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Title: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by falah on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:12pm

Australian Law pathetic?

Not only do they refuse to give him the death penalty, but they let him out of jail!

'Bulli rapist' to be released from prison

A man infamous for a series of rapes around Wollongong has been granted parole after serving 21 years in jail.

Terry John Williamson, known to many as the Bulli rapist, was convicted in 1991 of raping 11 women and children at knifepoint over a 10-month period in 1989 and 1990.

The 42-year-old appeared in Parramatta District Court this morning via video-link from Silverwater jail.

The court heard Williamson poses a moderate risk of re-offending, but the New South Wales State Parole Authority has ordered his release on February 10.

Williamson had repeatedly applied to be released since 2004, when he became eligible for parole.

His release is subject to strict conditions, including a requirement to wear an electronic monitoring device, take libido-inhibiting drugs and submit to psychiatric and drug and alcohol testing.

Williamson is also banned from the Illawarra region and from contacting his victims or any people under the age of 16.

The parole board said Williamson terrorized a substantial area of Wollongong and some terror is still felt.

But the board said the release before Williamson has served his full 24-year prison term is essential to adequately supervise his reintegration into the community.

An advocate for his victims has condemned the decision.

Howard Brown, from the Victims of Crime Assistance League, says Williamson should have been locked up for life.

"Never to be released. That did not occur and so there is obviously no justice in relation to this situation," he said.

"I am here on behalf of one of the victims who was not registered, and I know that her life has been so disrupted by this entire process that she's actually left the state."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-27/bulli-rapist-to-be-released-from-prison/3796846

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Uncle Meat on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:14pm

falah wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:12pm:

Australian Law pathetic?

Not only do they refuse to give him the death penalty, but they let him out of jail!

Australia is a civilised nation.

Thus, we don't have capital punishment.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Annie Anthrax on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:16pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:14pm:

falah wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:12pm:

Australian Law pathetic?

Not only do they refuse to give him the death penalty, but they let him out of jail!

Australia is a civilised nation.

Thus, we don't have capital punishment.

Child rapists should be euthanised.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Uncle Meat on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:18pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:16pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:14pm:

falah wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:12pm:

Australian Law pathetic?

Not only do they refuse to give him the death penalty, but they let him out of jail!

Australia is a civilised nation.

Thus, we don't have capital punishment.

Child rapists should be euthanised.

There's no place in a civilised society for capital punishment.

And for all the conservatives out there who are about to pounce on me, that does not mean that I condone the actions of child rapists.

It simply means that I do not support state-sanctioned killing.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Annie Anthrax on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:22pm

So what should be done with them then?

Should they serve 21 years for the sexual brutalisation of children and then be released so they can have another go at it?

Victims of crimes like these should have the peace of knowing their abusers can never hurt them (or anyone else) again.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Uncle Meat on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:28pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:22pm:

Should they serve 21 years for the sexual brutalisation of children and then be released so they can have another go at it?

Nope. Not at all.

However, capital punishment isn't the correct response from a civilised society.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Annie Anthrax on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:33pm

Then what's your solution?

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Uncle Meat on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:36pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:33pm:

Then what's your solution?

Life imprisonment.

There's not really much else.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 12:15am

Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:36pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:33pm:

Then what's your solution?

Life imprisonment.

There's not really much else.

So, after all the pain they cause society.....society is then expected to feed, cloth and care for them for the rest of their lives???

Personally, I think the death penalty is quite a civilised thing.....Civilisation requires people to be responsible for their own actions and behaviour, and that doesn't work if there are no penalties..

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Uncle Meat on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 12:29am

[quote author=3937243331016C686B6B5E0 link=1327666344/8#8 date=1327673727....Civilisation requires people to be responsible for their own actions and behaviour, and that doesn't work if there are no penalties..[/quote]

You seem to think that life in prison is not a penalty.

I'm not sure where you got that idea from.

There's no place is a civilised society for capital punishment.

It's barbaric act of revenge, not justice.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Uncle Meat on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 12:33am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 12:15am:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:36pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:33pm:

Then what's your solution?

Life imprisonment.

There's not really much else.

So, after all the pain they cause society.....society is then expected to feed, cloth and care for them for the rest of their lives???

Capital punishment is ultimately more expensive.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Annie Anthrax on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 9:30am

Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 12:29am:

It's barbaric act of revenge, not justice.

No it isn't. If the death penalty is on the table, when an animal like this commits the crime he knows the risks.

There can be no real rehabilitation for these people. The death penalty should be an option when there is absolute certainty about guilt.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Uncle Meat on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 9:55am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 9:30am:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 12:29am:

It's barbaric act of revenge, not justice.

No it isn't.

Actually, it is.

"Perhaps death penalty proponents find retribution — “an eye for an eye” — is important. Such supporters may feel the need to exact vengeance in the name of justice, ... "

http://calstate.fullerton.edu/news/Inside/2006/punishment.html

"But the mark of a civilized society is that it provides a structured, just, and orderly way for violations of law to be handled and not overwhelmed by passion. It does not permit the emotionally distraught, no matter how authentic their feelings, to be judge, jury, and executioners of revenge."

http://www.philosophy-religion.org/kirkpatrick/capital-pun.htm

"Legalized Murder: The Death Penalty Serves Revenge and Does Nothing to Solve Crime"

"Our desire to see criminals put to death can be summed up in one word: revenge. We are a society that still believes literally in Hammurabi's Code"

http://tech.mit.edu/V117/N51/ring.51c.html

There's simply no doubt that capital punishment is an outdated, barbaric practice that has no place in a civilised society.

Moreover, it does nothing to deter murder.

http://www.nodeathpenaltywi.org/PDF/Deterrence%20Fact%20Sheet%209%2020%2006.pdf

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Uncle Meat on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 9:58am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 9:30am:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 12:29am:

It's barbaric act of revenge, not justice.

If the death penalty is on the table, when an animal like this commits the crime he knows the risks.

“I am not convinced that capital punishment, in and of itself, is a deterrent to crime because most people do not think about the death penalty before they commit a violent or capital crime.”
– Willie L. Williams, Police Chief, Los Angeles, CA

http://www.nodeathpenaltywi.org/PDF/Deterrence%20Fact%20Sheet%209%2020%2006.pdf

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Annie Anthrax on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 10:08am

Capital punishment in cases like these is the most effective way to ensure these people aren't able to hurt anybody again. It enables victims to have complete closure. That is not revenge, it is a rational solution to a problem. Do you suggest that any penalty given by a judge is a form of revenge on behalf of the victim?

The death penalty is a safeguard for society against these people in the future. Vengeance is something completely different.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Uncle Meat on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 10:15am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 10:08am:

It's using violence to "solve" a problem.

That's the sign of a weak, uncivilised society.

" It epitomizes the tragic inefficacy and brutality of the resort to violence rather than reason for the solution of difficult social problems."

http://users.rcn.com/mwood/deathpen.html

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by falah on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 3:00pm

The law cannot busy itself with protecting us from serial rapists while there 12 year-old girls that need to be strip-searched:

Child strip-searched twice in Hobart (because once is not enough?)

Tasmanian police have confirmed they twice strip-searched a 12-year-old girl during a drug raid on Hobart's eastern shore.

Police arrived at a house in Rokeby on Wednesday morning with a warrant to search for methylamphetamines.

They seized drugs and cash.

Inspector Glenn Lathey says that during the raid the girl was twice searched by female officers in a bedroom in the presence of her mother.

Police say the law allows for children to be strip-searched.

The Lawyers Alliance President, Greg Barns, has described the actions of police as disturbing.

He says the case highlights the need for new legislation.

"It confirms why Tasmania desperately needs a Human Rights Act to protect the rights of vulnerable people against these sorts of actions," he said.

No charges will be laid against the girl...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-28/child-strip-searched-twice-in-hobart/3798006

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 4:19pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 12:29am:

You seem to think that life in prison is not a penalty.

I'm not sure where you got that idea from.

There's no place is a civilised society for capital punishment.

It's barbaric act of revenge, not justice.
[/quote]

It shouldn't be the only penalty....
Prison (or indeed any punishment) loses it's effectiveness when it becomes level for all crimes....Do you think that murderers and rapists are frightened of prison, when the sentences given are similar to those for drink driving, burlgary, fraud and non-payment of parking tickets???

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Uncle Meat on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 4:22pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

....Do you think that murderers and rapists are frightened of prison, when the sentences given are similar to those for drink driving, burlgary, fraud and non-payment of parking tickets???

I don't think they give it any consideration at all.

“I am not convinced that capital punishment, in and of itself, is a deterrent to crime because most people do not think about the death penalty before they commit a violent or capital crime.”
– Willie L. Williams, Police Chief, Los Angeles, CA

http://www.nodeathpenaltywi.org/PDF/Deterrence%20Fact%20Sheet%209%2020%2006.pdf

The death penalty is not a deterrent.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 4:27pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 10:15am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 10:08am:

It's using violence to "solve" a problem.

That's the sign of a weak, uncivilised society.
" It epitomizes the tragic inefficacy and brutality of the resort to violence rather than reason for the solution of difficult social problems."

http://users.rcn.com/mwood/deathpen.html

Not holding people responsible for their crimes is the sign of a weak and dying society....

If a dog attacks a child...the dog is killed...and there's no argument about it...
The dog isn't killed for fun, or revenge, it's kill to prevent a recurrence of the same behaviour.
But when a person commits the most violent, evil and vicious crimes, and shows no remorse, and every indication of doing it again...people get all soppy, moralistic and pitying about the perpetrator and his/her 'rights'....

What about the rights of the victims, and the future victims????...They're the ones we should be fighting to protect, not the sociopaths, psychopaths, and straight out evil bastards...

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Annie Anthrax on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 4:34pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 10:15am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 10:08am:

What happens when a prisoner is not compliant? Violence is a way of life in the prison system, and not just inmate against inmate. It is used as a tool by the prison system to keep prisoners in line all the time.

Deprivation of liberty is itself a violent act, according to WHO.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Annie Anthrax on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 5:38pm

Quote:

A US man has been sentenced to die for killing a woman and her two daughters during a night of terror in their suburban home, a crime that halted momentum to abolish the death penalty in the state of Connecticut.

The two paroled burglars tormented a family of four in an affluent suburb before killing Jennifer Hawke-Petit and leaving her daughters, 17-year-old Hayley and 11-year-old Michaela, to die in a fire.

The only survivor, Dr William Petit, was beaten with a baseball bat and tied up but escaped.

Joshua Komisarjevsky Hayes was convicted in 2010 of raping and strangling Hawke-Petit and killing the girls. The girls were tied to their beds and doused in gasoline before the house was set ablaze; they died of smoke inhalation. Komisarjevsky was convicted of the killings and of sexually assaulting Michaela.

The girl he sexually assaulted before killing was 11.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/27/connecticut-home-invasion-death-sentence

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 6:27pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 5:38pm:

Quote:

The girl he sexually assaulted before killing was 11.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/27/connecticut-home-invasion-death-sentence

Makes you wonder about his own daughter.....she might be in need of counselling....

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Annie Anthrax on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 8:46pm

Apparently the other guy was hounding him to go, but this one wouldn't leave home until he'd put his kids to bed.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by mantra on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 5:39am

Our gaols are overcrowded as it is and this is why so many people are released rather than imprisoned for life. It's obvious as Annie said that many of these criminals are beyond rehabilitation.

Perhaps we should become like the US where they have 2.3 million prisoners. Prisons are big business over there and some places can feed the inmates for 20 cents a day meaning huge profits for those who run them.

We are too lax here - but then we've got no idea how to run a gaol economically. It's easier and cheaper to release these people back into society.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Uncle Meat on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 8:12am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 4:27pm:

Not holding people responsible for their crimes is the sign of a weak and dying society....

I'm not suggesting that people shouldn't be held responsible for their crimes.

Capital punishment is not the only way to hold them responsible.

A civilised society finds more appropriate solutions, rather than resorting to violence and state-sanctioned killing.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2012 at 4:27pm:

What about the rights of the victims, and the future victims????...They're the ones we should be fighting to protect, not the sociopaths, psychopaths, and straight out evil bastards...

That's correct; I have no interest in the rights of the criminals. I am simply opposed to state-sanctioned killings.

The death penalty is a sign of a failing, uncivilised society.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Annie Anthrax on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 8:26am

Quote:

Perhaps we should become like the US where they have 2.3 million prisoners. Prisons are big business over there and some places can feed the inmates for 20 cents a day meaning huge profits for those who run them.

There was a case a few years ago in the US where judges were sentenced for sending children to prison unnecessarily and keeping them there indefinitely.

They were being bribed by the prisons themselves because the state paid a certain amount per child. The judges were effectively getting a commission on the amount of kids sentenced.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 10:48am

falah wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:12pm:

Australian Law pathetic?

Not only do they refuse to give him the death penalty, but they let him out of jail!

Australian law is superior to Sharia law because we dont throw rape victims in jail.

Do you think we should throw rape victims in jail like they do under Islamic law Falah?

Quote:

British woman arested in Dubai after being raped
A 23 year old British woman on holiday in Dubai told police she had been rape,only to be arrested herself for having illegal sexual intercourse

A Brisbane woman who claims to have been drugged and raped by co workers in Dubai plans to sue the commonwealth of Australia after she was jailed for adultery

http://www.smh.com.au/world/jailed-rape-victim-seeks-to-sue-commonwealth-20110605-1fnc6.html

Sharia law is pathetic it jails rape victims !

As Sheik Hilaly said "If a woman is in her bedroom with the hijab on these (gang rape) disasters dont happen".

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 10:50am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 8:26am:

Quote:

Got a cite for that Annie or did you pluck that from your ass?

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Uncle Meat on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 10:57am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 10:50am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 8:26am:

Quote:

Got a cite for that Annie or did you pluck that from your ass?

Sounds like the "Kids For Cash" scandal.

"A former juvenile court judge has been sentenced to 28 years in prison for accepting over $1 million in bribe money to send children to for-profit detention centers in what has become known as the “kids for cash” scandal."

http://www.christianpost.com/news/kids-for-cash-scandal-judge-sentenced-to-28-years-for-taking-bribes-to-lock-up-kids-53842/

"Ciavarella was found guilty in February of 12 of 39 racketeering and fraud charges for accepting millions of dollars in bribes from friends who owned detention centers to which he sent juveniles."

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-08-14/justice/pennsylvania.judge_1_ciavarella-kids-for-cash-scandal-kids-for-cash-scandal?_s=PM:CRIME

http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/settlement-under-scrutiny-in-kids-for-cash-scandal-1.1254141#axzz1knvHo67K

I plucked that out of Google, by the way. Certainly not out of Annie's ass.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Annie Anthrax on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 11:55am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 10:50am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 8:26am:

Quote:

Got a cite for that Annie or did you pluck that from your ass?

Quote:

A long-serving judge has been ordered to spend nearly 30 years in prison for his role in a bribery scandal that prompted the state's high court to overturn thousands of juvenile convictions.

Former Luzerne County Judge Mark Ciavarella Jr was sentenced on Thursday to 28 years in prison for taking $1m (£617,000) in bribes from the builder of two juvenile detention centres in a case that became known as "kids-for-cash".

The Pennsylvania supreme court overturned about 4,000 convictions issued by Ciavarella between 2003 and 2008, saying he violated the constitutional rights of the juveniles, including the right to legal counsel and the right to intelligently enter a plea.

Federal prosecutors accused Ciavarella and a second judge, Michael Conahan, of taking more than $2m in bribes from the builder of the PA Child Care and Western PA Child Care detention centres and extorting hundreds of thousands of dollars from the facilities' co-owner.

Ciavarella, known for his harsh and autocratic courtroom demeanour, filled the beds of the private lockups with children as young as 10, many of them first-time offenders convicted of petty theft and other minor crimes.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/11/kids-for-cash-judge-pennsylvania

Next time, ask me properly or I'll ignore you and leave you to find your own information.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by falah on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 12:22pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 10:48am:

Australian law is superior to Sharia law because we dont throw rape victims in jail.

Do you think we should throw rape victims in jail like they do under Islamic law Falah?

Quote:

British woman arested in Dubai after being raped
A 23 year old British woman on holiday in Dubai told police she had been rape,only to be arrested herself for having illegal sexual intercourse

A woman needs 4 male witnesses to prove she has been raped under Islamic law.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/6949008/British-woman-arrested-in-Dubai-after-being-raped.html
A woman reported being raped and they locked her boyfriend up as well for sex outside of marriage!

Another rape victim jailed under Islamic law-
[quote]A Brisbane woman who claims to have been drugged and raped by co workers in Dubai plans to sue the commonwealth of Australia after she was jailed for adultery

http://www.smh.com.au/world/jailed-rape-victim-seeks-to-sue-commonwealth-20110605-1fnc6.html

Sharia law is pathetic it jails rape victims !

[/quote]

These are not simple rape cases, but involve the women intoxicating themselves beforehand which has confused the issue somewhat for the Dubai authorities.

Quote:

Despite approaching police about the attack, she was arrested after admitting to "illegal drinking" outside licensed premise

Quote:

Ms Gali spent eight months in a Dubai prison after the alleged assault by three co-workers while drinking at the resort bar in June 2008.

You have asserted that Islamic law orders the jailing of rape victims. Dubai is not run according to Islamic law, but rather a mixture of tradional and British law.

Any tourist to the country should notice this when they see that alcohol is readily available - contrary to Islamic law. (In fact, you only have to travel on their Emirates airline to see that they serve alcohol to passengers, which demonstrates the disregard for Islamic law by the government)

The highest scholars in Islam have said that a rape victim should not be punished, and that 4 witnesses are not required for a judge to punish a rapist.

Quote:

...The [Islamic] scholars are unanimously agreed that the rapist is to be subjected to the mandatory punishment [eg. stoning, crucifixion or flogging] if there is clear evidence against him that he deserves the mandatory punishment, or if he admits to that. Otherwise, he is to be punished (i.e., if there is not enough proof that the mandatory punishment for illicit sexual activity may be carried out against him because he does not confess, and there are not four witnesses, then the judge may punish him and stipulate a punishment that will deter him and others like him. There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her...)

[Saudi scholar Sheikh Muhammed Salih al-Munajjid]
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/72338

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by falah on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 1:06pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 10:50am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 8:26am:

Quote:

Got a cite for that Annie or did you pluck that from your ass?

Despite Red Flags About Judges, a Kickback Scheme Flourished

Things were different in the Luzerne County juvenile courtroom, and everyone knew it. Proceedings on average took less than two minutes. Detention center workers were told in advance how many juveniles to expect at the end of each day — even before hearings to determine their innocence or guilt. Lawyers told families not to bother hiring them. They would not be allowed to speak anyway...

...Last month, the law caught up with Judge Mark A. Ciavarella Jr., 58, who ran that juvenile court for 12 years, and Judge Michael T. Conahan, 56, a colleague on the county’s Court of Common Pleas.

In what authorities are calling the biggest legal scandal in state history, the two judges pleaded guilty to tax evasion and wire fraud in a scheme that involved sending thousands of juveniles to two private detention centers in exchange for $2.6 million in kickbacks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/28/us/28judges.html?_r=1

Lock 'Em Up

Jailing kids is a proud American tradition.

...What has drawn the media's attention, though, is the remarkable strictness of the judges' judging. Mr. Conahan's alleged partner in the scheme, Judge Mark Ciavarella Jr., reportedly sent kids to the private detention centers when probation officers didn't think it was a good idea; he sent kids there when their crimes were nonviolent; he sent kids there when their crimes were insignificant. It was as though he was determined to keep those private prisons filled with children at all times. According to news stories, offenses as small as swiping a jar of nutmeg or throwing a piece of steak at an adult were enough to merit a trip to the hoosegow.

Over the years Mr. Ciavarella racked up a truly awesome score: He sent kids to detention instead of other options at twice the state average, according to the New York Times. He tried a prodigious number of cases in which the accused child had no lawyer -- here, says the Times, the judge's numbers were fully 10 times the state average. And he did it fast, sometimes rendering a verdict "in the neighborhood of a minute-and-a-half to three minutes," according to the judge tasked with reconsidering Mr. Ciavarella's work...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123854010220075533.html

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 3:04pm

falah wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 10:48am:

Australian law is superior to Sharia law because we dont throw rape victims in jail.

Do you think we should throw rape victims in jail like they do under Islamic law Falah?

Quote:

British woman arested in Dubai after being raped
A 23 year old British woman on holiday in Dubai told police she had been rape,only to be arrested herself for having illegal sexual intercourse

http://www.smh.com.au/world/jailed-rape-victim-seeks-to-sue-commonwealth-20110605-1fnc6.html

Sharia law is pathetic it jails rape victims !

These are not simple rape cases, but involve the women intoxicating themselves beforehand which has confused the issue somewhat for the Dubai authorities.

Quote:

Despite approaching police about the attack, she was arrested after admitting to "illegal drinking" outside licensed premise

Quote:

Ms Gali spent eight months in a Dubai prison after the alleged assault by three co-workers while drinking at the resort bar in June 2008.

[/quote]

Riiight the girls were intoxicated so that makes it ok to rape them,Is that what you are saying Falah?

As for your Sheik does he say it is not a crime to rape your wife?
Do you think it is a crime to rape your wife Falah?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hgKcFXfRA0

Why does this Islamic website say 4 trustworthy men are required unless the fornicator admits it?

Quote:

The crime of zina is not confirmed except if the fornicator admits it ,or with the testimoney of four trustworthy men,while the testimoney of women is not accepted
Source-http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=156817

How is the Al shabab run Somalia suit you Falah,Is it Islamic enough for you?

Quote:

A young woman recently stoned to death in Somalia pleaded for her life.
Dont kill me, dont kill me she said ,a few minutes later ,more than 50 men threw stones.

Human rights group Amnesty International says the victim was a 13 year old girl who had been raped.
Source- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7708169.stm

Her family reported she had been raped so why did she get stoned to death Falah?

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by falah on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 7:23pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 3:04pm:

Riiight the girls were intoxicated so that makes it ok to rape them,Is that what you are saying Falah?

No moron. That is not what I am saying.

In Islam, any sex outside of marriage is a major sin...Islamic law orders a mandatory sentence of a flogging or death depending on the marital status of the culprit.

What I am saying is that Dubai culture looks at drinking differently to Australian culture. Drinking is considered a sin. If someone gets so drunk that they end up getting raped by strangers, the authorities feel that the deterrent to public intoxication needs to be made.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 3:04pm:

As for your Sheik does he say it is not a crime to rape your wife?
Do you think it is a crime to rape your wife Falah?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hgKcFXfRA0

The sheikh does not say "it is OK to rape your wife". He is saying that a good woman does not reject her husbands sexual needs. This is common sense, and helps to maintain the marital relationship.

If you look carefully the second half of the video, the sheikh is talking about Western laws encourages women to reject their husbands sexual needs - which is stupid because it harms the marital relationship, and could lead to the husband seeeking extra-marital affairs.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 3:04pm:

Why does this Islamic website say 4 trustworthy men are required unless the fornicator admits it?

Quote:

The crime of zina is not confirmed except if the fornicator admits it ,or with the testimoney of four trustworthy men,while the testimoney of women is not accepted

That is for the mandatory sentence for adultery and fornication in Islamic law - not rape. In the case of rape, the victims testimony could be enough, but the punishments are not mandatory - the judge has more discretion over the punishment. In some cases a rapist could be crucified or face double amputation or imprisonment.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 3:04pm:

How is the Al shabab run Somalia suit you Falah,Is it Islamic enough for you?
[quote]A young woman recently stoned to death in Somalia pleaded for her life.
Dont kill me, dont kill me she said ,a few minutes later ,more than 50 men threw stones.

Human rights group Amnesty International says the victim was a 13 year old girl who had been raped.
Source- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7708169.stm

Her family reported she had been raped so why did she get stoned to death Falah?

Yes the BBC keeps saying that she was 13 despite the Shabab Government and civilian witnesses saying she was actually 23:

Quote:

Residents report said that the woman whose name Aisha Ibrahim that was 23 years old was stoned...
http://allafrica.com/stories/200810271851.html

Quote:

"Our sister Aisha asked the Islamic Sharia court in Kismayo to be charged and punished for the crime she committed," local Islamist leader Sheikh Hayakallah told the crowd.

"She was asked several times to review her confession, but she stressed that she wanted Sharia law and the deserved punishment to apply."

The execution was carried in one of the city's main squares.
http://www.iol.co.za/news/africa/somali-woman-stoned-to-death-1.422043

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by warrigal on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 7:33pm

He,s done his time, don't try to make this like the ridicously situation in other countrys

Public linchings

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Annie Anthrax on Jan 30^th, 2012 at 4:30pm

I'd be willing to bet that his victims got a life sentence. He should too (at the very least).

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by falah on Jan 30^th, 2012 at 5:26pm

warrigal wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 7:33pm:

He,s done his time, don't try to make this like the ridicously situation in other countrys

Public linchings

If Australia was truly democratic, I think that violent serial rapists would be executed.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Uncle Meat on Jan 30^th, 2012 at 5:49pm

falah wrote on Jan 30^th, 2012 at 5:26pm:

warrigal wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 7:33pm:

He,s done his time, don't try to make this like the ridicously situation in other countrys

Public linchings

If Australia was truly democratic, I think that violent serial rapists would be executed.

Outdated, barbaric acts of state-sanctioned killing have absolutely nothing to do with democracy.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by falah on Jan 31^st, 2012 at 8:42pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 30^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

Outdated, barbaric acts of state-sanctioned killing have absolutely nothing to do with democracy.

In a lot of countries, the majority of people support the death penalty.

Like the US:

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Uncle Meat on Jan 31^st, 2012 at 9:52pm

falah wrote on Jan 31^st, 2012 at 8:42pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 30^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

Outdated, barbaric acts of state-sanctioned killing have absolutely nothing to do with democracy.

In a lot of countries, the majority of people support the death penalty.

Like the US:

A lot of countries are full of crazy people.

Like the US.

Capital punishment is an outdated, barbaric act.
There's no place in a civilised society for state-sanctioned killing.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:50pm

falah wrote on Jan 31^st, 2012 at 8:42pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 30^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

Outdated, barbaric acts of state-sanctioned killing have absolutely nothing to do with democracy.

In a lot of countries, the majority of people support the death penalty.

Like the US:

Many states have abolished the death penalty in the USA falah,current talk is to do away with it altogether.

The last person executed here was Ronald Ryan about 45 years ago.

If you behave like an animal we lock you in a cage like an animal and stamp -
'NEVER TO BE RELEASED' on your papers.

Jail is very difficult for child molestors and rapists,criminals have kids as well they dont like people who take advantage of kids and these 2 crimes make you the lowest of the low lifes in jail.

The Pakistani gang rapists thought they could rape young girls because they were not wearing the hijab they did some terrible things.
Two of them were bashed in jail and one hung himself with a bed sheet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashfield_gang_rapes

Sharia law gives you this - Al Shabab would be Sunni Islam Falah?

Quote:

A Somali woman of 20 has been stoned to death after admitting she had an affair,an Islamic militantjudge said today.
The woman was a divorcee-but even though she was no longer married,her affair was seen as adultery.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1228956/Somali-woman-20-stoned-death-Islamic-militants-admitting-affair-boyfriend.html

Would stoning consenting adults to death be what you consider the superior morality of Islam falah?

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by falah on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 10:43am

often, I have heard the phrase America has lost its moral compass. However, an overwhelming majority think that adultery is wrong:

US attitude on adultery:

...virtually no one advocates adultery.

In fact, a majority of those surveyed in national polls continue to voice strong disapproval.

A 1989 survey from the Kinsey Institute for Sex Research at Indiana University showed 87 percent of 3,000 respondents describing extramarital sex as ``always wrong`` or ``almost always wrong.`'...

Divorce attorney Mitchelson says that in 34 years of practice he has seen adultery lose its stigma. ``I think it is a reflection of a society that has a lot fewer moral dictates than we used to have,`` he says. ``We treat marriage as something you can go in and out of.``

``There`s been a real change in the climate,`` says Weiner, co-author of a book about adultery called Stale-Mate. ``There`s no longer such a sense of being judged by the outside world. There`s a sense that you`re entitled to a good life, that you only go around once, that life is hard and that you should grab all the pleasure you can get.``

Therapists like Weiner point to their clients as a gauge of changing attitudes. When she began her practice 26 years ago, Weiner says, her patients would see her for months before discussing an affair. ``Now they come in, sit down, and tell me in the first session that they`re seeing someone. I have never seen so many people talk about affairs as they are now.``

Weiner offers the example of a friend, who was considering marrying an older man. ``The sex isn`t so great,`` her friend told her. ``But she said that was no problem, because she could always have an affair.``

Fred Humphrey, a University of Connecticut professor who has had a private practice for more than 30 years, says adultery ``is still a source of enormous trauma, anger and strife`` in marital therapy. ``There`s still an enormous hurt and shock when infidelity occurs.``

All the enlightenment in the world cannot diminish the effect when adultery hits home, Humphrey says. When it actually touches them, Humphrey says, ``people really still get socked between the eyes.``

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1991-06-06/features/9103020284_1_advocates-adultery-adultery-causes-grief-marcella-weiner

http://themonkeycage.org/blog/2011/07/27/americans-have-become-more-opposed-to-adultery-why/

Irish survey on adultery

http://www.ark.ac.uk/sol/surveys/gen_social_att/nisa/1991/website/Religious_Observance/ADULTERY.html

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by BigOl64 on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 11:15am

Uncle Meat wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:36pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:33pm:

Then what's your solution?

Life imprisonment.

There's not really much else.

Well thankfully we are so 'civilised' that life in prison is only 15 years and we do not have consecutive sentencing and EVERYONE no matter how vile gets to go free.

Like all sniveltarians you only have weak solutions or none at all.

7 billion people on this planet, we can afford to lose a few

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Uncle Meat on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 12:03pm

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 11:15am:

Like all sniveltarians you only have weak solutions or none at all.

Making up cute little words does nothing to help to your "argument". If anything, they just make you look rather childish.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 11:15am:

7 billion people on this planet, we can afford to lose a few

You don't get to make that decision. Sorry.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by BigOl64 on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 12:11pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 12:03pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 11:15am:

Like all sniveltarians you only have weak solutions or none at all.

Making up cute little words do nothing to help to your "argument". If anything, they just make you look rather childish.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 11:15am:

7 billion people on this planet, we can afford to lose a few

You don't get to make that decision. Sorry.

Like I said you only have weak solutions or none at all. Filth can be disposed of with the rest of the garbage and no-one would be worse off, unlike now where it gets to 'have another go' because of weak people like yourself.

Kill it or store it until it dies of old age, but NEVER let it walk free.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Uncle Meat on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 12:32pm

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 12:11pm:

Like I said you only have weak solutions or none at all.

Incorrect. Furthermore, saying it twice won't make you correct.

Life imprisonment with no chance of parole is hardly a weak solution.

Although that option may not exist now, there's nothing stopping it from being introduced in the future. For extreme cases, I would certainly advocate its use.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 12:11pm:

... because of weak people like yourself.

Personal insults do nothing to help your "argument".

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 12:11pm:

... Kill it ...

The death penalty doesn't exist in this country, and it never will.

Captial punishment is a "weak solution" (i.e. it's just an easy way out for weak people).

Resorting to violence is no way to solve problems. State-sanctioned killing is quite simply an outdated, barbaric practice that has no place in a civilised country like Australia.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by BigOl64 on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 12:58pm

See that's the problem, judges would never give anyone life with no chance of parole or the DP; the various p1ss weak governments touting their tough on crime cred, they know it will never get used even if it was in place.

Personally I prefer the DP to the slow death model of life without parole, but we will never see either in this country.

Need to start replacing weak judges for serious crimes.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Annie Anthrax on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 1:40pm

Quote:

State-sanctioned killing is quite simply an outdated, barbaric practice that has no place in a civilised country like Australia.

What is war if not state-sanctioned killing?

We're not too civilised for that, are we?

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Uncle Meat on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 1:48pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 1:40pm:

Quote:

State-sanctioned killing is quite simply an outdated, barbaric practice that has no place in a civilised country like Australia.

What is war if not state-sanctioned killing?

We're not too civilised for that, are we?

War is most certainly not civilised.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Uncle Meat on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 3:56pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 1:40pm:

Quote:

State-sanctioned killing is quite simply an outdated, barbaric practice that has no place in a civilised country like Australia.

What is war if not state-sanctioned killing?

There are some major differences between war and capital punishment.

e.g. soldiers don't shoot unarmed men who are strapped down and unable to move. Moreover, they don't plan it out several months in advance.

Title: Re: Serial Rapist Freed
Post by Annie Anthrax on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 4:37pm

Quote:

soldiers don't shoot unarmed men who are strapped down and unable to move

No - they just torture them while they're strapped down and unable to move. That's much better. Think Abu Ghraib.

Quote:

they don't plan it out several months in advance.

Of course they do.

How much collaterol damage is caused by a lethal injection?