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Message started by imcrookonit on Feb 19th, 2012 at 11:59am

Title: Tough New Fines For NSW Company Cars.
Post by imcrookonit on Feb 19th, 2012 at 11:59am
Tough new fines for NSW company cars
February 19, 2012



The NSW government is introducing a new penalty regime to make companies and people who drive company cars more accountable for traffic offences.

The laws will close a loophole that has allowed people in company cars to dodge demerit points, Roads Minister Duncan Gay says.   :-?

The so-called "Markson" loophole meant that people who were caught for traffic offences while driving company cars could get away with a fine only, and no loss of points, if the company was unable to say who was driving the car at the time.


Under the laws, to be introduced into state parliament this week, companies can be hit with fines of up to $16,500 if they fail to name the driver of a car caught by a speed camera.

"The NSW government is putting companies on notice that if they do the wrong thing and fail to nominate a driver they will face increased fines," Mr Gay said in a statement on Sunday.

"If companies do the right thing and nominate the offending driver, they will avoid facing these additional measures."

Fines will also be increased for penalty notices in a company name and companies will be fined five times the amount an individual would pay for camera offences.   :o

Court fees will also be five times higher for companies if a traffic matter goes to court.   :o

The Markson loophole was named after PR agent Max Markson failed to nominate the driver of his car for speeding offences in 2010, the Sunday Telegraph reported.

© 2012 AAP

Title: Re: Tough New Fines For NSW Company Cars.
Post by imcrookonit on Feb 19th, 2012 at 12:02pm
Oh well, its a liberal government, is it not so?.   The friend of the businesses.   ;D

Title: Re: Tough New Fines For NSW Company Cars.
Post by FRED. on Feb 19th, 2012 at 12:04pm

wrote on Feb 19th, 2012 at 12:02pm:
Oh well, its a liberal government, is it not so?.   The friend of the businesses.   ;D

Talking to your self  STUPID   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Tough New Fines For NSW Company Cars.
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Feb 19th, 2012 at 12:04pm
It's the same in Queensland I think.

A girl I know drives a car that belongs to her dad's company (she is a nominal director) and whilst she has had to pay the fines - she has never picked up demerit points.

It's just a loophole thats always been there I guess.

Title: Re: Tough New Fines For NSW Company Cars.
Post by imcrookonit on Feb 19th, 2012 at 12:08pm
Yes and it looks like the liberals in NSW, have just close the loophole.   :)

Title: Re: Tough New Fines For NSW Company Cars.
Post by Kat on Feb 19th, 2012 at 1:33pm

Yet another small step on the way to the totalitarian Police-State.

NSW is well on the way...:-(

Title: Re: Tough New Fines For NSW Company Cars.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 19th, 2012 at 6:40pm

Kat wrote on Feb 19th, 2012 at 1:33pm:
Yet another small step on the way to the totalitarian Police-State.

NSW is well on the way...:-(


thats a bit harsh. all it was doing was closing a loophole. if you want to complaine then do so about speeding fines and demerits themselves - not loopholes.

Title: Re: Tough New Fines For NSW Company Cars.
Post by thelastnail on Feb 19th, 2012 at 7:56pm

FRED. wrote on Feb 19th, 2012 at 12:04pm:

wrote on Feb 19th, 2012 at 12:02pm:
Oh well, its a liberal government, is it not so?.   The friend of the businesses.   ;D

Talking to your self  STUPID   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


says he who laughs at his own comments :D LOL

Title: Re: Tough New Fines For NSW Company Cars.
Post by BlOoDy RiPpEr on Feb 20th, 2012 at 6:59am
This wouldnt of been a loophole if we had presumption of innocence.

Title: Re: Tough New Fines For NSW Company Cars.
Post by Frances on Feb 20th, 2012 at 8:04am

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Feb 20th, 2012 at 6:59am:
This wouldnt of been a loophole if we had presumption of innocence.


A loophole is a weakness in a legal system which can be used to avoid the intent of the system without technically breaking it.  I don't see how the presumption of innocence or guilt can be relevant to the existence of a loophole.

Title: Re: Tough New Fines For NSW Company Cars.
Post by Verge on Feb 20th, 2012 at 10:08am
Sounds fair and reasonable to me.  Why shouldnt the person responsible be held to the same standard.

Bring it on I say.  I didnt even know this existed!

You should be patting the Liberals on the back for it imcrook, not whinging and having a cry about it.

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