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Title: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 4th, 2012 at 12:19am
Apparently Mr. John Cook, who runs a website puzzlingly entitled Skeptical Science, is upset Monkton kicked Dr. Denniss rear end (for everyone to see) and has published a commentary on what Monkton had said in the debate.
Be witness to another woop azz by Monkton, this time on Cook. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/02/03/monckton-responds-to-skeptical-science/ |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:01am progressiveslol wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 12:19am:
I suggest people watch for themselves and make up their own minds!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma6cnPLcrtA |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:42am philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:01am:
How about you suggest looking at what I put and let Monkton answer his critics. We already saw Monkton kick the guys azz in that debate. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by red baron on Feb 4th, 2012 at 9:23am
Lord Monckton has got it absolutely right. I had the privilege of meeting him in person when he spoke in Hyde Park late last year. He is one of nature's gentlemen and treated me with respect and kindness even though he didn't know me from Adam.
This man is so hated because he tells it like it is. He is highly qualified, do not believe the crap that is thrown at him. He has taught at some of the most prestigious Universities in the World and is a mathematics genius. Moreover he has surrounded himself with highly qualified people who shoot holes in the Wankers' arguments on climate change, which is the biggest con job of the modern era. Of course there is climate change, and there will be as long as this tired old world revolves. But it is a naturally occurring process. We place too high a value on how we, people, alter the destiny of human kind. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 4th, 2012 at 9:30am red baron wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 9:23am:
He is much hated by the climate change church and I think that gives him strength. You might be interested in this article I have in another thread. Will give you an incite into how this climate change and its fixes have been used before, even for cooling. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1328231329 |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by buzzanddidj on Feb 4th, 2012 at 12:44pm red baron wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 9:23am:
He's "highly qualified" in WHAT ?i |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 4th, 2012 at 1:07pm buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 12:44pm:
He has a degree in your lordship and how to gather energy from others hatred. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by muso on Feb 4th, 2012 at 1:15pm buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 12:44pm:
Please.... Classical literature and journalism I'll have you know - also mythology, both ancient and modern. He's also a specialist in acting and has an MA in applied stage make-up. He is particularly skilled at histrionics. By the way, he would adore that shade of pink. He has a family crest the same colour, as his "lordship" is pointing out below. He designed it himself using the House of Lords crest as a model. Some even say that he's totally sane. For some totally obscure reason, he's extremely homophobic (at least when he's not in a sauna), so I doubt if you'd get on with him. He had a plan to put all homosexuals on an island somewhere. All I can say is that you guys must be desperate :) http://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2011/july/letter-to-viscount-monckton/ Quote:
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by buzzanddidj on Feb 4th, 2012 at 1:50pm Separated @ BIRTH ? ( ... which one starred in Mel Brookes' "Young Frankenstein" ?) |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 4th, 2012 at 1:54pm muso wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 1:15pm:
"also mythology, both ancient and modern." Which would qualify him to comment on Anthropogenic Climate Change....since it's a myth... |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 4th, 2012 at 1:56pm buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
Oh poor buz has got nothing except hate. Maybe you environmental extremist should learn to debate Monkton with fact, instead of hate (although you know you would lose, it would be more impressive than your childish hate). You know you are making him stronger. He has that degree in gathering energy from extremist hate. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:07pm progressiveslol wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:42am:
Monkton is a clown.....I suggest people watch his act and see for themselves!!! The fact he had to defend himself speaks volumes about his lack of substance!!! |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:10pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:07pm:
It does say alot doesn't it (that he even had to defend himself). He defended himself with science, unlike the environmental extremists. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by buzzanddidj on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:12pm
Do any of his dwindling bunch of disciples know if he is STILL claiming to be a member of the House of Lords and Nobel Prize winner ?
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:15pm buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:12pm:
Well you would have to prove him to be incorrect first. I know following your bunch of extremists can be both fun and easy, but surely you should get some integrity and prove Monkton wrong. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:20pm progressiveslol wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:10pm:
He can only defend himself with science if he provides peer reviewed studies that are published in scientific journals or literature.....Making statements and having opinions that are not supported with peer review are worthless.....Even the Monk would agree that peer review is part of the scientific method and even used it to defend himself when challenged about not having submitted his work for peer review.....He claimed the men who published his paper did peer review his work which was subsequently discredited and the men sacked for publishing his paper.....He is a complete joke supported by fools who cannot see through his vaudeville act.....I laugh at anyone who takes this clown seriously!!! [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:23pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:20pm:
Well I guess you are out. If you don't listen to him and even have a video to go over and over, then it is all lost on you. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by buzzanddidj on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:36pm progressiveslol wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:15pm:
Nothing HERE ? http://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/lords/ Nor HERE http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/all/all_laureates_c.html PS I'M not the one with "integrity" issuues I'VE never written myself a FAKE biography in order to be taken seriously |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by dsmithy70 on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:53pm progressiveslol wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 12:19am:
I could be wrong but don't you scoff and put sh!t on others for using blog sites to back arguments? |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by adelcrow on Feb 4th, 2012 at 3:13pm
Im surprised anyone still takes Leaping Lord Cockyhead seriously.
He has as much credibility as a 1950's tobacco industry investigation on the health benefits of smoking cigarettes ;D |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by muso on Feb 4th, 2012 at 3:19pm progressiveslol wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:15pm:
Didn't you read my link? http://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2011/july/letter-to-viscount-monckton/ How clearly do you want it stated? What credibility does a person who tries to pass himself off as a member of the house of Lords actually have? How much credibility does a person have who believes an obvious proven fraud? Quote:
Do you still think he's a member of the HoL? Just answer that question - because it will determine if we are wasting our time here or not. In the UK, everybody realises that he's a nutter. ;D |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by NBNMyths on Feb 4th, 2012 at 3:25pm
"Skepticism" doesn't mean what you think it means. Monkton isn't a skeptic, he's a denier.
A skeptic will examine all of the properly-conducted scientific research on a topic, and base his opinion on the weight of the available evidence. On the other hand, a denier dismisses whatever evidence disagrees with his pre-conceived position while accepting all evidence that agrees with it, no matter how weak it may be. Any TV debate on complex scientific issues is nothing more than a sham, especially when that debate is between someone who is qualified and someone who isn't. The passionate but unqualified person invariably goes on a "gish gallop", asking a series of dubious questions and making a series of dubious statements. It then takes the qualified person far longer than the available time to fully and accurately respond. Next, it's not up to anyone else to prove that Monkton is lying about his House of Lords claims or his Nobel prize claims. Monkton is making the claims, and it's up to him to prove them. Which he has not done. However, given that the British Parliament have categorically stated that he isn't a Lord, and his name doesn't appear on any Nobel Prize listings, surely there's no-one gullible enough to think he isn't just making it up, is there? Since he's shown himself to be less than honest on so many occasions, why believe anything else he says? |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by buzzanddidj on Feb 4th, 2012 at 3:25pm buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:36pm:
... and progressiveslol has "left the building" |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 4th, 2012 at 3:40pm Quote:
The British Parliament haven't stated any such thing....They've only stated that he isn't a Sitting Member of the House of Lords.... Since his rank in the Peerage is Hereditary, it takes a charge of treason to bring about a forfeiture of his title... |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by adelcrow on Feb 4th, 2012 at 3:42pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 3:40pm:
Hes as batty as a Lord and thats good enough for me ;D |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by red baron on Feb 4th, 2012 at 3:48pm
Buzzanddiddj
You asked what qualifications does Lord Monckton have? Before I start, I might point out that contrary to your apparent perception, we are not short sighted on this site and that it is not necessary to print your reply in print, that would do a banner outside a Newsagent proud. Lord Christopher Walter Monckton 3rd Viscount of Brenchley. Edcation: Harrow School and Churchill College, Cambridge. BA/MA(Cambs.) in classics. Dilpoma Journalism University College Cardiff. Gifted Mathematician, invented 'The Eternity Puzzle' which sold over 500,000 units. He offered a million pounds for the first to solve it. Worked as a journalist on many newspapers joined London Evening Standard as lead writer 1982. Recruited by the Conservative Party as a Senior Policy Advisor to Margaret Thatcher Government in the 1980's. Senior Policy Advisor to the Climate Change Scientific bodies throughout the world who have stood against the greatest hoax ever played out in the modern era. Its all about the money. Please read my post on AL GORE on this site re Global Companies. Do you have any idea at all how much money this bulls...t carbon tax is going to generate for Labor? And brother don't they need it. They are spending money quicker than the presses can roll it off. (LOOK UP AUSTRALIA'S DEBT CLOCK on the Net, do yourself that much of a favour.) Don't ask me where its going, I don't think they know themselves. B.E.R., insulation etc. what freaking disasters! Conspiracy? Bloody oath there is! |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by adelcrow on Feb 4th, 2012 at 4:03pm
I dont care what qualifications he has..hes and mad as a pile of cow sh!t and the laughing stock of the worldwide scientific community.
Has he ever worked for the Tobacco Industry because he uses the same tactics they did in pushing their deadly products through the 40's, 50's and 60's |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by buzzanddidj on Feb 4th, 2012 at 4:03pm red baron wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 3:48pm:
Christopher Monckton worked for the British government between 1982-1986, has previously claimed to be a "chief policy advisor" to former British prime minister Margeret Thatcher, and is frequently introduced as her "chief science advisor" when interviewed by the conservative media. Christopher Monckton has been quoted as saying "I gave her advice on science as well as other policy from 1982-1986, two years before the IPCC Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was founded", that he was "the only one who knew any science" and that "it was I who – on the prime minister's behalf – kept a weather eye on the official science advisers to the government, from the chief scientific adviser downward". Bob Ward in the Guardian invesitgated these claims and found them to be false, noting "that this novel and important innovation by Viscount Monckton [bringing a computer to Downing Street and calculating that global warming was, in fact, happening] was not recognised by the current minister for science and universities, David Willetts, who was also a member of the prime minister's policy unit between 1984 and 1986. In 1986, "Two Brains" wrote a prize-winning essay on the role of the unit, but mysteriously omitted to mention Monckton's historic contribution." http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Christopher_Monckton#House_Of_Lords_membership_claim Quote:
I'm sure THAT all helps - in the study of climate change ? |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by adelcrow on Feb 4th, 2012 at 4:09pm
Mockton has a BA in Journalism like most of the people serving fries at McDonalds...what a friggin genius ;D
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by dsmithy70 on Feb 4th, 2012 at 4:22pm Quote:
Must have been interesting telling Marg she was wrong: Quote:
Mockton's full of sh!t. As proven over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over infinitum |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by adelcrow on Feb 4th, 2012 at 4:28pm
One thing that been proven time and time again is that he is not only paid by the likes of Gina and Twiggy to pedal his fanciful denialist rubbish in Australia but he is also an habitual liar.
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 4th, 2012 at 4:52pm buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 3:25pm:
I did go watch a movie and may go watch another. There doesn't seem to be much here in the debate about the science Monkton presents nor any real refutation of his lordship. Just hatred and that is good. Because the man must be doing something right, even though his science is right, but must be doing something right to get all the lefty hatred... and I love it. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 4th, 2012 at 5:04pm buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:12pm:
As everyone knows, Monckton himself has never made a 'claim' to be a Nobel prize winner in seriousness... The 'prize' was given as a joke, by an Emeritus Professor of Physics... It is based on the awarding of the Nobel prize to some members of the IPCC...since Lord Monckton pointed out an error in the work (which the IPCC staff corrected) that won them the Nobel, he ( Monckton) should have been included, so some physicists made him a joke one......No more to be taken seriously than prizes awarded at club functions.... |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by pansi1951 on Feb 4th, 2012 at 5:19pm
You simply have to see this video to believe it.
This week mining billionaire Gina Rinehart became the largest shareholder in Fairfax, having already bought a stake in Channel Ten. But this new video reveals this move is bigger than one woman’s ambition – it’s part of a coordinated and very deliberate strategy, with climate skeptic ‘Lord’ Monkton seen here advising a room full of mining executives on how the industry must gain control of Australia’s media. Monckton speaks to mining industry http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aX2kMAfJggU https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/mining/monckton/monckton-speaks-to-mining-industry-share-this-video?t=dXNlcmlkPTcwODc0MyxlbWFpbGlkPTU1Nw%3D%3D |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by NBNMyths on Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:00pm red baron wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 3:48pm:
That's it. His only qualifications are a BA in classic literature and a diploma from a Journo college!!??. Not exactly a doctorate in anything remotely environmental/climate/weather/science related, is it? No wonder he's good at telling stories. Maybe we should start asking all those with BAs and night school diplomas to take the lead in all future scientific disciplines? I'm sure NASA could recruit a few to design their next rocket. Probably much cheaper than those pesky physicists, who are only in it for the money. :D Quote:
Those aren't qualifications. They're claims. And apparently dubious ones, at that. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:16pm
I watched the other movie, now being real lazy today and watching the all stars rugby league.
Now I guess as skeptical science couldnt even use science (well an attempt I suppose you would call it)against what Monkton said, then it would be unfair to expect anything other than the pure hatred we see here from each and every lefty. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by red baron on Feb 5th, 2012 at 7:25am
You need to get up early in the morning if you want to smoke the Red Baron. I'll bet you are still either in bed or struggling through breakfast.
Comments of Monckton's qualifications are irrelevant. What is relevant is the truth in his message that the Climate Change Industry is the biggest load of crap ever foisted on a gullible world by Global Interests. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by NBNMyths on Feb 5th, 2012 at 7:36am red baron wrote on Feb 5th, 2012 at 7:25am:
You're the one you touted his "qualifications" in the first place! Once it's revealed that he doesn't actually have any, you say it doesn't matter. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by cods on Feb 5th, 2012 at 8:05am
personally I believe we should listen to everyone.
instead of criticizing..and name calling... listen to all sides..and then make up your minds.. from what I see and read.. people are doing the reverse.. making up their minds then only agreeing with those of like thinking.. too many scientist have been wrong in the past... they are human and more techo becomes available to prove or disprove a point.. its nothing to be ashamed of to be wrong.. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 5th, 2012 at 8:09am cods wrote on Feb 5th, 2012 at 8:05am:
It doesn't help when you have people who have been deceived by their masters but would still die for them. NASA's Hansen stands accused of 'blatant scientific fraud': 'Before Hansen tampered with data, temps in 1880s were nearly as warm in US as they were in 1990s' http://www.real-science.com/giss-temperature-trend-complete-garbage Climategate 1 and 2 as well. Mann of the mann made climate change, cant even give details on how he came about the hockey stick. I am sorry, but the dog ate my homework. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by perceptions_now on Feb 5th, 2012 at 8:34am
Well,
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by muso on Feb 5th, 2012 at 8:37am red baron wrote on Feb 5th, 2012 at 7:25am:
- that he has lied (not just once) about being a member of the House of Lords. Anyone who is a compulsive liar like that obviously cannot be trusted. Quote:
ok Cods, here is some wisdom from Christopher Skase (who was not quite in the same league as Christopher Monckton). Monckton is a much more skilled con-man : Quote:
Now do you want to know what Ivan Milat thinks too? |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by cods on Feb 5th, 2012 at 8:42am progressiveslol wrote on Feb 5th, 2012 at 8:09am:
since time began scientist have told untruths.. they are brilliant by my standards anyway but they are still human.. I have seen too many time scientist change their minds after telling us something for 20 years..they are usually only small things.. like salt is bad for you...but at the end of the day.. BIG stuff like climate change will be no different.. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 5th, 2012 at 8:44am perceptions_now wrote on Feb 5th, 2012 at 8:34am:
I am pretty sure he is and hope he is. After all, he surely is gaining strength from lefty haters and hopefully someone is paying him as there are no government grants for anything other than pseudo science in climate change. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by cods on Feb 5th, 2012 at 8:48am
Cods, here is some wisdom from Christopher Skase (who was not quite in the same league as Christopher Monckton). Monckton is a much more skilled con-man :
sorry muso not with that at all... however a con man is only as good as the fools that believe them dont you think those that get ripped off should accept some of the blame????? I disagree about Monkton... gillard also told us we wouldnt have a CARBON TAX.. does that make her a con women????.. this debate on climate change human caused.. is very subjective.. to me its all about COMMONSENSE though I find today commonsense is a rare gift and it certainly isnt taught anywhere that I know of. and I find when it comes down to only personal attacks..like calling someone a conman.. well that to me says a lot about the accuser. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 5th, 2012 at 11:02am cods wrote on Feb 5th, 2012 at 8:48am:
Monckton has not problem attacking other people who disagree with him such as his attack on Tim Flannery which says a lot about the double standards he practices.....If Monckton can provide peer reviewed evidence to support his claims I will listen to him.....Until then there is a reason he is not taken seriously by the scientific community.....No one is stopping him from backing up his claims with proof and subjecting it to peer review accept himself!!! Think about it....It will take a while to sink in for some people!!! Behind every argument is someones ignorance. Louis D. Brandeis (1856 - 1941) http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/debunking-the-bunkum-of-that-dopey-Monckton/ |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by red baron on Feb 5th, 2012 at 11:08am
TIM FLANNERY deserves all he got and more from Lord Monckton. If we were top believe this goose FLANNERY we would be putting plastic bags over gums trees to get a drink of water by now.
He is the ultimate charlatan's charlatan. His opinion isn;t worth the ink he takes to write it. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 5th, 2012 at 1:00pm red baron wrote on Feb 5th, 2012 at 11:08am:
Comparing Tim Flannery to the NAZIS was just plain stupid.....What ever you think of Flannery accepting that sort of attack was justified says something about your lack of character mate....Even Monckton realized very quickly he has over stepped the line.....you are not that smart!!! |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by corporate_whitey on Feb 5th, 2012 at 1:25pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 5th, 2012 at 1:00pm:
While I have no time for Monckton, Flannery is supporting the attempted implementation of a dictatorship through global warming ideology, I dont know whether you want to call it Communism or Fascism and i dont care, it amounts to the same thing - its the same political class violating the sovereignty of the people through political repression. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 5th, 2012 at 4:12pm corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 5th, 2012 at 1:25pm:
I don't usually respond to crack pots however both the Coalition and ALP agree action needs to be taken on Climate Change so this is not in dispute.....It is the mechanism used to meet our targets that should be debated not some conspiracy theory that is being proclaimed by fruit loops.....Doing nothing is not a policy being proposed by anyone in Australian politics!!! |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by cods on Feb 5th, 2012 at 4:53pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 5th, 2012 at 1:00pm:
well saying There will be no CARBON TAX on my watch... was also stupid...dont you think??.. we all say dumb things.. and wish we hadnt... when we do it in anger or frustration thats one thing.. but when we do it deliberately before an election its unforgivable. as for Flannery he has too many WRONG predictions to his.. huhum credit!!! to be really taken seriously. I am still betting on mother nature myself... I wonder how many others have taken that slant since all this codswallop started.. ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by NBNMyths on Feb 5th, 2012 at 6:36pm
I'll just leave this here:
http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/07/20/denniss-my-tactics-for-debating-monckton/ |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by Deathridesahorse on Feb 5th, 2012 at 7:01pm
The advantages of this kind of power source are clear:
Because it works on temperature differential, not absolute temperature, it works in any weather; The output has already been pre-sold - the Southern California Public Power Authority recently signed a 30-year power purchase agreement with EnviroMission that will effectively allow the tower to provide enough energy for an estimated 150,000 US homes. Financial modelling projects that the tower will pay off its purchase price in just 11 years - and the engineering team are shooting for a structure that will stand for 80 years or more. :D :D |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by Deathridesahorse on Feb 5th, 2012 at 7:02pm red baron wrote on Feb 5th, 2012 at 11:08am:
slaves have No choices!! :o ;D ;D :o ::) :-X :-X |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by buzzanddidj on Feb 5th, 2012 at 7:08pm red baron wrote on Feb 5th, 2012 at 7:25am:
Is that a euphanism ? |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 6th, 2012 at 6:40am NBNMyths wrote on Feb 5th, 2012 at 6:36pm:
We already saw the debate and the failure of deniss to make much sense of anything apart from insurance. We have also seen cook have ample time to rip monkton apart piece by piece. No we have had monkton give a scientific serve to cook and gave cook a lesson. People have had ample time to rip monkton apart and thought that website skeptic science had done it, but monkton still comes up on top. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by Doctor Jolly on Feb 6th, 2012 at 8:18am
Famed climate change denier Lord Christopher Monckton, an advisor to former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, has been outed as the construct of none other than character comedian Sacha Baron Cohen.
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by muso on Feb 6th, 2012 at 9:26am cods wrote on Feb 5th, 2012 at 8:48am:
I usually call a spade a spade. Ivan Milat and Christopher Monckton are very similar characters, except that Monckton will kill a lot more people by induced complacency. I make no apologies for that. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by muso on Feb 6th, 2012 at 9:28am Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 8:18am:
Really? - I thought he was more of a Les Paterson clone. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by thelastnail on Feb 6th, 2012 at 10:28am
Why do they let two unqualified wordsmiths debate each other and somehow call that a credible debate ?? Just a whole lot of meaningless drivel :(
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 6th, 2012 at 11:22am Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 10:28am:
It is not meaningless when you get a site like skeptic science try to shred Monkton bit by bit with as much time as they need, only to find they failed. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 6th, 2012 at 11:25am Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 10:28am:
Well there's not much point putting a layman (from either side) up against a scientist in a debate is there?? |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by thelastnail on Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:38pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 11:25am:
Why ? Is this just a pointless side show that proves absolutely nothing and then pays idiots to talk more sh.t ?? Since Lord Monkey seems know everything about the subject why not put him up against an authority in this field ?? |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:41pm Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:38pm:
Because the 'authorities' in the field won't take him on...even Al Gore (who isn't an 'authority' won't agree to a public debate)....So he's left with the likes of Dr Denniss....Even Dr Flannery refused to debate Lord Monckton... |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by thelastnail on Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:44pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:41pm:
Is that an exhaustive list of authorities who will not take him on or are you just generalizing and talking more sh.t as usual ? |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by red baron on Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:59pm
NBNMyths....Go back and read Lord Monckton's C.V. i have posted.
There is nothing at all wrong with his qualifications. He is an acknowledged Maths genius. It took the best mathematicians in the world 18 months to solve his Eternity Puzzle. He has lectured at many of the great Universities in the World...(no...you look them up...I take it you do have Google?) He was a top advisor to the successful Thatcher Government. What do you want NBNmyths?...blood? Finally he has enlisted some of the most enlightened scientists in the world to put this Climate Change bulls....t, under where it belongs. It is total crap! |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 6th, 2012 at 2:11pm Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:44pm:
Not talking sh1t...there IS a list....Al Gore is at the top...as are several others......Mike Mann, Phil Jones etc...I'd have to check to see who Lord Chris has asked, and who's refused....I know for certain that Dr Tim Flannery refused, which is why Dr Denniss was at the Press Club debate... |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by Verge on Feb 6th, 2012 at 3:27pm
I think it was galaxy research who declared Monkton the winner.
He was great in that debate. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by buzzanddidj on Feb 6th, 2012 at 3:48pm
Craig Reucassel interviews comedy genius Sacha Baron Cohen in character as his latest creation: climate skeptic Lord Christopher Monckton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCItkkwuviE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCItkkwuviE |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by thelastnail on Feb 6th, 2012 at 4:33pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 2:11pm:
Is that all ?? Just a handful of people :D And I always thought that Al-Gore WAS NOT an authority on the subject. He is just the messenger who has put together a documentary in order to encourage discussion. I can understand why people with authority on a subject would not want to debate an idiot. You should never and try an argue with an idiot or you will lose. Maybe you should see the "The great global warming swindle" get ripped to shreds by people with AUTHORITY on the subject. Why doesn't Monkey debate some of these dudes ?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeQfD2DNnUQ |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 6th, 2012 at 5:17pm buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 3:48pm:
It's sad that you AGW wankers think that Lord Monckton is a Sacha Baron Cohen character... What a wank... |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by red baron on Feb 6th, 2012 at 5:23pm
buzzanddidj, Immensely enjoyed your posts on Lord Christopher Monckton! Absolutely fabulous send up his medical condition - Grays Disease, which by the by he fought with absolute courageousness.
Pperhaps if you get cancer, you could drop us a line so I can do an absolute hoot of a send up, about how you are hilariously coping with your disease. Oh sorry fellas, there a couple of guys just walked passed looking for something you dropped. Let me look closer...They've got 'Elephant Trainer', written on the back of their coats and their carrying buckets...Let me see oh yes it reads - poo. Now they're scooping up you posts on Lord Monckton and putting them in the buckets! |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 6th, 2012 at 7:38pm
A little Irish man once told me.....
"Never argue with an idiot because onlookers cannot tell the difference" Enough said!!! |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 6th, 2012 at 8:15pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 7:38pm:
In this case it would be "if you have a pretend climate science web site, don't attempt to belittle a person who used science, you may just get found out for being an alarmist with no knowledge at all". |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 6th, 2012 at 8:19pm progressiveslol wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 8:15pm:
I am not arguing!!! ;) |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by Imperium on Feb 6th, 2012 at 8:24pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 5:17pm:
wow you are dumb |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by thelastnail on Feb 6th, 2012 at 10:26pm red baron wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 5:23pm:
No just pray to one of the myriad of man made imaginary God's and his disease will miraculously disappear but don't let science get in the way of a good old miracle cure ;) LOL |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by thelastnail on Feb 6th, 2012 at 10:37pm progressiveslol wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 11:22am:
It's funny how the so called skeptics that appeared on the ABC debate and who pretend to be authorities got shredded to pieces by people who have qualifications in the area. You can bet that Monkey business wouldn't have stood a chance either ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F25gZvmMJJM |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 6th, 2012 at 11:47pm http://joannenova.com.au/2012/02/cooking-the-books-monckton-replies-to-cook/ When Christopher Monckton debated at the National Press Club in Canberra last July, he showed exactly why the fans of a man-made catastrophe are so frightened of free speech and open debates. With no slides nor images, in a single hour he still changed the opinions of fully 9% of the audience , including influential journalists who had expected nothing of the kind. The Roy Morgan polling organization tracked the moment-by-moment opinions of a representative sample of 350 people throughout the debate, and Gary Morgan, the CEO, announcing the result, said that in his long experience of polling he had never seen a swing like it in opinion on any subject in so short a time. John Cook of un-SkepticalScience tried to rescue something from the event for the “cause”, but here Monckton shows how the claims that Monckton was “confused”, “lying” and “misrepresenting evidence” all come to naught, and if John Cook only had the manners (or curiosity) to ask Christopher first, he would have found that out before airing his poor research and logical errors in public. Monckton quotes peer reviewed references ad lib, and does calculations off the top of his head. Cook makes out that he is baffled by Monckton’s sources, which is odd because Monckton quotes the IPCC, Garnaut and other “consensus” documents, which we might have thought Cook would know well. As usual, the point of the alarmist rebuttals is not to understand the science, or to find common ground to build a better understanding, it’s to put the words, “myth”, “lies”, “bizarre”, ‘trick” and ‘distort” into the same paragraph as the words “sceptic” and “Monckton” even if there is nothing to substantiate those terms. In other words, it’s just policy-driven PR dressed up as science. What most disturbs me is that Cook underlies his entire reasoning with the logical fallacy that “consensus” is science, and that only the Chosen Ones are allowed to form an opinion. The attitude “Thou shalt not question our experts” belongs in a religion not in science, and shows that Cook is not even slightly skeptical – what skeptic starts with the position “the experts are always right?”. Hailing consensus ought be anathema to any scientist in the quest for understanding. The University of Queensland employs Cook now, so what does that “center of higher education” make of his low standards of reasoning or evidence and his anti-science values? It supports him, evidently. (The Quest for Knowledge being trumped by the Quest for Grants and Peer-Group Approval). The vice-chancellor has failed to answer a question from Christopher Monckton about why the university provides cover for Cook’s crude propaganda. Cook claims the lesson for him is that “verbal debates are a mistake”. Which is true when you can’t reason and don’t have the evidence. Like any sore loser he tries to blame the loss on something else — claiming Monckton lies, yet here we can see that if Cook had stood up in the National Press Club, and made these claims with Monckton present, Monckton would have had no trouble refuting them, and quite possibly even more of the audience would have been converted. Open debate is the only way the truth gets tested. Cook himself has been asked to post up Monckton’s rebuttal of his mistaken accusations on his website, but apparently lacks the intellectual honesty to do so. It is our pleasure to do for him what he should have done for himself in the interest of fairness and balance and the search for the truth. Jo |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by red baron on Feb 7th, 2012 at 7:26am
Ahh and was he a leprechaun Phil2010? perhaps you've been visiting the blarney stone a little too often or partaking of a wee dram or two.
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by Doctor Jolly on Feb 7th, 2012 at 7:53am
Jo Nova has no qualifications as a climate science either.
There are two parts to this issue. 1) The science. That is settled by vast majority of scientists. The only hold outs seem to be semi-retired scientists cashing in on a bit of oil money. The people with money on the line (Insurance companies) have already factored in climate change. Its very real. 2) Persuading the public. No doubt the deniers have done an excellent job here. Its no easy job to pull off a blantant lie by mis-representing folly as fact, but they have done it. The big thing they have in their corner is the complexity of the problem, and the amount of effort required to fix it. If joe public isnt "into" the subject, it is a lot easier for him to believe someone who says "She'll be right". |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 7th, 2012 at 8:00am Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 7:53am:
1. pfft 2. The pseudo scientists in the church of climate change have done a marelous job of their dogs eating their homework, being dishonest to the public, not being completely open, shutting down debate ect ect. They get what they deserve. Just for laughs, did you here about Mann talking recently about tree rings. “We know these tree rings capture most temperature changes quite well,” said Michael Mann, professor of meteorology and geosciences and director of the Penn State Earth System Science Center. “But the problem appears to be in their response to the intense short-term cooling that occurs following a very large volcanic eruption. Explosive volcanic eruptions place particulates called aerosols into the stratosphere, reflecting back some fraction of incoming sunlight and cooling the planet for several years following the eruption.” Except when they start telling him about a cooling so we need to use the heat island affected temps instead. What was it, from the 60's. The guy is a joke. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 7th, 2012 at 10:31am
Why are Tony Abbott and the Coalition going to spend billions on Climate Change if it is not real....We should be debating the merits of each policy not whether a few people whom refuse to submit any evidence to peer review dispute the science....As I have previously said if their is evidence to dispute Climate Change then these people have an obligation to submit their findings for peer review and have them published....Failing to do this affords them no credibility and shows them up for the charlatans they are!!!
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance. Hippocrates (460 BC - 377 BC), Law |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by thelastnail on Feb 7th, 2012 at 10:39am philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 10:31am:
There in lies the rub. These so called expert skeptics never have any of their own research data and findings to offer. People like Andrew Bolt spend all of their time googling the contrary arguments and presenting it as their own :( |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 7th, 2012 at 10:40am Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 10:39am:
Hate to break it to you, but it is our own. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 7th, 2012 at 10:53am philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 10:31am:
Because they can get tax revenues from it. Why else. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 7th, 2012 at 10:56am progressiveslol wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 10:40am:
If there is any credibility to the claims the AGW is a hoax then these scientists should be able to provided their findings for peer review and scrutiny to support their findings.....I have no problem with AGW being disproved however the evidence needs to be subjected to scientific review or it is worthless....Tell me why these findings that AGW is not happening have never been proven and published in any scientific publication??? |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by Doctor Jolly on Feb 7th, 2012 at 10:56am chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 10:53am:
Huh? I thought "Direct Action" was purely a cost, not an income (for the government) |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:00am chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 10:53am:
Rubbish......If they provided peer reviewed science to support their claims they would receive the same funding as those who have found it is happening.....Governments will only listen to scientists who can prove their findings so proving there is a problem with the science would allow them to gain funding from a multitude of organizations!!! |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:07am Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 10:56am:
It is a cost that will not generate any revenue.....The cost of Direct Action will cost taxpayers billions without generating any revenue for the tax cuts Abbott has promised....The cost of paying for climate change and providing tax cuts will be taken from budget revenue not polluters??? |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:09am philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 10:56am:
Is this what you were after. http://www.c3headlines.com/peer-reviewed-studies/ |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by Doctor Jolly on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:24am
C3 = Climate Conservative Consumer.
Ha ha. ;D Are you trying to merge this thread with the "Conservative and racist beliefs linked to low IQ (Read 1159 times)" one ? |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:26am progressiveslol wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:09am:
A discredited site that peer reviews itself.....This site has been widely used by deniers and has been shown to use dubious science and lies to substantiate its claims.....It has not had any of its claims published in any scientific journal with any merit!!! http://thesnufkin.blogspot.com.au/2011/03/how-to-cook-data-set.html |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:28am Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:24am:
Oh sorry, I thought climate science was important to you. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:30am philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:26am:
Oh, yet another climate church freak who thinks their science is the only science, while spitting the dummy that people dont take the church of climatology seriously. Well I guess it is all lost on you guys and good. Its fun to watch you squirm. It was so obvious that when you asked for peer review, you would say it was not real. lol talk about losers. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by Doctor Jolly on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:37am progressiveslol wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:28am:
Very important. But this thread isnt about climate science, its about (Not a) Lord Monckton isnt it ? |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:41am Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:37am:
Well how about you keep up. It was asked that peer reviews were needed. Your little excuse does nothing for your throwing out of peer reviewed science. Anything you complain about in terms of people ignoring your climate church can be taken as BS on your part. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:42am
Here is what NASA has published.....
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/ http://digitaljournal.com/article/300598 |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:46am philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:42am:
And. You asked for peer reviewed science. I gave it. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:48am progressiveslol wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:41am:
The site peer reviews itself.....If their claims where credible they would be published in credible scientific journals.....The site is opinion that cherry picks data and has not been peer reviewed by the scientific community because they will not submit their claims for scrutiny to any credible publication.....Ask yourself why that is mate??? |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:58am philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:48am:
I can't seem to see a link between the web site to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_Geophysical_Research Maybe you can point it out seeing as you are making such claims as you are. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:59am
Can't find a link between the website and to this either.
http://www.springer.com/earth+sciences+and+geography/geology/journal/12594 |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by muso on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:01pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:37am:
Sounds better when you read it out loud. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:02pm
Or this one.
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2011/2011PA002130.shtml That is 3 from 3. I will look no further and wait for you to bring other more relevant information to your statements. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:09pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:42am:
NASA!!! If you want the truth go to a reputable site!!! |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:11pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:09pm:
Oh I see, back to that clap trap again. Bugger the science. Well you have also made the argument for yourself to be ignored when you start complaining that others dont take your church of climatology seriously. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:44pm progressiveslol wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:11pm:
So you believe that NASA is part of your conspiracy theory along with the the CSIRO, the ALP, the Liberal / National parties, John Howard, Margaret Thatcher, Tony Abbott, George W Bush and most Governments around the world.....You must be a complete loon!!! If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them. Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992) |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:54pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:44pm:
Why shouldn't it be a 'conspiracy'??? Even if it's being done for the 'best' reasons (to save us from ourselves), if the data is 'loaded' towards 'worst case scenarios'.....it's still a conspiracy.... and not at all unusual either.... |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:59pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:54pm:
Because it would require conspiring between opposing entities whom would gain more form exposing such a conspiracy.....Why would Australian Governments deliberately try to sabotage our exports and try to combat something that does not exist??? |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:02pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:59pm:
Good point....Not sure about the 'opposing entities' bit though... "Why would Australian Governments deliberately try to sabotage our exports and try to combat something that does not exist??" That, though, is really a personal belief thing...and doesn't really apply....If the Government (or members there of) truly believe it exists, then it's not sabotage, from their point of view.... |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:08pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:02pm:
So these educated individuals have all come to the same conclusion through their own belief mechanisms.....Then there is no conspiracy it is a consensus based on available evidence.....Thank you!!! |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:12pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:44pm:
No, I have a right just like you, to disregard the science as you do and have just done. So stop your whinging about people disregarding NASA. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:17pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:08pm:
I wouldn't classify politicians as 'educated individuals'....at least not in enough science to make a rational decision....Most pollies are lawyers or accountants....as such they tend to accept opinions of others.... 'Educated' is pretty much a null concept.....Being well trained in Law or Philosophy doesn't mean you can identify a chemical interaction, or perform surgery (or change a fuse or lightbulb for that matter).. And 'concensus' is not a scientific principle.... |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by Doctor Jolly on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:18pm
The futility of debating with progressiveslol is the same as the futility of debating (Not a) Lord Monckton.
He just comes up with one more stupid argument after another, then eventually recycles the old one. They get to a state where they say "I can disregard any science I like". This is why Scientists dont bother with "Not a". He is an internet troll who has transgressed out of cyber-space into the physical world.... or he's a very clever cousin of borat. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by red baron on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:28pm
There is nothing wrong at all with trying to,preserve the planet. I recycle, use less water and generally try to do the 'right thing'. The same can be said for Tony Abbott who will put in 'best workplace policies.
No #1 Carbon Dioxide is not the bad guy and it is a scientific fact that the overwhelming source of CO2 come from the planet itself and are not 'man made'. Further, CO2 is a building blocks of life and without it life would cease to exist. As I have said before mankind has an over exaggerated perception of how it is affecting this planet. Overwhelmingly, it is Mother Nature who will decide this planet's future. I get angry because the Climate Crowd have changed its title from Global Warming to Climate Change after running up the white flag and conceding that the planet has been cooling for over 100 years. Now it's Climate Change, I am not buying what vested Global Interests want. That is, that we should pay for 'fresh air'. In fact we will be paying for nothing of the kind. The big polluters in Australia will buy Carbon Credits on the International stage and not a damned thing will change as far as them dirtying up our Country. I will say some big responsible companies are making a change to better practice with pollution. I applaud them for that. But the big Global Con Job is on and as I said it is the 'big banks and stock brokers'' wet dream, money for fresh air...for absolutely nothing. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:29pm Quote:
I fail to see any validity in your argument.....I do not disregard any science I am just careful about whose advise I accept.....I must accept that NASA and the CSIRO are more qualified than some unknown people from a skeptic web site that will not subject its findings for scientific peer review in any other publication other than their own.....You can feel free to believe what ever you like and disregard every other organization apart from the one that supports your opinion....That is called ignorance and you are entitled to be so inclined!!! |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:32pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:18pm:
Like you just did. Talk about high horse. You do come up with the most stupid statements, even when it is right in front of you and you just commited it. :o |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:34pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:29pm:
You just disregarded the peer reviewed science I put on here with a failed excuse on why it wasnt good enough. You and the stupid guy from an earlier post. Then you go on with your church of climatolgy statement that we can only believe NASA, you know, the reputable science. :D |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by Doctor Jolly on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:57pm red baron wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:28pm:
True, but that has nothing to do with climate change. Climate change is the influence of man adding x% to the carbon cycle Quote:
True, but that fact has nothing to do with climate change. Quote:
Both have an impact. We can control one (man), so lets do it. Quote:
Clutching at straws much? Climate change and global warming are using interchangable. Climate change is causing the globe to warm. Do a google new search of "global warming". Its referenced everywhere. It has not been cooling for 100 years, where do you come up with such rubbish ? Quote:
Rubish. Why pay for polution rights, when you can just reduce pollution ? Quote:
Why, you dont think their are doing anything wrong? Quote:
Of course it is. Get you tin hat on. I supposed FX markets are a con, Share markets, futures ? |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 7th, 2012 at 2:26pm
Well isn't this timely for the climate church followers who smuggly say only NASA ect are reputable and throw away any and all other peer reviewed science.
German news translated. Circulation of 16million readers. Devoting half of page 2. “THE CO2 LIES … pure fear-mongering … should we blindly trust the experts?” http://notrickszone.com/2012/02/06/body-blow-to-german-global-warming-movement-major-media-outlets-unload-on-co2-lies/ |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 8th, 2012 at 8:35am
On top of my last post, we have this
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 9th, 2012 at 9:48am
Interview translated
Vahrenholt a prominent Social Democrat and former German Environment Minister, but also outgoing CEO of the renewable energy group RWE Innogy. It’s an extensive interview, touching upon the various climate-influencing factors left out by the IPCC in its promotion of CO2 as the apocalyptic threat to mankind, and the massive government intervention and expense to supposedly make it go away. “The Cold Sun” author explains the reason of his current point of view as follows: Vahrenholt: For years, I disseminated the hypotheses of the IPCC, and I feel duped. Renewable energy is near and dear to me, and I’ve been fighting for its expansion for more than 30 years. My concern is that if citizens discover that the people who warn of a climate disaster are only telling half the truth, they will no longer be prepared to pay higher electricity costs for wind and solar (energy). Then the conversion of our energy supply will lack the necessary acceptance. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,813814,00.html |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by Doctor Jolly on Feb 9th, 2012 at 9:57am The demonisation of scientists continues. What an appalling lot the deniers are. If you dont understand the issue, just say "I dont understand". Its complex. No one will think any less of you. (We cant anyway ;) ) |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:25am Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 9:57am:
What is demonising about it. Dont you think it is scientists doing the peer reviews that are spoken about. Don't you think it were real scientists that were interviewed? Stop sounding like a sore loser and a typical climate change churchy. The information is definitely real. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by Doctor Jolly on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:29am progressiveslol wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:25am:
Your funny picture is a review of clynical physicology scientests, so what baring it has on the debate of climate science is beyond me. Scientists who publish to peer-review journals soon get found out if they have fabricated something. Thats what peer-review is about, and that why everyone else in this thread is saying (except you) that bloggers and journo who dont get peer-reviewed are not worth the paper their articles are written on. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by philperth2010 on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:31am
Shady scientific research is rampant!!!
However it does not say which side of the argument is dodgy......We already know deniers cherry pick data to support their claims and refuse to have their claims peer reviewed in main stream scientific publications!!! |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:36am Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:29am:
I have said no such thing about bloggers and journo's. If they happen to refer to a peer reviewed study, then the peer reviewed study stands on it own and the journo or blogger is fee to talk about it. Just like in all science including your church. As for the picture above, it speaks volumes on human nature and humans who happen to be scientist. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:38am philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:31am:
As we do know with climate change churchies. Btw is your main stream the ones that would not dare to publish an opposing paper for fear of being hounded and sacked for publishing material against the church beliefs. I think that is your so called main stream. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by Doctor Jolly on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:50am
Progs is trying the "if I keep saying 'Church' someone might believe me" trick.
By association he is trying to demonise scientists as being religous and therefore believe in something that cannot be proven. All standard 101 tactics from the deniers handbook. Boring. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:51am Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:50am:
Well in lieu of a word I like opposite to denier, then I will refer to the act of being the opposite of denier. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by Doctor Jolly on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:59am progressiveslol wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:51am:
How is "churchie" the opposite of "denier" ? |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:32am Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:59am:
Well to be skeptical is not being a denier, so you figure it out. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by Doctor Jolly on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:38am progressiveslol wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:32am:
Youve lost the plot there progs. If I say "the earth is round", and someone says "No, its not, its flat, look". That someone is, logically, a "denier". But to say that because I believe the earth is round makes me religous or church going is absurd. My view will not make one difference to my church goings (if any). |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:49am Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:38am:
If you have never seen the empirical evidence that the earth is round, then yes, your insistence that you are correct and everyone else is merely a denier for having an opposing view, is being the church of the old days. Churchie. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by Doctor Jolly on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:53am progressiveslol wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:49am:
Ahh, so you are just using as a name calling technique. Part of your demonising your opponents strategy. Fine, no point continuing this discussion. But FWIW, it was the churchies we held on to the view the earth was flat, and its the churchies who make up a majority of the climate change deniers, so you are shooting your own camp with that one. ;D |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:57am Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:53am:
No, I am using it as a verb for the opposite of denier. And EXACTLY churchie to the first part of your your second point. Other than that, your second point is pure BS and I belong to no camp. I live in my condo, not a camp. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by muso on Feb 10th, 2012 at 8:15am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5ba1OKY7Xc
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 10th, 2012 at 8:24am muso wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 8:15am:
If you have anything of substance to add, I suggest you say it, but showing your home videos without remarks does not help. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by muso on Feb 10th, 2012 at 5:14pm
I think it's what's called eloquent silence. You think that Monty Python's Flying Circus is one of my home videos? I'm flattered.
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by Imperium on Feb 10th, 2012 at 5:18pm muso wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 5:14pm:
Proglol is the dumbest person on this forum. He's mentally subnormal. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 10th, 2012 at 7:12pm barnaby joe wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 5:18pm:
lol now you and mos are in the same category. Thats priceless. So both of you have nothing to add to this thread except your lefty name calling and induendo. Losers, the both of you. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by muso on Feb 10th, 2012 at 7:16pm
Well, I can only speak for myself. I have not made any personal insults, and I am certainly not left wing. Neither is Imperium as far as I am aware.
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by progressiveslol on Feb 10th, 2012 at 7:24pm muso wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 7:16pm:
well you do a left wing impression pretty good and your subtle video sure wasn't derogatory was it. Me thinks you are skating around on a bit of BS. But as long as neither of you have anything of substance to add to this thread and couldn't win a chook raffle if you had all the tickets, then we can wait patiently until you find some substance. The thread will wait for you. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by adelcrow on Feb 10th, 2012 at 7:25pm
Monkton is insane..pure and simple
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by muso on Feb 11th, 2012 at 8:09am progressiveslol wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 7:24pm:
Christopher Monckton deserves to be taken to task. He has shown to have lied and he is probably the most thoroughly debunked of all denialists. His credibility is zero and he doesn't present any coherent arguments. I won't use the term sceptic. I am a sceptic. He is not. As for Left wing, we are talking about one issue - that of the reality of anthropogenic climate change. We are not talking about wealth distribution, social welfare or anything like that. It's entirely a question of basic atmospheric science, which happens to be a subject I'm well versed in. There are plenty of people on the right side of politics who agree that we are facing a major issue as a result of increasing the carbon dioxide inventory of the atmosphere and the surface ocean. I mentioned Roger Scruton in another thread. Margaret Thatcher is probably the epitome of conservativism, but probably as a result of her understanding of the science, she also agrees that it's a serious issue. |
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Title: Re: Remember Monkton televised debate with Dr. Denniss Post by red baron on Feb 12th, 2012 at 2:29pm
Think all the Global Warmers or is it Climate Changers, they change their name every time there is a switch in the weather.
Haven't heard about Global Warming for a while sports fans. Couldn't be because of the freezing temperatures in Europe or record rainfalls and coldest winter in 50 years on the Eastern seaboard could it. The only person whop has come out smelling like a rose is Lord Monckton. Now the Global Warmers are in the lifeboats and clinging on to the S.S. Climate Change. Geez you are a scurvy pathetic lot. |
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