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Title: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 3:55pm

"America" is supposedly an idea.

Is it not?

If it is, what was that idea and is it dead?

FINALLY,... WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rYAe_l4v7g&feature=related

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:12pm

Megadeth \m/
8-)

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by tonegunman1 on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:12pm

Get Ruddy to teach you Chinese and introduce you to his mates.

:)

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:14pm

America is not dead.

America is alive and leads the Free world.

Business as usual.

uncle_sam.jpg (73 KB | 52 )

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:17pm

tonegunman1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:12pm:

Get Ruddy to teach you Chinese and introduce you to his mates.

:)

They are everywhere mate. You can't park in town 'cos there's just Asians everywhere!

Capitalism builds and therefore it's Asias century!

Now technology is up-and-atom(No, UP AND AT 'EM... "UP-AND-ATEM!!!!!!":sssssiggggggh) it could be a scarily scary century having started with an anthrax attack on the bloodthirsty americans!

:D :D :-? :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Maqqa on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:17pm

An interesting observation is this - the pundits criticise America for not doing something more to help. But when America does - the criticise it's too much and some will say it's still not enough.

We do have the UN who was supposed to take over the role of big brother but is it doing a good job?

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:18pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

America is not dead.

America is alive and leads the Free world.

Business as usual.

If you mean america in terms of private corporations then you are correct,
but in terms of the general public then you are wrong.

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:19pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Totally true Macca.
My uni lecturer on US Foreign Policy said the same years ago.

America takes action in Somalia and Iraq and its criticised.
Then when America doesn't take action in Rwanda and leaves it to the UN - they are criticised for not doing it.

Why do people on the Left of politics hate America so much?
They absolutely hate this country with a passion.

Is it envy?
Jealousy?
Rage?

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:19pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

America is not dead.

America is alive and leads the Free world.

Business as usual.

Dood, business as usual except America's not in charge.

Lol, that is the definition of change spastic.

THE WORLD TURNS........... :-*

So eat/sue me mutha! :o :o :o :D

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by tonegunman1 on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:20pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

America is not dead.

America is alive and leads the Free world.

Business as usual.

And how long have you suffered from these delusions?

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:21pm

tonegunman1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

America is not dead.

America is alive and leads the Free world.

Business as usual.

And how long have you suffered from these delusions?

I live in America.
This is the best country in the world.

I have I reckon about $15-20k more in my back pocket than I would have in Australia.

Why? Less tax and I don't have to support losers.

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:22pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Some sort of vague statement form Maqqa lol!

Be careful not to sit on that fence too hard dood: you might get an injury from such indecisiveness!! :-[

It's hard to choose sides in war i know brutha!!

Face it- America is dead!!!

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Damn, Greed couldn't hide it's smirk behind Nuclear Weapons after all....

... who would have thougt!??!

::)

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:23pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

America is not dead.

America is alive and leads the Free world.

Business as usual.

And how long have you suffered from these delusions?

I live in America.
This is the best country in the world.

I have I reckon about $15-20k more in my back pocket than I would have in Australia.

Why? Less tax and I don't have to support losers.

This is not a valid opinion as for your country to have such privilege, billions have to live in poverty.

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by tonegunman1 on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:24pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

America is not dead.

America is alive and leads the Free world.

Business as usual.

And how long have you suffered from these delusions?

I live in America.
This is the best country in the world.

I have I reckon about $15-20k more in my back pocket than I would have in Australia.

Why? Less tax and I don't have to support losers.

No you get them to fight your wars for you.

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:25pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

America is not dead.

America is alive and leads the Free world.

Business as usual.

And how long have you suffered from these delusions?

I live in America.
This is the best country in the world.

I have I reckon about $15-20k more in my back pocket than I would have in Australia.

Why? Less tax and I don't have to support losers.

You support the killing of innocent foreigners by the hundreds of thousands for the sake of a little extra coin in your pocket and think you can hide that greed forever behind Nuclear Weapons because you don't understand the concept of DISINTEGRATION!

Qu: How many Nuclear Weapons were fired in retaliation to the anthrax attacks on America?

Don't worry Rambo: we all know you're too chicken to answer that question!

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Maqqa on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:25pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

It's the "Whinging Pom" syndrome

Nothing is ever right

It's either too much or too little

They raise their voice for no other reason other than to remind themselves they exist

It's usually the minority

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:28pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

It's their war economy stupid! ::)

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:29pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Right,
too little=impose sanctions and starve millions of innocent people
too much=bomb millions of innocent people

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:30pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

OKeley dokeley, so the war economy of America doesn't bother you at all? ::) :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

JFK JFK JFK JFK JFK JFK JFK JFK JFK etc....... ::) :'( :'( :'(

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Maqqa on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:33pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Right,
too little=impose sanctions and starve millions of innocent people
too much=bomb millions of innocent people

So what is the alternative - happy to see the solution

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:35pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Right,
too little=impose sanctions and starve millions of innocent people
too much=bomb millions of innocent people

So what is the alternative - happy to see the solution

An equal world monetary system with proper distribution of money, non aggressive and dictatorial tactics from the US an similar nations.
How can you justify killing millions of innocent of million people?

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Maqqa on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:44pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:35pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Right,
too little=impose sanctions and starve millions of innocent people
too much=bomb millions of innocent people

So what is the alternative - happy to see the solution

(1) How would you make that distribution?

(2) You can't. It gets down to a security risk. If we can't trust you then we'll kill you before you might kill us. That's the reality. The UN is supposed to make this call but they have been ineffective

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:48pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

[quote]

(1) How would you make that distribution?

(2) You can't. It gets down to a security risk. If we can't trust you then we'll kill you before you might kill us. That's the reality. The UN is supposed to make this call but they have been ineffective

1. Through a non corrupt government and destroying the privitaized banking system. There are a million small points to this process but if you had enough people you could work it all out fairly easily.

2. Security has never been an issue, if it was you would see more investment in defence not offence.
The UN makes whatever call the US fat cats say.

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by adelcrow on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:51pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:44pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:35pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Right,
too little=impose sanctions and starve millions of innocent people
too much=bomb millions of innocent people

So what is the alternative - happy to see the solution

That justifies every country attacking each other including attacks on the USA and its interests.
Its just a slippery slope to anarchy and also justifies attacks such as 9/11, the Cole etc.

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:54pm

adelcrow wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:51pm:

[quote]

That justifies every country attacking each other including attacks on the USA and its interests.
Its just a slippery slope to anarchy and also justifies attacks such as 9/11, the Cole etc.

This is a great point
The common reasoning from people like maqqa is that 911 was justification for the Iraq war (this also applies to many other wars and situations involving the US)
Yet the US was attacking Iraq and other Middle Eastern nation’s decades before 911, so was 911 not than justified.
Same thing is it not?

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by thelastnail on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:28pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

What about when they do this ??

http://www.evnut.com/ev1_crushed.htm

Quote:

We were fortunate to secure one of the final 2-year leases on an EV1 - the first modern production full-featured EV by GM. We took delivery of this car on 27.November.2001, and it had 11,743 miles on the clock. On 25.November.2003, we were forced to return the car to GM. This is the car that Kim and I fought over. Our EV1 commuted 40 miles every day on about 10 kWh of electricity from the socket ($1 of electricity - if we actually purchased our electricity. See my solar page). Generally, this car was charged in our garage for about 1.5 hrs/day, during off-peak hours, while we slept. When our lease ran out, we had no choice but to give it up. GM would not extend the leases nor allow the vehicles to be purchased for any price. As far as I know, this is the only time in history that perfectly good cars were taken off the road by the manufacturer - especially painful when these are among the very few cars that are part of the solution. Of the 1150 EV1s that were ever made, there are likely just two or three still driving around. The last private lease expired in August of 2004.

Must be envy :D LOL

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Post by Imperium on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:29pm

lastnail has electric vehicke aspergers

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by thelastnail on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:37pm

barnaby joe wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:29pm:

lastnail has electric vehicke aspergers

No it must be envy, jealousy or rage !! :D LOL

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 11:30am

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:28pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

What about when they do this ??

http://www.evnut.com/ev1_crushed.htm

Quote:

Must be envy :D LOL

This has happened with almost all electric cars ever released from all different manufactures.

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 12:00pm

I'm sure you'll tell me, and everyone else, why I should care....

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 9:24pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:54pm:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:51pm:

[quote]

That justifies every country attacking each other including attacks on the USA and its interests.
Its just a slippery slope to anarchy and also justifies attacks such as 9/11, the Cole etc.

A little birdy told me once that there has been more than one 9-11!

Since that birdy came from a factory long long ago there may be nothing in that however.... ::)

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 9:27pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

America is not dead.

America is alive and leads the Free world.

Business as usual.

And how long have you suffered from these delusions?

I live in America.
This is the best country in the world.

I have I reckon about $15-20k more in my back pocket than I would have in Australia.

Why? Less tax and I don't have to support losers.

Hey, andrei: you keep dodging this question for some unexplained reason! Are you actually maqqa?? :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :D

anyhow, ya bloodlovin' yellow chicken,...

Qu: How many Nuclear Weapons were fired in retaliation to the anthrax attacks on America?

Don't worry Rambo: we all know you're too chicken to answer that question!

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by athos on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 10:01pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 3:55pm:

"America" is supposedly an idea.

Is it not?

If it is, what was that idea and is it dead?

FINALLY,... WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rYAe_l4v7g&feature=related[/media

Looks, in accordance with the "wise" Labor policy Australia should side with the looser against winner China

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by athos on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 10:05pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Non hates America, America hates and destroys herself.

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by athos on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 10:08pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

America is not dead.

America is alive and leads the Free world.

Business as usual.

And how long have you suffered from these delusions?

I live in America.
This is the best country in the world.

I have I reckon about $15-20k more in my back pocket than I would have in Australia.

Why? Less tax and I don't have to support losers.

You can tell this story to someone else. Now every American has a dream to live in Australia.

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by falah on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 10:24pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 9:27pm:

Qu: How many Nuclear Weapons were fired in retaliation to the anthrax attacks on America?

Jew Behind Anthrax Attacks
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-hatehoaxes-911-anthrax-terrorist-attack.html

http://www.salon.com/2002/01/26/assaad/

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/anthraxsuspect.php

Anthrax Mystery

Immediately after the anthrax attacks, White House officials repeatedly pressured FBI Director Robert Mueller to prove that they were a second-wave assault by Al Qaeda. During the president's morning intelligence briefings, Mueller was "beaten up" for not producing proof that the killer spores were the handiwork of terrorist mastermind Osama Bin Laden, according to a former aide. "They really wanted to blame somebody in the Middle East," the retired senior FBI official stated. The FBI knew early on that the anthrax used was a weaponized version requiring sophisticated equipment and was unlikely to have been produced in some "cave". At the same time, both President Bush and Vice President Cheney in public statements speculated about the possibility of a link between the anthrax attacks and Al Qaeda.

On May 9, 2002, New Scientist published an article that reported:

'The DNA sequence of the anthrax sent through the US mail in 2001 has been revealed and confirms suspicions that the bacteria originally came from a US military laboratory. The data released uses codenames for the reference strains against which the attack strain was compared. The two reference strains that appear identical to the attack strain most likely originated at the US Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick (USAMRIID), Maryland. The new work also shows that substantial genetic differences can emerge in two samples of an anthrax culture separated for only three years. This means the attacker's anthrax was not separated from its ancestors at USAMRIID for many generations.'

Ivins main suspect.

Ivins passed a polygraph-assisted interrogation (also known as a "lie detector test") in which he was questioned about his possible participation in the anthrax attacks.

Those who argue for Ivins' innocence claim that the anthrax used in the attacks was too sophisticated to be produced by a lone researcher without relevant training. "In my opinion, there are maybe four or five people in the whole country who might be able to make this stuff, and I'm one of them," said Richard O. Spertzel, former deputy commander of USAMRIID. "And even with a good lab and staff to help run it, it might take me a year to come up with a product as good." The spores in the Daschle letter were 1.5 to 3 micrometres across, many times smaller than the finest known grade of anthrax produced by either the U.S. or Soviet bioweapons programs. An electron microscope, which costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, would be needed to verify that the target spore size had been consistently achieved.

The notes

The New York Post and NBC News letters contained the following note:

09-11-01
THIS IS NEXT
TAKE PENACILIN NOW
DEATH TO AMERICA
DEATH TO ISRAEL
ALLAH IS GREAT

An obvious attempt to false flag muslim involvement, and bring sympathy to Israel.

The second anthrax note

The second note that was addressed to Senators Daschle and Leahy read:

09-11-01
YOU CAN NOT STOP US.
WE HAVE THIS ANTHRAX.
YOU DIE NOW.
ARE YOU AFRAID?
DEATH TO AMERICA.
DEATH TO ISRAEL.
ALLAH IS GREAT.

Ivins was a Roman Catholic. The Frederick News-Post has made public several letters to the editor written by Ivins dealing with his religious views. (A Catholic is not likely to care much about Israel.) So who wrote the letters?

The Ames strain comes in two forms: non-virulent and virulent. The difference between them is that the virulent anthrax produces toxin proteins and encapsulates itself with a protective layer, which means it can survive. The non-virulent, which has been mutated to make it non-infectious, does not produce toxin proteins or protect itself. It is the latter form that has been made available to most researchers. But only five known labs in US have specimens of the virulent strain— the Department of Agriculture lab at Iowa State (which now destroyed its specimens), the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta, the US Army Medical Research Institute at Fort Detrick in Maryland, the lab at Louisiana State University and the lab Northern Arizona University. At each lab, the specimens are kept under lock and key, and everyone who uses them is recorded. But the FBI has not been able to find any source in these known repositories. This suggest that the anthrax came from a foreign or unknown repository.

The bacteria spores in the Daschle and Leahy letters were as small as one micron and concentrated to a density estimated to be a trillion spores per gram. This meant that the larger spores found in a wet slurry form had been dried and miniaturized in a process that had not destroyed their protective coats. To be sure, military labs in the US had achieved these results by drying, freezing and cascading spores through computer-controlled mills of super-hard ball bearings, but these CBW factories were dismantled in the 1970s. Where such stealthed equipment exists today is unknown.

Would Jews Have A Motive To Attack Senator Leahy?

Sen. Leahy likens Palestinians to his Irish ancestors, ‘hunted because they wanted to keep their land’

by Philip Weiss on March 9, 2009

The Vermont senator is on the floor of the Senate now, debating the Kyl amendments on the omnibus appropriations bill. One of them bars Palestinian refugees of Gaza from resettling here, because they come from a "terrorist" land, as Leahy characterized the legislation. The senator then compared the Palestinian experience to his own ancestors in Ireland. They too were called terrorists once, because they were "fighting to keep their land," fighting for their votes and freedom, religion and language. And "hunted" for doing so– "hunted because they had fought to practice their own religion… hunted because they wanted to keep their land…
"Thank goodness the United States had open arms for them." The amendment, Leahy says, "goes against everything we stand for."
http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/sen-leahy-likens-palestinians-to-his-irish-ancestors-hunted-because-they-wanted-to-keep-their-land.html

How Leahy tried, and failed, to downgrade aid to Israel

And here's the story, published here for the first time. It involves Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont, who has never been one of Israel's staunchest friends on the Hill. Leahy is often critical of the policies and behavior of the Israel (and sometimes rightly so). He is also the Chairman of the State-Foreign Operations Appropriations Subcommittee. In this position, he tried last week - and intimately failed - to change the language of the "Fiscal Year 2008 State and Foreign Operations Appropriations bill," in ways not favorable to Israel.Israeli Newspaper (Haaretz) (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=877394&contrassID=25&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=1&listSrc=Y&art=1)

Anthrax Letters Posted From Nassau Street Near princeton

Nassau Street is the main downtown thoroughfare of Princeton, New Jersey. As such, of all the streets in Princeton, Nassau Street is the one most often full of automobile and pedestrian traffic. The main gates of Princeton University open onto Nassau Street opposite Nassau Hall.

In August 2002, about 600 mailboxes that could have been used to mail the letters associated with the 2001 anthrax attacks were tested for anthrax. Just one was found to be positive for the spores, at 10 Nassau Street.

7 synagogues in Nassau street, another 5 synogogues and Jewish centres within 2 kilometres from the postal box where the anthrax letters were mailed.

Doubts about anthrax story

Survivors, relatives wonder if dead scientist was truly the culprit

The New York Times reported that investigators intensively questioned his children, Andrew and Amanda, now both 24. One former colleague, Dr. W. Russell Byrne, said the agents pressed Ivins' daughter repeatedly to acknowledge that her father was involved in the attacks.

"It was not an interview," Byrne said. "It was a frank attempt at intimidation."

Byrne said he believed Ivins was singled out partly because of his personal weaknesses. "If they had real evidence on him, why did they not just arrest him?"Baltimore Sun (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/bal-te.anthrax05aug05,0,2121592.story)

Although the anthrax preparations were of different grades, all of the material was derived from the same bacterial strain. Known as the Ames strain, it was first researched at the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID), Fort Detrick, Maryland. The Ames strain was then distributed to at least fifteen bio-research labs within the U.S. and six locations overseas.(including Israel.)

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by falah on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 10:28pm

Continued from above post

(Jewish) Philip M. Zack, Lt. Col. (retired), Ph.D., DVM is an American microbiologist. 'Phil' Zack worked at USAMRIID in Fort Detrick through December 1991, then at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research, then for Eli Lilly, and then for a company in Colorado acquired by St. Louis' Nexstar Financial Management.

The Hartford Courant newspaper ran a series of articles in December 2001 and January 2002 which discussed Dr. Zack as a "person of interest" in the 2001 anthrax attacks in the US, his relationship with (Jewish)Dr. Marian K. Rippy, and their harassment of Dr. Ayaad Assaad at USAMRIID in 1991. After Zack had been fired from Fort Detrick, a surveillance camera recorded him being let in at 8:40 p.m. on Jan. 23, 1992, apparently by Dr. Marian Rippy.[2]

Others have claimed Zack, who worked at Ft. Detrick where the anthrax came from, is a person of interest.Dr. Philip Zack had the means, access to weaponized anthrax, exhibited hostile behaviours towards Dr. Ayaad Assaad, his colleague, and was caught on a security video two months after being fired entering without authorization a lab where anthrax samples went missing. The FBI knew of Zack and his unauthorized access to the lab, and Assaad had been questioned by the FBI in connection with the attacks.

Salon magazine ran a story by Laura Rozen on January 26, 2002, which reported that Zack was among those: "eager to continue working on projects USAMRIID said they should stop. What followed, the documents reveal, were scientists sneaking into the Army biowarfare lab to work on pet projects after-hours and on weekends, former workers like Zack, who left in 1991, still being let in to do lab work, pressure applied to technicians to help out, documents going missing, and deliberate mislabeling of specimens among other efforts to hide unsanctioned lab work."

On October 2, 2001 (three days before the first fatality from anthrax in the 2001 domestic US terrorism attacks), FBI Agent Gregory Leylegian called and asked Assaad to come in for questioning, which he did the next day. The FBI had received an anonymous letter, postmarked September 21, 2001, in which an alleged co-worker warned that Dr. Assaad might be planning a biological attack. The timing is noteworthy because anthrax-victim Robert Stevens was not admitted to a Florida hospital until October 2nd, and he was not diagnosed with anthrax until October 3rd. The first set of letters containing real anthrax were mailed on September 18th.

Assaad was born in Egypt and became a naturalized US citizen in 1981. He holds a Ph.D. in physiology from Iowa State University in Ames, Iowa. His wife is from Nebraska.
Dr. Assaad worked as a civilian research scientist at the US Army's Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID), in Fort Detrick, Maryland from 1989-1997. While there, he developed a ricin vaccine.

In 1991, when working at USAMRIID, Dr. Assaad filed a formal complaint against co-workers including Philip Zack and Marion Rippy for racial harassment. The USAMRIID Commander, Col. Ronald Williams, investigated and ruled in Assaad's favor, singling out Zack and Rippy for leading the so-called "Camel Club" which had anonymously sent Assaad an eight-page insulting poem. According to Salon magazine: "The Army investigation documents further revealed that the two [Zack and Rippy], both married, were also having an affair." Col. Williams wrote to Assaad: "Based upon your complaint, I directed that an informal investigation be conducted. The investigation revealed that Lieutenant Colonel Zack and Dr. Rippy had participated in discriminatory behavior. On behalf of the United States of America, the Army, and this Institute, I wish to genuinely and humbly apologize for this behavior." Both Zack and Rippy were reprimanded. Zack left USAMRIID in December 1991, Rippy left in February 1992. Assaad stayed on until March 1997 Budget cuts there led to Assaad being laid off in March 1997, for which he sued the US Army for age and ethnic discrimination.

The 212-word letter sent to the FBI was unsigned and computer-typed. It stated, in part: "Dr. Assaad is a potential biological terrorist. ... I have worked with Dr. Assaad and I heard him say that he has a vendetta against the U.S. government and that if anything happens to him, he told his sons to carry on." According to Assaad: "The letter-writer clearly knew my entire background, my training in both chemical and biological agents, my security clearance, what floor where I work now, that I have two sons, what train I take to work, and where I live." Don Foster concluded it was sent by a female officer at Ft. Detrick. [, although he did not name Marion Rippy directly.

The FBI cleared Dr. Assaad of these allegations, according to Chris Murray, an FBI spokesman (as reported in Salon): "We received an anonymous letter with certain allegations about Dr. Assaad. Our investigation has determined those allegations are unfounded. Our investigation is complete. Period."

So the muslim was framed! Now who would have a motive to do that? Jews? Israelis?

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 11:34am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Who knows?
Who cares?
It's only important to remember what these dropkicks represent.

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Jasignature on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 1:07pm

America isn't dead.

Its just that Australia will soon come alive.

Followed by the Occidental (Oceanic) region of New Zealand to the Central America/Carribean region

and lastly to South America.

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 7^th, 2012 at 3:32pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 11:34am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Who knows?
Who cares?
It's only important to remember what these dropkicks represent.

CHICKEN LIPS LOVES RIVERS OF BLOOD!

AMERICA IS DEAD EXACTLY BECAUSE IT LOVES RIVERS OF BLOOD AND WE AS AUSTRALIANS SUPPORT IT!!

A KINGDOM ONCE DESTROYED CANNOT RISE AGAIN!!!!

SORRY, :o :o :o :o

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 7^th, 2012 at 3:33pm

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 1:07pm:

America isn't dead.

Its just that Australia will soon come alive.

Followed by the Occidental (Oceanic) region of New Zealand to the Central America/Carribean region

and lastly to South America.

WTF?

I THINK YOU'RE SAYING AMERICA IS DEAD!

:D :D :D ::)

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Jasignature on Mar 7^th, 2012 at 4:13pm

Geez- America is so 'gone',

They even lack imagination in Hollywood.
They have no future so now they just drag up things from their past ...latest Movie : old sci-fi fantasy series called John Carter (some Writer who did a lot of Bug Powder Dust ::))

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Mnemonic on Mar 7^th, 2012 at 6:42pm

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Mar 7^th, 2012 at 4:13pm:

They even lack imagination in Hollywood.

Yeah, the movies get more and more boring every year. Box office numbers don't say anything.

Joss Whedon's Serenity (2005) is one of the only movies that seems to have impressed me. That's what I call innovation and creativity. It's a futuristic science fiction film that doesn't make its greatness so obvious.

The Hangover (2009) was pretty good. What do you expect a bunch of four blokes to get up to after getting spiked? Pretty nihilistic. What makes the film so "spectacular" is the decadence of these four guys and their shambolic attempts to fix the mess they're in, to get rid of used condoms and find "Doug."

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 6:58am

America is dead, it just won't lie down without a couple more invasions in a last ditch effort to redeem itself as a power force.

China and the East will be the new leaders. We have a choice to align ourselves with the new order, or to hang on to old America's apron strings and sink with them.

Go Asia go!!!!!!!

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Mnemonic on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 3:58pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Oh darn, I hope the Jewish messiah comes soon to save us all. :D

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 9:05pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

China owns our business districts! Australias been invaded, end of!

The world turns and us hardcores from 'the west' were too busy hiding our greedy egos behind Nuclear Weapons to notice the realities of life.

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 5:24pm

Andrei gave up on his dream of murdering innoncent foreign people forever quite easily !!!

Title: Re: If America is dead,.. where do we go from here?
Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 1:56pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 9^th, 2012 at 5:24pm:

Andrei gave up on his dream of murdering innoncent foreign people forever quite easily !!!

lOL, america is so dead!!

hey Andrei, aren't you supposed to give it the old heave ho or some jocked up expression like that?

Hey andrei, yo man you aint soft are ya mr hides his greed behind nucler weapons as he imagines they are as dismissive as his Dad was.

andrei,andrei ... breathe man c'mon!!

;D :D :D :D :D :D

andrei obviously died of shame but yet i still find myself able to laugh most heartily!! :o ;D :D