It's all too easy for Abbott these days.
As our friends on the right of centre tell us, all he has to do is continue to run his totally negetive policy free campaign and she seems to do the work for him.
Barring a stellar year, which frankly is wishful thinking, from Labor and particually Gillard I'm starting to think he actually will still be leader of the opposition come 2013 and fall into the lodge.

This is not to say I believe she has got a fair go at the job, far from it, the political climate fueled by the media has been the most poisonous I can remember(being just 5 at the time of Whitlam).
Whether it's how she came into the job, or the false but successful story of a litany of failed policies, perhaps even the gender argument.
But whatever it is the fact remains at this point in time it's looking extremely likely that Prime Minister Abbott will be a reality.

So does she need to call a spill, suck the oxygen out of that story at least from the scribes?
Who would challenge, anyone else you think should toss their hat in besides Rudd?
Personally to my mind Rudd is just going back to the future and would just give Tony another head to kick with the same old lines.
Combet comes to my mind but he is far to green at present.

Perhaps it's best that Tony gets in to give the up and comers within Labor time to fully find their feet.
I mean how bad could 3 years get :-?

No. It doesn't matter even if she does go, Labor have absolutely no hope in hell of winning an election for years to come. Australians don't like being lied to, and being constantly belittled and ignored by their national leaders. It has been proven time and time again that the vast majority of Australians do not want a carbon tax, yet EVERY SINGLE Labor member voted for it in the House of Representatives and the Senate, in effect treating Australians, and our long history and tradition of democracy with the utmost of contempt and ridicule. People will not forget this, so the Labor party could put in anyone, and they'll still be annihilated at the next election.

Bringing in the gender argument? I guess when all else fails...

The problem with the pair of them and most modern politicians is that the game is everything, We dont get leaders with a vision, or with the cojones to take radical decisions. Good people like Tanner are driven out by the careerists. Doug Cameron in the lower house would be a breath of fresh air.

The difference is that Julia Gillard is looking long term and Abbott is looking short term.....Australia needs a leader who will take advantage of our dominant position provided by strong investment and a sound economy.....Australia needs to take advantage of the situation offered by the rest of the world being complete basket cases and Asia being the driving force during the next decade.....Abbott will not take advantage of this opportunity and shut down our economy for domestic short term political gain.....We need leader with vision like Julia Gillard who will engage Asia and spend the revenue necessary to drive growth while Australia is the preferred supplier and has the ability to deliver......We do not need constraint and less spending we need growth and spending to boost our terms of trade and drive growth into the next decades while we have such an economic advantage....We need more not less!!!

8-)

I tend to agree, dsmithy. In the end, people would vote Abbott in not because they want Abbott, but because they want to get rid of Gillard.  This is unequivocally proven by his miserable personal approval standings.  Keeping that in mind, most of his most draconian nonsense legislation will never pass the senate with the greens holding the balance, and even if a Double Dissolution is called who knows if he'll actually have support considering the only reason he gets into the Lodge is to be rid of Gillard.  People would actually have to agree with his policies for a Double Dissolution to go his way.   And considering the majority of it is still stuttering out of his mouth, who knows what kind of term he would have as PM.

Perhaps it's best that Tony gets in to give the up and comers within Labor time to fully find their feet.
I mean how bad could 3 years get


well as you have as good admitted it cant get any worse than what we have had..

like t or not China has kept us afloat in exactly he same way. as you keep telling us it kept Howard afloat...

it was nothing to do with Howard and Costello... and its the same now.... only big difference is the debt and no surplus..

I am not picking holes now just saying it like it is..mmm forgot the waste..

in fact its a little better we forget no war in Iraq.

but press on..

personally I dont think people have taken to gillard...not sure what they expected to be honest...

but I think everything she did from the time she gave Rudd her promise not to move on him!!!!and then the Lie...which she claimed wasnt a lie..

and who will forget the REAL JULIA..oh gawd.it all became artificial somehow.

well all I know is it was a huge turn off..for me.

I would never have voted for her.. but I think I would have given her a fair go...most of my rants have been at what i call extreme biased lefties on here..one has to get their own back after all.

the nasty first about Nelson the sneering and the Turnbull who will forget utegate..and then Abbott its all been extreme when they are not the govt...

so in turn we hit back at every little thing this lot did... and boy didnt they do a lot to hit back at..

it was gobsmacking.. and I think its a shame you guys at least one of you didnt own up to that..

here we have the govt coming to the party... will they say they made a mistake. ummmmmmmmmmmmm
perhaps not but even you would have to admit a bit of humble pie is being eaten..

now I am not saying Nauru will be the B.all and end all..its a whole new ballgame... but it couldnt be worse than whats happening right now..

and the thought of Malaysia would have done us so much harm abroad...I just shudder..thinking what we would send 800 souls into.... and for what to prove a point I am thinking... not because its right.

its a funny thing I dont feel smug about all this at all..and I would be surprised if Abbott does.or shall I say disappointed if he does..

I think we have to feel good about stopping them dying like this..

did you read where they now say members of the Indonesian Police and Army were also part of this..talk about sick.. there would be no way of stopping this..and weve just given that lot 3 war planes.. we must have rocks in our head..

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:37pm:

The difference is that Julia Gillard is looking long term and Abbott is looking short term.....Australia needs a leader who will take advantage of our dominant position provided by strong investment and a sound economy.....Australia needs to take advantage of the situation offered by the rest of the world being complete basket cases and Asia being the driving force during the next decade.....Abbott will not take advantage of this opportunity and shut down our economy for domestic short term political gain.....We need leader with vision like Julia Gillard who will engage Asia and spend the revenue necessary to drive growth while Australia is the preferred supplier and has the ability to deliver......We do not need constraint and less spending we need growth and spending to boost our terms of trade and drive growth into the next decades while we have such an economic advantage....We need more not less!!! 8-)

Why do you think that she lied about the carbon tax?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:39pm:

I tend to agree, dsmithy. In the end, people would vote Abbott in not because they want Abbott, but because they want to get rid of Gillard.  This is unequivocally proven by his miserable personal approval standings.  Keeping that in mind, most of his most draconian nonsense legislation will never pass the senate with the greens holding the balance, and even if a Double Dissolution is called who knows if he'll actually have support considering the only reason he gets into the Lodge is to be rid of Gillard.  People would actually have to agree with his policies for a Double Dissolution to go his way.   And considering the majority of it is still stuttering out of his mouth, who knows what kind of term he would have as PM.

Why would he release policy now, when the ALP could (and probably would) steal it?

matty wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:48pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:39pm: I tend to agree, dsmithy. In the end, people would vote Abbott in not because they want Abbott, but because they want to get rid of Gillard.  This is unequivocally proven by his miserable personal approval standings.  Keeping that in mind, most of his most draconian nonsense legislation will never pass the senate with the greens holding the balance, and even if a Double Dissolution is called who knows if he'll actually have support considering the only reason he gets into the Lodge is to be rid of Gillard.  People would actually have to agree with his policies for a Double Dissolution to go his way.   And considering the majority of it is still stuttering out of his mouth, who knows what kind of term he would have as PM. Why would he release policy now, when the ALP could (and probably would) steal it?

they'd first have to decrypt it from all the ehs and ahs, and then re-write it from the toilet paper into something legible. ;D

Remember that quote i gave you that you said you understood? That's why.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:37pm:

The difference is that Julia Gillard is looking long term and Abbott is looking short term.....Australia needs a leader who will take advantage of our dominant position provided by strong investment and a sound economy.....Australia needs to take advantage of the situation offered by the rest of the world being complete basket cases and Asia being the driving force during the next decade.....Abbott will not take advantage of this opportunity and shut down our economy for domestic short term political gain.....We need leader with vision like Julia Gillard who will engage Asia and spend the revenue necessary to drive growth while Australia is the preferred supplier and has the ability to deliver......We do not need constraint and less spending we need growth and spending to boost our terms of trade and drive growth into the next decades while we have such an economic advantage....We need more not less!!! 8-)

perhaps you guys should throw your hat in the ring when she steps down.. you seem to have all the answers..and everyone knows you couldnt do any worse..

maybe gillard should become a member of ozpol... she could learn a thing or two from you guys.

cods wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:46pm:

Perhaps it's best that Tony gets in to give the up and comers within Labor time to fully find their feet. I mean how bad could 3 years get well as you have as good admitted it cant get any worse than what we have had.. like t or not China has kept us afloat in exactly he same way. as you keep telling us it kept Howard afloat... it was nothing to do with Howard and Costello... and its the same now.... only big difference is the debt and no surplus.. I am not picking holes now just saying it like it is..mmm forgot the waste.. in fact its a little better we forget no war in Iraq. but press on.. personally I dont think people have taken to gillard...not sure what they expected to be honest... but I think everything she did from the time she gave Rudd her promise not to move on him!!!!and then the Lie...which she claimed wasnt a lie.. and who will forget the REAL JULIA..oh gawd.it all became artificial somehow. well all I know is it was a huge turn off..for me. I would never have voted for her.. but I think I would have given her a fair go...most of my rants have been at what i call extreme biased lefties on here..one has to get their own back after all. the nasty first about Nelson the sneering and the Turnbull who will forget utegate..and then Abbott its all been extreme when they are not the govt... so in turn we hit back at every little thing this lot did... and boy didnt they do a lot to hit back at.. it was gobsmacking.. and I think its a shame you guys at least one of you didnt own up to that.. here we have the govt coming to the party... will they say they made a mistake. ummmmmmmmmmmmm perhaps not but even you would have to admit a bit of humble pie is being eaten.. now I am not saying Nauru will be the B.all and end all..its a whole new ballgame... but it couldnt be worse than whats happening right now.. and the thought of Malaysia would have done us so much harm abroad...I just shudder..thinking what we would send 800 souls into.... and for what to prove a point I am thinking... not because its right. its a funny thing I dont feel smug about all this at all..and I would be surprised if Abbott does.or shall I say disappointed if he does.. I think we have to feel good about stopping them dying like this.. did you read where they now say members of the Indonesian Police and Army were also part of this..talk about sick.. there would be no way of stopping this..and weve just given that lot 3 war planes.. we must have rocks in our head..

Do you feel better now that's off your chest? ;D

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:49pm:

matty wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:48pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:39pm: I tend to agree, dsmithy. In the end, people would vote Abbott in not because they want Abbott, but because they want to get rid of Gillard.  This is unequivocally proven by his miserable personal approval standings.  Keeping that in mind, most of his most draconian nonsense legislation will never pass the senate with the greens holding the balance, and even if a Double Dissolution is called who knows if he'll actually have support considering the only reason he gets into the Lodge is to be rid of Gillard.  People would actually have to agree with his policies for a Double Dissolution to go his way.   And considering the majority of it is still stuttering out of his mouth, who knows what kind of term he would have as PM. Why would he release policy now, when the ALP could (and probably would) steal it? they'd first have to decrypt it from all the ehs and ahs, and then re-write it from the toilet paper into something legible. ;D Remember that quote i gave you that you said you understood? That's why.

he would probably take over gillard  acting and voice trainers... all from NIDA I believe..


as they say whats sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:52pm:

cods wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:46pm: Perhaps it's best that Tony gets in to give the up and comers within Labor time to fully find their feet. I mean how bad could 3 years get well as you have as good admitted it cant get any worse than what we have had.. like t or not China has kept us afloat in exactly he same way. as you keep telling us it kept Howard afloat... it was nothing to do with Howard and Costello... and its the same now.... only big difference is the debt and no surplus.. I am not picking holes now just saying it like it is..mmm forgot the waste.. in fact its a little better we forget no war in Iraq. but press on.. personally I dont think people have taken to gillard...not sure what they expected to be honest... but I think everything she did from the time she gave Rudd her promise not to move on him!!!!and then the Lie...which she claimed wasnt a lie.. and who will forget the REAL JULIA..oh gawd.it all became artificial somehow. well all I know is it was a huge turn off..for me. I would never have voted for her.. but I think I would have given her a fair go...most of my rants have been at what i call extreme biased lefties on here..one has to get their own back after all. the nasty first about Nelson the sneering and the Turnbull who will forget utegate..and then Abbott its all been extreme when they are not the govt... so in turn we hit back at every little thing this lot did... and boy didnt they do a lot to hit back at.. it was gobsmacking.. and I think its a shame you guys at least one of you didnt own up to that.. here we have the govt coming to the party... will they say they made a mistake. ummmmmmmmmmmmm perhaps not but even you would have to admit a bit of humble pie is being eaten.. now I am not saying Nauru will be the B.all and end all..its a whole new ballgame... but it couldnt be worse than whats happening right now.. and the thought of Malaysia would have done us so much harm abroad...I just shudder..thinking what we would send 800 souls into.... and for what to prove a point I am thinking... not because its right. its a funny thing I dont feel smug about all this at all..and I would be surprised if Abbott does.or shall I say disappointed if he does.. I think we have to feel good about stopping them dying like this.. did you read where they now say members of the Indonesian Police and Army were also part of this..talk about sick.. there would be no way of stopping this..and weve just given that lot 3 war planes.. we must have rocks in our head.. Do you feel better now that's off your chest? ;D

I am sorry whats the sarcasm for???..I thought you wanted some feedback.. excuse me I am sure.

back to abbott bashing.

cods wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:55pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:49pm: matty wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:48pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:39pm: I tend to agree, dsmithy. In the end, people would vote Abbott in not because they want Abbott, but because they want to get rid of Gillard.  This is unequivocally proven by his miserable personal approval standings.  Keeping that in mind, most of his most draconian nonsense legislation will never pass the senate with the greens holding the balance, and even if a Double Dissolution is called who knows if he'll actually have support considering the only reason he gets into the Lodge is to be rid of Gillard.  People would actually have to agree with his policies for a Double Dissolution to go his way.   And considering the majority of it is still stuttering out of his mouth, who knows what kind of term he would have as PM. Why would he release policy now, when the ALP could (and probably would) steal it? they'd first have to decrypt it from all the ehs and ahs, and then re-write it from the toilet paper into something legible. ;D Remember that quote i gave you that you said you understood? That's why. he would probably take over gillard  acting and voice trainers... all from NIDA I believe.. as they say whats sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Abbott doesn't act, does he?

cods wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:52pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:37pm: The difference is that Julia Gillard is looking long term and Abbott is looking short term.....Australia needs a leader who will take advantage of our dominant position provided by strong investment and a sound economy.....Australia needs to take advantage of the situation offered by the rest of the world being complete basket cases and Asia being the driving force during the next decade.....Abbott will not take advantage of this opportunity and shut down our economy for domestic short term political gain.....We need leader with vision like Julia Gillard who will engage Asia and spend the revenue necessary to drive growth while Australia is the preferred supplier and has the ability to deliver......We do not need constraint and less spending we need growth and spending to boost our terms of trade and drive growth into the next decades while we have such an economic advantage....We need more not less!!! 8-) perhaps you guys should throw your hat in the ring when she steps down.. you seem to have all the answers..and everyone knows you couldnt do any worse.. maybe gillard should become a member of ozpol... she could learn a thing or two from you guys.

I put forward a reasoned argument that could provide Australia with an advantage that could set us up for the future....You just throw crap that has no substance.....Do not bother responding to me again you stupid woman!!!

>:(

cods wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:52pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:37pm: The difference is that Julia Gillard is looking long term and Abbott is looking short term.....Australia needs a leader who will take advantage of our dominant position provided by strong investment and a sound economy.....Australia needs to take advantage of the situation offered by the rest of the world being complete basket cases and Asia being the driving force during the next decade.....Abbott will not take advantage of this opportunity and shut down our economy for domestic short term political gain.....We need leader with vision like Julia Gillard who will engage Asia and spend the revenue necessary to drive growth while Australia is the preferred supplier and has the ability to deliver......We do not need constraint and less spending we need growth and spending to boost our terms of trade and drive growth into the next decades while we have such an economic advantage....We need more not less!!! 8-) perhaps you guys should throw your hat in the ring when she steps down.. you seem to have all the answers..and everyone knows you couldnt do any worse.. maybe gillard should become a member of ozpol... she could learn a thing or two from you guys.

Most of the lefties on here would do as poor as the greens 10%'ers

cods wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:56pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:52pm: cods wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:46pm: Perhaps it's best that Tony gets in to give the up and comers within Labor time to fully find their feet. I mean how bad could 3 years get well as you have as good admitted it cant get any worse than what we have had.. No I never said that,frankly it will remain the same or get worse like t or not China has kept us afloat in exactly he same way. as you keep telling us it kept Howard afloat... China will keep the WHOLE global economy going for a few years yet it was nothing to do with Howard and Costello... and its the same now.... only big difference is the debt and no surplus.. Forgetting 08 again, it's like conservatives have a collective memory loss. I will remind you that they themselves have admitted they would only have spent a little less than Labor and be in defiect as well I am not picking holes now just saying it like it is..mmm forgot the waste.. in fact its a little better we forget no war in Iraq. but press on.. ? personally I dont think people have taken to gillard...not sure what they expected to be honest... but I think everything she did from the time she gave Rudd her promise not to move on him!!!!and then the Lie...which she claimed wasnt a lie.. and who will forget the REAL JULIA..oh gawd.it all became artificial somehow. well all I know is it was a huge turn off..for me. Fair enough I would never have voted for her.. but I think I would have given her a fair go...most of my rants have been at what i call extreme biased lefties on here..one has to get their own back after all. OK the nasty first about Nelson the sneering and the Turnbull who will forget utegate..and then Abbott its all been extreme when they are not the govt... so in turn we hit back at every little thing this lot did... and boy didnt they do a lot to hit back at.. it was gobsmacking.. and I think its a shame you guys at least one of you didnt own up to that.. ? here we have the govt coming to the party... will they say they made a mistake. ummmmmmmmmmmmm perhaps not but even you would have to admit a bit of humble pie is being eaten.. now I am not saying Nauru will be the B.all and end all..its a whole new ballgame... but it couldnt be worse than whats happening right now.. The catalyst for my post, it's seems they will start the year floudering again, on the refugee's and the thought of Malaysia would have done us so much harm abroad...I just shudder..thinking what we would send 800 souls into.... and for what to prove a point I am thinking... not because its right. its a funny thing I dont feel smug about all this at all..and I would be surprised if Abbott does.or shall I say disappointed if he does.. I think we have to feel good about stopping them dying like this.. did you read where they now say members of the Indonesian Police and Army were also part of this..talk about sick.. there would be no way of stopping this..and weve just given that lot 3 war planes.. we must have rocks in our head.. Do you feel better now that's off your chest? ;D I am sorry whats the sarcasm for???..I thought you wanted some feedback.. excuse me I am sure. back to abbott bashing.

I wasn't trying to be sarcastic, I just imagined you furiously typing and the cathartic feeling I sometimes get after getting a rant off my chest ;)

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 10:26pm:

cods wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:52pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:37pm: The difference is that Julia Gillard is looking long term and Abbott is looking short term.....Australia needs a leader who will take advantage of our dominant position provided by strong investment and a sound economy.....Australia needs to take advantage of the situation offered by the rest of the world being complete basket cases and Asia being the driving force during the next decade.....Abbott will not take advantage of this opportunity and shut down our economy for domestic short term political gain.....We need leader with vision like Julia Gillard who will engage Asia and spend the revenue necessary to drive growth while Australia is the preferred supplier and has the ability to deliver......We do not need constraint and less spending we need growth and spending to boost our terms of trade and drive growth into the next decades while we have such an economic advantage....We need more not less!!! 8-) perhaps you guys should throw your hat in the ring when she steps down.. you seem to have all the answers..and everyone knows you couldnt do any worse.. maybe gillard should become a member of ozpol... she could learn a thing or two from you guys. Most of the lefties on here would do as poor as the greens 10%'ers

Yet the Left have provided Australia with the best economy in the world and a revenue base to provide for future growth.....The right would throw away our economic advantage with wastefull tax cuts for short term political gain.....The selfish self serving attitude of the right never ceases to disgust me!!!

>:(

I wasn't trying to be sarcastic, I just imagined you furiously typing and the cathartic feeling I sometimes get after getting a rant off my chest


well thats how it came across but I am over it to be honest.. I can say no more I think I am contributing to conversation and I get ... well never mind... for the record I wasnt furiously typing I was putting quite a lot of serious thought into that just about everything I say is twisted into being something I didnt say.. and I am over it to be quite honest..I find a lot of things said to me are not in my opinion warranted..

it would just be nice if once in while someone would say something nice..but it aint gonna happen..

cods wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 10:56pm:

I wasn't trying to be sarcastic, I just imagined you furiously typing and the cathartic feeling I sometimes get after getting a rant off my chest well thats how it came across but I am over it to be honest.. I can say no more I think I am contributing to conversation and I get ... well never mind... for the record I wasnt furiously typing I was putting quite a lot of serious thought into that just about everything I say is twisted into being something I didnt say.. and I am over it to be quite honest..I find a lot of things said to me are not in my opinion warranted.. it would just be nice if once in while someone would say something nice..but it aint gonna happen..

Hi cods, I hope you have a good day :)

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 10:06pm:

cods wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:52pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:37pm: The difference is that Julia Gillard is looking long term and Abbott is looking short term.....Australia needs a leader who will take advantage of our dominant position provided by strong investment and a sound economy.....Australia needs to take advantage of the situation offered by the rest of the world being complete basket cases and Asia being the driving force during the next decade.....Abbott will not take advantage of this opportunity and shut down our economy for domestic short term political gain.....We need leader with vision like Julia Gillard who will engage Asia and spend the revenue necessary to drive growth while Australia is the preferred supplier and has the ability to deliver......We do not need constraint and less spending we need growth and spending to boost our terms of trade and drive growth into the next decades while we have such an economic advantage....We need more not less!!! 8-) perhaps you guys should throw your hat in the ring when she steps down.. you seem to have all the answers..and everyone knows you couldnt do any worse.. maybe gillard should become a member of ozpol... she could learn a thing or two from you guys. I put forward a reasoned argument that could provide Australia with an advantage that could set us up for the future....You just throw crap that has no substance.....Do not bother responding to me again you stupid woman!!! >:(

perhaps because when you talk about Gillard and 'long term vision' you sound ridiculous. the womn passed a carbon tax not for vision or future but so she could stay PM - nothing more. she is a hack and nothing else.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 10:54pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 10:26pm: cods wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:52pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:37pm: The difference is that Julia Gillard is looking long term and Abbott is looking short term.....Australia needs a leader who will take advantage of our dominant position provided by strong investment and a sound economy.....Australia needs to take advantage of the situation offered by the rest of the world being complete basket cases and Asia being the driving force during the next decade.....Abbott will not take advantage of this opportunity and shut down our economy for domestic short term political gain.....We need leader with vision like Julia Gillard who will engage Asia and spend the revenue necessary to drive growth while Australia is the preferred supplier and has the ability to deliver......We do not need constraint and less spending we need growth and spending to boost our terms of trade and drive growth into the next decades while we have such an economic advantage....We need more not less!!! 8-) perhaps you guys should throw your hat in the ring when she steps down.. you seem to have all the answers..and everyone knows you couldnt do any worse.. maybe gillard should become a member of ozpol... she could learn a thing or two from you guys. Most of the lefties on here would do as poor as the greens 10%'ers Yet the Left have provided Australia with the best economy in the world and a revenue base to provide for future growth.....The right would throw away our economic advantage with wastefull tax cuts for short term political gain.....The selfish self serving attitude of the right never ceases to disgust me!!! >:(

the left????

this is why people ignore your rants. when you cant even work out that the last even MODERATELY left-wing govt in australia was turfed our in 1975 then you look idiotic.

labor is centre-right as is the coalition. barely any difference between them on the political spectrum.

I put forward a reasoned argument that could provide Australia with an advantage that could set us up for the future....You just throw crap that has no substance.....Do not bother responding to me again you stupid woman!!!


Don't worry about phil cods he is another one going of the rails like pansi.

Phil knows labor are done and dusted at the next election and has gone into cry baby mode early.

The only thing keeping OZ out of the poo is mining. Bugger all to do with labor managing the economy.

Swan couldn't run a school tuck shop but moronic Phil couldn't organize a hiss in a snake pit.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:05pm:

It's all too easy for Abbott these days. As our friends on the right of centre tell us, all he has to do is continue to run his totally negetive policy free campaign and she seems to do the work for him. Barring a stellar year, which frankly is wishful thinking, from Labor and particually Gillard I'm starting to think he actually will still be leader of the opposition come 2013 and fall into the lodge. This is not to say I believe she has got a fair go at the job, far from it, the political climate fueled by the media has been the most poisonous I can remember(being just 5 at the time of Whitlam). Whether it's how she came into the job, or the false but successful story of a litany of failed policies, perhaps even the gender argument. But whatever it is the fact remains at this point in time it's looking extremely likely that Prime Minister Abbott will be a reality.

Very accurate description of the current situation - I would like to water down the extremely word but still very likely.

Tony is starting to show some holes in his approach and there is a limit to the amount of negativity the electorate will accept before they wake up.

Maybe grasping at straws.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:05pm:

So does she need to call a spill, suck the oxygen out of that story at least from the scribes? Who would challenge, anyone else you think should toss their hat in besides Rudd? Personally to my mind Rudd is just going back to the future and would just give Tony another head to kick with the same old lines. Combet comes to my mind but he is far to green at present.

In the past one spill have only given the story more oxygen and inevitibly led to a second stronger challenge.

Much more likely to start a media frenzy pushing what is just BS speculation at present to the front pages.

It may also give Abbott a huge kick ahead as the more stable option.

matty wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:10pm:

No. It doesn't matter even if she does go, Labor have absolutely no hope in hell of winning an election for years to come. Australians don't like being lied to, ...

They didn't seem to mind when the Liberals were lying to them.

The conservatives were saying that as long as the economy is strong we don't care. That was acknowledgment from their supporters that yes they were lies we were being told.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 7:56am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 9:05pm: So does she need to call a spill, suck the oxygen out of that story at least from the scribes? Who would challenge, anyone else you think should toss their hat in besides Rudd? Personally to my mind Rudd is just going back to the future and would just give Tony another head to kick with the same old lines. Combet comes to my mind but he is far to green at present. In the past one spill have only given the story more oxygen and inevitibly led to a second stronger challenge. Much more likely to start a media frenzy pushing what is just BS speculation at present to the front pages. It may also give Abbott a huge kick ahead as the more stable option.

Like dna, I think a spill would solve nothing. Leadership speculation seems to be something that the media will go on about regardless. Even if there were a spill, even if there were a change of PM the media would immediately start obsessing with the next leadership tension/the Gillard comeback/the Rudd push/whatever scenario the one idea media can come up with.

Nevertheless, there's no reason speculation should trigger anything. Look at the Howard/Costello situation. How many years did that drag on for??

Having said that... Combet and Shorten would be likely but both need more time. Cameron!??! Oh yeah, I'd love that. A man with the balls to speak his mind. Truly, I'd LOVE it!  :) :) ;)

cods wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 10:56pm:

I wasn't trying to be sarcastic, I just imagined you furiously typing and the cathartic feeling I sometimes get after getting a rant off my chest well thats how it came across but I am over it to be honest.. I can say no more I think I am contributing to conversation and I get ... well never mind... for the record I wasnt furiously typing I was putting quite a lot of serious thought into that just about everything I say is twisted into being something I didnt say.. and I am over it to be quite honest..I find a lot of things said to me are not in my opinion warranted.. it would just be nice if once in while someone would say something nice..but it aint gonna happen..

The board is a better and more interesting place by your being here cods. A Happy Yuletide to you and yours.

Grey wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 11:40am:

cods wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 10:56pm: I wasn't trying to be sarcastic, I just imagined you furiously typing and the cathartic feeling I sometimes get after getting a rant off my chest well thats how it came across but I am over it to be honest.. I can say no more I think I am contributing to conversation and I get ... well never mind... for the record I wasnt furiously typing I was putting quite a lot of serious thought into that just about everything I say is twisted into being something I didnt say.. and I am over it to be quite honest..I find a lot of things said to me are not in my opinion warranted.. it would just be nice if once in while someone would say something nice..but it aint gonna happen.. The board is a better and more interesting place by your being here cods. A Happy Yuletide to you and yours.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:05pm:

It's all too easy for Abbott these days. As our friends on the right of centre tell us, all he has to do is continue to run his totally negetive policy free campaign and she seems to do the work for him. Barring a stellar year, which frankly is wishful thinking, from Labor and particually Gillard I'm starting to think he actually will still be leader of the opposition come 2013 and fall into the lodge.This is not to say I believe she has got a fair go at the job, far from it, the political climate fueled by the media has been the most poisonous I can remember(being just 5 at the time of Whitlam). Whether it's how she came into the job, or the false but successful story of a litany of failed policies, perhaps even the gender argument. But whatever it is the fact remains at this point in time it's looking extremely likely that Prime Minister Abbott will be a reality. So does she need to call a spill, suck the oxygen out of that story at least from the scribes? Who would challenge, anyone else you think should toss their hat in besides Rudd? Personally to my mind Rudd is just going back to the future and would just give Tony another head to kick with the same old lines. Combet comes to my mind but he is far to green at present. Perhaps it's best that Tony gets in to give the up and comers within Labor time to fully find their feet. I mean how bad could 3 years get :-?

He'll fall in the Lodge like Stephen Bradbury skating across the line and getting the gold smithy. :)
If Gillard doesn't get competent soon which will shut Abbott down, he'll be in like Flynn come next election.
What happens after that is anyone's guess though.

People would do well to remember that common decency, ethics and manners cost nothing at all.

A lot on here seem to not be aware of this.

Grey wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 11:40am:

cods wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 10:56pm: I wasn't trying to be sarcastic, I just imagined you furiously typing and the cathartic feeling I sometimes get after getting a rant off my chest well thats how it came across but I am over it to be honest.. I can say no more I think I am contributing to conversation and I get ... well never mind... for the record I wasnt furiously typing I was putting quite a lot of serious thought into that just about everything I say is twisted into being something I didnt say.. and I am over it to be quite honest..I find a lot of things said to me are not in my opinion warranted.. it would just be nice if once in while someone would say something nice..but it aint gonna happen.. The board is a better and more interesting place by your being here cods. A Happy Yuletide to you and yours.

Cods, your the only 'gutsy' Liberal supporter on these forums over the years. You have never shown to shy away from a topic.

I admire the dedication you have, more so then many others, you stick it out and  continue to do so.

The forum would seem empty with out you .  ;)   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 11:41am:

Grey wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 11:40am: cods wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 10:56pm: I wasn't trying to be sarcastic, I just imagined you furiously typing and the cathartic feeling I sometimes get after getting a rant off my chest well thats how it came across but I am over it to be honest.. I can say no more I think I am contributing to conversation and I get ... well never mind... for the record I wasnt furiously typing I was putting quite a lot of serious thought into that just about everything I say is twisted into being something I didnt say.. and I am over it to be quite honest..I find a lot of things said to me are not in my opinion warranted.. it would just be nice if once in while someone would say something nice..but it aint gonna happen.. The board is a better and more interesting place by your being here cods. A Happy Yuletide to you and yours. I agree wholeheartedly.

Mee too - I seldom agree with you but support your right to your opinions and to argue your belief.

I like people who are passionate about their beliefs even when I do not agree with them.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 4:04pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 11:41am: Grey wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 11:40am: cods wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 10:56pm: I wasn't trying to be sarcastic, I just imagined you furiously typing and the cathartic feeling I sometimes get after getting a rant off my chest well thats how it came across but I am over it to be honest.. I can say no more I think I am contributing to conversation and I get ... well never mind... for the record I wasnt furiously typing I was putting quite a lot of serious thought into that just about everything I say is twisted into being something I didnt say.. and I am over it to be quite honest..I find a lot of things said to me are not in my opinion warranted.. it would just be nice if once in while someone would say something nice..but it aint gonna happen.. The board is a better and more interesting place by your being here cods. A Happy Yuletide to you and yours. I agree wholeheartedly. Mee too - I seldom agree with you but support your right to your opinions and to argue your belief. I like people who are passionate about their beliefs even when I do not agree with them.

Me three. :)
Stick around Cods.
Your good for the boards.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2011 at 4:38pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 4:04pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 11:41am: Grey wrote on Dec 23rd, 2011 at 11:40am: cods wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 10:56pm: I wasn't trying to be sarcastic, I just imagined you furiously typing and the cathartic feeling I sometimes get after getting a rant off my chest well thats how it came across but I am over it to be honest.. I can say no more I think I am contributing to conversation and I get ... well never mind... for the record I wasnt furiously typing I was putting quite a lot of serious thought into that just about everything I say is twisted into being something I didnt say.. and I am over it to be quite honest..I find a lot of things said to me are not in my opinion warranted.. it would just be nice if once in while someone would say something nice..but it aint gonna happen.. The board is a better and more interesting place by your being here cods. A Happy Yuletide to you and yours. I agree wholeheartedly. Mee too - I seldom agree with you but support your right to your opinions and to argue your belief. I like people who are passionate about their beliefs even when I do not agree with them. Me three. :) Stick around Cods. Your good for the boards.

Yep cod is a lady,unlike some of the SKANKS on here  >:(

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2011 at 9:05pm:

It's all too easy for Abbott these days. As our friends on the right of centre tell us, all he has to do is continue to run his totally negetive policy free campaign and she seems to do the work for him. Barring a stellar year, which frankly is wishful thinking, from Labor and particually Gillard I'm starting to think he actually will still be leader of the opposition come 2013 and fall into the lodge. This is not to say I believe she has got a fair go at the job, far from it, the political climate fueled by the media has been the most poisonous I can remember(being just 5 at the time of Whitlam). Whether it's how she came into the job, or the false but successful story of a litany of failed policies, perhaps even the gender argument. But whatever it is the fact remains at this point in time it's looking extremely likely that Prime Minister Abbott will be a reality. So does she need to call a spill, suck the oxygen out of that story at least from the scribes? Who would challenge, anyone else you think should toss their hat in besides Rudd? Personally to my mind Rudd is just going back to the future and would just give Tony another head to kick with the same old lines. Combet comes to my mind but he is far to green at present. Perhaps it's best that Tony gets in to give the up and comers within Labor time to fully find their feet. I mean how bad could 3 years get :-?

There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead

Where's the negative campaign in that?

If she did lie then he would have no ammo to use

I too would prefer cods here, I disagree with her on most topics but defend her right to have her opinion on them all. What a boring place the world would be if we all agreed on everything.

Yep cod is a lady,unlike some of the SKANKS on here


You calling roo poo a skank?

WOW I am in shock..thank you one and all for giving me a boost especially at this time.o are all more than kind.. veg scares me though she talks about years...oh dear you have been putting up with me for years... no wonder I get your ire every now and then..

but thank you I have had a few barbs come my way.. probably deserved in some cases but still it is nice to now that I would be missed...ha.ha. even if it is a bit hard to believe..

I wish you all the very best of the season.. and well I probably will be back bit maybe a wee bit more mellow..

then again maybe dont hold your breather..lol..

thanks guys..btw I think you are all ok as well..just a bit over the edge with your bias.. but I can handle that.... ;)

Gillard needs to desist from her deliberate institutional attack on the most vulnerable in our society forthwith, end the corruption, the organised inequality and bring herself in line with the norms of law and civilized governance or be prosecuted for corruption of the office of Prime Minister. 8-)

skippy. wrote on Dec 24^th, 2011 at 10:22am:

I too would prefer cods here, I disagree with her on most topics but defend her right to have her opinion on them all. What a boring place the world would be if we all agreed on everything.

skippy I am going to enjoy reminding you of this post...

happy New Year

corporate_whitey wrote on Dec 25^th, 2011 at 1:39am:

Gillard needs to desist from her deliberate institutional attack on the most vulnerable in our society forthwith, end the corruption, the organised inequality and bring herself in line with the norms of law and civilized governance or be prosecuted for corruption of the office of Prime Minister. 8-)

cw I do hope you had a very nice Christmas.. it only comes once a year..... yeah we all agree thank goodness..but it does mean a time to put all the bad things aside and make the most of the day..and good friends and good company I do hope you had all of those things..plus a visit from santa.

Santa doesn't visit the illegal Muslim invading bludgers coming via Jakarta from the middle east on their welfare for life leaking boats.

juliar wrote on Dec 26^th, 2011 at 10:01am:

Santa doesn't visit the lying bludgers coming onto these boards.

Guess you missed out then.

;)