Australia still racist, says surgeon Charlie Teo


Prominent neurosurgeon Charlie Teo has again courted controversy, by saying Australia remains a racist country.

Dr Teo has been appointed by the Australia Day Council of New South Wales to be its keynote speaker next week, and says he will not hold back.

He has told 702 ABC Sydney there may be less racism but it is still commonplace, with his daughter targeted for her Chinese appearance.

"When I was a young fellow there was quite a lot of racism and it was one of the major criticisms I had of Australia and I guess it was a reason why I embraced America when I went there for 10 years, one of the reasons at least," Dr Teo said.

"Since I've come back I haven't experienced as much racism as I had 50 years ago, but unfortunately I still think it's there.

"It's not something we should not talk about or cover up because it is unfortunately alive and still exists in Australia.

"I had an Indian neurosurgeon visiting me a couple of years ago and it was really sad. The fellow was standing at the traffic lights and some guy drove past and spat on him and told him to go home.

"I found it a little bit glib that politicians were reassuring the Indian government that anti-Indian sentiment didn't exist in Australia, but unfortunately I think it does.

"It's very difficult for people who aren't of Asian appearance to say that there's no anti-Asian sentiment... You've got to really be in their shoes to make statements like that."

Dr Teo says it is not only white Australians who are racist, though.

"There are so many races that are racist. Chinese for example are very racist. Some of the comments my mother made when she came out here first would surprise you," he said.

"It's not something that's unique to white Australians but when it's directed against an Asian, and I can only speak from that point of view, it's almost always white Australians."

It is a year since the surgeon last courted controversy, when he was criticised by other doctors for auctioning tickets to watch him operate on cancer patients.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-19/australia-still-racist2c-says-surgeon-charlie-teo/3782286

____ wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 10:26am:

Australia still racist, says surgeon Charlie Teo Prominent neurosurgeon Charlie Teo has again courted controversy, by saying Australia remains a racist country. Dr Teo has been appointed by the Australia Day Council of New South Wales to be its keynote speaker next week, and says he will not hold back. He has told 702 ABC Sydney there may be less racism but it is still commonplace, with his daughter targeted for her Chinese appearance. "When I was a young fellow there was quite a lot of racism and it was one of the major criticisms I had of Australia and I guess it was a reason why I embraced America when I went there for 10 years, one of the reasons at least," Dr Teo said. "Since I've come back I haven't experienced as much racism as I had 50 years ago, but unfortunately I still think it's there. "It's not something we should not talk about or cover up because it is unfortunately alive and still exists in Australia. "I had an Indian neurosurgeon visiting me a couple of years ago and it was really sad. The fellow was standing at the traffic lights and some guy drove past and spat on him and told him to go home. "I found it a little bit glib that politicians were reassuring the Indian government that anti-Indian sentiment didn't exist in Australia, but unfortunately I think it does. "It's very difficult for people who aren't of Asian appearance to say that there's no anti-Asian sentiment... You've got to really be in their shoes to make statements like that." Dr Teo says it is not only white Australians who are racist, though. "There are so many races that are racist. Chinese for example are very racist. Some of the comments my mother made when she came out here first would surprise you," he said. "It's not something that's unique to white Australians but when it's directed against an Asian, and I can only speak from that point of view, it's almost always white Australians." It is a year since the surgeon last courted controversy, when he was criticised by other doctors for auctioning tickets to watch him operate on cancer patients. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-19/australia-still-racist2c-says-surgeon-charlie-teo/3782286

[color=#ffff00"It's very difficult for people who aren't of Asian appearance to say that there's no anti-Asian sentiment... You've got to really be in their shoes to make statements like that."

Dr Teo says it is not only white Australians who are racist, though.

"There are so many races that are racist. Chinese for example are very racist. Some of the comments my mother made when she came out here first would surprise you," he said.

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What does it matter if we are?

Just hate everyone you don't know
Your not racists then, just an arsehole ;)

I think we're slightly better than average when it comes to the general population. The UK is a bit more racist than us.  The same goes for most European countries. The US is probably about the same. Indonesia - getting better but still more racist than us. In China, there is racism, but it's subtle.   
Russia is much more racist. Japan is probably the most racist of the lot.   

Canada and New Zealand are less racist.

In Indonesia and many parts of Africa you get what I'd term reverse racism. An Australian friend of mine of Indonesian origin says that when he stops at a hotel in Indonesia, he speaks English so that they give him better service.

muso wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 10:41am:

I think we're slightly better than average when it comes to the general population. The UK is a bit more racist than us.  The same goes for most European countries. The US is probably about the same. Indonesia - getting better but still more racist than us. In China, there is racism, but it's subtle.    Russia is much more racist. Japan is probably the most racist of the lot.    Canada and New Zealand are less racist. In Indonesia and many parts of Africa you get what I'd term reverse racism. An Australian friend of mine of Indonesian origin says that when he stops at a hotel in Indonesia, he speaks English so that they give him better service.

That might be more economic than race based.
English speaker = more money = bigger tip

muso wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 10:41am:

I think we're slightly better than average when it comes to the general population. The UK is a bit more racist than us.  The same goes for most European countries. The US is probably about the same. Indonesia - getting better but still more racist than us. In China, there is racism, but it's subtle.    Russia is much more racist. Japan is probably the most racist of the lot.    Canada and New Zealand are less racist. In Indonesia and many parts of Africa you get what I'd term reverse racism. An Australian friend of mine of Indonesian origin says that when he stops at a hotel in Indonesia, he speaks English so that they give him better service.

So all countries are racist to some extent.  Why worry then?  Why whip ourselves into a self-righteous frenzy over something that exists everywhere?  Perhaps it demonstrates that it's a natural part of life, and the current hysterical witchhunts are simply a manifestation of over zealous idiots creating a scapegoat to demonise.

... wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 10:45am:

muso wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 10:41am: I think we're slightly better than average when it comes to the general population. The UK is a bit more racist than us.  The same goes for most European countries. The US is probably about the same. Indonesia - getting better but still more racist than us. In China, there is racism, but it's subtle.    Russia is much more racist. Japan is probably the most racist of the lot.    Canada and New Zealand are less racist. In Indonesia and many parts of Africa you get what I'd term reverse racism. An Australian friend of mine of Indonesian origin says that when he stops at a hotel in Indonesia, he speaks English so that they give him better service. So all countries are racist to some extent.  Why worry then?  Why whip ourselves into a self-righteous frenzy over something that exists everywhere?  Perhaps it demonstrates that it's a natural part of life, and the current hysterical witchhunts are simply a manifestation of over zealous idiots creating a scapegoat to demonise.

I said it yesterday, too many undergrads trying to justify their existence instead of working. ;)

Massive uptake of psychology & suddenly every boy over 6 months has some sort of acronym & discipline will destroy creativity.

So, does the title  Australia belong under the racist picture?


http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/376062_10150559915875797_274330505796_11198033_517482070_n.jpg

... wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 10:45am:

muso wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 10:41am: I think we're slightly better than average when it comes to the general population. The UK is a bit more racist than us.  The same goes for most European countries. The US is probably about the same. Indonesia - getting better but still more racist than us. In China, there is racism, but it's subtle.    Russia is much more racist. Japan is probably the most racist of the lot.    Canada and New Zealand are less racist. In Indonesia and many parts of Africa you get what I'd term reverse racism. An Australian friend of mine of Indonesian origin says that when he stops at a hotel in Indonesia, he speaks English so that they give him better service. So all countries are racist to some extent.  Why worry then?  Why whip ourselves into a self-righteous frenzy over something that exists everywhere?  Perhaps it demonstrates that it's a natural part of life, and the current hysterical witchhunts are simply a manifestation of over zealous idiots creating a scapegoat to demonise.

Yep! That's my take on it.

wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

So, does the title  Australia belong under the racist picture? http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/376062_10150559915875797_274330505796_11198033_517482070_n.jpg

Aren't you one of the "the only real australians are aborigines" crowd? 
It's not very nice to imply "australians" (read: Aborigines) are of low intelligence.  It's true, but it's still not nice.

Kat wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 11:02am:

... wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 10:45am: muso wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 10:41am: I think we're slightly better than average when it comes to the general population. The UK is a bit more racist than us.  The same goes for most European countries. The US is probably about the same. Indonesia - getting better but still more racist than us. In China, there is racism, but it's subtle.    Russia is much more racist. Japan is probably the most racist of the lot.    Canada and New Zealand are less racist. In Indonesia and many parts of Africa you get what I'd term reverse racism. An Australian friend of mine of Indonesian origin says that when he stops at a hotel in Indonesia, he speaks English so that they give him better service. So all countries are racist to some extent.  Why worry then?  Why whip ourselves into a self-righteous frenzy over something that exists everywhere?  Perhaps it demonstrates that it's a natural part of life, and the current hysterical witchhunts are simply a manifestation of over zealous idiots creating a scapegoat to demonise. Yep! That's my take on it.

Good man.  I might add that these same 'over zealous idiots' have such compliant personalities, so devoid of individual thought, so in-line with 'groupthink' that in another era they would have displayed the exact same fervour in rooting out any 'designated enemies'.  THEY would have been the ones lynching black people from trees.  THEY would have been the ones ratting out jews to the nazis.

I voted 3.

Not because I'm racist......I'm not....I hate everyone equally.....especially Queenslanders during the State of Origin >:(.....and Pommies during the Ashes >:(.....

Oops is Pommy a racist term  :-/ .........

Australia has always had a racist redneck Government. 8-)

corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 12:19pm:

Australia has always had a racist redneck Government, look at the way they treat Asylum seekers and invade third world countries. 8-)

corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 12:21pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 12:19pm: Australia has always had a racist redneck Government, look at the way they treat Asylum seekers and invade third world countries. 8-)

Yeah they wouldn't let them Japs in back in 42 either....... :D

are you saying that brain size may have some relationship with intelligence, vegie? that could set a dangerous precedent.

Swagman wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 12:24pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 12:21pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 12:19pm: Australia has always had a racist redneck Government, look at the way they treat Asylum seekers and invade third world countries. 8-) Yeah they wouldn't let them Japs in back in 42 either....... :D

Too many rednecks, too little poo to throw at them. 8-)

'Learn English', Gambaro tells migrants

MIGRANTS should learn English soon after arriving in Australia to avoid racism, federal Liberal MP Teresa Gambaro says.   
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/

Common sense. Therefore she'll be howled down.

Soren wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 12:42pm:

'Learn English', Gambaro tells migrants MIGRANTS should learn English soon after arriving in Australia to avoid racism, federal Liberal MP Teresa Gambaro says.    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/ Common sense. Therefore she'll be howled down.

Bob Brown rightly pointed out Australian kids should be learning Asian languages in the schools redneck.  What do you think of them apples? :)

corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 12:42pm: 'Learn English', Gambaro tells migrants MIGRANTS should learn English soon after arriving in Australia to avoid racism, federal Liberal MP Teresa Gambaro says.    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/ Common sense. Therefore she'll be howled down. Bob Brown rightly pointed out Australian kids should be learning Asian languages in the schools redneck.  What do you think of them apples? :)

i bet you wont be fatty

barnaby joe wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 12:52pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 12:49pm: Soren wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 12:42pm: 'Learn English', Gambaro tells migrants MIGRANTS should learn English soon after arriving in Australia to avoid racism, federal Liberal MP Teresa Gambaro says.    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/ Common sense. Therefore she'll be howled down. Bob Brown rightly pointed out Australian kids should be learning Asian languages in the schools redneck.  What do you think of them apples? :) i bet you wont be fatty

I am trying to learn the true British language - Welsh, Welsh is not as racist as English... :)

____ wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 10:26am:

"I had an Indian neurosurgeon visiting me a couple of years ago and it was really sad. The fellow was standing at the traffic lights and some guy drove past and spat on him and told him to go home. "I found it a little bit glib that politicians were reassuring the Indian government that anti-Indian sentiment didn't exist in Australia, but unfortunately I think it does. "It's very difficult for people who aren't of Asian appearance to say that there's no anti-Asian sentiment... You've got to really be in their shoes to make statements like that." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-19/australia-still-racist2c-says-surgeon-charlie-teo/3782286

Anti-Asian, anti-Indian, anti-Chinese sentiments are not necessarily racist. It s perfectly possible to dislike certain types of behaviour that is displayed by the vast majority of an identifiable group.

Just look the blanket anti-Americanism or anti-British sentiment here and in the wider society. American tourists have been spat on and abused.

All rednecks are racists. :D

Eventually I hope to make the transition into a Welsh speaker then refuse to speak to racist redneck centrelink or the Government without an interpreter. 8-)

LMAO

It seems the object of whiney's hatred has subtly shifted from "nazis" yesterday to "racist rednecks" today.  Who knows what tomorrow will bring?

corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 1:05pm:

Eventually I hope to make the transition into a Welsh speaker then refuse to speak to racist redneck centrelink or the Government without an interpreter. 8-)

That's a slimming plan jenny craig would be proud of: you would have to wait so long for a welsh interpreter that you would lose a lot of weight. Half a dozen visits to Centrelink and waiting for the interpreter - and you could be so slim they'd kick you off the disability pension and force you into a government job.

Swagman wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 12:14pm:

Not because I'm racist......I'm not....I hate everyone equally.....especially Queenslanders during the State of Origin >:(.....and Pommies during the Ashes >:(.....

During the series a couple of years ago, I asked the taxi driver to stop off at a shopping centre on the way to the airport so I could buy a new Maroons jumper.  When I got back he told me about a lively bunch of Blues supporters he picked up from the airport the previous night in his maxi cab. They asked him to take them to a good pub.  He suggested the Sportsman since they were into sport.
"The Sportman? - yeah that 'll do", they agreed.

I gave him a quizzical look, and he explained:

"The Sportsman is a gay bar"

LMAO  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  (That wasn't a racist laugh)

There is nothing acceptable about racism just because it happens everywhere. Rape happens everywhere too.

Soren wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 1:54pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 1:05pm: Eventually I hope to make the transition into a Welsh speaker then refuse to speak to racist redneck centrelink or the Government without an interpreter. 8-) That's a slimming plan jenny craig would be proud of: you would have to wait so long for a welsh interpreter that you would lose a lot of weight. Half a dozen visits to Centrelink and waiting for the interpreter - and you could be so slim they'd kick you off the disability pension and force you into a government job.

tell him to try the paleo diet.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EgXqKP0XKGM/S_W7FCo1IMI/AAAAAAAAB8o/7t_1b8LIyXA/s320/Shout+Racist.jpg

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

Just hate everyone you don't know Your not racists then, just an arsehole ;)

Don't bring muslims into the conversation please. Just leave us alone to hate everyone.

Racism is degrading Government performance. 8-)

Some trolls would be lucky to fit under the Sydney Harbour Bridge!!

According to an ABC radio poll, 87% think we are racist. I would think that if 2GB had a poll 87% would think we are not racist.

Here I have fixed it.

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Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

According to an ABC radio poll, 87% think we are racist. I would think that if 2GB had a poll 87% would think we are not racist.

I just took a quick poll around the office. 100% think you are an idiot Pansi.

blackadder wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 4:30pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 3:52pm: According to an ABC radio poll, 87% think we are racist. I would think that if 2GB had a poll 87% would think we are not racist. I just took a quick poll around the office. 100% think you are an idiot Pansi.

The Centrelink waiting area is not an office idiot.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 4:40pm:

blackadder wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 4:30pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 3:52pm: According to an ABC radio poll, 87% think we are racist. I would think that if 2GB had a poll 87% would think we are not racist. I just took a quick poll around the office. 100% think you are an idiot Pansi. The Centrelink waiting area is not an office idiot.

It is for you.

@bl'adder

So, you got that job in the office then as Chair Tester?

http://www.crackheads.org/jokes/Office2000.jpg


So, May i ask, whom do you talk to?

muso wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 10:41am:

In Indonesia and many parts of Africa you get what I'd term reverse racism. An Australian friend of mine of Indonesian origin says that when he stops at a hotel in Indonesia, he speaks English so that they give him better service.

Yes, it's the same with some Arab countries too.

So, May i ask, whom do you talk to?


None of your business. Unlike some others here my private life is off limits.

BTW that must be your throne vegetable as you are the one that is full of it.

More??
Less??

I don't know, but I'd like to think that we are less racist.

Then again how do we quantify it?

Is it by the amount of reportage some comments get in the media?

Has someone done a survey around the Globe and tallied up the number of racist remarks in each country then divided them by the total population of that country to reach a Mean Value per country??

How can we tell??

;)

salad in wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 2:46pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 10:40am: Just hate everyone you don't know Your not racists then, just an arsehole ;) Don't bring muslims into the conversation please. Just leave us alone to hate everyone.

I'm not racist, I hate everyone equally.

Fear of the unknown is in every country, small minded people will always hate that which is different. Aussies are no different, The multitudes in the burbs fear change. It is not that which really concerns me it is the nationalism that is getting hotter and hotter over the past 15 years. Australia day is coming, a time when you could get together with family and mates, watch the cricket and know how good it is to be an Aussie. Now we do this dopey wrapping ourselves in the flag and acting like complete morons running around embarrassing ourselves. Sad really that our self esteem has dropped so low.

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I'm not racist, I hate everyone equally.

dont you hate when idiots say this trying to sound clever and witty

hur hur im not racist, being racist would be despicable

loving one race and hating all others is evidently much worse than hating ALL PEOPLE

yeah

ok

... wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 2:31pm:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EgXqKP0XKGM/S_W7FCo1IMI/AAAAAAAAB8o/7t_1b8LIyXA/s320/Shout+Racist.jpg

Yes and all Racists believe they aren't Racist, they hate all those foreigners because they DESERVE to be hated, so that makes it OK, in their book.

dats racist

I'm not racist, I hate everyone equally.
Many years ago, National Lampoon did a Bigots guide to hating everyone equally, and went through every nationality you could think of, and I must guiltily admit it was absolutely hilarious.

The world is way too PC for this sort of humour any more, sadly.

I remember for Aussies, it said something like, "Loud-mouth, violent, drunks, do not stand too close or they may vomit on you."

A lot of the characterisations were far, far worse, and far, far funnier, and a couple of the most offensive I still remember almost by heart, but cannot repeat them in polite company, they were the ones for Africans, and Mexicans.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 8:04pm:

... wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 2:31pm: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EgXqKP0XKGM/S_W7FCo1IMI/AAAAAAAAB8o/7t_1b8LIyXA/s320/Shout+Racist.jpg Yes and all Racists believe they aren't Racist, they hate all those foreigners because they DESERVE to be hated, so that makes it OK, in their book.

Well those nasty wacists have got one up on you, because most wouldn't ever say anything silly like ALL blacks are crooks.  It's Ok to stereotype, so long as your stereotyping an approved target. 

... wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 8:26pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 8:04pm: ... wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 2:31pm: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EgXqKP0XKGM/S_W7FCo1IMI/AAAAAAAAB8o/7t_1b8LIyXA/s320/Shout+Racist.jpg Yes and all Racists believe they aren't Racist, they hate all those foreigners because they DESERVE to be hated, so that makes it OK, in their book. Well those nasty wacists have got one up on you, because most wouldn't ever say anything silly like ALL blacks are crooks.  It's Ok to stereotype, so long as your stereotyping an approved target.

lol, Being Racist is of itself a definition of behaviour, so no stereotyping is necessary.

Sri Lanka is providing us with plenty of asylum shoppers.


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Institutional racism in Sri Lanka There are four main ethnic groups on the island of Sri Lanka: the Sinhalese who made up 69% of the population in 1946, Indian Tamils (12%), Sri Lankan Tamils (11%) and Sri Lankan Moors (6%).[9] The discrimination against the Sri Lankan Tamil minority by the Sinhalese controlled Sri Lankan state was one of the main causes of the 26 year Sri Lankan Civil War which killed between 80,000 and 100,000 people. Immediately after independence the Sinhalese dominated government of Ceylon introduced the Ceylon Citizenship Act of 1948 which deliberately discriminated against the Indian Tamil ethnic minority by making it virtually impossible for them to obtain citizenship of Ceylon. Approximately 700,000 Indian Tamils were made stateless. Over the next three decades more than 300,000 Indian Tamils were deported back to India. It wasn't until 2003, 55 years after independence, that all Indian Tamils living in Sri Lanka were granted citizenship but by this time they only made up 5% of the island's population. [...] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

India provides Australia with plenty of migrants.


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'India Is Racist, And Happy About It' A Black American's first-hand experience of footpath India: no one even wants to change. In spite of friendship and love in private spaces, the Delhi public literally stops and stares. It is harrowing to constantly have children and adults tease, taunt, pick, poke and peer at you from the corner of their eyes, denying their own humanity as well as mine. Their aggressive, crude curiosity threatens to dominate unless disarmed by kindness, or met with equal aggression. [...] http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?250317

Iran also supplies us with asylum shoppers.


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Iran's anti-Arab racism Iran treats its Arab minority as second-class citizens. Now it is planning to hang six of them after rigged trials held in secret. President Bush justifies his imposition of sanctions against Iran on the grounds that Tehran supports the insurgency in Iraq and is seeking nuclear weapons. Not a word from Washington about the way the Iranian regime is abusing the human rights of its own people. Bush doesn't care about their fate. In this sense, he mirrors the Iranian state. [...] http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/oct/26/iransantiarabracism

With the influx of alleged refugees and asylum shoppers plus those arriving by plane it would appear we are importing racists. Yes we are racists and yes we are importing racists.

With the influx of alleged refugees and asylum shoppers plus those arriving by plane it would appear we are importing racists. Yes we are racists and yes we are importing racist


do you know anyone who isnt a racist??

I have sort of lost track of what the word means now.

Well Cods, you do leave it wide open.

Suffice it to say:

  Racist Australia - definitely yes.

  Do I know anyone who is NOT racist??  VERY GOOD question. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

  - My answer??  ...   :-/
I don't believe I do actually.

Myself, ..? I find a real dislike for female genital mutilation, and find it hard to condone such behaviour,, so I look askance at those folk from those cultures.  I feel a real enmity , an antipathy.,.. an abhorrence .....for such people.
So perhaps my racism is based on something other than fear.!!
OR... perhaps my enmity  IS based on a primal fear. 

It is probably an 'old brain'  warning system, to beware those who are different....  BUT..

There is obviously more to it than simple physical differences, appearance, colour etc..One would think in 2012 we humans might have learned something ...one would be wrong.!!!

  It seems to come down to the willingness of the Host country ...to accept same without rancour.. and the willingness of the displaced ..to make a new home.
 
Seemingly an impossible ask..!  IMO.
WHY is that?

Sadly, FEAR rules all our lives.
More powerful a motivator than any other I can think of.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

According to an ABC radio poll, 87% think we are racist. I would think that if 2GB had a poll 87% would think we are not racist.

And the 2GB poll would be closer to truth than the ABC one, in that case...

Emma wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 12:48am:

Well Cods, you do leave it wide open. Suffice it to say:   Racist Australia - definitely yes.   Do I know anyone who is NOT racist??  VERY GOOD question. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]   - My answer??  ...   :-/ I don't believe I do actually. Myself, ..? I find a real dislike for female genital mutilation, and find it hard to condone such behaviour,, so I look askance at those folk from those cultures.  I feel a real enmity , an antipathy.,.. an abhorrence .....for such people. So perhaps my racism is based on something other than fear.!! OR... perhaps my enmity  IS based on a primal fear.  It is probably an 'old brain'  warning system, to beware those who are different....  BUT.. There is obviously more to it than simple physical differences, appearance, colour etc..One would think in 2012 we humans might have learned something ...one would be wrong.!!!   It seems to come down to the willingness of the Host country ...to accept same without rancour.. and the willingness of the displaced ..to make a new home.   Seemingly an impossible ask..!  IMO. WHY is that? Sadly, FEAR rules all our lives. More powerful a motivator than any other I can think of.

All of which indicates that you don't actually know any racists...because you don't understand the term well enough to tell a racist if you tripped over one...

True>??
Aren't I the lucky one?

But not so - all of us have seen or been involved in racism.  Perhaps your definition of racism differs from mine.??

Please enlighten me.!! 8-)

i know lots of racists

they pretty nice people tbh

barnaby joe wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 2:18am:

i know lots of racists they pretty nice people tbh

I agree. Some of my best friends are racists.

Emma wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 1:54am:

True>?? Aren't I the lucky one? But not so - all of us have seen or been involved in racism.  Perhaps your definition of racism differs from mine.?? Please enlighten me.!! 8-)

the question should be what makes a racist a racist????

do we put down land mines to blow unsuspecting people up??..even if they are to so called enemy.. pretty low..

do we jump in boats and go to other countries and expect them to take on our problems..like feeding our kids.

do we stop people worshiping at the alter of their choice?

can anyone explain to me why it is okay for a muslim to be denied the right to marry out of their faith.. yet a catholic must suck it up..

do we look down on other races??? do other races look down on us.??? of course they do.


but I can honestly say I have no hate in my heart for anyone of a different race..thats not to say i like everything either..

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There’s no escaping racism in India I just read a Bangalore newspaper headline announcing that the government would take stern action against pubs that discriminate against African nationals. Good for the Chief Minister who said this in no uncertain terms. Racism, prejudice and xenophobia are rampant in India. It’s a strange mixture of prejudice, ignorance and centuries-old discriminatory practices, when communities kept to themselves and there were dining taboos based on caste. You couldn’t eat with people not of your caste or marry into their communities. [...] http://www.newint.org/blog/majority/2011/06/03/racism-xenophobia-india-migrants/

A lot of our migrants come from India. We also export a number of jobs to India. By these two acts are we tacitly approving India's racism?

Some of our alleged refugees and asylum shoppers started life in Sudan.


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Racism in Sudan The name Sudan comes from “bilad al sudan”: Arabic for “the land of the blacks.” So you might expect Sudanese to be comfortable with the color of their skin. But they’re not. “They are equating black with dullness, so a black person is stupid, automatically a slave,” says southerner Agnes Silver Nyarsuk. She explains that Southern Sudanese consider themselves black, while northerners see themselves as Arabs — and treat blacks as second class. “For transport, an Arab lady when she enters, the men will stand up and give the place, for an Arab lady, because she’s a woman,” Nyarsuk says. “But a black lady, even if she is old, and she’s shivering, dying, they will not respect because you are automatically a slave.” [...] http://www.theworld.org/2011/02/racism-in-sudan/

We will never rid ourselves of the racist tag if we continue to make Australia a destination for racists.

Parenthetically, racism in many parts of the world predates European history in Australia (1788) by thousands of years.

Emma wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 1:54am:

True>?? Aren't I the lucky one? But not so - all of us have seen or been involved in racism.  Perhaps your definition of racism differs from mine.?? Please enlighten me.!! 8-)

Ok, you state that you're 'a bit racist' because you object to a cultural practice...i.e genital mutilation...

Dislike or even hatred of a culture or practice by a certain group within a racial group is not, by any means, racist....

Even dislike/hatred based on religion is not racism..(despite the 'current' ruling by the UN and various governments)....At worst it's bigotry, at best it's bias...

Racism is a belief that one group, based on skin colour, is better or worse than another, disliking a certain practice that is carried out by people of several races within one particular geographic area, but that is not carried out by the same races outside of that area is not, and cannot be racist.....

Racism is a term that is thrown around so much, and so incorrectly these days that is rapidly losing all meaning..

HERALD Sun readers have overwhelmingly endorsed the claim by one of Australia's most respected neurosurgeons that racism still plagues the nation.

Dr Charles Teo, the son of Chinese immigrants, who prolonged the life of Jane McGrath and has saved the lives of hundreds of Australians, said it was wrong to deny there was racism in Australia.

At a launch of Australia Day Council celebrations yesterday, Dr Teo said that racism was still "very much alive in Australia".

"I don't quite like it when I hear politicians reassuring the Indians that there's no racism in Australia. That's bull-----," he said.

A Herald Sun poll on the issue has drawn an emphatic response from readers, with more that 83 per cent of 8257 respondents thus far agreeing that racism is still prevalent.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/racism-very-much-alive-in-australia-says-dr-charles-teo/story-e6freooo-1226247766763




Former premier Jeff Kennett, former Australian Medical Association president Dr Mukesh Haikerwal, singer Kamahl and ex-police commissioner Christine Nixon have all said that racism exists.

But Premier Ted Baillieu said he did not think Australia was a racist country.

Racism does exist but there are different levels of it depending on where you go in the country.
I reckon all countries around the world are pretty much the same but because we have a successful multicultural society we can talk about it honestly and our worst racist elements are quickly howled down when they rear their ugly heads.
Being a part of a multicultural family I can pick a racist at 100 yards these days...they stand out like dogs testies.

adelcrow wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

Racism does exist but there are different levels of it depending on where you go in the country. I reckon all countries around the world are pretty much the same but because we have a successful multicultural society we can talk about it honestly and our worst racist elements are quickly howled down when they rear their ugly heads. Being a part of a multicultural family I can pick a racist at 100 yards these days...they stand out like dogs testies.

PMSL.
The exact opposite is true.

... wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 11:26am:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 11:12am: Racism does exist but there are different levels of it depending on where you go in the country. I reckon all countries around the world are pretty much the same but because we have a successful multicultural society we can talk about it honestly and our worst racist elements are quickly howled down when they rear their ugly heads. Being a part of a multicultural family I can pick a racist at 100 yards these days...they stand out like dogs testies. PMSL. The exact opposite is true.

The subject of racism is not taboo in this country like it is in countries like Japan and China to name just a few.
I have no problem discussing multiculturalism or racism with anyone and I find that to be true of most of the people I know.

adelcrow wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 11:32am:

... wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 11:26am: adelcrow wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 11:12am: Racism does exist but there are different levels of it depending on where you go in the country. I reckon all countries around the world are pretty much the same but because we have a successful multicultural society we can talk about it honestly and our worst racist elements are quickly howled down when they rear their ugly heads. Being a part of a multicultural family I can pick a racist at 100 yards these days...they stand out like dogs testies. PMSL. The exact opposite is true. The subject of racism is not taboo in this country like it is in countries like Japan and China to name just a few. I have no problem discussing multiculturalism or racism with anyone and I find that to be true of most of the people I know.

Oh sure you can talk about racism all you like, provided you condemn it at every opportunity.
But openly discussing race has been strictly verboten for a long time.

... wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 11:34am:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 11:32am: ... wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 11:26am: adelcrow wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 11:12am: Racism does exist but there are different levels of it depending on where you go in the country. I reckon all countries around the world are pretty much the same but because we have a successful multicultural society we can talk about it honestly and our worst racist elements are quickly howled down when they rear their ugly heads. Being a part of a multicultural family I can pick a racist at 100 yards these days...they stand out like dogs testies. PMSL. The exact opposite is true. The subject of racism is not taboo in this country like it is in countries like Japan and China to name just a few. I have no problem discussing multiculturalism or racism with anyone and I find that to be true of most of the people I know. Oh sure you can talk about racism all you like, provided you condemn it at every opportunity. But openly discussing race has been strictly verboten for a long time.

I discuss it from my point of view and others from theirs..thats openly discussing it.
I dont have to like others views and they dont have to like mine but Im still happy to discuss it.

adelcrow wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 11:43am:

... wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 11:34am: adelcrow wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 11:32am: ... wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 11:26am: adelcrow wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 11:12am: Racism does exist but there are different levels of it depending on where you go in the country. I reckon all countries around the world are pretty much the same but because we have a successful multicultural society we can talk about it honestly and our worst racist elements are quickly howled down when they rear their ugly heads. Being a part of a multicultural family I can pick a racist at 100 yards these days...they stand out like dogs testies. PMSL. The exact opposite is true. The subject of racism is not taboo in this country like it is in countries like Japan and China to name just a few. I have no problem discussing multiculturalism or racism with anyone and I find that to be true of most of the people I know. Oh sure you can talk about racism all you like, provided you condemn it at every opportunity. But openly discussing race has been strictly verboten for a long time. I discuss it from my point of view and others from theirs..thats openly discussing it. I dont have to like others views and they dont have to like mine but Im still happy to discuss it.

Private conversations between friends and associates are very different to what can be publicly stated or discussed. 

It seems to be in the western media all the time these days unlike many countries or other regions around the globe.

Everyone has a bit of racism in them.  Thats just being honest.

adelcrow wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

It seems to be in the western media all the time these days unlike many countries or other regions around the globe.

yes,  but only to reinforce that no mention of race is acceptable, ever.

eg. Tiger woods former caddy hauled over hot coals for 'racist' comment - referred to him as a "black asshole".  But it wasn't the "asshole" bit that was controversial - everyone was saying that a year or so ago when he got caught with all those women - it was that he said "black". 

Some clowns put boot polish on their faces to do a skit on hey hey it's saturday.  Cries of "RACISM" echoed for weeks.  What the?  How the? 

Free and open?  Pttooooey! 

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 4:03am:

barnaby joe wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 2:18am: i know lots of racists they pretty nice people tbh I agree. Some of my best friends are racists.

lmao

Gizmo wrote,Racism is a belief that one group, based on skin colour, is better or worse than another

Now that is the same type of narrow, and anachronistic definition of racism, which is employed by many racists, to declare their bigotry is not racist at all.

I remember going over this issue a lot with Beowulf, in the past, where I provided links to definitions where the term race is now considered to include both National, and Cultural groupings, and even to some extent, Religious groupings, where the religion also has a strong cultural association attached to it.

It seems patently absurd to me to hear someone denigrate someone from a different Nationality, but then go on to claim, that because that person is not from an 18th century "Negroid, Caucasoid, Mongoloid" narrow racial criteria, separate from himself, then he can claim his bigoted remarks are not racially based, when they so obviously are.

Racism should not be condoned, or encouraged, wherever it occurs, but nor should we get so precious about it that any minor infraction sees a full blown witch hunt ensue.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 12:17pm:

Gizmo wrote,Racism is a belief that one group, based on skin colour, is better or worse than another Now that is the same type of narrow, and anachronistic definition of racism, which is employed by many racists, to declare their bigotry is not racist at all. I remember going over this issue a lot with Beowulf, in the past, where I provided links to definitions where the term race is now considered to include both National, and Cultural groupings, and even to some extent, Religious groupings, where the religion also has a strong cultural association attached to it. It seems patently absurd to me to hear someone denigrate someone from a different Nationality, but then go on to claim, that because that person is not from an 18th century "Negroid, Caucasoid, Mongoloid" narrow racial criteria, separate from himself, then he can claim his bigoted remarks are not racially based, when they so obviously are. Racism should not be condoned, or encouraged, wherever it occurs, but nor should we get so precious about it that any minor infraction sees a full blown witch hunt ensue.

Well that is the point though mozz....if the bias or hatred is based on something other than race, then it's not racism, it's bigotry...
For example, how could I be 'racist' if I hate left handed people???

(of course I AM left handed, so I don't...)

I was watching Griff Rhys Jones' Greatest Cities last night and he was in Hong Kong.

There was a short segment that, having posted on here earlier, really made me think.

Griff was seated on a tram with a young Chinese lass who was born in HK.
At 2 years of age she and her family moved to Canada, where she stayed for the next X years. I missed just how long she was in Canada, but think it was some 20+ years.

During her years in Canada she was 'that Chinese girl'.

On returning to Hong Kong she was referred to as a 'Banana".
Yellow on the outside, white on the inside.

Poor kid couldn't win.

:)

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Mozzaok wrote I remember going over this issue a lot with Beowulf, in the past

Where is Beowulf these days.
Maybe here using another nic?

You don't even need to 'hate' to be considered a racist, just to notice a difference. (though differences considered favourable to non-whites are OK)

Think of your race like a football team - you obviously like your team the best, but that doesn't mean you hate every other team, or want them exterminated.  I might heap poo on other teams and their supporters about some characteristic (collingwood supporters anyone?) but they'll always have something to say about my team in return.

Stop being such pansies about it.

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Now that is the same type of narrow, and anachronistic definition of racism

Anarchonistic? The only definitions of the word racism in every major and reputable dictionary revolve around geographically delimited continental breeding populations:

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1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races  determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. 2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. 3. hatred or intolerance of another race  or other races.

One myth about racists is that they all hate other races. While this is certainly true for many racists, especially low-class racists, it isn't a necessary component of racism. Racism for many means the acknowledgment of racial differences and believing this that there is a hierarchy of racial quality.

The word 'racism' has come to mean a lot of things now in popular discourse because retards who possess an  imprecise grasp of the English language conflate distinct,  but often highly interrelated concepts together, such as 'religion', 'culture' and 'nationality'. Don't give in to these retards.

... wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 12:39pm:

You don't even need to 'hate' to be considered a racist, just to notice a difference. (though differences considered favourable to non-whites are OK) Think of your race like a football team - you obviously like your team the best, but that doesn't mean you hate every other team, or want them exterminated.  I might heap poo on other teams and their supporters about some characteristic (collingwood supporters anyone?) but they'll always have something to say about my team in return. Stop being such pansies about it.

Fair enough, but our 'race/team' are all the same colour.
When a member of another race/team comes into our territory we welcome him with open arms because suddenly he becomes our colour.

As an example...

1994
Tony Lockett (red, white and black) breaks Peter Caven's (red and white) jaw.
All the Red and Whites want Lockett banned for life, never to be allowed into Red and White land....EVER!!

1995
Lockett puts off the red, white and black and becomes a full-fledged Red and White.
Goes on to become a Swans Legend.

So what are we looking at here?
The colour on a mans back, or the colour on a mans back??

BTW..
Totally agree with any derogatory comments regarding that Magpie mob and their supporters.
MY son included!!!

;)

... wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 11:58am: It seems to be in the western media all the time these days unlike many countries or other regions around the globe. yes,  but only to reinforce that no mention of race is acceptable, ever. eg. Tiger woods former caddy hauled over hot coals for 'racist' comment - referred to him as a "black asshole".  But it wasn't the "asshole" bit that was controversial - everyone was saying that a year or so ago when he got caught with all those women - it was that he said "black".  Some clowns put boot polish on their faces to do a skit on hey hey it's saturday.  Cries of "RACISM" echoed for weeks.  What the?  How the?  Free and open?  Pttooooey!

I have no problems with him calling Tiger a black asshole after all..it describes him perfectly and as for the skit on hey hey its saturday I didnt see anything racist in that. In fact it was the only funny thing to happen on the whole show and if Harry Connick Jr hadnt said anything no one would have noticed.
I think there was some footage of Harry doing a skit in blackface earlier doing the rounds as well.

... wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 11:34am:

Oh sure you can talk about racism all you like, provided you condemn it at every opportunity. But openly discussing race has been strictly verboten for a long time.

I know, Honkey. The self righteous PC brigade just can't handle the truth. We're censored from saying the inferior races should be kept out of government positions, denied citizenship, exiled or sterilized where necessary, and even rounded into ghettos for their own safety.

All good ideas, but oh no, you're not allowed to say it.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 2:06pm:

... wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 11:34am: Oh sure you can talk about racism all you like, provided you condemn it at every opportunity. But openly discussing race has been strictly verboten for a long time. I know, Honkey. The self righteous PC brigade just can't handle the truth. We're censored from saying the inferior races should be kept out of government positions, denied citizenship, exiled or sterilized where necessary, and even rounded into ghettos for their own safety. All good ideas, but oh no, you're not allowed to say it.

;D  BUT I AM AND I WILL   F/K  THE PC MOB     ;D ;D

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 2:06pm:

... wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 11:34am: Oh sure you can talk about racism all you like, provided you condemn it at every opportunity. But openly discussing race has been strictly verboten for a long time. I know, Honkey. The self righteous PC brigade just can't handle the truth. We're censored from saying the inferior races should be kept out of government positions, denied citizenship, exiled or sterilized where necessary, and even rounded into ghettos for their own safety. All good ideas, but oh no, you're not allowed to say it.

yet more of the same old pointless drivel....

FRED. wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 2:10pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 2:06pm: ... wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 11:34am: Oh sure you can talk about racism all you like, provided you condemn it at every opportunity. But openly discussing race has been strictly verboten for a long time. I know, Honkey. The self righteous PC brigade just can't handle the truth. We're censored from saying the inferior races should be kept out of government positions, denied citizenship, exiled or sterilized where necessary, and even rounded into ghettos for their own safety. All good ideas, but oh no, you're not allowed to say it. ;D  BUT I AM AND I WILL   F/K  THE PC MOB     ;D ;D

You see? It doesn't take much, does it?

Civilization is a very thin veneer.

Honky, given the white race is our proud football team competing against the inferior races, shouldn't we have a bit more team spirit?

It's funny how it's always blacks and asians that are the victims of racism. People don't seem to understand that racism is a two (well, three) way street. White people can be victims of racism just as much as blacks and asians.

Just to let you all know, Muslims can NEVER be victims of racism. It is not possible.

matty wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 2:26pm:

It's funny how it's always blacks and asians that are the victims of racism. People don't seem to understand that racism is a two (well, three) way street. White people can be victims of racism just as much as blacks and asians. Just to let you all know, Muslims can NEVER be victims of racism. It is not possible.

Because Islam is a religion, not a race...

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 12:33pm:

Quote: Mozzaok wrote I remember going over this issue a lot with Beowulf, in the past Where is Beowulf these days. Maybe here using another nic?

I don't know, Beo was one of those righties who had a few wacky ideas, but was basically a pretty good bloke, and while we have a few members here who that description would fit, I have not seen any I thought were Beo.
He was a pretty passionate pauline supporter, but not so fanatical that he could not also see some of her shortcomings.
Sadly I think he is not here, he used to make me think, and that is never bad.

beowulf = grendel?

barnaby joe wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 2:57pm:

beowulf = grendel?

Yes Grendel was Beowulf, but I haven't seen him post here for a long time.

I remember when the old days when the black fella was called a black fella, and the white fella was called that.

Darkie was a name given with affection.  The Indian cricker on our team was affectionatley known as Butters (after butter chicken of course) and the red headed guy was always Bluey.  The older guy with the greying hair was silver and the tubby guy was, well, Tubby.

Suddenly people because so precious.

When did it stop being about how it was said, now it just cant be said at all.

Verge wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 12:03pm:

Everyone has a bit of racism in them.  Thats just being honest.

I'm not, are you calling me a liar?

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barnaby joe wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 3:26pm:

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What a geezer  ;D

1. I'm not racist. I just support the white race football team.

2. Well, yes, I am racist, but what's wrong with that? We're all racists.

3. Racists have become the victims. It's an active witch-hunt. It's the PC brigade as usual, raining on everybody's parade.

4. Don't you hate the "I hate everyone equally" line? Racists should stand up and be counted. We need to stick together.

5. They had it right in the old days. You used to be able to call them boongs and kaffers. What's wrong with that? It's just a bit of harmless fun and putting them in their place.

Grey wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 3:24pm:

Verge wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 12:03pm: Everyone has a bit of racism in them.  Thats just being honest. I'm not, are you calling me a liar?

Im not calling you a liar, dillussional maybe.  Everyone has that one race of people they just dont like.

Its funny, for example I quite like the Chinese, I have worked for them in kitchens and like their humour and have no troubles understanding them.  My brother on the other hand hates them with a passion, and thinks they are dirty, pushy and arrogant.

I guess we are all shaped by our experiences.

Verge wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 3:21pm:

I remember when the old days when the black fella was called a black fella, and the white fella was called that. Darkie was a name given with affection.  The Indian cricker on our team was affectionatley known as Butters (after butter chicken of course) and the red headed guy was always Bluey.  The older guy with the greying hair was silver and the tubby guy was, well, Tubby. Suddenly people because so precious. When did it stop being about how it was said, now it just cant be said at all.

Ahhh those were the days.  Well, having spent my entire adult life under the jackboot of political corrrectness, I can only assume they were the days. But it's not so much a matter of going back to the good ol' days, as moving forward, beyond this ridiculous system of "benevolent" tyranny and onto a system where honesty is a virtue and not a liability, and weaknesses are liabilities and not virtues.

Verge wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 3:49pm:

Grey wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 3:24pm: Verge wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 12:03pm: Everyone has a bit of racism in them.  Thats just being honest. I'm not, are you calling me a liar? Im not calling you a liar, dillussional maybe.  Everyone has that one race of people they just dont like. Its funny, for example I quite like the Chinese, I have worked for them in kitchens and like their humour and have no troubles understanding them.  My brother on the other hand hates them with a passion, and thinks they are dirty, pushy and arrogant. I guess we are all shaped by our experiences.

Yes, it makes perfect sense that when bitten by a dog you hate all dogs, or when caned by a nun you hate all nuns, or when medicated and thrown into Concorde Hospital for stating the truth by some brainwashed, government-puppet psychiatrist you hate all psychiatrists.

... wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 4:16pm:

Verge wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 3:21pm: I remember when the old days when the black fella was called a black fella, and the white fella was called that. Darkie was a name given with affection.  The Indian cricker on our team was affectionatley known as Butters (after butter chicken of course) and the red headed guy was always Bluey.  The older guy with the greying hair was silver and the tubby guy was, well, Tubby. Suddenly people because so precious. When did it stop being about how it was said, now it just cant be said at all. Ahhh those were the days.  Well, having spent my entire adult life under the jackboot of political corrrectness, I can only assume they were the days. But it's so much a matter of going back to the good ol' days, as moving forward, beyond this ridiculous system of "benevolent" tyranny and onto a system where honesty is a virtue and not a liability, and weakness is a liability and not a virtue.

And hatred is rewarded rather than victimised.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 4:22pm:

... wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 4:16pm: Verge wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 3:21pm: I remember when the old days when the black fella was called a black fella, and the white fella was called that. Darkie was a name given with affection.  The Indian cricker on our team was affectionatley known as Butters (after butter chicken of course) and the red headed guy was always Bluey.  The older guy with the greying hair was silver and the tubby guy was, well, Tubby. Suddenly people because so precious. When did it stop being about how it was said, now it just cant be said at all. Ahhh those were the days.  Well, having spent my entire adult life under the jackboot of political corrrectness, I can only assume they were the days. But it's so much a matter of going back to the good ol' days, as moving forward, beyond this ridiculous system of "benevolent" tyranny and onto a system where honesty is a virtue and not a liability, and weakness is a liability and not a virtue. And hatred is rewarded rather than victimised.

You cant make everyone love each other, its just the way it is, its human nature.  Come to think of it, its nature.

I dont see why we should be scared to say "look, I just dont like XX" without feeling like we are gonna be howled down.

Verge wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 3:49pm:

Grey wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 3:24pm: Verge wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 12:03pm: Everyone has a bit of racism in them.  Thats just being honest. I'm not, are you calling me a liar? Im not calling you a liar, dillussional maybe.  Everyone has that one race of people they just dont like. Its funny, for example I quite like the Chinese, I have worked for them in kitchens and like their humour and have no troubles understanding them.  My brother on the other hand hates them with a passion, and thinks they are dirty, pushy and arrogant. I guess we are all shaped by our experiences.

To have met some Chinese people who were humorous, or to have met some that were dirty pushy and arrogant; and then to assume that those people were representative of all Chinese, isn't 'being shaped by experience' it's stupidity.

Now you can generalise about a culture, fairly. You can say, 'there's a lot of racism in Japanese culture' and that might be true, though I suspect it's less true than it was. But to assume that a Japanese individual you just met is a racist... that's racism.

Racism exists because a lot of people are easily led. Leaders who say, "the big noses come here and they take your jobs. Vote for me and I'll keep you safe from the big noses." Are just using the oldest con in the power game. The only people who ever benefit from racism are those leaders, for a while. Nowhere, at any time, have racist attitudes benefitted anybody. Racism is base stoopid.

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Nowhere, at any time, have racist attitudes benefitted anybody. Racism is base stoopid.

No, extrapolating your present personal attitude into universal absolutes is base stoopid. 

Do affirmative action programs ie "reverse discrimination" (hate that term) benefit anybody? 

Would a peaceful tribe survive if they didn't regard their warlike neighbouring tribe with suspicion?

Verge wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 4:26pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 4:22pm: ... wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 4:16pm: Verge wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 3:21pm: I remember when the old days when the black fella was called a black fella, and the white fella was called that. Darkie was a name given with affection.  The Indian cricker on our team was affectionatley known as Butters (after butter chicken of course) and the red headed guy was always Bluey.  The older guy with the greying hair was silver and the tubby guy was, well, Tubby. Suddenly people because so precious. When did it stop being about how it was said, now it just cant be said at all. Ahhh those were the days.  Well, having spent my entire adult life under the jackboot of political corrrectness, I can only assume they were the days. But it's so much a matter of going back to the good ol' days, as moving forward, beyond this ridiculous system of "benevolent" tyranny and onto a system where honesty is a virtue and not a liability, and weakness is a liability and not a virtue. And hatred is rewarded rather than victimised. You cant make everyone love each other, its just the way it is, its human nature.  Come to think of it, its nature. I dont see why we should be scared to say "look, I just dont like XX" without feeling like we are gonna be howled down.

If you go to church and announce that you don't like Christians, what do you expect? People generally don't take too kindly to you saying you don't like them, especially when you haven't met them.

I'm an exception. You can hate me all you like.

Of course you can get people to like each other. How do you think advertising works? You repeat the same message over and over again. White Amerikans were annoyed at the blacks for rioting and sticking it to the man until Bill Cosby came along.

Grey is right. Racism is not a natural or ahistorical phenomenon. It's kindled by people with an interest in creating division. This includes the media. Stories without conflict are boring.

You're free to think whatever you like, but if you believe that excluding others based on their skin tone is a basic human right, there's nothing I can say that will change your mind. Feel free to keep the dream alive.

alan jones invented racism

... wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 4:43pm:

Quote: Nowhere, at any time, have racist attitudes benefitted anybody. Racism is base stoopid. No, extrapolating your present personal attitude into universal absolutes is base stoopid.  Do affirmative action programs ie "reverse discrimination" (hate that term) benefit anybody?  Would a peaceful tribe survive if they didn't regard their warlike neighbouring tribe with suspicion?

It's interesting that for someone who, with the exception of a few personal issues, has lived a relatively calm and peaceful life - never been to war, never had his country invaded, never lived in dire poverty, experienced real hunger, or had anything other than a materially easy life without having to work too hard for it - can live in such fear.

Warlike neighbouring tribes? You're living in the most prosperous and peaceful time in this country's history. We don't even have affirmative action programs in Australia - we've discussed this many times. What do you base your fears on?

Apart from your feeling of being victimised for overt racism, what liberties have you ever had to forego?

i thought he was like

positing hypotheticals to pick apart greys logic

barnaby joe wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 5:15pm:

i thought he was like positing hypotheticals to pick apart greys logic

I see - thanks, Imperium. Hypothetical hypotheticals.

As a hypothetical, isn't racism more likely to create angry neighbours and affirmative action programs for the superior races?

I mean, hypothetically, that is the telos of the racial hierarchy argument, isn't it? The white races should rule over others?

Please forgive my shaky attempt at logic. Believe me, I would much rather post pointless drivel.

i dunno dont ask me

Imperium, you really should think about becoming a teacher.

y

barnaby joe wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 5:15pm:

i thought he was like positing hypotheticals to pick apart greys logic

And you'd be right. 

Looks like you succeeded there, Honky. Grey has been struck speechless.

OK thats a start.  Now I just gotta figure out how to strike you speechless.

Convince me. I'm not stubborn. If you make sense, how can I possibly reject it?

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 5:47pm:

Convince me. I'm not stubborn. If you make sense, how can I possibly reject it?

Because you think I'm trying to convince you of something different to what I am.
And to be honest, I can't be buggered writing a tome to explain myself.


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"I ceased in the year 1764 to believe that one can convince one's opponents with arguments printed in books. It is not to do that, therefore, that I have taken up my pen, but merely so as to annoy them, and to bestow strength and courage on those on our own side, and to make it known to the others that they have not convinced us." - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg

No, I don't know who georg christoph lichtenberg is, but I'll still use his quote.

besides, you ever tried to convince a religious person that their holy book is crap?  Should be an easy task....but faith is stronger than reason.

That's fine. I read "can't be bothered" as you don't fully understand what you're saying. This is good. There are many things I don't know or understand or talk about myself. Bit by bit, with practice, the more I live, the more I'll know less. One day, hopefully, I'll know nothing and I can retire into silence.

However, race is one of your obsessions, along with leftists. You've often said your agenda is to put the leftists firmly in their place by exposing their ridiculous arguments.

I would love to be exposed as it would help me to know less. If you can convince me, I can retire into silence.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 6:08pm:

That's fine. I read "can't be bothered" as you don't fully understand what you're saying. This is good. There are many things I don't know or understand or talk about myself. Bit by bit, with practice, the more I live, the more I'll know less. One day, hopefully, I'll know nothing and I can retire into silence. However, race is one of your obsessions, along with leftists. You've often said your agenda is to put the leftists firmly in their place by exposing their ridiculous arguments. I would love to be exposed as it would help me to know less. If you can convince me, I can retire into silence.

You deliberately expose your own ridiculous arguments.  A post without sarcasm is as rare as hens teeth for you.  Why would I, or anyone else bother, when we know there will be 1 of 3 outcomes:

1. Be completely ignored .
2. Have our argument deliberately misrepresneted (sarcasm anyone?)
3. Be abused.

Nope, I just can't be buggered.

all good stuff folk.!!

I never felt like a racist, I am capable of empathy for just about anyone...  but like I said a particular practice, particularly draws my ire.  And there are others.  But it has nothing to do with colour of skin, or race...rather cultural practices.

  Its good to hear that some consider that as not being racist.

So am I a racist? 

NO  - I don't believe I am. We are all human. :)


 

Emma wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 7:17pm:

all good stuff folk.!! I never felt like a racist, I am capable of empathy for just about anyone...  but like I said a particular practice, particularly draws my ire.  And there are others.  But it has nothing to do with colour of skin, or race...rather cultural practices.   Its good to hear that some consider that as not being racist. So am I a racist?  NO  - I don't believe I am. We are all human. :)

Well, I can't stand it when Indians and other Asians wake me up at 4 in the morning with their hawking, spitting and throat clearing.

It doesn't make them an inferior race/species.

Any hatred for someone, based upon something they have no control over, is wrong.
The exception to the rule which proves it true is obviously Collingwood supporters, it is obviously only right to hate them. ;)

Let me give you an example of really stupid racism. It was pretty amazing to hear, but funny all the same.  This guy I met at a barbecue in Adelaide was a Vietnam veteran. He had trouble all his life because of exposure to Agent Orange, and now his son has developed cancer. Consequently, he hates all.........Chinese.

The fact that Vietnam and China have always been rivals, especially in recent times, and the fact that Agent Orange was deployed by the Americans, he hates all Chinese.

It's a good example of how bigotry stems from  basic ignorant "TAPS".

OK I'll ask, what is TAPS?
My guess would be,
Total
A-hole
Pr1ck
Syndrome

i know so many low class racists b/c i work with thme

one thing the left is right about to some extent is that there are still heaps of 'racists' around

most of these people fyi are not actually pricks but just normal people who really just want their own space, though a few are genuinely malicious

theres also tonnes of implicit racists though they arent quite the same as the people im describing that i work with

Thick
As
Pig
Sh!t
?
:)

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Thick As Pig Sh!t ? :)

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OK I'll ask, what is TAPS? My guess would be, Total A-hole Pr1ck Syndrome

Oh my!  Such hate. 

Much stronger words than a wacist might use.  :-X

The "war on racism" is a lot like the "war on greed".  It targets an arbitrary trait that is inherent to some extent in everybody, and then paint it as the absolute evil.  Their is no persepctive, there are no "degrees" of racism - any visible hint of racism is an automatic "naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews" or an automatic retarded redneck.  And this climate of fear is supposed to "stamp out" rcaism?  Supposed to enlighten us?  THIS is freedom? 


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Organizations and programs have been set up all over the globe in the hopes of urging people to end prejudice. According to a research article, which will be published in an upcoming issue of Psychological Science, a journal of the Association for Psychological Science, such programs may actually increase prejudices.

Set up an unwinnable fight against a largely imaginary enemy, and your people will be compliant and penitent.  genius.

Your analogy does you little credit Honky, for if you follow it through to any logical conclusion, it becomes self defeating, for your argument.
Racism, and Greed, natural traits you say.
If we accept that premise, we can then say that it is not the having of such traits, but what actions they inspire, will lead us to judge the people in question.
The man whose greed, inspires him to steal, and cheat, is naturally condemned for his behaviour.
The racist man who targets people for unfair treatment, because of an accident of birth, is equally condemned, by all decent people.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 4:22pm:

And hatred is rewarded rather than victimised.

If you can build an alleged religion based on hatred you are given the OK. Not only that but you can open a book store (let's say in Auburn NSW) where you can sell literature that spells out how a person should hate and that G*d smiles benignly on those who hate. G*d views them as good and faithful servants.

Let's not be slow learners on this matter of racism and hatred. Let's hide it behind a religion. We're sure to get the OK.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 8:01pm:

Your analogy does you little credit Honky, for if you follow it through to any logical conclusion, it becomes self defeating, for your argument. Racism, and Greed, natural traits you say. If we accept that premise, we can then say that it is not the having of such traits, but what actions they inspire, will lead us to judge the people in question. The man whose greed, inspires him to steal, and cheat, is naturally condemned for his behaviour. The racist man who targets people for unfair treatment, because of an accident of birth, is equally condemned, by all decent people.

Thats right.
The man who's greed exceeds acceptable limits may be driven to steal, and rightly be condemned for it.  yet the man who's greed drives him to eat a double quarter pounder instead of a single is acceptable to us.  That's the degree I'm talking about.

I judge people by their character, always have always will.  That doesn't stop me noticing that abos are more likely to rob me than a chinaman, or that the african continent is dysfunctional.  I discriminate against everyone, by a million different criteria. Race is but one, and not even a major one. The "anti-racist" assumes it is the only criteria.  Who would come to a final judgement without weighing up all the evidence? 

Why do people block out the 'o' in God?

only thing worse is when they put god in reverse spelling

Do you know what they have against the letter O?

Jews do it, I think. Is Salad a Jew?

Not all people are the same.
Not all groups of people are the same.
Different groups are different because of their different standards and norms.
Not all norms are equal.

So different groups of people can be ranked by the quality of their standards. Different standards (aka cultures) have developed largely within historically closed and distinctive group lines (aka race). Why pretend otherwise?

Within each culture, class is also important. Class is a personality thing. You can move between classes, up or down. Race and class are real and we all take them into account in every aspect of our lives. People project their standards, their cultures. The crucial thing is to allow the freedom to transcend racial and class limitation.
But for most people, their racial and class identity, no mater how inferior, is more important than anything else.

If the anti-racism rhetoric was deployed to push for merit to be allowed to transcend the race and class that one is born into, it would be a good and honourable thing because it would be on the side of individual human dignity.
But instead it is a push for group rights and for the removal of ranking, of differentiation, between cultural standards. It is a push for pretending that cultures are no qualitatively different. In this, it is stupid and a force for unfreedom.

Quote:

But instead it is a push for group rights and for the removal of ranking, of differentiation, between cultural standards.

The ranking system that means so much to you is a push for group rights.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 8:24pm:

Do you know what they have against the letter O? Jews do it, I think. Is Salad a Jew?

No Annie, Salad In is not a Jew. He is a New Age Muslim. He has taken the name of the great Saladin and he prefers to be known as Salad In.

Some people write G*d (minus the 'o') so that the name can be disposed and dispensed with so as not to offend the big fella upstairs, Halla.

Go in peace Annie.

I know exactly what you are.

... wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 7:50pm:

Quote: Thick As Pig Sh!t ? :) [quote] OK I'll ask, what is TAPS? My guess would be, Total A-hole Pr1ck Syndrome

Oh my!  Such hate. 
[/quote]

Hatred? Not from me. I'm a naturally loving kind of guy. The only thing I can't tolerate is intolerance.

I was just guessing what TAPS means using some of the possibilities from urbandictionary.

Soren wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 8:29pm:

Not all people are the same. Not all groups of people are the same. Different groups are different because of their different standards and norms. Not all norms are equal. So different groups of people can be ranked by the quality of their standards. Different standards (aka cultures) have developed largely within historically closed and distinctive group lines (aka race). Why pretend otherwise? Within each culture, class is also important. Class is a personality thing. You can move between classes, up or down. Race and class are real and we all take them into account in every aspect of our lives. People project their standards, their cultures. The crucial thing is to allow the freedom to transcend racial and class limitation. But for most people, their racial and class identity, no mater how inferior, is more important than anything else. If the anti-racism rhetoric was deployed to push for merit to be allowed to transcend the race and class that one is born into, it would be a good and honourable thing because it would be on the side of individual human dignity. But instead it is a push for group rights and for the removal of ranking, of differentiation, between cultural standards. It is a push for pretending that cultures are no qualitatively different. In this, it is stupid and a force for unfreedom.

you think??

Thats a lot to say Soren. You seem to be saying that you are anti  anti-racism because you perceive that it is seeking a society of homogenous sameness.

Wasn't that called assimilation?

Now we have 'multi-culturism', ...hated by some. .... adopted by others.
Have to say - its better than assimilation in its wider focus.

Can't see multi-culturism can be charged, as you do, with   - "It is a push for pretending that cultures are no qualitatively different. In this, it is stupid and a force for unfreedom."

some of us are obviously pretty confused. ! :)

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 8:34pm:

Quote: But instead it is a push for group rights and for the removal of ranking, of differentiation, between cultural standards. The ranking system that means so much to you is a push for group rights.

Yes Annie, spot on.
It is typical, "back of the bus" thinking.

Quote:

Nowhere, at any time, have racist attitudes benefitted anybody. Racism is base stoopid.

Quite the opposite actually Grey...

Racism is a modern name for a very old mindset....Disliking and fighting or conquering the tribe in the next valley is what survival was all about....

Protect your family, clan, tribe and nation from interlopers and expand your hunting grounds in order to secure more food and resources....All of the animal kingdom does it, it's just that us naked apes have invented a word for it...

... wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 7:50pm:

It targets an arbitrary trait that is inherent to some extent in everybody...

Racism existing in nature - as if blue hydrangas can't live next to the pinks.

Most arguments that resort to biological determinism are flawed. Ideology exists because it seems perfectly natural, and therefore stands outside of all reason. I think this is why you can't articulate your position that well, Honky.

Identifying national or cultural behaviours is not racist. Race is not nationalism or culture. To be honest, I don't really know what it is. The genetic differences between races are so small as to make them irrelevant.

You can't pick most second generation immigrants unless they're Asian or African. Given Australia has the highest rate of interracial marriage in the world, you won't pick them after four generations. Overall, Australia is an inclusive country - like Amerika, like Mother England.

And unlike many Western European countries where assimilation has not been so successful.

Australia, the US and UK are officially multicultural countries. This means they accommodate new cultures, and change accordingly. It's why New York is what it is, why any great trading city in history was what it was.

Cultural cross-pollination builds successful societies. Few inward-looking cultures survive long. Unless there's a huge population, people need to trade to survive, and trade requires social integration.

The idea that racism is natural and has always existed is wrong. Civilization has always been multicultural. I can't think of one war in history faught solely over race.

If you can, I'd love to know about it.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 9:31pm:

... wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:50pm: It targets an arbitrary trait that is inherent to some extent in everybody... Racism existing in nature - as if blue hydrangas can't live next to the pinks. Most arguments that resort to biological determinism are flawed. Ideology exists because it seems perfectly natural, and therefore stands outside of all reason. I think this is why you can't articulate your position that well, Honky. Identifying national or cultural behaviours is not racist. Race is not nationalism or culture. To be honest, I don't really know what it is. The genetic differences between races are so small as to make them irrelevant. You can't pick most second generation immigrants unless they're Asian or African. Given Australia has the highest rate of interracial marriage in the world, you won't pick them after four generations. Overall, Australia is an inclusive country - like Amerika, like Mother England. And unlike many Western European countries where assimilation has not been so successful. Australia, the US and UK are officially multicultural countries. This means they accommodate new cultures, and change accordingly. It's why New York is what it is, why any great trading city in history was what it was. Cultural cross-pollination builds successful societies. Few inward-looking cultures survive long. Unless there's a huge population, people need to trade to survive, and trade requires social integration. The idea that racism is natural and has always existed is wrong. Civilization has always been multicultural. I can't think of one war in history faught solely over race. If you can, I'd love to know about it.

You conflate normal intercultural interaction with mutliculturalism.  Trading and interaction between populations is not new or unusual, but it's not multiculturalism either.  The presence of a small minority of foreign peoples does not make a society multicultural.  On a small scale, immigration is neceesary and beneficial.  But on a large scale over time, so as to artificailly upset the demographics  of a nation, it's not gonna go down well.   

The 'succesful' multicultural societies - the UK, The US,  Australia.  In the few decades since these already highly succesful nations adopted mutliculturalism, have they become stronger or weaker?  Has the quality of life improved? the very fact that it needs to be enforced rather than integrate naturally is evidence it's extraordinary.  Goverment stats tell us weve never had it so good, but is that really so?  what do your eyes, your head and your heart tell you? 


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Racism existing in nature - as if blue hydrangas can't live next to the pinks.

Geez I wish ya hadn't of said that.  Now I have to refer back to the good ol golden rule of evolution.


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two subspecies of the same species should, except under extraordinary conditions, occur in the same area; for if they should occur together they would be expected to inetrbreed and lose their distinctness.

I happen to like having distinction around the world.  I like the idea of each people having their place.  I don't want one bland, beige breed.  I like diversity.  But like those hydrangeas, I like it next to me, not mixed in with me. 

Soren wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 8:29pm:

Not all people are the same. Not all groups of people are the same. Different groups are different because of their different standards and norms. Not all norms are equal. So different groups of people can be ranked by the quality of their standards. Different standards (aka cultures) have developed largely within historically closed and distinctive group lines (aka race). Why pretend otherwise? Within each culture, class is also important. Class is a personality thing. You can move between classes, up or down. Race and class are real and we all take them into account in every aspect of our lives. People project their standards, their cultures. The crucial thing is to allow the freedom to transcend racial and class limitation.

Very, very good points. The thing is, however, until the last century, with very few exceptions, you could not transcend class. The whole point of class is to keep people right where they are.

But if you were clever, you could transcend race. Stalin (a Georgian) became a Russian leader, Disraeli (a Jew) became a British PM, Othello (a black Muslim) became a Venetian general, and Alexander (a Macedonian) took over Greece and much of central Asia.

Races and provincial identities did, however, did serve as a form of guild system. Jews were financiers, Arabs were traders, Indians were farmers, Chinese were manufacturers of domestic goods, and most Europeans were serfs, owned by their respective lords. In this sense, race functioned in pre-modern times alongside class.

The professional differences between races and cultures made civilization work. Venetians were glass workers, Florentines were potters, Persians were rug makers, and on and on.

It was the competition for trading routes and commodities that created conflict, not race.

Same as it ever was.

... wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 9:59pm:

I happen to like having distinction around the world.  I like the idea of each people having their place.  I don't want one bland, beige breed.  I like diversity.  But like those hydrangeas, I like it next to me, not mixed in with me.

You'll find that's one reason why government policy shifted in the 1970s from assimilation to the US model of multiculturalism - as Annie above pointed out.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 10:07pm:

... wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 9:59pm: I happen to like having distinction around the world.  I like the idea of each people having their place.  I don't want one bland, beige breed.  I like diversity.  But like those hydrangeas, I like it next to me, not mixed in with me.  You'll find that's one reason why government policy shifted in the 1970s from assimilation to the US model of multiculturalism - as Annie above pointed out.

Was tht Annie ? true??

Karnal  ....    I SAID ...to Soren ...

'...you think??


Thats a lot to say Soren. You seem to be saying that you are anti  anti-racism because you perceive that it is seeking a society of homogenous sameness.

Wasn't that called assimilation?

Now we have 'multi-culturism', ...hated by some. .... adopted by others.
Have to say - its better than assimilation in its wider focus'.

"It was the competition for trading routes and commodities that created conflict, not race.

Same as it ever was." - Karnal


Being a being of fire I seek the flame of approval. :) :) :)
Same as it ever was  :)

Not to worry..... i think EGO is NOT a dirty word,.!!.... 

Yes - wasn't it the old boy's network who moaned about burqas, ethnic ghettoes, whites pretending to be Aboriginal, Muslims pretending to be white, the uppity nature of second generation immigrants (not Danes), and that debate of all debates - the toilet habits of Pakistanis?

Now they're right behind cultural diversity.

You see? We really are a multicultural society.

Soren wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 8:29pm:

Not all people are the same. Not all groups of people are the same. Different groups are different because of their different standards and norms. Not all norms are equal. So different groups of people can be ranked by the quality of their standards. Different standards (aka cultures) have developed largely within historically closed and distinctive group lines (aka race). Why pretend otherwise? Within each culture, class is also important. Class is a personality thing. You can move between classes, up or down. Race and class are real and we all take them into account in every aspect of our lives. People project their standards, their cultures. The crucial thing is to allow the freedom to transcend racial and class limitation. But for most people, their racial and class identity, no mater how inferior, is more important than anything else. If the anti-racism rhetoric was deployed to push for merit to be allowed to transcend the race and class that one is born into, it would be a good and honourable thing because it would be on the side of individual human dignity. But instead it is a push for group rights and for the removal of ranking, of differentiation, between cultural standards. It is a push for pretending that cultures are no qualitatively different. In this, it is stupid and a force for unfreedom.

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If the anti-racism rhetoric was deployed to push for merit to be allowed to transcend the race and class that one is born into, it would be a good and honourable thing because it would be on the side of individual human dignity.

That is EXACTLY what it (anti-racist rhetoric) is for, no qualification needed.
Especially one like this.

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But instead it is a push for group rights and for the removal of ranking, of differentiation, between cultural standards. It is a push for pretending that cultures are no qualitatively different. In this, it is stupid and a force for unfreedom.

The group right to not be subjected to prejudicial negative treatment, is a reasonable ideal, and that is the only group right that anti-racists seek.
As for "Ranking"?? cultural attributes, well that is a very subjective call to be making, and one fraught with potentially devastating consequences for individuals who could be unjustly stereotyped by such arrogant assumptions being made about their character, and more importantly, by whom?
Very, very, unchristian principle, "the first stone" and all that, comes to mind.

The racists will say that means if a culture practiced cannibalism at some point, their whole race must forever be demonised as cannibals, and an assumption made that they have designs on your left buttock for the sunday roast, totally irrespective of the personal moral standards, or character, of the individual targeted, as "part of" that group.

There is no push to accept that cultural practices which would transgress the rights of others be overlooked, that is another lie perpetuated by racists, to justify their own xenophobic mindset.
The push is to differentiate between the rights of individuals to fairly respect and honour aspects of their cultural heritage, without being vilified and demonised, but still confined within the bounds of them being law abiding citizens.
If they transgress against the law, then the law can deal with that, we do not need vigilantes, or lynch mobs whose definitions of what is acceptable are transgressions of the law we seek to be applied fairly, to all, irrespective of race, creed, or colour.

The result of hydrangean race traitors:

http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/p/purple_hydrangea-10317.jpg

Good heavens, that's a species, isn't it? Better keep it away from us.

That's biological, that is.

... wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 4:43pm:

Quote: Nowhere, at any time, have racist attitudes benefitted anybody. Racism is base stoopid. No, extrapolating your present personal attitude into universal absolutes is base stoopid.  I never had a different attitude and never will. Shyte stinks absolutely. [quote]Do affirmative action programs ie "reverse discrimination" (hate that term) benefit anybody?

When you do things really really badly. Like declaring negroes sub-human and enslaving them; putting things right is not easy. It's like getting beetroot juice on a white shirt. Sure you can use bleach, but it's not going to do the fabric any good. 


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Would a peaceful tribe survive if they didn't regard their warlike neighbouring tribe with suspicion?

What has achieving balances of power got to do with racism? Did I not say regarding other cultures and generalising was fair enough? Yes I did. Racism is the application of general perceptions to individuals or entire groups of people. Racial discrimination involves categorising different people into different races because they act differently.

The base is that there's one race, Homo sapiens. Because Rightwingers think and act as a group differently from Leftwingers doesn't mean there are two different races. Because Germans aquiesced with Nazi culture in the mid 20thC didn't make them a different race, even though every effort was made to foster that perception both within and without.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 5:38pm:

Looks like you succeeded there, Honky. Grey has been struck speechless.

;D Reality beckons sometimes, but not forever.

... wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 9:59pm:

I happen to like having distinction around the world.  I like the idea of each people having their place.  I don't want one bland, beige breed.  I like diversity.  But like those hydrangeas, I like it next to me, not mixed in with me.

Are you so narcistic you only ever bonked people with the same body type as yourself? I'm really curious.

This needs saying, being critical of Islam, Judaism or Christianity isn't racist. Hating all Muslims, Jews and Christians is. Criticising Indian society isn't racist, (though I don't think I could carry a brush that broad), but spitting at an Indian on a Sydney street most certainly is. The way people look doesn't affect the way they think; Ffs there are full blood aboriginal people in this country who'll vote for Abbott ;D

You're allowed to bonk them, Grey, just not take them home to meet Mother.

chuckle !... karnal,... you make me laugh....
...........variety is the spice of life ;D

:) ;) :) ;) 8-)

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 10:07pm:

... wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 9:59pm: I happen to like having distinction around the world.  I like the idea of each people having their place.  I don't want one bland, beige breed.  I like diversity.  But like those hydrangeas, I like it next to me, not mixed in with me.  You'll find that's one reason why government policy shifted in the 1970s from assimilation to the US model of multiculturalism - as Annie above pointed out.

That's it?  That's all i get?  A reference to a vague, unsupported one-liner, which bore little relevance to the statement it was in response to, much less to this cherry-picked statement?  It doesn't even make sense.

When your first resort is to lie about what you're selling, it's a pretty good sign we're not getting a good deal. 

And you wonder why I don't bother.  >:(

Grey wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 12:49am:

... wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 9:59pm: I happen to like having distinction around the world.  I like the idea of each people having their place.  I don't want one bland, beige breed.  I like diversity.  But like those hydrangeas, I like it next to me, not mixed in with me.  Are you so narcistic you only ever bonked people with the same body type as yourself? I'm really curious.

Hmmm I wonder if this is a trap....

*checks*

I'll just wander on in and see how it turns out.

No.

*waits for the trap to be sprung*

... wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 9:42am:

Grey wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 12:49am: ... wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 9:59pm: I happen to like having distinction around the world.  I like the idea of each people having their place.  I don't want one bland, beige breed.  I like diversity.  But like those hydrangeas, I like it next to me, not mixed in with me.  Are you so narcistic you only ever bonked people with the same body type as yourself? I'm really curious. Hmmm I wonder if this is a trap.... *checks* I'll just wander on in and see how it turns out. No. *waits for the trap to be sprung*

You laid it, you sprang it. If you're too dopey to see that this conversation is at an end.  ;D

Grey wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 11:55am:

... wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 9:42am: Grey wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 12:49am: ... wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 9:59pm: I happen to like having distinction around the world.  I like the idea of each people having their place.  I don't want one bland, beige breed.  I like diversity.  But like those hydrangeas, I like it next to me, not mixed in with me.  Are you so narcistic you only ever bonked people with the same body type as yourself? I'm really curious. Hmmm I wonder if this is a trap.... *checks* I'll just wander on in and see how it turns out. No. *waits for the trap to be sprung* You laid it, you sprang it. If you're too dopey to see that this conversation is at an end.  ;D

Oh no.  be my guest - Spring that trap.

Hmmm why would someone knowingly wander into a trap.......? 

Maybe they know that the trap is faulty?

... wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 12:02pm:

Grey wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 11:55am: ... wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 9:42am: Grey wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 12:49am: ... wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 9:59pm: I happen to like having distinction around the world.  I like the idea of each people having their place.  I don't want one bland, beige breed.  I like diversity.  But like those hydrangeas, I like it next to me, not mixed in with me.  Are you so narcistic you only ever bonked people with the same body type as yourself? I'm really curious. Hmmm I wonder if this is a trap.... *checks* I'll just wander on in and see how it turns out. No. *waits for the trap to be sprung* You laid it, you sprang it. If you're too dopey to see that this conversation is at an end.  ;D Oh no.  be my guest - Spring that trap. Hmmm why would someone knowingly wander into a trap.......?  Maybe they know that the trap is faulty?

A trap you can see isn't a trap is it? I'm not out to trap you. Maybe you can trip over your own flawed perceptions of humanity having different races. Maybe you think bonking people you don't like is okay. Maybe bonking African women if their skin is light enough and their nose and lips thin enough is okay. The permutations of wonky thought are endless.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

OK I'll ask, what is TAPS? My guess would be, Total A-hole Pr1ck Syndrome

Thick as Pig Sh1t  ;D It was quite an appropriate term for this guy. He was thick in more ways than one.  He made the Michelin man look anorexic, and had this delusion that emanating body gases was incredibly witty.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 8:24pm:

Do you know what they have against the letter O? Jews do it, I think. Is Salad a Jew?

It's common practice in semitic languages to omit the vowel. In this case I think it's supposed to be a polite euphemism.

I hope the racists in this thread weren't arguing against what Teo was saying - they've proven his point for him.


Muso, do you know if the G-d thing is just when writing in English?

Grey wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 12:42pm:

... wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 12:02pm: Grey wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 11:55am: ... wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 9:42am: Grey wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 12:49am: ... wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 9:59pm: I happen to like having distinction around the world.  I like the idea of each people having their place.  I don't want one bland, beige breed.  I like diversity.  But like those hydrangeas, I like it next to me, not mixed in with me.  Are you so narcistic you only ever bonked people with the same body type as yourself? I'm really curious. Hmmm I wonder if this is a trap.... *checks* I'll just wander on in and see how it turns out. No. *waits for the trap to be sprung* You laid it, you sprang it. If you're too dopey to see that this conversation is at an end.  ;D Oh no.  be my guest - Spring that trap. Hmmm why would someone knowingly wander into a trap.......?  Maybe they know that the trap is faulty? A trap you can see isn't a trap is it? I'm not out to trap you. Maybe you can trip over your own flawed perceptions of humanity having different races. Maybe you think bonking people you don't like is okay. Maybe bonking African women if their skin is light enough and their nose and lips thin enough is okay. The permutations of wonky thought are endless.

So first its a trap that Ive laid and sprung, then it's not a trap at all. Contradictions abound, and none of what you have said invalidates anyting Ive said.  We don't disagree that someone who judged solely on race is a jerk.  I don't disagree that those who cannot look past it and use it to make peoples lives unnecesarily tough are jerks.  But the person to whom race is everything, is nomore or less foolish than the person to whom it is nothing.  It exists, it means something.  Only the degree to which it matters varies from person to person.  I'm not arguing "for racism" I'm just against fanatical social engineering based on a faulty premise.  It's not 'evolved" or "enlightened" it's the same old methods of control, only with a different designated  enemy.
If i was in 1930's germany, i'd be arguing against that brand of tyranny. if I was in 1950's Russia i'd be arguing against that brand of tyranny.  But this is 2012 Australia, and YOU are the tyrants.  Or to be more accurate, the enforcers of a tyrannical othodoxy, otherwise known as useful idiots.
You could say I'm an....anarchist.  A real one, that is.   :P

I found this article, but I'd suggest that there could be other reasons. It mat be considered rude in certain parts of the US to "take the lord's name in vain"

http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/Why-Do-Some-Jews-Spell-God-G-D.htm

I really don't see what all the fuss is about. I've never known anyone take offense at the word.

... wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 1:52pm:

I'm not arguing "for racism" I'm just against fanatical social engineering based on a faulty premise.

Priceless. You couldn't make it up.

Hey Karnal....get outa me dam country go on.

This video is so true it's not funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4AchHTN-XQ


Joking Karnal, you can stay.

... wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 1:52pm:

Grey wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 12:42pm: ... wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 12:02pm: Grey wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 11:55am: ... wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 9:42am: Grey wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 12:49am: ... wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 9:59pm: I happen to like having distinction around the world.  I like the idea of each people having their place.  I don't want one bland, beige breed.  I like diversity.  But like those hydrangeas, I like it next to me, not mixed in with me.  Are you so narcistic you only ever bonked people with the same body type as yourself? I'm really curious. Hmmm I wonder if this is a trap.... *checks* I'll just wander on in and see how it turns out. No. *waits for the trap to be sprung* You laid it, you sprang it. If you're too dopey to see that this conversation is at an end.  ;D Oh no.  be my guest - Spring that trap. Hmmm why would someone knowingly wander into a trap.......?  Maybe they know that the trap is faulty? A trap you can see isn't a trap is it? I'm not out to trap you. Maybe you can trip over your own flawed perceptions of humanity having different races. Maybe you think bonking people you don't like is okay. Maybe bonking African women if their skin is light enough and their nose and lips thin enough is okay. The permutations of wonky thought are endless. So first its a trap that Ive laid and sprung, then it's not a trap at all. Contradictions abound, and none of what you have said invalidates anyting Ive said.  We don't disagree that someone who judged solely on race is a jerk.  I don't disagree that those who cannot look past it and use it to make peoples lives unnecesarily tough are jerks.I'm not arguing "for racism" I'm just against fanatical social engineering based on a faulty premise.  It's not 'evolved" or "enlightened" it's the same old methods of control, only with a different designated  enemy. If i was in 1930's germany, i'd be arguing against that brand of tyranny. if I was in 1950's Russia i'd be arguing against that brand of tyranny.  But this is 2012 Australia, and YOU are the tyrants.  Or to be more accurate, the enforcers of a tyrannical othodoxy, otherwise known as useful idiots. You could say I'm an....anarchist.  A real one, that is.   :P

We've been here before. If you don't disagree with anything I've said why waste your time arguing with it?

I argue against racism, you've never seen me argue for 'multiculturalism', because I regard that as a bureaucrats word, a government word interfering in areas where government is not needed. I'm proud to be a cosmopolitan and I've argued my case with my boots. If you're not racist don't put up smoke screens for them, fight them, like a good Anarchist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js4vtkcgESU&feature=related

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 2:04pm:

... wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 1:52pm: I'm not arguing "for racism" I'm just against fanatical social engineering based on a faulty premise.  Priceless. You couldn't make it up.

It's not like 'hooray for racism' anymore than it'd  be "hooray for laziness."   It's nice to laze about a bit on a sunday morning, but when it takes over your life and all you do is laze about, it's definitely not a good thing, and you will be the one who suffer from it. 

It's not for you to run someones life for them - if they want to discriminate agianst everyone, they will be the ones who miss out the most, but it is their mistake to make and their lesson to learn. 

Get some perspective.  It exists, but it's not the absolute evil.  It's not new or insurmountable.  No need for another inquisition, purge or holocaust.   

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I argue against racism, you've never seen me argue for 'multiculturalism', because I regard that as a bureaucrats word, a government word interfering in areas where government is not needed. I'm proud to be a cosmopolitan and I've argued my case with my boots. If you're not racist don't put up smoke screens for them, fight them, like a good Anarchist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js4vtkcgESU&feature=related[/quote]


I focus on the gravest, most immediate threat first.  I see that as the fanatical left, under the banner of cultural marxism.  Once they're back in their box, we'll go after the racists.  promise.

muso wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 1:52pm:

I found this article, but I'd suggest that there could be other reasons. It mat be considered rude in certain parts of the US to "take the lord's name in vain" http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/Why-Do-Some-Jews-Spell-God-G-D.htm I really don't see what all the fuss is about. I've never known anyone take offense at the word.

That was interesting - thanks. There's a similar thing in Islam in that you can't throw anything with Allah's name on it in the bin or whatever. Or even any Quranic verses. Everything has to be disposed of properly.

That's what I've heard anyway - I've never read any laws about it. Abu would probably know.

... wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 2:26pm:

[quote] I focus on the gravest, most immediate threat first.  I see that as the fanatical left, under the banner of cultural marxism.  Once they're back in their box, we'll go after the racists.  promise.

Poor old Perceptions! All that hard work he puts in and you still don't get that the gravest threat is the collapse of the capitalist economy. This spells that out in easy to understand cartonn format.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOP2V_np2c0&feature=relmfu

When the 'system' falls apart, and I've got my fingers crossed it'll see me out, it's going to go tribal. Right now the best armed and organised tribes are bikie gangs, no racial tolerance evident there. Other tribes will emerge as the worst kind of people see the opportunity to sieze power. 'Race' will have a lot to do with it.

'Cultural Marxists' ? Do me a favour, a small goup of elderly humanities professors in virtual 'ivory towers', who've been sidelined already by the business schools. The future is going to be rough. If that bleak scenario is to be avoided then work has to be done now to build grass roots community. See much of that going on? People need to think intelligently about the sort of society they'll want and Capitalism has ensured they don't have the time or energy to think.

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'Cultural Marxists' ? Do me a favour, a small goup of elderly humanities professors in virtual 'ivory towers', who've been sidelined already by the business schools. The future is going to be rough. If that bleak scenario is to be avoided then work has to be done now to build grass roots community. See much of that going on? People need to think intelligently about the sort of society they'll want and Capitalism has ensured they don't have the time or energy to think.

Best to avoid collapse if you can, and diversity, by ints very nature, fosters division.  the (relatively) sudden demographic shift in the decades sicne the adoption of multiculturalism fragments society, dividing it, inherently weakening it and rendering the ability to mount a coherent resistance impossible. crime is up, drugs are up, divorce is up.  community spirit and involvement are down.  Just the way of the world, or the results of ideology employed as a weapon?   

... wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 2:22pm:

Get some perspective.  It exists, but it's not the absolute evil.  It's not new or insurmountable.  No need for another inquisition, purge or holocaust.

You do know the mindset that caused the holocaust, don't you, Honky?

And you think the same is happening to racists?

However, I do agree that racists deserve our pity. They are a minority, after all - people with special needs. It's not easy being such an exclusive group. We really need to fight for their rights.

Who needs freedom of thought anyway? 

... wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 5:47pm:

Quote: 'Cultural Marxists' ? Do me a favour, a small goup of elderly humanities professors in virtual 'ivory towers', who've been sidelined already by the business schools. The future is going to be rough. If that bleak scenario is to be avoided then work has to be done now to build grass roots community. See much of that going on? People need to think intelligently about the sort of society they'll want and Capitalism has ensured they don't have the time or energy to think. Best to avoid collapse if you can, and diversity, by ints very nature, fosters division.  the (relatively) sudden demographic shift in the decades sicne the adoption of multiculturalism fragments society, dividing it, inherently weakening it and rendering the ability to mount a coherent resistance impossible. crime is up, drugs are up, divorce is up.  community spirit and involvement are down.  Just the way of the world, or the results of ideology employed as a weapon?

Colour, shape of nose and eyes, are only points of diversity if you make it so. Having diversity in food, clothing and music etc are a plus. If you hear some mad monk preaching the godliness of blowing up Australian buses and trains drag him out feet first by all means, preferably under water.

... wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 7:26pm:

Who needs freedom of thought anyway?

Thought?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 2:13pm:

Hey Karnal....get outa me dam country go on. This video is so true it's not funny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4AchHTN-XQ Joking Karnal, you can stay.

One of those Pakistani poofs looked like me.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 3:49pm:

1. I'm not racist. I just support the white race football team. 2. Well, yes, I am racist, but what's wrong with that? We're all racists. 3. Racists have become the victims. It's an active witch-hunt. It's the PC brigade as usual, raining on everybody's parade. 4. Don't you hate the "I hate everyone equally" line? Racists should stand up and be counted. We need to stick together. 5. They had it right in the old days. You used to be able to call them boongs and kaffers. What's wrong with that? It's just a bit of harmless fun and putting them in their place.

Whoops, looks like we've gone back to the start again:

I'm not racist.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 8:01pm:

Your analogy does you little credit Honky, for if you follow it through to any logical conclusion, it becomes self defeating, for your argument. Racism, and Greed, natural traits you say. If we accept that premise, we can then say that it is not the having of such traits, but what actions they inspire, will lead us to judge the people in question. The man whose greed, inspires him to steal, and cheat, is naturally condemned for his behaviour. The racist man who targets people for unfair treatment, because of an accident of birth, is equally condemned, by all decent people.

    mozzaok wrote Today at 6:57am:
Instead of teaching them how to do financial work, they should start by giving them acting lessons, so they can imitate other accents, because the moment I hear an indian voice on the phone, I think telemarketing, and hang up.
If everyone did as I do, we would have zero telemarketers annoying people, and exploiting the ones to naive to hang up.

The only way to fight Bastard Bankers, is to find NON-BASTARD alternatives, but they do seem to have us by the throat, and our choices are restricted to which Bastards are the least offensive.

SO IT IS WRITTEN    ;D ;D ;D

FRED. wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 7:24am:

mozzaok wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 8:01pm: Your analogy does you little credit Honky, for if you follow it through to any logical conclusion, it becomes self defeating, for your argument. Racism, and Greed, natural traits you say. If we accept that premise, we can then say that it is not the having of such traits, but what actions they inspire, will lead us to judge the people in question. The man whose greed, inspires him to steal, and cheat, is naturally condemned for his behaviour. The racist man who targets people for unfair treatment, because of an accident of birth, is equally condemned, by all decent people.     mozzaok wrote Today at 6:57am: Instead of teaching them how to do financial work, they should start by giving them acting lessons, so they can imitate other accents, because the moment I hear an indian voice on the phone, I think telemarketing, and hang up. If everyone did as I do, we would have zero telemarketers annoying people, and exploiting the ones to naive to hang up. The only way to fight Bastard Bankers, is to find NON-BASTARD alternatives, but they do seem to have us by the throat, and our choices are restricted to which Bastards are the least offensive. SO IT IS WRITTEN    ;D ;D ;D

Don't you love it.   ;)

Do you two dullards have an astute observation to make, or have you already reached the limit of your meagre abilities?

mozzaok wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 8:08am:

Do you two dullards have an astute observation to make, or have you already reached the limit of your meagre abilities?

So you have taken the Gillard line of defence to your double speak?

blackadder wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 7:27am:

FRED. wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 7:24am: mozzaok wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 8:01pm: Your analogy does you little credit Honky, for if you follow it through to any logical conclusion, it becomes self defeating, for your argument. Racism, and Greed, natural traits you say. If we accept that premise, we can then say that it is not the having of such traits, but what actions they inspire, will lead us to judge the people in question. The man whose greed, inspires him to steal, and cheat, is naturally condemned for his behaviour. The racist man who targets people for unfair treatment, because of an accident of birth, is equally condemned, by all decent people.     mozzaok wrote Today at 6:57am: Instead of teaching them how to do financial work, they should start by giving them acting lessons, so they can imitate other accents, because the moment I hear an indian voice on the phone, I think telemarketing, and hang up. If everyone did as I do, we would have zero telemarketers annoying people, and exploiting the ones to naive to hang up. The only way to fight Bastard Bankers, is to find NON-BASTARD alternatives, but they do seem to have us by the throat, and our choices are restricted to which Bastards are the least offensive. SO IT IS WRITTEN    ;D ;D ;D Don't you love it.   ;)

So can you explain the  DOUBLE STANDARDS MOZ   ;)

The institutionalisation of anti-racism and its transformation into a culturally sanctioned etiquette is not simply a harmless exercise in impression management. The promotion of the idea that racism is prevalent and that its unwitting variant is even more widespread has the effect of racialising everyday life. It prompts people to interpret each other's behaviour and language through the prism of race. Racialisation breeds an intense sensitivity towards cultural difference and inevitably fuels mistrust and suspicion.

The unintended accomplishment of the anti-racist industry is to make it difficult for people from different ethnic backgrounds to trust one another.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/racism-no-longer-an-objective-act-of-oppression-but-an-inherently-subjective-accusation/story-e6frgd0x-1226249716844

In effect, all this preoccupation with race is making race impossible to actually ignore.

Also, and again paradoxically, there are more and more expressions of race pride in the form of affirming this or that ethnic or racial group. Every tinted identity is to be celebrated. White pride, however, is racist. Those who identify as being 'proud Australians' risk sniggers or worse.

It is the anri-racists (ie grievance mongers) who will never let you forget what colour anyone is. They will use exmples from a hundred years ago to justify themselves, even though our society today is nothing like it was a hundred years ago.

Soren wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 10:07am:

The institutionalisation of anti-racism and its transformation into a culturally sanctioned etiquette is not simply a harmless exercise in impression management. The promotion of the idea that racism is prevalent and that its unwitting variant is even more widespread has the effect of racialising everyday life. It prompts people to interpret each other's behaviour and language through the prism of race. Racialisation breeds an intense sensitivity towards cultural difference and inevitably fuels mistrust and suspicion. The unintended accomplishment of the anti-racist industry is to make it difficult for people from different ethnic backgrounds to trust one another. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/racism-no-longer-an-objective-act-of-oppression-but-an-inherently-subjective-accusation/story-e6frgd0x-1226249716844 In effect, all this preoccupation with race is making race impossible to actually ignore. Also, and again paradoxically, there are more and more expressions of race pride in the form of affirming this or that ethnic or racial group. Every tinted identity is to be celebrated. White pride, however, is racist. Those who identify as being 'proud Australians' risk sniggers or worse. It is the anri-racists (ie grievance mongers) who will never let you forget what colour anyone is. They will use exmples from a hundred years ago to justify themselves, even though our society today is nothing like it was a hundred years ago.

According to that bollocks racists like you should be free to spread their bile without criticism. In your deams Nazi boy. ;D

grey is grey colour

talk about a go-nowhere argument

the sowell loop is so perfectly demonstrated in this thread its not funny

There is no institutional racism in Australia. Everyone i equal before the law.
Banging on about race all the time is creating distrust and a grievance industry.

Soren wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 4:06pm:

There is no institutional racism in Australia. Everyone i equal before the law. Banging on about race all the time is creating distrust and a grievance industry.

Do the racialists have an industry, old boy? What do they manufacture?

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 6:13pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 4:06pm: There is no institutional racism in Australia. Everyone i equal before the law. Banging on about race all the time is creating distrust and a grievance industry. Do the racialists have an industry, old boy? What do they manufacture?

Grievance.

A very important product, old boy. I should look at getting some shares in the company.

Soren ... again I agree with you, ... :o
.. if you analyse matters, it is pretty plain to see.. that "perception management' tactics are in use here and now, in our homes, workplace,  just about everywhere.!  And it's not only being employed in the racism issue.!!

You said
'The promotion of the idea that racism is prevalent and that its unwitting variant is even more widespread has the effect of racialising everyday life. It prompts people to interpret each other's behaviour and language through the prism of race. Racialisation breeds an intense sensitivity towards cultural difference and inevitably fuels mistrust and suspicion.'

Fine words there.. are they your own??

'Cos I see what you are saying ;)   Makes one seriously consider real conspiracy somewhere....
Widespread divisive,,, who wins???
Who gets the $$$$$$$$$$$$?


I'd say ..off the top of my head,  arms-dealers, war-mongers and terrorists.

I dont for one moment believe that anyone can claim to be non-racist. Tolerance is the best I think any person or country can ever hope to achieve.

I hate it when people fetishise tolerance. It is so stupid AND insincere.

I don't want to tolerate everything and I thing it's a sign of arseholery wanting to tolerate everything. Discrimination - being able to tell the difference between things - is a hard-won virtue. Only the lazy and the stupid want to denounce it.

Soren, you have a good point on the one hand however I'm not sure you really should assert that it is necessary to give up the functional ability of discrimination simply to be able to apply tolerance.

eg (and I anm trying very hard to be humourous here - even if it is at yur expense :) ) even though I have come to the conclusion you are an arsehole I see no reason not to tolerate you... You see?

Soren wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 9:07pm:

I hate it when people fetishise tolerance. It is so stupid AND insincere. I don't want to tolerate everything and I thing it's a sign of arseholery wanting to tolerate everything. Discrimination - being able to tell the difference between things - is a hard-won virtue. Only the lazy and the stupid want to denounce it.

Shut The F*k Up Pipey.

Tolerance is just a synonym for timidness. 

"In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing."  And tolerance is precisely, doing nothing.  Why should standing back and "allowing evil to flourish" be a celebrated virtue? 

... wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 10:42pm:

Tolerance is just a synonym for timidness.  "In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing."  And tolerance is precisely, doing nothing.  Why should standing back and "allowing evil to flourish" be a celebrated virtue?

Shut The F*K Up Shonky Donk.

Gist wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 10:57pm:

... wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 10:42pm: Tolerance is just a synonym for timidness.  "In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing."  And tolerance is precisely, doing nothing.  Why should standing back and "allowing evil to flourish" be a celebrated virtue?  Shut The F*K Up Shonky Donk.

That's the way.  Tolerance is for sissies. 

Now then, GFY bidge.

... wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 10:42pm:

Tolerance is just a synonym for timidness.  "In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing."  And tolerance is precisely, doing nothing.  Why should standing back and "allowing evil to flourish" be a celebrated virtue?

No way.. tolerance,using your palance,....
is most definitely an attribute of courage.!!

It is not  that tolerance = ignoring, and thereby allowing, evil to flourish.!

Nor does tolerance require the fore-going of discrimination,  in the sense of the word, as you use here. You are just playing word games.
One could not be tolerant,  ... without discrimination.! ::) :D

Emma wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 12:05am:

... wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 10:42pm: Tolerance is just a synonym for timidness.  "In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing."  And tolerance is precisely, doing nothing.  Why should standing back and "allowing evil to flourish" be a celebrated virtue?  No way.. tolerance,using your palance,.... is most definitely an attribute of courage.!! It is not  that tolerance = ignoring, and thereby allowing, evil to flourish.! Nor does tolerance require the fore-going of discrimination,  in the sense of the word, as you use here. You are just playing word games. One could not be tolerant,  ... without discrimination.! ::) :D

Complete and utter crap.

Dooley wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 9:54pm:

Soren, you have a good point on the one hand however I'm not sure you really should assert that it is necessary to give up the functional ability of discrimination simply to be able to apply tolerance. eg (and I anm trying very hard to be humourous here - even if it is at yur expense :) ) even though I have come to the conclusion you are an arsehole I see no reason not to tolerate you... You see?

You can tolerate one arsehole in a  population of 100, mybe even 2 arseholes. Or 3.

But if the trend is towards 30-40 arseholes in a 100, and rising,  you would be mad to remain so sanguine.

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But if the trend is towards 30-40 arseholes in a 100, and rising,  you would be mad to remain so sanguine.

Soren

If you perceive such a trend, I would suggest that perhaps you are setting an unreachably high bar, due to a personal predisposition to subjective criteria that exist only in your mind, or else your perceptions are just wrong.

Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 12:03pm:

Dooley wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 9:54pm: Soren, you have a good point on the one hand however I'm not sure you really should assert that it is necessary to give up the functional ability of discrimination simply to be able to apply tolerance. eg (and I anm trying very hard to be humourous here - even if it is at yur expense :) ) even though I have come to the conclusion you are an arsehole I see no reason not to tolerate you... You see? You can tolerate one arsehole in a  population of 100, mybe even 2 arseholes. Or 3. But if the trend is towards 30-40 arseholes in a 100, and rising,  you would be mad to remain so sanguine.

Says the resident co-arsehole.

;)

... wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 11:00pm:

Gist wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 10:57pm: ... wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 10:42pm: Tolerance is just a synonym for timidness.  "In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing."  And tolerance is precisely, doing nothing.  Why should standing back and "allowing evil to flourish" be a celebrated virtue?  Shut The F*K Up Shonky Donk. That's the way.  Tolerance is for sissies.  Now then, GFY bidge.

How dare you tolerate my response scumbag? Obviously you're the sissy for tolerating my response!  >:(

I'd tell you to GFY as well but... we both know even you won't do that with you.  ;D ;D

Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 12:03pm:

Dooley wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 9:54pm: Soren, you have a good point on the one hand however I'm not sure you really should assert that it is necessary to give up the functional ability of discrimination simply to be able to apply tolerance. eg (and I anm trying very hard to be humourous here - even if it is at yur expense :) ) even though I have come to the conclusion you are an arsehole I see no reason not to tolerate you... You see? You can tolerate one arsehole in a  population of 100, mybe even 2 arseholes. Or 3. But if the trend is towards 30-40 arseholes in a 100, and rising,  you would be mad to remain so sanguine.

It means the other 60-70% are sissys for tolerating you.

Gist wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 12:28pm:

... wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 11:00pm: Gist wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 10:57pm: ... wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 10:42pm: Tolerance is just a synonym for timidness.  "In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing."  And tolerance is precisely, doing nothing.  Why should standing back and "allowing evil to flourish" be a celebrated virtue?  Shut The F*K Up Shonky Donk. That's the way.  Tolerance is for sissies.  Now then, GFY bidge. How dare you tolerate my response scumbag? Obviously you're the sissy for tolerating my response!  >:( I'd tell you to GFY as well but... we both know even you won't do that with you.  ;D ;D

I thought it was Good For You!

mozzaok wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 12:15pm:

Quote: But if the trend is towards 30-40 arseholes in a 100, and rising,  you would be mad to remain so sanguine. Soren If you perceive such a trend, I would suggest that perhaps you are setting an unreachably high bar, due to a personal predisposition to subjective criteria that exist only in your mind, or else your perceptions are just wrong.

These statititics do not exist only in my mind.

In Europe as a whole, the Muslim share of the population is expected to grow by nearly one-third over the next 20 years, rising from 6% of the region's inhabitants in 2010 to 8% in 2030. In absolute numbers, Europe's Muslim population is projected to grow from 44.1 million in 2010 to 58.2 million in 2030. The greatest increases -- driven primarily by continued migration -- are likely to occur in Western and Northern Europe, where Muslims will be approaching double-digit percentages of the population in several countries. In the United Kingdom, for example, Muslims are expected to account for 8.2% of the population in 2030, up from an estimated 4.6% today. In Austria, Muslims are projected to reach 9.3% of the population in 2030, up from 5.7% today; in Sweden, 9.9% (up from 4.9% today); in Belgium, 10.2% (up from 6% today); and in France, 10.3% (up from 7.5% today). (See the Europe section of the full report for more details.)

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1872/muslim-population-projections-worldwide-fast-growth


Mohamed is the most popular baby name in Brussels and Antwerp, 6 years running.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 12:40pm:

I thought it was Good For You!

Not when I use it.  ;)

Soren wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 9:07pm:

I hate it when people fetishise tolerance. It is so stupid AND insincere.

Of course you do.

Soren wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 10:07am:

The institutionalisation of anti-racism and its transformation into a culturally sanctioned etiquette is not simply a harmless exercise in impression management. The promotion of the idea that racism is prevalent and that its unwitting variant is even more widespread has the effect of racialising everyday life. It prompts people to interpret each other's behaviour and language through the prism of race. Racialisation breeds an intense sensitivity towards cultural difference and inevitably fuels mistrust and suspicion. The unintended accomplishment of the anti-racist industry is to make it difficult for people from different ethnic backgrounds to trust one another. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/racism-no-longer-an-objective-act-of-oppression-but-an-inherently-subjective-accusation/story-e6frgd0x-1226249716844 In effect, all this preoccupation with race is making race impossible to actually ignore. Also, and again paradoxically, there are more and more expressions of race pride in the form of affirming this or that ethnic or racial group. Every tinted identity is to be celebrated. White pride, however, is racist. Those who identify as being 'proud Australians' risk sniggers or worse. It is the anri-racists (ie grievance mongers) who will never let you forget what colour anyone is. They will use exmples from a hundred years ago to justify themselves, even though our society today is nothing like it was a hundred years ago.

Thanks, old boy. Here we were thinking the daily slurs against the tinted races, many of whom post on this board, were creating social division. However, you're saying it's the anti-racists who've become the racists, while the racists are just nice people who want to quietly get on with their racism. Well, not quietly, because we shouldn't tolerate anyone. Tolerance is weak and insipid. Racists should be free to get along with their business of not tolerating the tinted races and the anti-racists/fascists should stop being racist and not be so mean to the racists.

Again, marvellous logic, old chap. I'm putting you up for the Pakistani Freedom Prize for this one.

Abu, for one, will be quite jealous if you win. He's been a runner-up for the last few years.

shut up stop posting in this thread

barnaby joe wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 6:06pm:

shut up stop posting in this thread

Why..because your brain damage requires it??

Imperium, I believe you've been a recipient of the prestigious PF award yourself. If there any advice you'd like to give to the old boy?

Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 12:43pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 12:15pm: Quote: But if the trend is towards 30-40 arseholes in a 100, and rising,  you would be mad to remain so sanguine. Soren If you perceive such a trend, I would suggest that perhaps you are setting an unreachably high bar, due to a personal predisposition to subjective criteria that exist only in your mind, or else your perceptions are just wrong. These statititics do not exist only in my mind. In Europe as a whole, the Muslim share of the population is expected to grow by nearly one-third over the next 20 years, rising from 6% of the region's inhabitants in 2010 to 8% in 2030. In absolute numbers, Europe's Muslim population is projected to grow from 44.1 million in 2010 to 58.2 million in 2030. The greatest increases -- driven primarily by continued migration -- are likely to occur in Western and Northern Europe, where Muslims will be approaching double-digit percentages of the population in several countries. In the United Kingdom, for example, Muslims are expected to account for 8.2% of the population in 2030, up from an estimated 4.6% today. In Austria, Muslims are projected to reach 9.3% of the population in 2030, up from 5.7% today; in Sweden, 9.9% (up from 4.9% today); in Belgium, 10.2% (up from 6% today); and in France, 10.3% (up from 7.5% today). (See the Europe section of the full report for more details.) http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1872/muslim-population-projections-worldwide-fast-growth Mohamed is the most popular baby name in Brussels and Antwerp, 6 years running.

Well, you quote a lot of numbers. Even manage to sprinkle in a few big words. But it's kinda hard to think of you as anything better than profoundly stupid when it's patently obvious you still can't tell the difference between simple notions like race and religion.

The old boy is definately not stupid. He knows exactly what he's doing.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 6:09pm:

Imperium, I believe you've been a recipient of the prestigious PF award yourself. If there any advice you'd like to give to the old boy?

what advice would you recommend?

Perhaps he should wear his traditional Danish dancing costume and get his wife to plait her hair. They like you to look a bit multicultural.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 6:10pm:

The old boy is definately not stupid. He knows exactly what he's doing.

Intentionally making himself look stupid? That doesn't sound like a very good plan to me...  :-?

Gist wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 6:31pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 6:10pm: The old boy is definately not stupid. He knows exactly what he's doing. Intentionally making himself look stupid? That doesn't sound like a very good plan to me...  :-?

To us, sure, but apparently it's a superior form of logic.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 6:36pm:

Gist wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 6:31pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 6:10pm: The old boy is definately not stupid. He knows exactly what he's doing. Intentionally making himself look stupid? That doesn't sound like a very good plan to me...  :-? To us, sure, but apparently it's a superior form of logic.

A Paki bugger and a dago git - what a team.

... wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 9:51am:

Emma wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 12:05am: ... wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 10:42pm: Tolerance is just a synonym for timidness.  "In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing."  And tolerance is precisely, doing nothing.  Why should standing back and "allowing evil to flourish" be a celebrated virtue?  No way.. tolerance,using your palance,.... is most definitely an attribute of courage.!! It is not  that tolerance = ignoring, and thereby allowing, evil to flourish.! Nor does tolerance require the fore-going of discrimination,  in the sense of the word, as you use here. You are just playing word games. One could not be tolerant,  ... without discrimination.! ::) :D Complete and utter crap.

Blah Blah Blah --  oohhh back on track...


Guess I allowed for more intelligence than is present in you... think you missed the point ...
See what happens when I try for brevity??

Just in case you missed it.... discrimination, in this context, equals discernment, ability to see the differences in things...not a negative word after all. :) 

Seems I be -  'beyond' your comprehension.

Emma wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 7:49pm:

... wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 9:51am: Emma wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 12:05am: ... wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 10:42pm: Tolerance is just a synonym for timidness.  "In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing."  And tolerance is precisely, doing nothing.  Why should standing back and "allowing evil to flourish" be a celebrated virtue?  No way.. tolerance,using your palance,.... is most definitely an attribute of courage.!! It is not  that tolerance = ignoring, and thereby allowing, evil to flourish.! Nor does tolerance require the fore-going of discrimination,  in the sense of the word, as you use here. You are just playing word games. One could not be tolerant,  ... without discrimination.! ::) :D Complete and utter crap. Blah Blah Blah --  oohhh back on track... Guess I allowed for more intelligence than is present in you... think you missed the point ... See what happens when I try for brevity?? Just in case you missed it.... discrimination, in this context, equals discernment, ability to see the differences in things...not a negative word after all. :)  Seems I be -  'beyond' your comprehension.

The ability to see the differences......and do nothing with them.  Yes, it takes a very courageous person to look at the ground and shuffle awkwardly in tolerance rather than stand up and be counted. 

As I said - complete and utter crap.  :-*

Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 7:45pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 6:36pm: Gist wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 6:31pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 6:10pm: The old boy is definately not stupid. He knows exactly what he's doing. Intentionally making himself look stupid? That doesn't sound like a very good plan to me...  :-? To us, sure, but apparently it's a superior form of logic. A Paki bugger and a dago git - what a team.

You see?

Oh I do differ ...HT.... 

...if you want to DO something ... you MUST have tolerance for people not like you.  If you want to DO something..you need to know what is necessary... you must have tolerance,.. else you are operating with a 'closed mind' .

Tolerance - to me.   means allowing people to be who they are.....  not placing unrealistic expectations on the interaction,  ....not seeking  other reward.

If you want to do something - you need an open mind.
:)

AND you have to STAND UP.!!!

... wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 7:53pm:

Emma wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 7:49pm: ... wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 9:51am: Emma wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 12:05am: ... wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 10:42pm: Tolerance is just a synonym for timidness.  "In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing."  And tolerance is precisely, doing nothing.  Why should standing back and "allowing evil to flourish" be a celebrated virtue?  No way.. tolerance,using your palance,.... is most definitely an attribute of courage.!! It is not  that tolerance = ignoring, and thereby allowing, evil to flourish.! Nor does tolerance require the fore-going of discrimination,  in the sense of the word, as you use here. You are just playing word games. One could not be tolerant,  ... without discrimination.! ::) :D Complete and utter crap. Blah Blah Blah --  oohhh back on track... Guess I allowed for more intelligence than is present in you... think you missed the point ... See what happens when I try for brevity?? Just in case you missed it.... discrimination, in this context, equals discernment, ability to see the differences in things...not a negative word after all. :)  Seems I be -  'beyond' your comprehension. The ability to see the differences......and do nothing with them.  Yes, it takes a very courageous person to look at the ground and shuffle awkwardly in tolerance rather than stand up and be counted.  As I said - complete and utter crap.  :-*

Sorry, stand up and be counted about what? What exactly are you compaining about?

For the old boy it's the age of the dancing boys. Fair enough.

I know we need to be all PC and tolerate racism as you say, but what are the tinted races actually doing to you again? I keep forgetting.

Soren wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 7:45pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 6:36pm: Gist wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 6:31pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 6:10pm: The old boy is definately not stupid. He knows exactly what he's doing. Intentionally making himself look stupid? That doesn't sound like a very good plan to me...  :-? To us, sure, but apparently it's a superior form of logic. A Paki bugger and a dago git - what a team.

Thank you. You are of course correct but your admiration is completely unnecessary.

[The ability to see the differences......and do nothing with them.  Yes, it takes a very courageous person to look at the ground and shuffle awkwardly in tolerance rather than stand up and be counted. 

As I said - complete and utter crap.  :-* [/quote]

Sorry, stand up and be counted about what? What exactly are you compaining about?

For the old boy it's the age of the dancing boys. Fair enough.

I know we need to be all PC and tolerate racism as you say, but what are the tinted races actually doing to you again? I keep forgetting.[/quote]




it's mystifying.! :-?

Emma wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 8:22pm:

[The ability to see the differences......and do nothing with them.  Yes, it takes a very courageous person to look at the ground and shuffle awkwardly in tolerance rather than stand up and be counted.  As I said - complete and utter crap.  :-*

Sorry, stand up and be counted about what? What exactly are you compaining about?

For the old boy it's the age of the dancing boys. Fair enough.

I know we need to be all PC and tolerate racism as you say, but what are the tinted races actually doing to you again? I keep forgetting.[/quote]


it's mystifying.! :-?[/quote]


I'm just trying to decode your gibberish as best I can. 

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 8:08pm:

... wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 7:53pm: Emma wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 7:49pm: ... wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 9:51am: Emma wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 12:05am: ... wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 10:42pm: Tolerance is just a synonym for timidness.  "In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing."  And tolerance is precisely, doing nothing.  Why should standing back and "allowing evil to flourish" be a celebrated virtue?  No way.. tolerance,using your palance,.... is most definitely an attribute of courage.!! It is not  that tolerance = ignoring, and thereby allowing, evil to flourish.! Nor does tolerance require the fore-going of discrimination,  in the sense of the word, as you use here. You are just playing word games. One could not be tolerant,  ... without discrimination.! ::) :D Complete and utter crap. Blah Blah Blah --  oohhh back on track... Guess I allowed for more intelligence than is present in you... think you missed the point ... See what happens when I try for brevity?? Just in case you missed it.... discrimination, in this context, equals discernment, ability to see the differences in things...not a negative word after all. :)  Seems I be -  'beyond' your comprehension. The ability to see the differences......and do nothing with them.  Yes, it takes a very courageous person to look at the ground and shuffle awkwardly in tolerance rather than stand up and be counted.  As I said - complete and utter crap.  :-* Sorry, stand up and be counted about what? What exactly are you compaining about? For the old boy it's the age of the dancing boys. Fair enough. I know we need to be all PC and tolerate racism as you say, but what are the tinted races actually doing to you again? I keep forgetting.

Shut up karnal. 

I get the impression you got a hard time as a little un, and you blame it on racism.  From what i see of your charcater, it's probably more likely to have been the fact that you're a cheesy smartass than wacism.