Dutch launch mobile euthanasia teams



Six specialised teams will criss-cross the Netherlands to carry out euthanasia at the home of patients whose own doctors refuse to do so, a pro-euthanasia group said.

"From Thursday, the Levenseindekliniek (Life-end clinic) will have mobile teams where people who think they comply with the criteria for euthanasia can register," Right-to-die NL (NVVE) spokeswoman Walburg de Jong said.

"If they comply, the teams will carry out the euthanasia at patients' homes should their normal doctors refuse to help them."

Ms De Jong says the group, called the Life-end clinic, has teams made up of a specially-trained doctor and nurse who will work part time, visiting patients all over the Netherlands.

The Netherlands became the first country in the world to legalise euthanasia in April 2002, and has strict criteria regulating how such mercy killings can be carried out.

Patients must be mentally alert when making the request to die.

Patients also have to face a future of "unbearable, interminable suffering" and both the patient and the doctor - who have to obtain a second opinion - before euthanasia is carried out, must agree there is no cure.

Each euthanasia case is then reported to one of five special commissions, each made up of a doctor, a jurist and an ethical expert charged with verifying that all criteria had been observed.

The mobile euthanasia plan, which received the thumbs-up from Dutch health minister Edith Schippers in the Dutch parliament, has been met with scepticism from one of the Netherlands' largest medical lobbies.

The Royal Dutch Society of Doctors says it doubts whether the "euthanasia doctors" will be able to form a close enough relationship with a patient to make a correct assessment.

Ms De Jong says around 3,100 mercy killings are carried out each year in the Netherlands and that the NVVE has already been phoned by 70 potential patients since the plan was announced in early February.

The NVVE says its teams are expected to receive around 1,000 assisted suicides requests per year.

http://abc.com.au/news/2012-03-01/dutch-launch-mobile-euthanasia-teams/3861636

Queensland State, Other State Elections, and the next Federal Election

Its a tough one because half way through last week I was praying for a quick and painless death. A few days later I was on the mend..today Im back at the Gym, full of beans and ready for work next week.
But seriously..Euthanasia is an important topic and as a supporter I reckon it should be an election issue.

Wow - you greens are really totally off your heads crazy aren't you... :o :o :o

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:11am:

Wow - you greens are really totally off your heads crazy aren't you... :o :o :o

You just figured that out?  ;)

The elderly, the sick, the disabled, the unemployed want the Greens Carbon Tax revenue, we want their GST revenue, We want their mining tax revenue, we want their mega  bonuses and salaries and we are coming for it... 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Euthanasia should be, but never will be.
Because if they talk about that, it brings up the matter of rights. Something that the government has been taking away for quite some time.
Of course people should have the right to do what they want to their own body whether it be euthanasia, drugs, prostitution or anything along those lines.
But the government prefers not to talk about it because they know they are wrong.
Its how they make their money and without it, the chains on society become weaker and likewise with the government.

You have a perfect right to commit suicide Geens - do so now with my blessing - however, the state has no right to kill the elderly, the unemployed, the sick or the disabled you wackjob. ;D ;D ;D

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:14am:

The elderly, the sick, the disabled, the unemployed want the Greens Carbon Tax revenue, we want their GST revenue, We want their mining tax revenue, we want their mega  bonuses and salaries and we are coming for it... 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Really.
Listen and watch who comes to your front door.
It might be one of those Green mobile euthanasia teams. ;D

Lets agree not to make it compulsory

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:19am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:14am: The elderly, the sick, the disabled, the unemployed want the Greens Carbon Tax revenue, we want their GST revenue, We want their mining tax revenue, we want their mega  bonuses and salaries and we are coming for it... 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) Really. Listen and watch who comes to your front door. It might be one of those Green mobile euthanasia teams. ;D

Don't be suprized if its the other way and the downtrodden have you swinging from the Bolte bridge though... :D

adelcrow wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:23am:

Lets agree not to make it compulsory

Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. >:(

Euthanasia is a key plank of the Communist Greens platform for a very good reason.

It is well known by informed people that Prime Minister Bob Brown of the Communist Greens has a burning desire to see Australia become a primitive agrarian economy with EVERYTHING controlled by a central "government" - in  other words Uncle Bob wants Australia to become a COMMUNIST country.

Part of the Communist ethic is that people are regarded as farm animals who are useful only while they can work for the Communist good.

The question naturally arises, what should be done with people who are too old and or too sick to be productive farm animals any more ?

The answer ? Simple, have legalized euthanasia and secret police. The process is for the secret police to visit any unproductive farm animals and put them down under the legalized euthanasia law. Great idea - no old or sick people to pay welfare for and only productive farm animals in the economy.

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Should Voluntary Euthanasia Be An Election Issue?

Yes. I would add just two conditions:

1. It is to apply to Australian politicians only
2. No, repeat no exemptions

juliar wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:05am:

Euthanasia is a key plank of the Communist Greens platform for a very good reason. It is well known by informed people that Prime Minister Bob Brown of the Communist Greens has a burning desire to see Australia become a primitive agrarian economy with EVERYTHING controlled by a central "government" - in  other words Uncle Bob wants Australia to become a COMMUNIST country. Part of the Communist ethic is that people are regarded as farm animals who are useful only while they can work for the Communist good. The question naturally arises, what should be done with people who are too old and or too sick to be productive farm animals any more ? The answer ? Simple, have legalized euthanasia and secret police. The process is for the secret police to visit any unproductive farm animals and put them down under the legalized euthanasia law. Great idea - no old or sick people to pay welfare for and only productive farm animals in the economy.

Does the Liberals still accept donations off the cigarette industry?

Because if anyone forces non voluntary euthanasia onto Australians then it's the political party that supports cigarette deaths for financial political donations.

Cigarette forced euthanasia via addiction and forced euthanasia via passive smoking and forced euthanasia of children via being poisoned by having addicted smoking parents.


So if Liberals support forced euthanasia via cigarettes, why do they oppose voluntary euthanasia of terminal patients?

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:24am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:23am: Lets agree not to make it compulsory Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. >:(

Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death

i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government.

Lets call a spade a spade.. Doctors wont do it so they introduce Death Squads...

T\he Greens, the Corporations & tghe Government cannot force us to take unsuitable jobs and conditions against our free will in their Clean Energy Green Economy.  They also have no right to deprive any person living on mainland Australia of legal status with full economic, employment and social security rights as well as medicare.  :P 8-) 8-) 8-) :P

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:12pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:24am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:23am: Lets agree not to make it compulsory Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. >:( Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government.

Nope, the state has no right to kill period. 8-) 8-) 8-)

I hold that the state should decommission the Military and not keep a permanent standing army, the Police should not be armed and all citizens with no criminal record should be allowed to be armed for self defense. 8-) 8-) 8-)

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:18pm:

Lets call a spade a spade.. Doctors wont do it so they introduce Death Squads...

Doctors do it already within the law by not doing everything at times to keep a terminal patient alive for a few more days, a few more hours, a few more minutes.

I saw a guy starved within palliative care ward rather than keep him a alive and suffering for a few extra weeks/months. 

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:21pm:

____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:12pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:24am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:23am: Lets agree not to make it compulsory Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. >:( Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government. Nope, the state has no right to kill period. 8-) 8-) 8-)

Have you called for at any time, for our troops to be brought home from Afghanistan?

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:34pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:21pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:12pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:24am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:23am: Lets agree not to make it compulsory Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. >:( Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government. Nope, the state has no right to kill period. 8-) 8-) 8-) Have you called for at any time, for our troops to be brought home from Afghanistan?

Yes, I have not supported any of the Greens Communist nation building or Mentoring expeditions in the Middle East...  Nobody in their right mind supports the Greens and their crank interventionist violence.  I did not support Bob Browns or your call for the assassination of Qaddafi and intervention in Libya either...Why are the Greens so violent extremist warmongers who want to play god over peoples lives?  The Greens and the state should not be allowed anywhere near weapons they are far too dangerous and violent. :o :o :o :o

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:44pm:

____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:34pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:21pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:12pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:24am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:23am: Lets agree not to make it compulsory Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. >:( Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government. Nope, the state has no right to kill period. 8-) 8-) 8-) Have you called for at any time, for our troops to be brought home from Afghanistan? Yes, I have not supported any of the Greens Communist nation building or Mentoring expeditions in the Middle East...  Nobody in their right mind supports the Greens and their crank interventionist violence.  I did not support Bob Browns or your call for the assassination of Qaddafi and intervention in Libya either...Why are the Greens so violent extremist warmongers who want to play god over peoples lives?  The Greens and the state should not be allowed anywhere near weapons they are far too dangerous and violent. :o :o :o :o

So you are a Greenie at heart

Australia should follow the lead of Canada and the Netherlands and bring our combat troops home from Afghanistan, Greens Leader Bob Brown said today.

"Canada's 2,800 combat troops are preparing to go home. The Netherlands have already gone, after the collapse of public support and the Dutch government over whether to extend their mission," Senator Brown said in Hobart.

"A Galaxy poll at the weekend showed most Australians want our troops brought home from Afghanistan and that should be heeded by the Government and Opposition. This level of opposition is higher than during the Vietnam War."

There have been 27 Australian Defence Force personnel killed and 181 ADF members wounded in action in Afghanistan since 2002.

http://greens.org.au/content/bring-combat-troops-home-afghanistan-brown

Four Pillars of The Greens Movement

Ecological wisdom
Social justice
Grassroots democracy
Nonviolence

Australians protest Iraq war

As part of an international weekend of protest on the fourth anniversary of the US-British-Australian invasion of Iraq, 800 people participated in an anti-war rally and march on March 17 that began at Sydney Town Hall.

Demanding an end to the US-led war in Iraq, the protesters also called for the Australian troops and Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks to be brought home.

Speakers at the protest, organised by the Sydney Stop the War Coalition, included Greens Senator Kerry Nettle, NSW Labor MLC Meredith Burgmann, NSW Council of Civil Liberties vice-president David Burnie and Maritime Union union of Australia Sydney assistant branch secretary Paul Garrett.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/37249


So you are more Greens than you are Liberal or Labor dude.

All fine and dandy in principle.
However people should look at the Netherlands where it has been practiced for some time now.
In 1990 the Remmelink Report found that most cases of euthanasia were involuntary ie no consent was given, and that euthanasia accounted for 9.1% of the overall death rate.
It includes those just suffering depression.
In some parts of the Netherlands people are afraid to seek medical treatment.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8428050/melbourne-abortion-author-gets-death-threats

another example of why there should never be euthanasia. this is just one step removed from it.

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 2:48pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:44pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:34pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:21pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:12pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:24am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:23am: Lets agree not to make it compulsory Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. >:( Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government. Nope, the state has no right to kill period. 8-) 8-) 8-) Have you called for at any time, for our troops to be brought home from Afghanistan? Yes, I have not supported any of the Greens Communist nation building or Mentoring expeditions in the Middle East...  Nobody in their right mind supports the Greens and their crank interventionist violence.  I did not support Bob Browns or your call for the assassination of Qaddafi and intervention in Libya either...Why are the Greens so violent extremist warmongers who want to play god over peoples lives?  The Greens and the state should not be allowed anywhere near weapons they are far too dangerous and violent. :o :o :o :o So you are a Greenie at heart Australia should follow the lead of Canada and the Netherlands and bring our combat troops home from Afghanistan, Greens Leader Bob Brown said today. "Canada's 2,800 combat troops are preparing to go home. The Netherlands have already gone, after the collapse of public support and the Dutch government over whether to extend their mission," Senator Brown said in Hobart. "A Galaxy poll at the weekend showed most Australians want our troops brought home from Afghanistan and that should be heeded by the Government and Opposition. This level of opposition is higher than during the Vietnam War." There have been 27 Australian Defence Force personnel killed and 181 ADF members wounded in action in Afghanistan since 2002. http://greens.org.au/content/bring-combat-troops-home-afghanistan-brown Four Pillars of The Greens Movement Ecological wisdom Social justice Grassroots democracy Nonviolence Australians protest Iraq war As part of an international weekend of protest on the fourth anniversary of the US-British-Australian invasion of Iraq, 800 people participated in an anti-war rally and march on March 17 that began at Sydney Town Hall. Demanding an end to the US-led war in Iraq, the protesters also called for the Australian troops and Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks to be brought home. Speakers at the protest, organised by the Sydney Stop the War Coalition, included Greens Senator Kerry Nettle, NSW Labor MLC Meredith Burgmann, NSW Council of Civil Liberties vice-president David Burnie and Maritime Union union of Australia Sydney assistant branch secretary Paul Garrett. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/37249 So you are more Greens than you are Liberal or Labor dude.

No dude, I am not Politically inclined to support any of the extremists in the Parliament and I do not care what the Greens statement of Faith says - I know by their actions that they support interventionism, assassinations and war.

A statement of faith proves nothing Greens - absolutely nothing, I here you by what you obsess about, what motivates you and its base greed, power and violence. ::) :P

No I am not a Green at heart I am a me at heart  8-) ;D

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:26pm:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8428050/melbourne-abortion-author-gets-death-threats another example of why there should never be euthanasia. this is just one step removed from it.

There is already euthanasia for the terminally ill..its just not talked about.
Doctors just up the dose of Morphine until the patient stops breathing..its quite common.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:26pm:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8428050/melbourne-abortion-author-gets-death-threats another example of why there should never be euthanasia. this is just one step removed from it.

The debate is concerning voluntary euthanasia, not murder.

No one is out to legalise non voluntary death and that includes non voluntary of children.

This is a red herring as is bestiality to marriage equality.

No connection at all.

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:28pm:

____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 2:48pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:44pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:34pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:21pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:12pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:24am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:23am: Lets agree not to make it compulsory Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. >:( Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government. Nope, the state has no right to kill period. 8-) 8-) 8-) Have you called for at any time, for our troops to be brought home from Afghanistan? Yes, I have not supported any of the Greens Communist nation building or Mentoring expeditions in the Middle East...  Nobody in their right mind supports the Greens and their crank interventionist violence.  I did not support Bob Browns or your call for the assassination of Qaddafi and intervention in Libya either...Why are the Greens so violent extremist warmongers who want to play god over peoples lives?  The Greens and the state should not be allowed anywhere near weapons they are far too dangerous and violent. :o :o :o :o So you are a Greenie at heart Australia should follow the lead of Canada and the Netherlands and bring our combat troops home from Afghanistan, Greens Leader Bob Brown said today. "Canada's 2,800 combat troops are preparing to go home. The Netherlands have already gone, after the collapse of public support and the Dutch government over whether to extend their mission," Senator Brown said in Hobart. "A Galaxy poll at the weekend showed most Australians want our troops brought home from Afghanistan and that should be heeded by the Government and Opposition. This level of opposition is higher than during the Vietnam War." There have been 27 Australian Defence Force personnel killed and 181 ADF members wounded in action in Afghanistan since 2002. http://greens.org.au/content/bring-combat-troops-home-afghanistan-brown Four Pillars of The Greens Movement Ecological wisdom Social justice Grassroots democracy Nonviolence Australians protest Iraq war As part of an international weekend of protest on the fourth anniversary of the US-British-Australian invasion of Iraq, 800 people participated in an anti-war rally and march on March 17 that began at Sydney Town Hall. Demanding an end to the US-led war in Iraq, the protesters also called for the Australian troops and Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks to be brought home. Speakers at the protest, organised by the Sydney Stop the War Coalition, included Greens Senator Kerry Nettle, NSW Labor MLC Meredith Burgmann, NSW Council of Civil Liberties vice-president David Burnie and Maritime Union union of Australia Sydney assistant branch secretary Paul Garrett. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/37249 So you are more Greens than you are Liberal or Labor dude. No dude, I am not Politically inclined to support any of the extremists in the Parliament and I do not care what the Greens statement of Faith says - I know by their actions that they support interventionism, assassinations and war. A statement of faith proves nothing Greens - absolutely nothing, I here you by what you obsess about, what motivates you and its base greed, power and violence. ::) :P No I am not a Green at heart I am a me at heart  8-) ;D

Going by all your posting, you are closer aligned to the Greens than Labor and Liberal


Anti war
Pro increased financial payments to the pensioners and unemployed
Pro independent foreign policy

etc etc

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:26pm: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8428050/melbourne-abortion-author-gets-death-threats another example of why there should never be euthanasia. this is just one step removed from it. The debate is concerning voluntary euthanasia, not murder. No one is out to legalise non voluntary death and that includes non voluntary of children. This is a red herring as is bestiality to marriage equality. No connection at all.

You unchock the wheel.
If you want to kill yourself...go ahead...it happens all the time...year 7 kid from the local school hung himself in his closet...he was depressed at being bullied...in keeping with current protocols it received no publicity as did the cause...sorry off the point.
But when you institutionalize death and turn it into a cottage industry you change the whole psychology and make it that much easier to make new categories.
It's not a red herring...its just the top of the hill. 

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:26pm: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8428050/melbourne-abortion-author-gets-death-threats another example of why there should never be euthanasia. this is just one step removed from it. The debate is concerning voluntary euthanasia, not murder. No one is out to legalise non voluntary death and that includes non voluntary of children. This is a red herring as is bestiality to marriage equality. No connection at all.

but THATs what ends up happening. it's what happens in the Netherlands already and happened in one other euro country who got rid of it because thats EXACTLY what happened.

adelcrow wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:26pm: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8428050/melbourne-abortion-author-gets-death-threats another example of why there should never be euthanasia. this is just one step removed from it. There is already euthanasia for the terminally ill..its just not talked about. Doctors just up the dose of Morphine until the patient stops breathing..its quite common.

and thats how we want it to stay. Where it is illegal or right out there on the edge. it is that kind of pressure which stops doctors killing for far less reasons or people pressuring the elderly to die.

say no to VE - FOREVER.

adelcrow wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:10am:

Its a tough one because half way through last week I was praying for a quick and painless death. A few days later I was on the mend..today Im back at the Gym, full of beans and ready for work next week. But seriously..Euthanasia is an important topic and as a supporter I reckon it should be an election issue.

Yeh, its debate should be given priority over the racist bigoted war mongering propaganda circus we are forced to listen to/look at NOW atleast!

  :o :o :o

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:57pm:

____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:31pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:26pm: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8428050/melbourne-abortion-author-gets-death-threats another example of why there should never be euthanasia. this is just one step removed from it. The debate is concerning voluntary euthanasia, not murder. No one is out to legalise non voluntary death and that includes non voluntary of children. This is a red herring as is bestiality to marriage equality. No connection at all. but THATs what ends up happening. it's what happens in the Netherlands already and happened in one other euro country who got rid of it because thats EXACTLY what happened.

if it was happening and that's a big if, then it's the construction of the law, not the issue of V.E.

Those that are anti free choice concerning voluntary euthanasia, where do you people stand concerning smoking and smoking deaths related with addiction and passive smoking?

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 4:32pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:57pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:31pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:26pm: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8428050/melbourne-abortion-author-gets-death-threats another example of why there should never be euthanasia. this is just one step removed from it. The debate is concerning voluntary euthanasia, not murder. No one is out to legalise non voluntary death and that includes non voluntary of children. This is a red herring as is bestiality to marriage equality. No connection at all. but THATs what ends up happening. it's what happens in the Netherlands already and happened in one other euro country who got rid of it because thats EXACTLY what happened. if it was happening and that's a big if, then it's the construction of the law, not the issue of V.E. Those that are anti free choice concerning voluntary euthanasia, where do you people stand concerning smoking and smoking deaths related with addiction and passive smoking?

When the state is involved in killing - there is no voluntary about it, the motives are transparent and translucent.  My life and my death must remain totally in my hands and free of the state.  If I want to jump off a bridge or blow my brains out, so be it, I reserve the right to decide to do that.  I object in the strongest possible terms to the state playing god and a Euthanasia program is just that a step towards the abolishing of the sanctity and the inalienable right to life.  No law can be passed on this issue that I would ever recognize the legitimacy of - this is not a popularity contest or a matter of a vote - I will never recognize the states right to terminate life through Euthanasia and would regard every instance as malicious state murder.  I consider anyone who advocates state euthanasia to be an advocate of Nazi eugenics and mass murder. >:( >:( >:( >:(

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:34pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:28pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 2:48pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:44pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:34pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:21pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:12pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:24am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:23am: Lets agree not to make it compulsory Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. >:( Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government. Nope, the state has no right to kill period. 8-) 8-) 8-) Have you called for at any time, for our troops to be brought home from Afghanistan? Yes, I have not supported any of the Greens Communist nation building or Mentoring expeditions in the Middle East...  Nobody in their right mind supports the Greens and their crank interventionist violence.  I did not support Bob Browns or your call for the assassination of Qaddafi and intervention in Libya either...Why are the Greens so violent extremist warmongers who want to play god over peoples lives?  The Greens and the state should not be allowed anywhere near weapons they are far too dangerous and violent. :o :o :o :o So you are a Greenie at heart Australia should follow the lead of Canada and the Netherlands and bring our combat troops home from Afghanistan, Greens Leader Bob Brown said today. "Canada's 2,800 combat troops are preparing to go home. The Netherlands have already gone, after the collapse of public support and the Dutch government over whether to extend their mission," Senator Brown said in Hobart. "A Galaxy poll at the weekend showed most Australians want our troops brought home from Afghanistan and that should be heeded by the Government and Opposition. This level of opposition is higher than during the Vietnam War." There have been 27 Australian Defence Force personnel killed and 181 ADF members wounded in action in Afghanistan since 2002. http://greens.org.au/content/bring-combat-troops-home-afghanistan-brown Four Pillars of The Greens Movement Ecological wisdom Social justice Grassroots democracy Nonviolence Australians protest Iraq war As part of an international weekend of protest on the fourth anniversary of the US-British-Australian invasion of Iraq, 800 people participated in an anti-war rally and march on March 17 that began at Sydney Town Hall. Demanding an end to the US-led war in Iraq, the protesters also called for the Australian troops and Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks to be brought home. Speakers at the protest, organised by the Sydney Stop the War Coalition, included Greens Senator Kerry Nettle, NSW Labor MLC Meredith Burgmann, NSW Council of Civil Liberties vice-president David Burnie and Maritime Union union of Australia Sydney assistant branch secretary Paul Garrett. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/37249 So you are more Greens than you are Liberal or Labor dude. No dude, I am not Politically inclined to support any of the extremists in the Parliament and I do not care what the Greens statement of Faith says - I know by their actions that they support interventionism, assassinations and war. A statement of faith proves nothing Greens - absolutely nothing, I here you by what you obsess about, what motivates you and its base greed, power and violence. ::) :P No I am not a Green at heart I am a me at heart  8-) ;D Going by all your posting, you are closer aligned to the Greens than Labor and Liberal Anti war Pro increased financial payments to the pensioners and unemployed Pro independent foreign policy etc etc

As I said, a statement of faith proves nothing, you favor world Government - I am the God of my own mind and my free will is absolutely sovereign - pray tell me where you believe we meet? ::) ::) ::)

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 4:52pm:

____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 4:32pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:57pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:31pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:26pm: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8428050/melbourne-abortion-author-gets-death-threats another example of why there should never be euthanasia. this is just one step removed from it. The debate is concerning voluntary euthanasia, not murder. No one is out to legalise non voluntary death and that includes non voluntary of children. This is a red herring as is bestiality to marriage equality. No connection at all. but THATs what ends up happening. it's what happens in the Netherlands already and happened in one other euro country who got rid of it because thats EXACTLY what happened. if it was happening and that's a big if, then it's the construction of the law, not the issue of V.E. Those that are anti free choice concerning voluntary euthanasia, where do you people stand concerning smoking and smoking deaths related with addiction and passive smoking? When the state is involved in killing - there is no voluntary about it, the motives are transparent and translucent.  My life and my death must remain totally in my hands and free of the state.  If I want to jump off a bridge or blow my brains out, so be it, I reserve the right to decide to do that.  I object in the strongest possible terms to the state playing god and a Euthanasia program is just that a step towards the abolishing of the sanctity and the inalienable right to life.  No law can be passed on this issue that I would ever recognize the legitimacy of - this is not a popularity contest or a matter of a vote - I will never recognize the states right to terminate life through Euthanasia and would regard every instance as malicious state murder.  I consider anyone who advocates state euthanasia to be an advocate of Nazi eugenics and mass murder. >:( >:( >:( >:(

Do you support or oppose abortion rights?

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 4:32pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:57pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:31pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:26pm: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8428050/melbourne-abortion-author-gets-death-threats another example of why there should never be euthanasia. this is just one step removed from it. The debate is concerning voluntary euthanasia, not murder. No one is out to legalise non voluntary death and that includes non voluntary of children. This is a red herring as is bestiality to marriage equality. No connection at all. but THATs what ends up happening. it's what happens in the Netherlands already and happened in one other euro country who got rid of it because thats EXACTLY what happened. if it was happening and that's a big if, then it's the construction of the law, not the issue of V.E. Those that are anti free choice concerning voluntary euthanasia, where do you people stand concerning smoking and smoking deaths related with addiction and passive smoking?

No problem with someone if they wish to top themselves going ahead...so you have a free choice.
It is happening in the Netherlands and there are quite a few papers on the subject...there are no ifs about it
But there is no good reason to involve the state.

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 5:07pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 4:52pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 4:32pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:57pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:31pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:26pm: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8428050/melbourne-abortion-author-gets-death-threats another example of why there should never be euthanasia. this is just one step removed from it. The debate is concerning voluntary euthanasia, not murder. No one is out to legalise non voluntary death and that includes non voluntary of children. This is a red herring as is bestiality to marriage equality. No connection at all. but THATs what ends up happening. it's what happens in the Netherlands already and happened in one other euro country who got rid of it because thats EXACTLY what happened. if it was happening and that's a big if, then it's the construction of the law, not the issue of V.E. Those that are anti free choice concerning voluntary euthanasia, where do you people stand concerning smoking and smoking deaths related with addiction and passive smoking? When the state is involved in killing - there is no voluntary about it, the motives are transparent and translucent.  My life and my death must remain totally in my hands and free of the state.  If I want to jump off a bridge or blow my brains out, so be it, I reserve the right to decide to do that.  I object in the strongest possible terms to the state playing god and a Euthanasia program is just that a step towards the abolishing of the sanctity and the inalienable right to life.  No law can be passed on this issue that I would ever recognize the legitimacy of - this is not a popularity contest or a matter of a vote - I will never recognize the states right to terminate life through Euthanasia and would regard every instance as malicious state murder.  I consider anyone who advocates state euthanasia to be an advocate of Nazi eugenics and mass murder. >:( >:( >:( >:( Do you support or oppose abortion rights?

I oppose the State or the Church involving itself in termination at any stage of the life cycle.   :P :P :P

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 4:55pm:

____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:34pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:28pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 2:48pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:44pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:34pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:21pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:12pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:24am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:23am: Lets agree not to make it compulsory Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. >:( Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government. Nope, the state has no right to kill period. 8-) 8-) 8-) Have you called for at any time, for our troops to be brought home from Afghanistan? Yes, I have not supported any of the Greens Communist nation building or Mentoring expeditions in the Middle East...  Nobody in their right mind supports the Greens and their crank interventionist violence.  I did not support Bob Browns or your call for the assassination of Qaddafi and intervention in Libya either...Why are the Greens so violent extremist warmongers who want to play god over peoples lives?  The Greens and the state should not be allowed anywhere near weapons they are far too dangerous and violent. :o :o :o :o So you are a Greenie at heart Australia should follow the lead of Canada and the Netherlands and bring our combat troops home from Afghanistan, Greens Leader Bob Brown said today. "Canada's 2,800 combat troops are preparing to go home. The Netherlands have already gone, after the collapse of public support and the Dutch government over whether to extend their mission," Senator Brown said in Hobart. "A Galaxy poll at the weekend showed most Australians want our troops brought home from Afghanistan and that should be heeded by the Government and Opposition. This level of opposition is higher than during the Vietnam War." There have been 27 Australian Defence Force personnel killed and 181 ADF members wounded in action in Afghanistan since 2002. http://greens.org.au/content/bring-combat-troops-home-afghanistan-brown Four Pillars of The Greens Movement Ecological wisdom Social justice Grassroots democracy Nonviolence Australians protest Iraq war As part of an international weekend of protest on the fourth anniversary of the US-British-Australian invasion of Iraq, 800 people participated in an anti-war rally and march on March 17 that began at Sydney Town Hall. Demanding an end to the US-led war in Iraq, the protesters also called for the Australian troops and Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks to be brought home. Speakers at the protest, organised by the Sydney Stop the War Coalition, included Greens Senator Kerry Nettle, NSW Labor MLC Meredith Burgmann, NSW Council of Civil Liberties vice-president David Burnie and Maritime Union union of Australia Sydney assistant branch secretary Paul Garrett. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/37249 So you are more Greens than you are Liberal or Labor dude. No dude, I am not Politically inclined to support any of the extremists in the Parliament and I do not care what the Greens statement of Faith says - I know by their actions that they support interventionism, assassinations and war. A statement of faith proves nothing Greens - absolutely nothing, I here you by what you obsess about, what motivates you and its base greed, power and violence. ::) :P No I am not a Green at heart I am a me at heart  8-) ;D Going by all your posting, you are closer aligned to the Greens than Labor and Liberal Anti war Pro increased financial payments to the pensioners and unemployed Pro independent foreign policy etc etc As I said, a statement of faith proves nothing, you favor world Government - I am the God of my own mind and my free will is absolutely sovereign - pray tell me where you believe we meet? ::) ::) ::)

I believe the conscious energy / souls of all humans are joined and that there is only one of us here.

That all life is connected in the same way.

All life past, present and future is connected via one conscious energy (some may call godliness.)


That the recognition of oneness will spark an increase in selfishness by everyone to put oneself first  (the united one )

A one world democratic government is an extension of this recognised oneness, compared to the nationalistic separation of the current system.


Are we closer now?

Like I said, you are closer to Greens thinking than you are to Labor or Liberal thinking.


2012 is the end of the world ... the world we use to be.

Welcome back home.

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 5:18pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 4:55pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:34pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:28pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 2:48pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:44pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:34pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:21pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:12pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:24am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:23am: Lets agree not to make it compulsory Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. >:( Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government. Nope, the state has no right to kill period. 8-) 8-) 8-) Have you called for at any time, for our troops to be brought home from Afghanistan? Yes, I have not supported any of the Greens Communist nation building or Mentoring expeditions in the Middle East...  Nobody in their right mind supports the Greens and their crank interventionist violence.  I did not support Bob Browns or your call for the assassination of Qaddafi and intervention in Libya either...Why are the Greens so violent extremist warmongers who want to play god over peoples lives?  The Greens and the state should not be allowed anywhere near weapons they are far too dangerous and violent. :o :o :o :o So you are a Greenie at heart Australia should follow the lead of Canada and the Netherlands and bring our combat troops home from Afghanistan, Greens Leader Bob Brown said today. "Canada's 2,800 combat troops are preparing to go home. The Netherlands have already gone, after the collapse of public support and the Dutch government over whether to extend their mission," Senator Brown said in Hobart. "A Galaxy poll at the weekend showed most Australians want our troops brought home from Afghanistan and that should be heeded by the Government and Opposition. This level of opposition is higher than during the Vietnam War." There have been 27 Australian Defence Force personnel killed and 181 ADF members wounded in action in Afghanistan since 2002. http://greens.org.au/content/bring-combat-troops-home-afghanistan-brown Four Pillars of The Greens Movement Ecological wisdom Social justice Grassroots democracy Nonviolence Australians protest Iraq war As part of an international weekend of protest on the fourth anniversary of the US-British-Australian invasion of Iraq, 800 people participated in an anti-war rally and march on March 17 that began at Sydney Town Hall. Demanding an end to the US-led war in Iraq, the protesters also called for the Australian troops and Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks to be brought home. Speakers at the protest, organised by the Sydney Stop the War Coalition, included Greens Senator Kerry Nettle, NSW Labor MLC Meredith Burgmann, NSW Council of Civil Liberties vice-president David Burnie and Maritime Union union of Australia Sydney assistant branch secretary Paul Garrett. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/37249 So you are more Greens than you are Liberal or Labor dude. No dude, I am not Politically inclined to support any of the extremists in the Parliament and I do not care what the Greens statement of Faith says - I know by their actions that they support interventionism, assassinations and war. A statement of faith proves nothing Greens - absolutely nothing, I here you by what you obsess about, what motivates you and its base greed, power and violence. ::) :P No I am not a Green at heart I am a me at heart  8-) ;D Going by all your posting, you are closer aligned to the Greens than Labor and Liberal Anti war Pro increased financial payments to the pensioners and unemployed Pro independent foreign policy etc etc As I said, a statement of faith proves nothing, you favor world Government - I am the God of my own mind and my free will is absolutely sovereign - pray tell me where you believe we meet? ::) ::) ::) I believe the conscious energy / souls of all humans are joined and that there is only one of us here. That all life is connected in the same way. All life past, present and future is connected via one conscious energy (some may call godliness.) That the recognition of oneness will spark an increase in selfishness by everyone to put oneself first  (the united one ) A one world democratic government is an extension of this recognised oneness, compared to the nationalistic separation of the current system. Are we closer now? Like I said, you are closer to Greens thinking than you are to Labor or Liberal thinking. 2012 is the end of the world ... the world we use to be. Welcome back home.

Thats fine you believe what you want, but of you become a threat to my rights, freedom or personal safety by your actions, I will respond appropriately at all times to said perceived aggression or threat.  Your spiritual or religious beliefs are your own business - do not try to make them Government or sovereign over my business or we will have a problem, that includes world Government. 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Just for you Billy Boy.

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[quote ]Just for you Billy Boy.[/quote]

Right Back at you
http://www.animateit.net/data/media/102/adu-8.gif ::)

I am gonna be here - taking my share for a long long time - eat shyte and die... http://www.animateit.net/data/media/102/adu-8.gif :D :D :D

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 5:36pm:

____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 5:18pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 4:55pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:34pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:28pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 2:48pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:44pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:34pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:21pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:12pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:24am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:23am: Lets agree not to make it compulsory Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. >:( Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government. Nope, the state has no right to kill period. 8-) 8-) 8-) Have you called for at any time, for our troops to be brought home from Afghanistan? Yes, I have not supported any of the Greens Communist nation building or Mentoring expeditions in the Middle East...  Nobody in their right mind supports the Greens and their crank interventionist violence.  I did not support Bob Browns or your call for the assassination of Qaddafi and intervention in Libya either...Why are the Greens so violent extremist warmongers who want to play god over peoples lives?  The Greens and the state should not be allowed anywhere near weapons they are far too dangerous and violent. :o :o :o :o So you are a Greenie at heart Australia should follow the lead of Canada and the Netherlands and bring our combat troops home from Afghanistan, Greens Leader Bob Brown said today. "Canada's 2,800 combat troops are preparing to go home. The Netherlands have already gone, after the collapse of public support and the Dutch government over whether to extend their mission," Senator Brown said in Hobart. "A Galaxy poll at the weekend showed most Australians want our troops brought home from Afghanistan and that should be heeded by the Government and Opposition. This level of opposition is higher than during the Vietnam War." There have been 27 Australian Defence Force personnel killed and 181 ADF members wounded in action in Afghanistan since 2002. http://greens.org.au/content/bring-combat-troops-home-afghanistan-brown Four Pillars of The Greens Movement Ecological wisdom Social justice Grassroots democracy Nonviolence Australians protest Iraq war As part of an international weekend of protest on the fourth anniversary of the US-British-Australian invasion of Iraq, 800 people participated in an anti-war rally and march on March 17 that began at Sydney Town Hall. Demanding an end to the US-led war in Iraq, the protesters also called for the Australian troops and Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks to be brought home. Speakers at the protest, organised by the Sydney Stop the War Coalition, included Greens Senator Kerry Nettle, NSW Labor MLC Meredith Burgmann, NSW Council of Civil Liberties vice-president David Burnie and Maritime Union union of Australia Sydney assistant branch secretary Paul Garrett. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/37249 So you are more Greens than you are Liberal or Labor dude. No dude, I am not Politically inclined to support any of the extremists in the Parliament and I do not care what the Greens statement of Faith says - I know by their actions that they support interventionism, assassinations and war. A statement of faith proves nothing Greens - absolutely nothing, I here you by what you obsess about, what motivates you and its base greed, power and violence. ::) :P No I am not a Green at heart I am a me at heart  8-) ;D Going by all your posting, you are closer aligned to the Greens than Labor and Liberal Anti war Pro increased financial payments to the pensioners and unemployed Pro independent foreign policy etc etc As I said, a statement of faith proves nothing, you favor world Government - I am the God of my own mind and my free will is absolutely sovereign - pray tell me where you believe we meet? ::) ::) ::) I believe the conscious energy / souls of all humans are joined and that there is only one of us here. That all life is connected in the same way. All life past, present and future is connected via one conscious energy (some may call godliness.) That the recognition of oneness will spark an increase in selfishness by everyone to put oneself first  (the united one ) A one world democratic government is an extension of this recognised oneness, compared to the nationalistic separation of the current system. Are we closer now? Like I said, you are closer to Greens thinking than you are to Labor or Liberal thinking. 2012 is the end of the world ... the world we use to be. Welcome back home. Thats fine you believe what you want, but of you become a threat to my rights, freedom or personal safety by your actions, I will respond appropriately at all times to said perceived aggression or threat.  Your spiritual or religious beliefs are your own business - do not try to make them Government or sovereign over my business or we will have a problem, that includes world Government. 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

In my mythology, you are me, so how I treat you is how I treat myself. I believe in giving myself maximum freedom as long as it is in the highest intent for all life. So I would not kill you against your will ... same way as I will not let you suffer a terminal illness against your will.

This is why I believe voluntary euthanasia should be an option to those of sound mind and made free of external pressures. And only available to people of certain terminal conditions.

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 5:56pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 5:36pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 5:18pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 4:55pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:34pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:28pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 2:48pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:44pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:34pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:21pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:12pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:24am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:23am: Lets agree not to make it compulsory Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. >:( Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government. Nope, the state has no right to kill period. 8-) 8-) 8-) Have you called for at any time, for our troops to be brought home from Afghanistan? Yes, I have not supported any of the Greens Communist nation building or Mentoring expeditions in the Middle East...  Nobody in their right mind supports the Greens and their crank interventionist violence.  I did not support Bob Browns or your call for the assassination of Qaddafi and intervention in Libya either...Why are the Greens so violent extremist warmongers who want to play god over peoples lives?  The Greens and the state should not be allowed anywhere near weapons they are far too dangerous and violent. :o :o :o :o So you are a Greenie at heart Australia should follow the lead of Canada and the Netherlands and bring our combat troops home from Afghanistan, Greens Leader Bob Brown said today. "Canada's 2,800 combat troops are preparing to go home. The Netherlands have already gone, after the collapse of public support and the Dutch government over whether to extend their mission," Senator Brown said in Hobart. "A Galaxy poll at the weekend showed most Australians want our troops brought home from Afghanistan and that should be heeded by the Government and Opposition. This level of opposition is higher than during the Vietnam War." There have been 27 Australian Defence Force personnel killed and 181 ADF members wounded in action in Afghanistan since 2002. http://greens.org.au/content/bring-combat-troops-home-afghanistan-brown Four Pillars of The Greens Movement Ecological wisdom Social justice Grassroots democracy Nonviolence Australians protest Iraq war As part of an international weekend of protest on the fourth anniversary of the US-British-Australian invasion of Iraq, 800 people participated in an anti-war rally and march on March 17 that began at Sydney Town Hall. Demanding an end to the US-led war in Iraq, the protesters also called for the Australian troops and Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks to be brought home. Speakers at the protest, organised by the Sydney Stop the War Coalition, included Greens Senator Kerry Nettle, NSW Labor MLC Meredith Burgmann, NSW Council of Civil Liberties vice-president David Burnie and Maritime Union union of Australia Sydney assistant branch secretary Paul Garrett. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/37249 So you are more Greens than you are Liberal or Labor dude. No dude, I am not Politically inclined to support any of the extremists in the Parliament and I do not care what the Greens statement of Faith says - I know by their actions that they support interventionism, assassinations and war. A statement of faith proves nothing Greens - absolutely nothing, I here you by what you obsess about, what motivates you and its base greed, power and violence. ::) :P No I am not a Green at heart I am a me at heart  8-) ;D Going by all your posting, you are closer aligned to the Greens than Labor and Liberal Anti war Pro increased financial payments to the pensioners and unemployed Pro independent foreign policy etc etc As I said, a statement of faith proves nothing, you favor world Government - I am the God of my own mind and my free will is absolutely sovereign - pray tell me where you believe we meet? ::) ::) ::) I believe the conscious energy / souls of all humans are joined and that there is only one of us here. That all life is connected in the same way. All life past, present and future is connected via one conscious energy (some may call godliness.) That the recognition of oneness will spark an increase in selfishness by everyone to put oneself first  (the united one ) A one world democratic government is an extension of this recognised oneness, compared to the nationalistic separation of the current system. Are we closer now? Like I said, you are closer to Greens thinking than you are to Labor or Liberal thinking. 2012 is the end of the world ... the world we use to be. Welcome back home. Thats fine you believe what you want, but of you become a threat to my rights, freedom or personal safety by your actions, I will respond appropriately at all times to said perceived aggression or threat.  Your spiritual or religious beliefs are your own business - do not try to make them Government or sovereign over my business or we will have a problem, that includes world Government. 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) In my mythology, you are me, so how I treat you is how I treat myself. I believe in giving myself maximum freedom as long as it is in the highest intent for all life. So I would not kill you against your will ... same way as I will not let you suffer a terminal illness against your will. This is why I believe voluntary euthanasia should be an option to those of sound mind and made free of external pressures. And only available to people of certain terminal conditions.

I could not make head or tail of that confused garbage you just posted but on the issue of Euthanasia - as we do have precedent in the 20th century, I believe the "Inglorious Basterds" response is the appropriate one should the same circumstances arise again.  The rest of it - I am sorry, it was nonsense. 8-) 8-) 8-)

I dont think any of you have given anything but opinion.
Why should your opinion dictate the way another lives their life?
What right do you have to say someone cant do something to themselves, just like you wouldnt want someone to do the same to you.
Law should not make illegal victimless crime because it makes the innocent victims, which defeats the purpose of law.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 7:34pm:

I dont think any of you have given anything but opinion. Why should your opinion dictate the way another lives their life? What right do you have to say someone cant do something to themselves, just like you wouldnt want someone to do the same to you. Law should not make illegal victimless crime because it makes the innocent victims, which defeats the purpose of law.

The position in the Netherlands is more than just opinion.
I don't care if someone does not want to live on this little blue speck anymore and then freely and of their own volition ends their own life. That is available to them now, without legislation (for it needs none) and is none of my business.
But it is not for the State to turn it into a cottage industry. It is much too readily open to abuse.

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:06am:

Dutch launch mobile euthanasia teams Six specialised teams will criss-cross the Netherlands to carry out euthanasia at the home of patients whose own doctors refuse to do so, a pro-euthanasia group said. "From Thursday, the Levenseindekliniek (Life-end clinic) will have mobile teams where people who think they comply with the criteria for euthanasia can register," Right-to-die NL (NVVE) spokeswoman Walburg de Jong said. "If they comply, the teams will carry out the euthanasia at patients' homes should their normal doctors refuse to help them." Ms De Jong says the group, called the Life-end clinic, has teams made up of a specially-trained doctor and nurse who will work part time, visiting patients all over the Netherlands. The Netherlands became the first country in the world to legalise euthanasia in April 2002, and has strict criteria regulating how such mercy killings can be carried out. Patients must be mentally alert when making the request to die. Patients also have to face a future of "unbearable, interminable suffering" and both the patient and the doctor - who have to obtain a second opinion - before euthanasia is carried out, must agree there is no cure. Each euthanasia case is then reported to one of five special commissions, each made up of a doctor, a jurist and an ethical expert charged with verifying that all criteria had been observed. The mobile euthanasia plan, which received the thumbs-up from Dutch health minister Edith Schippers in the Dutch parliament, has been met with scepticism from one of the Netherlands' largest medical lobbies. The Royal Dutch Society of Doctors says it doubts whether the "euthanasia doctors" will be able to form a close enough relationship with a patient to make a correct assessment. Ms De Jong says around 3,100 mercy killings are carried out each year in the Netherlands and that the NVVE has already been phoned by 70 potential patients since the plan was announced in early February. The NVVE says its teams are expected to receive around 1,000 assisted suicides requests per year. http://abc.com.au/news/2012-03-01/dutch-launch-mobile-euthanasia-teams/3861636

I'm all for voluntary euthanasia but let's put that aside while Rome is Burning.

For those that want to die with dignity if their other option for the last months of their life is being bedridden and zonked to the brain on pain killers they should have the choice of Euthanasia. For those that dont want the option they do not have to use it.
Its quite simple really.

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 1:44pm:

____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:34pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:21pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 1:12pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:24am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 10:23am: Lets agree not to make it compulsory Lets just agree the state has no right to do it shall we. >:( Sure the state should not engage in wars that force non~voluntary death i.e illegal invasions and causing civil wars via invasions and throwing over the country's government. Nope, the state has no right to kill period. 8-) 8-) 8-) Have you called for at any time, for our troops to be brought home from Afghanistan? Yes, I have not supported any of the Greens Communist nation building or Mentoring expeditions in the Middle East...  Nobody in their right mind supports the Greens and their crank interventionist violence.  I did not support Bob Browns or your call for the assassination of Qaddafi and intervention in Libya either...Why are the Greens so violent extremist warmongers who want to play god over peoples lives?  The Greens and the state should not be allowed anywhere near weapons they are far too dangerous and violent. :o :o :o :o

And you should not be allowed to operate heavy machinery. :o :o :o :o

____ wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 4:32pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:57pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:31pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:26pm: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8428050/melbourne-abortion-author-gets-death-threats another example of why there should never be euthanasia. this is just one step removed from it. The debate is concerning voluntary euthanasia, not murder. No one is out to legalise non voluntary death and that includes non voluntary of children. This is a red herring as is bestiality to marriage equality. No connection at all. but THATs what ends up happening. it's what happens in the Netherlands already and happened in one other euro country who got rid of it because thats EXACTLY what happened. if it was happening and that's a big if, then it's the construction of the law, not the issue of V.E. Those that are anti free choice concerning voluntary euthanasia, where do you people stand concerning smoking and smoking deaths related with addiction and passive smoking?

you live in a naive world. it wasnt the LAW's fault but the problem of human nature. We are always eager to find ways to kill people, legal or othereise. VE simply makes it easier and extends the range of those we CAN kill. but then people ALWAYS push those boundaries. Remember abortion and how it was only to be used to extenuating circumstances? now it is on demand and we even have people considering extending it to actul newborn children.

tonegunman1 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 8:17pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 7:34pm: I dont think any of you have given anything but opinion. Why should your opinion dictate the way another lives their life? What right do you have to say someone cant do something to themselves, just like you wouldnt want someone to do the same to you. Law should not make illegal victimless crime because it makes the innocent victims, which defeats the purpose of law. The position in the Netherlands is more than just opinion. I don't care if someone does not want to live on this little blue speck anymore and then freely and of their own volition ends their own life. That is available to them now, without legislation (for it needs none) and is none of my business. But it is not for the State to turn it into a cottage industry. It is much too readily open to abuse.

perfectly said. most proponents of VE are incredibly naive. imagine a situation where people are afraid of going to the doctor because they fear euthanasia? even if theat fer is midfounded it indicates that VE has brought a great degree of fear to people who think they could be coerved into suicide or considered incompetent and euthanised against their wishes.

adelcrow wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 8:04am:

For those that want to die with dignity if their other option for the last months of their life is being bedridden and zonked to the brain on pain killers they should have the choice of Euthanasia. For those that dont want the option they do not have to use it. Its quite simple really.

and THAT is about as niave as you can get. to think that everyone has good morals and concience and would never try and encourage and elderly relative to suicide... even though it has been shown to happen. and to think that the non-consensual euthanasia  of the disabled and retard wouldnt happen - despite the fact that it has.

you almost deserve to see the world your naievete would produce.

There is nothing voluntary about it when the state, the corporation or the church is involved in killing.  Any killing by a sovereign overarching universal government can by definition not be a matter of free will and choice on the part of the victim.  No form of external governing force can be involved in a person deciding to end their life and ending it or it is not free, it is not voluntary and we are all at risk from an external Governing entity deciding to end our life on any manner of pretexts and justifications... 8-) 8-) 8-)

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 9:31am:

____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 4:32pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:57pm: ____ wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:31pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:26pm: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8428050/melbourne-abortion-author-gets-death-threats another example of why there should never be euthanasia. this is just one step removed from it. The debate is concerning voluntary euthanasia, not murder. No one is out to legalise non voluntary death and that includes non voluntary of children. This is a red herring as is bestiality to marriage equality. No connection at all. but THATs what ends up happening. it's what happens in the Netherlands already and happened in one other euro country who got rid of it because thats EXACTLY what happened. if it was happening and that's a big if, then it's the construction of the law, not the issue of V.E. Those that are anti free choice concerning voluntary euthanasia, where do you people stand concerning smoking and smoking deaths related with addiction and passive smoking? you live in a naive world. it wasnt the LAW's fault but the problem of human nature. We are always eager to find ways to kill people, legal or othereise. VE simply makes it easier and extends the range of those we CAN kill. but then people ALWAYS push those boundaries. Remember abortion and how it was only to be used to extenuating circumstances? now it is on demand and we even have people considering extending it to actul newborn children.

Yet abortion is legal and the creators of these fetuses are treated as adults and so are entitle to make life and death decisions.

If parents are allowed to make these grown up decision, should these same parents be entitled to make decisions on their own lives when confronted with a terminal condition of illness.

Polling shows the majority of Australians think we should be entitle to this decision.

If people are morally opposed to shortening their own lives via one method (V.E) yet not others like using alcohol, cigarettes or consuming meat, then they are welcome to their decision.

When these people think they have control over everyone else because of inflated belief that their way is the only way, then these people have overstepped there area of control and should pull their heads in.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 8:04am: For those that want to die with dignity if their other option for the last months of their life is being bedridden and zonked to the brain on pain killers they should have the choice of Euthanasia. For those that dont want the option they do not have to use it. Its quite simple really. and THAT is about as niave as you can get. to think that everyone has good morals and concience and would never try and encourage and elderly relative to suicide... even though it has been shown to happen. and to think that the non-consensual euthanasia  of the disabled and retard wouldnt happen - despite the fact that it has. you almost deserve to see the world your naievete would produce.

If people break the law and commit murder then the law is the vehicle to sort these kind of matters.

One bad apple should not be used to punish all terminally ill people via excessive suffering and loss of dignity.

____ wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 9:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:40am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 8:04am: For those that want to die with dignity if their other option for the last months of their life is being bedridden and zonked to the brain on pain killers they should have the choice of Euthanasia. For those that dont want the option they do not have to use it. Its quite simple really. and THAT is about as niave as you can get. to think that everyone has good morals and concience and would never try and encourage and elderly relative to suicide... even though it has been shown to happen. and to think that the non-consensual euthanasia  of the disabled and retard wouldnt happen - despite the fact that it has. you almost deserve to see the world your naievete would produce. If people break the law and commit murder then the law is the vehicle to sort these kind of matters. One bad apple should not be used to punish all terminally ill people via excessive suffering and loss of dignity.

That is not a valid argument for giving the state more power to kill and you take away from people the dignity of dying on their own terms if the state is involved.  It just shows how cruel and inhumane the State killing advocates are. 8-)

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 9:38am:

tonegunman1 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 8:17pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 7:34pm: I dont think any of you have given anything but opinion. Why should your opinion dictate the way another lives their life? What right do you have to say someone cant do something to themselves, just like you wouldnt want someone to do the same to you. Law should not make illegal victimless crime because it makes the innocent victims, which defeats the purpose of law. The position in the Netherlands is more than just opinion. I don't care if someone does not want to live on this little blue speck anymore and then freely and of their own volition ends their own life. That is available to them now, without legislation (for it needs none) and is none of my business. But it is not for the State to turn it into a cottage industry. It is much too readily open to abuse. perfectly said. most proponents of VE are incredibly naive. imagine a situation where people are afraid of going to the doctor because they fear euthanasia? even if theat fer is midfounded it indicates that VE has brought a great degree of fear to people who think they could be coerved into suicide or considered incompetent and euthanised against their wishes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yn-eejMcmuA


Santorum ‘grossly mischaracterized’ Netherlands euthanasia policy

GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum’s “demagogic” social message of women flying small planes, worship of Israel and winking at Iran has another bizarre twist and includes elderly Dutch people wearing “Do not euthanize me” bracelets.
The Dutch government is being urged to make a public statement over Santorum’s recent comments on the Dutch euthanasia policy, in which the Republican presidential hopeful falsely claimed forced euthanasia in the Netherlands is responsible for five percent of the country’s deaths.
Labour MP Frans Timmermans is calling on Foreign minister Uri Rosenthal to make a public statement over the “scandalous” comments ushered forth by Santorum. “I have asked him to make a public statement. This cannot be allowed to rest,” Timmermans said on his Facebook page, according to Dutch News.
American media has finally begun scrutinizing comments Santorum has made in his run to the top of recent polls, showing him out in front of the GOP field. In the scrutiny was evidence of false claims by the Pennsylvania senator, called one of the most corrupt senators in the United States in 2006, over the Netherlands’ euthanasia policy.
A video posted to YouTube by Right Wing Watch, an arm of People for the American Way, shows Santorum stating the elderly Dutch wear a bracelet which reads “Do not euthanize me.” He continues with his pronouncement,
Because they have voluntary euthanasia in the Netherlands, but half the people who are euthanized every year — and it’s 10 percent of all deaths for the Netherlands — half of those people are euthanized involuntarily, at hospitals, because they are older and sick. And so elderly people in the Netherlands don’t go to the hospital, they go to another country, because they’re afraid because of budget purposes that they will not come out of that hospital if they go into it with sickness.
The New York Times notes the Dutch ambassador to the US has refused comment on Santorum’s remarks, who has said the Dutch government’s preference is not to get involved in the American presidential race.
Voluntary euthanasia has been legal in the Netherlands since 2002, and accounted for about two percent of deaths in 2010, Dutch News reports. The procedure requires consent of two doctors and is carried out under strict conditions.
Dutch embassy spokeswoman Carla Bundy told the Washington Post, “According to the Ministry of Health, ‘Do not euthanize me’ bracelets do not exist in the Netherlands.”
FactCheck.org, a nonpartisan group which monitors U.S. politicians’ factual accuracy, said Santorum, during his participation at religious forum earlier in February, “grossly mischaracterized” the Netherlands euthanasia policy.
Last week, Common Dreams said Santorum is delivering a "demagogic social message," betrayed by his Mister Rogers appearance.
Santorum’s campaign has not responded to requests for explanations where the “corrupt” Senator’s sources obtained information for his euthanasia comments.


http://digitaljournal.com/article/320241

____ wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:04am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:38am: tonegunman1 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 8:17pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 7:34pm: I dont think any of you have given anything but opinion. Why should your opinion dictate the way another lives their life? What right do you have to say someone cant do something to themselves, just like you wouldnt want someone to do the same to you. Law should not make illegal victimless crime because it makes the innocent victims, which defeats the purpose of law. The position in the Netherlands is more than just opinion. I don't care if someone does not want to live on this little blue speck anymore and then freely and of their own volition ends their own life. That is available to them now, without legislation (for it needs none) and is none of my business. But it is not for the State to turn it into a cottage industry. It is much too readily open to abuse. perfectly said. most proponents of VE are incredibly naive. imagine a situation where people are afraid of going to the doctor because they fear euthanasia? even if theat fer is midfounded it indicates that VE has brought a great degree of fear to people who think they could be coerved into suicide or considered incompetent and euthanised against their wishes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yn-eejMcmuA Santorum ‘grossly mischaracterized’ Netherlands euthanasia policy GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum’s “demagogic” social message of women flying small planes, worship of Israel and winking at Iran has another bizarre twist and includes elderly Dutch people wearing “Do not euthanize me” bracelets. The Dutch government is being urged to make a public statement over Santorum’s recent comments on the Dutch euthanasia policy, in which the Republican presidential hopeful falsely claimed forced euthanasia in the Netherlands is responsible for five percent of the country’s deaths. Labour MP Frans Timmermans is calling on Foreign minister Uri Rosenthal to make a public statement over the “scandalous” comments ushered forth by Santorum. “I have asked him to make a public statement. This cannot be allowed to rest,” Timmermans said on his Facebook page, according to Dutch News. American media has finally begun scrutinizing comments Santorum has made in his run to the top of recent polls, showing him out in front of the GOP field. In the scrutiny was evidence of false claims by the Pennsylvania senator, called one of the most corrupt senators in the United States in 2006, over the Netherlands’ euthanasia policy. A video posted to YouTube by Right Wing Watch, an arm of People for the American Way, shows Santorum stating the elderly Dutch wear a bracelet which reads “Do not euthanize me.” He continues with his pronouncement, Because they have voluntary euthanasia in the Netherlands, but half the people who are euthanized every year — and it’s 10 percent of all deaths for the Netherlands — half of those people are euthanized involuntarily, at hospitals, because they are older and sick. And so elderly people in the Netherlands don’t go to the hospital, they go to another country, because they’re afraid because of budget purposes that they will not come out of that hospital if they go into it with sickness. The New York Times notes the Dutch ambassador to the US has refused comment on Santorum’s remarks, who has said the Dutch government’s preference is not to get involved in the American presidential race. Voluntary euthanasia has been legal in the Netherlands since 2002, and accounted for about two percent of deaths in 2010, Dutch News reports. The procedure requires consent of two doctors and is carried out under strict conditions. Dutch embassy spokeswoman Carla Bundy told the Washington Post, “According to the Ministry of Health, ‘Do not euthanize me’ bracelets do not exist in the Netherlands.” FactCheck.org, a nonpartisan group which monitors U.S. politicians’ factual accuracy, said Santorum, during his participation at religious forum earlier in February, “grossly mischaracterized” the Netherlands euthanasia policy. Last week, Common Dreams said Santorum is delivering a "demagogic social message," betrayed by his Mister Rogers appearance. Santorum’s campaign has not responded to requests for explanations where the “corrupt” Senator’s sources obtained information for his euthanasia comments. http://digitaljournal.com/article/320241

This is a reactionary panic copy and paste post - nobody will waste their time reading it. 8-)

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:02am:

____ wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:59am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:40am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 8:04am: For those that want to die with dignity if their other option for the last months of their life is being bedridden and zonked to the brain on pain killers they should have the choice of Euthanasia. For those that dont want the option they do not have to use it. Its quite simple really. and THAT is about as niave as you can get. to think that everyone has good morals and concience and would never try and encourage and elderly relative to suicide... even though it has been shown to happen. and to think that the non-consensual euthanasia  of the disabled and retard wouldnt happen - despite the fact that it has. you almost deserve to see the world your naievete would produce. If people break the law and commit murder then the law is the vehicle to sort these kind of matters. One bad apple should not be used to punish all terminally ill people via excessive suffering and loss of dignity. That is not a valid argument for giving the state more power to kill and you take away from people the dignity of dying on their own terms if the state is involved.  It just shows how cruel and inhumane the State killing advocates are. 8-)

Motor Vehicles kill and people purposely take mind altering drugs either legally and illegally and then get behind a wheel. Should we use this small percentage of people to stop all people from driving vehicles ... or do we continue and have the Laws sort these issues.


I take it you oppose all forms of state sanctioned death.

How about abortion when the mother's life is at risk?

____ wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:11am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 10:02am: ____ wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:59am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:40am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 8:04am: For those that want to die with dignity if their other option for the last months of their life is being bedridden and zonked to the brain on pain killers they should have the choice of Euthanasia. For those that dont want the option they do not have to use it. Its quite simple really. and THAT is about as niave as you can get. to think that everyone has good morals and concience and would never try and encourage and elderly relative to suicide... even though it has been shown to happen. and to think that the non-consensual euthanasia  of the disabled and retard wouldnt happen - despite the fact that it has. you almost deserve to see the world your naievete would produce. If people break the law and commit murder then the law is the vehicle to sort these kind of matters. One bad apple should not be used to punish all terminally ill people via excessive suffering and loss of dignity. That is not a valid argument for giving the state more power to kill and you take away from people the dignity of dying on their own terms if the state is involved.  It just shows how cruel and inhumane the State killing advocates are. 8-) Motor Vehicles kill and people purposely take mind altering drugs either legally and illegally and then get behind a wheel. Should we use this small percentage of people to stop all people from driving vehicles ... or do we continue and have the Laws sort these issues. I take it you oppose all forms of state sanctioned death. How about abortion when the mother's life is at risk?

Invalid argument does not require a response, I oppose all state involvement in the termination of life where that is the intended outcome. 8-) 8-)

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:15am:

____ wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 10:11am: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 10:02am: ____ wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:59am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:40am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 8:04am: For those that want to die with dignity if their other option for the last months of their life is being bedridden and zonked to the brain on pain killers they should have the choice of Euthanasia. For those that dont want the option they do not have to use it. Its quite simple really. and THAT is about as niave as you can get. to think that everyone has good morals and concience and would never try and encourage and elderly relative to suicide... even though it has been shown to happen. and to think that the non-consensual euthanasia  of the disabled and retard wouldnt happen - despite the fact that it has. you almost deserve to see the world your naievete would produce. If people break the law and commit murder then the law is the vehicle to sort these kind of matters. One bad apple should not be used to punish all terminally ill people via excessive suffering and loss of dignity. That is not a valid argument for giving the state more power to kill and you take away from people the dignity of dying on their own terms if the state is involved.  It just shows how cruel and inhumane the State killing advocates are. 8-) Motor Vehicles kill and people purposely take mind altering drugs either legally and illegally and then get behind a wheel. Should we use this small percentage of people to stop all people from driving vehicles ... or do we continue and have the Laws sort these issues. I take it you oppose all forms of state sanctioned death. How about abortion when the mother's life is at risk? Invalid argument does not require a response, I oppose all state involvement in the termination of life where that is the intended outcome. 8-) 8-)

Nothing wrong with the question, do you support abortion when the mother's life is at risk?

Yes or No?

____ wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:11am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 10:02am: ____ wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:59am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:40am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 8:04am: For those that want to die with dignity if their other option for the last months of their life is being bedridden and zonked to the brain on pain killers they should have the choice of Euthanasia. For those that dont want the option they do not have to use it. Its quite simple really. and THAT is about as niave as you can get. to think that everyone has good morals and concience and would never try and encourage and elderly relative to suicide... even though it has been shown to happen. and to think that the non-consensual euthanasia  of the disabled and retard wouldnt happen - despite the fact that it has. you almost deserve to see the world your naievete would produce. If people break the law and commit murder then the law is the vehicle to sort these kind of matters. One bad apple should not be used to punish all terminally ill people via excessive suffering and loss of dignity. That is not a valid argument for giving the state more power to kill and you take away from people the dignity of dying on their own terms if the state is involved.  It just shows how cruel and inhumane the State killing advocates are. 8-) Motor Vehicles kill and people purposely take mind altering drugs either legally and illegally and then get behind a wheel. Should we use this small percentage of people to stop all people from driving vehicles ... or do we continue and have the Laws sort these issues. I take it you oppose all forms of state sanctioned death. How about abortion when the mother's life is at risk?

A 1990 report had the death rate in the Netherlands from eurthanasia running at 9.1% of total deaths of which the report found the majority were without concent. That is not a small percentage.
Now who is throwing out red herrings?...this is about euthanasia not abortion.

tonegunman1 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 11:02am:

____ wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 10:11am: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 10:02am: ____ wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:59am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:40am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 8:04am: For those that want to die with dignity if their other option for the last months of their life is being bedridden and zonked to the brain on pain killers they should have the choice of Euthanasia. For those that dont want the option they do not have to use it. Its quite simple really. and THAT is about as niave as you can get. to think that everyone has good morals and concience and would never try and encourage and elderly relative to suicide... even though it has been shown to happen. and to think that the non-consensual euthanasia  of the disabled and retard wouldnt happen - despite the fact that it has. you almost deserve to see the world your naievete would produce. If people break the law and commit murder then the law is the vehicle to sort these kind of matters. One bad apple should not be used to punish all terminally ill people via excessive suffering and loss of dignity. That is not a valid argument for giving the state more power to kill and you take away from people the dignity of dying on their own terms if the state is involved.  It just shows how cruel and inhumane the State killing advocates are. 8-) Motor Vehicles kill and people purposely take mind altering drugs either legally and illegally and then get behind a wheel. Should we use this small percentage of people to stop all people from driving vehicles ... or do we continue and have the Laws sort these issues. I take it you oppose all forms of state sanctioned death. How about abortion when the mother's life is at risk? A 1990 report had the death rate in the Netherlands from eurthanasia running at 9.1% of total deaths of which the report found the majority were without concent. That is not a small percentage. Now who is throwing out red herrings?...this is about euthanasia not abortion.

9.1%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how is that not a travesty of major proportions.

____ wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:37am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 10:15am: ____ wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 10:11am: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 10:02am: ____ wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:59am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:40am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 8:04am: For those that want to die with dignity if their other option for the last months of their life is being bedridden and zonked to the brain on pain killers they should have the choice of Euthanasia. For those that dont want the option they do not have to use it. Its quite simple really. and THAT is about as niave as you can get. to think that everyone has good morals and concience and would never try and encourage and elderly relative to suicide... even though it has been shown to happen. and to think that the non-consensual euthanasia  of the disabled and retard wouldnt happen - despite the fact that it has. you almost deserve to see the world your naievete would produce. If people break the law and commit murder then the law is the vehicle to sort these kind of matters. One bad apple should not be used to punish all terminally ill people via excessive suffering and loss of dignity. That is not a valid argument for giving the state more power to kill and you take away from people the dignity of dying on their own terms if the state is involved.  It just shows how cruel and inhumane the State killing advocates are. 8-) Motor Vehicles kill and people purposely take mind altering drugs either legally and illegally and then get behind a wheel. Should we use this small percentage of people to stop all people from driving vehicles ... or do we continue and have the Laws sort these issues. I take it you oppose all forms of state sanctioned death. How about abortion when the mother's life is at risk? Invalid argument does not require a response, I oppose all state involvement in the termination of life where that is the intended outcome. 8-) 8-) Nothing wrong with the question, do you support abortion when the mother's life is at risk? Yes or No?

The question is without relevance, meaning or foundation as the issue involves the right of the state to perform a procedure where its intent is to terminate life.  Its the word "intent" with regard to human life which is key here in the performance of any procedure. So again, your question is irrelevant... 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 11:28am:

tonegunman1 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 11:02am: ____ wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 10:11am: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 10:02am: ____ wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:59am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:40am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 8:04am: For those that want to die with dignity if their other option for the last months of their life is being bedridden and zonked to the brain on pain killers they should have the choice of Euthanasia. For those that dont want the option they do not have to use it. Its quite simple really. and THAT is about as niave as you can get. to think that everyone has good morals and concience and would never try and encourage and elderly relative to suicide... even though it has been shown to happen. and to think that the non-consensual euthanasia  of the disabled and retard wouldnt happen - despite the fact that it has. you almost deserve to see the world your naievete would produce. If people break the law and commit murder then the law is the vehicle to sort these kind of matters. One bad apple should not be used to punish all terminally ill people via excessive suffering and loss of dignity. That is not a valid argument for giving the state more power to kill and you take away from people the dignity of dying on their own terms if the state is involved.  It just shows how cruel and inhumane the State killing advocates are. 8-) Motor Vehicles kill and people purposely take mind altering drugs either legally and illegally and then get behind a wheel. Should we use this small percentage of people to stop all people from driving vehicles ... or do we continue and have the Laws sort these issues. I take it you oppose all forms of state sanctioned death. How about abortion when the mother's life is at risk? A 1990 report had the death rate in the Netherlands from eurthanasia running at 9.1% of total deaths of which the report found the majority were without concent. That is not a small percentage. Now who is throwing out red herrings?...this is about euthanasia not abortion. 9.1%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how is that not a travesty of major proportions.

Yet dutch legalised voluntary euthanasia came into law  in 2002.

Why are you quoting from 1990.

or are you trying to paint suicides as euthanasia?

tHE sTATE SHOULD BE ABOLISHED BEFORE THEY COMPLETELY WRECK OUR WAY OF LIFE AND HAVE US LIVING ON THE STREET WITH HURRICANE LAMPS. :-? :-? :-?

____ wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 2:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 11:28am: tonegunman1 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 11:02am: ____ wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 10:11am: corporate_whitey wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 10:02am: ____ wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:59am: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 9:40am: adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 8:04am: For those that want to die with dignity if their other option for the last months of their life is being bedridden and zonked to the brain on pain killers they should have the choice of Euthanasia. For those that dont want the option they do not have to use it. Its quite simple really. and THAT is about as niave as you can get. to think that everyone has good morals and concience and would never try and encourage and elderly relative to suicide... even though it has been shown to happen. and to think that the non-consensual euthanasia  of the disabled and retard wouldnt happen - despite the fact that it has. you almost deserve to see the world your naievete would produce. If people break the law and commit murder then the law is the vehicle to sort these kind of matters. One bad apple should not be used to punish all terminally ill people via excessive suffering and loss of dignity. That is not a valid argument for giving the state more power to kill and you take away from people the dignity of dying on their own terms if the state is involved.  It just shows how cruel and inhumane the State killing advocates are. 8-) Motor Vehicles kill and people purposely take mind altering drugs either legally and illegally and then get behind a wheel. Should we use this small percentage of people to stop all people from driving vehicles ... or do we continue and have the Laws sort these issues. I take it you oppose all forms of state sanctioned death. How about abortion when the mother's life is at risk? A 1990 report had the death rate in the Netherlands from eurthanasia running at 9.1% of total deaths of which the report found the majority were without concent. That is not a small percentage. Now who is throwing out red herrings?...this is about euthanasia not abortion. 9.1%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how is that not a travesty of major proportions. Yet dutch legalised voluntary euthanasia came into law  in 2002. Why are you quoting from 1990. or are you trying to paint suicides as euthanasia?

Euthanasia has been practiced in the Netherlands with the government and courts turning the other way since about the early 1980's. Which is more or less the same as legalisation. In fact there has been an agreement between the Dutch Ministry of Justice and the Royal Dutch Medical association since 1990 where doctors have been granted immunity from prosecution.  The Holland Government Remmelink Report into the practice found the following numbers of patients and circumstances of their deaths -
400 - Doctors supplied means to kill themselves to patients.
2300 - Doctors complied with reqests.
1040 - Doctors actively killed patients without knowledge or consent.
4941 - Doctors administered letal doses of morphine without patients knowledge or consent.
So no...not suicides.

People who want the option should be allowed that option..everyone else can please themselves.

adelcrow wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 4:30pm:

People who want the option should be allowed that option..everyone else can please themselves.

and the childish naievete continues.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 4:51pm:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 4:30pm: People who want the option should be allowed that option..everyone else can please themselves. and the childish naivety continues.

Spell check  :P

The Hard Religious Right reckons they are the only adults in the room ... so what they say goes.

What about the majority of the christians who are not hard right and do support V.E.

____ wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 5:04pm:

The Hard Religious Right reckons they are the only adults in the room ... so what they say goes. What about the majority of the christians who are not hard right and do support V.E.

Although your extremism is an embarassment to us moderates too Greens_Lose - someone in here pitching day in and day out for legalized state killing has big issues. ::) ::) :D

Oh look how sweet, the forum extremist is back screaming for state rights to  Euthanize 'unproductive useless eaters' again.... :o :o :o :o ::) ::)