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....................Abbott was a Rhodes Scholar; has three degrees in economics, law and philosophy; was educated at four elite institutions, St Aloysius, Riverview, Sydney University and Oxford University; is highly articulate; has written three books and raised three daughters who are all pursuing tertiary studies...................

thanks all

And he wanted to be a priest...

Maybe he likes dressing up. ;D

Maybe he would have been better off just being in a union position. Much less work.

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 8:10pm:

Maybe he would have been better off just being in a union position. Much less work.

Not sure he'd fit in... A Catholic probably pre-Vatican 2 arch-conservative... Even if he did root around a bit... Mind you we are talking about the Catholic priesthood... ;)

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 7:16pm:

Quote: ....................Abbott was a Rhodes Scholar; has three degrees in economics, law and philosophy; was educated at four elite institutions, St Aloysius, Riverview, Sydney University and Oxford University; is highly articulate; has written three books and raised three daughters who are all pursuing tertiary studies................... thanks all

I find that one particularly interesting, given his apparently weak grasp of (and lack of interest in) the topic. ::)

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 7:16pm:

Quote: ....................Abbott was a Rhodes Scholar; has three degrees in economics, law and philosophy; was educated at four elite institutions, St Aloysius, Riverview, Sydney University and Oxford University; is highly articulate; has written three books and raised three daughters who are all pursuing tertiary studies................... thanks all

Didn't Hitler write a book? Thank god he didn't write three. I think Lenin and Marx also wrote books.

Didn't Hitler and Stalin want to be priests as well? ;D

Abbott is a volunteer surf life saver at Queenscliff ,
a volunteer member of the NSW Rural Fire Service as a member of the Davidson Rural Fire Brigade.

He  has participated in many events for charity including running in a 100 km charity ultramarathon.

In April 2007 he launched the tenth annual Pollie Pedal, a charitable event which aimed to raise money for breast cancer research

Abbott spent weeks teaching in a remote Aboriginal settlements in Cape York in 2008 and 2009, organised through prominent indigenous leader Noel Pearson. He taught remedial reading to Aboriginal children; worked with an income management group, helping families manage their welfare payments; and visited children who had not been attending school—with a goal 'to familiarise himself with indigenous issues'.


Criticise all you like -  how many other front bench politicians do volunteer work ?

Griff wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 8:27pm:

Abbott is a volunteer surf life saver at Queenscliff , a volunteer member of the NSW Rural Fire Service as a member of the Davidson Rural Fire Brigade. He  has participated in many events for charity including running in a 100 km charity ultramarathon. In April 2007 he launched the tenth annual Pollie Pedal, a charitable event which aimed to raise money for breast cancer research Abbott spent weeks teaching in a remote Aboriginal settlements in Cape York in 2008 and 2009, organised through prominent indigenous leader Noel Pearson. He taught remedial reading to Aboriginal children; worked with an income management group, helping families manage their welfare payments; and visited children who had not been attending school—with a goal 'to familiarise himself with indigenous issues'. Criticise all you like -  how many other front bench politicians do volunteer work ?

Nothing like a zealot to burn the village in order to save it.  ;)

Griff wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 8:27pm:

Criticise all you like -  how many other front bench politicians do volunteer work ?

I'd bet nearly all of them.

Prove it -  show me evidence of such.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 8:25pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25th, 2011 at 7:16pm: Quote: ....................Abbott was a Rhodes Scholar; has three degrees in economics, law and philosophy; was educated at four elite institutions, St Aloysius, Riverview, Sydney University and Oxford University; is highly articulate; has written three books and raised three daughters who are all pursuing tertiary studies................... thanks all Didn't Hitler write a book? Thank god he didn't write three. I think Lenin and Marx also wrote books. Didn't Hitler and Stalin want to be priests as well? ;D

That is quite pathetic - comparing Abbott to some of the worst mass murderers in world history. You really need your head checked.

Griff wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 8:33pm:

Prove it -  show me evidence of such.

When you've met a few Cabinet Ministers you'll understand. The most altruistic ones do it without the press at the scene.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 8:34pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 25th, 2011 at 8:25pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25th, 2011 at 7:16pm: Quote: ....................Abbott was a Rhodes Scholar; has three degrees in economics, law and philosophy; was educated at four elite institutions, St Aloysius, Riverview, Sydney University and Oxford University; is highly articulate; has written three books and raised three daughters who are all pursuing tertiary studies................... thanks all Didn't Hitler write a book? Thank god he didn't write three. I think Lenin and Marx also wrote books. Didn't Hitler and Stalin want to be priests as well? ;D That is quite pathetic - comparing Abbott to some of the worst mass murderers in world history. You really need your head checked.

The point is... The writing of books is no indication of the writer's morality.

Nor is their sense of calling to the priesthood.

When you've met a few Cabinet Ministers you'll understand. The most altruistic ones do it without the press at the scene.

Hilarious!

Every altruistic move he makes there is a complete camera crew recording it.. cutting fish guts, smelling dirt, arranging apples on a stand, on and on and on it goes.

Altruistic Tony..as long as someone is saying 'smile for the camera Tony!'

He's just so modest.
;D

Gimme Gimme wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 9:05pm:

When you've met a few Cabinet Ministers you'll understand. The most altruistic ones do it without the press at the scene. Hilarious! Every altruistic move he makes there is a complete camera crew recording it.. cutting fish guts, smelling dirt, arranging apples on a stand, on and on and on it goes. Altruistic Tony..as long as someone is saying 'smile for the camera Tony!' He's just so modest. ;D

Yep... that'd be the the point with Father Abbott ;D

Griff wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 8:27pm:

Abbott is a volunteer surf life saver at Queenscliff , a volunteer member of the NSW Rural Fire Service as a member of the Davidson Rural Fire Brigade. He  has participated in many events for charity including running in a 100 km charity ultramarathon. In April 2007 he launched the tenth annual Pollie Pedal, a charitable event which aimed to raise money for breast cancer research Abbott spent weeks teaching in a remote Aboriginal settlements in Cape York in 2008 and 2009, organised through prominent indigenous leader Noel Pearson. He taught remedial reading to Aboriginal children; worked with an income management group, helping families manage their welfare payments; and visited children who had not been attending school—with a goal 'to familiarise himself with indigenous issues'. Criticise all you like -  how many other front bench politicians do volunteer work ?

indeed griff ? That's very good stuff really.
Whether other pollies do those sort of activitoes or not, well done Tony

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 9:57pm:

indeed griff ? That's very good stuff really. Whether other pollies do those sort of activitoes or not, well done Tony

This from a quasi-Christian.. What a surprise  ::)

Never mind those who do it from the heart without the media to score them brownies with the mindless.

helian, these deeds Tony does, are they good things ?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 9:57pm:

Griff wrote on Sep 25th, 2011 at 8:27pm: Abbott is a volunteer surf life saver at Queenscliff , a volunteer member of the NSW Rural Fire Service as a member of the Davidson Rural Fire Brigade. He  has participated in many events for charity including running in a 100 km charity ultramarathon. In April 2007 he launched the tenth annual Pollie Pedal, a charitable event which aimed to raise money for breast cancer research Abbott spent weeks teaching in a remote Aboriginal settlements in Cape York in 2008 and 2009, organised through prominent indigenous leader Noel Pearson. He taught remedial reading to Aboriginal children; worked with an income management group, helping families manage their welfare payments; and visited children who had not been attending school—with a goal 'to familiarise himself with indigenous issues'. Criticise all you like -  how many other front bench politicians do volunteer work ? indeed griff ? That's very good stuff really. Whether other pollies do those sort of activitoes or not, well done Tony

Tony Abbott has always volunteered for charity and helped in the community. It is part of the make up of his character.

Long before the press started following him around he was out there trying to help others and was never given any publicity.

It is interesting that some on here will put him down for this. Even to the extent of comparing him with Hitler. Just shows the poor judgement in some and a jaundiced view in not being able to give acknowledgement of a person's good qualities.

I do notice that these same people are not putting up similar plaudits for their own personal favourite pollie....just generalising that most of them would be the same. Not true. If they were, then there  would be lists on here putting all the good works out there and showing Abbott up.

Truth is, most pollies have been getting themselves into politics and climbing the ladder for less altruistic reasons. They couldn't come close to Abbott's years of selfless commitment to causes he believes in.

Good on Abbott. We could do far worse.....

Oh, that's right, we ARE doing worse.

olive wrote on Sep 26^th, 2011 at 1:09am:

It is interesting that some on here will put him down for this. Even to the extent of comparing him with Hitler. Just shows the poor judgement in some and a jaundiced view in not being able to give acknowledgement of a person's good qualities.

The point being... The writing of books is not, in itself, a necessary indication of the writer's morality, nor of the books' literary/academic worth.

And a sense of calling to the priesthood, similarly, is not, in itself, a necessary indication of the subject's moral or ethical worth.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 11:26pm:

helian, these deeds Tony does, are they good things ?

answer the question plse helian

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 26^th, 2011 at 5:03am:

olive wrote on Sep 26th, 2011 at 1:09am: It is interesting that some on here will put him down for this. Even to the extent of comparing him with Hitler. Just shows the poor judgement in some and a jaundiced view in not being able to give acknowledgement of a person's good qualities. The point being... The writing of books is not, in itself, a necessary indication of the writer's morality, nor of the books' literary/academic worth. And a sense of calling to the priesthood, similarly, is not, in itself, a necessary indication of the subject's moral or ethical worth.

Just admit that you hate Abbott with a passion despite his extensive charity work and that any admission otherwise by you would be simply too painful. That's just pitiful. I can't stand Rudd, but atleast I can admit that as a Foreign Minister, he is very good at that job as a career diplomat - far better than he was or will ever be as a PM.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 7:16pm:

Quote: ....................Abbott was a Rhodes Scholar; has three degrees in economics, law and philosophy; was educated at four elite institutions, St Aloysius, Riverview, Sydney University and Oxford University; is highly articulate; has written three books and raised three daughters who are all pursuing tertiary studies................... thanks all

One very important piece of his education is missing. He never attended a madrassa. Until he can cite the holy narok from cover to cover the bloke is nothing more than a dunce.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 26^th, 2011 at 8:03am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25th, 2011 at 11:26pm: helian, these deeds Tony does, are they good things ? answer the question plse helian

It's not in the deed where goodness lies, but in the intent and spirit in which its commissioned.

olive wrote on Sep 26^th, 2011 at 1:09am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25th, 2011 at 9:57pm: Griff wrote on Sep 25th, 2011 at 8:27pm: Abbott is a volunteer surf life saver at Queenscliff , a volunteer member of the NSW Rural Fire Service as a member of the Davidson Rural Fire Brigade. He  has participated in many events for charity including running in a 100 km charity ultramarathon. In April 2007 he launched the tenth annual Pollie Pedal, a charitable event which aimed to raise money for breast cancer research Abbott spent weeks teaching in a remote Aboriginal settlements in Cape York in 2008 and 2009, organised through prominent indigenous leader Noel Pearson. He taught remedial reading to Aboriginal children; worked with an income management group, helping families manage their welfare payments; and visited children who had not been attending school—with a goal 'to familiarise himself with indigenous issues'. Criticise all you like -  how many other front bench politicians do volunteer work ? indeed griff ? That's very good stuff really. Whether other pollies do those sort of activitoes or not, well done Tony Tony Abbott has always volunteered for charity and helped in the community. It is part of the make up of his character. Long before the press started following him around he was out there trying to help others and was never given any publicity. It is interesting that some on here will put him down for this. Even to the extent of comparing him with Hitler. Just shows the poor judgement in some and a jaundiced view in not being able to give acknowledgement of a person's good qualities. I do notice that these same people are not putting up similar plaudits for their own personal favourite pollie....just generalising that most of them would be the same. Not true. If they were, then there  would be lists on here putting all the good works out there and showing Abbott up. Truth is, most pollies have been getting themselves into politics and climbing the ladder for less altruistic reasons. They couldn't come close to Abbott's years of selfless commitment to causes he believes in. Good on Abbott. We could do far worse..... Oh, that's right, we ARE doing worse.

morning olive.... we forget the things he does for our aboriginal chums... he doesnt just do token visits either he stays there and tried to understand..

I havent seen him sitting on hospital beds all decked out in surgery gear.. though....lol..

remember Laurel and Hardy doing the rounds of the hospital beds....groooooooan..

I just recently spent 12 hours in emergency with an 87 year old sitting in a chair all that time..... not a sign of Laurel Or Hardy... ;D

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 26^th, 2011 at 8:24am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 26th, 2011 at 8:03am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25th, 2011 at 11:26pm: helian, these deeds Tony does, are they good things ? answer the question plse helian It's not in the deed where goodness lies, but in the intent and spirit in which its commissioned.

answer question.

and, you are wrong.

Unfortunately it is the likes of Abbott that low the value of universities :(  3 degrees, and yet still unable to comprehend how to utilise his knowledge and is a complete fool.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 26^th, 2011 at 10:28am:

Unfortunately it is the likes of Abbott that low the value of universities :(  3 degrees, and yet still unable to comprehend how to utilise his knowledge and is a complete fool.

rhodes scholars are not complete fools

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 26^th, 2011 at 10:47am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 26th, 2011 at 10:28am: Unfortunately it is the likes of Abbott that low the value of universities :(  3 degrees, and yet still unable to comprehend how to utilise his knowledge and is a complete fool. rhodes scholars are not complete fools

No, there are parts missing. ;D

hahhahahaahah

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 26^th, 2011 at 8:39am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 26th, 2011 at 8:24am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 26th, 2011 at 8:03am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25th, 2011 at 11:26pm: helian, these deeds Tony does, are they good things ? answer the question plse helian It's not in the deed where goodness lies, but in the intent and spirit in which its commissioned. answer question. and, you are wrong.

Ah, no I am right... And as a Christian (admittedly a quasi Christian) you should agree with its moral quality - It's not in the deed where goodness lies, but in the intent and spirit in which its commissioned.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/the-other-side-of-tony-abbott/story-e6frgd0x-1226154426122

FROM the progressive Left that loathes him to the right-wing free market lobby that distrusts him, Tony Abbott's political character as cautious, conservative and pragmatic remains the source of denial and alarm.

Abbott has been the most misunderstood leader of a major political party for many years. Blunder after blunder has been perpetrated by his opponents because they have failed to see what is in front of their eyes, and what Abbott represents.

The two great myths are Abbott as extremist and Abbott as ideologue. The Australian public shuns such traits and Abbott's poll ratings affirm this is not how the public sees him. The effort to paint Abbott as extremist and ideologue, once Labor's central strategy, has failed so far.

Labor, however, cannot give up. Undermined by its own dysfunction, it will keep playing the Abbott card because it has few other options and is convinced he is a destructive force unfit to become prime minister. Labor's last hope remains a bet against Abbott's political character.

This week Peter Costello, who understands Abbott better than most, rapped him over the knuckles for being too soft and cautious on industrial relations reform. Costello's complaint is that Abbott ruled out individual statutory contracts, a policy legislated by the Howard government in 1996 on Coalition and Australian Democrat votes, long before Work Choices. Abbott, in short, has positioned himself to the left of the Australian Democrats circa 1996. Sound extreme to you? No wonder Costello is unhappy.

In his book Battlelines, Abbott attacked Work Choices as "a catastrophic political blunder". Indeed, he was one of the least enthusiastic ministers when the Howard cabinet agreed to the policy. Abbott is making crystal clear his attitude in office to industrial relations - he will operate within Julia Gillard's existing laws. Radical IR reform is simply off Abbott's radar. The employer groups will need to get their heads around this reality.

Costello's pot shot follows that from Abbott backer and former finance minister Nick Minchin in the partyroom in May accusing Abbott of failing the "good reform" test by not supporting a Labor excise increase. In short, Abbott was too soft and cautious for Minchin's taste on fiscal discipline.

Such critiques penetrate both to Abbott's style and substance. Abbott, in case you missed it, does not seek a fifth term for the Howard-Costello government. As far as Abbott is concerned, that government is over. Abbott runs for a first-term Abbott government. It will be different in policy and style, even though John Howard remains his model.

How will it be different? Well, Abbott's first-term game plan is on the table now. It will be dominated by four items that reflect Abbott's conservatism applied to the times: the dismantling of the carbon price scheme (the most substantial and risky dismantling of any policy in Australian history), the scaling back and re-defining of the National Broadband Network, the removal of the mining tax and hefty spending cuts to achieve the promised fiscal consolidation. How much detail the Coalition provides on the fiscal side remains to be seen and it refuses to get its policy costed by any government agency. This agenda is heavily negative, but Abbott's retort is the public doesn't buy Labor's reform edifices and wants them dismantled.

Abbott's instinctive reply to Minchin in their partyroom exchange was memorable. He said faced with a choice between "policy purity and political pragmatism, I'll take pragmatism every time". It is the antithesis of ideology.

As for tactics, Abbott is tracking Howard's 1996 campaign. Just as Howard dismissed any GST, so Abbott dismisses IR reform to counter Labor's inevitable Work Choices scare. Abbott will give Labor nothing - no opening, no break against him. Abbott operates on the assumption of Kevin Rudd's possible return thereby reviving Labor's vote. How dumb would Abbott be to devise bold and risky policies against a weak Gillard only to gift a resurrected Rudd fresh weapons to use against him and reverse the political equation? For the record, Abbott won't be that dumb.

Much of the current debate misses the way Abbott frames the political future. His objective is to win and win big. Abbott wants the Australian people to mandate his judgment against Labor and to authorise his dismantling of the Gillard-Rudd legacy. The next election is the opposite of 2010: it will be a turning point poll between radically different programs.

Abbott now says his agenda may require two elections, an initial victory and then a double dissolution election to abolish Labor's carbon pricing scheme. Abbott can only prevail with an overwhelming majority in the country. Consider the situation he would face as PM: a hostile Senate, an antagonistic Labor Party and Greens, opinion-making forums horrified that Australia would repudiate carbon pricing, reject the international campaign for emissions trading and repeal such a pro-market economic reform.

Above all, Abbott knows his prime ministership would be destroyed unless he delivers on his promise to repeal carbon pricing. It is his first, second and third priority. Abbott's rejection of carbon pricing, the platform on which he won the leadership, remains his greatest gamble. The verdict on it will come from global events, notably whether the world moves towards or against emissions trading.

Meanwhile the bigger, disputed question remains: who is Tony Abbott?

There are three truths about Abbott. First, he has a conservative set of values that he champions yet his policy outlook is highly flexible and pragmatic (witness his famous changes of mind on multiculturalism, hospitals, carbon pricing and paid parental leave, among others).

Because Abbott is seen to stand for enduring values he gets away with multiple policy switches with impunity.

Second, unlike leaders of the past generation Abbott is not defined by economics and does not wear free-market economics as his badge. This is a sharp break from Paul Keating, John Hewson, Costello and even Howard. If Abbott wins, it will become a departure point for Australia. Abbott told me back in 2003: "I have never been as excited about economics as some of my colleagues." An understatement.

Throughout his life, Abbott's social philosophy has been paramount. He is a libertarian in neither personal nor economic terms. Abbott has never hidden this truth, declaring that while many Liberals stress the "individual" and "choice" his message is always "individuals as part of the social fabric".

For Abbott, it is society, family and community that count. Individualism must always be seen within society. This is the powerful legacy of his Catholicism. It has been apparent at each stage of his life, trainee priest, journalist, community volunteer and MP.

It is what makes Abbott a different Liberal leader and what makes the Abbott Liberal Party different. Such philosophy is likely to be popular with the public but hardly encouraging to free-market reform.

Third, Abbott is a community based politician rather than an inside-the-beltway policy wonk. He is bright enough and arrogant enough to think he doesn't necessarily need to genuflect before the latest policy advice or conventional wisdom (think carbon pricing or mining tax).

Abbott is a natural populist and has materialised into something Labor never imagined - a potent threat to its voting base.

The only basis for seeing Abbott as a radical lies in the fusion of his populism and social values. The feminists preaching his infamy are clueless, with Abbott easily batting away their attacks: "Am I worried about the extent of abortions and family breakdown today? Yes, I am worried. Do I intend in office to legislate against abortion and family breakdown? No, I don't." With this formula he projects his values yet claims immunity from imposing them.

Where Labor was convinced Abbott would narrow the Coalition's appeal, the opposite has happened with Abbott widening its appeal, a point verified by applying this test in terms of regions, class and values.

The Coalition is strong in the resource states of Queensland and Western Australia, much of NSW, manages to hold its own in the southern states.

Analysis by class shows Abbott is stealing the working-class vote through his persona and ability to re-mobilise the so-called Howard battlers. On values, Abbott embodies the large-scale transfer of the Catholic vote from Labor to Liberal. This is symbolised not just by his Democratic Labor Party origins but by the December 2009 Liberal leadership contest involving Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull and Joe Hockey, each of them Catholic, a situation inconceivable in the Menzian Liberal Party and testimony to the widening of the conservative net.

Abbott's political character has long been obvious: he is a conservative who shuns government-engineered schemes to remake the existing order, from carbon pricing to the republic.

Where does Abbott's conservatism lead him on the economy? The answer lies in the basics: low tax, small government, fiscal surplus. It is part of the Howard-Costello legacy (not always delivered) that Abbott accepts and would pursue in office.

Does Abbott work as a political package? So far he has exceeded expectations for many of the above reasons. It will be hard for Labor to halt Abbott's momentum from this point. The bigger question for the country, however, is whether the Abbott package works in office or becomes the train wreck that Labor expects.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 7:41pm:

And he wanted to be a priest... Maybe he likes dressing up. ;D

Or maybe when he is photographed going to church, it's because he remains true to his faith unlike Rudd, who saw it mainly as a photo opportunity.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 1^st, 2011 at 8:04am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 25th, 2011 at 7:41pm: And he wanted to be a priest... Maybe he likes dressing up. ;D Or maybe when he is photographed going to church, it's because he remains true to his faith unlike Rudd, who saw it mainly as a photo opportunity.

and rudd didnt go to the Catholic church for his photo opportunities either..

its interesting isnt it Abbott Catholism seems to warrant an awful lot of attention.. yet ruddies doesnt get a look in... now he is all the rage all of a sudden.. maybe atheitism is out of vogue. or should that be communism?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 26^th, 2011 at 8:46pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 26th, 2011 at 8:39am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 26th, 2011 at 8:24am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 26th, 2011 at 8:03am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 25th, 2011 at 11:26pm: helian, these deeds Tony does, are they good things ? answer the question plse helian It's not in the deed where goodness lies, but in the intent and spirit in which its commissioned. answer question. and, you are wrong. Ah, no I am right... And as a Christian (admittedly a quasi Christian) you should agree with its moral quality - It's not in the deed where goodness lies, but in the intent and spirit in which its commissioned.

QUE?

Griff wrote on Sep 25^th, 2011 at 8:27pm:

Abbott is a volunteer surf life saver at Queenscliff , a volunteer member of the NSW Rural Fire Service as a member of the Davidson Rural Fire Brigade. He  has participated in many events for charity including running in a 100 km charity ultramarathon. In April 2007 he launched the tenth annual Pollie Pedal, a charitable event which aimed to raise money for breast cancer research Abbott spent weeks teaching in a remote Aboriginal settlements in Cape York in 2008 and 2009, organised through prominent indigenous leader Noel Pearson. He taught remedial reading to Aboriginal children; worked with an income management group, helping families manage their welfare payments; and visited children who had not been attending school—with a goal 'to familiarise himself with indigenous issues'. Criticise all you like -  how many other front bench politicians do volunteer work ?

We all know volunteer work is only done to gain prestige and further your career in Aboriginal free loading.....No one does volunteer work unless it is for personal gain according to the right....What a self serving wanker Tony Abbott is!!!

Sorry maqqa, I am finidng it hard to trust many articles  that comes form the Australian . like burnsides Tweet , they  'write it  up more' than it is worth...

Regardless of what you think of Tony Abbott - the issue with his so called "adopted son" highlights the sordidness of the left with headlines such as "Abbott's tale is grubbier than it seems"

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/02/24/1109180038442.html


Then we find out through DNA testing that it wasn't even his son

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/03/21/1111253955138.html

wrote on Oct 1^st, 2011 at 10:51am:

Sorry maqqa, I am finidng it hard to trust many articles  that comes form the Australian . like burnsides Tweet , they  'write it  up more' than it is worth...

and because it came from The Australian you ignore the content of the tweet then?

so when I said that Australia only contribute less than 1.5% to carbon emissions it was false because I said it - but now the Unions are saying it on TV then it must be true

so facts has nothing to do with it as much as the person delivering it

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2011 at 10:32am:

Griff wrote on Sep 25th, 2011 at 8:27pm: Abbott is a volunteer surf life saver at Queenscliff , a volunteer member of the NSW Rural Fire Service as a member of the Davidson Rural Fire Brigade. He  has participated in many events for charity including running in a 100 km charity ultramarathon. In April 2007 he launched the tenth annual Pollie Pedal, a charitable event which aimed to raise money for breast cancer research Abbott spent weeks teaching in a remote Aboriginal settlements in Cape York in 2008 and 2009, organised through prominent indigenous leader Noel Pearson. He taught remedial reading to Aboriginal children; worked with an income management group, helping families manage their welfare payments; and visited children who had not been attending school—with a goal 'to familiarise himself with indigenous issues'. Criticise all you like -  how many other front bench politicians do volunteer work ? We all know volunteer work is only done to gain prestige and further your career in Aboriginal free loading.....No one does volunteer work unless it is for personal gain according to the right....What a self serving wanker Tony Abbott is!!!

So any volunteers who vote for Liberal falls into this category then

you are a disgrace phil to all volunteers across this great nation

Maqqa wrote on Oct 1^st, 2011 at 10:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 1st, 2011 at 10:32am: Griff wrote on Sep 25th, 2011 at 8:27pm: Abbott is a volunteer surf life saver at Queenscliff , a volunteer member of the NSW Rural Fire Service as a member of the Davidson Rural Fire Brigade. He  has participated in many events for charity including running in a 100 km charity ultramarathon. In April 2007 he launched the tenth annual Pollie Pedal, a charitable event which aimed to raise money for breast cancer research Abbott spent weeks teaching in a remote Aboriginal settlements in Cape York in 2008 and 2009, organised through prominent indigenous leader Noel Pearson. He taught remedial reading to Aboriginal children; worked with an income management group, helping families manage their welfare payments; and visited children who had not been attending school—with a goal 'to familiarise himself with indigenous issues'. Criticise all you like -  how many other front bench politicians do volunteer work ? We all know volunteer work is only done to gain prestige and further your career in Aboriginal free loading.....No one does volunteer work unless it is for personal gain according to the right....What a self serving wanker Tony Abbott is!!! So any volunteers who vote for Liberal falls into this category then you are a disgrace phil to all volunteers across this great nation

I was being sarcastic!!!

::)

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2011 at 11:04am:

Maqqa wrote on Oct 1st, 2011 at 10:59am: philperth2010 wrote on Oct 1st, 2011 at 10:32am: Griff wrote on Sep 25th, 2011 at 8:27pm: Abbott is a volunteer surf life saver at Queenscliff , a volunteer member of the NSW Rural Fire Service as a member of the Davidson Rural Fire Brigade. He  has participated in many events for charity including running in a 100 km charity ultramarathon. In April 2007 he launched the tenth annual Pollie Pedal, a charitable event which aimed to raise money for breast cancer research Abbott spent weeks teaching in a remote Aboriginal settlements in Cape York in 2008 and 2009, organised through prominent indigenous leader Noel Pearson. He taught remedial reading to Aboriginal children; worked with an income management group, helping families manage their welfare payments; and visited children who had not been attending school—with a goal 'to familiarise himself with indigenous issues'. Criticise all you like -  how many other front bench politicians do volunteer work ? We all know volunteer work is only done to gain prestige and further your career in Aboriginal free loading.....No one does volunteer work unless it is for personal gain according to the right....What a self serving wanker Tony Abbott is!!! So any volunteers who vote for Liberal falls into this category then you are a disgrace phil to all volunteers across this great nation I was being sarcastic!!! ::)

8-)

gotcha!

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/book-tackles-dangerous-bullying-abbott/story-fn59niix-1226154470110

TONY Abbott is a bully who hates women, and his outdated social views are a threat to national cohesion and plurality, according to a polemical new book.

In Tony Abbott: A Man's Man, academic and writer Susan Mitchell attempts to deconstruct the Opposition Leader's beliefs and character so that Australians "think again" about the man who came within a whisker of forming government after last year's general election.

Although Mr Abbott has surpassed Julia Gillard as preferred prime minister in the published polls since then, Dr Mitchell argues he is a sore loser, has a sense of entitlement and is driven by rage.

"He is extremely dangerous because he is a man of the past," Dr Mitchell told The Weekend Australian yesterday.

"I can't believe we could end up having a prime minister who doesn't believe a woman should have control over her own body."

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The author blamed Mr Abbott "for a decline in civility in our political discourse", as evidenced by his aggressive campaign against Labor's proposed carbon tax, and accused him of "deeply embedded misogyny".

Dr Mitchell cites Mr Abbott's heated dealings with the Prime Minister, Health Minister Nicola Roxon and female journalists, and his high-profile stands against abortion and gay marriage, as evidence of his bullying of women and religious fundamentalism.

"Tony Abbott is a man educated and mentored by older men; a man who has rarely worked outside institutions created and run by men," she writes. "He is a man . . . unable to comprehend what women -- who are 50 per cent of those Australians he wishes to govern -- need and expect from a modern leader . . . Abbott is not a bad man. Or a mad man. But he is, deep down, a very conservative Catholic man, a driven man, who believes that he has a political and religious mission -- a calling to lead this country -- that justifies everything he does or says. And that could be viewed as making him a dangerous man."

She says he "knows no other world but the one populated with his male heroes", such as former prime minister John Howard and anti-communist B.A. Santamaria. "It is hard to see how such a leader would be able to deal effectively with international leaders to take action on global warming -- not to mention the many citizens who will wish to make Australia their home, or the many citizens who will seek to embrace legislative changes to stem-cell research, euthanasia and gay marriage."

Dr Mitchell charts the Liberal leader's development through Jesuit schools, Sydney and Oxford universities, journalism and politics. She says she did not set out to write a biography, but rather it is a "polemic or analysis".

A spokesman for Mr Abbott said: "Susan Mitchell has not sought to interview Tony as part of her research. The book is so inaccurate and over the top that if it appeared on the ALP website people would dismiss it as lacking all credibility."

Dr Mitchell said: "I hope this book will inform voters.

"In this age of Twitter and Facebook, information is power and if people read this book we can have an informed discussion about how he would change the country. If we get Tony Abbott, this nation will change in a way that would distress many of us."

so who is Susan Mitchell


http://susanmitchell.com.au/
Dr Susan Mitchell broke new ground when she wrote her first book “Tall Poppies”, intimate portraits of successful Australian women. In her following fourteen best- selling and highly acclaimed books she has continued to document and celebrate the vital and dynamic lives of Australian women in sport, politics, the arts, business and many other aspects of Australian life. Her book “Icons, Saints and Divas” documents her ten days with the ten most influential women writers in America and the world.  Most recently she has published the biography of Margaret Whitlam and a collection of portraits of Sonia Mc Mahon, Tamie Fraser and Janette Howard.  She has also written a nonfiction- fiction account of the worst  serial murders in Australia, the “bodies–in-the barrel” killings, titled “All Things Bright and Beautiful”; an inspirational book on the power of praise titled “Be Bold” and her latest, soon to be published book,  deals with how to make the most of your life after fifty.

Susan has a BA from Adelaide University, an MA in Drama and Film from Flinders University and a PHD in Creative Arts at the University of Western Sydney. She is a former senior lecturer in Communications and Creative Writing at The University of South Australia. She is an Emeritus Professor at Flinders University where was recently a Writer-in–Residence and gave the prestigious Elford Lecture on “The Essential Australian Voice.”

Susan is an accomplished radio broadcaster, having presented the morning program on the ABC in Adelaide (where she won “The Better Hearing Award” for clear speech) and the morning program in Brisbane, the early evening and the midnight to dawn program on  2GB in Sydney and the morning program with Maggie Tabberer on 2UE in Sydney.  She was the first television critic on television in Australia on the ABC’s Program “Today at One” and has hosted her own series of interview programs including “Tall Poppies”, “In Conversation with Susan Mitchell” on the ABC and “Vote 1 for Women” on Foxtel. She has also been a cocktail waitress at the Hindhead Country Club in Surrey and a film extra in Crocodile Dundee.

As a journalist she has had a regular column in the OPINION  section of The Australian dealing with political and social issues. She is also well known for her robust sense of humour and had a regular humour column in TheWry Side in The Australian.  She has written feature articles in major newspapers and magazines in Australia and the USA.

She has been a Director on the Literature Board of The Australia Council, on the Board of Film Australia and the Board of The South Australian Tourism Commission.

As a  passionate communicator to the widest possible audience, she is currently a professional media and corporate MC and trainer,  an inspiring and humorous public speaker for both public and corporate orgainsations, a personal teacher of creative writing, biography and memoirs, and a professional author.



the Emeritus Professor can't spell either

Maqqa wrote on Oct 1^st, 2011 at 11:07am:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 1st, 2011 at 11:04am: Maqqa wrote on Oct 1st, 2011 at 10:59am: philperth2010 wrote on Oct 1st, 2011 at 10:32am: Griff wrote on Sep 25th, 2011 at 8:27pm: Abbott is a volunteer surf life saver at Queenscliff , a volunteer member of the NSW Rural Fire Service as a member of the Davidson Rural Fire Brigade. He  has participated in many events for charity including running in a 100 km charity ultramarathon. In April 2007 he launched the tenth annual Pollie Pedal, a charitable event which aimed to raise money for breast cancer research Abbott spent weeks teaching in a remote Aboriginal settlements in Cape York in 2008 and 2009, organised through prominent indigenous leader Noel Pearson. He taught remedial reading to Aboriginal children; worked with an income management group, helping families manage their welfare payments; and visited children who had not been attending school—with a goal 'to familiarise himself with indigenous issues'. Criticise all you like -  how many other front bench politicians do volunteer work ? We all know volunteer work is only done to gain prestige and further your career in Aboriginal free loading.....No one does volunteer work unless it is for personal gain according to the right....What a self serving wanker Tony Abbott is!!! So any volunteers who vote for Liberal falls into this category then you are a disgrace phil to all volunteers across this great nation I was being sarcastic!!! ::) 8-) gotcha!

I thought you where smarter than that Macca???

Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense.
Gertrude Stein (1874 - 1946)

;)

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2011 at 11:17am:

Maqqa wrote on Oct 1st, 2011 at 11:07am: philperth2010 wrote on Oct 1st, 2011 at 11:04am: Maqqa wrote on Oct 1st, 2011 at 10:59am: philperth2010 wrote on Oct 1st, 2011 at 10:32am: Griff wrote on Sep 25th, 2011 at 8:27pm: Abbott is a volunteer surf life saver at Queenscliff , a volunteer member of the NSW Rural Fire Service as a member of the Davidson Rural Fire Brigade. He  has participated in many events for charity including running in a 100 km charity ultramarathon. In April 2007 he launched the tenth annual Pollie Pedal, a charitable event which aimed to raise money for breast cancer research Abbott spent weeks teaching in a remote Aboriginal settlements in Cape York in 2008 and 2009, organised through prominent indigenous leader Noel Pearson. He taught remedial reading to Aboriginal children; worked with an income management group, helping families manage their welfare payments; and visited children who had not been attending school—with a goal 'to familiarise himself with indigenous issues'. Criticise all you like -  how many other front bench politicians do volunteer work ? We all know volunteer work is only done to gain prestige and further your career in Aboriginal free loading.....No one does volunteer work unless it is for personal gain according to the right....What a self serving wanker Tony Abbott is!!! So any volunteers who vote for Liberal falls into this category then you are a disgrace phil to all volunteers across this great nation I was being sarcastic!!! ::) 8-) gotcha! I thought you where smarter than that Macca??? Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense. Gertrude Stein (1874 - 1946) ;)

I am - but you just don't recognise it

Maqqa wrote on Oct 1^st, 2011 at 7:38am:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/the-other-side-of-tony-abbott/story-e6frgd0x-1226154426122 FROM the progressive Left that loathes him to the right-wing free market lobby that distrusts him, Tony Abbott's political character as cautious, conservative and pragmatic remains the source of denial and alarm. Abbott has been the most misunderstood leader of a major political party for many years. Blunder after blunder has been perpetrated by his opponents because they have failed to see what is in front of their eyes, and what Abbott represents. The two great myths are Abbott as extremist and Abbott as ideologue. The Australian public shuns such traits and Abbott's poll ratings affirm this is not how the public sees him. The effort to paint Abbott as extremist and ideologue, once Labor's central strategy, has failed so far. Labor, however, cannot give up. Undermined by its own dysfunction, it will keep playing the Abbott card because it has few other options and is convinced he is a destructive force unfit to become prime minister. Labor's last hope remains a bet against Abbott's political character. This week Peter Costello, who understands Abbott better than most, rapped him over the knuckles for being too soft and cautious on industrial relations reform. Costello's complaint is that Abbott ruled out individual statutory contracts, a policy legislated by the Howard government in 1996 on Coalition and Australian Democrat votes, long before Work Choices. Abbott, in short, has positioned himself to the left of the Australian Democrats circa 1996. Sound extreme to you? No wonder Costello is unhappy. In his book Battlelines, Abbott attacked Work Choices as "a catastrophic political blunder". Indeed, he was one of the least enthusiastic ministers when the Howard cabinet agreed to the policy. Abbott is making crystal clear his attitude in office to industrial relations - he will operate within Julia Gillard's existing laws. Radical IR reform is simply off Abbott's radar. The employer groups will need to get their heads around this reality. Costello's pot shot follows that from Abbott backer and former finance minister Nick Minchin in the partyroom in May accusing Abbott of failing the "good reform" test by not supporting a Labor excise increase. In short, Abbott was too soft and cautious for Minchin's taste on fiscal discipline. Such critiques penetrate both to Abbott's style and substance. Abbott, in case you missed it, does not seek a fifth term for the Howard-Costello government. As far as Abbott is concerned, that government is over. Abbott runs for a first-term Abbott government. It will be different in policy and style, even though John Howard remains his model. How will it be different? Well, Abbott's first-term game plan is on the table now. It will be dominated by four items that reflect Abbott's conservatism applied to the times: the dismantling of the carbon price scheme (the most substantial and risky dismantling of any policy in Australian history), the scaling back and re-defining of the National Broadband Network, the removal of the mining tax and hefty spending cuts to achieve the promised fiscal consolidation. How much detail the Coalition provides on the fiscal side remains to be seen and it refuses to get its policy costed by any government agency. This agenda is heavily negative, but Abbott's retort is the public doesn't buy Labor's reform edifices and wants them dismantled. Abbott's instinctive reply to Minchin in their partyroom exchange was memorable. He said faced with a choice between "policy purity and political pragmatism, I'll take pragmatism every time". It is the antithesis of ideology. As for tactics, Abbott is tracking Howard's 1996 campaign. Just as Howard dismissed any GST, so Abbott dismisses IR reform to counter Labor's inevitable Work Choices scare. Abbott will give Labor nothing - no opening, no break against him. Abbott operates on the assumption of Kevin Rudd's possible return thereby reviving Labor's vote. How dumb would Abbott be to devise bold and risky policies against a weak Gillard only to gift a resurrected Rudd fresh weapons to use against him and reverse the political equation? For the record, Abbott won't be that dumb. Much of the current debate misses the way Abbott frames the political future. His objective is to win and win big. Abbott wants the Australian people to mandate his judgment against Labor and to authorise his dismantling of the Gillard-Rudd legacy. The next election is the opposite of 2010: it will be a turning point poll between radically different programs.

Found this an interesting article, maqqa. I do think people underestimate Abbott. That is not simply a view from a conservative, as I undoubtedly am, but a view from someone who knows more about the paternity story than most would on here. Abbott is a man of fine character.
I find it interesting that many put him down and when I ask them why, they say he is a hypocrite, a religious nutter, a lying so and so...etc. etc. Yet when I ask them to expand on why they think this, they flounder or revert to gossip and innuendo.

The left are definitely at a loss as to how to deal with Abbott.

Not really. I read his book and still found him to be a complete wanker.

Well - not complete. He has grown up a lot since his student days, where he papered the walls of his elite college dorm with pictures of the pope.

And yes, he has actually GONE to Aboriginal communities, which is a lot more than can be said for most.

It's his ideas - his ideology - which I find completely alien. This strange amalgam of Catholic-right and neoliberal world views. It's strange, because the two have traditionally been like oil and water.

Sure he wrote three books. Is anybody reading them?

Abbott's minders are hoping that they don't.

Abbott is an ideologue thrust into a position that requires pragmatism. So far, when he's been in the spotlight, he's got it wrong. His instinct is to explain, to battle it out with words - which is where he trips himself up. I don't see him as an active politician at all, despite all the lifesaving and triathlons. He's a thinker, he mulls things over. Perhaps he WOULD make a good theologian.

Take his stance as a health minister on issues like tobacco and fast food advertising. He always went to where the power was - with the big lobbies. That's his instinct too: to suck up to power and let things happen. His maternity leave stance - and all it was was a stance - was intended to rebadge himself and wedge the government. He learned wedge politics avidly from Howard. Howard held onto aspirational ex-Labor voters all those years by playing the game Abbott's learned so well.

The problem with all this is that Abbott will need to govern. He's lucky, because he's found himself in the middle of a mining boom. But things aren't all that great, as economic and consumer confidence is lower than the 1980s.

Abbott will eventually get the chance to put himself to the test, and after seeing Rudd and Gillard flounder so badly in the polls, it's a sh!t sandwich. He will need to implement actual policies rather than soundbites and dog whistles. It will not be easy for him.

He's shown he can handle the media, which must take its toll on you - and kill lessor mortals - such as Latham. But this is not enough. So far, Abbott has not shown consistency in anything aside from conservative platitudes and monosyllabic soundbites: stop the boats.

Still, I hope he does well. We have no choice in the inevitability of this, do we?

olive wrote on Oct 1^st, 2011 at 11:36am:

Found this an interesting article, maqqa. I do think people underestimate Abbott. That is not simply a view from a conservative, as I undoubtedly am, but a view from someone who knows more about the paternity story than most would on here. Abbott is a man of fine character. I find it interesting that many put him down and when I ask them why, they say he is a hypocrite, a religious nutter, a lying so and so...etc. etc. Yet when I ask them to expand on why they think this, they flounder or revert to gossip and innuendo. The left are definitely at a loss as

exactly olive

I am glad you asked the extra questions because it may have helped that particular person to realised they need an independent thought

AND not to trifle with olive  ;)

Karnal wrote on Oct 1^st, 2011 at 4:35pm:

He's shown he can handle the media, which must take its toll on you - and kill lessor mortals - such as Latham. But this is not enough.

I agree with most of your comments - but I reckon that Abbott only handles the media by tightly controlling the subject matter and whom he speaks to as well as the where and the when...

Cast your mind back to the 2010 Election campaign - and you will recall how badly he responded when he wasn't so much in control of the media circus...

Remember his extraordinarily agitated, brief, narrow and truncated interviews - when he was on the back foot...!?

When (if) Australian journalists start doing their jobs - and Abbott flips back into defensive mode - the electorate will be reminded of the type of 'leader' he would be...

Equitist wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2011 at 8:09pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 1st, 2011 at 4:35pm: He's shown he can handle the media, which must take its toll on you - and kill lessor mortals - such as Latham. But this is not enough. I agree with most of your comments - but I reckon that Abbott only handles the media by tightly controlling the subject matter and whom he speaks to as well as the where and the when... Cast your mind back to the 2010 Election campaign - and you will recall how badly he responded when he wasn't so much in control of the media circus... Remember his extraordinarily agitated, brief, narrow and truncated interviews - when he was on the back foot...!? When (if) Australian journalists start doing their jobs - and Abbott flips back into defensive mode - the electorate will be reminded of the type of 'leader' he would be...

you are such a biased child
abbott threw out rudd. which at that time was unthinkable
then he went into a hairsbreadth of crushing the leftards dream 1st female. she has a vastly biased vote before she begun.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2011 at 8:25pm:

Equitist wrote on Oct 2nd, 2011 at 8:09pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 1st, 2011 at 4:35pm: He's shown he can handle the media, which must take its toll on you - and kill lessor mortals - such as Latham. But this is not enough. I agree with most of your comments - but I reckon that Abbott only handles the media by tightly controlling the subject matter and whom he speaks to as well as the where and the when... Cast your mind back to the 2010 Election campaign - and you will recall how badly he responded when he wasn't so much in control of the media circus... Remember his extraordinarily agitated, brief, narrow and truncated interviews - when he was on the back foot...!? When (if) Australian journalists start doing their jobs - and Abbott flips back into defensive mode - the electorate will be reminded of the type of 'leader' he would be... you are such a biased child abbott threw out rudd. which at that time was unthinkable then he went into a hairsbreadth of crushing the leftards dream 1st female. she has a vastly biased vote before she begun.

Bit of a man crush there Sprint. ;D

I'm told that happens in seminaries a lot...

Cardinal Pell has that problem all the time... Apparently ;D

anything on topic there helian ?
or just happy to infer a homo desire on me ?

well, get buggered.

helian - i have reported you front bottom.

hope you get banned

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2011 at 10:02pm:

anything on topic there helian ? or just happy to infer a homo desire on me ? well, get buggered.

Get buggered? ;D You're really goin with this man crush thing.

What's the day today? Ah yes, Sunday... Back on the turps again, there Sprint.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2011 at 10:07pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2nd, 2011 at 10:02pm: anything on topic there helian ? or just happy to infer a homo desire on me ? well, get buggered. Get buggered? ;D You're really goin with this man crush thing. What's the day today? Ah yes, Sunday... Back on the turps again, there Sprint.

We wouldn't want to infer a homo desire on Sprint. He takes these things very seriously indeed. Now on topic, it is widely reported that Mr Abbott had a sexual encounter in the priesthood that left him wracked with guilt. Hence his remarks on homosexuality, and his candour that it makes him feel deeply uncomfortable.

It is not known whether Mr Cyclist has had such an experience, but perhaps we can infer from the above reference to sodomy.

Not that there's anything wrong with it, Sprint.

Moderator, kindly ban us, thank you.

Karnal wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2011 at 10:33pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 2nd, 2011 at 10:07pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2nd, 2011 at 10:02pm: anything on topic there helian ? or just happy to infer a homo desire on me ? well, get buggered. Get buggered? ;D You're really goin with this man crush thing. What's the day today? Ah yes, Sunday... Back on the turps again, there Sprint. We wouldn't want to infer a homo desire on Sprint. He takes these things very seriously indeed. Now on topic, it is widely reported that Mr Abbott had a sexual encounter in the priesthood that left him wracked with guilt. Hence his remarks on homosexuality, and his candour that it makes him feel deeply uncomfortable. It is not known whether Mr Cyclist has had such an experience, but perhaps we can infer from the above reference to sodomy. Not that there's anything wrong with it, Sprint. Moderator, kindly ban us, thank you.

i have passed yoour request on and look forward to your banning

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2011 at 10:07pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2nd, 2011 at 10:02pm: anything on topic there helian ? or just happy to infer a homo desire on me ? well, get buggered. Get buggered? ;D You're really goin with this man crush thing. What's the day today? Ah yes, Sunday... Back on the turps again, there Sprint.

i have requested again your banning

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2011 at 10:39pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 2nd, 2011 at 10:07pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2nd, 2011 at 10:02pm: anything on topic there helian ? or just happy to infer a homo desire on me ? well, get buggered. Get buggered? ;D You're really goin with this man crush thing. What's the day today? Ah yes, Sunday... Back on the turps again, there Sprint. i have requested again your banning

A humourless quasi-Christian drunk... What a surprise mix... not.  ::)

a leftard who will not tolerate being questioned yet is happy to abuse anyone who differs.


what a limpcock

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2011 at 10:48pm:

a leftard who will not tolerate being questioned yet is happy to abuse anyone who differs. what a limpcock

There you go again with your obsession with male genitalia (not Italy's Number One airline). So let's talk about your wife's genitalia, Sprint... Or would you be offended... Anyway have another sherry... Bottoms up (as you might say) ;D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2011 at 10:48pm:

a leftard who will not tolerate being questioned yet is happy to abuse anyone who differs. what a limpcock

But how  could our friend engage in the pleasures of sodomy with what you describe as a limp cock? Really.

You sound most scorned dear. Or dare I say frustrated?

PSYCHOPATH!!!!