The so called clever country can't do what Iran can do :D LOL

We can't even make pulverised sheep sh.t and we have to pay foreign car companies to come here and make cars for us :D LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqTFg2nna1k

Australia will never have a Space program, not while Creationist, God fearing little sh*ts still sit in our Parliament.

Hi Nail,
Good video.
I am embarrassed to live amongst so many low achievers
in this country when other countries are in the space race.
They have their own military satelites to add to their national security.
They can take high resolution photos of other countries &
eavesdrop on phone systems & other communications.

We are quite at good at sport though.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 11:27pm:

Hi Nail, Good video. I am embarrassed to live amongst so many low achievers in this country when other countries are in the space race. They have their own military satelites to add to their national security. They can take high resolution photos of other countries & eavesdrop on phone systems & other communications. We are quite at good at sport though.

how can we ever get into the space race when there are people like badweekend who think that dial-up internet is more than adequate :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 11:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 11:27pm: Hi Nail, Good video. I am embarrassed to live amongst so many low achievers in this country when other countries are in the space race. They have their own military satelites to add to their national security. They can take high resolution photos of other countries & eavesdrop on phone systems & other communications. We are quite at good at sport though. how can we get into the space race when there are people like badweekend who think that dial-up internet is more than adequate :(

I won't have anything bad said about dial-up internet!!!

I'm connected @ 24 kb/s tonight.

In about 2050 the optical fibre will arrive at my house.

Problem is, i woulda prolly been dead for 20 years!

and in typical fashion you mindless little cretins dont understand what is going on. Iran ha military purposes for EVERYTHING. their satellite, nuke program etc. and it is still a crap-hole country.

if you gay freakazoids dont likr the place. LEAVE. we'd certainly be better off without your dole-bludgin complaining ways. go to iran if you love it so much.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 7:52am:

and in typical fashion you mindless little cretins dont understand what is going on. Iran ha military purposes for EVERYTHING. their satellite, nuke program etc. and it is still a crap-hole country. if you gay freakazoids dont likr the place. LEAVE. we'd certainly be better off without your dole-bludgin complaining ways. go to iran if you love it so much.

So says the gay champion of mediocrity - Longweekend.

Longweekend - you're the only one on New Start here -
water training - what a load of hogwash.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 7:52am:

and in typical fashion you mindless little cretins dont understand what is going on. Iran ha military purposes for EVERYTHING. their satellite, nuke program etc. and it is still a crap-hole country. if you gay freakazoids dont likr the place. LEAVE. we'd certainly be better off without your dole-bludgin complaining ways. go to iran if you love it so much.

I've got a better idea. People like you should get lost with your apathetic attitude towards progress. Australia would be a far better place without the Luddite brigade.

The question is which other country would want such a useless idiot ?

What's so good about going to space?  It's got novelty value, but when that wears off........it's just a pointless exercise.

The air's pretty thin up there too I hear.

... wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

What's so good about going to space?  It's got novelty value, but when that wears off........it's just a pointless exercise.

It's what they are putting into space that counts. Maybe think about that the next time you use your GPS ;)

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 11:36am:

... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:19am: What's so good about going to space?  It's got novelty value, but when that wears off........it's just a pointless exercise. It's what they are putting into space that counts. Maybe think about that the next time you use your GPS ;)

Don't have a GPS, I even turned down a free one on principle.  I have a device called a "map" that does the same job.  Of course, you do need some skills to be able to use it.

Honky Tonk hillbilly -
read the thread:



Quote:

They have their own military satelites to add to their national security. They can take high resolution photos of other countries & eavesdrop on phone systems & other communications.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 11:16pm:

The so called clever country can't do what Iran can do :D LOL We can't even make pulverised sheep sh.t and we have to pay foreign car companies to come here and make cars for us :D LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqTFg2nna1k

We've built and launched a number of satellites......it's launch facilites we lack...

Bobby. wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:05pm:

Honky Tonk hillbilly - read the thread: Quote: They have their own military satelites to add to their national security. They can take high resolution photos of other countries & eavesdrop on phone systems & other communications.

Yeah.



So what?  Far easier to pay the chinks to launch any satellites we might want or need.

So what beenfit would we gain from skinking billions upon billions into a space program?

... wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:05pm: Honky Tonk hillbilly - read the thread: Quote: They have their own military satelites to add to their national security. They can take high resolution photos of other countries & eavesdrop on phone systems & other communications. Yeah. So what?  Far easier to pay the chinks to launch any satellites we might want or need. So what beenfit would we gain from skinking billions upon billions into a space program?

so why would the chinks do it if it is such a silly idea ??

you just want to make excuses as to why we are backward country which is only good for its resources and nothing else :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:05pm: Honky Tonk hillbilly - read the thread: Quote: They have their own military satelites to add to their national security. They can take high resolution photos of other countries & eavesdrop on phone systems & other communications. Yeah. So what?  Far easier to pay the chinks to launch any satellites we might want or need. So what beenfit would we gain from skinking billions upon billions into a space program? so why would the chinks do it if it is such a silly idea ?? you just want to make excuses as to why we are backward country which is only good for its resources and nothing else :(

The chinks would do do it becasue a) they've already spent the $$$ and b) their satellite needs are likely to be much greater than ours.

You do understand that what suits china might not necessarily suit other countries?  Should samoa have it's own space program?

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:05pm: Honky Tonk hillbilly - read the thread: Quote: They have their own military satellites to add to their national security. They can take high resolution photos of other countries & eavesdrop on phone systems & other communications. Yeah. So what?  Far easier to pay the chinks to launch any satellites we might want or need. So what beenfit would we gain from skinking billions upon billions into a space program? so why would the chinks do it if it is such a silly idea ?? you just want to make excuses as to why we are backward country which is only good for its resources and nothing else :(

Because they were part of the 'space race' (allied with Russia) during the 'Cold War'....and the Chinese space program grew out of that.....mainly concentrating on ICBMs in response to a perceived threat from the 'Capitalist West'...(mostly the US)....

They launched their first (successful) satellite in 1970..

... wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

The chinks would do do it becasue a) they've already spent the $$$ and b) their satellite needs are likely to be much greater than ours. You do understand that what suits china might not necessarily suit other countries?  Should samoa have it's own space program?

what a load of bullshit. The french and the poms have been launching satellites from as early as the 1960's. 

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:05pm:

... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:29pm: The chinks would do do it becasue a) they've already spent the $$$ and b) their satellite needs are likely to be much greater than ours. You do understand that what suits china might not necessarily suit other countries?  Should samoa have it's own space program? what a load of bullshit. The french and the poms have been launching satellites from as early as the 1960's.

Yes, indeed they have.  Your point?

North Korea has Nuclear capability but their people are starving to death.

But I concede you have a valid point. We are bleeding scientists to the rest of the world because this useless Government does not value their contribution, nor the contribution of Science as a whole.

... wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:22pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:05pm: ... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:29pm: The chinks would do do it becasue a) they've already spent the $$$ and b) their satellite needs are likely to be much greater than ours. You do understand that what suits china might not necessarily suit other countries?  Should samoa have it's own space program? what a load of bullshit. The french and the poms have been launching satellites from as early as the 1960's.  Yes, indeed they have.  Your point?

you have no excuses as to why Australia never entered the space race apart from the fact that we talk big but do nothing.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:22pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:05pm: ... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:29pm: The chinks would do do it becasue a) they've already spent the $$$ and b) their satellite needs are likely to be much greater than ours. You do understand that what suits china might not necessarily suit other countries?  Should samoa have it's own space program? what a load of bullshit. The french and the poms have been launching satellites from as early as the 1960's.  Yes, indeed they have.  Your point? you have no excuses as to why Australia never entered the space race.

Australia never entered the space race because there was no reason to do so.  If we need to send up a satellite or 2, we don't need to spend billions just so we can say we did it ourself.  It's like if I wanted to do some landscaping on my backyard - I don't BUY a bobcat when renting one fulfils all my needs at a much lower cost.

So, what benefit is there to be gained by australia having it's own space program?

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:05pm:

... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:29pm: The chinks would do do it becasue a) they've already spent the $$$ and b) their satellite needs are likely to be much greater than ours. You do understand that what suits china might not necessarily suit other countries?  Should samoa have it's own space program? what a load of bullshit. The french and the poms have been launching satellites from as early as the 1960's.

Yes nails....but they don't launch from their own countries...
The British 'Black Arrow' launch vehicles from the 1960's/1970's (the first British satellite launches) all took place in Woomera in SA...

ALL of the British satellites have been launched by other countries....Australia, the US and an Italian owned floating space centre of the coast of Kenya...

There are NO launch facilities in Britain

... wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:46pm: ... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:22pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:05pm: ... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:29pm: The chinks would do do it becasue a) they've already spent the $$$ and b) their satellite needs are likely to be much greater than ours. You do understand that what suits china might not necessarily suit other countries?  Should samoa have it's own space program? what a load of bullshit. The french and the poms have been launching satellites from as early as the 1960's.  Yes, indeed they have.  Your point? you have no excuses as to why Australia never entered the space race. Australia never entered the space race because there was no reason to do so.  If we need to send up a satellite or 2, we don't need to spend billions just so we can say we did it ourself.  It's like if I wanted to do some landscaping on my backyard - I don't BUY a bobcat when renting one fulfils all my needs at a much lower cost. So, what benefit is there to be gained by australia having it's own space program?

launching our own satellites and satellites for other countries for a nominal fee of course. It's a hi-tech business just like any other.

Oh but I forgot, Australians are early adopters of technology according to Peter Costello especially when it comes to the latest mobile phones just so aussies can talk sh.t to each other :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 2:20pm:

... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:50pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:46pm: ... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:22pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:05pm: ... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:29pm: The chinks would do do it becasue a) they've already spent the $$$ and b) their satellite needs are likely to be much greater than ours. You do understand that what suits china might not necessarily suit other countries?  Should samoa have it's own space program? what a load of bullshit. The french and the poms have been launching satellites from as early as the 1960's.  Yes, indeed they have.  Your point? you have no excuses as to why Australia never entered the space race. Australia never entered the space race because there was no reason to do so.  If we need to send up a satellite or 2, we don't need to spend billions just so we can say we did it ourself.  It's like if I wanted to do some landscaping on my backyard - I don't BUY a bobcat when renting one fulfils all my needs at a much lower cost. So, what benefit is there to be gained by australia having it's own space program? launching our own satellites and satellites for other countries for a nominal fee of course. It's a hi-tech business just like any other. Oh but I forgot, Australians are early adopters of technology according to Peter Costello especially when it comes to the latest mobile phones just so aussies can talk sh.t to each other :(

We developed much of the current 'cutting edge' technology around you know...

Nail is right again.
We should be part of the space race &
not just a quarry for the Chinese.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 3:11pm:

Nail is right again. We should be part of the space race & not just a quarry for the Chinese.

Nails is WRONG again...we ARE part of the 'space race'...

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

[ you have no excuses as to why Australia never entered the space race apart from the fact that we talk big but do nothing.

Australia was very much in the 'space race' from the 1950s through to the early 1970's, Womera Air Weapons Range was only second to Cape Canaveral in launching rockets during the 1960's. We set up many major aerospace programs in conjunction with the US and UK.

To say we 'never' entered the space race is a bit ignorant; but it is you making these statements.

You know you can use Google to check your facts before making a fool of yourself.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:22pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:05pm: ... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:29pm: The chinks would do do it becasue a) they've already spent the $$$ and b) their satellite needs are likely to be much greater than ours. You do understand that what suits china might not necessarily suit other countries?  Should samoa have it's own space program? what a load of bullshit. The french and the poms have been launching satellites from as early as the 1960's.  Yes, indeed they have.  Your point? you have no excuses as to why Australia never entered the space race apart from the fact that we talk big but do nothing.

I think you are confusing Australia with YOURSELF.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 4:59pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:46pm: ... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:22pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:05pm: ... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:29pm: The chinks would do do it becasue a) they've already spent the $$$ and b) their satellite needs are likely to be much greater than ours. You do understand that what suits china might not necessarily suit other countries?  Should samoa have it's own space program? what a load of bullshit. The french and the poms have been launching satellites from as early as the 1960's.  Yes, indeed they have.  Your point? you have no excuses as to why Australia never entered the space race apart from the fact that we talk big but do nothing. I think you are confusing Australia with YOURSELF.

Australia never entered the space race because we needed the money for other things like nation building, because others that are allies are doing it well and it is cheaper for us because our need is so small to pay them and the excessive cost made the program illogical for a nation with limited financial resources also. Considering we have a net debt to GDP ratio of 8% while most of Europe and the Uass all are at about 60% such selfish and indulgent spending would be stupid.

Most of this sounds like penis envy to me. What a pack of prats. They have one and so should I, or is it more sinister than that is it bigoted hate and a determination that the people of Iran must be dumb. Persia has been one of the greatest empires with some of the most interesting philosophers.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 2:04pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:05pm: ... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:29pm: The chinks would do do it becasue a) they've already spent the $$$ and b) their satellite needs are likely to be much greater than ours. You do understand that what suits china might not necessarily suit other countries?  Should samoa have it's own space program? what a load of bullshit. The french and the poms have been launching satellites from as early as the 1960's.  Yes nails....but they don't launch from their own countries... The British 'Black Arrow' launch vehicles from the 1960's/1970's (the first British satellite launches) all took place in Woomera in SA... ALL of the British satellites have been launched by other countries....Australia, the US and an Italian owned floating space centre of the coast of Kenya... There are NO launch facilities in Britain

so what happened after the poms vacated Australia ?? Did the aussies continue on with the program or did they do what they did with cars and rely on foreign corporations to run the show ??

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 3:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 3:11pm: Nail is right again. We should be part of the space race & not just a quarry for the Chinese. Nails is WRONG again...we ARE part of the 'space race'...

Many countries were part of the space race if you include those 3rd world countries that hosted telemetry stations so the capsule pilots could communicate with the ground stations. But that doesn't mean they were part of any hi tech development.

nairbe wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 5:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 4:59pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:46pm: ... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:22pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:05pm: ... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:29pm: The chinks would do do it becasue a) they've already spent the $$$ and b) their satellite needs are likely to be much greater than ours. You do understand that what suits china might not necessarily suit other countries?  Should samoa have it's own space program? what a load of bullshit. The french and the poms have been launching satellites from as early as the 1960's.  Yes, indeed they have.  Your point? you have no excuses as to why Australia never entered the space race apart from the fact that we talk big but do nothing. I think you are confusing Australia with YOURSELF. Australia never entered the space race because we needed the money for other things like nation building, because others that are allies are doing it well and it is cheaper for us because our need is so small to pay them and the excessive cost made the program illogical for a nation with limited financial resources also. Considering we have a net debt to GDP ratio of 8% while most of Europe and the Uass all are at about 60% such selfish and indulgent spending would be stupid. Most of this sounds like penis envy to me. What a pack of prats. They have one and so should I, or is it more sinister than that is it bigoted hate and a determination that the people of Iran must be dumb. Persia has been one of the greatest empires with some of the most interesting philosophers.

you are just making excuses for australia's mediocrity and poor education standards.

All australia has got is aussie rules, a pile of unprocessed minerals and a housing bubble with the most unafordable housing in the whole world.

You should feel good about that achievement ;)

I would suggest that some countries, such as the USA & Israel, would be viewing these developments more from the perspectives of -
1) The distance & technology that the rocket delivers.
2) The payload capability of the rocket.

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 9:25pm:

I would suggest that some countries, such as the USA & Israel, would be viewing these developments more from the perspectives of - 1) The distance & technology that the rocket delivers. 2) The payload capability of the rocket.

Also:
Israel is spying on Iran using satellites every day.
Now Iran can do the same.

Don't f*ck with the Mossad Bobby!!

Bobby. wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 9:47pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 9:25pm: I would suggest that some countries, such as the USA & Israel, would be viewing these developments more from the perspectives of - 1) The distance & technology that the rocket delivers. 2) The payload capability of the rocket. Also: Israel is spying on Iran using satellites every day. Now Iran can do the same.

They certainly can't rely on buying satellite time from the yanks ;)

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 8:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 3:15pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 3:11pm: Nail is right again. We should be part of the space race & not just a quarry for the Chinese. Nails is WRONG again...we ARE part of the 'space race'... Many countries were part of the space race if you include those 3rd world countries that hosted telemetry stations so the capsule pilots could communicate with the ground stations. But that doesn't mean they were part of any hi tech development.

No, I don't include countries that host telemetry stations....I only include countries that build satellites.....And Australia is one of them...

Buliding the hardware or infrastructure to launch a space vehicle isn't really necessary, not if we have 'friends' who already have the mechanics to do the launches....

We could build it...we have the skills (and the technology to rebuild him, to make him better than he was before. Better...stronger...faster lol)...it's just there wasn't any reason to spend the dollars on the infrastructure....

Australia launches secret state of the art submersible but no-one else can.
Australia has the 2 best Commercial Dive Academies in the world, but no-one else has. We used to have the 3 best until Descend in Albury (inland) sold up.
Australia has the best 'live catch' Fishing Fleet, but no-one else has and no-one else has better fish stocks.
Australia has the best Rice (Sunrice in the Riverina) quality in the world ...no-one else has.
etc,
etc,

...Australia also has 'Polaris', which can nullify incoming 'Nukes' (ThunderDome ;)).

Australia also has a high quality of living for lack of population growth besides boat people.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 8:19pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 2:04pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:05pm: ... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:29pm: The chinks would do do it becasue a) they've already spent the $$$ and b) their satellite needs are likely to be much greater than ours. You do understand that what suits china might not necessarily suit other countries?  Should samoa have it's own space program? what a load of bullshit. The french and the poms have been launching satellites from as early as the 1960's.  Yes nails....but they don't launch from their own countries... The British 'Black Arrow' launch vehicles from the 1960's/1970's (the first British satellite launches) all took place in Woomera in SA... ALL of the British satellites have been launched by other countries....Australia, the US and an Italian owned floating space centre of the coast of Kenya... There are NO launch facilities in Britain so what happened after the poms vacated Australia ?? Did the aussies continue on with the program or did they do what they did with cars and rely on foreign corporations to run the show ??

Yes, we did continue, our latest satellite was launched in 2003, and there are 2 more under construction in the US...

http://www.asri.org.au/australianspace/satellites

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 10:44pm:

Australia launches secret state of the art submersible but no-one else can. Australia has the 2 best Commercial Dive Academies in the world, but no-one else has. We used to have the 3 best until Descend in Albury (inland) sold up. Australia has the best 'live catch' Fishing Fleet, but no-one else has and no-one else has better fish stocks. Australia has the best Rice (Sunrice in the Riverina) quality in the world ...no-one else has. etc, etc, ...Australia also has 'Polaris', which can nullify incoming 'Nukes' (ThunderDome ;)). Australia also has a high quality of living for lack of population growth besides boat people.

You can count all of those achievements on one hand of course. But you forgot to add the Akubera hat to those achievements ;)

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 7:57am:

Yes, we did continue, our latest satellite was launched in 2003, and there are 2 more under construction in the US... http://www.asri.org.au/australianspace/satellites

No rocket technology and no launch capabilities of  course. Why not ?? Here come the manufactured excuses to manufacture nothing :(

Your excuse for this is what ??


Quote:

US firm pace Systems/Loral wins $620m NBN contract US firm Space Systems/Loral has won the $620 million contract for two satellites to provide high-speed broadband to areas in remote Australia. Prime Minister Julia Gillard, Communications Minister Stephen Conroy and NBN Co chief Mike Quigley made the announcement in Canberra today. The subsidiary of California-based group Loral Space and Communications, will launch two satellites to provide high-speed internet by 2015 under the national broadband network (NBN). NBN Co is the federal government-owned enterprise charged with rolling out fibre optic cable broadband to 93 per cent of Australia's 13 million homes, schools and businesses by 2021. Fixed wireless technology will provide high-speed internet to four per cent of premises while the remaining three per cent will be supplied by satellite technology to remote areas.peSenator Stephen Conroy said Australians were a step closer to fast and affordable broadband services. "This will ensure high speed broadband is delivered to Australia's remotest towns, such as Calvert in the Northern Territory and Bandya in Western Australia,'' he said in a statement. Mr Quigley said the satellites were designed to deliver initial peak speeds of 12 megabytes download and one megabyte upload. "It will be possible for retail service providers to offer services to homes and businesses in the satellite footprint that are as good or better than the services many city people currently experience,'' he said. Space Systems/Loral president John Celli said the two companies shared a commitment to the highest quality performance. "We're delighted to play a part in helping to deliver much-needed hi-speed broadband communities in regional and remote areas,'' he said. Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/us-firm-wins-620m-nbn-contract/story-e6frfku0-1226265579248#ixzz1lkRVklFc

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 11:16pm:

The so called clever country can't do what Iran can do :D LOL We can't even make pulverised sheep sh.t and we have to pay foreign car companies to come here and make cars for us :D LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqTFg2nna1k

TEHRAN, Iran — Iran successfully launched a new small satellite into orbit early Friday, state media reported, the latest in the country's ambitious space program that has raised concerns in the West because of its possible military applications.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called in to the launch site, saying he was "hopeful this act will send a signal of more friendship among all human beings," the official IRNA news agency reported.

IRNA said the domestically-made satellite, Navid, or Gospel, was designed to collect data on weather conditions and monitor for natural disasters.

It said the satellite weighs about 110 pounds (50 kilograms) and would orbit Earth at an altitude of up to 234 miles (375 kilometers), circling the planet 15 times a day. It's of a type known as miniaturized or microsatellites, which are cheaper to produce and allow for less costly launch vehicles.

Produced at an Iranian engineering university, Navid is the third small satellite that Iran has launched in recent years and is expected to remain in orbit for about two months. IRNA said Navid has advanced control technology, a higher resolution camera and photocells to generate power.

The satellite was sent into orbit by a missile launch-vehicle dubbed Safir, or Ambassador in Farsi, which IRNA said has 20 percent more launch power compared to earlier versions of satellite carrier missiles.

An Iranian website, Irannuc.ir, claimed Safir was a ballistic missile that can be converted into an intercontinental missile. State TV showed footage of the launch, with a rocket sent off and turning into a light point in the darkness of the skies.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/03/iran-small-satellite-launched_n_1253270.html

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 10:54am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 7:57am: Yes, we did continue, our latest satellite was launched in 2003, and there are 2 more under construction in the US... http://www.asri.org.au/australianspace/satellites No rocket technology and no launch capabilities of  course. Why not ?? Here come the manufactured excuses to manufacture nothing :( Your excuse for this is what ?? Quote: US firm pace Systems/Loral wins $620m NBN contract US firm Space Systems/Loral has won the $620 million contract for two satellites to provide high-speed broadband to areas in remote Australia. Prime Minister Julia Gillard, Communications Minister Stephen Conroy and NBN Co chief Mike Quigley made the announcement in Canberra today. The subsidiary of California-based group Loral Space and Communications, will launch two satellites to provide high-speed internet by 2015 under the national broadband network (NBN). NBN Co is the federal government-owned enterprise charged with rolling out fibre optic cable broadband to 93 per cent of Australia's 13 million homes, schools and businesses by 2021. Fixed wireless technology will provide high-speed internet to four per cent of premises while the remaining three per cent will be supplied by satellite technology to remote areas.peSenator Stephen Conroy said Australians were a step closer to fast and affordable broadband services. "This will ensure high speed broadband is delivered to Australia's remotest towns, such as Calvert in the Northern Territory and Bandya in Western Australia,'' he said in a statement. Mr Quigley said the satellites were designed to deliver initial peak speeds of 12 megabytes download and one megabyte upload. "It will be possible for retail service providers to offer services to homes and businesses in the satellite footprint that are as good or better than the services many city people currently experience,'' he said. Space Systems/Loral president John Celli said the two companies shared a commitment to the highest quality performance. "We're delighted to play a part in helping to deliver much-needed hi-speed broadband communities in regional and remote areas,'' he said. Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/us-firm-wins-620m-nbn-contract/story-e6frfku0-1226265579248#ixzz1lkRVklFc

Good post Nail,
It shows these luddites like Longweekend how backward we are.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 10:54am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 7:57am: Yes, we did continue, our latest satellite was launched in 2003, and there are 2 more under construction in the US... http://www.asri.org.au/australianspace/satellites No rocket technology and no launch capabilities of  course. Why not ?? Here come the manufactured excuses to manufacture nothing :( Your excuse for this is what ?? Quote: US firm pace Systems/Loral wins $620m NBN contract US firm Space Systems/Loral has won the $620 million contract for two satellites to provide high-speed broadband to areas in remote Australia. Prime Minister Julia Gillard, Communications Minister Stephen Conroy and NBN Co chief Mike Quigley made the announcement in Canberra today. The subsidiary of California-based group Loral Space and Communications, will launch two satellites to provide high-speed internet by 2015 under the national broadband network (NBN). NBN Co is the federal government-owned enterprise charged with rolling out fibre optic cable broadband to 93 per cent of Australia's 13 million homes, schools and businesses by 2021. Fixed wireless technology will provide high-speed internet to four per cent of premises while the remaining three per cent will be supplied by satellite technology to remote areas.peSenator Stephen Conroy said Australians were a step closer to fast and affordable broadband services. "This will ensure high speed broadband is delivered to Australia's remotest towns, such as Calvert in the Northern Territory and Bandya in Western Australia,'' he said in a statement. Mr Quigley said the satellites were designed to deliver initial peak speeds of 12 megabytes download and one megabyte upload. "It will be possible for retail service providers to offer services to homes and businesses in the satellite footprint that are as good or better than the services many city people currently experience,'' he said. Space Systems/Loral president John Celli said the two companies shared a commitment to the highest quality performance. "We're delighted to play a part in helping to deliver much-needed hi-speed broadband communities in regional and remote areas,'' he said. Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/us-firm-wins-620m-nbn-contract/story-e6frfku0-1226265579248#ixzz1lkRVklFc

Mostly that we don't enough space work to justify building (or in the case of Woomera, REbuilding) a space launch centre of our own.....
Billions of dollars in infrastructure and employees for something that would only be used a couple of times a decade....Can you imagine the howls about government waste??? It be even worse than the screaming about the money given to the car makers....

It's far easier and cheaper to rent the space and time from the NASA or the European space agencies.....
And before you say it....Iran HAD to build their own, because no one is likely to help them, or allow them to launch military hardware, given the current world opinion of the Iranian Government....

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:43pm:

Mostly that we don't enough space work to justify building (or in the case of Woomera, REbuilding) a space launch centre of our own..... Billions of dollars in infrastructure and employees for something that would only be used a couple of times a decade....Can you imagine the howls about government waste??? It be even worse than the screaming about the money given to the car makers.... It's far easier and cheaper to rent the space and time from the NASA or the European space agencies..... And before you say it....Iran HAD to build their own, because no one is likely to help them, or allow them to launch military hardware, given the current world opinion of the Iranian Government....

Geez there ya go bringin in rational debate to counter nail's mindless rants.

The only thing that matters is that we're a luddite country because we don't launch rockets into space.

The fact we don't need them and they're bloody expensive is irrelevant.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 1:42pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 12:43pm: Mostly that we don't enough space work to justify building (or in the case of Woomera, REbuilding) a space launch centre of our own..... Billions of dollars in infrastructure and employees for something that would only be used a couple of times a decade....Can you imagine the howls about government waste??? It be even worse than the screaming about the money given to the car makers.... It's far easier and cheaper to rent the space and time from the NASA or the European space agencies..... And before you say it....Iran HAD to build their own, because no one is likely to help them, or allow them to launch military hardware, given the current world opinion of the Iranian Government.... Geez there ya go bringin in rational debate to counter nail's mindless rants. The only thing that matters is that we're a luddite country because we don't launch rockets into space. The fact we don't need them and they're bloody expensive is irrelevant.

Oh rats...yeah sorry...I forgot and tried to use logic and rational thought....Should have remembered it was Bobby/Lastnails I was talking too....
My bad...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 1:42pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 12:43pm: Mostly that we don't enough space work to justify building (or in the case of Woomera, REbuilding) a space launch centre of our own..... Billions of dollars in infrastructure and employees for something that would only be used a couple of times a decade....Can you imagine the howls about government waste??? It be even worse than the screaming about the money given to the car makers.... It's far easier and cheaper to rent the space and time from the NASA or the European space agencies..... And before you say it....Iran HAD to build their own, because no one is likely to help them, or allow them to launch military hardware, given the current world opinion of the Iranian Government.... Geez there ya go bringin in rational debate to counter nail's mindless rants. The only thing that matters is that we're a luddite country because we don't launch rockets into space. The fact we don't need them and they're bloody expensive is irrelevant. Oh rats...yeah sorry...I forgot and tried to use logic and rational thought....Should have remembered it was Bobby/Lastnails I was talking too.... My bad...

Gizmo & Bigol -
get a life & stop arguing the contrary point of view just for the sake of it.

You know that Nail is right.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 2:49pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 1:48pm: BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 1:42pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 12:43pm: Mostly that we don't enough space work to justify building (or in the case of Woomera, REbuilding) a space launch centre of our own..... Billions of dollars in infrastructure and employees for something that would only be used a couple of times a decade....Can you imagine the howls about government waste??? It be even worse than the screaming about the money given to the car makers.... It's far easier and cheaper to rent the space and time from the NASA or the European space agencies..... And before you say it....Iran HAD to build their own, because no one is likely to help them, or allow them to launch military hardware, given the current world opinion of the Iranian Government.... Geez there ya go bringin in rational debate to counter nail's mindless rants. The only thing that matters is that we're a luddite country because we don't launch rockets into space. The fact we don't need them and they're bloody expensive is irrelevant. Oh rats...yeah sorry...I forgot and tried to use logic and rational thought....Should have remembered it was Bobby/Lastnails I was talking too.... My bad... Gizmo & Bigol - get a life & stop arguing the contrary point of view just for the sake of it. You know that Nail is right.

Sorry Bobby..I HAVE a life....and nothing Nails has ever said was 'right'.....
My views are my views...and aren't 'contrary fo the sake of it'....
They might be contrary to yours and nails...but that's just because you two are wrong, stupid and uneducated.....

That Australia has NEVER been in the space race; well with the help of Google and 10 minutes to spare I PROVED that nail was wrong.

It's all well and good to jump up and down like 2 yr old on crack about all sorts of issues, this like so many of his rants doesn't seem to have a point.

Yes we don't have a space program; we can't afford one

Yes we don't have advanced Tech industries; and?

Yes nail and bobby always believe nail is ALWAYS right about everything; little evidence is submitted to prove that hypothesis, if fact most evidence is to the contrary

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 1:42pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 12:43pm: Mostly that we don't enough space work to justify building (or in the case of Woomera, REbuilding) a space launch centre of our own..... Billions of dollars in infrastructure and employees for something that would only be used a couple of times a decade....Can you imagine the howls about government waste??? It be even worse than the screaming about the money given to the car makers.... It's far easier and cheaper to rent the space and time from the NASA or the European space agencies..... And before you say it....Iran HAD to build their own, because no one is likely to help them, or allow them to launch military hardware, given the current world opinion of the Iranian Government.... Geez there ya go bringin in rational debate to counter nail's mindless rants. The only thing that matters is that we're a luddite country because we don't launch rockets into space. The fact we don't need them and they're bloody expensive is irrelevant.

here we go again, manufacturing excuses not to manufacture anything.

How long would a useless imbecile such as yourself last in china ? What could someone like you possibly offer them ?

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 3:08pm:

That Australia has NEVER been in the space race; well with the help of Google and 10 minutes to spare I PROVED that nail was wrong. It's all well and good to jump up and down like 2 yr old on crack about all sorts of issues, this like so many of his rants doesn't seem to have a point. Yes we don't have a space program; we can't afford one Yes we don't have advanced Tech industries; and? Yes nail and bobby always believe nail is ALWAYS right about everything; little evidence is submitted to prove that hypothesis, if fact most evidence is to the contrary

but we are the economic envy of the world and we can't afford to be part of the space race but we can dump trillions into overpriced old junk property :D LOL

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 3:07pm:

Sorry Bobby..I HAVE a life....and nothing Nails has ever said was 'right'..... My views are my views...and aren't 'contrary fo the sake of it'.... They might be contrary to yours and nails...but that's just because you two are wrong, stupid and uneducated.....

What am I not right right in ??

The context of this thread is about Iran launching a satellite and we can't do this. Which part of the thread topic do you have trouble understanding ??

To add to that, we have to go cap in hand to the yanks and pay them over 600 mill to launch two communications satellites for the NBN !!

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:43pm:

Mostly that we don't enough space work to justify building (or in the case of Woomera, REbuilding) a space launch centre of our own..... Billions of dollars in infrastructure and employees for something that would only be used a couple of times a decade....Can you imagine the howls about government waste??? It be even worse than the screaming about the money given to the car makers.... It's far easier and cheaper to rent the space and time from the NASA or the European space agencies..... And before you say it....Iran HAD to build their own, because no one is likely to help them, or allow them to launch military hardware, given the current world opinion of the Iranian Government....

What do you mean we don't have enough space ?? How much space do you need ??

You are an idiot. Stop wasting my time with your pathetic attempts at being contrary.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 12:43pm: Mostly that we don't enough space work to justify building (or in the case of Woomera, REbuilding) a space launch centre of our own..... Billions of dollars in infrastructure and employees for something that would only be used a couple of times a decade....Can you imagine the howls about government waste??? It be even worse than the screaming about the money given to the car makers.... It's far easier and cheaper to rent the space and time from the NASA or the European space agencies..... And before you say it....Iran HAD to build their own, because no one is likely to help them, or allow them to launch military hardware, given the current world opinion of the Iranian Government.... What do you mean we don't have enough space ?? How much space do you need ?? You are an idiot. Stop wasting my time with your pathetic attempts at being contrary.

Space WORK nails..not space on the ground....

We don't launch enough space hardware to justify it....

It's not like we have a moon landing program or anything......we launched the occasion satellite, but no capsules, shuttles or manned craft....

And it's not being 'contrary' when you correct someone who keeps saying that 2+2=5.....it's just being realistic...

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 12:43pm: Mostly that we don't enough space work to justify building (or in the case of Woomera, REbuilding) a space launch centre of our own..... Billions of dollars in infrastructure and employees for something that would only be used a couple of times a decade....Can you imagine the howls about government waste??? It be even worse than the screaming about the money given to the car makers.... It's far easier and cheaper to rent the space and time from the NASA or the European space agencies..... And before you say it....Iran HAD to build their own, because no one is likely to help them, or allow them to launch military hardware, given the current world opinion of the Iranian Government.... What do you mean we don't have enough space ?? How much space do you need ?? You are an idiot. Stop wasting my time with your pathetic attempts at being contrary.

Nail - they are just wasting our time.
I think I'll spend more time contributing to technical forums
rather than here with all the luddites.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 5:06pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 4:52pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 12:43pm: Mostly that we don't enough space work to justify building (or in the case of Woomera, REbuilding) a space launch centre of our own..... Billions of dollars in infrastructure and employees for something that would only be used a couple of times a decade....Can you imagine the howls about government waste??? It be even worse than the screaming about the money given to the car makers.... It's far easier and cheaper to rent the space and time from the NASA or the European space agencies..... And before you say it....Iran HAD to build their own, because no one is likely to help them, or allow them to launch military hardware, given the current world opinion of the Iranian Government.... What do you mean we don't have enough space ?? How much space do you need ?? You are an idiot. Stop wasting my time with your pathetic attempts at being contrary. Space WORK nails..not space on the ground.... We don't launch enough space hardware to justify it.... It's not like we have a moon landing program or anything......we launched the occasion satellite, but no capsules, shuttles or manned craft.... And it's not being 'contrary' when you correct someone who keeps saying that 2+2=5.....it's just being realistic...

so you don't consider launching satellites or other payloads for other countries an incentive ??

Maybe the chinese and the US shouldn't do that either. They should knock back requests from other countries to launch payloads into space because some brain dead moron in Australia thinks it's a bad idea.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 7:54pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 4:52pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 12:43pm: Mostly that we don't enough space work to justify building (or in the case of Woomera, REbuilding) a space launch centre of our own..... Billions of dollars in infrastructure and employees for something that would only be used a couple of times a decade....Can you imagine the howls about government waste??? It be even worse than the screaming about the money given to the car makers.... It's far easier and cheaper to rent the space and time from the NASA or the European space agencies..... And before you say it....Iran HAD to build their own, because no one is likely to help them, or allow them to launch military hardware, given the current world opinion of the Iranian Government.... What do you mean we don't have enough space ?? How much space do you need ?? You are an idiot. Stop wasting my time with your pathetic attempts at being contrary. Nail - they are just wasting our time. I think I'll spend more time contributing to technical forums rather than here with all the luddites.

Note how the same brain dead f,ckwits always reply with the same brain dead lame excuses not to do anything.

These people would be destitute in countries without social security simply because they would be unemployable. Honestly, what would you employ them to do ?? They couldn't even pulverise sheep sh.t !!

Nail,

Quote:

Note how the same brain dead f,ckwits always reply with the same brain dead lame excuses not to do anything. These people would be destitute in countries without social security simply because they would be unemployable. Honestly, what would you employ them to do ?? They couldn't even pulverise sheep sh.t !!

I would employ none of them.
I want to see a high tech Australia in a new economy -
not just digging stuff out of the ground -
I want to see value adding -
I want to see science -
rockets firing into space with satelites -
6 submarines  sailing away & not in dry dock being repaired
for 98% of their lives.

This country needs a kick in the backside.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 10:29pm:

Nail, Quote: Note how the same brain dead f,ckwits always reply with the same brain dead lame excuses not to do anything. These people would be destitute in countries without social security simply because they would be unemployable. Honestly, what would you employ them to do ?? They couldn't even pulverise sheep sh.t !! I would employ none of them. I want to see a high tech Australia in a new economy - not just digging stuff out of the ground - I want to see value adding - I want to see science - rockets firing into space with satelites - 6 submarines  sailing away & not in dry dock being repaired for 98% of their lives. This country needs a kick in the backside.

'I want, I want, I want, I want'!


So what are YOU going to do about it?

Other than sit on your computer and whinge all day with your BFF nail.


You two need to step outside and get a big dose of reality, we are NOT china or the US we ARE limited by population and money to engage in the big techy stuff, this is just a reality, not a conspiracy against you two.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 6:49am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 10:29pm: Nail, Quote: Note how the same brain dead f,ckwits always reply with the same brain dead lame excuses not to do anything. These people would be destitute in countries without social security simply because they would be unemployable. Honestly, what would you employ them to do ?? They couldn't even pulverise sheep sh.t !! I would employ none of them. I want to see a high tech Australia in a new economy - not just digging stuff out of the ground - I want to see value adding - I want to see science - rockets firing into space with satelites - 6 submarines  sailing away & not in dry dock being repaired for 98% of their lives. This country needs a kick in the backside. 'I want, I want, I want, I want'! So what are YOU going to do about it? Other than sit on your computer and whinge all day with your BFF nail. You two need to step outside and get a big dose of reality, we are NOT china or the US we ARE limited by population and money to engage in the big techy stuff, this is just a reality, not a conspiracy against you two.

just more lame excuses not to make anything.

but hey, it must be a conspiracy against us two as to why we don't have a space program :D LOL

Bobby. wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 10:29pm:

Nail, Quote: Note how the same brain dead f,ckwits always reply with the same brain dead lame excuses not to do anything. These people would be destitute in countries without social security simply because they would be unemployable. Honestly, what would you employ them to do ?? They couldn't even pulverise sheep sh.t !! I would employ none of them. I want to see a high tech Australia in a new economy - not just digging stuff out of the ground - I want to see value adding - I want to see science - rockets firing into space with satelites - 6 submarines  sailing away & not in dry dock being repaired for 98% of their lives. This country needs a kick in the backside.

You can't have it here bobby. It's too much to ask to have an interesting career and be rewarded well whilst at the same time being involved in leading edge technology.  You have to go elsewhere where they have the right people with the right attitude towards science and technology. Perhaps  the clever country could learn a thing a or two from their colonial masters ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XLkQN7bWSk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5mKzBFuKn4

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

just more lame excuses not to make anything. but hey, it must be a conspiracy against us two as to why we don't have a space program :D LOL

So like I said what are YOU going to do about it?


The way you two pork chops carry on anyone would think that Australia has some sort of personal vendetta against you two.

It's not personal it's just the way it is, if you don't like the situation then do something, other than emit a constant whining noise while typing on your keyboard.

All you two seem to do is whine constantly that the world is not to your liking, no-one gives a fly bugger about what you want.

Stop being a couple of whiney little b1tches and man the hell up.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:25am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:07am: just more lame excuses not to make anything. but hey, it must be a conspiracy against us two as to why we don't have a space program :D LOL So like I said what are YOU going to do about it? The way you two pork chops carry on anyone would think that Australia has some sort of personal vendetta against you two. It's not personal it's just the way it is, if you don't like the situation then do something, other than emit a constant whining noise while typing on your keyboard. All you two seem to do is whine constantly that the world is not to your liking, no-one gives a fly bugger about what you want. Stop being a couple of whiney little b1tches and man the hell up.

Big dick,
Nail & I are just trying to get people who make decisions in this country
to wise up a bit & do something constructive.
We look forward to a better future for all Australians where technology
& innovation are part of our culture - not footy & digging stuff out of the ground.
Does that make us so bad?

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 10:11pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 5:06pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 4:52pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 12:43pm: Mostly that we don't enough space work to justify building (or in the case of Woomera, REbuilding) a space launch centre of our own..... Billions of dollars in infrastructure and employees for something that would only be used a couple of times a decade....Can you imagine the howls about government waste??? It be even worse than the screaming about the money given to the car makers.... It's far easier and cheaper to rent the space and time from the NASA or the European space agencies..... And before you say it....Iran HAD to build their own, because no one is likely to help them, or allow them to launch military hardware, given the current world opinion of the Iranian Government.... What do you mean we don't have enough space ?? How much space do you need ?? You are an idiot. Stop wasting my time with your pathetic attempts at being contrary. Space WORK nails..not space on the ground.... We don't launch enough space hardware to justify it.... It's not like we have a moon landing program or anything......we launched the occasion satellite, but no capsules, shuttles or manned craft.... And it's not being 'contrary' when you correct someone who keeps saying that 2+2=5.....it's just being realistic... so you don't consider launching satellites or other payloads for other countries an incentive ?? Maybe the chinese and the US shouldn't do that either. They should knock back requests from other countries to launch payloads into space because some brain dead moron in Australia thinks it's a bad idea.

The very fact that the US and China, among others are already sending satellites into space commercially just makes it even less economical.  Theres a limited market for satellites you know.  For Oz to get in on the rcaket, they'd need to set up the whole operation, costing 10s of billions. 
Meanwhile, the americans and chinese, with their existing facilities, and existing customers have the business sewn up for years to come.  How are we going to recoup the cost of the infrastructure?


ahhh why do we bother?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Big dick, Nail & I are just trying to get people who make decisions in this country to wise up a bit & do something constructive. We look forward to a better future for all Australians where technology & innovation are part of our culture - not footy & digging stuff out of the ground. Does that make us so bad?

You're doing nothing of the sort; the 'decision makers' don't read this drivel and are therefore clueless to your inane rants.

Just a couple of whiny tools, repetitiously venting their collective spleens anonymously on some board, much to the annoyance of everyone else.


You're not bad, just very, very lame.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:25am: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:07am: just more lame excuses not to make anything. but hey, it must be a conspiracy against us two as to why we don't have a space program :D LOL So like I said what are YOU going to do about it? The way you two pork chops carry on anyone would think that Australia has some sort of personal vendetta against you two. It's not personal it's just the way it is, if you don't like the situation then do something, other than emit a constant whining noise while typing on your keyboard. All you two seem to do is whine constantly that the world is not to your liking, no-one gives a fly bugger about what you want. Stop being a couple of whiney little b1tches and man the hell up. Big dick, Nail & I are just trying to get people who make decisions in this country to wise up a bit & do something constructive. We look forward to a better future for all Australians where technology & innovation are part of our culture - not footy & digging stuff out of the ground. Does that make us so bad?

Big ol wanker is only satisfied when everyone is taking it up the arse that is why he is so against electric vehicles and the manufacture thereof. And what was big ol wankers solution to the rising cost of fossil fools ??

Lets see. Hmm. It went something like:-

Buy a jeep wrangler  and only drive 10 k's a week :D LOL

That's really helpful to the majority who drive 50k's to work each day through peak hour stop start traffic.

What a visionary Big ol wanker :(

Apparently I have lost the argument for the manufacture of EV's in this country ;)

... wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:01am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 10:11pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 5:06pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 4:52pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 12:43pm: Mostly that we don't enough space work to justify building (or in the case of Woomera, REbuilding) a space launch centre of our own..... Billions of dollars in infrastructure and employees for something that would only be used a couple of times a decade....Can you imagine the howls about government waste??? It be even worse than the screaming about the money given to the car makers.... It's far easier and cheaper to rent the space and time from the NASA or the European space agencies..... And before you say it....Iran HAD to build their own, because no one is likely to help them, or allow them to launch military hardware, given the current world opinion of the Iranian Government.... What do you mean we don't have enough space ?? How much space do you need ?? You are an idiot. Stop wasting my time with your pathetic attempts at being contrary. Space WORK nails..not space on the ground.... We don't launch enough space hardware to justify it.... It's not like we have a moon landing program or anything......we launched the occasion satellite, but no capsules, shuttles or manned craft.... And it's not being 'contrary' when you correct someone who keeps saying that 2+2=5.....it's just being realistic... so you don't consider launching satellites or other payloads for other countries an incentive ?? Maybe the chinese and the US shouldn't do that either. They should knock back requests from other countries to launch payloads into space because some brain dead moron in Australia thinks it's a bad idea. The very fact that the US and China, among others are already sending satellites into space commercially just makes it even less economical.  Theres a limited market for satellites you know.  For Oz to get in on the rcaket, they'd need to set up the whole operation, costing 10s of billions.  Meanwhile, the americans and chinese, with their existing facilities, and existing customers have the business sewn up for years to come.  How are we going to recoup the cost of the infrastructure? ahhh why do we bother?

The chinese launching satellitres is only a recent event. What was your excuse before the chinks got involved ??

Why would the chinese bother when the yanks could have done it ?? Why bother ??

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:53am: Big dick, Nail & I are just trying to get people who make decisions in this country to wise up a bit & do something constructive. We look forward to a better future for all Australians where technology & innovation are part of our culture - not footy & digging stuff out of the ground. Does that make us so bad? You're doing nothing of the sort; the 'decision makers' don't read this drivel and are therefore clueless to your inane rants. Just a couple of whiny tools, repetitiously venting their collective spleens anonymously on some board, much to the annoyance of everyone else. You're not bad, just very, very lame.

so why are you posting moron ??

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:09am:

Big ol wanker is only satisfied when everyone is taking it up the arse that is why he is so against electric vehicles and the manufacture thereof. And what was big ol wankers solution to the rising cost of fossil fools ?? Lets see. Hmm. It went something like:- By a jeep wrangler  and only drive 10 k's a week :D LOL That's really helpful to the majority who drive 50k's to work each day through peak hour stop start traffic. What a visionary Big ol wanker :( Apparently I have lost the argument for the manufacture of EV's in this country ;)

I'm not against  EV's, actually looking forward to HFC EVs, I am against whiny little b1tches constantly harping on about sh1t they know very little about.

Since when did my job description include visionary?

Actually my mileage increased just recently to 1000 kms a week, more than happy to pay for fuel; fat lot of good a battery EV would have done me, hey. Thats the flexible application of the internal combustion engine at work.

In all the years you have whinged about EV's and now space rockets, I have not seen one person consider your argument as valid and reasonable, not one person has concluded that you have made a worthwhile contribution to these boards.

You must feel like a winner.  ;D

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:17am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:05am: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:53am: Big dick, Nail & I are just trying to get people who make decisions in this country to wise up a bit & do something constructive. We look forward to a better future for all Australians where technology & innovation are part of our culture - not footy & digging stuff out of the ground. Does that make us so bad? You're doing nothing of the sort; the 'decision makers' don't read this drivel and are therefore clueless to your inane rants. Just a couple of whiny tools, repetitiously venting their collective spleens anonymously on some board, much to the annoyance of everyone else. You're not bad, just very, very lame. so why are you posting moron ??

Oooohhh nooooo, hoisted upon my own petard.

I should have known you would get me using the undefeatable 'rubber / glue gambit'

Used by many a primary school child to win any and all arguments, along with the 'why are you hitting yourself?', this tactic is a master stroke by you nail.

Well done sir, you have won this round.  ;D

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:30am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:17am: BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:05am: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:53am: Big dick, Nail & I are just trying to get people who make decisions in this country to wise up a bit & do something constructive. We look forward to a better future for all Australians where technology & innovation are part of our culture - not footy & digging stuff out of the ground. Does that make us so bad? You're doing nothing of the sort; the 'decision makers' don't read this drivel and are therefore clueless to your inane rants. Just a couple of whiny tools, repetitiously venting their collective spleens anonymously on some board, much to the annoyance of everyone else. You're not bad, just very, very lame. so why are you posting moron ?? Oooohhh nooooo, hoisted upon my own petard. I should have known you would get me using the undefeatable 'rubber / glue gambit' Used by many a primary school child to win any and all arguments, along with the 'why are you hitting yourself?', this tactic is a master stroke by you nail. Well done sir, you have won this round.  ;D

You sound gay.

You sound like you jerk off after you think you have won an argument :D LOL

I don't recall you winning anything ever.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:34am:

You sound gay. You sound like you jerk off after you think you have won an argument :D LOL I don't recall you winning anything ever.

That's better, back to personal abuse to support your feeble arguments.  ;D


For a minute there I was scared you would continue to defeat me at every turn with your masterful use of the rubber / glue gambit, I thank you for showing me mercy.  ;D

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:21am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:09am: Big ol wanker is only satisfied when everyone is taking it up the arse that is why he is so against electric vehicles and the manufacture thereof. And what was big ol wankers solution to the rising cost of fossil fools ?? Lets see. Hmm. It went something like:- By a jeep wrangler  and only drive 10 k's a week :D LOL That's really helpful to the majority who drive 50k's to work each day through peak hour stop start traffic. What a visionary Big ol wanker :( Apparently I have lost the argument for the manufacture of EV's in this country ;) I'm not against  EV's, actually looking forward to HFC EVs, I am against whiny little b1tches constantly harping on about sh1t they know very little about. Since when did my job description include visionary? Actually my mileage increased just recently to 1000 kms a week, more than happy to pay for fuel; fat lot of good a battery EV would have done me, hey. Thats the flexible application of the internal combustion engine at work. In all the years you have whinged about EV's and now space rockets, I have not seen one person consider your argument as valid and reasonable, not one person has concluded that you have made a worthwhile contribution to these boards. You must feel like a winner.  ;D

One person?

Nail & I agree - that's 2 people plus all the wall flowers who have no comment.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:34am: You sound gay. You sound like you jerk off after you think you have won an argument :D LOL I don't recall you winning anything ever. That's better, back to personal abuse to support your feeble arguments.  ;D For a minute there I was scared you would continue to defeat me at every turn with your masterful use of the rubber / glue gambit, I thank you for showing me mercy.  ;D

How about driving a jeep wankler only 10k's a week in order to avoid the rising cost of fossil fool.

I think you well and truly won that argument :) LOL

I added a poll:

Should we be launching satellites?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 12:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:21am: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:09am: Big ol wanker is only satisfied when everyone is taking it up the arse that is why he is so against electric vehicles and the manufacture thereof. And what was big ol wankers solution to the rising cost of fossil fools ?? Lets see. Hmm. It went something like:- By a jeep wrangler  and only drive 10 k's a week :D LOL That's really helpful to the majority who drive 50k's to work each day through peak hour stop start traffic. What a visionary Big ol wanker :( Apparently I have lost the argument for the manufacture of EV's in this country ;) I'm not against  EV's, actually looking forward to HFC EVs, I am against whiny little b1tches constantly harping on about sh1t they know very little about. Since when did my job description include visionary? Actually my mileage increased just recently to 1000 kms a week, more than happy to pay for fuel; fat lot of good a battery EV would have done me, hey. Thats the flexible application of the internal combustion engine at work. In all the years you have whinged about EV's and now space rockets, I have not seen one person consider your argument as valid and reasonable, not one person has concluded that you have made a worthwhile contribution to these boards. You must feel like a winner.  ;D One person? Nail & I agree - that's 2 people plus all the wall flowers who have no comment.

We'll see if it's one person big dick!
A poll is added.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

... wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:01am: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 10:11pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 5:06pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 4:52pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 12:43pm: Mostly that we don't enough space work to justify building (or in the case of Woomera, REbuilding) a space launch centre of our own..... Billions of dollars in infrastructure and employees for something that would only be used a couple of times a decade....Can you imagine the howls about government waste??? It be even worse than the screaming about the money given to the car makers.... It's far easier and cheaper to rent the space and time from the NASA or the European space agencies..... And before you say it....Iran HAD to build their own, because no one is likely to help them, or allow them to launch military hardware, given the current world opinion of the Iranian Government.... What do you mean we don't have enough space ?? How much space do you need ?? You are an idiot. Stop wasting my time with your pathetic attempts at being contrary. Space WORK nails..not space on the ground.... We don't launch enough space hardware to justify it.... It's not like we have a moon landing program or anything......we launched the occasion satellite, but no capsules, shuttles or manned craft.... And it's not being 'contrary' when you correct someone who keeps saying that 2+2=5.....it's just being realistic... so you don't consider launching satellites or other payloads for other countries an incentive ?? Maybe the chinese and the US shouldn't do that either. They should knock back requests from other countries to launch payloads into space because some brain dead moron in Australia thinks it's a bad idea. The very fact that the US and China, among others are already sending satellites into space commercially just makes it even less economical.  Theres a limited market for satellites you know.  For Oz to get in on the rcaket, they'd need to set up the whole operation, costing 10s of billions.  Meanwhile, the americans and chinese, with their existing facilities, and existing customers have the business sewn up for years to come.  How are we going to recoup the cost of the infrastructure? ahhh why do we bother? The chinese launching satellitres is only a recent event. What was your excuse before the chinks got involved ?? Why would the chinese bother when the yanks could have done it ?? Why bother ??

April 24th1970 is recent???

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 12:02pm:

I added a poll: Should we be launching satellites?

Since you left out the fact that we have done and currently do....your poll is useless...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 12:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:02pm: I added a poll: Should we be launching satellites? Since you left out the fact that we have done and currently do....your poll is useless...

Don't think we've done much for quite a while:

http://australia_space.rossjsmith.com/aus_sat_covers.htm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 12:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:02pm: I added a poll: Should we be launching satellites? Since you left out the fact that we have done and currently do....your poll is useless...

so where are the launch facilities ?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 12:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:02pm: I added a poll: Should we be launching satellites? Since you left out the fact that we have done and currently do....your poll is useless... Don't think we've done much for quite a while: http://australia_space.rossjsmith.com/aus_sat_covers.htm

But that's not what the poll asks....

"Should be be launching our own satellites" would imply our own facilities, but as it is written.....everytime an Australian owned satellite goes up, we've launched it...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:31pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:02pm: I added a poll: Should we be launching satellites? Since you left out the fact that we have done and currently do....your poll is useless... Don't think we've done much for quite a while: http://australia_space.rossjsmith.com/aus_sat_covers.htm But that's not what the poll asks.... "Should be be launching our own satellites" would imply our own facilities, but as it is written.....everytime an Australian owned satellite goes up, we've launched it...

launched from where ?? Is it from an Australian launch site using Australian rocket technology ??

As the original video displays Iran has launched their own satellite.

anyway which ever way you interpret it you would still vote no because you are a dead beat.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:31pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:02pm: I added a poll: Should we be launching satellites? Since you left out the fact that we have done and currently do....your poll is useless... Don't think we've done much for quite a while: http://australia_space.rossjsmith.com/aus_sat_covers.htm But that's not what the poll asks.... "Should we be launching our own satellites" would imply our own facilities, but as it is written.....everytime an Australian owned satellite goes up, we've launched it...

OK - the poll should read:
should we be making & launching our own satellites from Australian soil
using our own technology?

no wonder the US and israel want to attack these

persians

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 1:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:31pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:02pm: I added a poll: Should we be launching satellites? Since you left out the fact that we have done and currently do....your poll is useless... Don't think we've done much for quite a while: http://australia_space.rossjsmith.com/aus_sat_covers.htm But that's not what the poll asks.... "Should we be launching our own satellites" would imply our own facilities, but as it is written.....every time an Australian owned satellite goes up, we've launched it... OK - the poll should read: should we be making & launching our own satellites from Australian soil using our own technology?

Or even 'should we be launching satellites from Australia' would do...

That's why I said it was no use as it was...
Even if we pay NASA to launch an Australian built/owned satellite, we ARE launching it...just because we're paying NASA to deliver it to orbit, doesn't stop it from being our launch....

If you send a package by courier, do you no longer own the package, when it's in the couriers vehicle????

Even if we pay NASA to launch an Australian built/owned satellite, we ARE launching it...just because we're paying NASA to deliver it to orbit, doesn't stop it from being our launch....

_________

thats quite a stretch

namaste

-:)

it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 2:37pm:

Even if we pay NASA to launch an Australian built/owned satellite, we ARE launching it...just because we're paying NASA to deliver it to orbit, doesn't stop it from being our launch.... _________ thats quite a stretch namaste -:)

Thanks Light,
they are forgiven unconditionally - with very much love -
and so it is.
Namaste.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 1:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:31pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:02pm: I added a poll: Should we be launching satellites? Since you left out the fact that we have done and currently do....your poll is useless... Don't think we've done much for quite a while: http://australia_space.rossjsmith.com/aus_sat_covers.htm But that's not what the poll asks.... "Should we be launching our own satellites" would imply our own facilities, but as it is written.....everytime an Australian owned satellite goes up, we've launched it... OK - the poll should read: should we be making & launching our own satellites from Australian soil using our own technology?

Edit the pole bobby otherwise the idiot will be looking for any loophole to argue the contrary :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 3:41pm:

Edit the pole bobby otherwise the idiot will be looking for any loophole to argue the contrary :(

Plus only you and your little fist-puppet have voted yes, not that it'll matter.  ;D


BTW the word is poll.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 3:41pm: Edit the pole bobby otherwise the idiot will be looking for any loophole to argue the contrary :( Plus only you and your little fist-puppet have voted yes, not that it'll matter.  ;D BTW the word is poll.

and of course the luddite liberals have voted no as usual just like their brain dead leader.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 3:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 2:15pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 1:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:31pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:02pm: I added a poll: Should we be launching satellites? Since you left out the fact that we have done and currently do....your poll is useless... Don't think we've done much for quite a while: http://australia_space.rossjsmith.com/aus_sat_covers.htm But that's not what the poll asks.... "Should we be launching our own satellites" would imply our own facilities, but as it is written.....everytime an Australian owned satellite goes up, we've launched it... OK - the poll should read: should we be making & launching our own satellites from Australian soil using our own technology? Edit the pole bobby otherwise the idiot will be looking for any loophole to argue the contrary :(

Seriously nails.....after all the time you've spent complaining and whining about the Government giving Holden a miserly $20 million, do you actually expect anyone to believe you'd support the Gov handing out amounts of $20+ BILLION, to fund an Australian Space Program, that might, just might, allow us to launch a satellite in maybe 15 or 20 years from now????

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 4:15pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 3:52pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 3:41pm: Edit the pole bobby otherwise the idiot will be looking for any loophole to argue the contrary :( Plus only you and your little fist-puppet have voted yes, not that it'll matter.  ;D BTW the word is poll. and of course the luddite liberals have voted no as usual just like their brain dead leader.

Still not a liberal, party member, politician or voter; the insult, like most of your posts, is wrong

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 4:16pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 3:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 2:15pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 1:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:31pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:02pm: I added a poll: Should we be launching satellites? Since you left out the fact that we have done and currently do....your poll is useless... Don't think we've done much for quite a while: http://australia_space.rossjsmith.com/aus_sat_covers.htm But that's not what the poll asks.... "Should we be launching our own satellites" would imply our own facilities, but as it is written.....everytime an Australian owned satellite goes up, we've launched it... OK - the poll should read: should we be making & launching our own satellites from Australian soil using our own technology? Edit the pole bobby otherwise the idiot will be looking for any loophole to argue the contrary :( Seriously nails.....after all the time you've spent complaining and whining about the Government giving Holden a miserly $20 million, do you actually expect anyone to believe you'd support the Gov handing out amounts of $20+ BILLION, to fund an Australian Space Program, that might, just might, allow us to launch a satellite in maybe 15 or 20 years from now????

And how much has the US Government spent on their space program ??

And it certainly beats blowing 20 billion on the war on error chasing imaginary bogeymen.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 4:15pm: BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 3:52pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 3:41pm: Edit the pole bobby otherwise the idiot will be looking for any loophole to argue the contrary :( Plus only you and your little fist-puppet have voted yes, not that it'll matter.  ;D BTW the word is poll. and of course the luddite liberals have voted no as usual just like their brain dead leader. Still not a liberal, party member, politician or voter; the insult, like most of your posts, is wrong

Well it's not too late to join up with Dr No and his Luddite brigade. You'd fit in really well ;)

And which of my posts are wrong ?

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 4:22pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 4:16pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 3:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 2:15pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 1:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:31pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:13pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 12:02pm: I added a poll: Should we be launching satellites? Since you left out the fact that we have done and currently do....your poll is useless... Don't think we've done much for quite a while: http://australia_space.rossjsmith.com/aus_sat_covers.htm But that's not what the poll asks.... "Should we be launching our own satellites" would imply our own facilities, but as it is written.....everytime an Australian owned satellite goes up, we've launched it... OK - the poll should read: should we be making & launching our own satellites from Australian soil using our own technology? Edit the pole bobby otherwise the idiot will be looking for any loophole to argue the contrary :( Seriously nails.....after all the time you've spent complaining and whining about the Government giving Holden a miserly $20 million, do you actually expect anyone to believe you'd support the Gov handing out amounts of $20+ BILLION, to fund an Australian Space Program, that might, just might, allow us to launch a satellite in maybe 15 or 20 years from now???? And how much has the US Government spent on their space program ?? And it certainly beats blowing 20 billion on the war on error chasing imaginary bogeymen.

A lot more than $20 Billion.....but that's spread out over 60+ years too....Just the Shuttle Program has cost about $145 Billion....

Of course how much the US have spent IS my point....they have the toys and gear to use them ( lift bodies, shuttles, Kennedy Space Cetnre etc)....and they'll us (Australia) send up our space hardware and scientists using their rockets.....so why do we need to duplicate existing technology and infrastructure???

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 4:26pm:

Well it's not too late to join up with Dr No and his Luddite brigade. You'd fit in really well ;) And which of my posts are wrong ?

Starting from this one and working my way back, I'd say nearly all of them are fundamentally flawed in one fashion or another.

What they lack in factual evidence or cognitive reasoning, they more than make up for in personal abuse as their underlying foundation.

They are churlish and ill-conceived with little or no intellectual depth, it's like reading the writings of a child suffering form ADHD, frustrated with the complexities of existence.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

A lot more than $20 Billion.....but that's spread out over 60+ years too....Just the Shuttle Program has cost about $145 Billion.... Of course how much the US have spent IS my point....they have the toys and gear to use them ( lift bodies, shuttles, Kennedy Space Cetnre etc)....and they'll us (Australia) send up our space hardware and scientists using their rockets.....so why do we need to duplicate existing technology and infrastructure???

Yes and the technological spin-offs are immense creating millions of jobs in new technologies and new products. But we don't want that here because we can create lots of fake jobs for public servants looking out the window and filling out some bullshit paper work. That makes much more sense doesn't it :(

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 4:41pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 4:26pm: Well it's not too late to join up with Dr No and his Luddite brigade. You'd fit in really well ;) And which of my posts are wrong ? Starting from this one and working my way back, I'd say nearly all of them are fundamentally flawed in one fashion or another. What they lack in factual evidence or cognitive reasoning, they more than make up for in personal abuse as their underlying foundation. They are churlish and ill-conceived with little or no intellectual depth, it's like reading the writings of a child suffering form ADHD, frustrated with the complexities of existence.

Which one idiot ??

I back up all of my posts with actual irrefutable evidence as per the start of this thread. I cannot help it if you are deaf dumb and blind.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 4:46pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 4:29pm: A lot more than $20 Billion.....but that's spread out over 60+ years too....Just the Shuttle Program has cost about $145 Billion.... Of course how much the US have spent IS my point....they have the toys and gear to use them ( lift bodies, shuttles, Kennedy Space Cetnre etc)....and they'll us (Australia) send up our space hardware and scientists using their rockets.....so why do we need to duplicate existing technology and infrastructure??? Yes and the technological spin-offs are immense creating millions of jobs in new technologies and new products. But we don't want that here because we can create lots of fake jobs for public servants looking out the window and filling out some bullshit paper work. That makes much more sense doesn't it :(

Very good....that's almost true....Except that the 'technological spin-offs' already exist (in your home) and none of it is 'new technology'....Do you seriously think that building a space flight centre is going let us discover something the US, Russia, China, or the EU space flight centres haven't already found???

Hey, maybe we could invent a microwave oven???? ;D ;D

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 4:41pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 4:26pm: Well it's not too late to join up with Dr No and his Luddite brigade. You'd fit in really well ;) And which of my posts are wrong ? Starting from this one and working my way back, I'd say nearly all of them are fundamentally flawed in one fashion or another. What they lack in factual evidence or cognitive reasoning, they more than make up for in personal abuse as their underlying foundation. They are churlish and ill-conceived with little or no intellectual depth, it's like reading the writings of a child suffering form ADHD, frustrated with the complexities of existence. Which one idiot ?? I back up all of my posts with actual irrefutable evidence as per the start of this thread. I cannot help it if you are deaf dumb and blind.

If by irrefutable evidence you mean personal opinion and abuse then sure, why not.  ;D

BTW it's been several hours and only you and fist puppet are in agreement with the Aussie space program, maybe you, booby and Newt Gingrich could discuss launching an Aussie Moon Base when he's done with the US Primaries  ;D

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 4:53pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 4:46pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 4:29pm: A lot more than $20 Billion.....but that's spread out over 60+ years too....Just the Shuttle Program has cost about $145 Billion.... Of course how much the US have spent IS my point....they have the toys and gear to use them ( lift bodies, shuttles, Kennedy Space Cetnre etc)....and they'll us (Australia) send up our space hardware and scientists using their rockets.....so why do we need to duplicate existing technology and infrastructure??? Yes and the technological spin-offs are immense creating millions of jobs in new technologies and new products. But we don't want that here because we can create lots of fake jobs for public servants looking out the window and filling out some bullshit paper work. That makes much more sense doesn't it :( Very good....that's almost true....Except that the 'technological spin-offs' already exist (in your home) and none of it is 'new technology'....Do you seriously think that building a space flight centre is going let us discover something the US, Russia, China, or the EU space flight centres haven't already found??? Hey, maybe we could invent a microwave oven???? ;D ;D

Or maybe we could be launching the two communications satellites that we are now paying an American firm 630 million to do. Or maybe we could be launching satellites for other countries. But perish the thought of having an export industry. That's total heresy for someone as backward and as stupid as you are.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 5:01pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 4:49pm: BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 4:41pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 4:26pm: Well it's not too late to join up with Dr No and his Luddite brigade. You'd fit in really well ;) And which of my posts are wrong ? Starting from this one and working my way back, I'd say nearly all of them are fundamentally flawed in one fashion or another. What they lack in factual evidence or cognitive reasoning, they more than make up for in personal abuse as their underlying foundation. They are churlish and ill-conceived with little or no intellectual depth, it's like reading the writings of a child suffering form ADHD, frustrated with the complexities of existence. Which one idiot ?? I back up all of my posts with actual irrefutable evidence as per the start of this thread. I cannot help it if you are deaf dumb and blind. If by irrefutable evidence you mean personal opinion and abuse then sure, why not.  ;D BTW it's been several hours and only you and fist puppet are in agreement with the Aussie space program, maybe you, booby and Newt Gingrich could discuss launching an Aussie Moon Base when he's done with the US Primaries  ;D

Which part of what is on the video my personal opinion ??

Fact - we don't have a space program,
Fact - we can't launch satellites
Fact - we have to pay a US firm 630 million to launch two communication satellites which I assume are also made by them

Which part of that is my personal opinion ??

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 5:19pm:

Which part of what is on the video my personal opinion ?? Fact - we don't have a space program, Fact - we can't launch satellites Fact - we have to pay a US firm 630 million to launch two communication satellites which I assume are also made by them Which part of that is my personal opinion ??

Your personal opinion, includes

That we NEED a space program

We can AFFORD a space program

That a space program would BENEFIT us

That it's just political WILL stopping us from having a space program


Show me the irrefutable evidence that covers those opinions and you might look less of a whiny loser.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 5:26pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 5:19pm: Which part of what is on the video my personal opinion ?? Fact - we don't have a space program, Fact - we can't launch satellites Fact - we have to pay a US firm 630 million to launch two communication satellites which I assume are also made by them Which part of that is my personal opinion ?? Your personal opinion, includes That we NEED a space program We can AFFORD a space program That a space program would BENEFIT us That it's just political WILL stopping us from having a space program Show me the irrefutable evidence that covers those opinions and you might look less of a whiny loser.

and this is your only argument against it. :D LOL


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You two need to step outside and get a big dose of reality, we are NOT china or the US we ARE limited by population and money to engage in the big techy stuff, this is just a reality, not a conspiracy against you two.

Don't make or have electric cars either because if you drive a jeep wankler 10k's each week it will help save money at the fossil fool bowser :D LOL

Looks like I have lost those two arguments :D LOL

What a dipshit

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 4:41pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 4:26pm: Well it's not too late to join up with Dr No and his Luddite brigade. You'd fit in really well ;) And which of my posts are wrong ? Starting from this one and working my way back, I'd say nearly all of them are fundamentally flawed in one fashion or another. What they lack in factual evidence or cognitive reasoning, they more than make up for in personal abuse as their underlying foundation. They are churlish and ill-conceived with little or no intellectual depth, it's like reading the writings of a child suffering form ADHD, frustrated with the complexities of existence.

Big boy,
Nail has given exhaustive evidence for all his writings -
especially electric cars.
As for being churlish - you're the one who is rude & vulgar.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 6:55pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 4:41pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 4:26pm: Well it's not too late to join up with Dr No and his Luddite brigade. You'd fit in really well ;) And which of my posts are wrong ? Starting from this one and working my way back, I'd say nearly all of them are fundamentally flawed in one fashion or another. What they lack in factual evidence or cognitive reasoning, they more than make up for in personal abuse as their underlying foundation. They are churlish and ill-conceived with little or no intellectual depth, it's like reading the writings of a child suffering form ADHD, frustrated with the complexities of existence. Big boy, Nail has given exhaustive evidence for all his writings - especially electric cars. As for being churlish - you're the one who is rude & vulgar.

There's an old saying that applies to some of these posters. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing ;)

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 6:10pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 5:26pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 5:19pm: Which part of what is on the video my personal opinion ?? Fact - we don't have a space program, Fact - we can't launch satellites Fact - we have to pay a US firm 630 million to launch two communication satellites which I assume are also made by them Which part of that is my personal opinion ?? Your personal opinion, includes That we NEED a space program We can AFFORD a space program That a space program would BENEFIT us That it's just political WILL stopping us from having a space program Show me the irrefutable evidence that covers those opinions and you might look less of a whiny loser. and this is your only argument against it. :D LOL

So, in your mind, not having a NEED for, or not being able to AFFORD, or providing NO solid benefit is not a valid argument for not entering, sorry re-entering the space program. (sorry about the triple negative, i know easy it is to confuse you)

Most normal people would consider that a very solid argument, well except you and fist puppet.

I see it's still only you and puppet who have voted yes to the Aussie Moon Base.  ;D

I drive a Jeep because I like the Jeep and I can afford the fuel costs, I don't need to scrimp and save to fill my tank, that naturally comes with earning decent money.

But you keep whinging the good whinge, ya loser

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 5:16pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 4:53pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 4:46pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 4:29pm: A lot more than $20 Billion.....but that's spread out over 60+ years too....Just the Shuttle Program has cost about $145 Billion.... Of course how much the US have spent IS my point....they have the toys and gear to use them ( lift bodies, shuttles, Kennedy Space Cetnre etc)....and they'll us (Australia) send up our space hardware and scientists using their rockets.....so why do we need to duplicate existing technology and infrastructure??? Yes and the technological spin-offs are immense creating millions of jobs in new technologies and new products. But we don't want that here because we can create lots of fake jobs for public servants looking out the window and filling out some bullshit paper work. That makes much more sense doesn't it :( Very good....that's almost true....Except that the 'technological spin-offs' already exist (in your home) and none of it is 'new technology'....Do you seriously think that building a space flight centre is going let us discover something the US, Russia, China, or the EU space flight centres haven't already found??? Hey, maybe we could invent a microwave oven???? ;D ;D Or maybe we could be launching the two communications satellites that we are now paying an American firm 630 million to do. Or maybe we could be launching satellites for other countries. But perish the thought of having an export industry. That's total heresy for someone as backward and as stupid as you are.

Well if holding up the launch for 15 or more years, and spending $20 Billion instead of $620 million (not $630m), is what you consider 'clever', I suppose we could........As for launching for other countries.....WHICH ONES???? Russia, China and Japan have their own launch pads, America has as well....and the European Space Agency works out of the Guiana Space Centre and it (the ESA) is made up of 19 countries in Europe....
So who would we be launching satellites for????

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 6:55pm:

Big boy, Nail has given exhaustive evidence for all his writings - especially electric cars. As for being churlish - you're the one who is rude & vulgar.

Yeah Fist Puppet, that's not what churlish means and neither does repeating ones opinion over and over define 'exhaustive evidence'.


Looks like you losers did get one single other person to agree with you, well worth the effort put in; kudos to you and nails.  ;D

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 11:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 11:27pm: Hi Nail, Good video. I am embarrassed to live amongst so many low achievers in this country when other countries are in the space race. They have their own military satelites to add to their national security. They can take high resolution photos of other countries & eavesdrop on phone systems & other communications. We are quite at good at sport though. how can we ever get into the space race when there are people like badweekend who think that dial-up internet is more than adequate :(

But the point is we don't think dial up intenet is adequete for our needs, we want better, but will they provide it, NO there just making money for themselfs with there services and STUFF the cusmstomer.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 6:57am:

So, in your mind, not having a NEED for, or not being able to AFFORD, or providing NO solid benefit is not a valid argument for not entering, sorry re-entering the space program. (sorry about the triple negative, i know easy it is to confuse you) Most normal people would consider that a very solid argument, well except you and fist puppet. I see it's still only you and puppet who have voted yes to the Aussie Moon Base.  ;D I drive a Jeep because I like the Jeep and I can afford the fuel costs, I don't need to scrimp and save to fill my tank, that naturally comes with earning decent money. But you keep whinging the good whinge, ya loser

And what was your solution to the rising cost of fossil fools ??

You had no solution and you still think you won the argument :D LOL

"Leave the hi-techy things to china" you said.  Maybe you can offer china your great visionary advice in exchange for their "hi-techy things". What a f.cken deadbeat you are :( You musty be a public servant of some sort !!

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2012 at 7:08am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 6:55pm: Big boy, Nail has given exhaustive evidence for all his writings - especially electric cars. As for being churlish - you're the one who is rude & vulgar. Yeah Fist Puppet, that's not what churlish means and neither does repeating ones opinion over and over define 'exhaustive evidence'. Looks like you losers did get one single other person to agree with you, well worth the effort put in; kudos to you and nails.  ;D

Definition of CHURLISH


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/churlish

Quote:

1:  of, resembling, or characteristic of a churl : vulgar 2:  marked by a lack of civility or graciousness : surly 3:  difficult to work with or deal with : intractable <churlish soil>

Big idiot,
Stop using words where you don't know what they mean you ignorant flamer.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2012 at 7:08am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 6:55pm: Big boy, Nail has given exhaustive evidence for all his writings - especially electric cars. As for being churlish - you're the one who is rude & vulgar. Yeah Fist Puppet, that's not what churlish means and neither does repeating ones opinion over and over define 'exhaustive evidence'. Looks like you losers did get one single other person to agree with you, well worth the effort put in; kudos to you and nails.  ;D

That's because the ones who voted no are visionary vacuum's and technical ignoramuses who think that a job in the public service counting windows is a mark of success :(

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 8:20am:

Well if holding up the launch for 15 or more years, and spending $20 Billion instead of $620 million (not $630m), is what you consider 'clever', I suppose we could........As for launching for other countries.....WHICH ONES???? Russia, China and Japan have their own launch pads, America has as well....and the European Space Agency works out of the Guiana Space Centre and it (the ESA) is made up of 19 countries in Europe.... So who would we be launching satellites for????

We had 40 years to get something going but we didn't !! So what happened ??

Just like we had 12 years to get a commercial home grown hybrid/EV going when the CSIRO designed the E-commodore back in 2000 and now it's stuck in a Museum whilst Holden keeps holding out its hand for more money to make more of the same fossil fool junk :(

Obviously there were people like you making bad decisions on behalf of the country :(

CIA fears Iran has data downed drone failed to dump

A comprehensive CIA investigation reportedly fails to find the cause of the US drone going down in Iran last year, raising fears that the aircraft failed to dump sensitive data.

FOX News quoted a former intelligence official as saying that CIA's comprehensive, 10-week review was unable to replicate the “malfunction” that brought down the RQ-170 Sentinel drone in Iran.

The report supports Iran’s claims that the reconnaissance was cyberjacked by the army’s electronic warfare unit and eased to a safe landing while deep in Iranian territory on December 4.

Washington originally denied the loss of the drone before changing its story and insisting that contact was lost with the aircraft during a surveillance mission over neighboring Afghanistan.

“Investigators were focusing on how to prevent a repeat of the incident in the future, but without the hardware or the drone - Iran refused to return it - those efforts have been frustrated,” the report added.

US President Barack Obama finally broke his silence on the issue on December 12 and announced that Washington had asked Tehran to return the drone.

“We've asked for it back. We'll see how the Iranians respond,” Obama said.

Iran, however, responded that the drone is now its “national asset” and had undertaken reverse engineering procedures on the US spy plane. Tehran said it had necessary technology to decode the captured US drone's data and documents.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/226024.html

You see aussies pull themselves over how smart they are and how many houses they own and they can't even organize a rocket to launch a satellite. They can't even make cars without having to pay bribe money to a multinational corporation :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11^th, 2012 at 12:44pm:

You see aussies pull themselves over how smart they are and how many houses they own and they can't even organize a rocket to launch a satellite. They can't even make cars without having to pay bribe money to a multinational corporation :(

And, even though, you aren't smart enough to accept or understand it, the same reason applies to both those things....

And that answer is, there isn't enough financial return involved to justify the expenditure....

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2012 at 1:04pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:44pm: You see aussies pull themselves over how smart they are and how many houses they own and they can't even organize a rocket to launch a satellite. They can't even make cars without having to pay bribe money to a multinational corporation :( And, even though, you aren't smart enough to accept or understand it, the same reason applies to both those things.... And that answer is, there isn't enough financial return involved to justify the expenditure....

How is it that the Germans have their OWN car industries and manufacture premium quality cars for both the local and export markets which sell for a premium price. Maybe watch the traffic sometime. I'm sure you will see quite a few German made cars ;)

They obviously don't employ idiots like you to make important decisions.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11^th, 2012 at 1:09pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:04pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:44pm: You see aussies pull themselves over how smart they are and how many houses they own and they can't even organize a rocket to launch a satellite. They can't even make cars without having to pay bribe money to a multinational corporation :( And, even though, you aren't smart enough to accept or understand it, the same reason applies to both those things.... And that answer is, there isn't enough financial return involved to justify the expenditure.... How is it that the Germans have their OWN car industries and manufacture premium quality cars for both the local and export markets which sell for a premium price. Maybe watch the traffic sometime. I'm sure you will see quite a few German made cars ;) They obviously don't employ idiots like you to make important decisions.

Holden, Ford, Toyota....

And just so you know....
BMW is a mulitnational company (it also owns Rolls-Royce among others)
Volkswagon AG is a multinational (Audi, Bentley,Lamborgini, Skoda, Bugati, Volkswagon passenger and commercial, Scania and MAN...a total of 10 companies)
Opel is owned by General Motors
Porsche is a holding company that owns motor car, motorcycle and aircraft makers ( and a good chunk of Volkswagon AG)
Daimler AG is also a multinational company (it owns Mercedes-Benz and 85% of Mitusbishi Fuso trucks and 10% of Telsa Motors, among otheres)...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2012 at 1:12pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:09pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:04pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:44pm: You see aussies pull themselves over how smart they are and how many houses they own and they can't even organize a rocket to launch a satellite. They can't even make cars without having to pay bribe money to a multinational corporation :( And, even though, you aren't smart enough to accept or understand it, the same reason applies to both those things.... And that answer is, there isn't enough financial return involved to justify the expenditure.... How is it that the Germans have their OWN car industries and manufacture premium quality cars for both the local and export markets which sell for a premium price. Maybe watch the traffic sometime. I'm sure you will see quite a few German made cars ;) They obviously don't employ idiots like you to make important decisions. Holden, Ford, Toyota....

None of those are Australian companies. Thyue are multinational companies that are paid off to make cars here.

And how many Holden Commodores and Ford Falcons are sold in Germany vs how many Audi's, VW's, Mercedes, BMW's are sold here ??

You are pulling yourself again as usual.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11^th, 2012 at 1:22pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:12pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:09pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:04pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:44pm: You see aussies pull themselves over how smart they are and how many houses they own and they can't even organize a rocket to launch a satellite. They can't even make cars without having to pay bribe money to a multinational corporation :( And, even though, you aren't smart enough to accept or understand it, the same reason applies to both those things.... And that answer is, there isn't enough financial return involved to justify the expenditure.... How is it that the Germans have their OWN car industries and manufacture premium quality cars for both the local and export markets which sell for a premium price. Maybe watch the traffic sometime. I'm sure you will see quite a few German made cars ;) They obviously don't employ idiots like you to make important decisions. Holden, Ford, Toyota.... None of those are Australian companies. Thyue are multinational companies that are paid off to make cars here. And how many Holden Commodores and Ford Falcons are sold in Germany vs how many Audi's, VW's, Mercedes, BMW's are sold here ?? You are pulling yourself again as usual.

Holden commodore is sold in Germany under the brand name Opel...

ALL the worlds major car companies are multinational, and own each others stocks....

And I was right...you aren't smart enough to work it out....

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:22pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:12pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:09pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:04pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:44pm: You see aussies pull themselves over how smart they are and how many houses they own and they can't even organize a rocket to launch a satellite. They can't even make cars without having to pay bribe money to a multinational corporation :( And, even though, you aren't smart enough to accept or understand it, the same reason applies to both those things.... And that answer is, there isn't enough financial return involved to justify the expenditure.... How is it that the Germans have their OWN car industries and manufacture premium quality cars for both the local and export markets which sell for a premium price. Maybe watch the traffic sometime. I'm sure you will see quite a few German made cars ;) They obviously don't employ idiots like you to make important decisions. Holden, Ford, Toyota.... None of those are Australian companies. Thyue are multinational companies that are paid off to make cars here. And how many Holden Commodores and Ford Falcons are sold in Germany vs how many Audi's, VW's, Mercedes, BMW's are sold here ?? You are pulling yourself again as usual. Holden commodore is sold in Germany under the brand name Opel... ALL the worlds major car companies are multinational, and own each others stocks.... And I was right...you aren't smart enough to work it out....

And how many Commodores are exported to Germany ??

And which German car manufacturers are German  owned versus which Australian Car manufacturers are Australian owned ??

You probably aren't smart enough to work that one out. Idiot !!

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11^th, 2012 at 2:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:32pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:22pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:12pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:09pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 1:04pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 12:44pm: You see aussies pull themselves over how smart they are and how many houses they own and they can't even organize a rocket to launch a satellite. They can't even make cars without having to pay bribe money to a multinational corporation :( And, even though, you aren't smart enough to accept or understand it, the same reason applies to both those things.... And that answer is, there isn't enough financial return involved to justify the expenditure.... How is it that the Germans have their OWN car industries and manufacture premium quality cars for both the local and export markets which sell for a premium price. Maybe watch the traffic sometime. I'm sure you will see quite a few German made cars ;) They obviously don't employ idiots like you to make important decisions. Holden, Ford, Toyota.... None of those are Australian companies. Thyue are multinational companies that are paid off to make cars here. And how many Holden Commodores and Ford Falcons are sold in Germany vs how many Audi's, VW's, Mercedes, BMW's are sold here ?? You are pulling yourself again as usual. Holden commodore is sold in Germany under the brand name Opel... ALL the worlds major car companies are multinational, and own each others stocks.... And I was right...you aren't smart enough to work it out.... And how many Commodores are exported to Germany ?? And which German car manufacturers are German  owned versus which Australian Car manufacturers are Australian owned ?? You probably aren't smart enough to work that one out. Idiot !!

Since the Holden Commodore is an Australian version of the Opel Commodore...not many....Most GMH models are rebadged Opels.....

Anyway.....we've digressed from the original point...

German car manfacturers are multinationals (even if they are based in German), so when the Germans build cars, they are STILL dealing with multinationals....just like Australian companies do...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2012 at 2:11pm:

Since the Holden Commodore is an Australian version of the Opel Commodore...not many....Most GMH models are rebadged Opels.....

So no Australian cars are actually exported to Germany !!

And how is that the Germans can set up German OWNED car manufacturing plants and manufacture cars for the local and export industry ??

You can't say that it has anything to do with price because most of their cars sell at the premium end of the market. What is your lame piss weak excuse now ??

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 11^th, 2012 at 2:58pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 2:11pm: Since the Holden Commodore is an Australian version of the Opel Commodore...not many....Most GMH models are rebadged Opels..... So no Australian cars are actually exported to Germany !! And how is that the Germans can set up German OWNED car manufacturing plants and manufacture cars for the local and export industry ?? You can't say that it has anything to do with price because most of their cars sell at the premium end of the market. What is your lame piss weak excuse now ??

Why would the germans import a car almost identical to a locally produced one??

No, actually they're not....mercedes cars are about the same comparitive price as a commodore or falcon....

The police and taxi drivers use mercedes in germany, same as the police/taxis used holden or ford....

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 11^th, 2012 at 2:25pm:

Anyway.....we've digressed from the original point... German car manfacturers are multinationals (even if they are based in German), so when the Germans build cars, they are STILL dealing with multinationals....just like Australian companies do...

WTF does that mean ??

They are German car manufacturers owned by Germans not multinational car manufacturers owned by another country !!

There is a big difference you know !!

Bobby. wrote on Feb 11^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 7:08am: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 6:55pm: Big boy, Nail has given exhaustive evidence for all his writings - especially electric cars. As for being churlish - you're the one who is rude & vulgar. Yeah Fist Puppet, that's not what churlish means and neither does repeating ones opinion over and over define 'exhaustive evidence'. Looks like you losers did get one single other person to agree with you, well worth the effort put in; kudos to you and nails.  ;D Definition of CHURLISH http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/churlish Quote: 1:  of, resembling, or characteristic of a churl : vulgar 2:  marked by a lack of civility or graciousness : surly 3:  difficult to work with or deal with : intractable <churlish soil> Big idiot, Stop using words where you don't know what they mean you ignorant flamer.

No apology yet from big idiot.

No apology yet from big idiot.

Hey Nails your boyfriend just called you an idiot!!

blackadder wrote on Feb 11^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

No apology yet from big idiot. Hey Nails your boyfriend just called you an idiot!!

Bio ol wanker is a closet liberal. He must be so embarrassed to come out of the closet :D LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 12^th, 2012 at 9:37am:

blackadder wrote on Feb 11th, 2012 at 4:20pm: No apology yet from big idiot. Hey Nails your boyfriend just called you an idiot!! Bio ol wanker is a closet liberal. He must be so embarrassed to come out of the closet :D LOL

Hi Nail,
Don't you mean that Big Ol is a closet homosexual?

... wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

What's so good about going to space?  It's got novelty value, but when that wears off........it's just a pointless exercise.

Yeah, what good has ever come to society from going into space? Holy crap, some people are naive.

http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/index.html

NBNMyths wrote on Feb 12^th, 2012 at 10:03am:

... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:19am: What's so good about going to space?  It's got novelty value, but when that wears off........it's just a pointless exercise. Yeah, what good has ever come to society from going into space? Holy crap, some people are naive. http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/index.html

Good post -
the fact is that if those towel heads can launch their
own satellites then we should be able to do it too.

NBNMyths wrote on Feb 12^th, 2012 at 10:03am:

... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:19am: What's so good about going to space?  It's got novelty value, but when that wears off........it's just a pointless exercise. Yeah, what good has ever come to society from going into space? Holy crap, some people are naive. http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/index.html

Just the huge array of technological spin-offs including communications satellites ;)

Unfortunately the liberal voting Luddites wished it never happened of course :(

... wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:36am: ... wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:19am: What's so good about going to space?  It's got novelty value, but when that wears off........it's just a pointless exercise. It's what they are putting into space that counts. Maybe think about that the next time you use your GPS ;) Don't have a GPS, I even turned down a free one on principle.  I have a device called a "map" that does the same job.

What you have is ignorance Honky. You show it in economics, in your attitude to racism and right there. It's a pity, you're capable of critical thinking I know.