Wilkie should not be meditating on whether he should or should not be handing Gillard a lifeline--

His thoughts should be on what is best for his country's financial good but,

after all, he is only another half-baked politician, worrying mainly about the grubs who haven't the will- power to stop digging themselves into a hole through gambling.

Let me state that I don't give a damn about addicts of any sort - my pity is only for those who are affected by various addicts and there are more from the latter than from gamblers' families.

Wilkie should do the right thing, say "no" to Gillard's survival and then be able to lift his head above those of other self-serving politicians.

olde.sault wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 7:24am:

Wilkie should not be meditating on whether he should or should not be handing Gillard a lifeline-- His thoughts should be on what is best for his country's financial good but, after all, he is only another half-baked politician, worrying mainly about the grubs who haven't the will- power to stop digging themselves into a hole through gambling. Let me state that I don't give a damn about addicts of any sort - my pity is only for those who are affected by various addicts and there are more from the latter than from gamblers' families. Wilkie should do the right thing, say "no" to Gillard's survival and then be able to lift his head above those of other self-serving politicians.

not sure whats brought this on as I havent seen Wilkie for some time...

but to get back to the gambling..suddenly it too has gone off the radar... something that like GW was almost the end of civilisation as we know it..

yet here we are.. pffft  gone

cods wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 9:06am:

olde.sault wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 7:24am: Wilkie should not be meditating on whether he should or should not be handing Gillard a lifeline-- His thoughts should be on what is best for his country's financial good but, after all, he is only another half-baked politician, worrying mainly about the grubs who haven't the will- power to stop digging themselves into a hole through gambling. Let me state that I don't give a damn about addicts of any sort - my pity is only for those who are affected by various addicts and there are more from the latter than from gamblers' families. Wilkie should do the right thing, say "no" to Gillard's survival and then be able to lift his head above those of other self-serving politicians. not sure whats brought this on as I havent seen Wilkie for some time... but to get back to the gambling..suddenly it too has gone off the radar... something that like GW was almost the end of civilisation as we know it.. yet here we are.. pffft  gone

Yesterday, Wilkie said something to the effect that he doesn't know whether he should give Gillard a lifeline.

That is due to the expectation that Craig Thompson will  come to the end of his parliamentary career, leaving Gillard short.

By getting Slipper, Gillard had dispensed with Wilkie's support but, with Thompson gone, she'll need it.

olde.sault wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 9:16am:

cods wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 9:06am: olde.sault wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 7:24am: Wilkie should not be meditating on whether he should or should not be handing Gillard a lifeline-- His thoughts should be on what is best for his country's financial good but, after all, he is only another half-baked politician, worrying mainly about the grubs who haven't the will- power to stop digging themselves into a hole through gambling. Let me state that I don't give a damn about addicts of any sort - my pity is only for those who are affected by various addicts and there are more from the latter than from gamblers' families. Wilkie should do the right thing, say "no" to Gillard's survival and then be able to lift his head above those of other self-serving politicians. not sure whats brought this on as I havent seen Wilkie for some time... but to get back to the gambling..suddenly it too has gone off the radar... something that like GW was almost the end of civilisation as we know it.. yet here we are.. pffft  gone Yesterday, Wilkie said something to the effect that he doesn't know whether he should give Gillard a lifeline. That is due to the expectation that Craig Thompson will  come to the end of his parliamentary career, leaving Gillard short. By getting Slipper, Gillard had dispensed with Wilkie's support but, with Thompson gone, she'll need it.

I see so is there any news on THOMO?

Willkie is a quality Australian who had a go at getting something meaningful which would have benefited a lot of people.

Shame that the vast majority of politicians chose to support the club industries right to exploit vulnerable people.

Dnarever wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 12:51pm:

Willkie is a quality Australian who had a go at getting something meaningful which would have benefited a lot of people. Shame that the vast majority of politicians chose to support the club industries right to exploit vulnerable people.

The problem with australian politics is that policies are written to suit the donors to the political system, and not the public good ....

Wilkie is a real Australian.

Labor just called his bluff. He wants pokie reform, he needs labor to do it.  Liberals will never do it in a month of sundays because the clubs donate too much.  Liberals do whatever they are paid to do. Its business, pure and simple.

Wilkie really has no choice. Its labor or some corrupt right wing extremist. He might have a chip on his shoulder about labor, but he aint going nowhere.

cods wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 11:56am:

olde.sault wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 9:16am: cods wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 9:06am: olde.sault wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 7:24am: Wilkie should not be meditating on whether he should or should not be handing Gillard a lifeline-- His thoughts should be on what is best for his country's financial good but, after all, he is only another half-baked politician, worrying mainly about the grubs who haven't the will- power to stop digging themselves into a hole through gambling. Let me state that I don't give a damn about addicts of any sort - my pity is only for those who are affected by various addicts and there are more from the latter than from gamblers' families. Wilkie should do the right thing, say "no" to Gillard's survival and then be able to lift his head above those of other self-serving politicians. not sure whats brought this on as I havent seen Wilkie for some time... but to get back to the gambling..suddenly it too has gone off the radar... something that like GW was almost the end of civilisation as we know it.. yet here we are.. pffft  gone Yesterday, Wilkie said something to the effect that he doesn't know whether he should give Gillard a lifeline. That is due to the expectation that Craig Thompson will  come to the end of his parliamentary career, leaving Gillard short. By getting Slipper, Gillard had dispensed with Wilkie's support but, with Thompson gone, she'll need it. I see so is there any news on THOMO?

There was a promise that there'd be the HSU report on Tommo today.

I was out all day and hadn't listened to the news

Dnarever wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 12:51pm:

Willkie is a quality Australian who had a go at getting something meaningful which would have benefited a lot of people. Shame that the vast majority of politicians chose to support the club industries right to exploit vulnerable people.

At least gambling is not a blood-bubbling addiction, not like alcoholism when wives and children are beaten up when the breadwinner returns from the pub then

there are heroin addicts who drag women off their feet then run off with their handbags.

Wilkie could change direction and start tackling these crimes instead of putting clubs and their employees out of business.

olde.sault wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 5:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 12:51pm: Willkie is a quality Australian who had a go at getting something meaningful which would have benefited a lot of people. Shame that the vast majority of politicians chose to support the club industries right to exploit vulnerable people. At least gambling is not a blood-bubbling addiction, not like alcoholism when wives and children are beaten up when the breadwinner returns from the pub then there are heroin addicts who drag women off their feet then run off with their handbags. Wilkie could change direction and start tackling these crimes instead of putting clubs and their employees out of business.

In reality there would have been little impact to clubs which are not financially dependant on victimising people with serious problems.

Playing the pokies is not really a form of gambling in my view, gambling infers a chance at winning. Playing the machines is a mathematical certainty – If you are a long term player – you lose simple as that no gamble what so ever.

there are heroin addicts who drag women off their feet then run off with their handbags.

Lots of problems to address but millions are subject to this problem and the club industry are well over due to be put out of process to fix it. They have had their chance over decades and only watched it get worse.

I have no sympathy for clubs in cases where their business model is dependant on the right to victimise vulnerable people.

If clubs are not relying on addicted gamblers for their mega profits then putting a plan in place to discourage them wont harm their business.

Dnarever wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 6:11pm:

olde.sault wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 5:55pm: Dnarever wrote on Apr 3rd, 2012 at 12:51pm: Willkie is a quality Australian who had a go at getting something meaningful which would have benefited a lot of people. Shame that the vast majority of politicians chose to support the club industries right to exploit vulnerable people. At least gambling is not a blood-bubbling addiction, not like alcoholism when wives and children are beaten up when the breadwinner returns from the pub then there are heroin addicts who drag women off their feet then run off with their handbags. Wilkie could change direction and start tackling these crimes instead of putting clubs and their employees out of business. In reality there would have been little impact to clubs which are not financially dependant on victimising people with serious problems. Playing the pokies is not really a form of gambling in my view, gambling infers a chance at winning. Playing the machines is a mathematical certainty – If you are a long term player – you lose simple as that no gamble what so ever. there are heroin addicts who drag women off their feet then run off with their handbags. Lots of problems to address but millions are subject to this problem and the club industry are well over due to be put out of process to fix it. They have had their chance over decades and only watched it get worse. I have no sympathy for clubs in cases where their business model is dependant on the right to victimise vulnerable people.

And I have no sympathy at all with this brand of vulnerability - those not forced in any way to chuck their money away--

There could be a way to tackle poker machine imbeciles without penalising people who enjoy an evening at a club and putting an affordable amount  down these rotten machines.

Having a majority of one-dollar machines would be part of an answer and SPECIAL PASSES for those who  could_afford_to play big .

The passes could be earned by tests (like driving licences) so that known addicts would be barred.

There have been sick gamblers long before poker machines were invented and there'll always be such people and undermining just one venue will not make it otherwise.

I'm sure that Wilkie is nursing a hatred of some club or other and has waged war on all.

We've just got too many lunatic politicians.

I thought this thread was going to go..."If Wilkie was a real Australian, he would have sent this country to war on the false premise of WMDs like John Howard did".

The fact is that Wilkie is a true patriot. He spoke out when evil politicians lied to their country. He spoke out at great risk to his own career for love of his country.

A man who served in this country's military  - unlike "Honest" John.

Wilkie is quite the disappointment. He doesnt seem to be able to make up his mind and when the pressure is on, he folds. Gillard lied to him openly and has repeatedly dudded him. He has simply been USED and continues to be used because he is weak. You wait, Gillard will offer him mandatory pre-committment again and this moron will swallow it, hook, like and sinker.

falah wrote on Apr 4^th, 2012 at 6:49am:

I thought this thread was going to go..."If Wilkie was a real Australian, he would have sent this country to war on the false premise of WMDs like John Howard did". The fact is that Wilkie is a true patriot. He spoke out when evil politicians lied to their country. He spoke out at great risk to his own career for love of his country. A man who served in this country's military  - unlike "Honest" John.

According to Howard's age, in what war should he have enlisted?

Anyway,  individuals should use the best of their makeup - Howard's, is leadership and brain, and he served the country far better governing, then he would have done as another soldier (not all soldiers are angels nor heroes - many enlist to better their financial position).

Bless Howard!

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Wilkie should not be meditating on whether he should or should not be handing Gillard a lifeline-- His thoughts should be on what is best for his country's financial good

Yep, I agree, mellie. Seeing as though Labor have seem us through the greatest economic crisis the world has seen since the great depression it would be only right for him to continue to support Labor. Unless you think it better wee have a gov like phony Tony ,where they think 10 interest rate rises in a row is a good thing.
under Labor we have low inflation low unemployment low interest rates, the sort of stuff Obama would give his right nut for.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2012 at 3:04pm:

Wilkie is a real Australian. Labor just called his bluff. He wants pokie reform, he needs labor to do it.  Liberals will never do it in a month of sundays because the clubs donate too much.  Liberals do whatever they are paid to do. Its business, pure and simple. Wilkie really has no choice. Its labor or some corrupt right wing extremist. He might have a chip on his shoulder about labor, but he aint going nowhere.

In what war had Wilkie served?

Had he enlisted or had he been one of four Australians conscripted during the Vietnam conflict?