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Background Sex differences in personality are believed to be comparatively small. However, research in this area has suffered from significant methodological limitations. We advance a set of guidelines for overcoming those limitations: (a) measure personality with a higher resolution than that afforded by the Big Five; (b) estimate sex differences on latent factors; and (c) assess global sex differences with multivariate effect sizes. We then apply these guidelines to a large, representative adult sample, and obtain what is presently the best estimate of global sex differences in personality. Methodology/Principal Findings Personality measures were obtained from a large US sample (N = 10,261) with the 16PF Questionnaire. Multigroup latent variable modeling was used to estimate sex differences on individual personality dimensions, which were then aggregated to yield a multivariate effect size (Mahalanobis D). We found a global effect size D = 2.71, corresponding to an overlap of only 10% between the male and female distributions. Even excluding the factor showing the largest univariate ES, the global effect size was D = 1.71 (24% overlap). These are extremely large differences by psychological standards. Significance The idea that there are only minor differences between the personality profiles of males and females should be rejected as based on inadequate methodology.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0029265

Common sense told us this for a million years or so.  Now almighty science has confirmed it.

anybody else remember the larry summers fiasco about this.

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As often noted, the genomes of humans and chimpanzees are 98.5 percent identical, when each of their three billion DNA units are compared. But what of men and women, who have different chromosomes? Until now, biologists have said that makes no difference, because there are almost no genes on the Y, and in women one of the two X chromosomes is inactivated, so that both men and women have one working X chromosome. But researchers have recently found that several hundred genes on the X escape inactivation. Taking those genes into account along with the new tally of Y genes gives this result: Men and women differ by 1 to 2 percent of their genomes, Dr. Page said, which is the same as the difference between a man and a male chimpanzee or between a woman and a female chimpanzee.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/19/us/y-chromosome-depends-on-itself-to-survive.html?pagewanted=3&src=pm

wesley you should read game/anti-feminist blogs

wossat?

And?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 14^th, 2012 at 5:04pm:

And?

Empirical analysis proves, without much difficulty, that the 'egalitarian' mantra is nothing but a sham, and there needs to be an 'and'?

I thought it was interesting that te genome between male and female humans varies by as much as same gender chimps and humans.  But I suppose if I was a 'hostile witness' I'd pretend it was meaningless too.

Even if I accepted this, personality differences aren't an excuse for inequality or oppression.


Name some personality traits that are exclusively male or female?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 7:12pm:

Even if I accepted this, personality differences aren't an excuse for inequality or oppression. Name some personality traits that are exclusively male or female?

All traits are shared, its just the degree and frequency that varies.   Thus, if say, aggression is found more commonly in males, and/or to a higher degree, it stands to reason that males will be proportionally over represented in fields where agrresion is deemed  beneficial.  Insert any trait you like into that equation, and the theory still holds.   It's why women don't bemoan inequality in the numbers involved in boxing, and men don't bemoan thy're not proportionally represented in nursing. 
Why bother trying to 'corect' a situation which finds it's own equilibrium?

Ok, so how is different not equal?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 7:25pm:

Ok, so how is different not equal?

Not really sure what you mean there, but there's plenty of examples of "equal but opposite". 

Positive/negative
light/dark
heads/tails
night/day
male/female. 

You can't have one without the other, so by that fact alone, they are of equal importance overall, but are different in essence and in function.

I didn't word it well.

How does acknowledging difference have any effect on gender equality and equal rights?

In other words, how do you come up with this based on something like personality differences?


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the 'egalitarian' mantra is nothing but a sham

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 16^th, 2012 at 8:19am:

I didn't word it well. How does acknowledging difference have any effect on gender equality and equal rights? In other words, how do you come up with this based on something like personality differences? Quote: the 'egalitarian' mantra is nothing but a sham

Because you confuse equality of worth with equality of outcomes. 
You want a 50/50 split male/female in every role and every facet of life, without regard for aptitude. 
Two different things cannot have equal outcomes within the same environment. 

Do feminists have anything else other than trying to induce shame by throwing slogans around such as "inequality" and "oppression"?

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Because you confuse equality of worth with equality of outcomes.  You want a 50/50 split male/female in every role and every facet of life, without regard for aptitude.

No, I'm just sick of men telling me what I want, especially when they get it so wrong. For what must be the 50th time, I want equal opportunity and equal reward for women and men all over the world.

Not even a spectacularly original article about male/female personality differences can change that.



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Do feminists have anything else other than trying to induce shame by throwing slogans around such as "inequality" and "oppression"?

Sure, I could write a long post about how smug, over-privileged, self-indulged people like you are part of the problem, but what would be the point?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 16^th, 2012 at 5:04pm:

Quote: Because you confuse equality of worth with equality of outcomes.  You want a 50/50 split male/female in every role and every facet of life, without regard for aptitude. No, I'm just sick of men telling me what I want, especially when they get it so wrong. For what must be the 50th time, I want equal opportunity and equal reward for women and men all over the world. Not even a spectacularly original article about male/female personality differences can change that.

And you could make a song and dance about that for the next 1000 years - it will still be impossible.

And that's pretty much what you said you want just now.  Can't really see how it's 'so wrong' - care to enlighten me as to the difference between wanting 'equal outcomes' (what I said) and 'equal reward'? (what you said)

Equal reward for equal work.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 16^th, 2012 at 5:14pm:

Equal reward for equal work.

Done.  You've got what you wished for - Now what?

You can't be serious. Even if we had true equality here, what about women in other countries?

Are we supposed to just ignore their situation?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 16^th, 2012 at 5:20pm:

You can't be serious. Even if we had true equality here, what about women in other countries? Are we supposed to just ignore their situation?

Either ignore it, or go and hector THEIR men in THEIR countries. 

Do you believe Indigenous Australian women have equal opportunity?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 16^th, 2012 at 5:30pm:

Do you believe Indigenous Australian women have equal opportunity?

No, I believe they have better than equal opportunity - shame they don't have the capacity to make something of it. 

And this is where the "equality" thang falls in a big hole.  You can artificially try to enginner equality, but the flaw in the equation is that all people are not equal, so it's doomed to fail.

Yeah those dumb black bitches need to stop gettin'on the piss and get their act together, eh?


I doubt you understand the problems or the personal strength and courage it takes to overcome true adversity - to even find the will to do it. You have probably never had to really struggle.

I have heard all of your arguments before - you will never understand.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 16^th, 2012 at 5:41pm:

Yeah those dumb black bitches need to stop gettin'on the piss and get their act together, eh? I doubt you understand the problems or the personal strength and courage it takes to overcome true adversity - to even find the will to do it. You have probably never had to really struggle. I have heard all of your arguments before - you will never understand.

Meh.  Disregarding the dummy spit - how do you think harrassing mainstream australian men is going to benefit aboriginal women?  How is harrassing mainstream australian men going to benefit African or afghan women?
Learn to target your message, or risk alienating those who support you. 

I don't harrass anyone, but thanks for the advice...Honky.

Do you think you could relay the suggestion to the rest of the sistahood? 

Annie were you ever a contestant for  Miss Australia? When they were interviewed they all wanted world peace.

Do you not want world peace?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 16^th, 2012 at 5:30pm:

Do you believe Indigenous Australian women have equal opportunity?

Do you believe Indigenous Australian nen have equal opportunity?

blackadder wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 6:43am:

Annie were you ever a contestant for  Miss Australia? When they were interviewed they all wanted world peace.

I always got the feeling that it was more that they wanted a peice of the world.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 8:07am:

blackadder wrote on Jan 17th, 2012 at 6:43am: Annie were you ever a contestant for  Miss Australia? When they were interviewed they all wanted world peace. I always got the feeling that it was more that they wanted a peice of the world.

They can have my piece anytime they want it.  ;)

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:50am:

Do you not want world peace?

I cant think of anything worse.  Not because war is cool, but because the only way to have world peace is to remove or suppress every little bit of individuality, passion, and humanity from us.    :'(

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Annie Anthrax wrote Sure, I could write a long post about how smug, over-privileged, self-indulged people like you are part of the problem, but what would be the point?

Another bunch of slogans straight out of the feminist handbook.
Never mind the fact that people actually work and study their arses off to get where they are. Let's just call them smug and over-privileged.
The problem (one of many) with feminists is the shifting of responsibilities. It's always someone else's fault that they have failed or don't have mountains of money and possessions. Do you think men sit around all day and these things fall out of the sky into their lap? No. They work day after day after day after day climbing the ladder and getting to where they want to be.
You have equal opportunity to achieve what ever it is you want, the only thing holding you back is your own unwillingness or inability.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 8:05am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 5:30pm: Do you believe Indigenous Australian women have equal opportunity? Do you believe Indigenous Australian nen have equal opportunity?

Equal to what? Other Australian men? Indigenous women?

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Let's just call them smug and over-privileged.

No let's just call them smug and over-privileged when that's exactly what they are.


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Never mind the fact that people actually work and study their arses off to get where they are

Both men and women do these things, right?

A lil bit more about the study from the opening posts:


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A new study confirms that men's minds come from Mars and women's from Venus. In an article recently published in the online journal PLoS ONE, Italian cognitive psychologist Marco Del Giudice and his collaborators compared the personality traits of men and women in a sample of over 10,000 people and found huge differences. Women scored much higher than in men in Sensitivity, Warmth, and Apprehension, while men scored higher than women in Emotional Stability, Dominance, Rule-Consciousness, and Vigilance. When many personality traits were considered simultaneously, there was only a 10% overlap between the distributions of these traits in men and women. Essentially, the study suggests that when it comes to personality men and women belong to two different species.

Great Caesars ghost! This is shocking stuff.  I can hardly believe it.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 4:55pm:

Quote: Let's just call them smug and over-privileged. No let's just call them smug and over-privileged when that's exactly what they are. [quote]Never mind the fact that people actually work and study their arses off to get where they are

Both men and women do these things, right?[/quote]


You associate success with smug and privilege without taking into account the hard work that it takes to become successful.
There are plenty of successful women, and I bet they didn't sit around complaining about oppression. I bet they studied and worked hard to get there. But successful women aren't smug or privileged are they, it's only successful men who are.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 10:29am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 17th, 2012 at 4:55pm: Quote: Let's just call them smug and over-privileged. No let's just call them smug and over-privileged when that's exactly what they are. [quote]Never mind the fact that people actually work and study their arses off to get where they are Both men and women do these things, right?

You associate success with smug and privilege without taking into account the hard work that it takes to become successful.
There are plenty of successful women, and I bet they didn't sit around complaining about oppression. I bet they studied and worked hard to get there. But successful women aren't smug or privileged are they, it's only successful men who are.[/quote]


Women are just as capable of being smug and over-privileged as men.

It is historically true that behind most great men there was a woman: a mother, a wife or a mistress. Sometimes as inspiration, more often as a spur or a manipulator. Pussy-power. But women rarely talk about it in front of men and it is not something that fits the womyns liberation caper.

http://dxjo.net/fun/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/all-too-true.jpg

What is positive in feminism is about human dignity and isn't specific to women. The specifically woman-centred boosterism manipulative and inconsistent, like attributing smugness and over-privilege only to successful men but not women.

How to draw vivid, lifelike female characters in fiction? Start with a man and take away reason and accountability.

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soren wrote What is positive in feminism is about human dignity and isn't specific to women.

Yes. I believe in equality of opportunity and equality before the law. But the feminists get irky when there is inequality of outcome.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 4:55pm:

Quote: Let's just call them smug and over-privileged. No let's just call them smug and over-privileged when that's exactly what they are.

Talk about smug. Jessica Rudd, Kevie's daughter, explains modern feminism:

"I am woman, hear me smile. I like to paint my nails and shave my legs, and I wear a bra because God gave me a decent pair and I want them to stay up."
http://www.vogue.com.au/fashion/vogue+loves/jessica+rudd+celebrates+feminism+today,15723

Am I discriminated against because God gave me no titties? Is it a cruel, mammary-centric, misandrous universe - or is God is a bit of a lad...

Soren wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 9:21am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 17th, 2012 at 4:55pm: Quote: Let's just call them smug and over-privileged. No let's just call them smug and over-privileged when that's exactly what they are. Talk about smug. Jessica Rudd, Kevie's daughter, explains modern feminism: "I am woman, hear me smile. I like to paint my nails and shave my legs, and I wear a bra because God gave me a decent pair and I want them to stay up." http://www.vogue.com.au/fashion/vogue+loves/jessica+rudd+celebrates+feminism+today,15723 Am I discriminated against because God gave me no titties? Is it a cruel, mammary-centric, misandrous universe - or is God is a bit of a lad...

She gets paid to write that drivel? Atrocious grammar and waffle. Where is the sub editor?

If she wasn't a Rudd there would be no job.

blackadder wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 10:56am:

Soren wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 9:21am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 17th, 2012 at 4:55pm: Quote: Let's just call them smug and over-privileged. No let's just call them smug and over-privileged when that's exactly what they are. Talk about smug. Jessica Rudd, Kevie's daughter, explains modern feminism: "I am woman, hear me smile. I like to paint my nails and shave my legs, and I wear a bra because God gave me a decent pair and I want them to stay up." http://www.vogue.com.au/fashion/vogue+loves/jessica+rudd+celebrates+feminism+today,15723 Am I discriminated against because God gave me no titties? Is it a cruel, mammary-centric, misandrous universe - or is God is a bit of a lad... She gets paid to write that drivel? Atrocious grammar and waffle. Where is the sub editor? If she wasn't a Rudd there would be no job.

That and mebbe bazooma power. http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2007/01/30/va1237231878267/Jessica-Rudd-being-admitted-as-a-lawyer-5374286.jpg

blackadder wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 8:16am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2012 at 8:07am: blackadder wrote on Jan 17th, 2012 at 6:43am: Annie were you ever a contestant for  Miss Australia? When they were interviewed they all wanted world peace. I always got the feeling that it was more that they wanted a peice of the world. They can have my piece anytime they want it.  ;)

No they can't. We're keeping that for Miss Right, remember?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 17^th, 2012 at 7:50am:

Do you not want world peace?

I think I can speak for Matty here and say absolutely not. World peace is the product of the guilt industry, sold to you by the leftards and liberal beauty queens. Matty knows very well you can't have world peace.

Not until the barbarians learn their place at any rate. As if that'll ever happen.

Besides, it's bad for business.