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Title: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by falah on Jan 25^th, 2012 at 12:00pm

Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic calls

A Jewish man was under arrest on hate-crime charges on Monday, accused of making anti-Semitic telephone calls to his mother and other elderly women and putting swastikas on apartment doors, police said.

A family business dispute drove David Haddad, 56, of Manhattan, who is Jewish, to make threatening phone calls to his mother, 80, and two other women, ages 87 and 78, a police source said.

"He threatened to kill the other individual on the phone as well as her relatives," said a police spokesman. "He said basically that all Jews should die and go to hell."

Haddad, who was charged with aggravated harassment as a hate crime, also was accused of taping notes with anti-Semitic symbols including swastikas on five apartment doors and in the hallway of a building in the Chelsea neighborhood of Manhattan.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/16/us-crime-newyork-hate-idUSTRE80F1SL20120116

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by Soren on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 8:29pm

Arrested, eh?
I shudder to think what Muslim would have done to one of their own if he had said that the Zionists are doing a good job and all Pallos could go and jump. They ould have had to honour-kill him.

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:17pm

Ahh I love Israels rule over the US.. Its funny how its a crime to draw a swastika, but only logical to commit genocide on the premise that you had genocide commited on you.

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:19pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:17pm:

Ahh I love Israels rule over the US.. Its funny how its a crime to draw a swastika, but only logical to commit genocide on the premise that you had genocide commited on you.

What genocide?? who's being genocided??

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by Soren on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:22pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:17pm:

Ahh I love Israels rule over the US.. Its funny how its a crime to draw a swastika, but only logical to commit genocide on the premise that you had genocide commited on you.

Well, a lot of Muslims are murdered by, er, other Muslims but I wouldn't call it genocide....

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by falah on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 6:33pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:19pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:17pm:

Ahh I love Israels rule over the US.. Its funny how its a crime to draw a swastika, but only logical to commit genocide on the premise that you had genocide commited on you.

What genocide?? who's being genocided??

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 10:58pm

falah wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 6:33pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:19pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:17pm:

Ahh I love Israels rule over the US.. Its funny how its a crime to draw a swastika, but only logical to commit genocide on the premise that you had genocide commited on you.

What genocide?? who's being genocided??

Still the same question...
Is your answer that a map was genocided??

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 11:03am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:19pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:17pm:

Ahh I love Israels rule over the US.. Its funny how its a crime to draw a swastika, but only logical to commit genocide on the premise that you had genocide commited on you.

What genocide?? who's being genocided??

Palestine

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 11:04am

falah wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 6:33pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:19pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:17pm:

Ahh I love Israels rule over the US.. Its funny how its a crime to draw a swastika, but only logical to commit genocide on the premise that you had genocide commited on you.

What genocide?? who's being genocided??

What he said

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 12:51pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

falah wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 6:33pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:19pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:17pm:

Ahh I love Israels rule over the US.. Its funny how its a crime to draw a swastika, but only logical to commit genocide on the premise that you had genocide commited on you.

What genocide?? who's being genocided??

What he said

Why does that map show Gaza as Palestinian land between 49-67 when Egypt had control of it.
Egypt lost Gaza to Israel in the 6 day 1967 war.
Israel gave Gaza back.

The West bank was occupied by Jordan who lost it in the 1967 6 day war against Israel.
Why does the map claim it was Palestine when Jordan was occupying it?

If you are going to use maps for propaganda it might help if you make them accurate otherwise people will discount it as bullsh1t.

Pakistan was created in a similar manner to Israel by the west on land stolen from the Hindu.
Did the muslims ever thank the west for creating Pakistan?
Do you see the hindu acting the same way as these butthurt muslims?

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:10pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 11:03am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:19pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:17pm:

Ahh I love Israels rule over the US.. Its funny how its a crime to draw a swastika, but only logical to commit genocide on the premise that you had genocide commited on you.

What genocide?? who's being genocided??

Palestine

Small problem puppet...The maps are wrong (the legend at any rate)...Under the British Mandate andPartition Plan, there was no land assigned to 'Palestinians'.....because everyone living in the Mandate, whether Arab, Christian or Jew was Palestinian...
There were also no plans to create a 'Palestinian' homeland....There was going to be an Arab country and a Jewish country....

The term Palestinian, as a specific name for the Arab inhabitiants of the area, did not occour until the 1960s....

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by falah on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:30pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

The term Palestinian, as a specific name for the Arab inhabitiants of the area, did not occour until the 1960s....

Have you ever read the Bible? Because the Palestinians are mentioned in some of the oldest parts of it.

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 6:25pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 11:03am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:19pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:17pm:

Ahh I love Israels rule over the US.. Its funny how its a crime to draw a swastika, but only logical to commit genocide on the premise that you had genocide commited on you.

What genocide?? who's being genocided??

Palestine

At the end of the day nothing they can claim makes it ok to slaughter thousands of men, women and children in the name of such trivial bullcrap

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by Soren on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 7:48pm

falah wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:30pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

The term Palestinian, as a specific name for the Arab inhabitiants of the area, did not occour until the 1960s....

Have you ever read the Bible? Because the Palestinians are mentioned in some of the oldest parts of it.

They are not today's palestinians, who are mostly Muslims. They are the philistines.

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by falah on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 8:09pm

Soren wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 7:48pm:

falah wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:30pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

The term Palestinian, as a specific name for the Arab inhabitiants of the area, did not occour until the 1960s....

Have you ever read the Bible? Because the Palestinians are mentioned in some of the oldest parts of it.

They are not today's palestinians, who are mostly Muslims. They are the philistines.

There are still about 300,000 Christians living in palestine. There were many more there before the Jewish invasion. There are religions amongst Palestinans like the Druze.

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by Soren on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 8:21pm

falah wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 7:48pm:

falah wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:30pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

The term Palestinian, as a specific name for the Arab inhabitiants of the area, did not occour until the 1960s....

Have you ever read the Bible? Because the Palestinians are mentioned in some of the oldest parts of it.

They are not today's palestinians, who are mostly Muslims. They are the philistines.

There are still about 300,000 Christians living in palestine. There were many more there before the Jewish invasion. There are religions amongst Palestinans like the Druze.

Most of those Christians are immigrants.

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 11:12pm

falah wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:30pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

The term Palestinian, as a specific name for the Arab inhabitiants of the area, did not occour until the 1960s....

Have you ever read the Bible? Because the Palestinians are mentioned in some of the oldest parts of it.

Yes, true the Jews are mentioned in it.....

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 11:25am

falah wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:30pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

The term Palestinian, as a specific name for the Arab inhabitiants of the area, did not occour until the 1960s....

Have you ever read the Bible? Because the Palestinians are mentioned in some of the oldest parts of it.

Are they called philistines or palestinians?

The Quran mentions Israel.

If the Quran is the words of Allah then Allah recognises Israel which is something muslims cannot do.

Muslims misquote this verse frequently they leave out the first bit because the reality is this verse does not apply to muslims yet they will make out it does when they leave out the first bit.

Quote:

We have decreed for the children of Israel......

When did muslims become known as the children of Israel?

http://quran.com/5/32

Tick all the boxes for all translators as some words like "democracy" do not have an equivalent in the arabic language.

The next verse 5:33 does apply to muslims
http://quran.com/5/33

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 11:40am

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 11:25am:

falah wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:30pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

The term Palestinian, as a specific name for the Arab inhabitiants of the area, did not occour until the 1960s....

Have you ever read the Bible? Because the Palestinians are mentioned in some of the oldest parts of it.

We have decreed for the children of Israel......

When did muslims become known as the children of Israel?

http://quran.com/5/32

Tick all the boxes for all translators as some words like "democracy" do not have an equivalent in the arabic language.

The next verse 5:33 does apply to muslims
http://quran.com/5/33

Both actually Baron...
The Romans change the names of Israel, Judea and Samaria to Palæstina (Palestine) after a revolt by the Jewish people, in Arabic it translates as Filistin, a corruption of Philistine...

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by falah on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 1:02pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 11:25am:

Are they called philistines or palestinians?

There is no letter "P" in Arab. "Palestine" is an English corrutpion of the Semitic name Falasteen.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 11:25am:

The Quran mentions Israel.

If the Quran is the words of Allah then Allah recognises Israel which is something muslims cannot do.

Mentioned in the Qur'an is "the Tribes of Israel" - meaning the offspring of Prophet Jacob. Prophet Jacob and his son, Prophet Joseph are recognised by Muslims as are the tribes of Israel. Just because the Quran mentions the tribes of Israel does not mean that the modern state of Israel is legitimate. If I start an organisation and name it "Israel" does that mean that I can go around stealing land? Most citizens of the mosern state of Israel are not even descended from the tribes of Israel anyway.

Quote:

Muslims misquote this verse frequently they leave out the first bit because the reality is this verse does not apply to muslims yet they will make out it does when they leave out the first bit.

[quote]We have decreed for the children of Israel......

When did muslims become known as the children of Israel?

http://quran.com/5/32

[/quote]

The early tribes of Israel were Muslims. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph were all Muslims.

And Abraham instructed his sons [to do the same] and [so did] Jacob, [saying], "O my sons, indeed God has chosen for you this religion, so do not die except while you are Muslims."
http://quran.com/2/132

...Or were you witnesses when death approached Jacob, when he said to his sons, "What will you worship after me?" They said, "We will worship your God and the God of your fathers, Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac - one God. And we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
http://quran.com/2/133

Say, [O believers], "We have believed in God and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
http://quran.com/2/136

Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants were Jews or Christians? Say, "Are you more knowing or is God?" And who is more unjust than one who conceals a testimony he has from God? And God is not unaware of what you do.
http://quran.com/2/140

Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was an Orthodox Muslim. And he was not of the polytheists.
http://quran.com/3/67

Indeed, the most worthy of Abraham among the people are those who followed him [in submission to God ] and this prophet, and those who believe [in his message]. And God is the ally of the Believers.
http://quran.com/3/68

Say, "We have believed in God and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him."
http://quran.com/3/84

And strive for God with the striving due to Him. He has chosen you and has not placed upon you in the religion any difficulty. [It is] the religion of your father, Abraham. God named you "Muslims" before [in former scriptures] and in this [revelation] that the Messenger may be a witness over you and you may be witnesses over the people. So establish prayer and give alms and hold fast to God. He is your protector; and excellent is the protector, and excellent is the helper.
http://quran.com/22/78

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 11:25am:

Tick all the boxes for all translators as some words like "democracy" do not have an equivalent in the arabic language.

What is the point you are trying to make? Modern Arabic, like Modern English, uses the Greek word. Arabised it becomes "deemoqraatiyyah" (ديمقراطية).

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 1:44pm

falah wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 1:02pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 11:25am:

Are they called philistines or palestinians?

There is no letter "P" in Arab. "Palestine" is an English corrutpion of the Semitic name Falasteen.

Yup, that's pretty much what I told him....

Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was an Orthodox Muslim. And he was not of the polytheists.

Abraham wasn't Jewish OR Muslim...He predated both religions..as to 'polytheism'..that's a bit up in the air...

Technically, Abraham's son Isaac was the 'Father' of Judaism, and his half older brother Ismael was the 'Father' of Islam...

So Abraham's oldest son Ismael was the ancestor of Muhammad (the son of Abraham's wife's maid, Hagar), and the founder of Islam...And Isaac, his half brother( by Abraham's wife Sarah ), was the founder of Judaism...

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:08pm

Although there is a thousand (or more) year gap...

If I was cynical ( which I am) I'd say that Ismael's children, grandchildren etc were Jewish....and it was his great-great-great grandson ( not sure how many 'greats' we need, given the apparent ages involved) that started Islam....

If nothing else...it's an interesting family dynamic.

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:13pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Abraham wasn't Jewish OR Muslim...He predated both religions..as to 'polytheism'..that's a bit up in the air...

Technically, Abraham's son Isaac was the 'Father' of Judaism, and his half older brother Ismael was the 'Father' of Islam...

Islam did not exist before Mohammad created it.

By claiming these (so called) prophets are also prophets of Islam is deceptive.

By claiming these prophets who had nothing to do with Islam were muslims it allows Islam to Islamify history prior to Mo creating it.

Mohammad tried to steal the jewish religion,he told the jews he was their new prophet,he even fasted on the jewish day of atonement,adopted many dietry and dress rules from the jews,the jews told him to piss off so he had them killed.
This is covered in the Sira of Ibn Hisham amongst other books.

The jews never accepted Mo as a prophet so he created his own religion by stealing the god along with the prophets from the Judeo christian beliefs.

The reason allah sent mo along is because judiasm and the christians has corrupted their books so Mo had to set things right.
Paradise is an exclusive club for muslims only- christians and jews go to the hellfire for reading the wrong books.

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by Yadda on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:42pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Islam did not exist before Mohammad created it.

By claiming these (so called) prophets are also prophets of Islam is deceptive.

Exactly so.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

By claiming these prophets who had nothing to do with Islam were muslims it allows Islam to Islamify history prior to Mo creating it.

Exactly so.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

Mohammad tried to steal the jewish religion,he told the jews he was their new prophet,he even fasted on the jewish day of atonement,adopted many dietry and dress rules from the jews,the jews told him to piss off so he had them killed.

Exactly so.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

This is covered in the Sira of Ibn Hisham amongst other books.

The jews never accepted Mo as a prophet so he created his own religion by stealing the god along with the prophets from the Judeo christian beliefs.

Exactly so.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

The reason allah sent mo along is because judiasm and the christians has corrupted their books so Mo had to set things right.

Paradise is an exclusive club for muslims only- christians and jews go to the hellfire for reading the wrong books.

This is so, ......according to moslems.

+++

Whenever moslems are speaking to Jews and Christians [when comparing Judaism, Christianity, with ISLAM], moslems ALWAYS claim that ISLAM is a 'continuation' of Judaism and Christianity.

And that moslems, and Jews, and Christians, .....are, 'all people of the book'.

n.b.
Moslems present ISLAM this way, so as to try to give validity to ISLAM, in the eyes of Jews and Christians.

e.g.
GOOD MOSLEM SPEAKS TO NON-MOSLEM AUDIENCE - blatant deceit
"The Undercover Mosque: The return"
"A group of Christians visiting the mosque and the preacher and the Women's Circle treat [the Christians] kindly and talk about,
'We're all people of the book and we all come from the same history'."

BUT, THE SAME GOOD MOSLEM SPEAKS TO A *MOSLEM* AUDIENCE...
"Just as soon as that group of visitors [the Christians] leaves, the language changes completely. 'CHRISTIANITY IS VILE', the preacher says....."

Source;
ABC Radio National Religion interview transcript - "The Undercover Mosque: The return"
".....Stephen Crittenden: .....your program highlights a certain kind of duplicity. When they're caught out, individuals don't miss a [beat], they just say they've been taken out of context....
David Henshaw: ......Regent's Park Mosque is officially committed to inter-faith dialogue....."
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2008/2360820.htm#transcript

IMO, what 'religious' non-moslems need to realise, is that the intentional, blatant deceit, coming from the lips of moslems, lies about a 'tolerant', 'peaceful' ISLAM, is often delivered as part of a moslem 'inter-faith dialogue', with people of other faiths.

BUT, whenever moslems are heard [e.g. recorded] to speak to a moslem audience [about Judaism and Christianity], moslems ALWAYS portray ISLAM as a REPUDIATION and a TOTAL REPLACEMENT of Judaism and Christianity.

i.e.
There is no place, and no validity for either Judaism OR, Christianity, .....in the moslem psyche.

Dictionary;
repudiate = =
1 refuse to accept or be associated with.
2 deny the truth or validity of.

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 3:44pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Yeah, but that's true for ALL of the Abrahamic religions...

Basically..Judaism is monotheistic religion version 1.0, Christianity is 1.5 and Islam is 2.0...

All the same, allowing for updates...

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by Yadda on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 4:03pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 3:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Yeah, but that's true for ALL of the Abrahamic religions...

Basically..Judaism is monotheistic religion version 1.0, Christianity is 1.5 and Islam is 2.0...

All the same, allowing for updates...

That may be the superficial, and the uniformed perspective of Judaism, Christianity and ISLAM, by outsiders, or the perspective of those with a 'naive' knowledge of their faith.

It isn't mine.

From my own perspective....

Judaism is Judaism v1.0

The sect of Jesus is Judaism v2.0

To me ISLAM is faux Judaism v3.0 [As a confirmation compare, read, the OT texts, then read the Koran and Hadith texts. For myself, doing this, was like comparing cheese with chalk.]

+++

From my own perspective, Judaism [OT scripture], and Christianity [NT scripture] are two sides of the exact same coin.

From my perspective Christianity, is NOTHING, without the influence of Judaism and without what Judaism 'brings to the table'.

The words of Jesus himself.....

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 4:28pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 3:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Yeah, but that's true for ALL of the Abrahamic religions...

Basically..Judaism is monotheistic religion version 1.0, Christianity is 1.5 and Islam is 2.0...

All the same, allowing for updates...

Islam 2.0 is malware that will infect any operating system without antivirus software.

Mohammad made the 1.0 and 1.5 beliefs obsolete according to Islam, they are using a flawed fake operating system with 2.0 being the only true system.

When you have a separate set of rules for dealing with non believers that makes this a political ideology.
Kishori Saran Lal did some statistics on the Quran,its about 63% political and around 37% religion.

Islam is really a form of tribal Arab imperialism which is protected because it has about 37% religion.

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by falah on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 7:58pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

The jews never accepted Mo as a prophet so he created his own religion by stealing the god along with the prophets from the Judeo christian beliefs.

In Madina, some of the greatest rabbis amongst the jews converted to Islam.

Once again you expose your ignorance. The fact is that most of the Arabian jews converted to Islam. Yemen was a Jewish Arab country that converted to Islam.

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christians and jews go to the hellfire for reading the wrong books.

As far as the Jews are concerning, their faith meant believing in the original Torah and following the way of Moses (peace be upon him) until Jesus (peace be upon him) came, after which whoever continued to follow the Torah and the way of Moses, and did not leave this and follow Jesus, was doomed. As far as the Christians are concerned, their faith meant believing in the original Gospel and following the laws of Jesus; whoever did this was a believer whose faith was acceptable to God, until Muhammad (peace and blessings of God be upon him) came, after which whoever did not follow Muhammad and leave the way of Jesus and the Gospel that he had been following before, was doomed.

Sheikh Muhammed Salih al-Munajjid

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 7:16am

falah wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 7:58pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

The jews never accepted Mo as a prophet so he created his own religion by stealing the god along with the prophets from the Judeo christian beliefs.

In Madina, some of the greatest rabbis amongst the jews converted to Islam.
Once again you expose your ignorance. The fact is that most of the Arabian jews converted to Islam. Yemen was a Jewish Arab country that converted to Islam.

Quote:

christians and jews go to the hellfire for reading the wrong books.

Once again you expose your ignorance. In Islam we are taught that Jews or Christian who followed their books, and did not commit polytheism, and were ignorant of Islam.

“Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allaah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.”
[The Quran, al-Baqarah 2:62]

“Surely, those who believe, those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians – whosoever believed in Allaah and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” [The Qur'anal-Maa’idah 5:69]

[quote]As far as the Jews are concerning, their faith meant believing in the original Torah and following the way of Moses (peace be upon him) until Jesus (peace be upon him) came, after which whoever continued to follow the Torah and the way of Moses, and did not leave this and follow Jesus, was doomed. As far as the Christians are concerned, their faith meant believing in the original Gospel and following the laws of Jesus; whoever did this was a believer whose faith was acceptable to God, until Muhammad (peace and blessings of God be upon him) came, after which whoever did not follow Muhammad and leave the way of Jesus and the Gospel that he had been following before, was doomed.

Sheikh Muhammed Salih al-Munajjid

[/quote]

Since it was a choice of convert or die, I don't see that as something for Islam to be proud of....

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by falah on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 9:09am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 7:16am:

falah wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 7:58pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

The jews never accepted Mo as a prophet so he created his own religion by stealing the god along with the prophets from the Judeo christian beliefs.

In Madina, some of the greatest rabbis amongst the jews converted to Islam.
Once again you expose your ignorance. The fact is that most of the Arabian jews converted to Islam. Yemen was a Jewish Arab country that converted to Islam.

Quote:

christians and jews go to the hellfire for reading the wrong books.

Since it was a choice of convert or die, I don't see that as something for Islam to be proud of....[/quote]

Incorrect.

A companion of Prophet Muhammed, Anas, observed that: "A young man from among the Jews used to serve the Messenger of God (peace and blessings of God be upon him). The boy became sick, and the Prophet came to visit him when he was on his death-bed. He called him to Islam, and the boy looked at his father, who was standing by his head. His father said, “Listen to the father of Qasim.” [Qasim was the son of the Prophet]. So the boy became Muslim, then he died. The Prophet of God came away from him saying, “Praise be to God Who has saved him from the Hell-Fire.”" ( Ahmad, 12896; also narrated in Saheeh al-Bukhaari, 1268).

Anas also narrated how one of the Jewish rabbis of Madina converted to Islam:

"When Abdullah bin Shalom heard the arrival of the Prophet at Medina, he came to him and said, "I am going to ask you about three things which nobody knows except a prophet: What is the first portent of the Hour? What will be the first meal taken by the people of Paradise? Why does a child resemble its father, and why does it resemble its maternal uncle" The Prophet of God said, "Gabriel has just now told me of their answers." Abdullah said, "He (Gabriel), from amongst all the angels, is the enemy of the Jews." God's Prophet said, "The first portent of the Hour will be a fire that will bring together the people from the east to the west; the first meal of the people of Paradise will be the caudate lobe of fish-liver. As for the resemblance of the child to its parents: If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and, and what is discharged from his body (sperm) overpowers what comes from the woman's body (eggs) then the child will resemble him, and if what comes from the woman (eggs) overpowers then the child resembles her." [there was great superstition about the matter at the time in regards to what made a child resemble which parent. On that Abdullah bin Shalom said, "I testify that you are the Prophet of God." Abdullah bin Shalom further said, "O God's Prophet! The Jews are liars, and if they should come to know about my conversion to Islam before you ask them (about me), they would tell a lie about me." The Jews came to God's Prophet and Abdullah went inside the house. God's Prophet asked (the Jews), "What kind of man is Abdullah bin Shalom amongst you?" They replied, "He is the most learned person amongst us, and the best amongst us, and the son of the best amongst us." God's Prophet said, "What do you think if he embraces Islam (will you do as he does)?" The Jews said, "May God save him from it." Then Abdullah bin Shalom came out in front of them saying, "I testify that None has the right to be worshipped but God and that Muhammad is the Apostle of God." Thereupon they said, "He is the evilest among us, and the son of the evilest amongst us," and continued talking badly of him.
(Bukhari)

Abdullah bin Shalom was was highly respected amongst the Muslims as were many other Jewish converts to Islam. Many Islamic scholars have included the speeches of Jewish converts to islam in their books.

I am very happy for these Jews who have been guided by God Almighty to Islam:

More Jews converting to Islam
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3274735,00.html

Jewish Rabbi who embraced Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=IN&hl=en-GB&client=mv-google&rl=yes&v=IwwsM4guSIU

Joseph Cohen aka Yusuf Khattab - a jew converted to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=IN&hl=en-GB&client=mv-google&v=DabIO_gwRgo

Israeli Jewish Girl From USA Converted to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=IN&hl=en-GB&client=mv-google&rl=yes&v=Ao14WYXodSo

British Jew Converts to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rty9EWzPpd0

Jewish girl converts to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h6ZGV-5sqo

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 2:00pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 7:16am:

falah wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 7:58pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 2:13pm:

The jews never accepted Mo as a prophet so he created his own religion by stealing the god along with the prophets from the Judeo christian beliefs.

In Madina, some of the greatest rabbis amongst the jews converted to Islam.
Once again you expose your ignorance. The fact is that most of the Arabian jews converted to Islam. Yemen was a Jewish Arab country that converted to Islam.

Quote:

christians and jews go to the hellfire for reading the wrong books.

Since it was a choice of convert or die, I don't see that as something for Islam to be proud of....[/quote]

Yes the verse of the sword-
http://quran.com/9/5
Sounds like convert or die to me.

Jews reverting to Islam?
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Genocide_of_Banu_Qurayza

Mecca and Medina were full of jews, today there are none.

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by falah on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 5:13pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

Since it was a choice of convert or die, I don't see that as something for Islam to be proud of....

Incorrect. The Jews were never forced to convert to Islam - that is why even today one can still find Jews, 1400 years later, still living in Yemen.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

Yes the verse of the sword-
http://quran.com/9/5
Sounds like convert or die to me.

The verse does not mention Jews. It was revealed in regards to the war that the Pagans had been waging against the Muslims. A peace treaty had been arranged that was to last 4 months. God says in the Quran that the peace treaty should be honoured as long as the Pagans honour it, and fighting should only resume when the 4 months treaty had concluded.

1. A declaration of immunity from God and His Messenger to those of the Polytheists, with whom you made a treaty.

2. So travel freely (O Polytheists) for four months throughout the land, but know that you cannot escape God, and God will disgrace the disbelievers.

3. And a declaration from God and His Messenger to mankind on the greatest day (the 10th day of Dhul-Hijjah - the 12th month of Islamic calendar - The Festival of the Sacrifice (of Abraham)) that God is free from (all) obligations to the polytheists and so is His Messenger. So if you (Polytheists) repent, it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) God. And give tidings of a painful torment to those who disbelieve.

4. Except those of the Polytheists with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely God loves the pious.

5. Then when the forbidden months have passed, then kill the polytheists (resume the war) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and establish prayer, and give alms, then leave their way free. Verily, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

6. And if anyone of the Polytheists seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of God (the Qur'an), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.

(The Quran, at-Tawbah)

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

Jews reverting to Islam?
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Genocide_of_Banu_Qurayza

Mecca and Medina were full of jews, today there are none.

Actually, Mecca was not known for having a jewish community. Madina did have alrge number of Jews. Some of them, the best of them, converted to Islam in the early days of the islamic state. However, the Jews of Madina were very aggressive warriors, known for their fighting skill. When they started to kill Muslims and join forces with the enemies of the state, the Muslims were forced to fight them. prophet Muhammed tried very hard to make peace with the Jews, but the Jews would often break theri promises of peace and join forces with the enemies of the Islamic state.

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 10:47am

falah wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 5:13pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

Since it was a choice of convert or die, I don't see that as something for Islam to be proud of....

Incorrect. The Jews were never forced to convert to Islam - that is why even today one can still find Jews, 1400 years later, still living in Yemen.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

Yes the verse of the sword-
http://quran.com/9/5
Sounds like convert or die to me.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

Jews reverting to Islam?
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Genocide_of_Banu_Qurayza

Mecca and Medina were full of jews, today there are none.

Why are you misleading people by claiming i said what is in your first quote when it was something written by Gizmo?

Its piss weak and pathetic of you to attribute something to me that was typed by someone else.

What about Mohammad's wives Juwariya and Safiyya?
Mohammad captured them from jewish tribes he attacked,they were married and muslims killed their husbands.
Mo was a kind man who married widows on the same day he had their husbands killed.

The verse of the sword shows muslim did force people to convert or die.
The jews had advanced agriculture methods and Mohammad decided it was better to make them dhimmi paying the jizya because muslims were too stupid to continue with what the jews could achieve.
The Jizya for the jews was a 50% tax on everything they produced.
The Jizya is really a tax muslims impose on non muslims so they can be themselves.

There is a hadith that says if you see a jew approaching you must force him to the narrowest part of the path.

There were a lot of jews in Mecca what is the story of Mo helping them when they could not decide which tribe should place a rock in the kaaba.
Did Mo tell them to put it on a rug and each of them should hold a corner?

Mecca was multicultural before Islam, There is evidence of religius harmony before Mohammad smashed and destroyed all the idols they worshipped like Manat,Allat,etc there were over 300 of them.
Khadija also shows women had more rights in Mecca before Islam than they do today.
Khadija was a businesswoman these days a woman cannot leave her home without a mahram(male relative forbidden to marry).

Spin the genocide of the Banu Qurayza anyway you like Falah.
If the broke a treaty then why did the Meccan soldiers who were after Mo for robbing the trade caravans go away empty handed?

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:21pm

falah wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 5:30pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

The term Palestinian, as a specific name for the Arab inhabitiants of the area, did not occour until the 1960s....

Have you ever read the Bible? Because the Palestinians are mentioned in some of the oldest parts of it.

You mean the King of Israel eh? :)

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:31pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 12:51pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

falah wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 6:33pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:19pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:17pm:

Ahh I love Israels rule over the US.. Its funny how its a crime to draw a swastika, but only logical to commit genocide on the premise that you had genocide commited on you.

What genocide?? who's being genocided??

What he said

Yep, those maps are crap, and bear no relation whatsoever to what historically occurred.
It's like that crap map that is taught to Gazan schoolchildren today that shows Israel marked as Palestine.
No grip on reality at all.

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by falah on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 10:52pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

The verse of the sword shows muslim did force people to convert or die.
The jews had advanced agriculture methods and Mohammad decided it was better to make them dhimmi paying the jizya because muslims were too stupid to continue with what the jews could achieve.
The Jizya for the jews was a 50% tax on everything they produced.
The Jizya is really a tax muslims impose on non muslims so they can be themselves.

Were they forced to convert or were they dhimmis? Your schizophrenic mind can't seem to make itself up.

The jizya was only applied to free adult males. Slaves, women, children, the old, the sick, monks, hermits and the poor, were all exempt from the tax.

The jizya was not "50% tax on everything they produced." as you claim. For example, at the height of the Abbassid Caliphate, the jizya was set at 48 dirhams for the richest (e.g. moneychangers), 24 for those of moderate wealth, and 12 for craftsmen and manual laborers.

1 dirham is about 3 grams of silver.

So in today's money, a rich Jew would only have paid about $60!
A dirham is about 3 grams of silver.

Even with your best accountants, I am sure that many Jews will pay more than $60 in tax to the Australian government (unless they are even more cunning than we are led to believe)

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

There were a lot of jews in Mecca what is the story of Mo helping them when they could not decide which tribe should place a rock in the kaaba.
Did Mo tell them to put it on a rug and each of them should hold a corner?

The people of mecca were polytheistic Pagans - even you admity they worshipped 300 gods. Does jewish law allow the worshipping of 300 Gods?

The Ka'abah was being rebuilt by pagans. The Pagans observed some of the rituals of Abraham, but they also worshipped idols.

The Jews of Arabia were mainly concentrated in Yemen and there were a few tribes in and around Madinah. Jewish tribes had migrated to Madinah because their traditions had told them that this would be the place where the prophet would appear.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

Khadija also shows women had more rights in Mecca before Islam than they do today.
Khadija was a businesswoman these days a woman cannot leave her home without a mahram(male relative forbidden to marry)

Not true. Khadijah was wealthy woman. Wealthy women and those from noble families were afforded more rights in pagan Arab culture. But ordinary women were treated like property; bought and sold on whims and often prostituted by their own fathers or husbands.

Today their are many businesswoman in the Muslim world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahed_Taher

http://www.forbes.com/profile/maha-al-ghunaim/

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/11/biz-07women_Imre-Barmanbek_JLUJ.html

http://www.forbes.com/2007/08/28/biz-07women_all_slide_95.html

http://www.forbes.com/2007/08/28/biz-07women_all_slide_97.html

http://halalfocus.net/2011/12/08/malaysia-uae-business-women-look-at-opportunities-in-islamic-finance-and-halal-food/

Anyone who has been to Dubai airport would have seen many women working in the stores there.

I have lived in many Muslim countries, and never saw women prevented from going outside without a guardian. I remember when I lived in Saudi Arabia , it was a mazing to see women walking around late at night shopping by themselves - in Australia it would not be safe for women to walk around at night by themselves.

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 8:18am

falah wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 5:13pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

Since it was a choice of convert or die, I don't see that as something for Islam to be proud of....

Incorrect.

You plucked those words from your ass.

Why are you quoting me for something that i did not type?

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by falah on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 1:39pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 7:16am:

Since it was a choice of convert or die, I don't see that as something for Islam to be proud of....

Incorrect. The Jews were never forced to convert to Islam - that is why even today one can still find Jews, 1400 years later, still living in Yemen.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

Yes the verse of the sword-
http://quran.com/9/5
Sounds like convert or die to me.

Jews reverting to Islam?
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Genocide_of_Banu_Qurayza

Mecca and Medina were full of jews, today there are none.

Title: Re: Jewish man arrested for swastikas, anti-Semitic ca
Post by falah on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 1:48pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

Why are you misleading people by claiming i said what is in your first quote when it was something written by Gizmo?

If anyone was mislead it was unintentional and only occurred because Gizmo quoted you previously.

When I quoted his post of quotes, your name was accidentally not removed.

There is no benefit to me in attributing a post from Gizmo to you. It was purely accidental, and it has been corrected.