Where is all this global warming? It's not been hot at all in NSW for the last three weeks, AND IT'S SUMMER!

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 2:44pm:

Where is all this global warming? It's not been hot at all in NSW for the last three weeks, AND IT'S SUMMER!

LOl matty....don't open this door....

Repeat after me "La Nina"

MOTR wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 2:47pm:

Repeat after me "La Nina"

Oh I'm not even going to start....

Stupid is stupid

;D

Introduction of a carbon dioxide tax to prevent (imaginary) warming, euphemistically disguised as an emissions trading scheme, is a politician's, ticket clipper's and mafia chief's dream. All will welcome a new source of income based on an invisible, colourless, odourless, tasteless and often unmeasurable gas. No commodity changes hands during its trading, and should carbon dioxide emissions actually decrease because of the existence of a carbon dioxide market (which is highly unlikely), the odds are that it will have no measurable effect on climate anyway. Nonetheless, the glistening pot of gold which beckons to be mined from the innocent public is proving nigh irresistible, and it is going to need a strong taxpayer revolt to stop it in Australia.

The present global financial crisis should be inducing politicians not to squander money on non-solutions to non-problems. Yet to support their plans for emissions taxation Western governments, including ours, are still propagating scientifically juvenile greenhouse propaganda underpinned only by circumstantial evidence and GCM computer gamesmanship.

Perhaps a reassessment will finally occur when two-metre thick ice develops again on Father Thames at London Bridge, or when cooling causes massive crop failure in the world's granary belts.

Bob Carter is an adjunct professor of geology at James Cook University.





I think that this says it all!!!!

This is what happens when you look at the global warming signal minus the noise of well known natural drivers.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/FR11_Fig5.jpg

Foster and Rahmstorf (2011)

Most recently, Italian scientist Adriano Mazzarella demonstrated statistical links between solar magnetic activity, the length of the Earth day (LOD), and northern hemisphere wind and ocean temperature patterns. He too confirmed the existence of a 60-year climate cycle, and described various correlations (some negative). Based on these correlations, Mazzarella concludes that provided "the observed past correlation between LOD and sea-surface temperature continues in the future, the identified 60-year cycle provides a possible decline in sea-surface temperature starting from 2005, and the recent data seem to support such a result".

Thus, using several fundamentally different mathematical techniques and many different data sets, seven scientists all forecast that climatic cooling will occur during the first decades of the 21st century. Temperature records confirm that cooling is under way, the length and intensity of which remains unknown.

Yet in spite of this, governments across the world - egged on by irrational, deep Green lobbying - have for years been using their financial muscle and other powers of persuasion to introduce carbon dioxide taxation systems. For example, the federal Labor government recently spent $13.9million on climate change advertising on prime time television and in national newspapers and magazines.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 2:52pm:

Stupid is stupid ;D

Yes, you are...

There is no “climate emergency”; the term is a deliberate lie. Global average temperature at the end of the 20th century fell well within the bounds of natural climate variation, and was in no way unusually warm, or cold, in geological terms.

Earth’s temperature is currently cooling slightly.


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beware wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:23pm:

There is no “climate emergency”; the term is a deliberate lie. Global average temperature at the end of the 20th century fell well within the bounds of natural climate variation, and was in no way unusually warm, or cold, in geological terms. Earth’s temperature is currently cooling slightly. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah, I consider it something like the 'Cholesterol' thing...the 'health gurus' told everyone to stop eating 'fat' to avoid cholesterol....THEN they discovered that people were getting rickets...because they cut out fat all together...so, suddenly, 'Omega 3' fats appearred...'good' fats instead of 'bad' fats.....rather than just admit that we need everything, in moderation......

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/

I will take my advice from NASA thanks!!!

::)

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:32pm:

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/ I will take my advice from NASA thanks!!! ::)

No worries...and welcome...

I'll take MY advice from logic

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:37pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 3:32pm: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/ I will take my advice from NASA thanks!!! ::) No worries...and welcome... I'll take MY advice from logic

Logic that comes out your bottom.

Anyway, merry christmas to all.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 3:37pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 3:32pm: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/ I will take my advice from NASA thanks!!! ::) No worries...and welcome... I'll take MY advice from logic Logic that comes out your bottom. Anyway, merry christmas to all.

LOL better than logic that comes out of an anti-industrial playbook...

Merry Christmas...

beware wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:05pm:

Most recently, Italian scientist Adriano Mazzarella demonstrated statistical links between solar magnetic activity, the length of the Earth day (LOD), and northern hemisphere wind and ocean temperature patterns. He too confirmed the existence of a 60-year climate cycle, and described various correlations (some negative). Based on these correlations, Mazzarella concludes that provided "the observed past correlation between LOD and sea-surface temperature continues in the future, the identified 60-year cycle provides a possible decline in sea-surface temperature starting from 2005, and the recent data seem to support such a result". Thus, using several fundamentally different mathematical techniques and many different data sets, seven scientists all forecast that climatic cooling will occur during the first decades of the 21st century. Temperature records confirm that cooling is under way, the length and intensity of which remains unknown. Yet in spite of this, governments across the world - egged on by irrational, deep Green lobbying - have for years been using their financial muscle and other powers of persuasion to introduce carbon dioxide taxation systems. For example, the federal Labor government recently spent $13.9million on climate change advertising on prime time television and in national newspapers and magazines.

Is this the type of model you are talking about?

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/LSvsMobergvsLoehleAll.png

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 2:44pm:

Where is all this global warming? It's not been hot at all in NSW for the last three weeks, AND IT'S SUMMER!

Repear after me:

Local Temperature is not, repeat NOT, Global Climate.

:D

MOTR wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:52pm:

beware wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 3:05pm: Most recently, Italian scientist Adriano Mazzarella demonstrated statistical links between solar magnetic activity, the length of the Earth day (LOD), and northern hemisphere wind and ocean temperature patterns. He too confirmed the existence of a 60-year climate cycle, and described various correlations (some negative). Based on these correlations, Mazzarella concludes that provided "the observed past correlation between LOD and sea-surface temperature continues in the future, the identified 60-year cycle provides a possible decline in sea-surface temperature starting from 2005, and the recent data seem to support such a result". Thus, using several fundamentally different mathematical techniques and many different data sets, seven scientists all forecast that climatic cooling will occur during the first decades of the 21st century. Temperature records confirm that cooling is under way, the length and intensity of which remains unknown. Yet in spite of this, governments across the world - egged on by irrational, deep Green lobbying - have for years been using their financial muscle and other powers of persuasion to introduce carbon dioxide taxation systems. For example, the federal Labor government recently spent $13.9million on climate change advertising on prime time television and in national newspapers and magazines. Is this the type of model you are talking about? http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/LSvsMobergvsLoehleAll.png

And you don't see a problem with that???

The 'red' line is travelling up, but the blue and black lines arent.....

Lobo wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:57pm:

matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 2:44pm: Where is all this global warming? It's not been hot at all in NSW for the last three weeks, AND IT'S SUMMER! Repear after me: Local Temperature is not, repeat NOT, Global Climate. :D

Sorry froggie....but temperature IS a part of global climate...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 2:46pm:

matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 2:44pm: Where is all this global warming? It's not been hot at all in NSW for the last three weeks, AND IT'S SUMMER! LOl matty....don't open this door....

Poor matty is one of those unfortunate people that need to have everything repeated before the message sinks in.

::)

Lobo wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:57pm:

matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 2:44pm: Where is all this global warming? It's not been hot at all in NSW for the last three weeks, AND IT'S SUMMER! Repear after me: Local Temperature is not, repeat NOT, Global Climate. :D

Temperature has everything to do with climate. Why is it cold in NSW summer? And everywhere else apparently. Darwin, Broome and Cairns are the only hot places, and that is because they ALWAYS are.

When is it going to actually be summer in NSW?

I totally agree with beware and gizmo.

NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth's atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted, reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The study indicates far less future global warming will occur than United Nations computer models have predicted, and supports prior studies indicating increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have claimed.

Study co-author Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA's Aqua satellite, reports that real-world data from NASA's Terra satellite contradict multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models.


"The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show," Spencer said in a July 26 University of Alabama press release. "There is a huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans."

In addition to finding that far less heat is being trapped than alarmist computer models have predicted, the NASA satellite data show the atmosphere begins shedding heat into space long before United Nations computer models predicted.

The new findings are extremely important and should dramatically alter the global warming debate.

http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html

When objective NASA satellite data, reported in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, show a "huge discrepancy" between alarmist climate models and real-world facts, climate scientists, the media and our elected officials would be wise to take notice. Whether or not they do so will tell us a great deal about how honest the purveyors of global warming alarmism truly are.

James M. Taylor is senior fellow for environment policy at The Heartland Institute and managing editor of Environment & Climate News.

Again for you idiots!!!

NASA


What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate?

The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n/climate/climate_weather.html

It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them.
Pierre Beaumarchais (1732 - 1799)

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 3:57pm:

MOTR wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 3:52pm: beware wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 3:05pm: Most recently, Italian scientist Adriano Mazzarella demonstrated statistical links between solar magnetic activity, the length of the Earth day (LOD), and northern hemisphere wind and ocean temperature patterns. He too confirmed the existence of a 60-year climate cycle, and described various correlations (some negative). Based on these correlations, Mazzarella concludes that provided "the observed past correlation between LOD and sea-surface temperature continues in the future, the identified 60-year cycle provides a possible decline in sea-surface temperature starting from 2005, and the recent data seem to support such a result". Thus, using several fundamentally different mathematical techniques and many different data sets, seven scientists all forecast that climatic cooling will occur during the first decades of the 21st century. Temperature records confirm that cooling is underway, the length and intensity of which remains unknown. Yet in spite of this, governments across the world - egged on by irrational, deep Green lobbying - have for years been using their financial muscle and other powers of persuasion to introduce carbon dioxide taxation systems. For example, the federal Labor government recently spent $13.9million on climate change advertising on prime time television and in national newspapers and magazines. Is this the type of model you are talking about? http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/LSvsMobergvsLoehleAll.png And you don't see a problem with that??? The 'red' line is travelling up, but the blue and black lines arent.....

Exactly, these types of models are little more than data fitting exercise using an over simplistic model. As you can see these types of models do not survive the hindcasting test.

No one's answered either of my two questions:

1. Why is it cold in NSW summer?
2. When will it actually be summer weather in NSW?

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 2:44pm:

Where is all this global warming? It's not been hot at all in NSW for the last three weeks, AND IT'S SUMMER!

Turn your airconditioning off Matty, open the door and go outside. :)
Just a thought..............

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 4:22pm:

No one's answered either of my two questions: 1. Why is it cold in NSW summer? 2. When will it actually be summer weather in NSW?

1. Do you really want an explanation of how the El Niño-Southern Oscillation affects our weather.

2. Summer will be cooler this year. I'm not really sure how long these La Nina conditions will last. Typically they last for 9 to 12 months and some times for as long as 2 years.

matty,

maybe it all moved up to the Pilbara:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-22/pilbara-sizzles-through-record-heat/3744692?section=wa

With any luck they'll be an El Nino running up to the next election.  ;)

MOTR wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 4:51pm:

matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 4:22pm: No one's answered either of my two questions: 1. Why is it cold in NSW summer? 2. When will it actually be summer weather in NSW? 1. Do you really want an explanation of how the El Niño-Southern Oscillation affects our weather. 2. Summer will be cooler this year. I'm not really sure how long these La Nina conditions will last. Typically they last for 9 to 12 months and some times for as long as 2 years.

Providing you can explain 'how' La Nina, El Nino actually exist...other than as an 'excuse' for why the reality doesn't match the 'concept' of AGW....

This is one of the best descriptions of the process I have read. It really is a good read and it is written for the layman.

http://www.bom.gov.au/social/2011/09/chalk-cheese-cats-and-dogs/

Just keep in mind that the southern oscillation index has risen quite dramatically since this article was written.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 5:01pm:

MOTR wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 4:51pm: matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 4:22pm: No one's answered either of my two questions: 1. Why is it cold in NSW summer? 2. When will it actually be summer weather in NSW? 1. Do you really want an explanation of how the El Niño-Southern Oscillation affects our weather. 2. Summer will be cooler this year. I'm not really sure how long these La Nina conditions will last. Typically they last for 9 to 12 months and some times for as long as 2 years. Providing you can explain 'how' La Nina, El Nino actually exist...other than as an 'excuse' for why the reality doesn't match the 'concept' of AGW....

I think this link explains it pretty well.

If you want to argue against it, you'd need to come up with some pretty good data yourself.

Gist wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 5:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 5:01pm: MOTR wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 4:51pm: matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 4:22pm: No one's answered either of my two questions: 1. Why is it cold in NSW summer? 2. When will it actually be summer weather in NSW? 1. Do you really want an explanation of how the El Niño-Southern Oscillation affects our weather. 2. Summer will be cooler this year. I'm not really sure how long these La Nina conditions will last. Typically they last for 9 to 12 months and some times for as long as 2 years. Providing you can explain 'how' La Nina, El Nino actually exist...other than as an 'excuse' for why the reality doesn't match the 'concept' of AGW.... I think this link explains it pretty well. If you want to argue against it, you'd need to come up with some pretty good data yourself.

Well since the link simply defaults to Google.....I don't feel any reason to 'argue' against it...

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/SkepticsvRealistsv3.gif

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 5:24pm:

Gist wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 5:13pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 5:01pm: MOTR wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 4:51pm: matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 4:22pm: No one's answered either of my two questions: 1. Why is it cold in NSW summer? 2. When will it actually be summer weather in NSW? 1. Do you really want an explanation of how the El Niño-Southern Oscillation affects our weather. 2. Summer will be cooler this year. I'm not really sure how long these La Nina conditions will last. Typically they last for 9 to 12 months and some times for as long as 2 years. Providing you can explain 'how' La Nina, El Nino actually exist...other than as an 'excuse' for why the reality doesn't match the 'concept' of AGW.... I think this link explains it pretty well. If you want to argue against it, you'd need to come up with some pretty good data yourself. Well since the link simply defaults to Google.....I don't feel any reason to 'argue' against it...

You're too impatient. You need to wait a bit.

beware wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 4:04pm:

NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth's atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted, reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The study indicates far less future global warming will occur than United Nations computer models have predicted, and supports prior studies indicating increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have claimed. Study co-author Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA's Aqua satellite, reports that real-world data from NASA's Terra satellite contradict multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models. "The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show," Spencer said in a July 26 University of Alabama press release. "There is a huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans." In addition to finding that far less heat is being trapped than alarmist computer models have predicted, the NASA satellite data show the atmosphere begins shedding heat into space long before United Nations computer models predicted. The new findings are extremely important and should dramatically alter the global warming debate. http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html

Just to bring you up to speed, beware, here is what has happened since that paper was published.

Scientific reaction:
"Errors identified by climate scientists "...range from the trivial (using the wrong units for the radiative flux anomaly), to the serious (treating clouds as the cause of climate change, rather than resulting from day-to-day weather; comparing a 10 year observational period with a 100 year model period and not allowing for the spread in model outputs)."[30]
"Within three days of the publication of Spencer & Braswell 2011, two climate scientists (Kevin Trenberth & John Fasullo) repeated the analysis and showed that the IPCC models are in agreement with the observations, thus refuting Spencer & Braswell’s claims. An independent analysis by Andrew Dessler also confirms the Trenberth & Fasullo result."

Pattern of publication&publicity matches previous such attempts
Michael Ashley noted that this paper was following the same trajectory as previous papers touted as demolishing global warming, that haven't stood up over time:[30]
1. The article is published in a non-mainstream journal, following inadequate peer-review.
2. Press releases from the authors exaggerate/distort the contents of the article to inflate its significance and increase the attention given to it.
3. News of the article spreads like wild-fire around the blogosphere.
4. Some media outlets take the press release and exaggerate it further still, so that the information that finally reaches the public has almost no relation to the original article.
5. Within days, experts in the field show that the original article is fatally flawed; but by now the damage is done.
6. For years into the future, the article is quoted by deniers of human-induced climate change as evidence that the science is uncertain.

beware is probably unaware how he is being used to propagate propaganda, deliciously ironic but at the same time tragic.

beware is probably unaware how he is being used to propagate propaganda, deliciously ironic but at the same time tragic.


Firstly I am a she and I am not propagating anything.

I simply cut and paste some articles from the net.

I personally don't believe in GW. I think it is nothing more than a political stunt.

If it was more than we would need to take dramatic action...... ban cars, move people, shut industries.

We would need to do that immediately.... and I don't see this happening.

I do believe we need to look after the environment but I also believe that we are the superior species and therefore will have the ability to solve most problems we come across.

beware wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 6:51pm:

beware is probably unaware how he is being used to propagate propaganda, deliciously ironic but at the same time tragic. Firstly I am a she and I am not propagating anything. I simply cut and paste some articles from the net. I personally don't believe in GW. I think it is nothing more than a political stunt. If it was more than we would need to take dramatic action...... ban cars, move people, shut industries. We would need to do that immediately.... and I don't see this happening. I do believe we need to look after the environment but I also believe that we are the superior species and therefore will have the ability to solve most problems we come across.

Another thing is, why don't we ever see the ALP and Greens walking and/or riding carriages for transportation? In fact, didn't Stephen Smith just this week request a plane to fly JUST HIMSELF?? How hypocrticial can it get?

matty hi :) Summer is a season that occurs between December and February.

I hope this helps explain to you when summer occurs :)

bye matty!  enjoy your weekend. I wish we still had Christmas :(

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 7:06pm:

matty hi :) Summer is a season that occurs between December and February. I hope this helps explain to you when summer occurs :) bye matty!  enjoy your weekend. I wish we still had Christmas :(

Where is the hot weather?????

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 7:16pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:06pm: matty hi :) Summer is a season that occurs between December and February. I hope this helps explain to you when summer occurs :) bye matty!  enjoy your weekend. I wish we still had Christmas :( Where is the hot weather?????

31 in Melbourne today. Very nice day :)

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 7:16pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:06pm: matty hi :) Summer is a season that occurs between December and February. I hope this helps explain to you when summer occurs :) bye matty!  enjoy your weekend. I wish we still had Christmas :( Where is the hot weather?????

I told you - the b######s in the Pilbara stole it! The Grinch probably put them up to it.

What if it is all a hoax and we have created a better world for nothing

Gist wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 7:36pm:

matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:16pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:06pm: matty hi :) Summer is a season that occurs between December and February. I hope this helps explain to you when summer occurs :) bye matty!  enjoy your weekend. I wish we still had Christmas :( Where is the hot weather????? I told you - the b######s in the Pilbara stole it! The Grinch probably put them up to it.

the muslims in Pilbara stole it, like they stole Christmas.

MOTR wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 2:47pm:

Repeat after me "La Nina"

Always some excuse, eh? lol

beware wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 6:51pm:

beware is probably unaware how he is being used to propagate propaganda, deliciously ironic but at the same time tragic. Firstly I am a she and I am not propagating anything. I simply cut and paste some articles from the net. I personally don't believe in GW. I think it is nothing more than a political stunt. If it was more than we would need to take dramatic action...... ban cars, move people, shut industries. We would need to do that immediately.... and I don't see this happening I do believe we need to look after the environment but I also believe that we are the superior species and therefore will have the ability to solve most problems we come across.

Funny thing is I agree with the majority of this post. I'm pretty sure you are on top of your gender, so I'll give you that one.

There is no doubt you do simply cut and paste articles from the net.

I also agree that if real, policies to combat AGW need to be adopted immediately, and I too don't see that happening. If true, we are exhibiting irrational behaviour. Paradoxically, I also share your faith in human ingenuity and our ability to solve problems. 

Here is where we diverge. If global warming is a political stunt the birds, the glaciers, the flowers and mother nature herself must be in on it, because there are 1000s of natural markers telling us the world is warming. I'm sure some mothers are conniving and Machiavellian, but I've always taken mother nature to be apolitical. 

97% of climate scientists are telling us that the current warming we are experiencing is human induced and that if it continues at it's current rate, bad things will inevitably happen in the not too distant future. 

I believe we must act now and that if we act now the impact on our immediate lives will be minimal, and I mean minimal, with a huge environmental pay off in the future. We are problem solvers and the technologies required to solve this problem already exist. All that is lacking is a market signal and a better informed public.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 8:22pm:

MOTR wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 2:47pm: Repeat after me "La Nina" Always some excuse, eh? lol

What, you're expecting temperatures to increase monotonically.

MOTR wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 8:31pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 8:22pm: MOTR wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 2:47pm: Repeat after me "La Nina" Always some excuse, eh? lol What, you're expecting temperatures to increase monotonically.

If global warming is really happening, I expect that temperatures will reach a peak and then drop like an anvil taking us into the next ice age.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 7:18pm:

matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:16pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:06pm: matty hi :) Summer is a season that occurs between December and February. I hope this helps explain to you when summer occurs :) bye matty!  enjoy your weekend. I wish we still had Christmas :( Where is the hot weather????? 31 in Melbourne today. Very nice day :)

In the 30s pretty much every day of the year in Darwin. Notice that I was talking about NSW though? Not VIC or NT.

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 9:15pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:18pm: matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:16pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:06pm: matty hi :) Summer is a season that occurs between December and February. I hope this helps explain to you when summer occurs :) bye matty!  enjoy your weekend. I wish we still had Christmas :( Where is the hot weather????? 31 in Melbourne today. Very nice day :) In the 30s pretty much every day of the year in Darwin. Notice that I was talking about NSW though? Not VIC or NT.

36, 36,30,31,32,32 over the next 6 days in Griffith :)

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 9:18pm:

matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 9:15pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:18pm: matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:16pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:06pm: matty hi :) Summer is a season that occurs between December and February. I hope this helps explain to you when summer occurs :) bye matty!  enjoy your weekend. I wish we still had Christmas :( Where is the hot weather????? 31 in Melbourne today. Very nice day :) In the 30s pretty much every day of the year in Darwin. Notice that I was talking about NSW though? Not VIC or NT. 36, 36,30,31,32,32 over the next 6 days in Griffith :)

What about Mosman? What about Castle Hill?

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 9:28pm:

What about Mosman? What about Castle Hill?

yes matty. It's called weather patterns. But I understand you haven't quite reached that in your studies yet.  Come back in a year :)

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 9:31pm:

matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 9:28pm: What about Mosman? What about Castle Hill? yes matty. It's called weather patterns. But I understand you haven't quite reached that in your studies yet.  Come back in a year :)

What patterns? This is summer, it should be hot, especially seeing that we have "global warming"  ::).

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 9:52pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 9:31pm: matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 9:28pm: What about Mosman? What about Castle Hill? yes matty. It's called weather patterns. But I understand you haven't quite reached that in your studies yet.  Come back in a year :) What patterns? This is summer, it should be hot, especially seeing that we have "global warming"  ::).

It is hot. We have 31 degrees in Melbourne today.

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 7:16pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 7:06pm: matty hi :) Summer is a season that occurs between December and February. I hope this helps explain to you when summer occurs :) bye matty!  enjoy your weekend. I wish we still had Christmas :( Where is the hot weather?????

Why is this thread still going?


This graph is the end of the argument.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/SkepticsvRealistsv3.gif

Now that your pretty graph has proven Global Warming Theory I might use the CO2 fire extinquisher to heat up the barbie tomorrow....save a few trees in the process huh.... ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 8:22pm:

MOTR wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 2:47pm: Repeat after me "La Nina" Always some excuse, eh? lol

Seriously?

Where is the global warming in NSW???

I think it hit my room this morning.

All of which is great?

But, perhaps not rely relevant to Politics!

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 4:22pm:

No one's answered either of my two questions: 1. Why is it cold in NSW summer? 2. When will it actually be summer weather in NSW?

How about I try this one, just for you Matty?

And the answer is -
When it starts to get warmer!

Dnarever wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 8:20am:

Where is the global warming in NSW??? I think it hit my room this morning.

A case of flatulance after a big night huh.... ;D

matty wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 2:44pm:

Where is all this global warming? It's not been hot at all in NSW for the last three weeks, AND IT'S SUMMER!

In the last 3 weeks? in NSW? Mate, you need to look at Global mean temperatures over about a 10-15 year running average to see any pattern whatsoever.  You won't see anything significant looking at local temperatures over  a 3 week period. It was quite warm in Adelaide yesterday too for that matter, but that's about as relevant as anything else you've said.

Another poster wrote:

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I personally don't believe in GW. I think it is nothing more than a political stunt.

I know what you mean. Myself, I don't believe in gravity. It's just a myth perpetrated by cosmetics companies to sell anti-ageing creams to women.  They actually look as young as they always did.

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 8:27am:

matty wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 4:22pm: No one's answered either of my two questions: 1. Why is it cold in NSW summer? 2. When will it actually be summer weather in NSW? How about I try this one, just for you Matty? And the answer is - When it starts to get warmer!

Such insight suggests knowledge. Hey Matty we will ask you again in Jan/Feb when Sydney is getting it's run of 40's with no break and the dry it murder. Nice and warm all week here in Young. Out look is to get hotter. OH yea can you explain to me where the connection between ambiant temperature and global warming are. I understood that one of the most damaging parts of global warming is the increase in ocean temperatures that will cause more powerful weather events and make it impossible for many species to survive. And isn't it the migratory and habitat change on the land that will cause major issues. Probably you should ask why are the winters so mild.