| Australian Politics Forum | |
|
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl
Member Run Boards >> Islam >> Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1328158258 Message started by Baronvonrort on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 2:50pm |
|
|
Title: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 2:50pm Quote:
Source-http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16787534 Islamic ideology blames the woman for producing females it is her fault if she does not produce a male. Many muslim women get divorced and left to raise daughters by ignorant muslim men. Here is Falah's favourite imam on the subject of divorcing your wife if she has girls. http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/144991/divorce Abu-Falah-Lestat-Annie When are muslims going to stop blaming the woman for producing girls? It is the piss weak Y chromosome in the sperm of muslim men that results in the birth of a girl it has nothing to do with the woman. |
|
Title: Re: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by abu_rashid on Feb 4th, 2012 at 11:05am
My guess is you have no idea what Islam says about the birth of a baby girl.
This custom of killing baby daughters, or in this case killing the mother is exactly the kind tribalistic custom that Islam came to eradicate. This is what Islam teaches about daughters: "Allaah is the One, based on His ultimate wisdom, who grants whomever He wills sons and daughters; He grants sons only to whomever He wills, and grants daughters only to whomever He wills, and if He so wills, He makes whomever He wills infertile." (Qur'an 49:50) "whoever takes care of two girls until they reach adulthood - he and I will come together on the Day of Resurrection (like this) - and he interlaced his two fingers" (Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)) “And when one of them is informed of [the birth of] a female, his face becomes dark, and he suppresses grief. He hides himself from the people because of the ill of which he has been informed. Should he keep it in humiliation or bury it in the ground? Unquestionably, evil is what they decide.” (Qur'an 58:59) “He who is involved (in the responsibility) of (nurturing) daughters and is generous to them, will have them as a fortification for himself against the Hellfire.” (Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)) “Whoever Allaah has given two daughters and is kind towards them, will have them as a reason for him to be admitted into Paradise.” (Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)) “Girls are a source of reward and sons are a blessing; rewards are in one's favour (on the Day of Judgement) whereas one will be held accountable for blessings.” (Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)) Once, one of the leaders of the believers was receiving people when a small daughter of his entered the room, so he kissed her; a Bedouin was also in attendance and saw this, so he mentioned daughters in a very evil manner. A wise man who was also present witnessed all of this and therefore said: "O leader of the believers! Do not listen to him. I swear by Allaah, that it is they (i.e., girls) who stay up to care for the sick in the family, who show mercy towards the elders, and who stand next to men during hardships." “I have not seen anyone closer in physical appearance and character to the Prophet than his daughter Faatimah … Whenever she would enter into his presence, he would stand up and seat her in his place, and whenever he would enter into her presence, she would stand up, kiss him, and seat him in her place.” (Ayesha, Wife of Muhammad) It is the backwards tribalistic rural cultures which despise the birth of a daughter, since it places a burden on the family (in their reckoning) and robs them of the assistance of a son. That is why India today for instance has a crisis of lack of daughters, because till this day, the ignorant polytheistic Hindus are murdering their daughters by throwing them into wells or aborting them, just like the pre-Islamic Arabs did. Sadly some people who became Muslims have persisted in such ignorance. But to claim it is related to Islam is just ludicrous, since Islam came to eradicate such despicable practises. |
|
Title: Re: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by freediver on Feb 4th, 2012 at 1:07pm Quote:
Islam stones people to death for 'non-tribalistic' reasons, like changing your mind about Muhammed, or having non-approved sex. |
|
Title: Re: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 4th, 2012 at 1:07pm abu_rashid wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 11:05am:
If that is the case why does the good sheik say in my first post it is ok to divorce your wife because she gave birth to a 3rd daughter? Is that blaming the woman for having a girl? Are you saying it is allah who determines the gender of a child from that Quran verse? Sahih bukhari 4:55;550 Quote:
Do muslims blame the woman for producing girls when in reality it is the piss weak Y chromosome of the muslim male sperm that results in the birth of a girl? |
|
Title: Re: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by freediver on Feb 4th, 2012 at 1:30pm
So the angels keep Allah updated on the status of semen in a woman's uterus?
|
|
Title: Re: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by Annie Anthrax on Feb 4th, 2012 at 1:38pm Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 1:07pm:
Are daughters of non-Muslim men a result of "piss weak" chromosomes? |
|
Title: Re: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by falah on Feb 4th, 2012 at 5:14pm Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 1:07pm:
You didn't understand the fatwa at all. The scholar was not saying that the man should divorce the woman because she had a daughter. The scholar was saying that the man must fulfill his promise, and the man had promised to divorce his wife. Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 1:07pm:
It would be unislamic to blame a woman for having a daughter. Quote:
|
|
Title: Re: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by Soren on Feb 4th, 2012 at 8:35pm
Islam's pretensions to purity, honesty, honour are thoroughly discredited. Take it from there.
|
|
Title: Re: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by The honky tonk man on Feb 4th, 2012 at 8:39pm
Those wacky muslims. When are they going to learn that gender is just a social construct?
|
|
Title: Re: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by Soren on Feb 4th, 2012 at 8:43pm falah wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 5:14pm:
Thank you for discrediting Islam. |
|
Title: Re: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 6th, 2012 at 11:05am freediver wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 1:30pm:
I didn't write those books of fairy tales Fd. If you were going to create a religion in 2012 my bet is your god would have some type of IPAD instead of crappy old books and stone tablets. |
|
Title: Re: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by falah on Feb 6th, 2012 at 12:39pm
Human Reproduction in the Qur'an
The Sex of the Child Until fairly recently, it was thought that a baby's sex was determined by the mother's cells. Or at least, it was believed that the sex was determined by the male and female cells together. But, we are given different information in the Qur'an, where it is stated that masculinity or femininity is created out of "a drop of sperm which has been ejected." He has created both sexes, male and female from a drop of semen which has been ejected. (Qur'an, 53:45-46) Was he not a drop of ejaculated sperm, then a blood-clot which He created and shaped, making from it both sexes, male and female? (Qur'an, 75:37-39) The developing disciplines of genetics and molecular biology have scientifically validated the accuracy of this information given by the Qur'an. It is now understood that sex is determined by the sperm cells from the male, and that the female has no role in this process. The Y chromosome carries characteristics of masculinity, while the X chromosome carries those of femininity. In the mother's egg, there is only the X chromosome, which determines female characteristics. In the semen from the father, there are sperms that include either X or Y chromosomes. Therefore, the sex of the baby depends on whether the sperm fertilising the egg contains an X or Y chromosome. In other words, as stated in the verse, the factor determining the sex of the baby is the semen, which comes from the father. This knowledge, which could not have been known at the time when the Qur'an was revealed, is evidence to the fact that the Qur'an is the Word of God. Chromosomes are the main elements in determining sex. Two of the 46 chromosomes that determine the structure of a human being are identified as the sex chromosomes. These two chromosomes are called "XY" in males, and "XX" in females, because the shapes of the chromosomes resemble these letters. The Y chromosome carries the genes that code for masculinity, while the X chromosome carries the genes that code for femininity. The formation of a new human being begins with the cross combination of one of these chromosomes, which exist in males and females in pairs. In females, both components of the sex cell, which divides into two during ovulation, carry X chromosomes. The sex cell of a male, on the other hand, produces two different kinds of sperm, one that contains X chromosomes and the other Y chromosomes. If an X chromosome from the female unites with a sperm that contains an X chromosome, then the baby is female. If it unites with the sperm that contains a Y chromosome, the baby is male. In other words, a baby's sex is determined by which chromosome from the male unites with the female's ovum. None of this was known until the discovery of genes in the 20th century. Indeed, in many cultures, it was believed that a baby's sex was determined by the female. That was why women were blamed when they gave birth to girls. Fourteen centuries before human genes were discovered, however, the Qur'an revealed information that denies this superstition, and referred to the origin of sex lying not with women, but with the semen deriving from men. http://miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_57.html http://www.al-islam.org/about/contributions/humanreproduction.html |
|
Title: Re: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 6th, 2012 at 1:24pm falah wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 12:39pm:
If this information was in the Quran 1400 years ago then why did muslims wait 1400 years to tell us this? If they knew it 1400 years ago then why did you say until fairly recently they thought the mother determined the gender? Mohammad stole his embryology from Galen what is in the Quran is what Galen wrote and it is all wrong. A biology textbook contradicts the Quran. |
|
Title: Re: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:17pm
Muslims will claim Islam is compatible with science which is a load of horse manure.
How is this nonsense compatible with evolution and biology? Quote:
|
|
Title: Re: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by falah on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:00pm Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 12:17pm:
you idiot! it makes perfect sense. What is the main ingredient of the human being? Water? Is water a main ingredient in mud? Yes. What is the next main ingredient in human beings? Carbon. Carbon and water make up about 90% of the mass of a human body! What colour is carbon in its most common Earthly form? Black! Mix carbon and water together with a few small quantities of other minerals and metals, and what do you have? Black mud! |
|
Title: Re: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:15pm falah wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:00pm:
This nonsense in the Quran is not compatible with evolution or biology. Oh yes how silly being created out of mud by a creator cannot contradict evolution or biology when you apply some psuedo islamic logic to compensate for the nonsense in the Quran. Darwin would be laughing at the idiocy of muslims! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils Falah does the "lucy" fossil have a tail? The Quran says sperm originates from between the backbone and the rib, will muslims cut off their testicles to prove the Quran is right? |
|
Title: Re: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by falah on Feb 7th, 2012 at 4:24pm Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:15pm:
I laugh at the idiocy of Darwin. What a loser he and his followers will be on the Day of Judgement! Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:15pm:
Not quite sure what your point is there. Do these creatures have tails? Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 1:15pm:
Does it? Can you show me where? Because I have never seen that verse. |
|
Title: Re: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 8th, 2012 at 11:20am falah wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 4:24pm:
I told you Islam was not compatible with science and your rejection of evolution confirms this. Muslims laugh at Darwin....Anyone with more than half a functioning brain laughs at the idiotic things muslims believe. The church villified Darwin then after it became clear evolution was a fact and theory then they changed their story apologised and then included nonsense called intelligent design to accomodate the accepted evolution. You should google "Church apology to Darwin". Not sure what your point i with the tails on those animals except to prove you are totally ignorant of evolution. The Quran says sperm originates from between the backbone and rib. Will muslims cut off ther testicles to prove their faith in the Quran and see if they are still able to have children? Quote:
People should read all translations with Islam to dispel the myth of mistranslation,tick the boxes on left side of page. This article will refute any mental gymnastics from muslims on the mistakes in the Quran with these suras. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an_and_Semen_Production_(Qur%27an_86:7) If the Quran contradicts reality does that mean it is not from Allah- http://quran.com/4/82 |
|
Title: Re: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by falah on Feb 8th, 2012 at 9:48pm Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 11:20am:
Yeah, yeah the church also said the Earth was flat and was only 6 thousand years old, and some other stuff. So what? The church is not Islam. The church is Christian. Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 11:20am:
It doesn't prove anything. It just proves that you made some vague statement and, in your arrogance, you continue to refuse to explain what you meant. Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 11:20am:
Quote:
Even in your own translation that you posted it does not mention sperm. The Arabic word for sperm (al-nutfa) does not appear in the verses of the Quran you provided. The verse is referring to the ejaculatory fluid. 98% of the ejaculatory fluid is semen! Where is semen produced Einstein? In the testicles? Lo and behold, science (your old buddy ;) ) says semen is not produced in the testicles: Quote:
Quote:
|
|
Title: Re: Afghan woman killed for giving birth to a girl Post by freediver on Feb 15th, 2012 at 10:35pm Quote:
What is the other 2%? |
|
Australian Politics Forum » Powered by YaBB 2.5.2! YaBB Forum Software © 2000-2026. All Rights Reserved. |