abu_rashid wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

Yeh that's why the worlds only superpower is getting themselves whipped by a small resistance movement in Afghanistan. Which according to the US's own reports only consisted of a few thousand members... remember that one do we?

Can you elaborate please Abu? I am interested to know what a great Islamic victory looks like.

freediver wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 8:20pm:

I am interested to know what a great Islamic victory looks like.

It looks like this great victory by the Black Knight :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4

freediver wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 8:20pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 26th, 2012 at 12:55pm: Yeh that's why the worlds only superpower is getting themselves whipped by a small resistance movement in Afghanistan. Which according to the US's own reports only consisted of a few thousand members... remember that one do we? Can you elaborate please Abu? I am interested to know what a great Islamic victory looks like.

Will look less like this:

http://www.overthinkingit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/invisible-victory.jpg

and more like this:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/us_dead_soldiers.jpg

20 dead Americans? That is a great Islamic military victory? We get more Australians dying on the road every Christmas. More Muslims die each month from coconuts falling on their head.

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2012 at 10:24pm:

20 dead Americans? That is a great Islamic military victory? We get more Australians dying on the road every Christmas. More Muslims die each month from coconuts falling on their head.

20? That is not what this website says:

http://www.icasualties.org/OEF/index.aspx

2905 US-led soldiers killed in Afghanistan...and that does not even include mercenaries! Throw in the number of US soldiers who are permanently disabled, and you are looking at tens of thousands.

4804 US-led soldiers killed in Iraq...and that does not even include mercenaries! Throw in the number of US soldiers who are permanently disabled, and you are looking at tens of thousands.

http://icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx

http://www.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/web/100715-F-9876P-002.jpg


Cost of attacking Muslims countries to US economy since 2001?

$1.307 trillion.

http://costofwar.com/en/

OK then, can you tell me what it might look like if the Muslims lost? Just so we can put this great victory into perspective.

For a start the U.S wouldn't be begging the Talibaan to negotiate with them.

So the difference between a great Islamic victory and a loss depends on which local Muslim groups the foreign occupiers talk to?

Not say, the presence of foreign military bases, the ability of foreign armies to come and go as they please, the ability of foreigners to dismiss and install governments at their discretion?

Not even whether those foriegn forces feel such sympathy for the locals that instead of waging conventional war, they actually help to rebuild the nation, set up civil administrations, elections etc?

Does this mean Muhammed established his caliphate by getting whipped by every tribe he came across?

U.S can go whereever they please? LOL!

You're a victim fd.

They are being whipped, and like with the Soviets before them, they've been economically and politically ruined by their little escapade in Afghanistan.

The U.S will be withdrawing very soon, and handing the country back to the same people they took it from, ie. the rightful government, the Taliban.

The consortium of warlords that the U.S have currently installed will then slinker back into their little corner in the remote northern region, where they can practice their despicable inhuman acts upon one another.

Other than who gets to sit at the table with the occupying forces while they figure out what to do with the country, is there anything significant that distinguishes a great Muslim military victory from a loss?

Is your great victory more of an imagined one about what might happen in the future rather than something that has actually happened?

The Taliban are not sitting at any table with the invading scum.

Please fd, do yourself a favour and actually read some news, save yourself the embarrassment.

I see. You got me there.

So the difference between a great Islamic victory and a defeat is not who gets to sit at the table with the occupying forces while they figure out what to do with the country, but rather who gets invited to sit at the table with the occupying forces while they figure out what to do with the country?

Any other subtle differences I may have overlooked? I appreciate you helping me learn to identify a glorious Islamic victory where the invading forces try to spin it to look like they won.

freediver wrote on Feb 29^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

I see. You got me there. So the difference between a great Islamic victory and a defeat is not who gets to sit at the table with the occupying forces while they figure out what to do with the country, but rather who gets invited to sit at the table with the occupying forces while they figure out what to do with the country? Any other subtle differences I may have overlooked? I appreciate you helping me learn to identify a glorious Islamic victory where the invading forces try to spin it to look like they won.

A conversation with Freediver makes about as much sense as this picture:

http://brisray.com/optill/ascendd.jpg

falah wrote on Feb 29^th, 2012 at 4:26pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 29th, 2012 at 8:35am: I see. You got me there. So the difference between a great Islamic victory and a defeat is not who gets to sit at the table with the occupying forces while they figure out what to do with the country, but rather who gets invited to sit at the table with the occupying forces while they figure out what to do with the country? Any other subtle differences I may have overlooked? I appreciate you helping me learn to identify a glorious Islamic victory where the invading forces try to spin it to look like they won. A conversation with Freediver makes about as much sense as this picture: http://brisray.com/optill/ascendd.jpg

Talking with Muslims about anything relating to Islam makes every converstation look like this.

Abu is it incomprehensible to you that someone might have trouble seeing the great Islamic victories in Iraq and Afghanistan?

fd.. The aim of the U.S was to remove the Taliban and "limit the ability of al-Qaedah to operate". None of these have been achieved, in fact quite the opposite.

The Taliban are more popular in Afghanistan than ever, and are in the process of booting the U.S out, al-Qaedah still operate as they did before and have spawned "inspired cells" all over the world, in fact the U.S only seems to have given them publicity. The "Battle for the hearts and minds" has been an absolute disaster. The Muslim world, once in awe of America now despises her, and most allies even lost confidence in her.

The U.S instead of having an economic resurgence from the war has ended up having a downturn, which has spread to the entire Western world (except the Rudd-led country of Australia).

Perhaps that's a "victory" for the U.S in your mind?

The Taliban had little to lose, so the very fact they've managed to hang on is a great victory. The fact they could hold their own against the sole world superpower is nothing short of miraculous.

So hanging on is the great victory? Couldn't they have achieved the same thing by going home and waiting for the Americans to leave?

Also, AQ got plenty of publicity with 9/11 and also demonstrated their ability to project power. Since then it all seems downhill. Their operations have only gotten smaller and the Taliban cannot even fight off fellow Afghans. Isn't it true that their ability to control Afghanistan is far less and they will soon be in a position of fighting their own countrymen in a desperate attempt to regain the country, without the Americans even being present?

Would it be fair to say that all they have really achieved is forcing the Americans to stay in Afghanistan for far longer than either the Afghans or the Americans want?

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 29^th, 2012 at 8:57pm:

fd.. The aim of the U.S was to remove the Taliban and "limit the ability of al-Qaedah to operate". None of these have been achieved, in fact quite the opposite. The Taliban are more popular in Afghanistan than ever, and are in the process of booting the U.S out, al-Qaedah still operate as they did before and have spawned "inspired cells" all over the world, in fact the U.S only seems to have given them publicity. The "Battle for the hearts and minds" has been an absolute disaster. The Muslim world, once in awe of America now despises her, and most allies even lost confidence in her. The U.S instead of having an economic resurgence from the war has ended up having a downturn, which has spread to the entire Western world (except the Rudd-led country of Australia). Perhaps that's a "victory" for the U.S in your mind? The Taliban had little to lose, so the very fact they've managed to hang on is a great victory. The fact they could hold their own against the sole world superpower is nothing short of miraculous.

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have absolutely nothing to do with the current economic problems around the world. The cost of these wars is small beer compared to lending to people who can't repay their loans, be their Americans, Greeks, Italians or Irish.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 29^th, 2012 at 8:57pm:

The Taliban had little to lose, so the very fact they've managed to hang on is a great victory. The fact they could hold their own against the sole world superpower is nothing short of miraculous.

The only reason they are hanging in there is that the Americans went in for 'nation building' rather than eradication. It would take about 4 weeks to financially and militarily strangle Afghanistan, if the Americans put their minds to it.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 29^th, 2012 at 6:04am:

The Taliban are not sitting at any table with the invading scum.

Are the Taliban sitting at the table with the puppet governent that was installed by
the USA?


Quote:

The Afghan government has done a deal with the Taliban by which the insurgents will end attacks on state schools in return for a more conservative religious curriculum and the hiring of taliban approved mullahs as teachers. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/13/afghanistan-taliban

The Taliban are guilty of war crimes by attacking schools.

Do you think the Afghan schools are a soft target for the Taliban Abu or does it take great bravery and courage to attack a school full of teachers and students?

falah wrote on Feb 27^th, 2012 at 11:37pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 10:24pm: 20 dead Americans? That is a great Islamic military victory? We get more Australians dying on the road every Christmas. More Muslims die each month from coconuts falling on their head. 20? That is not what this website says: http://www.icasualties.org/OEF/index.aspx 2905 US-led soldiers killed in Afghanistan...

Falah can you please insert links so people can click on them without typing them in.

1906 Americans killed in Afghanistan in over a decade.
The Americans probably lost more lives in 1 day on the beach at Normandy compared to 10 years in Afghanistan.
The death toll from 1 day at Pearl Harbour is probably higher than what the Americans have lost in over a decade in Afghanistan.
http://icasualties.org/oef/


The Taliban kill far more Afghans than coalition troops
2009- 1533  civilian deaths caused by the Taliban
2010- 2038 civilian deaths caused by the Taliban
2011 - 2332 civilian deaths caused by the Taliban
2009- 2011   The Taliban caused 5903 civilian deaths in this time period

In 10 years the Taliban killed 1906 American troops
From 2009- 2011 the Taliban slaughtered 5903 Afghan civilians.

The numbers show the Taliban is far more efficient in killing Afghans than coalition troops.

Source- http://unama.unmissions.org/Portals/UNAMA/Documents/UNAMA%20POC%202011%20Report_Final_Feb%202012.pdf



Quote:

From 1 January to 30th June 2010 UNAMA Human rights documented 3,268 civilian casualties including 1,271 deaths of which Anti government forces (Taliban) were responsible for 76% of all casualties. IED and suicide attacks killed 557 Afghans and injured 1,137 in the first 6 months of 2010.IED alone accounts for 29% of all civilian deaths in the period including 74 children. Source-http://unama.unmissions.org/Default.aspx?tabid=1741&ctl=Details&mid=1882&ItemID=9955

The UN say the Taliban are guilty of war crimes.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:56am:

Quote: The Afghan government has done a deal with the Taliban by which the insurgents will end attacks on state schools in return for a more conservative religious curriculum and the hiring of taliban approved mullahs as teachers. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/13/afghanistan-taliban The Taliban are guilty of war crimes by attacking schools. Do you think the Afghan schools are a soft target for the Taliban Abu or does it take great bravery and courage to attack a school full of teachers and students?

Yes, it does it take great bravery and courage, for moslems to attack a school full of teachers and students.

Clearly.

Otherwise [being ISLAMIC warriors], they would not attack schools, and murder teachers and children.
/sarc off



ISLAMIC warriors in Afghanistan also bravely use IED's to attack infidels soldiers.

....coz ISLAMIC warriors know that Allah is on their side, ........and they have no use for the 72 virgins just yet.
/sarc off







"In 2006 and 2007, 230 people died from attacks on schools"


Google;
Afghan schools attack, children killed


"Allah Akbar! We proudly kill the infidels the children !!!!!! [.....coz, we are Allah's warriors.]"

Quote:

In 2006 and 2007 ,230 people died from attacks on schools. The MoE reported that terrorist and insurgent attacks killed 149 teachers,other school employees and students during 2008.

The Taliban are guilty of war crimes for attacking schools.

A report outlining attacks by the Taliban on schools-
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/4b7aa9e6c.html

Surely these were stray missiles targetted at the pentagon or US army bases as part of the Muslims' great victory and not a direct attack on schoolkids. Right Abu?

Also Abu, can you tell us whether girls attending school in Afghanistan is a victory for the west or the Taliban?

Please show a single case of an attack by the Taliban on a school.

P.S, not propaganda, a properly documented case of an attack, for which the Taliban took responsibility.

P.P.S fd, again, where has the edit button gone? In fact where have all control buttons gone from this forum (other than quote)?

When they disappear there will be an 'update session' button up the top. Use that to fix it.

Can you tell us whether girls attending school in Afghanistan is a victory for the west or the Taliban?

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:01am:

Please show a single case of an attack by the Taliban on a school. P.S, not propaganda, a properly documented case of an attack, for which the Taliban took responsibility.

Google;
attack on school, Taliban claim responsibility


Google;
attack by the Taliban, on school


Yields.....

e.g.
Taliban claim responsibility for school bus attack - World news ...
www.msnbc.msn.com/.../taliban-claim-responsibility-sch... - United States
13 Sep 2011 – Gunmen opened fire on a school bus in the Pakistani city of Peshawar on Tuesday, killing four children and the driver, a police official said.

Kabul 'agreed deal with Taliban' to end attacks on schools, report ...
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/13/afghanistan-taliban
13 Dec 2011 – Rights groups fear that Afghan education ministry's deal with insurgents could reverse gains of the past 10 years.

Taliban kill head of Afghan girls' school | World news | The Guardian
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/.../taliban-kill-head-girls-scho...
25 May 2011 – Taliban gunmen have killed the headteacher of a girls' school near the ... The Taliban have not made any public comment on such attacks.



Abu,

Moslems murdering moslems.

How do moslems justify such carnage ?

Is it because the victims are not considered to be moslems ?

So that killing moslems, but calling them 'infidels', is OK ?

Even when the victims of this ISLAMIC violence, are moslem children, and their teachers ???





Allah's law IS VERY CLEAR.

Moslems, must never knowingly kill another 'believer'.

"......If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him."
Koran 4.92-93



Abu ???


The Taliban are, "not REAL moslems"   ???

The Taliban wanted schools for girls. They just inherited the poorest country in the World from the Soviets and Western-backed warlords.

The Taliban are not anti-education, but lacked funds to build girls schools and employ teachers.

So they sprayed acid in the face of girls who tried to attend school in order to reduce the education budget?

falah wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 7:34pm:

The Taliban wanted schools for girls. They just inherited the poorest country in the World from the Soviets and Western-backed warlords. The Taliban are not anti-education, but lacked funds to build girls schools and employ teachers.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


You are stupider than I thought.

And that's saying something!!!!

freediver wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 8:36am:

When they disappear there will be an 'update session' button up the top. Use that to fix it.

Thanks.


freediver wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 8:36am:

Can you tell us whether girls attending school in Afghanistan is a victory for the west or the Taliban?

Neither. Islam promotes education for all. If there were elements of the Taliban who opposed this before, then they did so against the rulings of Islam. Everything they seem to be saying now suggests they are not against it. And even before when they were in power, they did permit women to goto school and to work, just not as widely as males. The West lied black and blue about this, yet some Western aid workers who visited Afghanistan during the Taliban's rule, confirmed that girls schools did exist.

This is really a non-issue. The Western propaganda machine just harps on about this to distract people from the real issues. Just like the nonsense about kite flying.

Yadda wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:59am:

Google; attack on school, Taliban claim responsibility Google; attack by the Taliban, on school Yields..... e.g. Taliban claim responsibility for school bus attack - World news ... www.msnbc.msn.com/.../taliban-claim-responsibility-sch... - United States 13 Sep 2011 – Gunmen opened fire on a school bus in the Pakistani city of Peshawar on Tuesday, killing four children and the driver, a police official said. Kabul 'agreed deal with Taliban' to end attacks on schools, report ... www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/13/afghanistan-taliban 13 Dec 2011 – Rights groups fear that Afghan education ministry's deal with insurgents could reverse gains of the past 10 years. Taliban kill head of Afghan girls' school | World news | The Guardian www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/.../taliban-kill-head-girls-scho... 25 May 2011 – Taliban gunmen have killed the headteacher of a girls' school near the ... The Taliban have not made any public comment on such attacks.

Actually I was looking for a claim of responsibility _from_ the Taliban, not from Western propaganda outlets.

Yes we all know the Western propaganda outlets claim all manner of atrocities in the name of the West's enemies, but given their track record of outright lying, I don't think it's worth the electrons it's printed on.

falah wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 7:34pm:

The Taliban wanted schools for girls. They just inherited the poorest country in the World from the Soviets and Western-backed warlords. The Taliban are  anti-education, but lacked funds to build girls schools and employ teachers.

Do you think people will believe your pathetic attempts to rewrite history?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id2XoHZIleE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1Jq-8RFhgw

Quote:

Neither. Islam promotes education for all. If there were elements of the Taliban who opposed this before, then they did so against the rulings of Islam. Everything they seem to be saying now suggests they are not against it.

Obviously. Otherwise they would be in a situation where invading American forces are the ones restoring Islamic standards. Then even more local Muslims would prefer the American invaders to the Taliban.


Quote:

And even before when they were in power, they did permit women to goto school and to work, just not as widely as males.

How widely?


Quote:

The West lied black and blue about this, yet some Western aid workers who visited Afghanistan during the Taliban's rule, confirmed that girls schools did exist.

Are they still segregated? Can you elaborate on what counts as a "girl's school"?


Quote:

This is really a non-issue.

I think it is important. Why do you think education is so unimportant? Or is it only female education that is unimportant? The Taliban has done immense harm to a genration of Afghans by denying a basic education to so many of them. Why would they seek to make the place even more backwards and ignorant?

Also, you still have not explained why it is not a victory for the west. In my opinion it is something really good that has come out of the war on terror.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 8:51am:

falah wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 7:34pm: The Taliban wanted schools for girls. They just inherited the poorest country in the World from the Soviets and Western-backed warlords. The Taliban are  anti-education, but lacked funds to build girls schools and employ teachers. Do you think people will believe your pathetic attempts to rewrite history? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id2XoHZIleE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1Jq-8RFhgw

Videos from the 1950's & 1960's - but no videos of the Soviet invasion of the 1970's & 1980's or the civil war in the 1990's that destroyed the country before the Taliban came to power.

Look, even Rambo found the Soviet invasion a bit rough:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5298/5454263025_48245dd7e3.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At7K1e2NbiE

Afghan Capital, Kabul, Early '90s Before Taliban:

http://www.afghan-network.net/Photography/kabul/kabul-widow2.gif

http://img.izismile.com/img/img3/20100901/640/comparing_afghanistan_2010_640_09.jpg

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/24111410.jpg

So as we can see from the above, the Taliban were not left with much to work with.

falah wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 12:09pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 8:51am: falah wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 7:34pm: The Taliban wanted schools for girls. They just inherited the poorest country in the World from the Soviets and Western-backed warlords. The Taliban are  anti-education, but lacked funds to build girls schools and employ teachers. Do you think people will believe your pathetic attempts to rewrite history? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id2XoHZIleE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1Jq-8RFhgw Videos from the 1950's & 1960's - but no videos of the Soviet invasion of the 1970's & 1980's or the civil war in the 1990's that destroyed the country before the Taliban came to power. Look, even Rambo found the Soviet invasion a bit rough: http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5298/5454263025_48245dd7e3.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At7K1e2NbiE Afghan Capital, Kabul, Early '90s Before Taliban: http://www.afghan-network.net/Photography/kabul/kabul-widow2.gif http://img.izismile.com/img/img3/20100901/640/comparing_afghanistan_2010_640_09.jpg http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/24111410.jpg So as we can see from the above, the Taliban were not left with much to work with.

Great way to rewrite history Falah- do you think anyone will believe you.

The Rambo movies were hollywood fiction are you trying to use that movie as evidence? LMAO. ;D

The Peoples Democratic party of Afghanistan-(Pre soviet invasion)
October 1978 -Decree was issued
Compulsory education for girls,Bride price abolished,Minimum legal age for marriage
was set at 16

1979-1989 Afghan soviet war.

1989-1992 Dr Najibullah's regime
The Mujahideen were waging war against Najibullahs communist government during these years.

1992-1996
Mujahideen government and civil war

1996-2001 Taliban rule
In september 1996,The Taliban took over Afghanistan's capital and immediately imposed restrictions on Afghan women.
They were forbidden to work.leave the house without a male escort,not allowed to seek medical help from a male doctor,and forced to cover themselves from head to toe even covering the eyes.
Women who were doctors and teachers were forced to be beggars and even prostitutes in order to feed their families.
During the rule of the Taliban,women were treated worse than in any other time or by any other society

Late 2001
USA Invasion.

Source-http://www.afghan-web.com/woman/afghanwomenhistory.html

Quote:

1996-2001 Taliban rule In september 1996,The Taliban took over Afghanistan's capital and immediately imposed restrictions on Afghan women. They were forbidden to work.leave the house without a male escort,not allowed to seek medical help from a male doctor,and forced to cover themselves from head to toe even covering the eyes. Women who were doctors and teachers were forced to be beggars and even prostitutes in order to feed their families. During the rule of the Taliban,women were treated worse than in any other time or by any other society

Yes it was a glorious time. According to many Muslims, the Taliban rule was the only time in recent history that there was proper Islamic rule on earth.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 5:43pm:

1996-2001 Taliban rule In september 1996,The Taliban took over Afghanistan's capital and immediately imposed restrictions on Afghan women.

Restrictions aimed at making women safe from the attacks and abductions that had been widespread under the rule of Western-backed warlords.


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 5:43pm:

They were forbidden to work.

Untrue, the Taliban themselves employed women in areas such as healthcare, police work, and customs/immigration work. The Taliban were reportedly considering lifting some of the restrictions on working in other areas before the US invasion.


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 5:43pm:

not allowed to seek medical help from a male doctor

The Taliban had a policy that women should seek out female doctors and nurses first, and if they were not available, then a male doctor could be seen.


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 5:43pm:

forced to cover themselves from head to toe even covering the eyes.

In the urban areas, due to the rape and abduction of women by Western-backed warlords. By 2001, as safety had improved, the Taliban were beginning to relax the rules on clothing.


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 5:43pm:

Women who were doctors and teachers were forced to be beggars and even prostitutes in order to feed their families.

You can't get your lies straight. Women were not allowed out without a male guardian, or they were out prostituting and begging? Make up your mind.


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 5:43pm:

During the rule of the Taliban,women were treated worse than in any other time or by any other society

What a load of crap. The Taliban provided security and safety.

Before the Taliban arrived, Afghani women were being killed, raped and abducted by US-sponsored warlords.

We have seen similar situations in Europe, like when the Soviets occupied Germany and raped 2 million women.

I suppose you think that Jewish women were treated well by European Christians in the 1940's. The Nazi sex factories, and death camps were a stroll in the park.

The Christian Serbs and their rape camps.

The Taliban provided safety and security and were attempting to improve the difficult circumstances that the Afghan were in.

Female British Journalist Tells How Kind Treatment From Taliban Led To Her Becoming A Muslim

Even though she was caught entering Afghanistan without a visa, and spat at Taliban, they treated her kindly.

Part 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6NRDKCH-z0


Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDytiv5L250

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AaBLJT48A4

Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlF9nEa2JBs

Part 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY7oiy0Y9hk

Part 6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d-6Cd4aOtA

Part 7:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h5oKb7kdSA

Part 8:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyJPq8i03xE

Part 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxTJDScPu_E

Quote:

The Taliban provided safety and security and were attempting to improve the difficult circumstances that the Afghan were in.

Does spraying acid in face of girls who attend school improve safety?

Why not leave it up to the women to decide for themselves what safety precautions are necessary? If it was the western backed warlords who were raping these women, why did they need to be 'protected' when the Taliban came into power?

Are these all lies?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_treatment_of_women

Women seeking an education were forced to attend underground schools, where they and their teachers risked execution if caught.[4][5] They were not allowed to be treated by male doctors unless accompanied by a male chaperone, which led to illnesses remaining untreated. They faced public flogging and execution for violations of the Taliban's laws.[6][7] The Taliban allowed and in some cases encouraged marriage for girls under the age of 16. Amnesty International reported that 80 percent of Afghan marriages were considered to be arranged by force.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/25/taliban-kill-head-girls-school

Taliban kill head of Afghan girls' school

Government officials say teacher had ignored death threats from hardline Islamists warning him not to teach girls

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/16/us-pakistan-taliban-schools-idUSTRE7AF0GP20111116

Pakistani girls defy Taliban school bombings

(Reuters) - Seven-year-old Marwa cried and shook uncontrollably at the sight of the rubble and shattered glass remnants of her classroom. The Taliban had bombed yet another girls' school in Pakistan.

http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/17/pakistani-taliban-force-girls-schools-to-close/

Pakistani Taliban force girls’ schools to close

Taliban militants have banned female education in the northwest Pakistan valley of Swat, depriving more than 40,000 girls of schooling. Last month, the Taliban warned parents against sending their daughters to school, saying female education was “unIslamic”.

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 8:33am:

Does spraying acid in face of girls who attend school improve safety?

Ummm.... first you'd need to show the Taliban did that.


freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 8:33am:

Why not leave it up to the women to decide for themselves what safety precautions are necessary? If it was the western backed warlords who were raping these women, why did they need to be 'protected' when the Taliban came into power?

Because the West continued funding these beasts right up until they finally brought them back to power.

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 8:45am:

Are these all lies? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_treatment_of_women Women seeking an education were forced to attend underground schools, where they and their teachers risked execution if caught.[4][5] They were not allowed to be treated by male doctors unless accompanied by a male chaperone, which led to illnesses remaining untreated. They faced public flogging and execution for violations of the Taliban's laws.[6][7] The Taliban allowed and in some cases encouraged marriage for girls under the age of 16. Amnesty International reported that 80 percent of Afghan marriages were considered to be arranged by force. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/25/taliban-kill-head-girls-school Taliban kill head of Afghan girls' school Government officials say teacher had ignored death threats from hardline Islamists warning him not to teach girls http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/16/us-pakistan-taliban-schools-idUSTRE7AF0GP20111116 Pakistani girls defy Taliban school bombings (Reuters) - Seven-year-old Marwa cried and shook uncontrollably at the sight of the rubble and shattered glass remnants of her classroom. The Taliban had bombed yet another girls' school in Pakistan. http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/17/pakistani-taliban-force-girls-schools-to-close/ Pakistani Taliban force girls’ schools to close Taliban militants have banned female education in the northwest Pakistan valley of Swat, depriving more than 40,000 girls of schooling. Last month, the Taliban warned parents against sending their daughters to school, saying female education was “unIslamic”.

Clearly, these accounts don't come directly from Taliban spokesmen.

Therefore it is certain that these accounts are just slanderous lies against ISLAM/Taliban.
/sarc off




ISLAM is so en-mired in its own deceit and its own projected falsehood, that it is impossible to seek clarity and truth, from any ISLAMIC source.




Unfortunately for their own credibility, moslems are well known to be inveterate liars.

Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Google;
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 9:00am:

freediver wrote on Mar 4th, 2012 at 8:33am: Does spraying acid in face of girls who attend school improve safety? Ummm.... first you'd need to show the Taliban did that. freediver wrote on Mar 4th, 2012 at 8:33am: Why not leave it up to the women to decide for themselves what safety precautions are necessary? If it was the western backed warlords who were raping these women, why did they need to be 'protected' when the Taliban came into power? Because the West continued funding these beasts right up until they finally brought them back to power.

So it's the west's fault that the taliban were one of the most oppressive regimes on earth for women? It must be convenient for them to not be accountable for their own actions.