Jan wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 4:13pm:

Quote: And in the night, i [sometimes] also have dreams and visions. From time to time, 'awake' in my dreams [at night], i also have conversations with angels. Everyone dreams even if they don't remember them, some people have visions and some are prophetic in nature. But having conversations with angels stems from your over religiousity.

Is that right ?     ;D


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Quote:

I believe angels exist in the form of 'guardians' but they don't 'speak', and are not visible, again you believe too fervently in the words of man.

That is not my experience.

Angels can be our 'guardians' and spirit 'guides', in dreams.

I believe that angels can, and do, manifest themselves in this world, but i have never seen an angel in this world, while awake, in my body.

But i often encounter angels within my dreams.

And those angels have a visible, bodily 'form', and they can speak to me, one on one.

And it can be an exhilarating experience, when you have a waking dream [i.e. your body is asleep, you are dreaming, and you wake up, in your dream], and you are having a conversation with an angel!

But, it has been some years, since my last such, 'direct', 'waking encounter' with a 'guiding' angel, within a dream.

But i dream often, and i often will recognise 'incognito' angels within my dreams.

What do i mean by 'incognito' angels ?



When awake, in our bodies, some people drink alcohol, one reason why they drink, is so as to break down their inhibitions.

But in the dream state we will often 'naturally' act in an uninhibited way.

And it has been my experience that in a [in my] dreams, an angel will sometimes present themselves as a 'character' in a dream, and sometimes an angel will act as an 'agent provocateur' within the dream.

Not to do us harm, but [i believe that] they do this simply to 'draw us out', SO THAT >> WE << CAN SEE, WHO WE REALLY ARE.

i.e.
The things [the actions] which we are prepared to do within our dream scenarios, can reveal to us 'where we stand', spiritually, morally.




If you have bad dreams, imo, you need to confront the 'contents' of your dreams.

IMO, bad dreams are a warning [to us], that our real life, is in some way, 'wrong'.

What's that you say?

You don't want to confront the 'wrong-ness' in your life ?

OK, then continue to have the bad dreams!



Personally, i don't experience bad dreams.

I can remember having one disturbing ['challenging'] dream about 18 months ago, but before that i can't remember when i last had a bad dream.

I almost always have pleasant dreams.

And i often have very interesting dreams.



I have even had [2010-Jan-31] a waking dream, where i encountered a very 'demonstrative' demon.

I 'awoke' in my dream, and the demon was trying his hardest to frighten me.  [<--- In my dream, i recognised that that was his primary 'objective'. And i was NOT frightened at all. Why not? Because i was lucid.]

I called out to God.

The demon instantly disappeared.



Job 7:13
When I say, My bed shall comfort me, my couch shall ease my complaint;
14  Then thou scarest me with dreams, and terrifiest me through visions:
15  So that my soul chooseth strangling, and death rather than my life.


Job 33:14
For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.
15  In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;
16  Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,
17  That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.


Psalms 73:16
When I thought to know this, it was too painful for me;
17  Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end.
18  Surely thou didst set them in slippery places: thou castedst them down into destruction.
19  How are they brought into desolation, as in a moment! they are utterly consumed with terrors.
20  As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image.

Jan wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 4:13pm:

Quote: Later, when i am awake in my body, i do not 'hear voices' in my head. Never have.[And if i did, knowing what i know, i would be very worried.] Your inner voice is not 'heard' it is FELT, from within, it is an emotion. And I would worry just a little about those conversations you have with angels too .

"....it is FELT, from within,"


Exactly so.

I am not entirely happy with your words, 'it is an emotion'.

I prefer, a 'knowing'.

i.e.
It is a 'small voice', but there is nothing auditory, more of a sudden 'knowing', that was not 'apparent' to me, a moment before.

I can happily say that when i feel the presence of this 'knowing', i feel the presence of this guide in my heart, as 'silly' as that sounds.



I see this 'small voice' within, as my 'conscience', but also as 'more' than that too.

e.g.
If i am awake and doing some physical activity, and in the next moment i consciously choose to 'zig' [i.e. to take a particular 'path'], and sometimes i will/could 'instantly' 'know', and be 'told' that;

"No, you shouldn't 'zig', you should 'zag'."

[I can't give the example in my past, were taking this advice 'may' have saved my life, as it could reveal info about my RL identity. My past.]

I almost always follow such 'knowing' advice, when i 'hear' it.

Though i know that i can still 'zig', OR, 'zag'.

The choice is still left to me.

Jan wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 4:13pm:

Quote: Later, when i am awake in my body, i do not 'hear voices' in my head. Never have.[And if i did, knowing what i know, i would be very worried.] ........ God really does work in mysterious ways ... He provided us with the necessary 'tools' to deal with problems for ourselves, intelligence, a thought processor, emotions, conscience and freewill. The true God does not judge, freewill makes us our own judge and jury.

Our freewill in this life gives us the opportunity to;
1/ make choices,
2/ make mistakes [through those choices],
3/ [subsequently] recognise our mistakes [as, mistakes!],
4/ [subsequently, the opportunity] change the way we choose, 'next time'.


Biblically, the end of that process is called, repentance.



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You said;

"The true God does not judge,..."

Not true [imo].



In my experience, if God does not punish us, that is because we are not considered to be 'child material'.

And imo, such people live their lives oblivious of God [and a spiritual realm].

And imo, God seems to have 'cast off' these people.
.....[perhaps because their spirit [the spirit within them] is TOO 'rebellious' and proud ???? ]

And imo, God [usually, often] does not overtly punish these people for the wickedness they do in their lives.
....coz, my guess is, that their fate will be, as a spiritual smudge on God's 'windscreen'.


Psalms 73:6
Therefore pride compasseth them about as a chain; violence covereth them as a garment.
7  Their eyes stand out with fatness: they have more than heart could wish.
8  They are corrupt, and speak wickedly concerning oppression: they speak loftily.
9  They set their mouth against the heavens, and their tongue walketh through the earth.
10  Therefore his people return hither: and waters of a full cup are wrung out to them.
11  And they say, How doth God know? and is there knowledge in the most High?
12  Behold, these are the ungodly, who prosper in the world; they increase in riches.


Psalms 37:7
Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.


Psalms 5:4
....thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.




Whereas, if you are 'child material' [in God's eyes], then God [the spirit] will 'monitor' your actions [your choices], and when you make a bad choice, he will chastise you, in an effort to bring you back to the correct path.



Jeremiah 18:1
The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
2  Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words.
3  Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.
4  And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
5  Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
6  O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.



Romans 9:19
Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20  Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21  Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22  What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23  And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24  Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?



Hebrews 12:5
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6  For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7  If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8  But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9  Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10  For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11  Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.


Proverbs 15:10
Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.


Proverbs 3:11
My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:
12  For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Jan wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 4:13pm:

........The man written so-called holy books have stolen Gods 'authority' and use the words for their own agenda, To CONTROL.

Jan,

And if we 'intellectually' know that [...that some men will seek to usurp God's authority], then in that act of 'coming to knowledge', we have dis-empowered that 'agency' of the control of un-Godly men, over us.
.....unless we pay it lip service to those men, in the sight of other men.

Yes ?



more here, on men usurping God's authority....
The Problem of Evil
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1304541795/93#93


And what of the great foretold 'Antichrist' 'figure' ???

LOL

'He', is already among us....

>> We << are the 'Antichrist'.

We.

All of mankind, who are in rebellion against God's authority, and [spiritual] righteousness.

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Who is the 'Antichrist', if it is NOT the unpenitent individual ???

Duh! Duh! Duh!


Dictionary;
penitent = = feeling or showing sorrow and regret for having done wrong.





Eyes to see ?

It's good that you don't have bad dreams, Yadda. I rarely have them now, but I had a lot when I was a child and young adult.


About angels or spirit guides- I was at a guided meditation and healing gathering when I was about 19 and my concentration kept being broken by this woman staring at me from across the circle. At the ended of the guided part of the meditation, you're often given time to 'wander' and when it was over we all spoke about our experience. The woman who had been staring pointed right at me and said that she could see a woman standing behind me to my left who looked like me but older. She said she was giving off a very loving and protective vibe, but it creeped me out nonetheless. I thought perhaps the woman in the circle was a nut, but apparently she was a well respected member of that community.

I never went back  ;D

Anyway, I was adopted so I wondered briefly if it had something to do with my birth mother, but I met her a couple of years later and after seeing her I know it didn't  ;D

Yadda wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 1:38am:

I 'awoke' in my dream, and the demon was trying his hardest to frighten me.  [<--- In my dream, i recognised that that was his primary 'objective'. And i was NOT frightened at all. Why not? Because i was lucid.] I called out to God. The demon instantly disappeared.

See a psychiatrist Yadda.

Anyone with as much hate in their heart for people cruelly subjected to a genocidal war and loves the people subjecting them to that war needs to have their head  examined.

What kind of psychadelic substance do you use to induce these dreams of yours, cannabis? magic mushrooms, crystal meths What?

Religion used Magic mushrooms for their visions and look what they came up with ... GLOBALIZATION!!!!

Jan wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 1:39pm:

See a psychiatrist Yadda. Anyone with as much hate in their heart for people cruelly subjected to a genocidal war and loves the people subjecting them to that war needs to have their head  examined. What kind of psychadelic substance do you use to induce these dreams of yours, cannabis? magic mushrooms, crystal meths What? Religion used Magic mushrooms for their visions and look what they came up with ... GLOBALIZATION!!!!

Jan,

What are you?

Irrational?

Or, a contradictory idiot?

Or, all of the above ?



You profess that you abhor the control [manipulation] of mankind, by organised religion [causing men to surrender their souls to the control of [other] men] ???


Jan wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 4:13pm:

........The man written so-called holy books have stolen Gods 'authority' and use the words for their own agenda, >> To CONTROL. <<

Men use 'religion' to control other men.  [<--- Yes, they do!]

But then you suggest that it is OK if i surrender my soul, to the control of another man, because he/she is different type of flawed man/woman [i.e. a psychiatrist] ???

Because he/she is a 'non-religious' flawed man/woman.

Bizarre logic, imo.




So, you are proposing that it is OK, to surrender our personal 'sovereignty' to others, when that other 'authority' is of a non-religious 'nature' ???

That, is what you are proposing.

You are proposing, that [some] individuals can not, and should not be responsible, for their own personal 'sovereignty'.

Yes, you are, an IDIOT! , imo.

And you are promoting a contradictory, and a bizarre logic, imo.




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Jan,

So you trust the integrity of [some] men, particularly, the integrity of psychiatrists ???


Jan,

Look at teh state of the world, i.e. look at the state of human political affairs around the world, today.

It is the 'wisdom' of men [just like 'rational' psychiatrists !! ] that has brought us to where we are today.

[To my eyes, almost all men and women are irrational, and mad [insane]. And for me, that madness/insanity 'manifests' most clearly, in our 'collective' unwillingness to accept responsibility for the consequences of our own choices.]

But, Yadda, should see a psychiatrist ?         ;D




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I posted this thread in the 'Fringe' board.

I am not ashamed of my views being termed 'fringe', or of myself being categorised as a 'whacko', .......by normal people.

I know that i am not 'normal', i know that i am not 'mainstream',
......and i know that i am on the 'fringe' of humanity.

Thank God!    :)          :D






Jan,

And likewise, i am happy for people with views such as those which you exhibit, to be categorised as 'normal'.       ;D


'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0




Dictionary;
contradictory = = mutually opposed or inconsistent. containing inconsistent elements.


Dictionary;
idiot = =
1 informal a stupid person.
2 Medicine, archaic a mentally handicapped person.


Dictionary;
exhibit = =
1 publicly display (an item) in an art gallery or museum.
2 manifest one’s possession of (a quality).  show as a sign or symptom.



And in answer to your question, i do not use any 'recreational' drugs, except alcohol.



Yadda, one of those who is not normal .




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2 Timothy 3:1
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;


Matthew 24:37
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


Genesis 6:5
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
.....
11  The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

Jan wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 1:39pm:

See a psychiatrist Yadda.

Jan,

Can't you 'reason it out', that psychiatrists are just the 'priesthood' of another 'religion' ???




What a silly question to put to a 'normal' person like Jan.           :D

You are such an eeediot Yadda.

Yadda wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

Jan wrote on Feb 5th, 2012 at 1:39pm: See a psychiatrist Yadda. Anyone with as much hate in their heart for people cruelly subjected to a genocidal war and loves the people subjecting them to that war needs to have their head  examined. What kind of psychadelic substance do you use to induce these dreams of yours, cannabis? magic mushrooms, crystal meths What? Religion used Magic mushrooms for their visions and look what they came up with ... GLOBALIZATION!!!! Jan, What are you? Irrational? Or, a contradictory idiot? Or, all of the above ? You profess that you abhor the control [manipulation] of mankind, by organised religion [causing men to surrender their souls to the control of [other] men] ??? But then you suggest that it is OK if i surrender my soul, to the control of another man, because he/she is different type of flawed man/woman [i.e. a psychiatrist] ??? Because he/she is a 'non-religious' flawed man/woman. Bizarre logic, imo.

That's what I meant about you Yadda! You don't know HOW to read mans word (that's ALL 'man' ie men and women, today and yesterday).

You trust WHAT is written without thought to it's true meaning ... do you understand the word "facetious"? Because that was my meaning about a psychiatrist.

I have no more trust (or faith) in psychatry than I do in the bible, because the SAME people invented BOTH. "YOU QUOTE the bible SO OFTEN it has become part of your thought process. Try thinking for your 'self', and work out what is really going on in THIS world .. The word 'bible' for instance is from the Greek word 'biblos', which means "A BOOK, made of papyrus" ... Not THE book of G-d. That one will never BE written.

Consider this: If man wrote the bible and made certain predictions about what would happen in todays world, and those SAME men were a specific and separate group who passed their knowledge and their METHODS down through the centuries to their own 'bretheren', and sent devotees to become 'fishers of MEN' (to become part of "the conspiracy"), is it not logical to think they are the very same people who are in control today (ie Globalists), and able to make their 'biblical' 'Predictions come to fruition?

I thought you would get the irony of my facetiousness.

I am who I say I am, and I love ALL of mankind... I DON'T however think of people who write about G-d's word, and changing the 'order' of our Creator, as being part of 'man-kind'

PS. Stop drinking, and stop quoting a book written by zionists. That may help your 'perceptions'.

PPS The same men who are the decenants of the writers of the bible (biblos), WRITE the bible of today, ie. News PAPERS (papyrus) and every other form of "media" where you get your hatred from ... try 'research' from INDEPENDANT sources, it's far more reliable.

Jan wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 4:07pm:

I am who I say I am, and I love ALL of mankind... I DON'T however think of people who write about G-d's word, and changing the 'order' of our Creator, as being part of 'man-kind'[/color][/size][/b]

Moslems call the Jewish people; The sons of apes and pigs.

Is that what you think of the Jewish people, and Christians, Jan ?

Is that why you think that the Jewish people, and Christians, are NOT part of mankind, Jan ?



It is easy to murder people, people who you do not see as human beings Jan.


Google;
"the sons of apes and pigs"

Yadda wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

Jan wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 4:07pm: I am who I say I am, and I love ALL of mankind... I DON'T however think of people who write about G-d's word, and changing the 'order' of our Creator, as being part of 'man-kind'[/color][/size][/b] Moslems call the Jewish people; The sons of apes and pigs. Is that what you think of the Jewish people, and Christians, Jan ? Is that why you think that the Jewish people, and Christians, are NOT part of mankind, Jan ? It is easy to murder people, people who you do not see as human beings Jan. Google; "the sons of apes and pigs"

You still can't read my words with comprehension, "..people who write about G-d's word, and changing the 'order' of our Creator"

Is an OBVIOUS reference to the writers of the 'bible' ie the zionists who ARE changing 'the ORDER' of our Creator ... Which should be obvious if you read (with comprehension) my words that I wrote previously ... I don't change my meanings willy nilly with each post as you do.

I treat and think of people as I find them, regardless of their religion or their creed, provided they are honest, thoughtful, have a love of ALL man-kind, and don't try to 'convert', or 'distort' anothers intellectual beliefs, (debate is good, distortion is hypocrasy, which you use constantly).

And YES it IS easy to murder, when you don't see man-kind as human beings ... Try reading the Talmud, the most holy of 'books' of the Zionist Jews.

In one volume of the Talmud, Gentiles (non- jews) are called GOYIM (Plural of Goy) which translates to "Beasts" (of the field) ie cattle, sheep, pigs, donkeys, goats etc. Guess that's where the Muslims got their insults from, because the Jews passed on their Talmudic oral (laws) about their views on 'sub-humans' (Gentiles) before the Muslims got their Q'ran.

Google is owned and run by Zionists.

Here's some insight into the Jewish perceptions from a Non-practicing Jew, Professor Israel Shahak: 

"In particular, Professor Shahak is concerned about the behavior of those of his race who adhere to Judaism. He is not one of these himself, and so he is able to look with some degree of objectivity at the mixture of superstition, Jewish chauvinism, and hatred of non-Jews which makes up the Jewish religion and its sacred writings. He deplores traditional Jewish teachings, not only because of the danger that some new Martin Luther will come along and spill the beans to the Gentiles, but because of the spiritually debilitating effect these teachings have had on the Jews themselves. Of the world of medieval Jewry in Europe, the world of the ghetto and the shtetl which modern Jewish writers refer to in euphoric tones as a world of quaint tradition and piety, Shahak says: "It was a world sunk in the most abject superstition, fanaticism, and ignorance . . . ."

He cites a number of specific instances of the ways in which Jewish religious authorities have kept their flocks under control. In general, the rabbis have taught their fellow Jews that their Gentile neighbors are spiritually and morally unclean; that they are subhuman, on a level with the beasts of the field; and that they hate Jews and must be hated in return. Jews are taught that the Christian religion is a religion fit only for animals, and that its founder, Jesus, was the son of a prostitute and is presently immersed in a pit of boiling excrement in hell". Read the whole article here ... http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-genocide-gentilehate.html

COMMENT: The above is in direct contrast to Muslims who hold Jesus in high esteem as one of their "Prophets".

These are the despicable people you "attest" to, you creep!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuR1yntPBss&feature=related

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:46am:

It's good that you don't have bad dreams, Yadda. I rarely have them now, but I had a lot when I was a child and young adult. About angels or spirit guides- I was at a guided meditation and healing gathering when I was about 19 and my concentration kept being broken by this woman staring at me from across the circle. At the ended of the guided part of the meditation, you're often given time to 'wander' and when it was over we all spoke about our experience. The woman who had been staring pointed right at me and said that she could see a woman standing behind me to my left who looked like me but older. She said she was giving off a very loving and protective vibe, but it creeped me out nonetheless. I thought perhaps the woman in the circle was a nut, but apparently she was a well respected member of that community. I never went back  ;D Anyway, I was adopted so I wondered briefly if it had something to do with my birth mother, but I met her a couple of years later and after seeing her I know it didn't  ;D

Annie Anthrax,

Thanks for the story from your past.

It is possible that the 'apparition' [if that is what it was, which was 'seen' behind you], i.e. the "woman standing behind me to my left who looked like me but older.", .....still could have been your birth mother.

At that particular instant [at the time that you were engaged in your 'guided meditation and healing gathering'],  [if it was your birth mother] she could have been sleeping normally [at that particular time].

And if she was sleeping, she could have been able to 'travel' to see you, even though she was not ['wakfully'] conscious of that 'occasion', herself.

It is possible.




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People can 'travel', when they are asleep, even [and not uncommonly] 'unconsciously'.

The 'trick' [and the interesting part!! ] is to do this 'travelling' in a lucid ['conscious'] mind.      ;)




We human beings are, very complicated creatures, existing in a very complicated universe, which we know almost nothing about.

And 'this world' does seem to distract our conscious mind, to the point of 'blinding' us, and preventing us from seeing anything except 'the world' in front of our noses.

What we see, is not ALL that we get.





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Solomon speaks of the days of men's lives......


Ecclesiastes 3:10
I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.
11  He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
12  I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.


And that is very good advice, for all of us.

Jan wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 7:04pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 4:21pm: Jan wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 4:07pm: I am who I say I am, and I love ALL of mankind... I DON'T however think of people who write about G-d's word, and changing the 'order' of our Creator, as being part of 'man-kind'[/color][/size][/b] Moslems call the Jewish people; The sons of apes and pigs. Is that what you think of the Jewish people, and Christians, Jan ? Is that why you think that the Jewish people, and Christians, are NOT part of mankind, Jan ? It is easy to murder people, people who you do not see as human beings Jan. Google; "the sons of apes and pigs" You still can't read my words with comprehension, "..people who write about G-d's word, and changing the 'order' of our Creator"

Jan,

Perhaps, just perhaps...............just perhaps, it would be simpler.................if you just said, what you really mean ???       :D

Instead of trying to be 'sophisticated', and 'facetious'.



Jan,

Do you know what my opinion of you is ???

It is that you have been 'hanging around' 'clever' moslems for too long.



If you want people to understand you......

.....then say what you mean.

duh!




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How old are you Jan ?

Are you old enough to get married ?

Or are you only 13 years old ?

If you are only 13 years old, then i apologise to you Jan, for assuming that you were an adult.

She's in her 70's.

Yadda - get yourself checked out medically just to be on the safe side. You might be right, but some of the things you describe, such as the constant light could be more sinister. We'd hate to lose you as a result of a stroke or a brain tumour.

Just do it. I'm not being facetious.

muso wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 8:43pm:

Yadda - get yourself checked out medically just to be on the safe side. You might be right, but some of the things you describe, such as the constant light could be more sinister. We'd hate to lose you as a result of a stroke or a brain tumour. Just do it. I'm not being facetious.

muso,

Thank you for your concern.

But i don't like this life, particularly.

I see my body, only as a 'prison' [which i must endure, for a time].

I see my time here [in this physical body] as a burden, but one that i can bear.

Don't get me wrong, i do like where i live, it is a beautiful here, it is a semi-rural area, inland.

And peaceful.



But i don't like what i see, every day, in the world of men.

The wickedness and deceit of man, that i see, the refusal of men to confront truth, it all just appals me.




muso,

The day that this physical body dies, will be a good day,   ...as far as i am concerned.

I want to go 'home'.



Ecclesiastes 7:1
A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth.


Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

re: dreams and things

Several times I've had precognitive dreams, extremely accurate.  Fortunately, in most instances, I've retold the dream to others before the events manifested in what we call 'real life'.  In a few instances, those to whom I told the dream beforehand were actually there when the events manifested in 'reality'

So that was good, imo, because it alerted others to precognitive dreams and confirmed that they occur

As to 'angels', I've had a few experiences of what we might call divine intervention.  A few remain stark in my mind for the simple reason that had they not occurred, I doubt I'd be here today. 

(1) As a kid engaged in a task on a high roof, I was inches from going over the roof backwards, when I felt a hand on my back.  Absorbed in my task and forgetting how high I was, I automatically pressed backwards against the hand, but it wouldn't let me move any further.  The hand felt as solid and strong as any real adult's hand.  Only when I snapped out of my daydreams and 'came to' as it were, did I look around to see who was there.  I was utterly alone, I discovered.  And it was only at that point, wide awake now and two floors up on the rooftop, that I realised with a surge of adrenaline that I was within a yard of the edge.  If I'd gone over backwards, it's doubtful I would have survived

(2) Driving through rural Queensland as a passenger at night.  We were in good spirits, hadn't seen another car for miles.  The only lights, apart from those of our car, were from occasional farmhouses, off in the distance.  Then we saw a light maybe a mile away.  Thought it was another hill-top farm, but as we drew closer, we saw they were lights from a car parked on the wrong side of the road in the grass verge ahead.  We slowed and a man ran into the road, waving his arms. 

We were young, on holiday, in a good mood.  We were under the 'holiday spell', whereby you feel everything is safe.  We pulled up ahead of the other car and my friend, who was driving, wound his window down half way.  The guy who'd been waving his arms came up close to the window, almost put his head inside our car. He repeated in a husky voice, ' Gas, gas', and we gathered he needed petrol

My friend was just about to switch off our motor and step out to siphon some petrol out of our car to give the other guy, but at that same moment, adrenaline hit me like lightening -- totally out of the blue.  Without knowing why or stopping to think about it, I yelled to him, 'Go ! Go !  Get out of here ! '.  He took his foot off the brake, turned to me with a shocked expression, and we shot forward

I twisted in my seat and looked behind us.  What I saw explained things.  In the glow of our car's rear lights, I saw the guy who'd spoken to us.  His face was distorted with rage.  But behind him was a second, bigger guy, one we hadn't even known had been there. Like the first guy, he looked like a wolf.  And in his hands was a large length of wood

I've no doubt they planned to cosh my friend the minute he stepped from our car.  I would have been next.  I had the strong feeling they'd done it before.  We would probably have been found in a gully within a week or two, picked over by crows


(3) I'd run back to my flat to get something.  Took longer than I expected.  By the time I got back to the corner, the others had taken off without me

Maybe they'd decided I was too young to go along.  They were going to a party at an address which had been handed out on slips of paper during the night.  So there I was, feeling left out, excluded

Then a guy stepped out from a doorway.  I knew him vaguely as the cousin of one of the others.  He summed up the situation and offered to give me a lift to the party

Everything was fine for ten minutes or so.  Then, he swung onto a road I didn't recognise.  Didn't worry me to begin with, because I didn't know the address of our destination anyway

The road became a side-road.  The side-road became a one-laner.  Then that turned to a track.  Finally, we were driving along down a twisty clay-type, rutted goat-track.  By then, it was so narrow that bushes and branches were slapping the side windows. No lights anywhere apart from our headlights - no shops, no houses, nothing.  And by then I was aware of an atmosphere in the car itself.  I turned to the driver and tried to chat to ease things, but he stared straight ahead and didn't reply, apart from smiling to himself

Finally, I managed to get some sort of verbal response from him.  He turned his head in  my direction as he spoke,  No way to describe his eyes other than as dried, cracked marbles.  I was scared and he knew it.  And I'd remembered the rumours about him, about how he was a rapist who could suddenly 'go off', act crazy and bash people almost to death for no reason

I didn't want him to know how scared I was because I sensed he was enjoying it.  At the time my brain wouldn't work properly, apart from accepting that he was driving us right into the bush, no one for miles who could help, and the track was so narrow and bushy by this point, it was certain to end altogether very soon.  He was a lot bigger and stronger than I was and probably had a weapon

At that point, something approaching a miracle occurred.  There's no way to explain it.  A motor-bike was suddenly right next to my side of the car.  Gave me a shock.  Don't even know how it could fit, because the trees were smashing into the car on either side

I stared at it, couldn't process it.  The bike-rider wore a helmet and for some reason I couldn't make out his face, although he was looking right at me, inches away.  Then, he somehow maneuvred his bike in front of the car and began making waving movements with his arm

The psycho next to me swore under his breath, said 'Cop', but he couldn't get around the bike so he had to slow and pull up.  The bike rider walked to psycho's side window and asked why he was here and where was he planning to go.  Psycho told him an address.  The policeman told him he was a long way off track, in a way that made it clear he suspected it was deliberate.  Then he told psycho,  ' You follow me'.  He came around to my window, looked inside the car, asked, 'You ok?'.  Then we followed him. It was a relief to eventually get back amongst some lights, bitumen and civilization.  He led us to the address.  All my friends' cars were parked outside and some came out to see what was happening.  The psycho tried to make light of what had happened

A few years later, I heard the psycho was dead.  It seemed he'd stolen a car at a service station while the woman who owned it went to pay for petrol.  She'd left the keys inside it.  When the psycho realised there was a baby in the back seat in a carry-cot, he dumped the car in the middle of a street several miles away.  The baby was unharmed, but apparently it's father was a policeman.  The psycho was apprehended later and was found dead in the cells at Parramatta lock-up, apparently.  Suffocated, they said, and not by his own hand

I saw and heard the policeman, so he must have been real.  But was he ?

Precognitive dreams are fascinating.  It only takes one verifiable example to turn Time and life as we believe it to be, on their heads.  And as I said earlier, I've not only experienced extremely accurate and verifiable precognitive dreams (as have thousands, millions of others) they were spontaneous, witnessed by others and thus confirmed

In short, the future is already written, preordained.  Which makes a mockery of all our plans and schemes, although even when we realise this, we continue to believe we determine our own destiny

All that remains, really, is discovery of Who/What is doing the preordination.  Who is the scriptwriter ?  Why are we required to perform, like puppets ?  What purpose does it serve ?

Or, instead of our dreams foretelling the future, are we instead echoes of things which have already happened, of lives which have already been lived ?  In other words, despite our belief to the contrary - does Time run backwards ?  Are our supposed 'precognitive dreams' simply memories of things which have already passed ?  Are we simply deluded ghosts ?  That would be a laugh, wouldn't it ?

But having conversations with angels stems from your over religiousity.

No. It stems from schizophrenia.

SOB

But having conversations with angels stems from your over religiousity.

No. It stems from schizophrenia.

__________

incorrect

the ability to contact angels are attributable to

a suitable consciousness

a frequency match..

those of a dense frequency will invoke negative

demons jinn archons

blessings

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 9:19am:

But having conversations with angels stems from your over religiousity. No. It stems from schizophrenia. __________ incorrect the ability to contact angels are attributable to a suitable consciousness a frequency match.. those of a dense frequency will invoke negative demons jinn archons blessings

I would agree with that assessment.

Light, with light.

Darkness, with darkness.

PZ547 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 7:08am:

re: dreams and things (1) As a kid engaged in a task on a high roof, I was inches from going over the roof backwards, when I felt a hand on my back.  Absorbed in my task and forgetting how high I was, I automatically pressed backwards against the hand, but it wouldn't let me move any further.  The hand felt as solid and strong as any real adult's hand.  Only when I snapped out of my daydreams and 'came to' as it were, did I look around to see who was there.  I was utterly alone, I discovered.  And it was only at that point, wide awake now and two floors up on the rooftop, that I realised with a surge of adrenaline that I was within a yard of the edge.  If I'd gone over backwards, it's doubtful I would have survived

PZ,

I have heard of an account like this before, where a seemingly 'tangible' 'force' was 'applied' to prevent a persons body coming to harm .i


This life is just a type of 'audition', it seems to me.

I believe that each of us plays the 'role' which we wish to play.

And nobody can compel us, to be, what we are not.

All we have to do, is to have the courage to be who we really are.

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 9:19am:

But having conversations with angels stems from your over religiousity. No. It stems from schizophrenia. __________ incorrect the ability to contact angels are attributable to a suitable consciousness a frequency match.. those of a dense frequency will invoke negative demons jinn archons blessings

I rest my case

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 3:41pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 9:19am: But having conversations with angels stems from your over religiousity. No. It stems from schizophrenia. __________ incorrect the ability to contact angels are attributable to a suitable consciousness a frequency match.. those of a dense frequency will invoke negative demons jinn archons blessings I rest my case SOB

Sounds more like you are resting on your laurels, to me.



SOB,

If if you do not have a radio [receiver], how on earth do you tune into radio waves ???

Can you ?

I imagine that in that case [i.e. if you do not have a radio [receiver], that you would be surrounded by radio waves, AND, that you would be unaware of them ???

Would that be a fair assumption, on my part ?






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the ability to contact angels are attributable to a suitable consciousness a frequency match..

SOB,

500 years ago, radio waves effectively did not exist [within the human experience].
Why?
Because we humans can not see or sense 'invisible' radio waves.
But today, a human being of average intelligence, would not dream of claiming that radio waves do not exist.

And even today, there is the real possibility of many real 'things' and many real phenomena [even within nature] which our human senses cannot perceive.

Your logic states that because human senses cannot perceive them [OR, that because human beings have not yet invented a machine which can sense them....], they are not real.

Don't you think that such a worldview, is lacking in humility ???



SOB,

OR, are you suggesting, that only the experience of the majority of mankind, defines our reality, absolutely?

And are you suggesting that because our human senses [still] cannot perceive them,
OR,
that because we have not yet created a machine which can sense them, that we should dismiss any possibility of the existence of those 'things' which as yet, remain undiscovered, and that are as yet, unknown to the understanding of the common man?





All Aboard the Athiest bus ..
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1225016818/10#10

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Hi Amadd, Atheists are realists..... .....whereas, religious people are people who believe in faerie tales?

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