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Title: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by matty on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:24pm

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/newspoll-has-tony-abbott-back-in-front-as-preferred-prime-minister/story-fn59niix-1226270208253

I guess that the PPM will suddenly become insignificant to the lefties. ;D

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by matty on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:25pm

Dennis Shanahan, Political Editor
From:The Australian
February 13, 201211:15PM

TONY Abbott has again overtaken Julia Gillard as preferred prime minister as the Coalition continues to dominate a federal Labor Party distracted by leadership divisions.

According to the latest Newspoll survey, taken exclusively for The Australian on February 10-12, Mr Abbott now leads Ms Gillard as preferred prime minister by 40 per cent to 37 per cent, reversing their positions two weeks ago. Ms Gillard had held a clear lead over Mr Abbott as preferred prime minister since mid-November, when she won kudos for hosting the Queen and US President Barack Obama.

Based on preference flows at the August 2010 election, the Coalition now holds a 10-point two-party preferred lead over the ALP of 55 per cent to 45 per cent. The Coalition led 54 per cent to 46 per cent two weeks ago.

Full details of the latest Newspoll survey will be published in The Australian newspaper and online on Tuesday.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by corporate_whitey on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:35pm

Tony Abbott needs to be piled on a plane with all of the other corrupt criminals and run out of Australia and banned from coming back. 8-)

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Greens_Win on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:20am

While more people still disapprove of Mr Abbott than approve, his satisfaction rating, the difference between the two, has dropped to minus 16.

During the same period, Ms Gillard's satisfaction levels have remained little changed, with satisfaction going from 33 per cent to 32 per cent and dissatisfaction rising from 55 per cent to 57 per cent.

Ms Gillard's net satisfaction rating is now minus 25 and has been minus 20 or more since September.

Gee, both old party leaders on the nose.
Who would of guessed?

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:14am

now the lamo laborites will tell us how preferred PM is meaningless

you cant have it both ways, losers!

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 6:12am

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:35pm:

Tony Abbott needs to be piled on a plane with all of the other corrupt criminals and run out of Australia and banned from coming back. 8-)

While you need a straightjacket...

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 6:14am

It was only a matter of time before people started realising that Gillard is a liar and hopelessly incompetent at her job. Tony Abbott was part of a highly successful government for more than a decade which oversaw unprecedented growth and zero debt. Time to watch Labor and Gillard freefall in the polls! :)

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Frances on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 6:18am

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:35pm:

Tony Abbott needs to be piled on a plane with all of the other corrupt criminals and run out of Australia and banned from coming back. 8-)

While I would call Abbott a few things, corrupt criminal would not be one of them. Can you tell us why you referred to him as a corrupt criminal?

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by olde.sault on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 6:59am

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:35pm:

Tony Abbott needs to be piled on a plane with all of the other corrupt criminals and run out of Australia and banned from coming back. 8-)

In past centuries, politicians in the ALP and the Greens would have been beheaded for treason - also their soothsayers, Flannery and Garnaut.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:15am

Up one week, down the next.
It really doesn't matter.
Bring on the election.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by skippy. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:37am

matty wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:24pm:

Well I don't know about other lefties,mel, but I think preferred PM is very important. I am not concerned Abbott is preferred over Gillard though, Rudd has never been beaten as preferred PM by Abbott just like Rudd never lost a TPP against Abbott, and I expect Rudd will be PM again, sooner rather than later. When Rudd again becomes PM, if all the polls that you rightards seem to hang off are correct, Rudd will kick Abbotts ass.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:46am

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:37am:

matty wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:24pm:

How is he going to do that skip?
Has he become competent yet?
Mr Magoo will be too busy tripping over his own feet to kick anyone arse, just like the last time.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Maqqa on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:48am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:14am:

now the lamo laborites will tell us how preferred PM is meaningless

you cant have it both ways, losers!

don't forget the infamous excuse - it's a ROGUE POLL

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Frances on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:56am

Error corrected:

olde.sault wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 6:59am:

In past centuries, politicians of all colours would have been beheaded for treason - also their soothsayers, Flannery and Garnaut.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:02am

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:37am:

matty wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:24pm:

and in true roo-girl fashion we go from one fantasy (gillard beating abbott) to another.

Abbott has already beaten Rudd and now Gillard. they need to try and find someone else to throw at him.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:04am

Maqqa wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:48am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:14am:

now the lamo laborites will tell us how preferred PM is meaningless

you cant have it both ways, losers!

don't forget the infamous excuse - it's a ROGUE POLL

thats usually buzz and nemess' answer to every bad poll. but they are not as bad as skippy who just reinterprets them any way he/she wants.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by skippy. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:07am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:02am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:37am:

matty wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:24pm:

and in true roo-girl fashion we go from one fantasy (gillard beating abbott) to another.

Abbott has already beaten Rudd and now Gillard. they need to try and find someone else to throw at him.

Post up the facts where Abbott has ever beaten Rudd, if you dont it just highlights you're a lying smartass.I expect TPP and preferred PM where Abbott beat Rudd, I know you cant ,because you're a liar.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by blackadder on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:09am

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:37am:

matty wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:24pm:

Some words of wisdom from roopoo "Rudd is a wanker"

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by skippy. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:11am

blackadder wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:09am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:37am:

matty wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:24pm:

Some words of wisdom from roopoo "Rudd is a wanker"

Do you disagree,kingofthefibroshack?

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by FRED. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:12am

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:02am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:37am:

matty wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:24pm:

and in true roo-girl fashion we go from one fantasy (gillard beating abbott) to another.

Abbott has already beaten Rudd and now Gillard. they need to try and find someone else to throw at him.

OH Drippy someone run over your dog ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:13am

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:02am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:37am:

matty wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:24pm:

and in true roo-girl fashion we go from one fantasy (gillard beating abbott) to another.

Abbott has already beaten Rudd and now Gillard. they need to try and find someone else to throw at him.

Post up the facts where Abbott has ever beaten Rudd, if you dont it just highlights you're a lying smartass.I expect TPP and preferred PM where Abbott beat Rudd, smartass, I know you cant ,because you're a filthy liar.

They would not have dumped Rudd if he was competent skip.
You know this.
They would have accepted his controlling ways had his policies and implementations not been associated with mismanagement and waste.
Had he been competent, Abbott like Turnbull would not have made any headway whatsoever, and Abbott would have been replaced.
If Rudd had been competent, the media would not have turned on him.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by skippy. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:17am

They would not have dumped Rudd if he was competent skip
Yet Abbott NEVER beat Rudd as preferred PM or TPP, post up where he did?????
So going on your assumptions if Rudd was considered incompetent Abbott is considered worse by the electorate, that never choice him over Rudd as preferred PM or TPP,FACT, unless you can prove me wrong,and you know you cant, I've already produced the old numbers for you,haven't I???? ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by skippy. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:18am

You must be concerned about the return of Rudd, chook, Abbott NEVER beat him as preferred Pm or TPP, yet you think Rudd was incompetent, doesn't say much for phony tony, no wonder you dont want Rudd to return.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by skippy. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:20am

FRED. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:12am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:02am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:37am:

matty wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:24pm:

and in true roo-girl fashion we go from one fantasy (gillard beating abbott) to another.

Abbott has already beaten Rudd and now Gillard. they need to try and find someone else to throw at him.

OH Drippy someone run over your dog ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Another moron unable to refute my facts, thanks, I love showing you up as the fool you are.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by FRED. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:24am

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:20am:

FRED. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:12am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:02am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:37am:

matty wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:24pm:

and in true roo-girl fashion we go from one fantasy (gillard beating abbott) to another.

Abbott has already beaten Rudd and now Gillard. they need to try and find someone else to throw at him.

OH Drippy someone run over your dog ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Another moron unable to refute my facts, thanks, I love showing you up as the fool you are.

Your dribling shyte as usual little man ;) ;) ;D ;D

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by skippy. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:26am

fred the loser wrote-Your dribling shyte as usual little man
Still cant refute my facts hey,moron??? ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by skippy. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:28am

kingofthefibroshack wrote-Now he has to find something else to kick
you'll be glad I'm giving you a rest, princess.
I note yet another moron that cant refute my facts so resorts to trolls, you rightards are sooooooooo inept. ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by FRED. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:28am

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:26am:

fred the loser wrote-Your dribling shyte as usual little man
Still cant refute my facts hey,moron??? ;D ;D ;D

You wouldnt know a FACT IF IT BIT YOU ON THE ARSE ROO SHYTE ;) ;) ;)

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:29am

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:17am:

Skip, it's not the numbers that are the issue here, and you are banking everything on them alone.
The faceless men would not have come knocking had Rudds policies and implementations had been competent, and Juliar would still be the Deputy.
They don't get rid of winning leaders Skip, because someone doesn't like their style.
The wheel don't turn that way.
The media would not have turned either had Rudd's policies not been so associated with incompetence, waste and mismanagement.
Nor could Abbott have ever been given the airplay had the media believed Rudd knew what he was doing.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:32am

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:18am:

Concerned?
Rudd has already demonstrated his incompetence.
You have totally forgotten that Gillard has gotten to where she is now USING Rudd's hand-me-down policies.
It doesn't matter who the jockey is Skip, it's the same bloody horse. ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by skippy. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:37am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:29am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:17am:

Gee you better tell your chums and the political parties,chook, because most of the country will tell you that its all about the numbers. Preferred PM and TPP wins elections. Here's a tip,chook, the person that gets the biggest TPP WINS the election, and Rudd ALWAYS beat phony tony, and the polls that ALL the rightards here gloat about ,and this thread is about, say that if Rudd was PM again he would kick phony tonys ass. What is it about facts that confuse you chook????

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by buzzanddidj on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:38am

matty wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:24pm:

Not at ALL !

How many polls has Abbott won as PPM ?

How many has Gillard ?

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Maqqa on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:44am

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

matty wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:24pm:

Not at ALL !

How many polls has Abbott won as PPM ?

How many has Gillard ?

How many polls has Abbott won as 2PP in the last 12 months given there are some polls done every other week

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:46am

the true facts are that Abbott started his job a huge margin behind Rudd and quickly starting to reel him in. He started at 16% behind and was at 4% when the cowardly ALP knifed Rudd. So by any measurement, Abbott had Rudd well and truly beaten. And once Gillard came in, Abbott did the same thing to her.

Abbott has beaten both rudd and gillard.

you laborites are too senseless to realise when you are shafted.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by skippy. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:51am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:46am:

You cant provide any poll that phony tony beat Rudd can you liar? I knew you couldn't loser.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by progressiveslol on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:54am

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:37am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:29am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:17am:

lol who is this Dudd fellow.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by buzzanddidj on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:54am

Maqqa wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:44am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

matty wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:24pm:

Not at ALL !

How many polls has Abbott won as PPM ?

How many has Gillard ?

How many polls has Abbott won as 2PP in the last 12 months given there are some polls done every other week

From MEMORY ?

A COUPLE with Newspoll
A few more with AC Nielsen

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by skippy. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:06am

longliar wrote-Abbott has beaten both rudd and gillard
Evidence, or its just another lie, longlie.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by blackadder on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:09am

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:06am:

longliar wrote-Abbott has beaten both rudd and gillard
Evidence, or its just another lie, longlie.

Jesus you are quite mad roopoo.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by blackadder on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:10am

From Buzz roopoo.

Not at ALL !

How many polls has Abbott won as PPM ?

How many has Gillard ?

How many polls has Abbott won as 2PP in the last 12 months given there are some polls done every other week

From MEMORY ?

A COUPLE with Newspoll
A few more with AC Nielsen

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by skippy. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:16am

blackadder wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:09am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:06am:

longliar wrote-Abbott has beaten both rudd and gillard
Evidence, or its just another lie, longlie.

Jesus you are quite mad roopoo.

Prove it or its another lie, which we expect from low life like you.
Post up anywhere that Abbott has beaten Rudd, lowlife.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by progressiveslol on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:34am

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:16am:

blackadder wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:09am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:06am:

longliar wrote-Abbott has beaten both rudd and gillard
Evidence, or its just another lie, longlie.

Jesus you are quite mad roopoo.

Prove it or its another lie, which we expect from low life like you.
Post up anywhere that Abbott has beaten Rudd, lowlife.

I would be upset as well if my party and leaders or potential leaders was as bad as what you follow religiously

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:42am

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:37am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:29am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 8:17am:

And yet Rudd was still removed. :)
Does this sound like a PM that is a winner?

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by progressiveslol on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:48am

Kevin Rudd Dudd is a gonner due to the Heiner affair

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=11586

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:54am

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:06am:

longliar wrote-Abbott has beaten both rudd and gillard
Evidence, or its just another lie, longlie.

and he has. during their time together, abbott improved by 12% while rudd dropped 12%

you have a very simplistic view of 'winning'. in your mind, the anchor leg of a relay team is still a loser even if he picks up a huge margin on his opponent.

but dont worry, your delusions will still keep you war, inside.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by philperth2010 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:40am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

Kevin Rudd Dudd is a gonner due to the Heiner affair

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=11586

Sounds like the shredding was not very thorough.....Kevin Rudd could not even get that right???

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by progressiveslol on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:52am

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

Kevin Rudd Dudd is a gonner due to the Heiner affair

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=11586

Sounds like the shredding was not very thorough.....Kevin Rudd could not even get that right???

Once the public gets to view these documents and if thoroughly true, then I would not want Rudd or anyone involved with the deception and coverup to be involved in politics anymore, let alone PM.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by philperth2010 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:59am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:52am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

Kevin Rudd Dudd is a gonner due to the Heiner affair

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=11586

Sounds like the shredding was not very thorough.....Kevin Rudd could not even get that right???

Once the public gets to view these documents and if thoroughly true, then I would not want Rudd or anyone involved, in politics anymore let alone PM.

If something comes of it then so be it....I will not defend Kevin Rudd or anyone else over covering up rape.....However the feigned concern from Jones and Ackerman is sickening to say the least.....These wankers are after political damage to Kevin Rudd and the ALP and are using this woman to further their cause.....They defend priests who have been convicted of the same thing FFS.....These people are all worthless trash of the lowest order IMO....If this woman gets any justice it will be because of better men than Jones and Ackerman!!!

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by progressiveslol on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:05am

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:59am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:52am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

Kevin Rudd Dudd is a gonner due to the Heiner affair

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=11586

Sounds like the shredding was not very thorough.....Kevin Rudd could not even get that right???

Once the public gets to view these documents and if thoroughly true, then I would not want Rudd or anyone involved, in politics anymore let alone PM.

Well I don't see anyone else stepping up and making sure that labor can't bury it.

If your rant was remotely true, then I would say it is a necessary evil.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by philperth2010 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:11am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:59am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:52am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

Kevin Rudd Dudd is a gonner due to the Heiner affair

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=11586

Sounds like the shredding was not very thorough.....Kevin Rudd could not even get that right???

Once the public gets to view these documents and if thoroughly true, then I would not want Rudd or anyone involved, in politics anymore let alone PM.

Well I don't see anyone else stepping up and making sure that labor can't bury it.

Then you did not listen to the audio very well did you.....Some bloke named Lindberg or something is pushing this issue.....Jones and Ackerman are just tools of the media trying to do political damage to the ALP and have nothing to do with trying to gain justice for anyone....Lindberg would push the issue without their help and has done so for 19 years...Jones and Ackerman are total flakes who have defended priests and others in the same situation.....they have no credibility IMO!!!

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by skippy. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:11am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:54am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:06am:

longliar wrote-Abbott has beaten both rudd and gillard
Evidence, or its just another lie, longlie.

Still no evidence, longlie????? you look a bigger liar with each post you dont put up the evidence.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by skippy. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:14am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:59am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:52am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

Kevin Rudd Dudd is a gonner due to the Heiner affair

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=11586

Sounds like the shredding was not very thorough.....Kevin Rudd could not even get that right???

Once the public gets to view these documents and if thoroughly true, then I would not want Rudd or anyone involved, in politics anymore let alone PM.

Well I don't see anyone else stepping up and making sure that labor can't bury it.

If your rant was remotely true, then I would say it is a necessary evil.

LOL the filth that is the extreme right are trying to trot out the Heiner affair again ,this will be as big a failure as last time. but it does highlight how afraid the scum are of a return to Rudd. ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by progressiveslol on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:19am

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:59am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:52am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

Kevin Rudd Dudd is a gonner due to the Heiner affair

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=11586

Sounds like the shredding was not very thorough.....Kevin Rudd could not even get that right???

Once the public gets to view these documents and if thoroughly true, then I would not want Rudd or anyone involved, in politics anymore let alone PM.

Well I don't see anyone else stepping up and making sure that labor can't bury it.

"Some bloke" yeh that'll do it lol. No, Jones will not allow for labor to bury this one, sorry, not.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by progressiveslol on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:21am

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:14am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:59am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:52am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

Kevin Rudd Dudd is a gonner due to the Heiner affair

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=11586

Sounds like the shredding was not very thorough.....Kevin Rudd could not even get that right???

Once the public gets to view these documents and if thoroughly true, then I would not want Rudd or anyone involved, in politics anymore let alone PM.

Well I don't see anyone else stepping up and making sure that labor can't bury it.

If your rant was remotely true, then I would say it is a necessary evil.

So you don't care if the Heiner affair is true or not. You are a disgrace.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by philperth2010 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:29am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:59am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:52am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

Kevin Rudd Dudd is a gonner due to the Heiner affair

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=11586

Sounds like the shredding was not very thorough.....Kevin Rudd could not even get that right???

Once the public gets to view these documents and if thoroughly true, then I would not want Rudd or anyone involved, in politics anymore let alone PM.

Well I don't see anyone else stepping up and making sure that labor can't bury it.

"Some bloke" yeh that'll do it lol. No, Jones will not allow for labor to bury this one, sorry, not.

You give Jones credit for Lindbergs work.....Jones said SFA until Lindberg provided the ammunition you dolt...Jones is an opportunistic tosser of the lowest order who did not care less about this woman until it became a problem for Kevin Rudd!!!

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by progressiveslol on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:31am

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:29am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:59am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:52am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

Kevin Rudd Dudd is a gonner due to the Heiner affair

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=11586

Sounds like the shredding was not very thorough.....Kevin Rudd could not even get that right???

Once the public gets to view these documents and if thoroughly true, then I would not want Rudd or anyone involved, in politics anymore let alone PM.

Well I don't see anyone else stepping up and making sure that labor can't bury it.

"Some bloke" yeh that'll do it lol. No, Jones will not allow for labor to bury this one, sorry, not.

No I give Jones credit for being a bulldog and will not allow for the great work of Lendberg to go to waste and for the poor girl to suffer any longer from a labor party.

You dolt.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:32am

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:54am:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:06am:

longliar wrote-Abbott has beaten both rudd and gillard
Evidence, or its just another lie, longlie.

Still no evidence, longlie????? you look a bigger liar with each post you dont put up the evidence.

you have a childs interpretation of almost everything. you are really going to suffer after the next election. You will probably be saying that Gillard 'actually won the election' despite abbott having a 40 seat margin.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by muso on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:35am

There are two "dogs" in that race. If it were Rudd and Turnbull, it would be a far more effective "hung parliament"

Either way, I hope that the next election result is hung until we see some real leadership from one side or the other.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by progressiveslol on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:37am

muso wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:35am:

Don't get your HOPES up too high. Better to go for a very low hope according to the polls. That way you have less to fall. Depression will not sink in.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by philperth2010 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:40am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:31am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:29am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:59am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:52am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

Kevin Rudd Dudd is a gonner due to the Heiner affair

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=11586

Sounds like the shredding was not very thorough.....Kevin Rudd could not even get that right???

Once the public gets to view these documents and if thoroughly true, then I would not want Rudd or anyone involved, in politics anymore let alone PM.

Well I don't see anyone else stepping up and making sure that labor can't bury it.

"Some bloke" yeh that'll do it lol. No, Jones will not allow for labor to bury this one, sorry, not.

No I give Jones credit for being a bulldog and will not allow for the great work of Lendberg to go to waste and for the poor girl to suffer any longer from a labor party.

You dolt.

I hope she gets the justice she deserves.....But it will not come because of Alan Jones....Defending priests and Hollingworth shows Jones double standards and lack of concern for victims.....Your loyalty is as deluded as Jones false concern for victims of sexual assault!!!

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by progressiveslol on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:43am

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:40am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:31am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:29am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:59am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:52am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

Kevin Rudd Dudd is a gonner due to the Heiner affair

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=11586

Sounds like the shredding was not very thorough.....Kevin Rudd could not even get that right???

Once the public gets to view these documents and if thoroughly true, then I would not want Rudd or anyone involved, in politics anymore let alone PM.

Well I don't see anyone else stepping up and making sure that labor can't bury it.

"Some bloke" yeh that'll do it lol. No, Jones will not allow for labor to bury this one, sorry, not.

No I give Jones credit for being a bulldog and will not allow for the great work of Lendberg to go to waste and for the poor girl to suffer any longer from a labor party.

You dolt.

It is not about loyalty, it is about a situation that has a bulldog on it. Too bad you have hangups. You should have done something about those other situations as you said "some bloke" can do it or were you not that concerned. Didn't think so.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by philperth2010 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:43am

Abbott needs good policies that will provide Australian's with a reason to vote for him.....Anyone that thinks polls this far out from an election without seeing Abbott's policies means anything is deluded to say the least!!!

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by progressiveslol on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:46am

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

But if labor tell us their policies, can we believe them. Not a chance. (There will be no carbon tax under a government labor leads). Can we believe labor will be competent regardless of policies. Not a chance.

Me think you are deluded.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by philperth2010 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:48am

The Dolt wrote

Quote:

I have no idea what point you are trying to make.....This is not about me it is about people who feign concern for certain victims in the public domain to score political points.....Jones is no hero IMO!!!

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by philperth2010 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:51am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

No point trying to debate you mate when you cannot see the reality in the face of a hung parliament.....Julia Gillard is facing a backlash for her broken promise and rightly so....However my point still stands that Abbott must provide a solid policy platform before the next election to get elected....He will not be voted in if he does not provide policies people want will he???

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by progressiveslol on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:52am

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:48am:

Quote:

The Dolt wrote
I have no idea what point you are trying to make.....This is not about me it is about people who feign concern for certain victims in the public domain to score political points.....Jones is no hero IMO!!!

Oh did you think Jones was a hero at one stage. Tell us about it.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by philperth2010 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:52am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:48am:

Quote:

Oh did you think Jones was a hero at one stage. Tell us about it.

I have no idea what you are talking about....Are you Alan Jones???

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:56am

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:40am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:31am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:29am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:59am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:52am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

Kevin Rudd Dudd is a gonner due to the Heiner affair

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=11586

Sounds like the shredding was not very thorough.....Kevin Rudd could not even get that right???

Once the public gets to view these documents and if thoroughly true, then I would not want Rudd or anyone involved, in politics anymore let alone PM.

Well I don't see anyone else stepping up and making sure that labor can't bury it.

"Some bloke" yeh that'll do it lol. No, Jones will not allow for labor to bury this one, sorry, not.

No I give Jones credit for being a bulldog and will not allow for the great work of Lendberg to go to waste and for the poor girl to suffer any longer from a labor party.

You dolt.

yet you make the same mistake. you only seem to want justice for her in the context of justice for someone else. It's better tahn nothing, but it aint the moral high ground.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Verge on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:04pm

And if someone like Abbott can get in front, it speaks more about Gillard than anyone else!!!!!

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by philperth2010 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:08pm

Longy wrote

Quote:

yet you make the same mistake. you only seem to want justice for her in the context of justice for someone else. It's better than nothing, but it ain't the moral high ground.

I fail to see any substance to that argument at all.....Lindberg provided members of the Senate with copies of the inquiry to try and provoke some form of justice for the victim and I hope he is successful.....I have not defended anyone who has covered up sexual assault that would be Jones and Ackerman....I have put no conditions on justice for anyone so I fail to see what you are trying to say???

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:32pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

the reality of the next election is that abbott will win because he is not Gillard or Labor. That is pretty much all he needs. Some good policies will help the margin but the actual result is beyond dispute.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by corporate_whitey on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:33pm

It doesn't matter who is PM out of the political class preferred PM's, they are all weak lame ducks who have lost the stones for a fight. ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by corporate_whitey on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:35pm

Where is the resolve, where is the iron will, where is the leadership, where is the conviction to take the tough decisions to get things done- p!ssweak, they make me sick... 8-) ;D ;D 8-)

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by philperth2010 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:37pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:32pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

Yet in the past we have seen polls swing and elections lost on the price of a birthday cake or the arrival of the Tampa or the prospect of Work Choices.....Saying policies do not matter just shows how little you know about the voting public.....Politicians who take the public for fools will suffer at the election booth.....Policies matter!!!

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by skippy. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:48pm

muso wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:35am:

There are two "dogs" in that race. If it were Rudd and Turnbull, it would be a far more effective "hung parliament"Either way, I hope that the next election result is hung until we see some real leadership from one side or the other.

What? Rudd and Turnbull? you go and wash your mouth out with soap ,sonny, the extreme congo line known as the far right will never allow the people of this country to choose between the two candidates they want. How dare you even suggest a couple of moderates face off.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by corporate_whitey on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:52pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:48pm:

muso wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:35am:

There are two "dogs" in that race. If it were Rudd and Turnbull, it would be a far more effective "hung parliament"Either way, I hope that the next election result is hung until we see some real leadership from one side or the other.

Switched allegiances from Gillard to Rudd eh? ;D ;D ;D

You're flogging a dead horse, none of them have the moral will to Govern, far too much corruption and shame on them I am afraid. 8-)

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Doctor Jolly on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:52pm

Gillard will not win the election unless she brings her party into line.

Leaks like "she penned her speech two weeks ago", just show a party lacking strong leadership.

She needs to hang a few out to dry.

Cant see it happening though, she doesnt have the support, but its time to put these rabble rousers down.

While Abbott is opposition leader, the only thing stopping the labor party from a 3rd term is itself. And its doing a fine job of stopping it so far.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by skippy. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 1:14pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:52pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:48pm:

muso wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:35am:

There are two "dogs" in that race. If it were Rudd and Turnbull, it would be a far more effective "hung parliament"Either way, I hope that the next election result is hung until we see some real leadership from one side or the other.

Switched allegiances from Gillard to Rudd eh? ;D ;D ;D

You're flogging a dead horse, none of them have the moral will to Govern, far too much corruption and shame on them I am afraid. 8-)

Nup, I dont like Rudd, but I'm a realist I can see the writing on the wall. If I had my way Rudd would face off against Turnbull and if that were the case I'd preference Turnbull over Rudd. Unlike the congo line of Lib suckholes here, I am not a party partisan hack for either major party. I support the GREENS. :P

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Gist on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 1:14pm

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:52am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

Kevin Rudd Dudd is a gonner due to the Heiner affair

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=11586

Sounds like the shredding was not very thorough.....Kevin Rudd could not even get that right???

Once the public gets to view these documents and if thoroughly true, then I would not want Rudd or anyone involved with the deception and coverup to be involved in politics anymore, let alone PM.

2GutterBroadcasting? A highly credible and respected source that one! Next you'll be trying to point us to that weighty and enormously well informed blog that TheLiar failed to link to yesterday. You guys are a laugh a minute, that's for sure. :D :D

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Gist on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 1:22pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 12:52pm:

Funnily enough, Richo said (I think on Qanda?) late last year that she wasn't doing too badly in the leakage department when compared to previous governments on both sides.

I sense Gillard has come out this year armed with spit and bile and is ready to kick some nuts. I hope so! I've got some popcorn and some beer laid in, ready for the day!! ;D ;D Frankly I think she's deserved a better run than she's had. Ultimately though it's up to her to make the best out of what she's got.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by skippy. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 1:25pm

Frankly I think she's deserved a better run than she's had. Ultimately though it's up to her to make the best out of what she's got.

I agree with that, but the sexist assholes that run the right wing media in this country were always going to do a job on her for their "boy",phony tony.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by matty on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:05pm

The double standards from the lefties on here beggar belief. What's good for the left (eg, Gilard) is not okay for the right (eg, Abbott).

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by perceptions_now on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:11pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

Frankly, I don't think that Gillard, Rudd, Abbott, Turnbull OR 99.9% of the other Pollies are up to the job!

Which is why it now boils down to picking the best options, out of some lousy choices!

And, we now really have an outstanding bunch to pick from, as far as really poor choices are concerned!

Maybe the best way, as has been put before, is to pick someone not yet in parliament, who has yet been indoctrinated?

But we all know that's not how the "system" works!

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by perceptions_now on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:13pm

matty wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:05pm:

The double standards from the lefties on here beggar belief. What's good for the left (eg, Gilard) is not okay for the right (eg, Abbott).

I agree & vice versa!

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:33pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

Those sexist assholes are yet to make a sexist comment skip.
And as for 'doing a job on her for their boy' couldn't be further from the truth.
Hadley totally savaged the Liberal NSW Premier only just this morning on 2GB, and Alan Jones is still going hypo over CSG after all these weeks, and his 110% support for the farmers and the Greens on this issue.
These guys play the issue, not which side of politics they belong.
It's hardly their fault Gillard is incompetent, and them pretending she is otherwise wouldn't do anyone any favours Skip.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:41pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

maybe if she stopped lying and did something competently, that would help. At the moment, the only thing she does well is renege on her promises.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:43pm

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:11pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

you've said that before and the obvious objection to it still applies. Under your system every MP would be an inexperienced newbie. if you think thats a good idea, then next time you want an electrician make sure you get an apprentice on his first week to rewire your house.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by progressiveslol on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:44pm

Gist wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 1:14pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:52am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

Kevin Rudd Dudd is a gonner due to the Heiner affair

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=11586

Sounds like the shredding was not very thorough.....Kevin Rudd could not even get that right???

Once the public gets to view these documents and if thoroughly true, then I would not want Rudd or anyone involved with the deception and coverup to be involved in politics anymore, let alone PM.

Funny though that you have got no substance for attacking the message lol. Nope just the messenger. Typical lefty.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by perceptions_now on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:59pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:43pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:11pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

LW,
Do you know what generally happens when "our system" sends a small time criminal to jail?

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by adelcrow on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:06pm

It really doesnt matter who wins the next election, the modern Labor and Coalition parties have shown they have no desire to work together so the real power will be with the Greens in the Senate.
Bring it on ;D

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by matty on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:13pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

progs has a great point though, and this is something that I (and many others) have been asking for months now: how can any word/policy be believed by Gillard with her track record of lying?

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by adelcrow on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:17pm

matty wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:13pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

progs has a great point though, and this is something that I (and many others) have been asking for months now: how can any word/policy be believed by Gillard with her track record of lying?

The same reasons Howard was known as mean and tricky but still managed to get elected despite people expecting him to lie at each election.
Labor leaders lie and so do Coalition leaders..unless you just came down in the last shower you would know this.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by matty on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:18pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:17pm:

matty wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:13pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

progs has a great point though, and this is something that I (and many others) have been asking for months now: how can any word/policy be believed by Gillard with her track record of lying?

Mr Howard never made such a blatant lie as the carbon tax one. When he changed his mind on the GST, he took it straight to a new election.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Karnal on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:20pm

That's true, Matty. Mr Howard took the WMD lie to an election too.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by matty on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:22pm

Enquiring mind wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:20pm:

That's true, Matty. Mr Howard took the WMD lie to an election too.

It's not a policy though, and not something that will affect everyone like the $23 carbon tax lie.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Karnal on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:34pm

matty wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:20pm:

That's true, Matty. Mr Howard took the WMD lie to an election too.

It's not a policy though, and not something that will affect everyone like the $23 carbon tax lie.

Exactly. Only Iraqis and a few Aussie diggers.

That's nothing like having to pay $23 to this incompetant government.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by adelcrow on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:42pm

matty wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:20pm:

That's true, Matty. Mr Howard took the WMD lie to an election too.

It's not a policy though, and not something that will affect everyone like the $23 carbon tax lie.

Lying about the reasons to invade another country is way less important than a revenue neutral tax ;D

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Karnal on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:46pm

Children overboard - Mr Howard took that to an election as well.

The more you look at it, Matty, the more you realise how full of lies and deceit Juliar's government really is.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by philperth2010 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:59pm

matty wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:20pm:

That's true, Matty. Mr Howard took the WMD lie to an election too.

It's not a policy though, and not something that will affect everyone like the $23 carbon tax lie.

Howards was proven to be a liar and found to be so by the people!!!

Howard censured over push for war with Iraq

Prime Minister John Howard was yesterday censured by the Senate for misleading the public in his justification for sending Australia to war with Iraq.

It was only the fourth time in more than three decades a sitting prime minister has been censured and the second in Mr Howard's seven-and-a-half years in office.

The motion attacked Mr Howard for failing to adequately inform Australians that intelligence agency warnings about a war with Iraq would increase the likelihood of a terrorist attack.

It also noted that no evidence had yet been produced by Mr Howard to justify his claims that in March this year, Iraq possessed stockpiles of completed biological chemical weapons that justified going to war.

The Opposition, Greens and Australian Democrats voted together to defeat the Government by 33 votes to 30.

Greens senator Bob Brown said Mr Howard was involved in an unprecedented deceit of the nation and deserved censure.

He said Mr Howard had argued that Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and support of international terrorism threatened Australia. "It has become abundantly clear that the Prime Minister was not just a bit wrong. He was totally wrong," he told parliament.

Defence Minister Robert Hill said the Australian and other governments believed Saddam Hussein's weapons programs posed a very real danger.

Opposition Senate leader John Faulkner said Mr Howard had been loose with the truth on issues of national security.

Mr Howard was censured by the Senate in March 2002 over his failure to stop Liberal Senator Bill Heffernan's attack on High Court Justice Michael Kirby.

The reasons for censure are still relevant today.....No evidence has ever been produced by Howard or anyone else.....Yet he told Parliament he had proof.....he lied!!!

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:19pm

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:43pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:11pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

LW,
Do you know what generally happens when "our system" sends a small time criminal to jail?

of what possible relevence is that to this thread or my post????

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:22pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:17pm:

matty wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:13pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

progs has a great point though, and this is something that I (and many others) have been asking for months now: how can any word/policy be believed by Gillard with her track record of lying?

because he WASNT generally considered mean and tricky. the voting community at large considered him honest and reliable. You can have your own opinion all you like, but it doesnt change the commounity view.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:24pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

matty wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:20pm:

That's true, Matty. Mr Howard took the WMD lie to an election too.

It's not a policy though, and not something that will affect everyone like the $23 carbon tax lie.

Lying about the reasons to invade another country is way less important than a revenue neutral tax ;D

'being wrong' is not a lie. it is only a lie when you KNOW you are wrong - such as gillard promising no carbon tax.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by adelcrow on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

matty wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:20pm:

That's true, Matty. Mr Howard took the WMD lie to an election too.

It's not a policy though, and not something that will affect everyone like the $23 carbon tax lie.

Lying about the reasons to invade another country is way less important than a revenue neutral tax ;D

'being wrong' is not a lie. it is only a lie when you KNOW you are wrong - such as gillard promising no carbon tax.

Well before the invasion it was widely known that the excuses for the invasion were lie. One million people marched in this country because of it.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:29pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

matty wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:20pm:

That's true, Matty. Mr Howard took the WMD lie to an election too.

It's not a policy though, and not something that will affect everyone like the $23 carbon tax lie.

a senate censure is about a meaningless as you can get. it was political grandstanding and nothing more. and Howard was re-elected - something Gillard wont be doing.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:32pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

matty wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:20pm:

That's true, Matty. Mr Howard took the WMD lie to an election too.

It's not a policy though, and not something that will affect everyone like the $23 carbon tax lie.

Lying about the reasons to invade another country is way less important than a revenue neutral tax ;D

'being wrong' is not a lie. it is only a lie when you KNOW you are wrong - such as gillard promising no carbon tax.

Well before the invasion it was widely known that the excuses for the invasion were lie. One million people marched in this country because of it.

no they WERENT known at all. the march was about going for ANY reason. it wasnt until after the invasion that the truth was known. Up unil then it was nothing more than an opinion - on both sides. being right in hindsight doesnt not make the opposing opinion a lie - only wrong.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by adelcrow on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:32pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

matty wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:20pm:

That's true, Matty. Mr Howard took the WMD lie to an election too.

It's not a policy though, and not something that will affect everyone like the $23 carbon tax lie.

a senate censure is about a meaningless as you can get. it was political grandstanding and nothing more. and Howard was re-elected - something Gillard wont be doing.

Lets see how long Abbott lasts with a hostile Senate ..after all, he set the new low standards for oppositions to follow remember its the oppositions job to oppose everything according to Tony.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Gist on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:36pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

matty wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:20pm:

That's true, Matty. Mr Howard took the WMD lie to an election too.

It's not a policy though, and not something that will affect everyone like the $23 carbon tax lie.

Lying about the reasons to invade another country is way less important than a revenue neutral tax ;D

'being wrong' is not a lie. it is only a lie when you KNOW you are wrong - such as gillard promising no carbon tax.

ahhh... the old excuse. King Of The Weasel Words never seemed to get told anything did he? Some minion always forgot to tell him what was going on at a crucial moment. It was never really his fault. He just didn't know! If he'd known then he would have done something about it... truly ruly! Anyone writing a book about Howard's term of office would be bound to call it "Howard's Lost Years" because he was lost in the halls of parliament without a clue what was going on. That's a great leader you guys hold up as a hero of the Liberal cause!

He was a lying turd, lower than a snake's arsehole and twice as dirty.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by skippy. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:49pm

longliar wrote-
Quote:

no they WERENT known at all. the march was about going for ANY reason. it wasnt until after the invasion that the truth was known. Up unil then it was nothing more than an opinion - on both sides

longliar cracks me up with his rewriting of history, he must be embarrassed about that lying little rodent too. ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by adelcrow on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:52pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

longliar wrote-
Quote:

no they WERENT known at all. the march was about going for ANY reason. it wasnt until after the invasion that the truth was known. Up unil then it was nothing more than an opinion - on both sides

longliar cracks me up with his rewriting of history, he must be embarrassed about that lying little rodent too. ;D ;D ;D

It is an odd rewriting of history

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:00pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

longliar wrote-
Quote:

no they WERENT known at all. the march was about going for ANY reason. it wasnt until after the invasion that the truth was known. Up unil then it was nothing more than an opinion - on both sides

longliar cracks me up with his rewriting of history, he must be embarrassed about that lying little rodent too. ;D ;D ;D

It is an odd rewriting of history

only odd if you are dim and partisan enough to honestly beleive that there was PROOF there were no WMDs. you only THOUGHT there wasnt, just as other people thought there WERE.

the trouble is that you really rationalisation was based on cowardice, just like most of your posts on here.

Howard's name and legacy lives on as the most popular PM ever. Your name is beyond anonymous.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by adelcrow on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:06pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

longliar wrote-
Quote:

no they WERENT known at all. the march was about going for ANY reason. it wasnt until after the invasion that the truth was known. Up unil then it was nothing more than an opinion - on both sides

longliar cracks me up with his rewriting of history, he must be embarrassed about that lying little rodent too. ;D ;D ;D

It is an odd rewriting of history

The only people claiming there were WMDs were Blair, Howard and Bushes war machine.
Every other person on the globe saw it for the lie that it was.
I dont know where you were at the time longy but the evidence against WMDs espesially from the UN inspectors in Iraq against was pretty conclusive
Everyone knew it was a lie invented by Bush Blair and Howard except for you

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by adelcrow on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:08pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

longliar wrote-
Quote:

no they WERENT known at all. the march was about going for ANY reason. it wasnt until after the invasion that the truth was known. Up unil then it was nothing more than an opinion - on both sides

longliar cracks me up with his rewriting of history, he must be embarrassed about that lying little rodent too. ;D ;D ;D

It is an odd rewriting of history

I thought Menzies was the most popular PM ever

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by philperth2010 on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:14pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

matty wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 3:20pm:

That's true, Matty. Mr Howard took the WMD lie to an election too.

It's not a policy though, and not something that will affect everyone like the $23 carbon tax lie.

The reasons for censure are still relevant today.....No evidence has ever been produced by Howard or anyone else.....Yet he told Parliament he had proof.....he lied!

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by skippy. on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:14pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

longliar wrote-
Quote:

no they WERENT known at all. the march was about going for ANY reason. it wasnt until after the invasion that the truth was known. Up unil then it was nothing more than an opinion - on both sides

longliar cracks me up with his rewriting of history, he must be embarrassed about that lying little rodent too. ;D ;D ;D

It is an odd rewriting of history

I thought Menzies was the most popular PM ever

Actually,according to the polls, the most popular Pm in Australia,EVER,was kevvy with an approval rating of 74%. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by adelcrow on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:21pm

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:14pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

longliar wrote-
Quote:

no they WERENT known at all. the march was about going for ANY reason. it wasnt until after the invasion that the truth was known. Up unil then it was nothing more than an opinion - on both sides

longliar cracks me up with his rewriting of history, he must be embarrassed about that lying little rodent too. ;D ;D ;D

It is an odd rewriting of history

I thought Menzies was the most popular PM ever

Actually,according to the polls, the most popular Pm in Australia,EVER,was kevvy with an approval rating of 74%. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Well..bugga me sideways...Kevin 07 is our most popular PM ever.
I suppose that means longy will have to vote for him at the next election :D

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by perceptions_now on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:43pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:11pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

LW,
Do you know what generally happens when "our system" sends a small time criminal to jail?

of what possible relevence is that to this thread or my post????

LW,
Perhaps we should send you along to Gist, for training IN LOGICAL THINKING?

Small time Crims, learn how to be big time Crims, IN JAIL!

Small time Porky Pie tellers, learn how to be EXPERT LIE TELLERS (Politicians), when they enter Parliament!

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:22am

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:14pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

longliar wrote-
Quote:

no they WERENT known at all. the march was about going for ANY reason. it wasnt until after the invasion that the truth was known. Up unil then it was nothing more than an opinion - on both sides

longliar cracks me up with his rewriting of history, he must be embarrassed about that lying little rodent too. ;D ;D ;D

It is an odd rewriting of history

I thought Menzies was the most popular PM ever

Actually,according to the polls, the most popular Pm in Australia,EVER,was kevvy with an approval rating of 74%. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

try an actual poll held outside of their term of office, to discover their LONG-TERM popularit - not their on-hit-wonder polls.

But I am sure you ahve no idea what I am talking of. your grade 7 education probably didnt cover concepts like this.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:23am

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:43pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:11pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

LW,
Do you know what generally happens when "our system" sends a small time criminal to jail?

of what possible relevence is that to this thread or my post????

your idiotic 'metaphor' is as stupid as the rest of your posts. you complain about austerity AND complain about debt. how do you figure that out?

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by perceptions_now on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:37am

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:23am:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 7:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:43pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 2:11pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

LW,
Do you know what generally happens when "our system" sends a small time criminal to jail?

of what possible relevence is that to this thread or my post????

your idiotic 'metaphor' is as stupid as the rest of your posts. you complain about austerity AND complain about debt. how do you figure that out?

That's why I've consistently called it a dilemma & a Gordian Knot etc!

If you want some training in logical thinking, I'm sure that Gist will help you?

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:38am

In England Perceptions - we call it playing both sides of the bat and then claiming victory whichever way the ball flies.

Kind of like betting on red, black and green and then stating you're a soothsayer when it lands on one of them.

You can't be pro and anti austerity measures.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by perceptions_now on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:54am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

Yes, I can!

Why? Because it should never have got to this stage, where we can't move forward or back!

If general AUS-terity comes into force in OZ, then the same results will happen, as per currently happening in the UK, Greece & elsewhere, THE ECONOMY WILL HIT THE WALL, BECAUSE DEMAND WILL FALL EVEN FURTHER THAN IT WOULD, GIVEN THE CURRENT ADVERSE MACRO FACTORS IN PLAY!

There is a need to reduce Debt, particularly at a Global level, but in OZ where the Debt levels are not as high as the US and much of Europe, we should not go for "general AUS-terity, rather we should be VERY TARGETED in what we do!

However, that is not to say that there is not quite a bit of target shooting which will now has to be done, which should never have been needed, if our local Pollies & the Global, particularly in the US & Europe, had done thier jobs anywhere near properly, which they did not!

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 9:00am

Whether you like the fact or not, this is my take -

The global economy is made up on three interlinked regions and trading blocs.
NAFTA, The EU and China. I could say "Asia" but I really think now China is big enough to override anything in Asia, including Japan.

Australia is in none of them - not ASEAN, not EU, not NAFTA.
Therefore Australia will not dictate terms on global credit and trading - Australia will basically be affected by them.

Thus, Australia's economic well-being will principally be decided in Beijing and not Canberra.

You could model the pottery wheel all you like - and overall Australia has not done a bad job - but without the Chinese foot on the pedal - it would all come crashing down pretty quickly.

There is no need for austerity measures in Australia I agree.
However there is in Europe and that is the correct policy.

In Britain we suffered badly under a decade of Labour rule (debt grew out of control - as it tends to under that party) and last time it took Mrs Thatcher to sort it out.
This time the job falls on the shoulders of Dangerous Dave and I think he's actually doing a reasonable job.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by perceptions_now on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 10:27am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 9:00am:

Whether you like the fact or not, this is my take -

The global economy is made up on three interlinked regions and trading blocs.
NAFTA, The EU and China. I could say "Asia" but I really think now China is big enough to override anything in Asia, including Japan.

Australia is in none of them - not ASEAN, not EU, not NAFTA.
Therefore Australia will not dictate terms on global credit and trading - Australia will basically be affected by them.

Thus, Australia's economic well-being will principally be decided in Beijing and not Canberra.

You could model the pottery wheel all you like - and overall Australia has not done a bad job - but without the Chinese foot on the pedal - it would all come crashing down pretty quickly.

There is no need for austerity measures in Australia I agree.

However there is in Europe and that is the correct policy.

In Britain we suffered badly under a decade of Labour rule (debt grew out of control - as it tends to under that party) and last time it took Mrs Thatcher to sort it out.
This time the job falls on the shoulders of Dangerous Dave and I think he's actually doing a reasonable job.

I could go into a whole bundle of different issues that will dictate what will affect OZ, but I agree our Economic wellbeing is now largely out of our hands, from a positive outlook, but we & our Politicians, can still mess it up, from a negative aspect!

However, Europe & the US are pretty much beyond redemption, although the "general AUS-terity" programs in Europe & to come in the US are absolutely incorrect, at absolutely the wrong time.

This is not another Reagan/Thacther era, the inputs & outcomes are like chalk & cheese!

Both Europe & the US will fold, taking OZ & the ROW with them!

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 5:09pm

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:54am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

one of your more confusing posts nedwin/pinhead. you cant have it both ways yet you demand your right to do so. You cant reduce debt without reducing spending yet you oppose reducing spending and reducing debt.

The european problem is simply that now there is no hoice. after decades of debt-driven incompetent socialism, their debt is so high that austerity is their ONLY option.

but you certainly are a weird one. you complain about debt but complain about any efforts to reduce it. You and pauline hanson probably think the solution is to just print more money.

you really are silly at times.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 5:11pm

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 10:27am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 9:00am:

Whether you like the fact or not, this is my take -

The global economy is made up on three interlinked regions and trading blocs.
NAFTA, The EU and China. I could say "Asia" but I really think now China is big enough to override anything in Asia, including Japan.

Australia is in none of them - not ASEAN, not EU, not NAFTA.
Therefore Australia will not dictate terms on global credit and trading - Australia will basically be affected by them.

Thus, Australia's economic well-being will principally be decided in Beijing and not Canberra.

You could model the pottery wheel all you like - and overall Australia has not done a bad job - but without the Chinese foot on the pedal - it would all come crashing down pretty quickly.

There is no need for austerity measures in Australia I agree.

However there is in Europe and that is the correct policy.

In Britain we suffered badly under a decade of Labour rule (debt grew out of control - as it tends to under that party) and last time it took Mrs Thatcher to sort it out.
This time the job falls on the shoulders of Dangerous Dave and I think he's actually doing a reasonable job.

you really are an idiot. I suppose you think the Greece austerity program is a bad idea. you really, truly have no idea whatsoever.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by perceptions_now on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 4:56pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 5:09pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:54am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

What I don't know LongWeakend, is what is worse -
1) Your lack of ability to string a sentence together, without getting your 3 thumbs in the road & making your usual spelling mistakes.
2) Your inability to make a point, without running others down.
3) Your lack of comprehension, on & of the written language.
4) Your inability to get out of the past & be able to comprehend what is happening now & what is influencing events now & in the future.

There, now are you happy, that I've done a YOU?

Now that you're happy, surely even you can understand this -
Australia doesn't need a general AUS-terity program, its Debt is NOT out of control, it is quite reasonable, but we will still need some very well targeted Tax increases & Expenditure reductions, as a result of Global Problems , which started in the USA & Europe and are now moving on to China & elsewhere & the Macro factors which are now in play!

However, Europe, the USA & Japan have already moved past the point of no return and because of issues relating to Demographics, Peak Energy, Peak Debt & Climate Change, they are already on an irreversible Economic slide downhill, which is set to last several decades, at least!

To impose a general AUS-terity program on those Economies, at this point in the game, would be akin to throwing kerosene onto a fire to put in out.

However, that is being done, that will be done & YOU WOULD ALSO DO IT, but it IS STILL AN IDIOTIC MOVE & IT WILL EXACERBATE (make worse) THE DECLINE THAT THESE COUNTRIES WILL EXPERIENCE!!! A dose of general AUS-terity, as distinct from a very specific bunch of measures in Australia, would also act to make our situation worse than it may otherwise be, as it would act to exacerbate a Declining Demand for Goods & service, which is coming anyway, due to the above Macro factors & the worsening Global situation.

Btw, I'm still not Nedwin and that will not change, no matter how many times you say it!
Oh & if Nedwin is watching, I wish him well!

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 6:34pm

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 5:09pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:54am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

oh solution-less one.... what would YOU do for Europe since you are so clever? Several countries have reached the poinbt where they are unable to pay their debt which is why smarter people than you (most of us) agree that a sensible idea is to SPEND LESS. if you cant pay your bills in real life what do you do? SPEND LESS.

Yes, austerity is going to hammer their economies. but the options are limited to just two: Austerity or soveriegn default and the mass destruction that would bring.

But apparently you think there is a third option. care to share it coz there at 500million europeans waiting to hear from you.

you may not be nedwin (although I think you are) but you are most certainlt, a pinhead.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by perceptions_now on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 7:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 6:34pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 5:09pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:54am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

oh solution-less one.... what would YOU do for Europe since you are so clever? Several countries have reached the poinbt where they are unable to pay their debt which is why smarter people than you (most of us) agree that a sensible idea is to SPEND LESS. if you cant pay your bills in real life what do you do? SPEND LESS.

Yes, austerity is going to hammer their economies. but the options are limited to just two: Austerity or soveriegn default and the mass destruction that would bring.

But apparently you think there is a third option. care to share it coz there at 500million europeans waiting to hear from you.

you may not be nedwin (although I think you are) but you are most certainlt, a pinhead.

Do you really think there is a solution, where the problems will be solved?

Are you that naive? Btw, that's a rhetorical question!

With Greece Bond holders already taking a 70% hair cut, Greece have already defaulted, but it has not been declared a default because that would involve major US & European Banks taking a massive hits via CDS & derivatives markets and send Global financial markets
into an immediate frenzy.

However, whether it is Greece, Italy or some other country that day can not be permanently relegated, it can only be delayed a little more and time is what is being sort, in the belief that "something" will solve this "Gordian Knot" AND GIVEN THE GLOBAL MACRO FACTORS IN PLAY, THAT JUST ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN!

So, in short, there is only one option, but no one wants it happening "on their watch", so they are busily trying to kick the can, further down the road.

Problem is, that can not continue and when TSHTF, this time really will be different!

Btw, your assertions about me & Nedwin are like your thoughts on Economics, they are simply WRONG!

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 5:32pm

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 7:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 6:34pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 19^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 5:09pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:54am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 8:38am:

but you are STILL saying they must reduce debt AND increase spending. despite all your waffle, you ahve still not answered how that is possible.

and btw. you should look up on the meaning of 'default'. Greeces HASNT defaulted.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by corporate_whitey on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 5:43pm

Its alright - after the next election the gloves are off with the Government Greed - its war - no safety, security, stability and regulation - no work. ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by corporate_whitey on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 5:58pm

Debt does not exist - it is a lie and it has nothing to do with the fact that we will not work under subhuman conditions for the Government under any circumstances or accept the burden of their stupidity and economic mismanagement. Bad unstable, insecure Government must not be submitted to. 8-)

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by philperth2010 on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 6:04pm

olde.sault wrote on Feb 14^th, 2012 at 6:59am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:35pm:

Tony Abbott needs to be piled on a plane with all of the other corrupt criminals and run out of Australia and banned from coming back. 8-)

In past centuries, politicians in the ALP and the Greens would have been beheaded for treason - also their soothsayers, Flannery and Garnaut.

Yes and you would have been burned as a Witch...What is your point???

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by corporate_whitey on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 6:09pm

What ever happens after the next election we will not work for Tony Abbott Julia Gillard, Bob Brown or any of the other nutjobs under any circumstances till they resign from the Parliament. >:( :P :-X

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 8:41pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 5:43pm:

Its alright - after the next election the gloves are off with the Government Greed - its war - no safety, security, stability and regulation - no work. ;D ;D ;D

what are you going to do? use your massive girth to blockade parliament? that wont work, theyve got cranes that can lift ships. they can still move you.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by corporate_whitey on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 9:25pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 8:41pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 5:43pm:

Its alright - after the next election the gloves are off with the Government Greed - its war - no safety, security, stability and regulation - no work. ;D ;D ;D

what are you going to do? use your massive girth to blockade parliament? that wont work, theyve got cranes that can lift ships. they can still move you.

The real question is are your radical communist political heroes up for a fight after the next election? Because I am ready to go, I cant wait for another crack at them.... 8-)

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by corporate_whitey on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 2:13pm

Tony Abbot will lead the most Radical Interventionist Red Communist Government in Australias history - he wants to tell you what to think, how to think it and when to think it, he wants to abolish job security and stability completely, he wants to be able to hire and fire you at will, be wants to be able to control your finances - tell you what to spend, how to spend it and when to spend it. So remember, when we get rid of the current bunch of ratbags in the Temple of Idols and Devils in Canberra, there is another bunch of frothing at the mouth loons just itching to get their hands on power and destabilize and play god with our lives. So be ready for class war, because after the next election it is on - the battle for sovereignty and liberty of the Australian mind and conscience.

The Next PM Of Australia...?

:D :o :o ::)

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 3:14pm

You need help, Corporate_Nutjob...

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 5:46pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 3:14pm:

You need help, Corporate_Nutjob...

he gets it.. often. usually by mandatory detention as long as they can literally fit him in.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:21pm

just another reminder to you loses supporting Gillard...

ABBOTT IS THE PREFERRED PM.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by adelcrow on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:24pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

just another reminder to you loses supporting Gillard...

ABBOTT IS THE PREFERRED PM.

And I hope he enjoys playing priest and alterboy with Commie Bob when he becomes PM ;D

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:25pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

just another reminder to you loses supporting Gillard...

ABBOTT IS THE PREFERRED PM.

And I hope he enjoys playing priest and alterboy with Commie Bob when he becomes PM ;D

Bob is more likely to sulk in the shadows when he loses his little bit of power that he currently clings to by his pantihose.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by adelcrow on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:30pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

just another reminder to you loses supporting Gillard...

ABBOTT IS THE PREFERRED PM.

And I hope he enjoys playing priest and alterboy with Commie Bob when he becomes PM ;D

Bob is more likely to sulk in the shadows when he loses his little bit of power that he currently clings to by his pantihose.

He'll have even more power in the Senate after the next election and Abbott will be his leather chap clad plaything ;D

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:13pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:30pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

just another reminder to you loses supporting Gillard...

ABBOTT IS THE PREFERRED PM.

And I hope he enjoys playing priest and alterboy with Commie Bob when he becomes PM ;D

Bob is more likely to sulk in the shadows when he loses his little bit of power that he currently clings to by his pantihose.

He'll have even more power in the Senate after the next election and Abbott will be his leather chap clad plaything ;D

You reckon? Abbott wins the next election no matter who wins tomorrow. Abbott has a mandate to rescind carbon tax, stop illegal immigrants and if Bob Brown tries to block that legislation, Abbott will ram a DD up his backside so hard it'll leave Bob running away with his tail between his fishnet pantihose.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by adelcrow on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:22pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:13pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:30pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

just another reminder to you loses supporting Gillard...

ABBOTT IS THE PREFERRED PM.

And I hope he enjoys playing priest and alterboy with Commie Bob when he becomes PM ;D

Bob is more likely to sulk in the shadows when he loses his little bit of power that he currently clings to by his pantihose.

He'll have even more power in the Senate after the next election and Abbott will be his leather chap clad plaything ;D

Abbott has no mandate by Green supporters and Labor wont vote for anything Abbott puts up after his unprofessional performance over the last few yrs.
In short, if Abbott wants another election a few mths after he gets in and risk even more Greens getting into the Senate...good for him. But one thing is for certain, Green voters are not going to suddenly become hardline ultra conservatives and flock to the Libs in the event of a DD. Abbott is going to have to follow Julia and negotiate with the Greens for many years to come.
Why do neo cons think a DD would favour them?
They'll get all the votes they are ever going to get at the next election..it aint ever gonna get any better so they better make the most of it.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:26pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:13pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:30pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

just another reminder to you loses supporting Gillard...

ABBOTT IS THE PREFERRED PM.

And I hope he enjoys playing priest and alterboy with Commie Bob when he becomes PM ;D

Bob is more likely to sulk in the shadows when he loses his little bit of power that he currently clings to by his pantihose.

He'll have even more power in the Senate after the next election and Abbott will be his leather chap clad plaything ;D

What makes you possibly think the Greens would win a DD on the carbon tax? It's almost universally hated, with the vast majority of Australians against it. All Abbott needs to do to win the next election is announce one policy and put his feet up - rescind the carbon tax. That one policy alone will be enough to decimate Labor and the Greens, along with the idiotic band of Independents who put them there in the first place!

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:34pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:13pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:30pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

just another reminder to you loses supporting Gillard...

ABBOTT IS THE PREFERRED PM.

And I hope he enjoys playing priest and alterboy with Commie Bob when he becomes PM ;D

Bob is more likely to sulk in the shadows when he loses his little bit of power that he currently clings to by his pantihose.

He'll have even more power in the Senate after the next election and Abbott will be his leather chap clad plaything ;D

you really dont get what a MANDATE is, do you? it isnt something that YOU agree with, it is something the majority agrees with. Greens of course, don get that concept.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:35pm

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:13pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:30pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

just another reminder to you loses supporting Gillard...

ABBOTT IS THE PREFERRED PM.

And I hope he enjoys playing priest and alterboy with Commie Bob when he becomes PM ;D

Bob is more likely to sulk in the shadows when he loses his little bit of power that he currently clings to by his pantihose.

He'll have even more power in the Senate after the next election and Abbott will be his leather chap clad plaything ;D

the greens vote is LOWER now than at the last election. that certianly doesnt translate into MORE seats (unless you are thinking like Greens_lose who has brought as such classics as the NSW election being 'a bad result' for the coalition')

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by Armchair_Politician on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:35pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:13pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:30pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

just another reminder to you loses supporting Gillard...

ABBOTT IS THE PREFERRED PM.

And I hope he enjoys playing priest and alterboy with Commie Bob when he becomes PM ;D

Bob is more likely to sulk in the shadows when he loses his little bit of power that he currently clings to by his pantihose.

He'll have even more power in the Senate after the next election and Abbott will be his leather chap clad plaything ;D

Labor is now polling lower than when Rudd was knifed. How this can be bad news for Abbott is beyond me.

Title: Re: Newspoll - Tony Abbott back in front as PPM.
Post by longweekend58 on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 6:13pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:35pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:13pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:30pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

adelcrow wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

just another reminder to you loses supporting Gillard...

ABBOTT IS THE PREFERRED PM.

And I hope he enjoys playing priest and alterboy with Commie Bob when he becomes PM ;D

Bob is more likely to sulk in the shadows when he loses his little bit of power that he currently clings to by his pantihose.

He'll have even more power in the Senate after the next election and Abbott will be his leather chap clad plaything ;D

Labor is now polling lower than when Rudd was knifed. How this can be bad news for Abbott is beyond me.

the lefites can be pretty weird at time. being ten points in fron is apparently BAD NEWS. I think the rest of us would enjoy having that kind of 'bad news' in our own lives!