do with intelligence. Smart people can be incredibly ruthless.

My question for Avram is what influence does national service have on the political opinions of young Israelis.

MOTR wrote on Apr 6^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 6th, 2012 at 5:00pm: MOTR wrote on Apr 6th, 2012 at 4:55pm: Many do. I've heard numerous Jews speak and write passionately about the sins of Zionism and the harm it is doing to the spirit of the Jewish people. The jews oppress the smart ones so much that you hardly ever hear about them tho. Its not so hard to see how many jews actually opose everything Israel does on the internet tho. I'm not sure how much it's got to do with intelligence. Smart people can be incredibly ruthless. My question for Avram is what influence does national service have on the political opinions of young Israelis.

Well someone who supports the war probably doesn’t have as much analytical intelligence as someone who doesn’t. But I wasn’t really trying to make a point on smart people.


It is a good question, did he answer?

Not yet. You'd think in that type of organization there must be a degree of indoctrination.

MOTR wrote on Apr 7^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

Not yet. You'd think in that type of organization there must be a degree of indoctrination.

It is guaranteed,
An effective army needs indoctrination of hatred for the enemy, anger, oppressed emotion and even belittling by higher ranks.
In fact it’s actually a liability not to condition soldiers.
In ww1 and before it was worked out that a lot of soldiers would actually fire over the enemy because they did not want to kill a person.

There is no doubt that Avram has a high level of bias, it’s not his fault tho. Almost everyone has a bias for the place they grow up in, if they have been conditioned in an army this bias is even greater.

MOTR wrote on Apr 6^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

My question for Avram is what influence does national service have on the political opinions of young Israelis.

My apologize for late of response to your question but i was observe the Jewish Shabbat with extra day too for allowance of not be in Israel.

National services does have influence but this is not so because of what army is tell us but opinions is change because of experiences with Palestinians.

You know me, i grows up in Tel Aviv which is not so much in the troubles and is more peace. But when is national services i can be in Golan, West Bank, Gaze and so on so on.

Then i deals with Palestinians everyday and you know you has opinions change of peoples who throw rocks to you and try to shoot to you and also bring you into open air so is sniper shots.

Before maybe i has not much opinions on Palestinians so then after i start think they are not nice and they have so hatred to me for no reasons.

I am still not so strong of warlike opinions. I voted for Ehud Barak last time and he is more peace man than Netanyahu (he gets votes from many Russian imigrant to Israel and from Religion Orthodoxes).

But no the army is not political doctrine, there is no classes. You know that is why we do not have orthodox in the army because is they will not be able to be secular like i am.

So yes opinions is change but is more because of behavior of Palestinians to me than is army do or say.

And just when you think they couldn't go too far....

Anybody getting a great sense of irony out of all this?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 6^th, 2012 at 6:35am:

The people of  Israel were chosen to be a terrorist nation.

This is a most silly thing to says.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 7^th, 2012 at 6:55pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 6th, 2012 at 6:35am: The people of  Israel were chosen to be a terrorist nation. This is a most silly thing to says.

Not really..modern Israel does rely on terrorising innocent people to keep control over the occupied lands.

So Israel plans on moving 30,000 Bedouin away from their primitive "villages" in the desert which have no amenities to government-authorized villages connected to power and water lines?

I can't see a problem here.

adelcrow wrote on Apr 7^th, 2012 at 7:34pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 7th, 2012 at 6:55pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 6th, 2012 at 6:35am: The people of  Israel were chosen to be a terrorist nation. This is a most silly thing to says. Not really..modern Israel does rely on terrorising innocent people to keep control over the occupied lands.

Israel isn't occupying anybody else's lands.

Israel gained independence from the British Mandate of Palestine (which was never a sovereign state) which, in turn, was once part of Greater Syria.

Israel isn't even the only state to break away from the British Mandate of Palestine.  Jordan did, too.  But, as Jordan is a Muslim state, we never hear anybody complaining about that.  It's just that the Israel-haters are Jew-haters.  If Israel was a Muslim there would be no complaints.

Cofgod wrote on Apr 7^th, 2012 at 10:03pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 7th, 2012 at 7:34pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 7th, 2012 at 6:55pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 6th, 2012 at 6:35am: The people of  Israel were chosen to be a terrorist nation. This is a most silly thing to says. Not really..modern Israel does rely on terrorising innocent people to keep control over the occupied lands. Israel isn't occupying anybody else's lands. Israel gained independence from the British Mandate of Palestine (which was never a sovereign state) which, in turn, was once part of Greater Syria. Israel isn't even the only state to break away from the British Mandate of Palestine.  Jordan did, too.  But, as Jordan is a Muslim state, we never hear anybody complaining about that.  It's just that the Israel-haters are Jew-haters.  If Israel was a Muslim there would be no complaints.

Your grasp of history is quite poor.

The British invaded Palestine and Jordan at the end of WWI. The French invaded Syria and Lebanon.

Jordan was under a different administration. The British had a deal with the some Arab bandits and therefore installed them as the monarchy in Jordan and Iraq.

The British always planned to keep Palestine and Jordan separate.

The British only left Palestine after a large number Jewish terrorist attacks killed scores of British in the 1940's. The Jews killed Lord Moyne as well as UN mediator Folke Bernadotte.

Jewish terrorist attacks were also attempted but failed on the British Colonial Office in Whitehall, and a number of British officials were targetted for assassination.

Lord Moyne AssasinatedBy Jewish Terrorists in 1944


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7yyXwwwTiwI/Tij5_Sk6mEI/AAAAAAAAwjs/xxChCoWqG-E/s1600/LordMoyne.jpg



In September 1948, Jewish Terrorists also killed UN mediator Folke Bernadotte in Jerusalem, five months after Israel was established. Yitzhak Shamir personally approved the assassination.
http://i.qkme.me/3539x4.jpg


In July 1946, Irgun terrorists bombed the King David Hotel, massacring 92 Brits, Arabs and Jews, wounding 58 others. Future prime minister David Ben-Gurion approved it as head of the Jewish Agency at the time.
http://www.bollyn.com/public/2BeginKingDavidHotel.jpg


Jewish Terrorists Attack British At king David Hotel
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/KD_1946.JPG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_%28group%29

falah wrote on Apr 7^th, 2012 at 10:17pm:

Your grasp of history is quite poor. The British invaded Palestine and Jordan at the end of WWI. The French invaded Syria and Lebanon. Jordan was under a different administration. The British had a deal with the some Arab bandits and therefore installed them as the monarchy in Jordan and Iraq. The British always planned to keep Palestine and Jordan separate. The British only left Palestine after a large number Jewish terrorist attacks killed scores of British in the 1940's. The Jews killed Lord Moyne as well as UN mediator Folke Bernadotte. Jewish terrorist attacks were also attempted but failed on the British Colonial Office in Whitehall, and a number of British officials were targetted for assassination.

So??

What are you struggling to express?

Cofgod wrote on Apr 7^th, 2012 at 10:01pm:

So Israel plans on moving 30,000 Bedouin away from their primitive "villages" in the desert which have no amenities to government-authorized villages connected to power and water lines? I can't see a problem here.

How about you start listening to the Bedouins, that might encourage to look beyond that colonialist perspective you view the world through.

Here is an example of what relocation means to the Bedouins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZEU4YSrnKI&sns=em

MOTR wrote on Apr 7^th, 2012 at 11:10pm:

Cofgod wrote on Apr 7th, 2012 at 10:01pm: So Israel plans on moving 30,000 Bedouin away from their primitive "villages" in the desert which have no amenities to government-authorized villages connected to power and water lines? I can't see a problem here. How about you start listening to the Bedouins, that might encourage to look beyond that colonialist perspective you view the world through.

Have you listened to the Beduins? Name one you have listened to.
WHat did he say to you?

MOTR wrote on Apr 7^th, 2012 at 11:10pm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZEU4YSrnKI&sns=em

I didn't see any Beduins in that clip. Did you?

Or is the English bloke a Beduin?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K7WARi6yIE&sns=em


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAaATrP2Txs&sns=em


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeuZUdanUGg&sns=em

Some of this incorrect reportage i do not think it helps Middle East peace scenarios.

Which part is incorrect?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 8^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

Which part is incorrect?

It is bias.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 8^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

Which part is incorrect?

It's neo-nazi propaganda........

How do you figrue, Swagman?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 8^th, 2012 at 11:00am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 8th, 2012 at 10:40am: Which part is incorrect? It is bias.

You keep saying that.

How is it biased? Which part is untrue?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 8^th, 2012 at 1:11pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 8th, 2012 at 11:00am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 8th, 2012 at 10:40am: Which part is incorrect? It is bias. You keep saying that. How is it biased? Which part is untrue?

The linked article is a one way street.  It doesn't attempt to explain both sides.  It is therefore biased and just represents propaganda IMO.

Nazis are proven Jew haters.  This article is anti-Jewish, and therefore arguably could be branded neo-nazi propaganda... :(

adelcrow wrote on Apr 7^th, 2012 at 7:34pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 7th, 2012 at 6:55pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 6th, 2012 at 6:35am: The people of  Israel were chosen to be a terrorist nation. This is a most silly thing to says. Not really..modern Israel does rely on terrorising innocent people to keep control over the occupied lands.

Which innocent people are you referring to???






The people to whom these Koran verses are directed to, the people who choose to 'embrace' these Koran verses, don't seem like they would be 'innocents' to me.

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51




No moslem is an innocent person.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON who says "I am a moslem.", has chosen to embrace ISLAM and its tenets, .....ISLAM's tenets of unprovoked violence and oppression against non-moslems.

Swagman wrote on Apr 8^th, 2012 at 1:19pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 8th, 2012 at 1:11pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 8th, 2012 at 11:00am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 8th, 2012 at 10:40am: Which part is incorrect? It is bias. You keep saying that. How is it biased? Which part is untrue? The linked article is a one way street.  It doesn't attempt to explain both sides.  It is therefore biased and just represents propaganda IMO. Nazis are proven Jew haters.  This article is anti-Jewish, and therefore arguably could be branded neo-nazi propaganda... :(

Are they uprooting the Bedouins or not? What's the other side of that?

Assuming it was indicative of a hatred of Jews to talk about the atrocities committed by Israelis, are all antisemites Nazis?

Swagman wrote on Apr 8^th, 2012 at 1:19pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 8th, 2012 at 1:11pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 8th, 2012 at 11:00am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 8th, 2012 at 10:40am: Which part is incorrect? It is bias. You keep saying that. How is it biased? Which part is untrue? The linked article is a one way street.  It doesn't attempt to explain both sides.  It is therefore biased and just represents propaganda IMO. Nazis are proven Jew haters.  This article is anti-Jewish, and therefore arguably could be branded neo-nazi propaganda... :(

With that sort of logic you could prove anything you wanted.

Those who condemn the actions of the Israeli state are not anti-Semite.

All news is biased, an unbiased media depends upon multiple sources of information. You're just used to one that often ignores this side of the story.

Cofgod wrote on Apr 7^th, 2012 at 10:03pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 7th, 2012 at 7:34pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 7th, 2012 at 6:55pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 6th, 2012 at 6:35am: The people of  Israel were chosen to be a terrorist nation. This is a most silly thing to says. Not really..modern Israel does rely on terrorising innocent people to keep control over the occupied lands. Israel isn't occupying anybody else's lands. Israel gained independence from the British Mandate of Palestine (which was never a sovereign state) which, in turn, was once part of Greater Syria. Israel isn't even the only state to break away from the British Mandate of Palestine.  Jordan did, too.  But, as Jordan is a Muslim state, we never hear anybody complaining about that.  It's just that the Israel-haters are Jew-haters. If Israel was a Muslim there would be no complaints.

Exactly so.




The conflict [between Israel and her neighbors], is not about 'land'.

It is a conflict about a difference of culture.



It is a conflict driven by [moslem] intolerance [...of all things un-ISLAMIC].



This conflict [between Israel and her neighbors] is mandated, required, by ISLAMIC culture, doctrines, and ISLAMIC 'holy' texts.....

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

The question is why?

Ignoring that question makes the article and yourself biased.


Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 8^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

Assuming it was indicative of a hatred of Jews to talk about the atrocities committed by Israelis, are all antisemites Nazis?

Well lets just say they drink from the one cup.... :o

It's obviously yet another land grab. If you disagree, how about you tell us why?

From Haaretz. Bias?



Quote:

As part of the plan, which includes financial compensation for people who can prove they have worked the land they lay claim to or offers of alternative land, some 20,000 to 30,000 Bedouin from 13 unrecognized communities will have to move to existing recognized towns. Representatives of groups opposed to the plan said it also went against the recommendations of the 2008 Goldberg Commission report, which found that a grave injustice had been done to the Bedouin, which should be corrected by legalizing as many of the unrecognized communities as possible. The Negev Coexistence Forum for Civil Equality said the cabinet decision was surprising in light of a recent U.N. report on the rights of indigenous peoples, whose author, Prof. James Anaya, criticized Israel's attitude toward its Bedouin citizens and called on the government to stop house demolitions in the Negev. Amnesty International also slammed Sunday's cabinet decision, calling it a serious blow to Bedouin rights to proper housing and saying it did not conform to Israel's international human rights obligations. Amnesty International also said that international standards required the government to consult the Bedouin population on such a plan.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/cabinet-approves-plan-to-relocate-negev-bedouin-1.383842

How long is your time out, PP?

Well you obviously are coming back, if only to make a nuisance out of yourself. You may as well come back and start contributing properly again.

Just make another account and jump right back in.

You're having a tantrum, darling.

Just settle down and jump back in.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 8^th, 2012 at 2:52pm:

You're having a tantrum, darling. Just settle down and jump back in.

Bull I refuse to take part in a group that think that kind of thing is normal

Then don't take part, but stop acting like a child.


Plenty of people get banned - they just come back and continue on, for the most part.

BanLongweeked wrote on Apr 8^th, 2012 at 2:55pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 8th, 2012 at 2:52pm: You're having a tantrum, darling. Just settle down and jump back in. Bull I refuse to take part in a group that think that kind of thing is normal

PP,

I HOPE THAT THE MODERATORS DECIDE TO EXTEND YOUR BAN.

WHY SO ?

AS PUNISHMENT FOR THIS TANTRUM, OF DISREGARDING DISRESPECTING YOUR ORIGINAL BAN.





AND, PP,

YOU ARE A LIAR.

"....I refuse to take part....."

YOU ARE DISRESPECTING THE WILL OF THE MODERATORS,   ......BY WHINING, AND WHINING AND WHINING AND WHINING.

Yadda wrote on Apr 8^th, 2012 at 3:55pm:

BanLongweeked wrote on Apr 8th, 2012 at 2:55pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 8th, 2012 at 2:52pm: You're having a tantrum, darling. Just settle down and jump back in. Bull I refuse to take part in a group that think that kind of thing is normal PP, I HOPE THAT THE MODERATORS DECIDE TO EXTEND YOUR BAN. WHY SO ? AS PUNISHMENT FOR THIS TANTRUM, OF DISREGARDING DISRESPECTING YOUR ORIGINAL BAN. AND, PP, YOU ARE A LIAR. "....I refuse to take part....." YOU ARE DISRESPECTING THE WILL OF THE MODERATORS,   ......BY WHINING, AND WHINING AND WHINING AND WHINING.

Yadda are you Longweekend?

Aussie news reportages is often good and with accuracy.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 8^th, 2012 at 7:05pm:

Aussie news reportages is often good and with accuracy.

Aussie news reports are controlled by the government who finance the media. RT news reports are usually true and good.

falah wrote on Apr 8^th, 2012 at 6:59pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 8th, 2012 at 3:55pm: BanLongweeked wrote on Apr 8th, 2012 at 2:55pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 8th, 2012 at 2:52pm: You're having a tantrum, darling. Just settle down and jump back in. Bull I refuse to take part in a group that think that kind of thing is normal PP, I HOPE THAT THE MODERATORS DECIDE TO EXTEND YOUR BAN. WHY SO ? AS PUNISHMENT FOR THIS TANTRUM, OF DISREGARDING DISRESPECTING YOUR ORIGINAL BAN. AND, PP, YOU ARE A LIAR. "....I refuse to take part....." YOU ARE DISRESPECTING THE WILL OF THE MODERATORS,   ......BY WHINING, AND WHINING AND WHINING AND WHINING. Yadda are you Longweekend?

No, i am Yadda.        ;)

Honest.  [ hehe hehe]

Quote:

A United Nations committee has called on for the withdrawal of an Israeli draft law that would move 30,000 Bedouin living in the Negev to permanent, existing Bedouin communities. According to the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, the Law for the Regulation of the Bedouin Settlement in the Negev is discriminatory and would legalize racist practices.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/un-panel-urges-israel-to-shelve-racist-bedouin-relocation-plan-1.420692

MOTR wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 10:11am:

Quote: A United Nations committee has called on for the withdrawal of an Israeli draft law that would move 30,000 Bedouin living in the Negev to permanent, existing Bedouin communities. According to the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, the Law for the Regulation of the Bedouin Settlement in the Negev is discriminatory and would legalize racist practices. http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/un-panel-urges-israel-to-shelve-racist-bedouin-relocation-plan-1.420692

That is a joke,
Any other nation and the UN would have called for sanctions or intervention about 30 years ago..
And Israelis have the audacity to say that the UN is against them.

Makes me sick to my stomach

UN has often condemned Israeli actions only to have the resolution vetoed by the US.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html

Here is the latest one.

Quote:

On February 18, 2011, the United States vetoed a UN Security Council resolution condemning all Israeli settlements established since 1967 as illegal and calling for an immediate halt to all settlement building. The 14 other Security Council members voted in favor of the resolution. In explaining her veto, US Ambassador Susan E. Rice said the vote should not be misunderstood as support for settlement activity. “On the contrary, we reject in the strongest terms the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlement activity,” she declared. “Continued settlement activity violates Israel’s international commitments, devastates trust between the parties, and threatens the prospects for peace… “Every potential action must be measured against one overriding standard: will it move the parties closer to negotiations and an agreement? Unfortunately, this draft resolution risks hardening the positions of both sides. It could encourage the parties to stay out of negotiations and, if and when they did resume, to return to the Security Council whenever they reach an impasse.”

Are bedouins nomadic?

WAR WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR? - absolutely nothing

red baron wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 3:58pm:

WAR WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR? - absolutely nothing

Is it good for basing songs on?

I have read both sides of the arguments that have gone on for a long time on this subject here. Haven't these same arguments been going on for hundred of years, in the Middle East? Will there ever be consensus? Will there ever be peace? Will people ever stop hating each other because of their faiths?

War what is it good for? - absolutely nothing!

red baron wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 4:54pm:

I have read both sides of the arguments that have gone on for a long time on this subject here. Haven't these same arguments been going on for hundred of years, in the Middle East? Will there ever be consensus? Will there ever be peace? Will people ever stop hating each other because of their faiths? War what is it good for? - absolutely nothing!

Where would Hollywood be if we never had WW2?

You're right baron, old men sit in offices deciding to send young men to war.

Isn't war America's number one industry?

Israel is often told by USA to adjust its policy to the settlements.

The differences is that Israel listen to the USA because we is close ally.

I care nothing for the UN -- they is bias anti-Israel,, always play to the arabs.

Where is the resolution to Syria now??

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 10^th, 2012 at 10:33pm:

Israel is often told by USA to adjust its policy to the settlements. The differences is that Israel listen to the USA because we is close ally. I care nothing for the UN -- they is bias anti-Israel,, always play to the arabs. Where is the resolution to Syria now??

Avram the UN is biased in support of Israel.
Any other country that does something like Israel has done would have the UN calling for sanctions and intervention.

For example what is happening in Syria,
they are just fighting terrorists
but have the UN and world breathing down their backs

If you don’t understand the situation stop making stuff up, this post is just another great example of your bias.

who elected Assad to lead Syria?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 10:48am:

who elected Assad to lead Syria?

His daddy.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 11^th, 2012 at 10:57am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 11th, 2012 at 10:48am: who elected Assad to lead Syria? His daddy.

Welcome to the Arab world.

Yes. It's a disgrace.

But the Arab people have had enough - I hope they keep the momentum flowing. I can't wait to see Assad fall.

Me too but i has a dilemma.

I hate Assad but it is more safe for Israel to has dictators in control of Arabs than Governments.

We was more safe with Mubarak in charge of Egypt.

I understand your concerns.

That whole collateral damage thing is a bitch, isn't it?

Deir Yassin: No passing over history

Israelis and Palestinians alike cannot move forward without addressing massacres from the past.

http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2012/4/9/201249132652128734_20.jpg
Mass grave of Palestinian civilians who were massacred on April 9, 1948

Washington, DC- On April 9, 1948, scores of Palestinian civilians were massacred at the village of Deir Yassin through co-operative efforts of Yishuv forces like the Irgun, Lehi and the Haganah. 

The Zionist narrative on the events of 1948 and the Nakba - the Arabic word for the depopulation of Palestine - talks about the war as a defensive one where there was no intention on behalf of the Israeli forces to shift the demographics by force. Rather, that narrative tells us, the refugees were created during the hostilities which began when five Arab armies invaded Israel the day after it declared its independence on May 15, 1948.

Too often, people who talk about "making peace" advise that we pass over history and look forward without getting lost in the "duelling narratives" of this period. But peace cannot happen without a rectification of past injustices and we cannot approach this without talking about what these injustices are.

The Zionist narrative will counter, defensively, that any injustices are not the fault of Israel and this is where the issue of "duelling narratives" prevents further discussion. 

But there are simple, undeniable facts that any two sane people, Zionist or otherwise, should be able to agree on. For example, I think we can all agree that April 9, 1948, occurred before May 15, 1948. This is not a matter perspective, this is chronology.

When you actually look at the history - even versions documented by Israeli historians using official Israeli archival material - what you learn is that a very significant portion of the total refugees were created long before May 15, 1948. Had it not been for the hundreds and thousands of refugees flowing into Arab states and massacres like Deir Yassin, the Arab armies would likely not have been compelled to intervene.

Clearly, indisputable and historically non-controversial chronological facts blow significant holes in the Zionist narrative about cause and effect. But sequence is not the only problem. The other point of contention Zionists hold is that Israeli actions during the war were defensive and not intended to depopulate.

The goal of the Zionist movement was to establish a Jewish state in the land of Palestine which had a significant non-Jewish majority of Palestinian Arabs. Through years of immigration, the Zionists managed to grow from 11 per cent of Palestine's inhabitants in 1922 to about 30 per cent in 1946.

Refugee creation

The Zionist goal, which was unachievable for decades, came to fruition after 18 months of hostilities when Jews suddenly became 85 per cent of the population of the state of Israel. So, the Zionist narrative will have you believe that the Zionist dream of establishing a state with a Jewish majority, which was unachievable without war then, finally achieved during the fog of one, happened completely by accident.

One does not have to be a supporter of Israel or Palestine to accept this explanation - just astoundingly naïve. 

Sweeping changes in demographics over territory do not happen by accident. In the modern era, they are invariably state-driven initiatives. 

Prior to May 15, 1948, the Israeli state army, or Haganah, was engaged in conquering and razing scores of civilian villages - not military installations. There is really no "defensive" explanation for the demolition of scores of entire civilian villages. The only possible objective behind such actions is to prevent Palestinian Arabs from having homes to live in and thus force them elsewhere.

In March 1948, the United States - which had emerged as a superpower after the Second World War - decided to withdraw its support for the 1947 UN Partition Plan because the vacuum of power created by the impending end of the British Mandate would result "in chaos, heavy fighting and much loss of life in Palestine".

Seeing this, the Zionists knew their shot at achieving a Jewish state through diplomatic means would be delayed at the least, if not abandoned all together. They decided to achieve it by force. That is why the depopulation accelerated at this point.

Within 45 days, before May 15, 1948, nearly 170 towns and villages had been depopulated, accounting for about 380,000 refugees. This period, prior to the entry of Arab armies, saw the highest rate of refugee creation between 1947 and 1949. The effort to change the demography of the landscape by force was in full swing.

We cannot achieve any form of Israeli-Palestinian peace while ignoring this past.

As many marked Easter and Passover this weekend - celebrations of redemption - we should turn our focus today to the anniversary of a massacre and the decisive period of depopulation during which it took place.

Israelis and Palestinians alike cannot move forward without addressing the original sins the state of Israel was built upon.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/04/201249125656342960.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqLBdc98-ag&sns=em


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The Arab villagers residing in the Negev desert in southern Israel have censured a plan approved by the Tel Aviv regime to “displace” people from their land. Bedouins of the village of Alsra in Negev criticized the Israeli plan they say will ultimately displace tens of thousands of villagers. “There is enough room for everybody, but because of the Zionist mentality, they (Israelis) would like to reduce the geographical space of the Bedouins; to transform their life from being semi-nomadic Bedouins to urban people against their will,” an Alsra villager told Press TV on Monday. Israel approved the Praver plan in September 2011, claiming it will address the problem of “unrecognized Bedouin villages” in Negev. Human rights groups have also criticized the Israeli plan, saying it will seriously affect the Bedouin rights. Another Alsra Bedouin told Press TV that plan is like a “daylight robbery.” “We are facing home demolitions. We do not have any basic services; no schools, no clinics, no roads and no electricity.” The Higher Arab Monitoring Committee, which represents Arab communities in Israel, said last year following the approval of the Praver plan that it was a “disaster” which would have “dangerous” consequences. A female resident in the Bedouin village of Alsra said, “The danger that awaits us is the danger of displacement; a threat to our existence on this land. Where do we go? I hope the world hears our case.” About 160,000 Bedouins currently live mainly in and around the Negev desert.

In first 30 seconds see how he refuse to call us Israel and instead call us 'zionist entity'.

You tell me he is no bias?

MOTR wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 6:55pm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqLBdc98-ag&sns=em Quote: The Arab villagers residing in the Negev desert in southern Israel have censured a plan approved by the Tel Aviv regime to “displace” people from their land. Bedouins of the village of Alsra in Negev criticized the Israeli plan they say will ultimately displace tens of thousands of villagers. “There is enough room for everybody, but because of the Zionist mentality, they (Israelis) would like to reduce the geographical space of the Bedouins; to transform their life from being semi-nomadic Bedouins to urban people against their will,” an Alsra villager told Press TV on Monday. Israel approved the Praver plan in September 2011, claiming it will address the problem of “unrecognized Bedouin villages” in Negev. Human rights groups have also criticized the Israeli plan, saying it will seriously affect the Bedouin rights. Another Alsra Bedouin told Press TV that plan is like a “daylight robbery.” “We are facing home demolitions. We do not have any basic services; no schools, no clinics, no roads and no electricity.” The Higher Arab Monitoring Committee, which represents Arab communities in Israel, said last year following the approval of the Praver plan that it was a “disaster” which would have “dangerous” consequences. A female resident in the Bedouin village of Alsra said, “The danger that awaits us is the danger of displacement; a threat to our existence on this land. Where do we go? I hope the world hears our case.” About 160,000 Bedouins currently live mainly in and around the Negev desert.

65,000 will be displaced, buts it ok cause the jews are doing it

ANTI-SEMITISM

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 7:04pm:

ANTI-SEMITISM

SEXIST!

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 6:56pm:

In first 30 seconds see how he refuse to call us Israel and instead call us 'zionist entity'. You tell me he is no bias?

If you mean he is biased against being displaced, I think you might be right.

“There is enough room for everybody, but because of the Zionist mentality, they (Israelis) would like to reduce the geographical space of the Bedouins; to transform their life from being semi-nomadic Bedouins to urban people against their will,” an Alsra villager told Press TV on Monday.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 7:05pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 13th, 2012 at 7:04pm: ANTI-SEMITISM SEXIST!

Is this Aussie humor?
I am not sexist.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 7:06pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 13th, 2012 at 7:05pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 13th, 2012 at 7:04pm: ANTI-SEMITISM SEXIST! Is this Aussie humor? I am not sexist.

OHHH YOU RACIST BIGOT!!!!

MOTR wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 7:06pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 13th, 2012 at 6:56pm: In first 30 seconds see how he refuse to call us Israel and instead call us 'zionist entity'. You tell me he is no bias? If you mean he is biased against being displaced, I think you might be right. “There is enough room for everybody, but because of the Zionist mentality, they (Israelis) would like to reduce the geographical space of the Bedouins; to transform their life from being semi-nomadic Bedouins to urban people against their will,” an Alsra villager told Press TV on Monday.

i did not like his attitude.
Let me tell you how many like him i has seen in the territories tell me and my unit that we are not welcome.
Many times. Immediate i can tell from his accent where he is from.

You know the reporter is Palestinian?

Of course you weren't welcome.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 7:13pm:

You know the reporter is Palestinian?

And you are a Jewish Israeli. Was he saying any untruths.

MOTR wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 7:14pm:

Of course you weren't welcome.

Then you can not tell me they does not have already opinion of Israel before any incident has happen.

I am told 3 years ago i am not welcome by 50 year old man when i walks over and tells him to move his car.
He tells me this is "not my country" and "speak arabic here and not hebrew"

Tell me they opinion is not already so done before we has start??

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 7:13pm:

You know the reporter is Palestinian?

Shouldnt you base your opinion on the facts and not who is saying it?
Remember that word bias?

MOTR wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 7:15pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 13th, 2012 at 7:13pm: You know the reporter is Palestinian? And you are a Jewish Israeli. Was he saying any untruths.

He is bias. Tell me that he likes state of Israel???

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 7:16pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 13th, 2012 at 7:13pm: You know the reporter is Palestinian? Shouldnt you base your opinion on the facts and not who is saying it? Remember that word bias?

From my experience most Palestinians are liars.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 7:17pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Apr 13th, 2012 at 7:16pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 13th, 2012 at 7:13pm: You know the reporter is Palestinian? Shouldnt you base your opinion on the facts and not who is saying it? Remember that word bias? From my experience most Palestinians are liars.

And what have they been lying about?
Once again base your opinion and what is being said not who is saying it

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 7:16pm:

MOTR wrote on Apr 13th, 2012 at 7:14pm: Of course you weren't welcome. Then you can not tell me they does not have already opinion of Israel before any incident has happen. I am told 3 years ago i am not welcome by 50 year old man when i walks over and tells him to move his car. He tells me this is "not my country" and "speak arabic here and not hebrew" Tell me they opinion is not already so done before we has start??

Do you see how I mean?
They has already opinion which take situation already to confrontation -- even simply situation like my point here.

All i ask to be done is move car so the armored vehicle convoy can go through past the street.
But no, he is an idiot.

You know how we has it move?

I tell him i will shoot out all 4 tires and we will have caterpillar bulldozer push his whole car off the road into river.

Did not need to be so, he only has to say "yes sir i moves the car" and we all happy.

It is same situation -- they create situations and has hatred for us.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

It is same situation -- they create situations and has hatred for us.

...and all you did was invade their country and kick them out of their homes.

falah wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 13th, 2012 at 7:22pm: It is same situation -- they create situations and has hatred for us. ...and all you did was invade their country and kick them out of their homes.

He wasn't kicked out of anywhere - unless you are saying he lived in his car that he didn't want to move outa the way.

The Palestinians are made homeless by their Muslim 'brothers'. You, bearded monsters, are using them as puppets in your Islamic madness to deny the jews their homeland.

Israel = Islam is wrong. That's your problem. There cannot be Islam and Israel at the same time., The jews having a country would prove Mohammed to be an idiot. It would/does show up all of you as morons, believing in a madman.

falah wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 13th, 2012 at 7:22pm: It is same situation -- they create situations and has hatred for us. ...and all you did was invade their country and kick them out of their homes.

These peaceful people?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx_U8nRtLrY

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 13^th, 2012 at 11:38pm:

falah wrote on Apr 13th, 2012 at 8:09pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 13th, 2012 at 7:22pm: It is same situation -- they create situations and has hatred for us. ...and all you did was invade their country and kick them out of their homes. These peaceful people? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx_U8nRtLrY

Well when compared to Israeli tactics they are very peaceful