Hot off the press trendsetters, another two people smugglers boats on the way.
One is still in Indon waters, one in international water heading towards Christmas Island with both boats having 60+ each aboard.
Thanks Gillard.

Maybe the fat arse Dalek could put them up at Boganville for a while.  :D :D :D :D :D :D

Maybe all the illegal arrival lovers could put them up themselves?

But wait, thats already been suggested here and all the self righteous advocates of the downtrodden refugees were quick to distance themselves from such a solution ;D

Wow enough people to fill a greyhound bus, that should ruin the country  ;D

Belgarion wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 12:16pm:

Maybe all the illegal arrival lovers could put them up themselves? But wait, thats already been suggested here and all the self righteous advocates of the downtrodden refugees were quick to distance themselves from such a solution ;D

You will find most refugee advocates also put their time and money where their mouths are and help new arrivals to this country in various ways.

adelcrow wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 12:21pm:

Belgarion wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 12:16pm: Maybe all the illegal arrival lovers could put them up themselves? But wait, thats already been suggested here and all the self righteous advocates of the downtrodden refugees were quick to distance themselves from such a solution ;D You will find most refugee advocates also put their time and money where their mouths are and help new arrivals to this country in various ways.

Its just a pity these "new arrivals" you refere to don’t help themselves too much, as even after 5 years, 80% of them are on some form of welfare.  Maybe if the welfare wasn’t such an altercative lure, then things might be different -

adelcrow wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 12:21pm:

Belgarion wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 12:16pm: Maybe all the illegal arrival lovers could put them up themselves? But wait, thats already been suggested here and all the self righteous advocates of the downtrodden refugees were quick to distance themselves from such a solution ;D You will find most refugee advocates also put their time and money where their mouths are and help new arrivals to this country in various ways.

I dont think he is talking about the refugee advocates.. he means those on here...the ones that are all talk and no do..

Belgarion wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 12:16pm:

Maybe all the illegal arrival lovers could put them up themselves? But wait, thats already been suggested here and all the self righteous advocates of the downtrodden refugees were quick to distance themselves from such a solution ;D

I'd love to have them at my place, and the orphaned children, the disabled and abandoned children, and the old homeless people, and the misplaced and downtrodden in this fast paced non-caring world that we call civilised society., but I cant, so I help in other ways.

That's enough preening in public.

Soren wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 1:39pm:

That's enough preening in public.

People hater, or is that just certain people?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 1:46pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 1:39pm: That's enough preening in public. People hater, or is that just certain people?

Why does everything have to be about 'hate' with you lefties?  It's more correctly called 'realism'.

[quote]
As two new boats arrive, Labor calls Tony Abbott a friend to people-smugglers
James Massola From: The Australian September 23, 2011 2:04PM
Julia Gillard attacks the Coalition for opposing its Malaysia Solution following the arrival of two new asylum-seeker boats.
JULIA Gillard has blamed Tony Abbott for the arrival of two new asylum-seeker boats, saying his refusal to back her Malaysian Solution made him responsible for the unauthorised vessels and all others that would follow.
With Australia's border protection system still in limbo, the Prime Minister today urged Mr Abbott to rethink his position and support the government amendments to put offshore processing beyond doubt.

“If Mr Abbott ends the ability of government to process offshore then he must also take the responsibility for the consequences that that lack of resolve will send to people-smugglers,” she told reporters in Canberra.
[quote]



Now this is good coming from her, the leader of the party that tore apart a working border protection program only to install a failed one.
She now has the temerity to say Abbott is the best friend people smugglers ever had.
This government blantant hypocrasy and gross incompetence knows no bounds. >:(

For the few thousand that get here by boat each year its easier and cheaper to process them in Oz in the community

adelcrow wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 2:43pm:

For the few thousand that get here by boat each year its easier and cheaper to process them in Oz in the community

That might happen in your next life adel.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 11:25am:

Hot off the press trendsetters, another two people smugglers boats on the way. One is still in Indon waters, one in international water heading towards Christmas Island with both boats having 60+ each aboard. Thanks Gillard.

SShhh dont tell anyone but at the moment it is Mr Abbott who wants to block legislation and allow the boats to keep comming.

Maybe you would like to help tony out and take a few.

Belgarion wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 12:16pm:

Maybe all the illegal arrival lovers could put them up themselves? But wait, thats already been suggested here and all the self righteous advocates of the downtrodden refugees were quick to distance themselves from such a solution ;D

I'd suggest you check our your long-term memory.  I said I would have no problem.  People helping people - that's what it's about.  Not people thinking they are above other people and being afraid of anything that doesn't look like a vb can or a meat pie.

cods wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 12:36pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 12:21pm: Belgarion wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 12:16pm: Maybe all the illegal arrival lovers could put them up themselves? But wait, thats already been suggested here and all the self righteous advocates of the downtrodden refugees were quick to distance themselves from such a solution ;D You will find most refugee advocates also put their time and money where their mouths are and help new arrivals to this country in various ways. I dont think he is talking about the refugee advocates.. he means those on here...the ones that are all talk and no do..

and who are these you refer to?

... wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 1:53pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 1:46pm: Soren wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 1:39pm: That's enough preening in public. People hater, or is that just certain people? Why does everything have to be about 'hate' with you lefties?  It's more correctly called 'realism'.

Realism is recognising why people are fleeing and seeking a better life.  Hate is whining about it the fact that it's happening.

adelcrow wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 2:43pm:

For the few thousand that get here by boat each year its easier and cheaper to process them in Oz in the community

hummmm and the FEW that get smashed on rocks or blow the boats up bugger them I suppose.... and all the while the people smuggling industry is growing

cods wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 4:00pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 2:43pm: For the few thousand that get here by boat each year its easier and cheaper to process them in Oz in the community hummmm and the FEW that get smashed on rocks or blow the boats up bugger them I suppose.... and all the while the people smuggling industry is growing

Who blew up a boat?

Its quite simple just like in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos we followed the USA into wars in Afghanistan and Iraq that created and caused many thousands of refugees to flee for their lives.
We helped create the Iraq and Afghanistan aslyum seeker problem, not Indonesia or Malaysia and to force these people back into these countries is criminal.
As Ive said on many occaisons on here, you invade a country and bomb it back to the stone age you can expect a flood of asylum seekers to follow so those that supported the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions are also responsible for the mass of asylum seekers they have created.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 3:56pm:

cods wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 12:36pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 12:21pm: Belgarion wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 12:16pm: Maybe all the illegal arrival lovers could put them up themselves? But wait, thats already been suggested here and all the self righteous advocates of the downtrodden refugees were quick to distance themselves from such a solution ;D You will find most refugee advocates also put their time and money where their mouths are and help new arrivals to this country in various ways. I dont think he is talking about the refugee advocates.. he means those on here...the ones that are all talk and no do.. and who are these you refer to?

the ones that call us bad names and racists and bigots because we dont believe in boat people...we belive in having a say in who comes here and not giving that right to people smugglers.. thank you...

yes they call us for everything... and want all those that come by boat to be giving the red carpet treatment... but not at their expense of course..

pansi says she would put her hand up... so would a lot of libs..in fact I have done so not for boat people but kids from unhappy homes..

I usually put my money where my mouth is..

no I doubt very much I would open my home at my expense for someone that can afford to come here by boat..I am not afraid to admit that.

however if they came in by the correct door.. I would most certainly put myself out to help them if I was asked, more especially the young..picky ok.. but I dont call other lousy names because they think different..thats their choice... but dont lets pretend you are St Mother Therese.. when you havent lifted a finger.

cods wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 4:09pm:

the ones that call us bad names and racists and bigots because we dont believe in boat people...we belive in having a say in who comes here and not giving that right to people smugglers.. thank you... yes they call us for everything... and want all those that come by boat to be giving the red carpet treatment... but not at their expense of course.. pansi says she would put her hand up... so would a lot of libs..in fact I have done so not for boat people but kids from unhappy homes.. I usually put my money where my mouth is.. no I doubt very much I would open my home at my expense for someone that can afford to come here by boat..I am not afraid to admit that. however if they came in by the correct door.. I would most certainly put myself out to help them if I was asked, more especially the young..picky ok.. but I dont call other lousy names because they think different..thats their choice... but dont lets pretend you are St Mother Therese.. when you havent lifted a finger.

and what is this correct door?

My point Cods is that those that supported a Howard govt also supported the 2 invasions that created this asylum seeker problem so you can hardly wash your hands of it.
Pushing these people back into war zones or into countries that have not signed the refugee convention or countries that had nothing to do with these invasions is morally bankrupt and ignoring our responsibility to these people.

adelcrow wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 4:18pm:

My point Cods is that those that supported a Howard govt also supported the 2 invasions that created this asylum seeker problem so you can hardly wash your hands of it. Pushing these people back into war zones or into countries that have not signed the refugee convention or countries that had nothing to do with these invasions is morally bankrupt and ignoring our responsibility to these people.

lets not pretend that boat people suddenly appeared after iraw and afghanistan. in fact, according the figures, the worst years were 2000 and 2001 BEFORE those wars. refugees are a constant problem and the assumption that boat people are refugees is naive. with no ID but the money to pay smugglers they are more than likely NOT poltiical refugees but economic ones.

So the driving force behind selling everything and borrowing off friends and family and risking their lives and those of their kids as well as being stuck in Malaysia or Indonesia without access to schools and work for several years and the risk of having their application for refugee status denied is all because of getting a job in a meatworks somewhere in regional Australia?
Somehow..I doubt that very much

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 4:54pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 4:18pm: My point Cods is that those that supported a Howard govt also supported the 2 invasions that created this asylum seeker problem so you can hardly wash your hands of it. Pushing these people back into war zones or into countries that have not signed the refugee convention or countries that had nothing to do with these invasions is morally bankrupt and ignoring our responsibility to these people. lets not pretend that boat people suddenly appeared after iraw and afghanistan. in fact, according the figures, the worst years were 2000 and 2001 BEFORE those wars. refugees are a constant problem and the assumption that boat people are refugees is naive. with no ID but the money to pay smugglers they are more than likely NOT poltiical refugees but economic ones.

Yes, you gotta love the general statements of fact without any actual evidence.  9 out of 10 are GENUINE refugees. THAT is a fact.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 3:57pm:

... wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 1:53pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 1:46pm: Soren wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 1:39pm: That's enough preening in public. People hater, or is that just certain people? Why does everything have to be about 'hate' with you lefties?  It's more correctly called 'realism'. Realism is recognising why people are fleeing and seeking a better life.  Hate is whining about it the fact that it's happening.

Realism is understanding you can't help everyone, and nor are you obliged to, especially when there is no benefit for doing so.

It also pays to understand that crap countries are crap because their citizens made it that way, and will do the same to any place they hang their hats.

adelcrow wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 5:00pm:

So the driving force behind selling everything and borrowing off friends and family and risking their lives and those of their kids as well as being stuck in Malaysia or Indonesia without access to schools and work for several years and the risk of having their application for refugee status denied is all because of getting a job in a meatworks somewhere in regional Australia? Somehow..I doubt that very much

freedom is usually valued about all else. but the fact they destroy all identification and can somehow afford to pay the smugglers is suggestive tho, isnt it?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 5:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 4:54pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 4:18pm: My point Cods is that those that supported a Howard govt also supported the 2 invasions that created this asylum seeker problem so you can hardly wash your hands of it. Pushing these people back into war zones or into countries that have not signed the refugee convention or countries that had nothing to do with these invasions is morally bankrupt and ignoring our responsibility to these people. lets not pretend that boat people suddenly appeared after iraw and afghanistan. in fact, according the figures, the worst years were 2000 and 2001 BEFORE those wars. refugees are a constant problem and the assumption that boat people are refugees is naive. with no ID but the money to pay smugglers they are more than likely NOT poltiical refugees but economic ones. Yes, you gotta love the general statements of fact without any actual evidence.  9 out of 10 are GENUINE refugees. THAT is a fact.

who amazingly have the money - and lots of it - to pay smugglers AND no ID?

and even if they ARE refugees they are still illegal because there is a QUEUE and queue-jumpers are still just that - illegals.

This government now resolves to blaming other people for their mistakes

How many believes this line of defence from Labor?

Evidently 26%

Maqqa wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 6:58pm:

This government now resolves to blaming other people for their mistakes How many believes this line of defence from Labor? Evidently 26%

Only 4% less than the Libs got at the last election, theyre almost even  ;D

This thread reads like a Landmark convention...I know some Landmark indoctrinated people..They have NO humanity at all. They seem to only care about themselves and who they can climb the ladder of success with/through.

Horrible.

My old 88 years old French aunty once said to me - 'When the world loses it's humanity the world is a dark place'.

You better believe it.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 5:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 4:54pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 4:18pm: My point Cods is that those that supported a Howard govt also supported the 2 invasions that created this asylum seeker problem so you can hardly wash your hands of it. Pushing these people back into war zones or into countries that have not signed the refugee convention or countries that had nothing to do with these invasions is morally bankrupt and ignoring our responsibility to these people. lets not pretend that boat people suddenly appeared after iraw and afghanistan. in fact, according the figures, the worst years were 2000 and 2001 BEFORE those wars. refugees are a constant problem and the assumption that boat people are refugees is naive. with no ID but the money to pay smugglers they are more than likely NOT poltiical refugees but economic ones. Yes, you gotta love the general statements of fact without any actual evidence.  9 out of 10 are GENUINE refugees. THAT is a fact.

Government lackeys ignoring advice and overriding the decisions made by ASIO and DIAC does not make these people genuine refugees.

They are nothing more than opportunistic country shoppers, and the only ones suggesting they are legitmate asylum seekers are the parasites making a living of them.

I would certainly like to know what makes them a legitmate asylum seekers fleeing Indonesia & Malaysia.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 5:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 4:54pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 4:18pm: My point Cods is that those that supported a Howard govt also supported the 2 invasions that created this asylum seeker problem so you can hardly wash your hands of it. Pushing these people back into war zones or into countries that have not signed the refugee convention or countries that had nothing to do with these invasions is morally bankrupt and ignoring our responsibility to these people. lets not pretend that boat people suddenly appeared after iraw and afghanistan. in fact, according the figures, the worst years were 2000 and 2001 BEFORE those wars. refugees are a constant problem and the assumption that boat people are refugees is naive. with no ID but the money to pay smugglers they are more than likely NOT poltiical refugees but economic ones. Yes, you gotta love the general statements of fact without any actual evidence.  9 out of 10 are GENUINE refugees. THAT is a fact.

The how come only 43% were accepted in Nauru?

Gillard's language in this Immigration debate has degraded into a domestic violence excuse

How you may ask?

The abuser seems to blame everyone else for their problems

The abuser never acknowledge it is them that is the cause of the violence

They end up saying "If she didn't talk back to me then I wouldn't have hit her?" ie in this case he puts the blame back on the wife

Likewise Gillard now tells us that if Abbott wants to stop the boats then he has to support her bad policy.

Can't remember Gillard ever stood up and said "We were wrong in 2007 to stop the essence of the Pacific Solution"

Instead she now nit-picks on why Nauru is no good - the same way a domestic abuser will nit-pick on why he hits his wife eg the way she talks, the way she looks at others, the way she cooks his meals, the way she dress etc.

Gillard is an abuser - do not allow this latest tact fool you

I think it is better to start accepting more ppl from countries like Greece, Ireland, Spain etc instead of those THING, as they are all Muslim and have no value to the society. Lets start helping our fellow bros in europe.

Kenny wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 1:44pm:

I think it is better to start accepting more ppl from countries like Greece, Ireland, Spain etc instead of those THING, as they are all Muslim and have no value to the society. Lets start helping our fellow bros in europe.

we havent stopped accepting migrants from those countries.. but they are not asylum seekers.. and to my knowledge never have been..

the difference bewtween a migrant and an asylum seeker.. is if you wish to migrat here you have to apply and you have to come up to certain standards... health is one..financial is another.skills is another all sorts of things one has to pass.. however when you come off a boat..you dont have to have any of those... its all about what you have left behind.. true or false.... and its all about who can pay the people smugglers.. and its usually men young men..funny that.

Maqqa wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:22pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 5:03pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 4:54pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 4:18pm: My point Cods is that those that supported a Howard govt also supported the 2 invasions that created this asylum seeker problem so you can hardly wash your hands of it. Pushing these people back into war zones or into countries that have not signed the refugee convention or countries that had nothing to do with these invasions is morally bankrupt and ignoring our responsibility to these people. lets not pretend that boat people suddenly appeared after iraw and afghanistan. in fact, according the figures, the worst years were 2000 and 2001 BEFORE those wars. refugees are a constant problem and the assumption that boat people are refugees is naive. with no ID but the money to pay smugglers they are more than likely NOT poltiical refugees but economic ones. Yes, you gotta love the general statements of fact without any actual evidence.  9 out of 10 are GENUINE refugees. THAT is a fact. The how come only 43% were accepted in Nauru?

Mainly because the NZ' ers thought our treatment was abysmal and took about half of them before we processed and accepted them into Australia - you statistic gives a very false impression.

Well over 90% have always been found to be legitimate refugees and end up in Australia.

Your number comes from a one off situation when we had embarrassed ourselves.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/09/21/1226143/081377-asylum-seekers.jpg

About 9000 applications were lodged by air arrivals in the past 18 months - more than triple the number of refugee claims made by boat people.





buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 10:51pm:

Make way for jetset asylum seekers September 22, 2011 ASYLUM claims by people who fly to Australia have doubled in the past five years, figures show. About 9000 applications were lodged by air arrivals in the past 18 months - more than triple the number of refugee claims made by boat people China was the biggest source of applicants, followed by Fiji, Pakistan and Iran, according to an Immigration Department report. Monash University associate researcher Adrienne Millbank said it was virtually impossible for genuine asylum seekers to come by plane because of strict vetting of visa applicants by immigration authorities. Ms Millbank said most people who arrived by air and then made refugee claims were manipulating the system to extend their stay in Australia. "You can certainly say that these people are untruthful because they have to declare when they get a visa that they're not intending to apply for asylum," she said. "They are no more deserving than the people who pay for people smugglers because in one case they are manipulating the system and in the other case they are trying to break in illegally" About 6000 air arrivals lodged claims last year, compared with 3190 in 2005-06, said the report Asylum Statistics Australia 2010-11. More than 90 per cent of Iranians, Afghanis and Iraqis were successful in 2009-10, while Chinese had a 42 per cent success rate, Lebanese (33.7 per cent), Fijians (16 per cent) and Indians (12.9 per cent). Asylum Seeker Resource Centre spokesman Pamela Curr said the department did not publish figures on the number of people turned around at Australian airports before they had a chance to make refugee claims. Ms Curr said some people on visitor and student visas made asylum claims in a bid to prolong their stay in Australia, but many air arrivals had genuine reasons for seeking refugee status. "With the recent trouble in North Africa and the Arab world, we are seeing applicants from countries like Syria, Egypt and Bahrain," she said. "We are also seeing more Iranians because of the unrest in Iran two years ago." The report said there were 2172 asylum claims lodged by boat people last year, compared with 228 in 2008-09 and 21 in 2007-08. In the first six months of 2010-11, the biggest number of refugee claims came from Afghanistan (1118). Then followed Iran (809), stateless persons (655), Iraq (405) and Sri Lanka (251). http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/make-way-for-jetset-asylum-seekers/story-fn7x8me2-1226143002905