Treasurer Wayne Swan says it's just not Christmas if retailer Gerry Harvey isn't whingeing about soft sales.

The co-founder of Harvey Norman has been highly critical of the rise of international online shopping, which he says is threatening Australian jobs and businesses.   :-?

In particular, he is concerned that online purchases under $1000 do not attract a GST, creating an uneven playing field for local retailers.   :'(


But now the company has joined the offshore online retailing world by launching a shopping portal, based at a Harvey Norman outlet in Ireland, to sell GST-free computer games to Australian consumers.

Mr Harvey says it's highly likely the company will soon start selling tax-free laptops, computers, digital cameras, mobile phones and iPads on offshore websites.

Mr Swan defended the GST threshold on goods bought offshore, saying a Productivity Commission report into the issue found it wasn't the cause of retailers' woes.   :)

"I can't remember a Christmas where Gerry Harvey wasn't whingeing," he told ABC Radio today.   ;D

"Back when we put the original stimulus package in place he spent a lot of time whingeing about that, but ultimately it did lift consumption in Australia."

Mr Harvey responded, saying he wasn't a whinger and just wanted to protect the whole retail sector, not only his business.   ::)

"To call me a whinger when you are poll-driven, that's just an illusion," he told ABC Radio.

He told Mr Swan: "I've been telling you and your government for a long time ... you have a major problem: the GST. You thought it was more important to think about the votes you were going to get."

Mr Swan said the government was working its way through the Productivity Commission's recommendations.

"It found the cost of actually applying the GST to sales below $1000 was prohibitive," he said.

"It's not a panacea for some of the challenges retailers face at the moment."

Mr Harvey said the commission's report was a waste of time and that he hadn't bothered to read it.   :(

He said that when the commission's staff interviewed him as part of the consultation process, he got the impression they had "a pre-determined point of view".

"I think it cost us a lot of money for the Productivity Commission and I think we got nothing out of it," he said.

Mr Swan pointed out that not all online shopping was done on overseas websites, saying many of the parcels arriving at post offices came from Australian stores.   ;)

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/swan-takes-a-potshot-at-whinger-gerry-harvey-20111223-1p7xi.html#ixzz1hONUsw7a

joe Posted at 9:40 AM December 23, 2011

    he is not trying to protect aussie retail, he is trying to protect the exhorbitant rip off prices that aussie retailers charge for things here!   :(

Comment
Rawlf of WA Posted at 9:42 AM December 23, 2011

    Good on you Harvey Norman! Keep at them! We need more people like you!

Comment
CEO of Big 4 bank Posted at 9:44 AM December 23, 2011

    Smartest thing swan has ever said.

Comment
Peter of Subiaco Posted at 9:45 AM December 23, 2011

    When will Gerry get the hint that it's not GST that consumers are trying to dodge by purchasing off-shore? 10% is nothing. If the government did apply GST to purchases <$1000, even after paying $60 shipping + GST I would still be $300 better off on a entry level DSLR camera if I bought it from an off-shore retailer than if I bought it off Gerry (either online or offline). His point about GST being the issue is completely moot. The issue is his 400% markup and greed that he has been getting away with for years and years. Consumers are waking up now and smelling the fresh air. Hey, add 10% GST to my $550 overseas digital camera, I don't care. Harvey normal still want $999 for the same model!   :(

Comment
Peter of Subiaco Posted at 9:45 AM December 23, 2011

    When will Gerry get the hint that it's not GST that consumers are trying to dodge by purchasing off-shore? 10% is nothing. If the government did apply GST to purchases <$1000, even after paying $60 shipping + GST I would still be $300 better off on a entry level DSLR camera if I bought it from an off-shore retailer than if I bought it off Gerry (either online or offline). His point about GST being the issue is completely moot. The issue is his 400% markup and greed that he has been getting away with for years and years. Consumers are waking up now and smelling the fresh air. Hey, add 10% GST to my $550 overseas digital camera, I don't care. Harvey normal still want $999 for the same model!


Like you Crook, Peter of Subiaco has no bloody idea either.

400% mark up?????? What a wank.

blackadder wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 7:07am:

Comment Peter of Subiaco Posted at 9:45 AM December 23, 2011     When will Gerry get the hint that it's not GST that consumers are trying to dodge by purchasing off-shore? 10% is nothing. If the government did apply GST to purchases <$1000, even after paying $60 shipping + GST I would still be $300 better off on a entry level DSLR camera if I bought it from an off-shore retailer than if I bought it off Gerry (either online or offline). His point about GST being the issue is completely moot. The issue is his 400% markup and greed that he has been getting away with for years and years. Consumers are waking up now and smelling the fresh air. Hey, add 10% GST to my $550 overseas digital camera, I don't care. Harvey normal still want $999 for the same model! Like you Crook, Peter of Subiaco has no bloody idea either. 400% mark up?????? What a wank.

;D ;D ;D GOTTA LOVE IT WANKER  ;D ;D

blackadder wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 7:07am:

Comment Peter of Subiaco Posted at 9:45 AM December 23, 2011     When will Gerry get the hint that it's not GST that consumers are trying to dodge by purchasing off-shore? 10% is nothing. If the government did apply GST to purchases <$1000, even after paying $60 shipping + GST I would still be $300 better off on a entry level DSLR camera if I bought it from an off-shore retailer than if I bought it off Gerry (either online or offline). His point about GST being the issue is completely moot. The issue is his 400% markup and greed that he has been getting away with for years and years. Consumers are waking up now and smelling the fresh air. Hey, add 10% GST to my $550 overseas digital camera, I don't care. Harvey normal still want $999 for the same model! Like you Crook, Peter of Subiaco has no bloody idea either. 400% mark up?????? What a wank.

So the camera  wholesales  at x dollars.  Harvey Norman marks it up at 400% where as the online shop marks it up at around 200%, or so. (btw I believe the 400% mark up commenter was being GENEROUS)

So, whats your point blackie?

I know of clothing stores that mark up over 1000%.

What IS a normal 'mark up 'black_adder?

Better question- What is an EXCEPTED profit margin?

wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 7:17am:

blackadder wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 7:07am: Comment Peter of Subiaco Posted at 9:45 AM December 23, 2011     When will Gerry get the hint that it's not GST that consumers are trying to dodge by purchasing off-shore? 10% is nothing. If the government did apply GST to purchases <$1000, even after paying $60 shipping + GST I would still be $300 better off on a entry level DSLR camera if I bought it from an off-shore retailer than if I bought it off Gerry (either online or offline). His point about GST being the issue is completely moot. The issue is his 400% markup and greed that he has been getting away with for years and years. Consumers are waking up now and smelling the fresh air. Hey, add 10% GST to my $550 overseas digital camera, I don't care. Harvey normal still want $999 for the same model! Like you Crook, Peter of Subiaco has no bloody idea either. 400% mark up?????? What a wank. So the camera  wholesales  at x dollars.  Harvey Norman marks it up at 400% where as the online shop marks it up at around 200%, or so. (btw I believe the 400% mark up commenter was being GENEROUS) So, whats your point blackie? I know of clothing stores that mark up over 1000%. What IS a normal 'mark up 'black_adder?

;D ;DName the shop and shame them     ;D ;D

FRED. wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 7:23am:

wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 7:17am: blackadder wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 7:07am: Comment Peter of Subiaco Posted at 9:45 AM December 23, 2011     When will Gerry get the hint that it's not GST that consumers are trying to dodge by purchasing off-shore? 10% is nothing. If the government did apply GST to purchases <$1000, even after paying $60 shipping + GST I would still be $300 better off on a entry level DSLR camera if I bought it from an off-shore retailer than if I bought it off Gerry (either online or offline). His point about GST being the issue is completely moot. The issue is his 400% markup and greed that he has been getting away with for years and years. Consumers are waking up now and smelling the fresh air. Hey, add 10% GST to my $550 overseas digital camera, I don't care. Harvey normal still want $999 for the same model! Like you Crook, Peter of Subiaco has no bloody idea either. 400% mark up?????? What a wank. So the camera  wholesales  at x dollars.  Harvey Norman marks it up at 400% where as the online shop marks it up at around 200%, or so. (btw I believe the 400% mark up commenter was being GENEROUS) So, whats your point blackie? I know of clothing stores that mark up over 1000%. What IS a normal 'mark up 'black_adder? ;D ;DName the shop and shame them     ;D ;D

;D ;D ;D1000%       Wholesale    $1.60  x  1000%

great business   ;D ;D

What a sad government this is.

It is just like when the little people complain about a carbon tax and being lied to. What do labor say to us. "You are an extremist"

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 7:32am:

What a sad government this is. It is just like when the little people complain about a carbon tax and being lied to. What do labor say to us. "You are an extremist"

Yes Swan should do a Howard and tell the people they have never had it so good?

wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 7:41am:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 7:32am: What a sad government this is. It is just like when the little people complain about a carbon tax and being lied to. What do labor say to us. "You are an extremist" Yes Swan should do a Howard and tell the people they have never had it so good?

Why. Do you think we have never had it so good?

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 7:44am:

wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 7:41am: progressiveslol wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 7:32am: What a sad government this is. It is just like when the little people complain about a carbon tax and being lied to. What do labor say to us. "You are an extremist" Yes Swan should do a Howard and tell the people they have never had it so good? Why. Do you think we have never had it so good?

Not because of Swan that's for sure......... :D

Vegetable get out in the real world and not the pretend fairyland you live in.

NO retailer of electrical, electronic or camera goods makes anywhere near 400% or 200% or 100% or 50% or 25%. Most if not all electrical appliances stores are running on margins of  around 15%. They rely on volume.

Yes clothing stores do have MASSIVE markups. With some mens shirts landing from China @ $2.25 and selling for $49.95. I don't have a problem with that as they have rent, advertising, wages, insurance, loss by theft, head office overheads etc.

blackadder wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 7:56am:

Vegetable get out in the real world and not the pretend fairyland you live in. NO retailer of electrical, electronic or camera goods makes anywhere near 400% or 200% or 100% or 50% or 25%. Most if not all electrical appliances stores are running on margins of  around 15%. They rely on volume. Yes clothing stores do have MASSIVE markups. With some mens shirts landing from China @ $2.25 and selling for $49.95. I don't have a problem with that as they have rent, advertising, wages, insurance, loss by theft, head office overheads etc.

;D ;D ;DYOUR WRONG ITS 1000%  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 


Choice says the strong Australian dollar should enable local retailers to pass on savings to their customers.

    Choice demands explanation on mark-ups
    Strong dollar should mean high street savings
    Retailers "should not cry foul" if Aussies go online

AUSTRALIAN retailers must explain why they charge huge mark-ups on products that cost half as much from overseas internet companies, consumer group Choice says.   :-?

And global companies with a presence in Australia prevent local customers taking advantage of cheaper prices offered on their overseas websites, it says.

It comes after a study yesterday found retailers were marking up products by as much as 142 per cent unbeknownst to shoppers, with clothing and shoes the most expensive of the lot.   :(

In its submission to the Productivity Commission's retail inquiry, Choice says the strong Australian dollar should enable local retailers to pass on savings to their customers.


It has found that the same pair of Nike running shoes costs $240 at a major Australian sports retailer while consumers can buy the same shoes for $134 from an online store based in the US.   :(

Choice says the top 12 music albums cost 73 per cent more if purchased from the Australia iTunes store instead of the US iTunes store.

But Australians are barred from using US iTunes.

The popular video game Portal 2 for Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 costs 91 per cent more from a major Australian online retailer than from a website based in Asia.

"There are too many examples, from white goods to motorcycles and TVs to video games, where we pay more," Choice campaigns director Christopher Zinn said in a statement.   :(

"It's up to those in the supply chain here in Australia to justify why this is the case.

"Importers and retailers should not cry foul if consumers chase better prices, wherever they may be."

Last December, big retailers such as Harvey Norman, Borders, Target and David Jones waged a campaign against the $1000 GST-free threshold for retail products purchased overseas.

They labelled it unfair and argued it would cost jobs.

The National Retail Association representing 3700 small shops followed suit.

The debate urged the Federal Government to announce a Productivity Commission inquiry into the future of Australia's retail industry.

Choice said overseas retailers offered better prices, better service and a much larger range of products.

Eliminating the GST-free threshold would do nothing to dissuade Australian customers from continuing to enjoy big savings from buying online.   ;)

Choice also attacked global retailers with a presence in Australia for preventing the use of Australian credit cards on their overseas sites.

"We are challenging global corporations to drop the artificial technological barriers used to block competitive prices online, such as those affecting software and music downloads," Mr Zinn said.

"There is no reason why Australians should pay more than consumers in comparable countries for digitally delivered items like software."

The Productivity Commission has been asked to report on the current structure, performance and efficiency of the retail sector and the broader issues contributing to the increase in online purchasing by Australian consumers.

FRED. wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 7:58am:

blackadder wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 7:56am: Vegetable get out in the real world and not the pretend fairyland you live in. NO retailer of electrical, electronic or camera goods makes anywhere near 400% or 200% or 100% or 50% or 25%. Most if not all electrical appliances stores are running on margins of  around 15%. They rely on volume. Yes clothing stores do have MASSIVE markups. With some mens shirts landing from China @ $2.25 and selling for $49.95. I don't have a problem with that as they have rent, advertising, wages, insurance, loss by theft, head office overheads etc. ;D ;D ;DYOUR WRONG ITS 1000%  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Wrong??  ;D  Me wrong??   ;D  Some clothing mark up is 2000% mate.

Thank you Mr Swan.  Thank you Choice.  That's a very interesting point of view.   :)   

blackadder wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 8:07am:

FRED. wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 7:58am: blackadder wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 7:56am: Vegetable get out in the real world and not the pretend fairyland you live in. NO retailer of electrical, electronic or camera goods makes anywhere near 400% or 200% or 100% or 50% or 25%. Most if not all electrical appliances stores are running on margins of  around 15%. They rely on volume. Yes clothing stores do have MASSIVE markups. With some mens shirts landing from China @ $2.25 and selling for $49.95. I don't have a problem with that as they have rent, advertising, wages, insurance, loss by theft, head office overheads etc. ;D ;D ;DYOUR WRONG ITS 1000%  ;D ;D ;D ;D Wrong??  ;D  Me wrong??   ;D  Some clothing mark up is 2000% mate.

;D ;DYOUR WRONG  VEGI SAID ALRIGHT  "DONT ARGUE"

It has found that the same pair of Nike running shoes costs $240 at a major Australian sports retailer while consumers can buy the same shoes for $134 from an online store based in the US.   Sad


It's called volume Crook something that Choice knows nothing about.

300,000,000  V 21,000,000

Choice magazine is only good for emergency toilet paper.

FRED. wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 8:11am:

blackadder wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 8:07am: FRED. wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 7:58am: blackadder wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 7:56am: Vegetable get out in the real world and not the pretend fairyland you live in. NO retailer of electrical, electronic or camera goods makes anywhere near 400% or 200% or 100% or 50% or 25%. Most if not all electrical appliances stores are running on margins of  around 15%. They rely on volume. Yes clothing stores do have MASSIVE markups. With some mens shirts landing from China @ $2.25 and selling for $49.95. I don't have a problem with that as they have rent, advertising, wages, insurance, loss by theft, head office overheads etc. ;D ;D ;DYOUR WRONG ITS 1000%  ;D ;D ;D ;D Wrong??  ;D  Me wrong??   ;D  Some clothing mark up is 2000% mate. ;D ;DYOUR WRONG  VEGI SAID ALRIGHT  "DONT ARGUE"

:'(  :'(

blackadder wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 8:35am:

It has found that the same pair of Nike running shoes costs $240 at a major Australian sports retailer while consumers can buy the same shoes for $134 from an online store based in the US.   Sad It's called volume Crook something that Choice knows nothing about. 300,000,000  V 21,000,000 Choice magazine is only good for emergency toilet paper.

Blackadder,
Are you having problems with the "quote buttons", as a few others have had or is it that you just don't like using that method?

Blackadder,
Are you having problems with the "quote buttons", as a few others have had or is it that you just don't like using that method?


Nope.

wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 7:23am:

Better question- What is an EXCEPTED profit margin?

a good point.. to do that though we would also have to take into account..

what is an excepted wage.

what is an accepted rent to charge.

what is an accepted  level of TAX local. state govt and Fed govt... they all have a bite of this cherry.[ and not just when it arrives here]

what is an accepted level of import duty

a person orders overseas... it get put in a mail bag it arrives at a destination here .where it is then delivered to the person.

for H.N. to sell a toaster.. it has to be transported by shipping container.to a destination.

it then gets TRANSPORTED to a WAREHOUSE where it is unpacked..

it is then REORDERED and TRANSPORTED to HN outlets..



the point I am making here.. is that each of the highlighted stops... all those costs more or less are involved and they all get passed down the line.. to  guess WHO!

we do have high wages in this country we do have high holidays and public holidays amongst also the best in the world I believe..

I am not knocking what anyone does with their own money

I do think its shameful our treasurer has a shot at GH.very publicaly..was that to get in his moot point about it being to expensive to protect our retail market.... maybe he should take a turn at being immigration ministers where he could keep an eye on the cost of protecting our borders

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 8:39am:

blackadder wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 8:35am: It has found that the same pair of Nike running shoes costs $240 at a major Australian sports retailer while consumers can buy the same shoes for $134 from an online store based in the US.   Sad It's called volume Crook something that Choice knows nothing about. 300,000,000  V 21,000,000 Choice magazine is only good for emergency toilet paper. Blackadder, Are you having problems with the "quote buttons", as a few others have had or is it that you just don't like using that method?

I cant work out how to use it percy.... I know you are not surprised...
I would also like to inquire why the getup thread is safe on the front page of PS>

Swan is trying to get into a slanging match with a single retailer, yet lets the banks and petrol companies do what ever they want.

Swan is just a wanna be hero who will never be pm and doesnt have the respect of his peers.  Pathetic

cods wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 9:02am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 8:39am: blackadder wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 8:35am: It has found that the same pair of Nike running shoes costs $240 at a major Australian sports retailer while consumers can buy the same shoes for $134 from an online store based in the US.   Sad It's called volume Crook something that Choice knows nothing about. 300,000,000  V 21,000,000 Choice magazine is only good for emergency toilet paper. Blackadder, Are you having problems with the "quote buttons", as a few others have had or is it that you just don't like using that method? I cant work out how to use it percy.... I know you are not surprised... I would also like to inquire why the getup thread is safe on the front page of PS>

Cods,
Please explain?

You just used the "quote button", so what is it that you don't know how to use?

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 9:54am:

cods wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 9:02am: perceptions_now wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 8:39am: blackadder wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 8:35am: It has found that the same pair of Nike running shoes costs $240 at a major Australian sports retailer while consumers can buy the same shoes for $134 from an online store based in the US.   Sad It's called volume Crook something that Choice knows nothing about. 300,000,000  V 21,000,000 Choice magazine is only good for emergency toilet paper. Blackadder, Are you having problems with the "quote buttons", as a few others have had or is it that you just don't like using that method? I cant work out how to use it percy.... I know you are not surprised... I would also like to inquire why the getup thread is safe on the front page of PS> Cods, Please explain? You just used the "quote button", so what is it that you don't know how to use?

this is embarrasing perc... I mean when they get all these little quotes from different posts to answer all at the same time..in little boxes... but then I am lucky to switch on and off on this thing..

take no notice of me perce when it comes to the computer I am thick..nayyy more than thick. goes with age I think

Verge wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 9:21am:

Swan is trying to get into a slanging match with a single retailer, yet lets the banks and petrol companies do what ever they want. Swan is just a wanna be hero who will never be pm and doesnt have the respect of his peers.  Pathetic

your right he doesnt name names when he thinks they are not passing on just interest rate drops does he??..

probably wouldnt get an invite to be on their board when he retires otherwise... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

cods wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 9:00am:

wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 7:23am: Better question- What is an EXCEPTED profit margin? a good point.. to do that though we would also have to take into account.. what is an excepted wage. what is an accepted rent to charge. what is an accepted  level of TAX local. state govt and Fed govt... they all have a bite of this cherry.[ and not just when it arrives here] what is an accepted level of import duty a person orders overseas... it get put in a mail bag it arrives at a destination here .where it is then delivered to the person. for H.N. to sell a toaster.. it has to be transported by shipping container.to a destination. it then gets TRANSPORTED to a WAREHOUSE where it is unpacked.. it is then REORDERED and TRANSPORTED to HN outlets.. the point I am making here.. is that each of the highlighted stops... all those costs more or less are involved and they all get passed down the line.. to  guess WHO! we do have high wages in this country we do have high holidays and public holidays amongst also the best in the world I believe.. I am not knocking what anyone does with their own money I do think its shameful our treasurer has a shot at GH.very publicaly..was that to get in his moot point about it being to expensive to protect our retail market.... maybe he should take a turn at being immigration ministers where he could keep an eye on the cost of protecting our borders

If you or I buy something overseas it is transported to Australia and goes into a warehouse and is also unpacked and recorded then sorted and transported to its destination, all paid for by the customer.

Same peocess mostly half the price without the bulk rate discounts etc.

i.e. Harvey pays less than half the transport cost that you or I cough up.

just had a thought talking to my friend fred..

I wonder how many of you retail bashers will be running round the town Xmas day cursing the shops are all closed... because you have run out of something probably beer..

we really do demand a 24/7 service in this country yet loath to pay for it.

what about boxing day when you want to change something or just take it b ack.. can you do that with things you have bought overseas?????..


I dont think so..so little Johnnies toy is broken he will have to wait a while to get a new one...no it wont happen to you of course it wont.

If you or I buy something overseas it is transported to Australia and goes into a warehouse and is also unpacked and recorded then sorted and transported to its destination, all paid for by the customer.


You really don't think to hard now do you.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 10:22am:

cods wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 9:00am: wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 7:23am: Better question- What is an EXCEPTED profit margin? a good point.. to do that though we would also have to take into account.. what is an excepted wage. what is an accepted rent to charge. what is an accepted  level of TAX local. state govt and Fed govt... they all have a bite of this cherry.[ and not just when it arrives here] what is an accepted level of import duty a person orders overseas... it get put in a mail bag it arrives at a destination here .where it is then delivered to the person. for H.N. to sell a toaster.. it has to be transported by shipping container.to a destination. it then gets TRANSPORTED to a WAREHOUSE where it is unpacked.. it is then REORDERED and TRANSPORTED to HN outlets.. the point I am making here.. is that each of the highlighted stops... all those costs more or less are involved and they all get passed down the line.. to  guess WHO! we do have high wages in this country we do have high holidays and public holidays amongst also the best in the world I believe.. I am not knocking what anyone does with their own money I do think its shameful our treasurer has a shot at GH.very publicaly..was that to get in his moot point about it being to expensive to protect our retail market.... maybe he should take a turn at being immigration ministers where he could keep an eye on the cost of protecting our borders If you or I buy something overseas it is transported to Australia and goes into a warehouse and is also unpacked and recorded then sorted and transported to its destination, all paid for by the customer. Same peocess mostly half the price without the bulk rate discounts etc. i.e. Harvey pays less than half the transport cost that you or I cough up.

And that employes transport staff,warehouse staff,office staff,sales staff, and so on  ;D

Dnarever wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 10:22am:

cods wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 9:00am: wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 7:23am: Better question- What is an EXCEPTED profit margin? a good point.. to do that though we would also have to take into account.. what is an excepted wage. what is an accepted rent to charge. what is an accepted  level of TAX local. state govt and Fed govt... they all have a bite of this cherry.[ and not just when it arrives here] what is an accepted level of import duty a person orders overseas... it get put in a mail bag it arrives at a destination here .where it is then delivered to the person. for H.N. to sell a toaster.. it has to be transported by shipping container.to a destination. it then gets TRANSPORTED to a WAREHOUSE where it is unpacked.. it is then REORDERED and TRANSPORTED to HN outlets.. the point I am making here.. is that each of the highlighted stops... all those costs more or less are involved and they all get passed down the line.. to  guess WHO! we do have high wages in this country we do have high holidays and public holidays amongst also the best in the world I believe.. I am not knocking what anyone does with their own money I do think its shameful our treasurer has a shot at GH.very publicaly..was that to get in his moot point about it being to expensive to protect our retail market.... maybe he should take a turn at being immigration ministers where he could keep an eye on the cost of protecting our borders If you or I buy something overseas it is transported to Australia and goes into a warehouse and is also unpacked and recorded then sorted and transported to its destination, all paid for by the customer. Same peocess mostly half the price without the bulk rate discounts etc. i.e. Harvey pays less than half the transport cost that you or I cough up.

I will find out about that dna I know someone who works with IPEC.. but I would think it would run on the same lines as the postoffice its addressed to you personally.. why would it end up in a warehouse.

Here is a sample I have been looking at recently – I sourced the product from Australia in the end (paid more for less).

A choice of drum kits.

Kit 1 from a US bricks and mortar music shop – the product between $900 and $1,100 Plus transport – this is about 70K best price I found was about $280. This will also attract Import duty and GST 5% and 10% respective or about $180.

Total cost aprox $1,500 same product in Australia between $2,400 and $2,600.

Product no 2 – very nice kit selling US $1,700 – in Australia all expenses properly paid for about $2,200

Australian price is between $3,200 and $4,000.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 10:31am:

Here is a sample I have been looking at recently – I sourced the product from Australia in the end (paid more for less). A choice of drum kits. Kit 1 from a US bricks and mortar music shop – the product between $900 and $1,100 Plus transport – this is about 70K best price I found was about $280. This will also attract Import duty and GST 5% and 10% respective or about $180. Total cost aprox $1,500 same product in Australia between $2,400 and $2,600. Product no 2 – very nice kit selling US $1,700 – in Australia all expenses properly paid for about $2,200 Australian price is between $3,200 and $4,000.

American wages lower , no holiday loading,nowere near the holidays, and on and on and on >:(

FRED. wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 10:37am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 10:31am: Here is a sample I have been looking at recently – I sourced the product from Australia in the end (paid more for less). A choice of drum kits. Kit 1 from a US bricks and mortar music shop – the product between $900 and $1,100 Plus transport – this is about 70K best price I found was about $280. This will also attract Import duty and GST 5% and 10% respective or about $180. Total cost aprox $1,500 same product in Australia between $2,400 and $2,600. Product no 2 – very nice kit selling US $1,700 – in Australia all expenses properly paid for about $2,200 Australian price is between $3,200 and $4,000. American wages lower , no holiday loading,nowere near the holidays, and on and on and on >:(

;D I BUY FISHING GEAR FROM THE STATES ROUGHLY 1/2 THE PRICE  ;)

cods wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 10:27am:

I will find out about that dna I know someone who works with IPEC.. but I would think it would run on the same lines as the postoffice its addressed to you personally.. why would it end up in a warehouse.

Do you think Customs take it from the ship and put it onto a dilivery truck going to your suburb?

They will bring it in on a bulk load it will be unpacked and sorted in some location where records will be kept and it will then be grouped according to the region it is being delivered to and sent on to a secondary dispatch centre in that region where it will be unpacked and sorted for local delivery. these days it is all itemised for the higher profile companies you can track the location and progress. Even at the sending end it will be dispatched the same way.

FRED. wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 10:37am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 10:31am: Here is a sample I have been looking at recently – I sourced the product from Australia in the end (paid more for less). A choice of drum kits. Kit 1 from a US bricks and mortar music shop – the product between $900 and $1,100 Plus transport – this is about 70K best price I found was about $280. This will also attract Import duty and GST 5% and 10% respective or about $180. Total cost aprox $1,500 same product in Australia between $2,400 and $2,600. Product no 2 – very nice kit selling US $1,700 – in Australia all expenses properly paid for about $2,200 Australian price is between $3,200 and $4,000. American wages lower , no holiday loading,nowere near the holidays, and on and on and on

You could pay a poo load of holiday loading with a $1,000 markup per item sold, you could probably employ several thousand people.

So what? Wayne Swan just re-enforced what we already knew: that Jerry Harvey is our favourite whiney retail bitch and all round media slut.

I'm sure ol' Jerry is extremely thankful for the free publicity.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 10:45am:

FRED. wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 10:37am: Dnarever wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 10:31am: Here is a sample I have been looking at recently – I sourced the product from Australia in the end (paid more for less). A choice of drum kits. Kit 1 from a US bricks and mortar music shop – the product between $900 and $1,100 Plus transport – this is about 70K best price I found was about $280. This will also attract Import duty and GST 5% and 10% respective or about $180. Total cost aprox $1,500 same product in Australia between $2,400 and $2,600. Product no 2 – very nice kit selling US $1,700 – in Australia all expenses properly paid for about $2,200 Australian price is between $3,200 and $4,000. American wages lower , no holiday loading,nowere near the holidays, and on and on and on You could pay a poo load of holiday loading with a $1,000 markup per item sold, you could probably employ several thousand people.

FFS  ;D ;D

cods wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 10:04am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 9:54am: cods wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 9:02am: perceptions_now wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 8:39am: blackadder wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 8:35am: It has found that the same pair of Nike running shoes costs $240 at a major Australian sports retailer while consumers can buy the same shoes for $134 from an online store based in the US.   Sad It's called volume Crook something that Choice knows nothing about. 300,000,000  V 21,000,000 Choice magazine is only good for emergency toilet paper. Blackadder, Are you having problems with the "quote buttons", as a few others have had or is it that you just don't like using that method? I cant work out how to use it percy.... I know you are not surprised... I would also like to inquire why the getup thread is safe on the front page of PS> Cods, Please explain? You just used the "quote button", so what is it that you don't know how to use? this is embarrasing perc... I mean when they get all these little quotes from different posts to answer all at the same time..in little boxes... but then I am lucky to switch on and off on this thing.. take no notice of me perce when it comes to the computer I am thick..nayyy more than thick. goes with age I think

Don't worry about it Cods, we're all in the same boat!

Getting older, that is!

blackadder wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 7:07am:

Comment Peter of Subiaco Posted at 9:45 AM December 23, 2011     When will Gerry get the hint that it's not GST that consumers are trying to dodge by purchasing off-shore? 10% is nothing. If the government did apply GST to purchases <$1000, even after paying $60 shipping + GST I would still be $300 better off on a entry level DSLR camera if I bought it from an off-shore retailer than if I bought it off Gerry (either online or offline). His point about GST being the issue is completely moot. The issue is his 400% markup and greed that he has been getting away with for years and years. Consumers are waking up now and smelling the fresh air. Hey, add 10% GST to my $550 overseas digital camera, I don't care. Harvey normal still want $999 for the same model! Like you Crook, Peter of Subiaco has no bloody idea either. 400% mark up?????? What a wank.

It's a typo d.ckhead. He obviously means $400 markup not %400 but of course the underlying message of ripping off the punters gets lost on a liberal stooge !!

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 10:49am:

cods wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 10:04am: perceptions_now wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 9:54am: cods wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 9:02am: perceptions_now wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 8:39am: blackadder wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 8:35am: It has found that the same pair of Nike running shoes costs $240 at a major Australian sports retailer while consumers can buy the same shoes for $134 from an online store based in the US.   Sad It's called volume Crook something that Choice knows nothing about. 300,000,000  V 21,000,000 Choice magazine is only good for emergency toilet paper. Blackadder, Are you having problems with the "quote buttons", as a few others have had or is it that you just don't like using that method? I cant work out how to use it percy.... I know you are not surprised... I would also like to inquire why the getup thread is safe on the front page of PS> Cods, Please explain? You just used the "quote button", so what is it that you don't know how to use? this is embarrasing perc... I mean when they get all these little quotes from different posts to answer all at the same time..in little boxes... but then I am lucky to switch on and off on this thing.. take no notice of me perce when it comes to the computer I am thick..nayyy more than thick. goes with age I think Don't worry about it Cods, we're all in the same boat! Getting older, that is!

While we're on about the oldies and technology perce, why the heck do those lights keep flashing on and off all the time? Something to do with Christmas?  ;)

On the first page in front of all the headings. They did it when freediver first changed us over, then they stopped and now they're at it again.

No I have not been into the cooking sherry  :)

Dnarever wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 10:41am:

cods wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 10:27am: I will find out about that dna I know someone who works with IPEC.. but I would think it would run on the same lines as the postoffice its addressed to you personally.. why would it end up in a warehouse. Do you think Customs take it from the ship and put it onto a dilivery truck going to your suburb? They will bring it in on a bulk load it will be unpacked and sorted in some location where records will be kept and it will then be grouped according to the region it is being delivered to and sent on to a secondary dispatch centre in that region where it will be unpacked and sorted for local delivery. these days it is all itemised for the higher profile companies you can track the location and progress. Even at the sending end it will be dispatched the same way.

dna wouldnt it be address to you though and come by MAIL...why would it come in a container.. and as far as I know most people claim they get it within a day or two no ship would get it here that quick..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I havent heard any complaints about som eones order being held up by a waterfront strike..

airlines and carriers have got to be laughing all the way to the bank

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 12:06pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 10:49am: cods wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 10:04am: perceptions_now wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 9:54am: cods wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 9:02am: perceptions_now wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 8:39am: blackadder wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 8:35am: It has found that the same pair of Nike running shoes costs $240 at a major Australian sports retailer while consumers can buy the same shoes for $134 from an online store based in the US.   Sad It's called volume Crook something that Choice knows nothing about. 300,000,000  V 21,000,000 Choice magazine is only good for emergency toilet paper. Blackadder, Are you having problems with the "quote buttons", as a few others have had or is it that you just don't like using that method? I cant work out how to use it percy.... I know you are not surprised... I would also like to inquire why the getup thread is safe on the front page of PS> Cods, Please explain? You just used the "quote button", so what is it that you don't know how to use? this is embarrasing perc... I mean when they get all these little quotes from different posts to answer all at the same time..in little boxes... but then I am lucky to switch on and off on this thing.. take no notice of me perce when it comes to the computer I am thick..nayyy more than thick. goes with age I think Don't worry about it Cods, we're all in the same boat! Getting older, that is! While we're on about the oldies and technology perce, why the heck do those lights keep flashing on and off all the time? Something to do with Christmas?  ;) On the first page in front of all the headings. They did it when freediver first changed us over, then they stopped and now they're at it again. No I have not been into the cooking sherry  :)

cods wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 12:22pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 12:06pm: perceptions_now wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 10:49am: cods wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 10:04am: perceptions_now wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 9:54am: cods wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 9:02am: perceptions_now wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 8:39am: blackadder wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 8:35am: It has found that the same pair of Nike running shoes costs $240 at a major Australian sports retailer while consumers can buy the same shoes for $134 from an online store based in the US.   Sad It's called volume Crook something that Choice knows nothing about. 300,000,000  V 21,000,000 Choice magazine is only good for emergency toilet paper. Blackadder, Are you having problems with the "quote buttons", as a few others have had or is it that you just don't like using that method? I cant work out how to use it percy.... I know you are not surprised... I would also like to inquire why the getup thread is safe on the front page of PS> Cods, Please explain? You just used the "quote button", so what is it that you don't know how to use? this is embarrasing perc... I mean when they get all these little quotes from different posts to answer all at the same time..in little boxes... but then I am lucky to switch on and off on this thing.. take no notice of me perce when it comes to the computer I am thick..nayyy more than thick. goes with age I think Don't worry about it Cods, we're all in the same boat! Getting older, that is! While we're on about the oldies and technology perce, why the heck do those lights keep flashing on and off all the time? Something to do with Christmas?  ;) On the first page in front of all the headings. They did it when freediver first changed us over, then they stopped and now they're at it again. No I have not been into the cooking sherry  :)

ops... what flashing lights are you talking about willis???.... are you sure you havent been having a wee         sniff of the cork maybe??


i dont have flashing lights..bwahhhhhhhhhh

Life_goes_on wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 10:47am:

So what? Wayne Swan just re-enforced what we already knew: that Jerry Harvey is our favourite whiney retail bitch and all round media slut. I'm sure ol' Jerry is extremely thankful for the free publicity.

Yeh the free publicity of alerting people to online bargains works against him though. What sort of astute businessmen would give a leg-up to his competition :D LOL

wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 7:17am:

blackadder wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 7:07am: Comment Peter of Subiaco Posted at 9:45 AM December 23, 2011     When will Gerry get the hint that it's not GST that consumers are trying to dodge by purchasing off-shore? 10% is nothing. If the government did apply GST to purchases <$1000, even after paying $60 shipping + GST I would still be $300 better off on a entry level DSLR camera if I bought it from an off-shore retailer than if I bought it off Gerry (either online or offline). His point about GST being the issue is completely moot. The issue is his 400% markup and greed that he has been getting away with for years and years. Consumers are waking up now and smelling the fresh air. Hey, add 10% GST to my $550 overseas digital camera, I don't care. Harvey normal still want $999 for the same model! Like you Crook, Peter of Subiaco has no bloody idea either. 400% mark up?????? What a wank. So the camera  wholesales  at x dollars.  Harvey Norman marks it up at 400% where as the online shop marks it up at around 200%, or so. (btw I believe the 400% mark up commenter was being GENEROUS) So, whats your point blackie? I know of clothing stores that mark up over 1000%. What IS a normal 'mark up 'black_adder?

...blackadder obviously enjoys a lot of fishing trips with a bunch of Harvey Norman 'regulars'!!

Lol, they're a disgusting bunch of footy playing bumpatters!  :D :D ;)

cods wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 12:21pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 10:41am: cods wrote on Dec 24th, 2011 at 10:27am: I will find out about that dna I know someone who works with IPEC.. but I would think it would run on the same lines as the postoffice its addressed to you personally.. why would it end up in a warehouse. Do you think Customs take it from the ship and put it onto a dilivery truck going to your suburb? They will bring it in on a bulk load it will be unpacked and sorted in some location where records will be kept and it will then be grouped according to the region it is being delivered to and sent on to a secondary dispatch centre in that region where it will be unpacked and sorted for local delivery. these days it is all itemised for the higher profile companies you can track the location and progress. Even at the sending end it will be dispatched the same way. dna wouldnt it be address to you though and come by MAIL...why would it come in a container.. and as far as I know most people claim they get it within a day or two no ship would get it here that quick..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I havent heard any complaints about som eones order being held up by a waterfront strike.. airlines and carriers have got to be laughing all the way to the bank

Yes you are right most are by air not a container but still grouped - but customs is still involved and it goes into their wharehouse where the items delivered by a particular transport company or Aust post will pick up and move to their own dispatch centre, I doubt anyone picks up from customs and delivers direct to the postal address but it is possible, I would think on a small scale.

I know when I have missed a delivery and not wanted to re schedule I have been able to pick up from the local transpost hub for i.e. TNT etc or the local post office for Aust Post.

If you use the tracking service for something from the US you see the item delivered to the local dispatch centre from there it will go to the regional point and on to the international transport provider - then it will show as in transit till it is marked as arrived at customs then to a dispatch centre and on to the local distribution point waiting delivery.