Australia should act before it is too late and legislate to make it unlawful for any other Country or Company to own Australian land outright.

The best the world should be offered is a lease, with strict conditions.

How dare they sell our country off! Do you think for a second it would happen in China?

All land ownership is granted by the Govt anyway.

I would be opposed to this.  It would stiffle investment, enterprise and employment. :(

You talk about making it unlawful for any other country or company to own Australian land outright.  Do you also have an objection to individuals or partnerships consisting of individuals, where those persons are foreign nationals, owning Australian land outright?  And what about foreign nationals who live permanently in Australia?  Sounds an unduly Draconian measure to me.

Has any other country with a democratically elected government enacted such legislation?

What an idioic idea.

What do you think this will achieve, except for turning Australia into another third world backwater.

typical communist opposed to the mere NOTION of private ownership of everything. imagine being denied the right to own your own land!!

an idea stupider than snot.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 4:36pm:

typical communist opposed to the mere NOTION of private ownership of everything. imagine being denied the right to own your own land!! an idea stupider than snot.

Communist?  ;D

I'd say guess again wrongweekend:


red baron wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 2:08pm:

The way Labor is mis-managing this Country I hold the greatest fears. We had a national surplus and money in the bank when Labor took over,  now we borrow hundreds of millions (not a misquote) from China each and every day. The only damned thing this Government does well is spend bucket loads of money mainly on crap. I pity the Liberals because it will take a decade for them to pay it back once these imbeciles get turfed out at the next election. (Just the same as the Liberals inherited huge debt from Labor last time they were in power).

Gist wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 4:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 4:36pm: typical communist opposed to the mere NOTION of private ownership of everything. imagine being denied the right to own your own land!! an idea stupider than snot. Communist?  ;D I'd say guess again wrongweekend: red baron wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 2:08pm: The way Labor is mis-managing this Country I hold the greatest fears. We had a national surplus and money in the bank when Labor took over,  now we borrow hundreds of millions (not a misquote) from China each and every day. The only damned thing this Government does well is spend bucket loads of money mainly on crap. I pity the Liberals because it will take a decade for them to pay it back once these imbeciles get turfed out at the next election. (Just the same as the Liberals inherited huge debt from Labor last time they were in power).

if you oppose private ownership of land you are a communist. end of story.

I well remember the outrage when Joh sold QLD to the Japanese, all they did was buy it, develop it then went broke and sold it back cheap. The land is ours they can buy it but they can not pack it up and take it away.

This reminds me of people complaining about foreign ownership of farms - they were worried what might happen to our food supply if a war started, like we would be contractually bound to grow food for our enemies  :D

Let them lease it, but not own it.

Seems to work well in Switzerland, and has for years.

nairbe wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 6:33pm:

I well remember the outrage when Joh sold QLD to the Japanese, all they did was buy it, develop it then went broke and sold it back cheap. The land is ours they can buy it but they can not pack it up and take it away.

You are right about the Japanese, they were screwed, but will it happen again.
Read recently that the foreigners will buy real estate and keep it vacant for long periods, while many Australian families have nowhere to live.
It is a very complicated issue.

This sounds more like Nationalism than Socialism???



Nationalism: loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 9:09pm:

This sounds more like Nationalism than Socialism??? Nationalism: loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

...more like both...National Socialism...which is just Socialism's comrade in arms.... :(

hawil wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58pm:

nairbe wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 6:33pm: I well remember the outrage when Joh sold QLD to the Japanese, all they did was buy it, develop it then went broke and sold it back cheap. The land is ours they can buy it but they can not pack it up and take it away. You are right about the Japanese, they were screwed, but will it happen again. Read recently that the foreigners will buy real estate and keep it vacant for long periods, while many Australian families have nowhere to live. It is a very complicated issue.

Put it this way. When land changes hands, it is only because both the buyer and seller think it is a good idea.

A clarification or two. Firstly I am the antithesis of Communism. I am to the far right of Genghis Khan.

Some of you have shot from the hip. I did not say that Australian citizens could not own their land, to the contrary I am saying the exact opposite.

What I am saying is that we don't want to end up like poor bloody Fiji where it took a coup to get Fiji back for the Fijians.

What I said was, FOREIGN INTERESTS should be given leases. Keep Australia for Australia. Too many people have their heads buried right up to their bums in the sand in this country and future generations will pay a terrible price for their utter neglect of responsibility.

What I see is a great Nation going down the freaking tubes under the leadership of a true Communist JULIA GILLARD (check her background, formner secretary of the Communist Party, not a typist as she claims and still member of the Fabian Society). Frankly she  couldn't oranise high tea let alone steer this country to safe waters.

If it wasn't for the mining boom we'd be up the creek and you all know what  creek that one is..rhymes with 'ditters'.

Swagman wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 2:40pm:

All land ownership is granted by the Govt anyway. I would be opposed to this.  It would stiffle investment, enterprise and employment. :(

I didn't think the government had to get involve unless the purchase was over 230 million ??

You could buy a hell of a lot of land for that price ;)

red baron wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 7:41am:

A clarification or two. Firstly I am the antithesis of Communism. I am to the far right of Genghis Khan. Some of you have shot from the hip. I did not say that Australian citizens could not own their land, to the contrary I am saying the exact opposite. What I am saying is that we don't want to end up like poor bloody Fiji where it took a coup to get Fiji back for the Fijians. What I said was, FOREIGN INTERESTS should be given leases. Keep Australia for Australia. Too many people have their heads buried right up to their bums in the sand in this country and future generations will pay a terrible price for their utter neglect of responsibility. What I see is a great Nation going down the freaking tubes under the leadership of a true Communist JULIA GILLARD (check her background, formner secretary of the Communist Party, not a typist as she claims and still member of the Fabian Society). Frankly she  couldn't oranise high tea let alone steer this country to safe waters. If it wasn't for the mining boom we'd be up the creek and you all know what  creek that one is..rhymes with 'ditters'.

there is an example to demonstrate the silliness of your position!

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 9:09pm:

This sounds more like Nationalism than Socialism??

Yes.  And extreme nationalism at that.  The sort of nationalism commonly associated with Fascism.

Frances wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 1:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 9:09pm: This sounds more like Nationalism than Socialism?? Yes.  And extreme nationalism at that.  The sort of nationalism commonly associated with Fascism.

Yes National-Socialism (AKA NAZI) :-/

Frances wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 2:45pm:

You talk about making it unlawful for any other country or company to own Australian land outright.  Do you also have an objection to individuals or partnerships consisting of individuals, where those persons are foreign nationals, owning Australian land outright?  And what about foreign nationals who live permanently in Australia?  Sounds an unduly Draconian measure to me. Has any other country with a democratically elected government enacted such legislation?

Mexico and Japan have extremly restrictive laws against foreigners owning any property whatsoever.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 2:07pm:

Frances wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 2:45pm: You talk about making it unlawful for any other country or company to own Australian land outright.  Do you also have an objection to individuals or partnerships consisting of individuals, where those persons are foreign nationals, owning Australian land outright?  And what about foreign nationals who live permanently in Australia?  Sounds an unduly Draconian measure to me. Has any other country with a democratically elected government enacted such legislation? Mexico and Japan have extremly restrictive laws against foreigners owning any property whatsoever.

who'd want to buy land in mexico? you'd need your own army to protect it from the drug lords, gangs and corrupt police. and in japan, your land might be in 3 peieces tomorrow or have an oil tanker parked on it.

Swagman wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 1:50pm:

Frances wrote on Feb 3rd, 2012 at 1:47pm: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 9:09pm: This sounds more like Nationalism than Socialism?? Yes.  And extreme nationalism at that.  The sort of nationalism commonly associated with Fascism. Yes National-Socialism (AKA NAZI) :-/

Funny i thought it just sounded like then standard level of debate we have in this country over the past 15 years. Slowly but surely getting further to the right.

That's really rich, I put up an argument that we should preserve Australia for Australians and suddenly I am a Nazi.

Well I'm sure you have really looked in depth at how Globalism is gouging the crap out of Countries like Australia.

We were a Country in which the Liberal Government clawed back the enormous debt that Labor had run up and put us in credit. Our Country had National Savings and a Futures Fund.

All that has gone with this bloody irresponsible Government that your own children and children's children will pay for dearly.

Look up Australia's Debt Clock and get a feel for what it is to have this bunch of bloody idiots sending this country broke....go on look it up I challenge you to!

AUSTRALI'AS DEBT CLOCK

red baron wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 7:41am:

What I said was, FOREIGN INTERESTS should be given leases. Keep Australia for Australia.

Actually what you said was:


red baron wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 2:32pm:

Australia should act before it is too late and legislate to make it unlawful for any other Country or Company to own Australian land outright.

in response to which I asked:


Frances wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 2:45pm:

You talk about making it unlawful for any other country or company to own Australian land outright.  Do you also have an objection to individuals or partnerships consisting of individuals, where those persons are foreign nationals, owning Australian land outright?  And what about foreign nationals who live permanently in Australia?

I suppose I can consider your above post an answer, although I will have to fill in a few of the blanks myself.


red baron wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:15pm:

That's really rich, I put up an argument that we should preserve Australia for Australians and suddenly I am a Nazi.

I think you're being a bit oversensitive here - Nazi was only mentioned in one brief post and the poster did not say that you were a Nazi.

Better learn to speak Chinese.

Chinese mine giant snaps up 43 NSW farms
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/chinese-mine-giant-snaps-up-43-nsw-farms/story-e6frg6nf-1226082387428

Land rush
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/land-rush/story-fn59niix-1226085165144

Foreign ownership of Aussie land: the peril of selling the farm
http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/06/16/foreign-ownership-of-aussie-land-the-peril-of-selling-the-farm/

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 6:16pm:

Gist wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 4:44pm: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 4:36pm: typical communist opposed to the mere NOTION of private ownership of everything. imagine being denied the right to own your own land!! an idea stupider than snot. Communist?  ;D I'd say guess again wrongweekend: red baron wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 2:08pm: The way Labor is mis-managing this Country I hold the greatest fears. We had a national surplus and money in the bank when Labor took over,  now we borrow hundreds of millions (not a misquote) from China each and every day. The only damned thing this Government does well is spend bucket loads of money mainly on crap. I pity the Liberals because it will take a decade for them to pay it back once these imbeciles get turfed out at the next election. (Just the same as the Liberals inherited huge debt from Labor last time they were in power). if you oppose private ownership of land you are a communist. end of story.

No, thats not true at all.

longweekend58 re your remark 'silliness of my position'. I would like to check your credentials on that comment. Do you have authority from the Ministry of Silly Walks to comment on their behalf?

red baron wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:15pm:

That's really rich, I put up an argument that we should preserve Australia for Australians and suddenly I am a Nazi. Well I'm sure you have really looked in depth at how Globalism is gouging the crap out of Countries like Australia. We were a Country in which the Liberal Government clawed back the enormous debt that Labor had run up and put us in credit. Our Country had National Savings and a Futures Fund. All that has gone with this bloody irresponsible Government that your own children and children's children will pay for dearly. Look up Australia's Debt Clock and get a feel for what it is to have this bunch of bloody idiots sending this country broke....go on look it up I challenge you to! AUSTRALI'AS DEBT CLOCK

Nationalizing the land is the Government -  the Corrupt Political and Corporate class stealing everybody's homes.  Their greed is boundless. 8-)

We should be working from a basis of the sovereignty of the Australian people over their own land and country - not the sovereignty of the Political and Corporate class and certainly not encouraging foreign investment in property.. 8-)

So far on this web site I have been accused of being a Nazi, a Communist, a Labor hater (true),.

Even on this post I have been incredibly misquoted. Please guys, if you're going to sink in the size 12, please do me the small favour of reaing my posts first.

Anyhow, just want to thank you one and all for the criticism.

Please keep it coming, serve up those Aunt Sallies and the  Red Baron will swat 'em down for you.

Tell you one thing though, you want the truth then read my posts.

It might be like swallowing a billiard ball at times but I do NOT bend the truth.

And befoe someone comes up with the old chestnut, "you can't handle the truth!".

Yes...yes I can handle the truth very well indeed, my only one true skill.

Quote:

That's really rich, I put up an argument that we should preserve Australia for Australians and suddenly I am a Nazi.

Yep....that'll happen round these parts.  Welcome to ozpolitic.

... wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 5:44pm:

Quote: That's really rich, I put up an argument that we should preserve Australia for Australians and suddenly I am a Nazi. Yep....that'll happen round these parts.  Welcome to ozpolitic.

LOL wait till C-W replies to one of your posts ;D

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 5:50pm:

... wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Quote: That's really rich, I put up an argument that we should preserve Australia for Australians and suddenly I am a Nazi. Yep....that'll happen round these parts.  Welcome to ozpolitic. LOL wait till C-W replies to one of your posts ;D

The usual meaningless troll bait from the king opf spin. 8-)

They can have 'the land'.
I prefer a nice yacht in a lovely harbour personally.
I don't even have a house (better things to spend my money on besides working for a Bank's profit) and never will I hope.