A controversial Oxford University professor billed by many as the world's "most famous atheist" now says he is not 100 percent sure that God doesn't exist...

...In a 100-minute debate with Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, Richard Dawkins surprised his online and theater audiences by conceding a personal chink of doubt about his conviction that there is no such thing as a creator.

But, to the amusement of the archbishop and others, the evolutionary biologist swiftly added that he was "6.9 out of seven" certain of his long-standing atheist beliefs.

Replying to moderator Anthony Kenny, a noted English philosopher, Dawkins said, "I think the probability of a supernatural creator existing (is) very, very low."

Dawkins, author of "The God Delusion" and other best-sellers, is a leader of the "New Atheist" movement that aggressively challenges belief in God and criticizes harm done in the name of religion...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/24/richard-dawkins-famous-atheist-god_n_1299752.html

so?

falah wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 8:41am:

A controversial Oxford University professor billed by many as the world's "most famous atheist" now says he is not 100 percent sure that God doesn't exist... ...In a 100-minute debate with Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, Richard Dawkins surprised his online and theater audiences by conceding a personal chink of doubt about his conviction that there is no such thing as a creator. But, to the amusement of the archbishop and others, the evolutionary biologist swiftly added that he was "6.9 out of seven" certain of his long-standing atheist beliefs. Replying to moderator Anthony Kenny, a noted English philosopher, Dawkins said, "I think the probability of a supernatural creator existing (is) very, very low." Dawkins, author of "The God Delusion" and other best-sellers, is a leader of the "New Atheist" movement that aggressively challenges belief in God and criticizes harm done in the name of religion... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/24/richard-dawkins-famous-atheist-god_n_1299752.html

Dawkins concedes he is a scientist. No surprises there  Dawkins has always conceded he is a scientist and therefore uncertain in principle. Dawkins has rated himself a 6.9 / 7 atheist for many many years.

So he is agnostic?
ETA: As Grey said, this basically makes him a scientist haha.


Just because he knows the idea of a creator is plausible, doesn’t make it in any way logical to believe in a specific god.

falah wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 8:41am:

A controversial Oxford University professor billed by many as the world's "most famous atheist" now says he is not 100 percent sure that God doesn't exist... ...In a 100-minute debate with Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, Richard Dawkins surprised his online and theater audiences by conceding a personal chink of doubt about his conviction that there is no such thing as a creator. But, to the amusement of the archbishop and others, the evolutionary biologist swiftly added that he was "6.9 out of seven" certain of his long-standing atheist beliefs. Replying to moderator Anthony Kenny, a noted English philosopher, Dawkins said, "I think the probability of a supernatural creator existing (is) very, very low." Dawkins, author of "The God Delusion" and other best-sellers, is a leader of the "New Atheist" movement that aggressively challenges belief in God and criticizes harm done in the name of religion... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/24/richard-dawkins-famous-atheist-god_n_1299752.html

You can't be a 100% certain that ALlah exists, so what's the extremis that you imagine you are exposing?

Soren wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 10:26am:

what's the extremis that you imagine you are exposing?

Exposed is the hypocrisy of this zealot who advocates something that he is not certain of.

my god you are thick

falah wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 2:24pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 25th, 2012 at 10:26am: what's the extremis that you imagine you are exposing? Exposed is the hypocrisy of this zealot who advocates something that he is not certain of.

Ridiculous statement.

http://i.imgur.com/UEzkd.jpg

darkhall67 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 3:38pm:

http://i.imgur.com/UEzkd.jpg

Agnostic is a belief system.
It means you neither believe that there is a god or isn’t, but want to wait for evidence before making a decision to the origins of life.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 4:53pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Feb 25th, 2012 at 3:38pm: http://i.imgur.com/UEzkd.jpg Agnostic is a belief system. It means you neither believe that there is a god or isn’t, but want to wait for evidence before making a decision to the origins of life.

So you are saying that NOT believing something is a belief system?

darkhall67 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 4:57pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 25th, 2012 at 4:53pm: darkhall67 wrote on Feb 25th, 2012 at 3:38pm: http://i.imgur.com/UEzkd.jpg Agnostic is a belief system. It means you neither believe that there is a god or isn’t, but want to wait for evidence before making a decision to the origins of life. So you are saying that NOT believing something is a belief system?

The belief system is not in the not believing in god.

The fact is that Dawkins encourages people to believe that there is no God, but meanwhile admits that he is not certain that there is no God.

Hypocrite!

Not believing in something is not a belief. It's an absence of belief.

Not having a drug addiction is not a form of drug addiction. It's an absence of drug addiction.

Not driving is not a form of driving.....

etc etc etc etc

falah wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 6:38pm:

The fact is that Dawkins encourages people to believe that there is no God, but meanwhile admits that he is not certain that there is no God. Hypocrite!

You encourage your kids to cross the road when the lights are green, yet you cannot be certain that they will never be hit by a car, ever, when doing so.

What the bugger is wrong with you? Are you a moron as a basic attitude towards existence or is this some sort of Muslim moron compulsion to argue about EVERYTHING with non-Muslims? Fair smacking dinkum!

You guys are brilliant at running down Islam: you are thick and belligerent for Allah and Mohammed.

Carry on.

Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 6:55pm:

Not believing in something is not a belief. It's an absence of belief. Not having a drug addiction is not a form of drug addiction. It's an absence of drug addiction. Not driving is not a form of driving..... etc etc etc etc

Rubbish!

Utter rubbish.






Think about it....

"Not believing in something, is an absence of belief certainty."




NOT believing in something IS a belief, within your psyche.


e.g.

An atheist is NOT saying;

"I know there is no God."





An atheist >>  IS  << saying;

"I believe that, there is no God."





helians sig;



Quote:

Conviction is the art of being certain

God is real, he exists.

I've 'met' a 'manifestation' of him.

Twice.

The second time was absolutely awesome.



But then, those meetings were only experienced in my 'psyche', and not in my body.          :D           ;D

F-ck off you utter headcase.

Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 8:57pm:

F-ck off you utter headcase.

life_goes_on,

Yes, that comment is very 'cerebral' of you.
/sarc off

Yadda wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 9:05pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 25th, 2012 at 8:57pm: F-ck off you utter headcase. life_goes_on, Yes, that comment is very 'cerebral' of you. /sarc off

life_goes_on   Online
Gold Member
Australian Politics
Yobsville (Qld of course)



;D                     ;D                     ;D

Yadda wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 9:05pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 25th, 2012 at 8:57pm: F-ck off you utter headcase. life_goes_on, Yes, that comment is very 'cerebral' of you. /sarc off

Says the man who never had an original thought in his life.

Google 'David Koresh wannabe'.

Yadda wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 8:46pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 25th, 2012 at 6:55pm: Not believing in something is not a belief. It's an absence of belief. Not having a drug addiction is not a form of drug addiction. It's an absence of drug addiction. Not driving is not a form of driving..... etc etc etc etc Rubbish! Utter rubbish. Think about it.... "Not believing in something, is an absence of belief certainty." NOT believing in something IS a belief, within your psyche. e.g. An atheist is NOT saying; "I know there is no God." An atheist >>  IS  << saying; "I believe that, there is no God." helians sig; Quote: Conviction is the art of being certain God is real, he exists. I've 'met' a 'manifestation' of him. Twice. The second time was absolutely awesome. But then, those meetings were only experienced in my 'psyche', and not in my body.          :D           ;D

Yeah.

My second time taking ecstasy was the best too.

AWESOME.

falah wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 6:38pm:

The fact is that Dawkins encourages people to believe that there is no God, but meanwhile admits that he is not certain that there is no God. Hypocrite!

4 years of university and this is the best you got?

You should really go back and ask for a refund.

darkhall67 wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 10:05pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 25th, 2012 at 8:46pm: God is real, he exists. I've 'met' a 'manifestation' of him. Twice. The second time was absolutely awesome. But then, those meetings were only experienced in my 'psyche', and not in my body.          :D           ;D Yeah. My second time taking ecstasy was the best too. AWESOME.

LOL




IMO, people who take 'recreational' drugs are eeeeediots.




John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:


John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16  And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17  Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18  I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19  Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20  At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21  He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.


John 18:37
......Jesus answered,......To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.





Q.
Why do so few people 'know' God ???


A.
This world corrupts us.

We can resist that 'corruption', OR, we can 'go along' with it.

Most of us, choose to go along with it.




Jeremiah 9:3
And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.
4  Take ye heed every one of his neighbour, and trust ye not in any brother: for every brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbour will walk with slanders.
5  And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity.
6  Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD.




If you want to escape the corruption of this world, pursue truth.

Read the Psalms.

falah wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 2:24pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 25th, 2012 at 10:26am: what's the extremis that you imagine you are exposing? Exposed is the hypocrisy of this zealot who advocates something that he is not certain of.

Faith and belief are not the same thing, bearded son-of-Muhhamad.

Yadda wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 11:53pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Feb 25th, 2012 at 10:05pm: Yadda wrote on Feb 25th, 2012 at 8:46pm: God is real, he exists. I've 'met' a 'manifestation' of him. Twice. The second time was absolutely awesome. But then, those meetings were only experienced in my 'psyche', and not in my body.          :D           ;D Yeah. My second time taking ecstasy was the best too. AWESOME. LOL IMO, people who take 'recreational' drugs are eeeeediots.

You should never preface anything you write with "IMO".


Nothing you write is YOUR opinion.

Just quotes from an outdated , horrific book written by ignorant desert dwellers.

Regardless of what other beliefs he holds, Yadda has discovered the "divinity" within. Whether or not we call it that, we all have it. Call it the mystery or the spark of life if you will. It's something that's real but not quite describable. No, I don't think he's a nut-job for what he described, or if he is, then I'm a nutjob too.

I don't personally believe that it represents a creator god, but we all have different opinions.

The  question of whether gods exist is a matter of taste and semantics which comes fairly close to last in my priorities for living. In other words, I think I can get by pretty well without knowing for sure. Christians have a word for "not knowing for sure", which combined with something similar to inspiration is called faith.

Atheists call it agnosticism.  Most atheists are also agnostics, but as I've said many times over if somebody can call himself an atheist and still believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden, or horoscopes, then "atheist" is really not a useful term.

darkhall67 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 10:39am:

You should never preface anything you write with "IMO". Nothing you write is YOUR opinion. Just quotes from an outdated , horrific book written by ignorant desert dwellers.

Listen dark,

I have to say 'imo', often, because that proves that i am using my own discernment.

And that is the basis upon which my life, my existence, will be judged, by my God.

That is, MY God, will judge me because of how i choose, and that [how i choose] is all to do with my >> discernment <<.         ;)              :P




Hey dark,

Just forget about all this Yadda babble, and just take another E tab.

[dark takes another E tab.]




Hey dark,

Can you 'see' yet, that i am a child of God ???            :D             ;D





Hebrews 12:7
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8  But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9  Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10  For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11  Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.i

Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


"....But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, and those who drop E tabs, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone......"

;D

Well maybe.             ;)

What a kind , loving god.

darkhall67 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 10:29am:

What a kind , loving god.

Hey dark,
I know that your comment is a sarcastic 'slap down'.



What many people [like yourself] promote is lawlessness [in the guise of personal freedom].
They don't see anything wrong, with being allowed to do [mostly] whatever they want [i.e. 'personal freedom'].

e.g
Taking illicit drugs.

"That is OK. Who is it hurting, if anyone?"




Lawlessness is the cause of injustice and oppression.

And injustice, is the cause of war.


Scenario:
If somebody you loved [e.g. your sister, or your father], 'got in the way' of an illicit drug dealer [who is just doing what he 'wants' to do. i.e. make money.], the illicit drug dealer would feel 'justified' in doing whatever it takes, to remove his 'business' problem.

Right?

After all, the illicit drug dealer is just demonstrating a commitment to 'expressing' his own 'personal freedom', to 'slap down' anyone who interferes with his 'personal freedom' to make money.


The point is, that the consequence of accepting lawlessness, is that 'acceptance' of lawlessness promotes and spreads lawlessness.
And thereby, the violence and injustice which are associated with [caused by] lawlessness, are also spread.

And further, accepting lawlessness, empowers lawlessness [criminality].




Those who hate God's righteousness, love lawlessness.
i.e.
Those who love lawlessness, desire the 'personal freedom' to do >> whatever << they want.
Those who love lawlessness, only complain when the 'expression' of the 'personal freedom' [of others] reveals a means of oppression or violence against themselves [or against the people that they love].

Then they whine about someone murdering [for example] their sister, or your father [or someone else that they love].

Then, when someone that they love has been harmed, they want justice!

The problem is, that such people [those people who enable criminality], essentially, THEY ONLY WANT JUSTICE FOR THEMSELVES.

Such people don't desire justice for other people [because the cost of justice, which is judgement [of criminality], would 'interfere' with the enjoyment of their own 'personal freedoms'].

So, such people desire an 'environment' of justice FOR THEMSELVES, AND, at the same time, they desire the freedom to do as they themselves please [i.e. the right for themselves to enjoy, lawlessness].



Jesus said;

Matthew 6:33
.....seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness;....



Where justice reigns, 'tis freedom to obey.
James Montgomery


Truth spoken, exposes lawlessness, and criminality.

Truth spoken, in judgement, destroys lawlessness.

Lawlessness having being destroyed, enables an environment where justice is king.

When justice is king, peace reigns.




+++


But hey dark,

Just keep hating God, and his righteousness [and his laws], and his judgement.


Just keep hating him, coz his laws impede the enjoyment of your 'personal freedoms'.
i.e.
You refuse to acknowledge, that your own desire for pleasurable experiences, e.g. by dropping E's, is empowering criminal violence, by making criminals rich, and powerful.

And is a cause of lawlessness.   ......and injustice.






2 Timothy 3:1
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;






God, is about righteousness, and peace.

Peace and joy, is what God is promising to his 'children'.



Psalms 97:10
Ye that love the LORD, hate evil:...


Psalms 106:3
Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.


Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.

Proverbs 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.


Proverbs 28:4
They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
5  Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.


God in the Bible says that men can do whatever they like, so long as men understand that they will be judged for the consequences of their choices.

Dropping E's, and taking other illicit drugs, empowers violence, crime, and criminals.

Crime and oppression, is what God hates.





Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

falah wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 8:41am:

A controversial Oxford University professor billed by many as the world's "most famous atheist" now says he is not 100 percent sure that God doesn't exist... ...In a 100-minute debate with Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, Richard Dawkins surprised his online and theater audiences by conceding a personal chink of doubt about his conviction that there is no such thing as a creator. But, to the amusement of the archbishop and others, the evolutionary biologist swiftly added that he was "6.9 out of seven" certain of his long-standing atheist beliefs. Replying to moderator Anthony Kenny, a noted English philosopher, Dawkins said, "I think the probability of a supernatural creator existing (is) very, very low." Dawkins, author of "The God Delusion" and other best-sellers, is a leader of the "New Atheist" movement that aggressively challenges belief in God and criticizes harm done in the name of religion... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/24/richard-dawkins-famous-atheist-god_n_1299752.html

Atheists will never say God does not exist because the burden of proof will be put on the atheist to prove god does not exist if he makes a claim like that.

Atheists say they dont believe in God because the religious types promoting god have failed to provide any credible evidence for god.

Faith is not evidence, there are many that have faith that Elvis is still alive and they are also strong in their belief despite having no evidence that Elvis is alive.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/926/30765074.jpg

Yadda wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 10:09am:

darkhall67 wrote on Feb 28th, 2012 at 10:29am: What a kind , loving god. Hey dark, I know that your comment is a sarcastic 'slap down'. What many people [like yourself] promote is lawlessness [in the guise of personal freedom]. They don't see anything wrong, with being allowed to do [mostly] whatever they want [i.e. 'personal freedom']. e.g Taking illicit drugs. "That is OK. Who is it hurting, if anyone?" +++ But hey dark, Just keep hating God, and his righteousness [and his laws], and his judgement. Just keep hating him, coz his laws impede the enjoyment of your 'personal freedoms'. i.e. You refuse to acknowledge, that your own desire for pleasurable experiences, e.g. by dropping E's, is empowering criminal violence, by making criminals rich, and powerful. And is a cause of lawlessness.   ......and injustice. 2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; God, is about righteousness, and peace. Peace and joy, is what God is promising to his 'children'. Psalms 97:10 Ye that love the LORD, hate evil:... Psalms 106:3 Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times. Proverbs 15:9 The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness. Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD. Proverbs 28:4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them. 5  Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things. God in the Bible says that men can do whatever they like, so long as men understand that they will be judged for the consequences of their choices. Dropping E's, and taking other illicit drugs, empowers violence, crime, and criminals. Crime and oppression, is what God hates. Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction. Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Thanks for your permission to hate the evil , genocidal , racist , misogynist , lying , manipulative, blood thirsty , brutal , fanatical evil scumbag that is your god of the old testament yadda.


My morals prevent me from worshipping such creatures, even if they weren't figments of your imagination.

darkhall67 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 2:33pm:

Thanks for your permission to hate the evil , genocidal , racist , misogynist , lying , manipulative, blood thirsty , brutal , fanatical evil scumbag that is your god of the old testament yadda. My morals prevent me from worshipping such creatures, even if they weren't figments of your imagination.

dark,

I am glad to hear, that you are [or at least, that you consider yourself to be] a moral person.

So, as a self-professed moral person, you will, or intend to, refrain from putting money into the pockets of criminals, by buying illicit psychotropic drugs ?

They [psychotropic drugs] are not good for you [for your psyche], anyway.

I believe, that they [psychotropic drugs] just screw with peoples 'heads'.



Dictionary;
morality = =
1 principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour. a system of values and moral principles.
2 the extent to which an action is right or wrong.


Dictionary;
psyche = = the human soul, mind, or spirit.

Yadda wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:03pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 2:33pm: Thanks for your permission to hate the evil , genocidal , racist , misogynist , lying , manipulative, blood thirsty , brutal , fanatical evil scumbag that is your god of the old testament yadda. My morals prevent me from worshipping such creatures, even if they weren't figments of your imagination. dark, I am glad to hear, that you are [or at least, that you consider yourself to be] a moral person. So, as a self-professed moral person, you will, or intend to, refrain from putting money into the pockets of criminals, by buying illicit psychotropic drugs ? They [psychotropic drugs] are not good for you [for your psyche], anyway. I believe, that they [psychotropic drugs] just screw with peoples 'heads'.

No one has the right to tell me what to put into my body.

No one has the right to limit my life experiences.


EVERYONE should try LSD at least once in their lives.

That goes for ecstasy too.

One has to do a lot of mental gymnastic to become an atheist:

http://www.theblackconservative.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/atheism.jpg

Believing in the Creator is natural:

Infants 'have natural belief in God'

INFANTS are hard-wired to believe in God, and atheism has to be learned, according to an Oxford University psychologist.

Dr Olivera Petrovich told a University of Western Sydney conference on the psychology of religion that even preschool children constructed theological concepts as part of their understanding of the physical world.

Pyschologists have debated whether belief in God or atheism was the natural human state. According to Dr Petrovich, an expert in psychology of religion, belief in God is not taught but develops naturally.

She told The Age yesterday that belief in God emerged as a result of other psychological development connected with understanding causation.

It was hard-wired into the human psyche, but it was important not to build too much into the concept of God. "It's the concept of God as creator, primarily," she said. Dr Petrovich said her findings were based on several studies, particularly one of Japanese children aged four to six, and another of 400 British children aged five to seven from seven different faiths.

"Atheism is definitely an acquired position," she said.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/infants-have-natural-belief-in-god-20080725-3l3b.html


http://www.reflectionsofaparalytic.com/images/unborn-atheists.png

falah wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:00pm:

One has to do a lot of mental gymnastic to become an atheist: http://www.theblackconservative.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/atheism.jpg Believing in the Creator is natural: Infants 'have natural belief in God' INFANTS are hard-wired to believe in God, and atheism has to be learned, according to an Oxford University psychologist. Dr Olivera Petrovich told a University of Western Sydney conference on the psychology of religion that even preschool children constructed theological concepts as part of their understanding of the physical world. Pyschologists have debated whether belief in God or atheism was the natural human state. According to Dr Petrovich, an expert in psychology of religion, belief in God is not taught but develops naturally. She told The Age yesterday that belief in God emerged as a result of other psychological development connected with understanding causation. It was hard-wired into the human psyche, but it was important not to build too much into the concept of God. "It's the concept of God as creator, primarily," she said. Dr Petrovich said her findings were based on several studies, particularly one of Japanese children aged four to six, and another of 400 British children aged five to seven from seven different faiths. "Atheism is definitely an acquired position," she said. http://www.theage.com.au/national/infants-have-natural-belief-in-god-20080725-3l3b.html http://www.reflectionsofaparalytic.com/images/unborn-atheists.png

Goodness me.

Science has to be learned.

Superstition has to be unlearned.

Stop the presses.

This is mindblowing stuff.



We should be basing all our beliefs on what babies think.



Certainly explains a lot about some of the posters on this site.

darkhall67 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 5:27pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:03pm: darkhall67 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 2:33pm: Thanks for your permission to hate the evil , genocidal , racist , misogynist , lying , manipulative, blood thirsty , brutal , fanatical evil scumbag that is your god of the old testament yadda. My morals prevent me from worshipping such creatures, even if they weren't figments of your imagination. dark, I am glad to hear, that you are [or at least, that you consider yourself to be] a moral person. So, as a self-professed moral person, you will, or intend to, refrain from putting money into the pockets of criminals, by buying illicit psychotropic drugs ? They [psychotropic drugs] are not good for you [for your psyche], anyway. I believe, that they [psychotropic drugs] just screw with peoples 'heads'. No one has the right to tell me what to put into my body. No one has the right to limit my life experiences. EVERYONE should try LSD at least once in their lives. That goes for ecstasy too.

A libertine then.

And dark, if someone handed you a cyanide pill, would you feel compelled to try that too, just for the experience ?



No, you would not take a cyanide pill, because you know cyanide is a deadly poison ?

And if illicit drugs are produced by a 'secret' and unregulated process, how can you know what substances the illicit drugs you consume, contain ?



"EVERYONE should try LSD at least once in their lives.

That goes for ecstasy too."


1/
Your position ['logic'] on taking illicit drugs does not make a lot of sense, dark.

AND,

2/
Your consumption of illicit drugs is empowering and enriching violent criminal syndicates within the wider Australian community.




dark,

And you consider yourself to be the 'moral', the 'normal' person.

And you consider that i, Yadda, am the irrational one.




Go your way, dark.

Walk your own path.

Have a nice life.


Proverbs 28:4
They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
5  Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

darkhall67 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:20am:

falah wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 11:00pm: Infants 'have natural belief in God' INFANTS are hard-wired to believe in God, and atheism has to be learned, according to an Oxford University psychologist. Goodness me. Science has to be learned. Superstition has to be unlearned. Stop the presses. This is mindblowing stuff. We should be basing all our beliefs on what babies think. Certainly explains a lot about some of the posters on this site.

Luke 18:16
....Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
17  Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.



The nature of children....

Proverbs 3:32
For the froward is abomination to the LORD: but his secret is with the righteous.
33  The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just.
34  Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly.


Psalms 25:12
What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.
13  His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
14  The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

Yadda wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:23am:

darkhall67 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 5:27pm: Yadda wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:03pm: darkhall67 wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 2:33pm: Thanks for your permission to hate the evil , genocidal , racist , misogynist , lying , manipulative, blood thirsty , brutal , fanatical evil scumbag that is your god of the old testament yadda. My morals prevent me from worshipping such creatures, even if they weren't figments of your imagination. dark, I am glad to hear, that you are [or at least, that you consider yourself to be] a moral person. So, as a self-professed moral person, you will, or intend to, refrain from putting money into the pockets of criminals, by buying illicit psychotropic drugs ? They [psychotropic drugs] are not good for you [for your psyche], anyway. I believe, that they [psychotropic drugs] just screw with peoples 'heads'. No one has the right to tell me what to put into my body. No one has the right to limit my life experiences. EVERYONE should try LSD at least once in their lives. That goes for ecstasy too. A libertine then. And dark, if someone handed you a cyanide pill, would you feel compelled to try that too, just for the experience ? No, you would not take a cyanide pill, because you know cyanide is a deadly poison ?

Ridiculous argument.



And irrelevant to this thread .

Yadda wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 10:32am:

darkhall67 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 10:20am: falah wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 11:00pm: Infants 'have natural belief in God' INFANTS are hard-wired to believe in God, and atheism has to be learned, according to an Oxford University psychologist. Goodness me. Science has to be learned. Superstition has to be unlearned. Stop the presses. This is mindblowing stuff. We should be basing all our beliefs on what babies think. Certainly explains a lot about some of the posters on this site. Luke 18:16 ....Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. 17  Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein. The nature of children.... Proverbs 3:32 For the froward is abomination to the LORD: but his secret is with the righteous. 33  The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just. 34  Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly. Psalms 25:12 What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose. 13  His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth. 14  The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

1:1 And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,
1:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the LORD, ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, even of the herd, and of the flock.
1:3 If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD.
1:4 And he shall put his hand upon the head of the burnt offering; and it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him.
1:5 And he shall kill the bullock before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar that is by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.      (1:6) "Flay the burnt offering; cut it into pieces."

(1:8-9) "Lay ... the head, and the fat ... on the fire which is upon the altar: But his inwards and his legs ... burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice ... a sweet savour unto the LORD."
1:6 And he shall flay the burnt offering, and cut it into his pieces.
1:7 And the sons of Aaron the priest shall put fire upon the altar, and lay the wood in order upon the fire:
1:8 And the priests, Aaron's sons, shall lay the parts, the head, and the fat, in order upon the wood that is on the fire which is upon the altar:
1:9 But his inwards and his legs shall he wash in water: and the priest shall burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.
1:10 And if his offering be of the flocks, namely, of the sheep, or of the goats, for a burnt sacrifice; he shall bring it a male without blemish.      
1:11 And he shall kill it on the side of the altar northward before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall sprinkle his blood round about upon the altar.

falah wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:00pm:

One has to do a lot of mental gymnastic to become an atheist:

Not true Falah.

We laugh at your mental gymnastics in saying Pickthal,Yusef Ali,Shakir,Muhsin Khan,etc all got the translation of this verse wrong and you are the only one who has it right.

http://quran.com/18/86
Tick all boxes on left and ask did all these Quran translators get it wrong

falah wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 11:00pm:

One has to do a lot of mental gymnastic to become an atheist

What the hell do you know with your human mind and judgement, bearded son of Mohammed?? (a point you always bring up when western law is discussed).

No-one could be an atheist without Allah willing it. Nothing happens without Allah willing it. So lay of criticising people. Allah knows best.



Only Jews and Christrians have free will, not you, bearded numpty. Remember??? You converted out of free will.  You are a goddam slave to Allah - so row, you bastard, row!!!

Let's be clear about this. The ultimate answer to the ultimate question, 'Why is there life, the Universe and everything?' is unknown. Now anybody can try to fill that void with any answer that crosses their fancy.

The craters of the moon were containers for eggs that hatched. Some contained 'life force', others contained water, seeds, air etc, blah blah blah.

Nobody can disprove that. But it is very very unlikely.
So are the other answers that have had religions form around them.

Christianity -  The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

All religions boil down to nonsense. But you can't disprove anything in science. Neither can you prove things to be true. What you can do is prove a thing to be useful to believe and if you can't it isn't.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 6:22pm:

falah wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 11:00pm: One has to do a lot of mental gymnastic to become an atheist: Not true Falah. We laugh at your mental gymnastics in saying Pickthal,Yusef Ali,Shakir,Muhsin Khan,etc all got the translation of this verse wrong and you are the only one who has it right. http://quran.com/18/86 Tick all boxes on left and ask did all these Quran translators get it wrong

English is my native language.

I have studied Ancient Arabic at diploma level in two different universities, before graduating with an Arabic major in my undergraduate degree at another university.

Can you tell me which of the translators you mentioned have Arabic majors as well as English as their native tongue?

I can tell you that none of the translators you have mentioned had Arabic as a native tongue or had university degrees in Arabic. Only Marmaduke Pickthall had English as his native tongue.

Ibn Katheer, an Arab who lived 700 years ago, is considered one of the greatest Arabic Quran scholars ever. He said that the verse means:


Quote:

فسلك طريقاً حتى وصل إلى أقصى ما يسلك فيه من الأرض من ناحية المغرب، وهو مغرب الأرض، وأما الوصول إلى مغرب الشمس من السماء فمتعذر، ،  He followed a route until he reached the furthest point that could be reached in the direction of the sun's setting, which is the west of the earth. (As for the idea) of his reaching the place in the sky where the sun sets, this is something impossible...

This is how Arab scholars understand the verse.

falah wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 8:47am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 6:22pm: falah wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 11:00pm: One has to do a lot of mental gymnastic to become an atheist: Not true Falah. We laugh at your mental gymnastics in saying Pickthal,Yusef Ali,Shakir,Muhsin Khan,etc all got the translation of this verse wrong and you are the only one who has it right. http://quran.com/18/86 Tick all boxes on left and ask did all these Quran translators get it wrong English is my native language. I have studied Ancient Arabic at diploma level in two different universities, before graduating with an Arabic major in my undergraduate degree at another university. Can you tell me which of the translators you mentioned have Arabic majors as well as English as their native tongue?

You could go to the forum at www.councilofexmuslims.com and try your mental gymnastics with the Arabic language with people who have arabic as a first language.
They even have a sub forum in Arabic they will laugh at your mental gymnastics with the Arabic language.

Do you expect us to belive every Quran translator has got it wrong and you are the only person who gets it right?

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 8:58am:

falah wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 8:47am: Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 6:22pm: falah wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 11:00pm: One has to do a lot of mental gymnastic to become an atheist: Not true Falah. We laugh at your mental gymnastics in saying Pickthal,Yusef Ali,Shakir,Muhsin Khan,etc all got the translation of this verse wrong and you are the only one who has it right. http://quran.com/18/86 Tick all boxes on left and ask did all these Quran translators get it wrong English is my native language. I have studied Ancient Arabic at diploma level in two different universities, before graduating with an Arabic major in my undergraduate degree at another university. Can you tell me which of the translators you mentioned have Arabic majors as well as English as their native tongue? You could go to the forum at www.councilofexmuslims.com and try your mental gymnastics with the Arabic language with people who have arabic as a first language. They even have a sub forum in Arabic they will laugh at your mental gymnastics with the Arabic language.

Most Arabs today have difficulty understanding Ancient Arabic. It is like a modern Australian trying to make sense of Shakespearean or Chaucer's English.

If you want to make sense of an ancient Arabic text, you do not ask an uneducated person who does not understand Ancient Arabic.

falah wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 9:17am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 8:58am: falah wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 8:47am: Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 6:22pm: falah wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 11:00pm: One has to do a lot of mental gymnastic to become an atheist: Not true Falah. We laugh at your mental gymnastics in saying Pickthal,Yusef Ali,Shakir,Muhsin Khan,etc all got the translation of this verse wrong and you are the only one who has it right. http://quran.com/18/86 Tick all boxes on left and ask did all these Quran translators get it wrong English is my native language. I have studied Ancient Arabic at diploma level in two different universities, before graduating with an Arabic major in my undergraduate degree at another university. Can you tell me which of the translators you mentioned have Arabic majors as well as English as their native tongue? You could go to the forum at www.councilofexmuslims.com and try your mental gymnastics with the Arabic language with people who have arabic as a first language. They even have a sub forum in Arabic they will laugh at your mental gymnastics with the Arabic language. Most Arabs today have difficulty understanding Ancient Arabic. It is like a modern Australian trying to make sense of Shakespearean or Chaucer's English. If you want to make sense of an ancient Arabic text, you do not ask an uneducated person who does not understand Ancient Arabic.

Hassan is one of the moderators of the Arabic sub forum,he is an Egyptian who taught in Islamic schools for over 20 years and yes he even translates books from classical arabic to english,he has flawless arabic it is his first language.

Hassan does have sympathy for muslims,he was one for over 50 years.

There is a Saudi muslim who posts there called "Debunker" he was voted "poster of the month" last year.

You did not answer my question-

Do you expect us to believe every Quran translator has got it wrong and you with arabic as a second language are the only one to get it right?

Surgeon says human body did not evolve

He then addressed Darwinism's inability to account for the all-or-nothing structure of cellular systems, including the human body. As a medical doctor, Kuhn not only knows the general arrangement of the human body's visible parts, he also understands the interrelated biochemical systems that sustain and regulate all of those parts. He recognized that the human body contains an all-or-nothing system in which its core parts and biochemicals must exist all at once for the body to function.In a recent paper titled "Dissecting Darwinism," Baylor University Medical Center surgeon Joseph Kuhn described serious problems with Darwinian evolution.1 He first described how life could not possibly have come from chemicals alone, since the information residing in DNA required an input from outside of nature.2

Biochemist Michael Behe named these all-or-nothing systems "irreducibly complex."3Removing a single core part from one of these systems keeps the entire system from working, and this implies that the system was initially built with all of its parts intact.

This is exactly what researchers expect to see if God purposely created living systems, rather than if natural processes accidentally built living systems bit-by-bit-as Darwinian philosophy maintains.

Kuhn cited the work of another medical doctor, Geoffrey Simmons, who described 17 "all or nothing" human body systems.4 These combine with many others to form the entire human body-a system of systems-that is irreducible at many levels, from gross anatomy to biochemistry. For example, just as a woman would die without her heart, she would also die without the vital blood biochemical hemoglobin.

But even an intact heart and hemoglobin need regulation. A heart that beats too fast or too slow can be just as lethal as having no heart, and a body that produces too much or too little hemoglobin can be equally unhealthy. Thus, the systems that regulate heartbeats and hemoglobin must also have been present from the beginning.

Kuhn wrote that "virtually every aspect of human physiology has regulatory elements, feedback loops, and developmental components that require thousands of interacting genes leading to specified protein expression." Thus, "the human body represents an irreducibly complex system on a cellular and an organ/system basis."1

Evolution has no proven explanations for the origin of just one irreducibly complex system, let alone the interdependent web of irreducible systems that comprise the human body.

Could the human body have evolved? According to Kuhn, to change another creature into a human "would require far more than could be expected from random mutation and natural selection."1 However, a wonderfully constructed human body is exactly what an all-wise Creator would make, and He promised that those who trust in Him will one day inherit new bodies "that fadeth not away."5

http://english.pravda.ru//science/mysteries/09-02-2012/120459-surgeon_human_body-0/

falah wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 1:14pm:

Surgeon says human body did not evolve human body is exactly what an all-wise Creator would make, and He promised that those who trust in Him will one day inherit new bodies "that fadeth not away."5

Your source is not credible falah.

If you want to make claims about science then you should provide a peer reviewed  report published in a proper scientific journal or we will immediately discount it as bullshit.

This guy and the people he cites from were debunked with their bullshit ages ago.

The Human fossil record is evidence that backs Darwin,religious types ignore the available evidence for evolution.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 9:35am:

falah wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 9:17am: Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 8:58am: falah wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 8:47am: Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 6:22pm: falah wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 11:00pm: One has to do a lot of mental gymnastic to become an atheist: Not true Falah. We laugh at your mental gymnastics in saying Pickthal,Yusef Ali,Shakir,Muhsin Khan,etc all got the translation of this verse wrong and you are the only one who has it right. http://quran.com/18/86 Tick all boxes on left and ask did all these Quran translators get it wrong English is my native language. I have studied Ancient Arabic at diploma level in two different universities, before graduating with an Arabic major in my undergraduate degree at another university. Can you tell me which of the translators you mentioned have Arabic majors as well as English as their native tongue? You could go to the forum at www.councilofexmuslims.com and try your mental gymnastics with the Arabic language with people who have arabic as a first language. They even have a sub forum in Arabic they will laugh at your mental gymnastics with the Arabic language. Most Arabs today have difficulty understanding Ancient Arabic. It is like a modern Australian trying to make sense of Shakespearean or Chaucer's English. If you want to make sense of an ancient Arabic text, you do not ask an uneducated person who does not understand Ancient Arabic. Hassan is one of the moderators of the Arabic sub forum,he is an Egyptian who taught in Islamic schools for over 20 years and yes he even translates books from classical arabic to english,he has flawless arabic it is his first language. Hassan does have sympathy for muslims,he was one for over 50 years. There is a Saudi muslim who posts there called "Debunker" he was voted "poster of the month" last year. You did not answer my question- Do you expect us to believe every Quran translator has got it wrong and you with arabic as a second language are the only one to get it right?

Are you going to answer the Question Falah or avoid it because your mental gymnastics with the Arabic language has been exposed?

http://quran.com/18/86

Did all these translators get it wrong and you with Arabic as a second language are the only person who can translate this verse correctly?

Do you think a rational person will believe you?
Do you think an idiot will believe you?
Do you think a dumbfvckistani will believe you?

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 9:35am:

falah wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 9:17am: Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 8:58am: falah wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 8:47am: Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 6:22pm: falah wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 11:00pm: One has to do a lot of mental gymnastic to become an atheist: Not true Falah. We laugh at your mental gymnastics in saying Pickthal,Yusef Ali,Shakir,Muhsin Khan,etc all got the translation of this verse wrong and you are the only one who has it right. http://quran.com/18/86 Tick all boxes on left and ask did all these Quran translators get it wrong English is my native language. I have studied Ancient Arabic at diploma level in two different universities, before graduating with an Arabic major in my undergraduate degree at another university. Can you tell me which of the translators you mentioned have Arabic majors as well as English as their native tongue? You could go to the forum at www.councilofexmuslims.com and try your mental gymnastics with the Arabic language with people who have arabic as a first language. They even have a sub forum in Arabic they will laugh at your mental gymnastics with the Arabic language. Most Arabs today have difficulty understanding Ancient Arabic. It is like a modern Australian trying to make sense of Shakespearean or Chaucer's English. If you want to make sense of an ancient Arabic text, you do not ask an uneducated person who does not understand Ancient Arabic. Hassan is one of the moderators of the Arabic sub forum,he is an Egyptian who taught in Islamic schools for over 20 years and yes he even translates books from classical arabic to english,he has flawless arabic it is his first language. Hassan does have sympathy for muslims,he was one for over 50 years. There is a Saudi muslim who posts there called "Debunker" he was voted "poster of the month" last year. You did not answer my question- Do you expect us to believe every Quran translator has got it wrong and you with arabic as a second language are the only one to get it right?

No educated Muslim would ever leave Islam.

They are probably Jews or Christians pretending to be ex-Muslims.

Ex-Muslim's True past Emerges
http://www.illumemagazine.com/zine/articleDetail.php?Ex-Muslim-s-True-Past-Emerges-12677

http://www.fakeexmuslims.com/apps/blog/entries/show/9669505-video-challenge-to-ergun-caner-from-adnan-rashid

http://www.fakeexmuslims.com/biographyoferguncaner.htm


Kamal Saleem Still Selling His Fake Ex-Muslim Story
http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/10/kamal-saleem-still-selling-his-fake-ex-muslim-story/

Fake ex-Muslims Exposed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRDyOaCJ3t0&list=PLE3D509C951C1EE9E&index=2&feature=plpp_video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BYvtyXBXw4&list=PLE3D509C951C1EE9E&index=4&feature=plpp_video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebqhxX6rkSk&list=PLE3D509C951C1EE9E&index=5&feature=plpp_video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2mQ9CdMvq8&list=PLE3D509C951C1EE9E&index=7&feature=plpp_video


Actual Christian Priests Converting To Islam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBw2Wne0gAU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn0iPlWQNlI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn0iPlWQNlI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83c535Rpdhk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMhldBjiqi0

Richard Dawkins in ‘single-celled ancestor’ shock

Prominent atheist Richard Dawkins has been hit by fresh scandal today after it emerged his ancestors were single-celled organisms who metabolised sulphur.

New findings have shown that the outspoken atheist is the direct descendent of a primordial soup-dwelling thermophile – a particular variant of extremophile which clung to hydrothermic vents just 3.5 billion years ago.

http://cdn.newsthump.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/richard-dawkins-ancestors.jpg

SHOCKING!!!

http://newsthump.com/2012/02/20/richard-dawkins-in-single-celled-ancestor-shock/

Funny site.  ;D I also found this one:

http://newsthump.com/2011/06/21/oceans-just-need-a-rebrand-claim-management-consultants/

Soren wrote on Mar 7^th, 2012 at 7:41am:

Richard Dawkins in ‘single-celled ancestor’ shock Prominent atheist Richard Dawkins has been hit by fresh scandal today after it emerged his ancestors were single-celled organisms who metabolised sulphur. New findings have shown that the outspoken atheist is the direct descendent of a primordial soup-dwelling thermophile – a particular variant of extremophile which clung to hydrothermic vents just 3.5 billion years ago. http://cdn.newsthump.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/richard-dawkins-ancestors.jpg SHOCKING!!!

But who were the single-celled organisms ancestors?

How do you evolve from no cell to single-cell? It is impossible.

How can you believe that a bunch of chemicals one day decided to arrange themselves into a complex strand of self-replicating DNA?

Do you find anything this complicated in nature outside of life?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/DNA_Structure%2BKey%2BLabelled.pn_NoBB.png/340px-DNA_Structure%2BKey%2BLabelled.pn_NoBB.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/ADN_animation.gif


DNA is like a code. Did this code just create itself? I guess if you believe the universe just created itself? You would believe anything.

Why is it that religious nutters who continually attack evolution invariably demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the theory itself?

falah wrote on Mar 7^th, 2012 at 11:50am:

Soren wrote on Mar 7th, 2012 at 7:41am: Richard Dawkins in ‘single-celled ancestor’ shock Prominent atheist Richard Dawkins has been hit by fresh scandal today after it emerged his ancestors were single-celled organisms who metabolised sulphur. New findings have shown that the outspoken atheist is the direct descendent of a primordial soup-dwelling thermophile – a particular variant of extremophile which clung to hydrothermic vents just 3.5 billion years ago. http://cdn.newsthump.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/richard-dawkins-ancestors.jpg SHOCKING!!! DNA is like a code. Did this code just create itself? I guess if you believe the universe just created itself? You would believe anything.

As opposed to people who believe the ramblings of ignorant uneducated desert dwellers who spout stories of talking snakes , magical trees , virgin births ,  maniacal and brutal genocidal invisible deities who favor one group of humans over another.







Yes yes falah.


Your credulity is far more discerning than mine.

darkhall67 wrote on Mar 7^th, 2012 at 1:20pm:

Why is it that religious nutters who continually attack evolution invariably demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the theory itself?

Nobody could understand that garbage.

Just ask an evolutionist "How did DNA begin?" and they are totally stuck.

It is like asking them "how did the Big Bang begin?"


Quote:

Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We clove them asunder? (The Quran, 21:30)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang


Quote:

"47. With power did We construct the heavens and verily We are expanding it.  (The Noble Quran, 51:47)"

http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2011/1004/Discovery-that-universe-is-expanding-faster-and-faster-earns-physics-Nobel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_expansion_of_space

http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/bigbang.html

...and for the idiots who ask about what was before God


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Time was created in the Big Bang http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/bigbang.html

So time is only relative to the Creation




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And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

You know why NASA is looking for water in space? Because they know that life cannot exist without water.

http://www.space.com/7962-search-water-planets-takes-giant-leap.html

What does any of that have to do with the truth of evolution?

OK, here's a question for you religious types, since none I know have been able to answer it with any semblance of reality:

Who created God, when and how? or, if you prefer
Where did God come from?

I mean, one of the biggest "arguments" against evolution/the big bang etc from creationists is that nothing so complex as the universe or life could have been created from nothing.

Yet, we are to believe that a supreme being (which has the ability to create life and the universe from nothing) itself came from nothing at some stage?