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CHRIS UHLMANN, PRESENTER: Calls for a new watchdog to regulate the Australian media prompted by the News of the World scandal in Britain have sparked furious debate over the balance between media freedom and censorship. The regulator would police internet news sites that get more than 15,000 hits a year, but the idea has opened an online Pandora's box. Offensive and hateful material abounds on a vast array of internet sites, including the official site of the Liberal Party of Australia where 7.30 has discovered a slew of abusive comments that illustrate the dilemma of cyber regulation. Tracy Bowden reports. TRACY BOWDEN, REPORTER: This is the website of the Liberal Party of Australia. Click through to a discussion on immigration and border security and here are just some of the comments you'll find. CONTRIBUTOR TO LIBERAL PARTY WEBSITE (male voiceover): "I want black refugees executed after 10 years of rejection of repatriation." CONTRIBUTOR TO LIBERAL PARTY WEBSITE II (male voiceover): "All nations predominantly black are brutish, starved, backwards and unjust ...". CONTRIBUTOR TO LIBERAL PARTY WEBSITE III (male voiceover): "We need direct democracy ... to bring about protection of good and the genocidal extinction of the evil dark races ...". TRACY BOWDEN: Some of these posts have been on the website for up to a year. TOM TUDEHOPE, SOCIAL MEDIA CONSULTANT: You need to have a degree of control. You know, the - this is a Liberal Party website so they have ultimate responsibility for the content that goes up there. HELEN SZOKE, RACIAL DISCRIMINATION COMMISSIONER: The responsibility should be with the organisation that hosts the blog to make sure that - two things: that the blog doesn't depart, if you like, from what their particular values or their mission is, and secondly that they don't move to a position where they're actually found to be in breach of the law. TRACY BOWDEN: The comments remained on the Liberal Party's website despite the fact that Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has been visiting schools to promote the Coalition's review of online safety. TONY ABBOTT, OPPOSITION LEADER (February): The last thing we want to see is online censorship, but we do have to have online protections, the best possible online protections and that's what my working group is all about. TOM TUDEHOPE: It would appear in this circumstance they're overwhelmed or they probably need some further monitoring in place. TRACY BOWDEN: Tom Tudehope knows the power and the perils of social media. He resigned as then Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull's media advisor after being linked to a YouTube spoof portraying a Liberal backbencher as Adolf Hitler. He's now a social media consultant. TOM TUDEHOPE: It can be very subjective, what is offensive. But someone has to draw the line somewhere. Now if the party perceives it be to offensive, they shoulda moved the comments immediately or as soon as possible. Now, that might be hard if you're getting hundreds of comments per day on one article and you're looking after Twitter, Facebook, websites - there's plenty of posts. TRACY BOWDEN: Liberal Party federal director Brian Loughnane declined 7.30's request for an interview, but provided this comment: "The Liberal Party removes comments from its social media channels that it finds to be racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted or graphic. We find such comments deeply offensive and unacceptable." Soon after we drew the party's attention to the comments, the worst of them had been removed from the site, but the fact remains they had been there for months. DAVID PENBERTHY, EDITOR, THE PUNCH: I think that all websites should be careful and I think that all website should pre-moderate. It think it's a cop out not to pre-moderate. TRACY BOWDEN: It's a problem faced by all groups which have websites encouraging comment and discussion. Editor of the opinion and news website The Punch, David Penberthy, says while it's a labour-intensive exercise, a staff member looks at every comment before it's posted. DAVID PENBERTHY: There are some websites that have a flagging system where the onus is left to the public to identify comments which are offensive or profane or defamatory. We think it's safest and possibly in terms of the taste argument, you create a better environment on the website if you pre-moderate. TOM TUDEHOPE: This is a developing space. There is no real best practice out there about what is the best way to approach these things and it's definitely a case-by-case basis. CONTRIBUTOR TO LIBERAL PARTY WEBSITE IV (male voiceover): "Liberal Coalition party must stop the silent invasion of these evil followers of the Islam ...". CONTRIBUTOR TO LIBERAL PARTY WEBSITE V (male voiceover): "He who is against the White Australia policy is against the Australian Nation ...". TRACY BOWDEN: After seeing the posts on the Liberal Party's website, 7.30 look at the online presence of all the major Australian political parties. The websites of the ALP and the Greens appear to have no blatantly racist or offensive comments. Also, the Liberal Party is less stringent in trying to verify the identity of bloggers. HELEN SZOKE: There is no doubt that people are finding it as an anonymous means of communication and with that comes a lack of perhaps responsibility in terms of the type of comments that are being posted. TRACY BOWDEN: In the last two years, complaints to the Human Rights Commission on cyber-racism have more than doubled. Race discrimination commissioner Helen Szoke says that while legislation is important, the best results are when an organisation takes responsibility for its own online content. HELEN SZOKE: It is possible to get conciliated outcomes that remove racially vilifying material off websites. At the end of the day though, like any other form of discrimination, the best change occurs when the organisational culture actually understands the benefits in not having material that's racially discriminatory perpetuated through their communications avenues. CHRIS UHLMANN: Tracy Bowden there.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3453564.htm


What is the saying

Birds of a feather stick together

Now we know why the liberal supporters are so racist on here

The Liberal party could edit their own web site and remove offensive material.....However I think they encourage this behaviour rather than delete it.....The Liberal party are what they are but will never accept they are racist and intolerant despite the evidence to the contrary!!!

>:( >:( >:(

If you watch the video on 7.30 report site it gives a lot more information

Nothing from the racist right......Why am I not surprised???

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When the judgement's weak,
The prejudice is strong.
Kane O'Hara

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 12:03am:

The Liberal party could edit their own web site and remove offensive material.....However I think they encourage this behaviour rather than delete it.....The Liberal party are what they are but will never accept they are racist and intolerant despite the evidence to the contrary!!! >:( >:( >:(

I agree in the sense that controversy is crucial for our current political system to work unhindered. People worry about trivial things, get angry at each other and forget the real issues and problems.

Gee the left have been busy on the liberal site with their poison.

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 9:56am:

Gee the left have been busy on the liberal site with their poison.

Yet the Liberal party do not delete it....They are as silly as you then because it reflects on them no one else.....The Coalition promote racism and division for political gain.....It is in their DNA as Abbott would put it.....The Coalition did it during the Howard years and will do it again!!!

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progressiveslol wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 9:56am:

Gee the left have been busy on the liberal site with their poison.

And as usual, the right have been worthless lazy tools doing nothing about cleaning it up.

Its only racism if your white...

Anyone who is anti White Australia Policy is racist towards Australian culture, that's a fact. Australia only became a federated Nation to bring in the laws that made up the White Australia Policy. So the birth of Aussie Culture was to have a white nation.

Most people are not anti white they just do not accept abuse against minorities.....We are not NAZIS!!!

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When you divide a country up into 2: left (labor) and right (liberals), you'll always get the freaks at the extremes of each.

For the liberals they get lumbered with racists and homophobes. Every now and then they break away to form a new party (One nation, Katters Australia party), but fall back into the liberal camp once failure occurs.

Just because the liberals have racist comments on their site does not make all liberals racists. The liberals cant remove the racism because they will loose votes to these nutter parties like Katers, which they need to form government.

So, a totally non issue IMO.

This does not even register on my give-a-bugger-o-meter.

Pathetic. 

... wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

This does not even register on my give-a-bugger-o-meter. Pathetic.

So you give-a-bugger enough to want to let people know that you don't give-a-bugger. I see.

Gist wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 11:57am:

... wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 10:47am: This does not even register on my give-a-bugger-o-meter. Pathetic.  So you give a bugger enough to want to let people know that you don't give a bugger.

He cares enough about his trustworthy meter, not of what it was measuring.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

Its only racism if your a BoGaN...

Gist wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 11:57am:

... wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 10:47am: This does not even register on my give-a-bugger-o-meter. Pathetic.  So you give-a-bugger enough to want to let people know that you don't give-a-bugger. I see.

Yeah i guess. But what I'd REALLY like you guys to know is that you are lameness personified if you think this is in any way important. 

so this 'racism' is on unedited and unattributed comments on a website?? that's it?

I grant that there should be greater control over such matters but is this even news-worthy? Same things happens on a slew of other sites including the ALP and other parties.

But if I had a to choose between a party that lets racist comments thru on its website and a party that allows predatory sex offenders into actual positions of power and parliament, which one would YOU choose?

You can leave in a taxi or leave in a huff but where you gunna find a huff at this time of the day?

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

Its only racism if your white...

you should have said [b][/IS ITb]


MY POINT IS THERE IS JUST AS MUCH HATRED AND INTOLERENCE DIRECTED AT WHITES AS ANY OTHER COLOR.


and how anyone would know, what color or political party someone voted for.. by their comments on a web site is another mystery to me..

the more notice something is taken of by others of this sort of creep.. the more they like it..

its like graffiti artists they never sh!t on their own doorstep do they?

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 12:33pm:

so this 'racism' is on unedited and unattributed comments on a website?? that's it? I grant that there should be greater control over such matters but is this even news-worthy? Same things happens on a slew of other sites including the ALP and other parties. But if I had a to choose between a party that lets racist comments thru on its website and a party that allows predatory sex offenders into actual positions of power and parliament, which one would YOU choose?

From the OP.....

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TRACY BOWDEN: After seeing the posts on the Liberal Party's website, 7.30 look at the online presence of all the major Australian political parties. The websites of the ALP and the Greens appear to have no blatantly racist or offensive comments. Also, the Liberal Party is less stringent in trying to verify the identity of bloggers

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As usual you have no idea Longy.....You drag up the sex offenders crap again despite your support of the Church being thrown back at you.....The ALP does not support sex offenders unlike the Church.....The Liberal party could have and should have deleted offensive comments and did not!!!

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cods wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 2:01pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 10:17am: Its only racism if your white... you should have said [b][/IS ITb] MY POINT IS THERE IS JUST AS MUCH HATRED AND INTOLERENCE DIRECTED AT WHITES AS ANY OTHER COLOR. and how anyone would know, what color or political party someone voted for.. by their comments on a web site is another mystery to me.. the more notice something is taken of by others of this sort of creep.. the more they like it.. its like graffiti artists they never sh!t on their own doorstep do they?

The point is the Liberal party have not deleted the racist comments that have been on their web site for over a year......How can you justify this???

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 6:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 12:33pm: so this 'racism' is on unedited and unattributed comments on a website?? that's it? I grant that there should be greater control over such matters but is this even news-worthy? Same things happens on a slew of other sites including the ALP and other parties. But if I had a to choose between a party that lets racist comments thru on its website and a party that allows predatory sex offenders into actual positions of power and parliament, which one would YOU choose? From the OP..... Quote: TRACY BOWDEN: After seeing the posts on the Liberal Party's website, 7.30 look at the online presence of all the major Australian political parties. The websites of the ALP and the Greens appear to have no blatantly racist or offensive comments. Also, the Liberal Party is less stringent in trying to verify the identity of bloggers . As usual you have no idea Longy.....You drag up the sex offenders crap again despite your support of the Church being thrown back at you.....The ALP does not support sex offenders unlike the Church.....The Liberal party could have and should have deleted offensive comments and did not!!! ::) ::) ::)

only ONE poltiical party has its MPs regularly arrest for child sex offences - the ALP. if you dont like it then dont play the game.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 6:28pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 12:33pm: so this 'racism' is on unedited and unattributed comments on a website?? that's it? I grant that there should be greater control over such matters but is this even news-worthy? Same things happens on a slew of other sites including the ALP and other parties. But if I had a to choose between a party that lets racist comments thru on its website and a party that allows predatory sex offenders into actual positions of power and parliament, which one would YOU choose? From the OP..... Quote: TRACY BOWDEN: After seeing the posts on the Liberal Party's website, 7.30 look at the online presence of all the major Australian political parties. The websites of the ALP and the Greens appear to have no blatantly racist or offensive comments. Also, the Liberal Party is less stringent in trying to verify the identity of bloggers . As usual you have no idea Longy.....You drag up the sex offenders crap again despite your support of the Church being thrown back at you.....The ALP does not support sex offenders unlike the Church.....The Liberal party could have and should have deleted offensive comments and did not!!! ::) ::) ::) only ONE poltiical party has its MPs regularly arrest for child sex offences - the ALP. if you dont like it then dont play the game.

WTF are you talking about.....You would have to be one of the most shallow people on these boards mate.....The thread is about the Liberal party leaving offensive racist remarks on their web site not some pissing contest you like to play.....Your failure to once again address the topic and deflect is typical of your lack of substance and denial about all things Liberal......You are a flake Longy!!!

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The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900), The Gay Science, section 191

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

only ONE poltiical party has its MPs regularly arrest for child sex offences - the ALP. if you dont like it then dont play the game.

Ah yes, the old pedo line. Wheeled out by longstoopid whenever he runs out of any other thought. Which is probably why we see it here on at least a daily basis. Why don't you go for the old "my dad is bigger than yours" routine for a change? I'm sure it's in there in your bag of tactics.

Gist wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 7:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 6:40pm: only ONE poltiical party has its MPs regularly arrest for child sex offences - the ALP. if you dont like it then dont play the game. Ah yes, the old pedo line. Wheeled out by longstoopid whenever he runs out of any other thought. Which is probably why we see it here on at least a daily basis. Why don't you go for the old "my dad is bigger than yours" routine for a change? I'm sure it's in there in your bag of tactics.

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So phil thinks by having a lion as his avatar makes him tough.

Get over it phil. This suits you better..........................................

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blackadder wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 7:29pm:

So phil thinks by having a lion as his avatar makes him tough. Get over it phil. This suits you better.......................................... http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x404/riverinajack/Pussy_cat_.jpg

what would you know about pussies shyte for brains

Gist wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 7:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 6:40pm: only ONE poltiical party has its MPs regularly arrest for child sex offences - the ALP. if you dont like it then dont play the game. Ah yes, the old pedo line. Wheeled out by longstoopid whenever he runs out of any other thought. Which is probably why we see it here on at least a daily basis. Why don't you go for the old "my dad is bigger than yours" routine for a change? I'm sure it's in there in your bag of tactics.

i wheel it out because you labor supporters are that stupid that you like to play the morality line time and time again. if you want to debate the merits of your particular party then dont be so foolish as to do so in an area where labor has such an aplling record. debate policy all you want but if you want to talk about the morality of liberals then it is fair game to use the court convictions of child rapist labor MPs.

choose your field of battle with more intelligence.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 8:28am:

i wheel it out because you labor supporters are that stupid that you like to play the morality line time and time again. if you want to debate the merits of your particular party then dont be so foolish as to do so in an area where labor has such an aplling record. debate policy all you want but if you want to talk about the morality of liberals then it is fair game to use the court convictions of child rapist labor MPs. choose your field of battle with more intelligence.

Oh yes, I'm sure the labor party has a clause in its membership form requiring that only bona fide pedos are allowed to join. I'm sure the Labor party actively persues pedo activities.

The Liberal party owns its website. The Liberal party can edit material published on its website. The Liberal party chooses not to edit racist material even over long time periods. Therefore we can only conclude that the Liberal party agrees with the comments that it allows to be published. The Liberal party is therefore actively engaged in the dissemination of racist thought and material.

Now show me where the Labor party actively engages in the dissemination of pedo material longtimebetweenthoughts. Moreover if you can't show it then I want a public admission that you're a fool.

longmoron you aren't just an idiot, you practice at it. You're a world-class leading expert in idiot. In fact it seems to be the ONLY thing you're good at.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/FreedomofSpeech.jpg

Gist wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:43am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 8:28am: i wheel it out because you labor supporters are that stupid that you like to play the morality line time and time again. if you want to debate the merits of your particular party then dont be so foolish as to do so in an area where labor has such an aplling record. debate policy all you want but if you want to talk about the morality of liberals then it is fair game to use the court convictions of child rapist labor MPs. choose your field of battle with more intelligence. Oh yes, I'm sure the labor party has a clause in its membership form requiring that only bona fide pedos are allowed to join. I'm sure the Labor party actively persues pedo activities. The Liberal party owns its website. The Liberal party can edit material published on its website. The Liberal party chooses not to edit racist material even over long time periods. Therefore we can only conclude that the Liberal party agrees with the comments that it allows to be published. The Liberal party is therefore actively engaged in the dissemination of racist thought and material. Now show me where the Labor party actively engages in the dissemination of pedo material longtimebetweenthoughts. Moreover if you can't show it then I want a public admission that you're a fool. longmoron you aren't just an idiot, you practice at it. You're a world-class leading expert in idiot. In fact it seems to be the ONLY thing you're good at.

and you wonder why we keep reminding you that Labor has had a huge problem with sex offenders... and the reason why, remains abundantly clear even in your post. You simply deny or forget that it happens. and while you and the labor party continue to fail to recognise the problem, you will continue to preselect pedos, rapists and embezzlers.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 11:06am:

Gist wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 9:43am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 8:28am: i wheel it out because you labor supporters are that stupid that you like to play the morality line time and time again. if you want to debate the merits of your particular party then dont be so foolish as to do so in an area where labor has such an aplling record. debate policy all you want but if you want to talk about the morality of liberals then it is fair game to use the court convictions of child rapist labor MPs. choose your field of battle with more intelligence. Oh yes, I'm sure the labor party has a clause in its membership form requiring that only bona fide pedos are allowed to join. I'm sure the Labor party actively persues pedo activities. The Liberal party owns its website. The Liberal party can edit material published on its website. The Liberal party chooses not to edit racist material even over long time periods. Therefore we can only conclude that the Liberal party agrees with the comments that it allows to be published. The Liberal party is therefore actively engaged in the dissemination of racist thought and material. Now show me where the Labor party actively engages in the dissemination of pedo material longtimebetweenthoughts. Moreover if you can't show it then I want a public admission that you're a fool. longmoron you aren't just an idiot, you practice at it. You're a world-class leading expert in idiot. In fact it seems to be the ONLY thing you're good at. and you wonder why we keep reminding you that Labor has had a huge problem with sex offenders... and the reason why, remains abundantly clear even in your post. You simply deny or forget that it happens. and while you and the labor party continue to fail to recognise the problem, you will continue to preselect pedos, rapists and embezzlers.

Sounds like your religion longy

I am surprised at this thread.

The opening poster is usually such an intelligent chap and is full of insightful and thought provoking analysis.....

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 11:06am:

and you wonder why we keep reminding you that Labor has had a huge problem with sex offenders... and the reason why, remains abundantly clear even in your post. You simply deny or forget that it happens. and while you and the labor party continue to fail to recognise the problem, you will continue to preselect pedos, rapists and embezzlers.

I am not denying or forgetting any such thing longstoopid. I am denying that the Labor party has a policy of endorsing pedophilia. Show me that policy longslime. The evidence or an apology ta much.

Gist wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 11:06am: and you wonder why we keep reminding you that Labor has had a huge problem with sex offenders... and the reason why, remains abundantly clear even in your post. You simply deny or forget that it happens. and while you and the labor party continue to fail to recognise the problem, you will continue to preselect pedos, rapists and embezzlers. I am not denying or forgetting any such thing longstoopid. I am denying that the Labor party has a policy of endorsing pedophilia. Show me that policy longslime. The evidence or an apology ta much.

nor have I said such a thing. In fact if your comprehension abilities werent so pitifully low you would have noted that I was saying labor supporters can hardly make a moral superiority argument when their own side is literally guilty of heinous offences.

try again...

Gist wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 11:06am: and you wonder why we keep reminding you that Labor has had a huge problem with sex offenders... and the reason why, remains abundantly clear even in your post. You simply deny or forget that it happens. and while you and the labor party continue to fail to recognise the problem, you will continue to preselect pedos, rapists and embezzlers. I am not denying or forgetting any such thing longstoopid. I am denying that the Labor party has a policy of endorsing pedophilia. Show me that policy longslime. The evidence or an apology ta much.

LW has never apologised for any of his 1000's of errors.

All parties have their failings in one way or another:

Labor are sleazebags.
Liberal are assholes.
Greens are morons.

*shrug*
that's just the way it is.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

nor have I said such a thing. In fact if your comprehension abilities werent so pitifully low you would have noted that I was saying labor supporters can hardly make a moral superiority argument when their own side is literally guilty of heinous offences. try again...

Yes you have, you're just to stoopid to understand your own words (which doesn't surprise me a jot). Neither am I the first to point this out to you as I recall. So you're persistently stoopid.

You are such a drone that you're incapable of seeing the distinction between an organisation and the people who comprise that organisation. That any organisation may have people within it who do the wrong thing. That the activities of those individuals have nothing to do with the organisation.

No - your view and your claim - is that because there was a convicted pedo in the Labor party then the Labor party actively supports pedos. YOU are calling all Labor party members pedophiles or supporters of pedophiles.

I think you want to be very careful making those kinds of claims. I seem to recall YOU banning someone for even hinting at a similar claim.

And I want a public apology for being called that by you.

... wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 12:31pm:

All parties have their failings in one way or another: Labor are sleazebags. Liberal are assholes. Greens are morons. *shrug* that's just the way it is.

On the other hand, I can't argue with that one all that much.  ::)

Gist wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 12:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 12:22pm: nor have I said such a thing. In fact if your comprehension abilities werent so pitifully low you would have noted that I was saying labor supporters can hardly make a moral superiority argument when their own side is literally guilty of heinous offences. try again... Yes you have, you're just to stoopid to understand your own words (which doesn't surprise me a jot). Neither am I the first to point this out to you as I recall. So you're persistently stoopid. You are such a drone that you're incapable of seeing the distinction between an organisation and the people who comprise that organisation. That any organisation may have people within it who do the wrong thing. That the activities of those individuals have nothing to do with the organisation. No - your view and your claim - is that because there was a convicted pedo in the Labor party then the Labor party actively supports pedos. YOU are calling all Labor party members pedophiles or supporters of pedophiles. I think you want to be very careful making those kinds of claims. I seem to recall YOU banning someone for even hinting at a similar claim. And I want a public apology for being called that by you.

and the limits of your comprehension ability is yet again revealed. i have NEVER said such a thing and wouldnt. but the lack of your intelligence is clouding the issue. so let me state it clearly so that hopefully even YOU can't misrepresent it.

When labor supporters want to claim a moral advantage, they cannot then expect that their party's own significant moral failings wont be brought to account. after all, of all the MPs jailed for child sex offences, every single one of them has been a labor MP. like it or not, it is fact.

Now I dont believe the ALP supports such behaviours. I would have thought that was pretty damn obvious - even to a tool like you. however, their preselection policies are so lame that pedos and other criminals easily slip thru while other parties seemingly keep them out. It is hard to disagree with that sentiment.

i've never called you a pedo or supporter of them. That is self-evident. I have however called you an uneducated moron with comprehension difficulties. that is also very self-evident.

Racist quotes on liberal website

Does it matter - only singing to the choir?

Not very likely anyone going there would be offended or even disagree.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 2:28pm:

Now I dont believe the ALP supports such behaviours. I would have thought that was pretty damn obvious - even to a tool like you. however, their preselection policies are so lame that pedos and other criminals easily slip thru while other parties seemingly keep them out. It is hard to disagree with that sentiment.

And so you think the Labor party should be asking prospective members "are you now or have you ever been a pedophile?". And the party is somehow morally deficient if it doesn't? Or even if it does and people say "no" and the party doesn't realise that they've been lied to then it is still morally deficient?

And what is the party if it isn't the supporters? If you aren't blaming the supporters who the hell ARE you blaming? Liberal supporters?

Gist wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 3:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 2:28pm: Now I dont believe the ALP supports such behaviours. I would have thought that was pretty damn obvious - even to a tool like you. however, their preselection policies are so lame that pedos and other criminals easily slip thru while other parties seemingly keep them out. It is hard to disagree with that sentiment. And so you think the Labor party should be asking prospective members "are you now or have you ever been a pedophile?". And the party is somehow morally deficient if it doesn't? Or even if it does and people say "no" and the party doesn't realise that they've been lied to then it is still morally deficient? And what is the party if it isn't the supporters? If you aren't blaming the supporters who the hell ARE you blaming? Liberal supporters?

you do know that some political parties actually do asks questions like that although framed a little more sensitively than that? do you really think that they dont do background checks? some of the convicted labor MPs had people on edge and suspicious about them for years before they were caught, but nothing was done. THIS is what i am referring to - the fact that labor has some significant problems in its preselection process. they select people on the basis of their service to the party or union movement and not on their suitability or moral character. this is how Thomson was preselected again for his electorate even afer the allegations of fraud were aired. Labor doesnt seem to care too much about moral or ethical failings. there is no other conclusion.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 3:04pm:

Gist wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 3:00pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 2:28pm: Now I dont believe the ALP supports such behaviours. I would have thought that was pretty damn obvious - even to a tool like you. however, their preselection policies are so lame that pedos and other criminals easily slip thru while other parties seemingly keep them out. It is hard to disagree with that sentiment. And so you think the Labor party should be asking prospective members "are you now or have you ever been a pedophile?". And the party is somehow morally deficient if it doesn't? Or even if it does and people say "no" and the party doesn't realise that they've been lied to then it is still morally deficient? And what is the party if it isn't the supporters? If you aren't blaming the supporters who the hell ARE you blaming? Liberal supporters? you do know that some political parties actually do asks questions like that although framed a little more sensitively than that? do you really think that they dont do background checks? some of the convicted labor MPs had people on edge and suspicious about them for years before they were caught, but nothing was done. THIS is what i am referring to - the fact that labor has some significant problems in its preselection process. they select people on the basis of their service to the party or union movement and not on their suitability or moral character. this is how Thomson was preselected again for his electorate even afer the allegations of fraud were aired. Labor doesnt seem to care too much about moral or ethical failings. there is no other conclusion.

Ah I see. So no Labor supporter can have any opinion on anything faintly resembling a moral question because some sleazebag got through preselection. This is because all members are complicit in the sleazebag's actions given that they chose him in preselection. Therefore all Labor party supporters are pedos or pedo supporters.

longidiot that really is a remarkable piece of vomit between your ears, honestly.

Also pray tell me what the Liberal party policy is when allegations are made against a member. Maybe I can get rid of Tony the Clown just by stumping up to headquarters and making some allegations against him? After all, you lot don't seem to need any niceties like trials or convictions or even semi-niceties like being charged or even accused. Nope, good old rumours seem to do the trick. Is that how it works?

Dnarever wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 2:36pm:

Racist quotes on liberal website Does it matter - only singing to the choir? Not very likely anyone going there would be offended or even disagree.

Actually, mainstream "conservatives" ie those who would be the prime users of the liberal party website, subscribe as much to the status quo delusions on race as your average lefty.

Gist wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 3:36pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 3:04pm: Gist wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 3:00pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 2:28pm: Now I dont believe the ALP supports such behaviours. I would have thought that was pretty damn obvious - even to a tool like you. however, their preselection policies are so lame that pedos and other criminals easily slip thru while other parties seemingly keep them out. It is hard to disagree with that sentiment. And so you think the Labor party should be asking prospective members "are you now or have you ever been a pedophile?". And the party is somehow morally deficient if it doesn't? Or even if it does and people say "no" and the party doesn't realise that they've been lied to then it is still morally deficient? And what is the party if it isn't the supporters? If you aren't blaming the supporters who the hell ARE you blaming? Liberal supporters? you do know that some political parties actually do asks questions like that although framed a little more sensitively than that? do you really think that they dont do background checks? some of the convicted labor MPs had people on edge and suspicious about them for years before they were caught, but nothing was done. THIS is what i am referring to - the fact that labor has some significant problems in its preselection process. they select people on the basis of their service to the party or union movement and not on their suitability or moral character. this is how Thomson was preselected again for his electorate even afer the allegations of fraud were aired. Labor doesnt seem to care too much about moral or ethical failings. there is no other conclusion. Ah I see. So no Labor supporter can have any opinion on anything faintly resembling a moral question because some sleazebag got through preselection. This is because all members are complicit in the sleazebag's actions given that they chose him in preselection. Therefore all Labor party supporters are pedos or pedo supporters. longidiot that really is a remarkable piece of vomit between your ears, honestly. Also pray tell me what the Liberal party policy is when allegations are made against a member. Maybe I can get rid of Tony the Clown just by stumping up to headquarters and making some allegations against him? After all, you lot don't seem to need any niceties like trials or convictions or even semi-niceties like being charged or even accused. Nope, good old rumours seem to do the trick. Is that how it works?

its really quite a simple argument. if you want to make claims about moral failings of liberals then you need to accept that we wil make arguments about labor moral failings. the problem is that labor has a great deal MORE to lose in the debate. so dont start it. stick to areas of policy and performance where at least you have a chance.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

Gist wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 3:36pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 3:04pm: Gist wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 3:00pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 2:28pm: Now I dont believe the ALP supports such behaviours. I would have thought that was pretty damn obvious - even to a tool like you. however, their preselection policies are so lame that pedos and other criminals easily slip thru while other parties seemingly keep them out. It is hard to disagree with that sentiment. And so you think the Labor party should be asking prospective members "are you now or have you ever been a pedophile?". And the party is somehow morally deficient if it doesn't? Or even if it does and people say "no" and the party doesn't realise that they've been lied to then it is still morally deficient? And what is the party if it isn't the supporters? If you aren't blaming the supporters who the hell ARE you blaming? Liberal supporters? you do know that some political parties actually do asks questions like that although framed a little more sensitively than that? do you really think that they dont do background checks? some of the convicted labor MPs had people on edge and suspicious about them for years before they were caught, but nothing was done. THIS is what i am referring to - the fact that labor has some significant problems in its preselection process. they select people on the basis of their service to the party or union movement and not on their suitability or moral character. this is how Thomson was preselected again for his electorate even afer the allegations of fraud were aired. Labor doesnt seem to care too much about moral or ethical failings. there is no other conclusion. Ah I see. So no Labor supporter can have any opinion on anything faintly resembling a moral question because some sleazebag got through preselection. This is because all members are complicit in the sleazebag's actions given that they chose him in preselection. Therefore all Labor party supporters are pedos or pedo supporters. longidiot that really is a remarkable piece of vomit between your ears, honestly. Also pray tell me what the Liberal party policy is when allegations are made against a member. Maybe I can get rid of Tony the Clown just by stumping up to headquarters and making some allegations against him? After all, you lot don't seem to need any niceties like trials or convictions or even semi-niceties like being charged or even accused. Nope, good old rumours seem to do the trick. Is that how it works? its really quite a simple argument. if you want to make claims about moral failings of liberals then you need to accept that we wil make arguments about labor moral failings. the problem is that labor has a great deal MORE to lose in the debate. so dont start it. stick to areas of policy and performance where at least you have a chance.

So it comes down to nothing other than partisan mudslinging? YOU want to call Labor supporters pedos because YOU can't think of an argument. As I said many posts back. Thank you for finally conceding my point.

Do it again and I can see no reason why anyone here shouldn't treat you the same way.

Gist wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 4:10pm: Gist wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 3:36pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 3:04pm: Gist wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 3:00pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 2:28pm: Now I dont believe the ALP supports such behaviours. I would have thought that was pretty damn obvious - even to a tool like you. however, their preselection policies are so lame that pedos and other criminals easily slip thru while other parties seemingly keep them out. It is hard to disagree with that sentiment. And so you think the Labor party should be asking prospective members "are you now or have you ever been a pedophile?". And the party is somehow morally deficient if it doesn't? Or even if it does and people say "no" and the party doesn't realise that they've been lied to then it is still morally deficient? And what is the party if it isn't the supporters? If you aren't blaming the supporters who the hell ARE you blaming? Liberal supporters? you do know that some political parties actually do asks questions like that although framed a little more sensitively than that? do you really think that they dont do background checks? some of the convicted labor MPs had people on edge and suspicious about them for years before they were caught, but nothing was done. THIS is what i am referring to - the fact that labor has some significant problems in its preselection process. they select people on the basis of their service to the party or union movement and not on their suitability or moral character. this is how Thomson was preselected again for his electorate even afer the allegations of fraud were aired. Labor doesnt seem to care too much about moral or ethical failings. there is no other conclusion. Ah I see. So no Labor supporter can have any opinion on anything faintly resembling a moral question because some sleazebag got through preselection. This is because all members are complicit in the sleazebag's actions given that they chose him in preselection. Therefore all Labor party supporters are pedos or pedo supporters. longidiot that really is a remarkable piece of vomit between your ears, honestly. Also pray tell me what the Liberal party policy is when allegations are made against a member. Maybe I can get rid of Tony the Clown just by stumping up to headquarters and making some allegations against him? After all, you lot don't seem to need any niceties like trials or convictions or even semi-niceties like being charged or even accused. Nope, good old rumours seem to do the trick. Is that how it works? its really quite a simple argument. if you want to make claims about moral failings of liberals then you need to accept that we wil make arguments about labor moral failings. the problem is that labor has a great deal MORE to lose in the debate. so dont start it. stick to areas of policy and performance where at least you have a chance. So it comes down to nothing other than partisan mudslinging? YOU want to call Labor supporters pedos because YOU can't think of an argument. As I said many posts back. Thank you for finally conceding my point. Do it again and I can see no reason why anyone here shouldn't treat you the same way.

wow... the whole reading and compehension thing just doesnt work for you, does it?

The deflection from the right wing extremists is very telling.....This is why the Liberal Party has left the offensive comments on their web site.....To appeal to the fringe element like Longweekend and his mates!!!

>:( >:( >:(

The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism.
Sir William Osler (1849 - 1919)

Philperth = lesser beta/omega

... wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 5:36pm:

Philperth = lesser beta/omega

It is not about me is it.....The personal attacks say more about you than me???

::) ::) ::)

He who strikes the first blow admits he's lost the argument.
Chinese Proverb

Personal attacks and pathetic insults are all the racist right have.....No wonder the Liberal Party appeal to their voter base with offensive comments on their web site......The proof is evident every day on these boards....The Coalition appeals to extremists and divides the nation with its victimization of minorities!!!

>:( >:( >:(

Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out.
Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845)

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 5:42pm:

... wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 5:36pm: Philperth = lesser beta/omega It is not about me is it.....The personal attacks say more about you than me??? ::) ::) ::) He who strikes the first blow admits he's lost the argument. Chinese Proverb

Yes, they say I'm an astute judge of status and character.

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 5:34pm:

The deflection from the right wing extremists is very telling.....This is why the Liberal Party has left the offensive comments on their web site.....To appeal to the fringe element like Longweekend and his mates!!! >:( >:( >:( The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism. Sir William Osler (1849 - 1919)

yeah because that is such a credible answer.

idiot.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 6:32pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 5:34pm: The deflection from the right wing extremists is very telling.....This is why the Liberal Party has left the offensive comments on their web site.....To appeal to the fringe element like Longweekend and his mates!!! >:( >:( >:( The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism. Sir William Osler (1849 - 1919) yeah because that is such a credible answer. idiot.

Dickhead!!!

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 7:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 6:32pm: philperth2010 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 5:34pm: The deflection from the right wing extremists is very telling.....This is why the Liberal Party has left the offensive comments on their web site.....To appeal to the fringe element like Longweekend and his mates!!! >:( >:( >:( The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism. Sir William Osler (1849 - 1919) yeah because that is such a credible answer. idiot. Dickhead!!!

really clever retort.  Do you have a quote for that?