A few seem to think Labor is about to rise significantly in the polls.

Lets see what everyone thinks. POll to follow.

It is currently 59/41 2PP.

predictions?

I'll look at the polls in 2 yrs time, if they are crap for Labor they will lose govt but for now they mean nothing except to keep a few polsters in work between elections  ;D

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 1:36pm:

It is currently 59/41 2PP. predictions?

What do you think of today's findings  that Abbotts plan for a price on carbon will cost double that of the Labor party????

adelcrow wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 1:39pm:

I'll look at the polls in 2 yrs time, if they are crap for Labor they will lose govt but for now they mean nothing except to keep a few polsters in work between elections  ;D

ah sounds like your team is losing adel..lol..hey the swans won!

adelcrow wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 1:39pm:

I'll look at the polls in 2 yrs time, if they are crap for Labor they will lose govt but for now they mean nothing except to keep a few polsters in work between elections  ;D

and it would cost you what to have an opinion? you lefties and laborites certinaly are extraordinarily bad losers.

skippy. wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 1:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 15th, 2011 at 1:36pm: It is currently 59/41 2PP. predictions? What do you think of today's findings  that Abbotts plan for a price on carbon will cost double that of the Labor party????

dont give a stuff just as neither will the voters. they hate labor with a passion. gonna make a prediction or not?

adelcrow wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 1:39pm:

I'll look at the polls in 2 yrs time, if they are crap for Labor they will lose govt but for now they mean nothing except to keep a few polsters in work between elections  ;D

Two years from now I think Labor will be a shadow of its former self...

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 1:43pm:

skippy. wrote on Sep 15th, 2011 at 1:41pm: longweekend58 wrote on Sep 15th, 2011 at 1:36pm: It is currently 59/41 2PP. predictions? What do you think of today's findings  that Abbotts plan for a price on carbon will cost double that of the Labor party???? dont give a stuff just as neither will the voters. they hate labor with a passion. gonna make a prediction or not?

So you have the hypocrisy to bag Labors plan yet will vote for a policy that will cost the Australian public double that of Labor. I disagree, when this point is hammered home on the electorate Abbott's lead will diminish very quickly, it will just highlight what a lying piece of hypocritical sh it he is.
Mix that with the fact by the time the next election happens he wont be able to use his stop the boats hysteria due to offshore processing being illegal, and I say the faggot little prick is buggered, even Gillard if she's still around will beat him. That is  of course why you and the rest of the congo line are so keen for an election now, but suck it up, congo boy, ain't gonna happen. ;D ;D ;D

60/40 is looking good. You should have done a few in the 5 increments above that.

You dont need to be a rocket scientist to know that unless they follow a popularist line all govts will be low in the polls while they are introducing ground breaking policies.
I reckon Labor will be low in the polls for the next 6-12 mths and then they will be throwing everything into getting re elected, middle class welfare, pensioner handouts, reffo bashing etc...exactly the same pattern as the Howard govt followed. So if they cant turn the polls around they will lose govt in 2 yrs time..quite simple really  :D

adelcrow wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 1:59pm:

You dont need to be a rocket scientist to know that unless they follow a popularist line all govts will be low in the polls while they are introducing ground breaking policies. I reckon Labor will be low in the polls for the next 6-12 mths and then they will be throwing everything into getting re elected, middle class welfare, pensioner handouts, reffo bashing etc...exactly the same pattern as the Howard govt followed. So if they cant turn the polls around they will lose govt in 2 yrs time..quite simple really  :D

hey are you not one of those that claim Howard didnt give the pensioners a thing..lol..this TAX wil have to get through before they can do any handing out me thinks.

adelcrow wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 1:59pm:

You dont need to be a rocket scientist to know that unless they follow a popularist line all govts will be low in the polls while they are introducing ground breaking policies. I reckon Labor will be low in the polls for the next 6-12 mths and then they will be throwing everything into getting re elected, middle class welfare, pensioner handouts, reffo bashing etc...exactly the same pattern as the Howard govt followed. So if they cant turn the polls around they will lose govt in 2 yrs time..quite simple really  :D

It is not earth shattering to know that if you lie to the Australian people to get elected, that your arse will be handed back to you in spades.

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 2:56pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 15th, 2011 at 1:59pm: You dont need to be a rocket scientist to know that unless they follow a popularist line all govts will be low in the polls while they are introducing ground breaking policies. I reckon Labor will be low in the polls for the next 6-12 mths and then they will be throwing everything into getting re elected, middle class welfare, pensioner handouts, reffo bashing etc...exactly the same pattern as the Howard govt followed. So if they cant turn the polls around they will lose govt in 2 yrs time..quite simple really  :D It is not earth shattering to know that if you lie to the Australian people to get elected, that your arse will be handed back to you in spades.

Name one political party in this countries history that didnt lie to gain power?

adelcrow wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 3:01pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 15th, 2011 at 2:56pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 15th, 2011 at 1:59pm: You dont need to be a rocket scientist to know that unless they follow a popularist line all govts will be low in the polls while they are introducing ground breaking policies. I reckon Labor will be low in the polls for the next 6-12 mths and then they will be throwing everything into getting re elected, middle class welfare, pensioner handouts, reffo bashing etc...exactly the same pattern as the Howard govt followed. So if they cant turn the polls around they will lose govt in 2 yrs time..quite simple really  :D It is not earth shattering to know that if you lie to the Australian people to get elected, that your arse will be handed back to you in spades. Name one political party in this countries history that didnt lie to gain power?

Better yet, compare your known lies to Juliar.

adelcrow wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 3:01pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 15th, 2011 at 2:56pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 15th, 2011 at 1:59pm: You dont need to be a rocket scientist to know that unless they follow a popularist line all govts will be low in the polls while they are introducing ground breaking policies. I reckon Labor will be low in the polls for the next 6-12 mths and then they will be throwing everything into getting re elected, middle class welfare, pensioner handouts, reffo bashing etc...exactly the same pattern as the Howard govt followed. So if they cant turn the polls around they will lose govt in 2 yrs time..quite simple really  :D It is not earth shattering to know that if you lie to the Australian people to get elected, that your arse will be handed back to you in spades. Name one political party in this countries history that didnt lie to gain power?

But when they changed their minds - they've always taken it to the next election

Everyone except Gillard methinks

how did your predictions pan out? and for those predicting a RISE in Labors polls???

Hey, what happened to this fortnight's Newspoll!?

Could it be that Newspoll and the un-Australian editors of the Australian Newspaper didn't like the results...again!?


http://www.newspoll.com.au/cgi-bin/polling/display_poll_data.pl?url_caller=latest&state=Any&mode=file&page=Search

http://www.newspoll.com.au/images/logo_newspoll.gif


Quote:

Opinion Polls Search results 1 to 15 of 1513    04/10/11:Quarterly reading of Western Australia voting intention and leaders’ ratings    28/09/11:Quarterly reading of Queensland voting intention and leaders’ ratings    27/09/11:Geographic and demographic analysis - Voting intention and leaders’ ratings    20/09/11:Federal voting intention and leaders’ ratings    06/09/11:Federal voting intention and leaders’ ratings    06/09/11:Best Leader    05/09/11:Asylum Seekers    31/08/11:Bimonthly reading of Victorian voting intention and leaders’ ratings    23/08/11:Federal voting intention and leaders’ ratings    09/08/11:Federal voting intention and leaders’ ratings    25/07/11:Federal voting intention and leaders’ ratings    25/07/11:Carbon Price    18/07/11:Ashgrove Electorate Poll    12/07/11:Federal voting intention and leaders’ ratings    12/07/11:Carbon Price

could it be people are sick of being asked the same boring question.. who would you prefer for PM... rudd or gillard..

lets face it  its a bit of a non event.. they are both useless.

cods wrote on Oct 5^th, 2011 at 5:10pm:

could it be people are sick of being asked the same boring question.. who would you prefer for PM... rudd or gillard.. lets face it  its a bit of a non event.. they are both useless.

It is a dogs breakfast for labor, so what is the point of every 2 weeks. Waste of recourses.

Give it to us every 3 months and the results will be almost the same.

You can have my poll right now - Labs are finished, finished in NSW, finished Federally the same way next election, then they won't be back ever, too old fashioned, too out of date, too much antiquated marxism and all that socialist garbage

2012 will see the beginning of a change in human thinking, lies and deceit will go, along with the libs and labs - finito

No more smart ass mob rule, no more disenfranchising people and no more monetary hanouts

No more freedom destroying sayings like - "It's easier to pay a fine than it is to go to court"

No more throwing aluminium cans in rubbish bins

No more burning out your neighbors power tools and

No more sneakily driving 5 kph over the speed limit in built up areas

Equitist wrote on Oct 5^th, 2011 at 2:44pm:

Hey, what happened to this fortnight's Newspoll!? Could it be that Newspoll and the un-Australian editors of the Australian Newspaper didn't like the results...again!? http://www.newspoll.com.au/cgi-bin/polling/display_poll_data.pl?url_caller=latest&state=Any&mode=file&page=Search http://www.newspoll.com.au/images/logo_newspoll.gif Quote: Opinion Polls Search results 1 to 15 of 1513    04/10/11:Quarterly reading of Western Australia voting intention and leaders’ ratings    28/09/11:Quarterly reading of Queensland voting intention and leaders’ ratings    27/09/11:Geographic and demographic analysis - Voting intention and leaders’ ratings    20/09/11:Federal voting intention and leaders’ ratings    06/09/11:Federal voting intention and leaders’ ratings    06/09/11:Best Leader    05/09/11:Asylum Seekers    31/08/11:Bimonthly reading of Victorian voting intention and leaders’ ratings    23/08/11:Federal voting intention and leaders’ ratings    09/08/11:Federal voting intention and leaders’ ratings    25/07/11:Federal voting intention and leaders’ ratings    25/07/11:Carbon Price    18/07/11:Ashgrove Electorate Poll    12/07/11:Federal voting intention and leaders’ ratings    12/07/11:Carbon Price

True Nem. I was wondering why we didn't hear anything yesterday, too.

Labor will have to hold firm between now and the carbon tax introduction. After then when the world does not end they might improve markedly depending on how they handle the promotional side.

nairbe wrote on Oct 5^th, 2011 at 8:06pm:

Labor will have to hold firm between now and the carbon tax introduction. After then when the world does not end they might improve markedly depending on how they handle the promotional side.

True, because the carbon tax will save Kakadu Natonal Park and The Great Barrier Reef. Surely people will see that!

matty wrote on Oct 5^th, 2011 at 9:30pm:

nairbe wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 8:06pm: Labor will have to hold firm between now and the carbon tax introduction. After then when the world does not end they might improve markedly depending on how they handle the promotional side. True, because the carbon tax will save Kakadu Natonal Park and The Great Barrier Reef. Surely people will see that!

Want it be great. After paying the tax and just before the election, lets see how many countries have been swayed because of our superman cape.

matty wrote on Oct 5^th, 2011 at 9:30pm:

nairbe wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 8:06pm: Labor will have to hold firm between now and the carbon tax introduction. After then when the world does not end they might improve markedly depending on how they handle the promotional side. True, because the carbon tax will save Kakadu Natonal Park and The Great Barrier Reef. Surely people will see that!

Well matty as is the normal in your ignorant world of alice in wonderland you have no vision, people will become suspicious of abbott when his "the sky is falling" mantra over the carbon tax proves not to exist. As things like the increase in the tax free threshold and compensation come in and they face a rise in their power bill from say $300 per quater to $302.10 an increase of 0.023 cents per day, that a little being careful means more money in my pocket. That might mean a reduction in power consumption to save money, OH! geez that would mean a reduction in emissions how odd. Anytime you change tax, prices will increase. What do you think Howard did the FTB for. It was to reduce pressure on wages and inflation so that he could pretend the economy was doing better than it was after the GST increase hit. He managed to increase the welfare bill enormously to a point that we cannot afford it but any suggestion that it be cut is met with outrage in the community. You really need to awaken from your haze of lib licking and realise there are no good politicians only power hungry and greedy ones.

Well matty as is the normal in your ignorant world of alice in wonderland you have no vision, people will become suspicious of abbott when his "the sky is falling" mantra over the carbon tax proves not to exist
EXACXTLY

You guys are riding your hopes on a government that can't get much right, to get the compensation right. Good luck with that.

You also have the problem that either people will not be hurt (compensation vs tax price hikes) and not feel any better or worse, and you have people that will get hurt by the tax.

Either way, the people will still be angry at being lied to because they are no better, no worse, or worse off.

Good luck with that.

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 6^th, 2011 at 8:39am:

You guys are riding your hopes on a government that can't get much right, to get the compensation right. Good luck with that. You also have the problem that either people will not be hurt (compensation vs tax price hikes) and not feel any better or worse, and you have people that will get hurt by the tax. Either way, the people will still be angry at being lied to because they are no better, no worse, or worse off. Good luck with that.

Labors polls wont change until they dump,Gillard, if they are smart they'll wait until a couple of months out from the next election,then the libs will be stuck with Abbott, and buggered, because Crean or Rudd will kick Abbotts ass, and if Rudd is re elected the punters will think they got their way, I can already smell yet another Labor victory, but this time with a majority. ;D

nairbe wrote on Oct 6^th, 2011 at 6:42am:

matty wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 9:30pm: nairbe wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 8:06pm: Labor will have to hold firm between now and the carbon tax introduction. After then when the world does not end they might improve markedly depending on how they handle the promotional side. True, because the carbon tax will save Kakadu Natonal Park and The Great Barrier Reef. Surely people will see that! Well matty as is the normal in your ignorant world of alice in wonderland you have no vision, people will become suspicious of abbott when his "the sky is falling" mantra over the carbon tax proves not to exist. As things like the increase in the tax free threshold and compensation come in and they face a rise in their power bill from say $300 per quater to $302.10 an increase of 0.023 cents per day, that a little being careful means more money in my pocket. That might mean a reduction in power consumption to save money, OH! geez that would mean a reduction in emissions how odd. Anytime you change tax, prices will increase. What do you think Howard did the FTB for. It was to reduce pressure on wages and inflation so that he could pretend the economy was doing better than it was after the GST increase hit. He managed to increase the welfare bill enormously to a point that we cannot afford it but any suggestion that it be cut is met with outrage in the community. You really need to awaken from your haze of lib licking and realise there are no good politicians only power hungry and greedy ones.

Keep dreaming love.

I'll share with you a good quip that Kim Carr stated at a lunch I was at recently -

"Clearly the Australian people don't like the parliament that they have given us that much is true. But it is our belief that it will run a full course and that over time our popularity will return to allow us to achieve possible re-election"

He delivered it dead-pan too so I am wondering if it was indeed the joke my colleague and I took it for.

Look at the big issues:

BOATS:
Labor has actually done some handy ground work by diverting the boats issue back on Abbott and his blocking of off-shore processing.  
You can see Abbott already backing away from his "stop the boats" mantra.   They have at least laid some ground work there, which they can reap at election time.

CARBON TAX:
Will be done and dusted by then.  I doubt it will be a big issue.  Gillard lied about doing it. Abbott lied about it being the end of the world. Nill all draw, although expect labor to claim back some green voters they lost last time.

NBN:
Notice how this has gone off the radar recently. The liberals know its very popular, and as the roll out continues, so does the momentum slowly build.  If they get enough of it installed before the next election, then labor can run a scare campain that those who have missed out will miss out forever if Abbott cans it.

ECONOMY:
All rests on whether Labor can bring the budget back to surplus in the time frame they have stated, and if the mining boom continues at election time.  End of the boom would expose the poor state of the rest of the economy and be a death blow to the government.

INTEREST RATES:
Remember them?  They used to be the be all and end all of election campains.   This is a trump card labor hasnt used yet.

PERSONALITY:
Gillard is dull and Abbott is sleazy.  A loose, loose situation nulifying themselves. If either party pulls the trigger for a leadership change they will take the advantage here (except for maybe, Crean).

WASTAGE:
Labor has had a few failed schemes which the libs have exploited, but most can be pushed to the "Rudd era" and the spending stimulus. Libs will have to work hard here, and Labor cant afford any more.

WORK CHOICES:
Abbott will be hoping Reith shuts his big mouth.  Labor will be hoping he opens it.  Hard to imagine a worse policy politically. A scheme that lasted less than a year (?) under howard could heavily influence the  3 subsequent elections.

matty wrote on Oct 5^th, 2011 at 7:03pm:

Equitist wrote on Oct 5th, 2011 at 2:44pm: Hey, what happened to this fortnight's Newspoll!? Could it be that Newspoll and the un-Australian editors of the Australian Newspaper didn't like the results...again!? http://www.newspoll.com.au/cgi-bin/polling/display_poll_data.pl?url_caller=latest&state=Any&mode=file&page=Search http://www.newspoll.com.au/images/logo_newspoll.gif Quote: Opinion Polls Search results 1 to 15 of 1513    04/10/11:Quarterly reading of Western Australia voting intention and leaders’ ratings    28/09/11:Quarterly reading of Queensland voting intention and leaders’ ratings    27/09/11:Geographic and demographic analysis - Voting intention and leaders’ ratings    20/09/11:Federal voting intention and leaders’ ratings    06/09/11:Federal voting intention and leaders’ ratings    06/09/11:Best Leader    05/09/11:Asylum Seekers    31/08/11:Bimonthly reading of Victorian voting intention and leaders’ ratings    23/08/11:Federal voting intention and leaders’ ratings    09/08/11:Federal voting intention and leaders’ ratings    25/07/11:Federal voting intention and leaders’ ratings    25/07/11:Carbon Price    18/07/11:Ashgrove Electorate Poll    12/07/11:Federal voting intention and leaders’ ratings    12/07/11:Carbon Price True Nem. I was wondering why we didn't hear anything yesterday, too.

NewsPOll is COMMISSION (ie paid for) by the australian. maybe they got sick of paying for it every fortnight only to be attacked by teh govt for being bearers of bad news.

skippy. wrote on Oct 6^th, 2011 at 10:52am:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 6th, 2011 at 8:39am: You guys are riding your hopes on a government that can't get much right, to get the compensation right. Good luck with that. You also have the problem that either people will not be hurt (compensation vs tax price hikes) and not feel any better or worse, and you have people that will get hurt by the tax. Either way, the people will still be angry at being lied to because they are no better, no worse, or worse off. Good luck with that. Labors polls wont change until they dump,Gillard, if they are smart they'll wait until a couple of months out from the next election,then the libs will be stuck with Abbott, and buggered, because Crean or Rudd will kick Abbotts ass, and if Rudd is re elected the punters will think they got their way, I can already smell yet another Labor victory, but this time with a majority. ;D

language skippy. tone it back.

skippy. wrote on Oct 6^th, 2011 at 10:52am:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 6th, 2011 at 8:39am: You guys are riding your hopes on a government that can't get much right, to get the compensation right. Good luck with that. You also have the problem that either people will not be hurt (compensation vs tax price hikes) and not feel any better or worse, and you have people that will get hurt by the tax. Either way, the people will still be angry at being lied to because they are no better, no worse, or worse off. Good luck with that. Labors polls wont change until they dump,Gillard, if they are smart they'll wait until a couple of months out from the next election,then the libs will be stuck with Abbott, and buggered, because Crean or Rudd will kick Abbotts ass, and if Rudd is re elected the punters will think they got their way, I can already smell yet another Labor victory, but this time with a majority. ;D

Abbott has handed Rudd his backside back to him once before, and is now about to hand Ms 26% Gillard hers.
Crean has previously shown himself to be unelectable.
And unless Labor finds the packet of 'Competence' in the bathroom cupboard, their slide downwards is inevitable.
What you are smelling though, is absolute fear from Labor.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 6^th, 2011 at 11:35am:

Look at the big issues: NBN: Notice how this has gone off the radar recently. The liberals know its very popular, and as the roll out continues, so does the momentum slowly build.  If they get enough of it installed before the next election, then labor can run a scare campain that those who have missed out will miss out forever if Abbott cans it.

Opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull said Australia’s NBN was the “telecommunication’s version of Cuba” due to its reliance on the government to provide the necessary infrastructure.

Compared to this government, Greece looks thrifty.

Soren wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 1:11pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 6th, 2011 at 11:35am: Look at the big issues: NBN: Notice how this has gone off the radar recently. The liberals know its very popular, and as the roll out continues, so does the momentum slowly build.  If they get enough of it installed before the next election, then labor can run a scare campain that those who have missed out will miss out forever if Abbott cans it. Opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull said Australia’s NBN was the “telecommunication’s version of Cuba” due to its reliance on the government to provide the necessary infrastructure. Compared to this government, Greece looks thrifty.

Yer, and next time you try to locate Greece and Cuba on a world map - I suggest you use a magnifying glass!

FFS, Australia has a small, ubiquitously-spread population and a large land mass - hence it isn't commercially viable for private enterprise to provide national services and infrastructure!

Hence the Howardian Libs fecked-up badly when they designed the poorly-conceived sale of Telstra in the first instance!

Hence the need for the current Govt to act remedy the failure of private enterprise to deliver high quality internet infrastructure to most parts of the country!

skippy. wrote on Oct 6^th, 2011 at 10:52am:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 6th, 2011 at 8:39am: You guys are riding your hopes on a government that can't get much right, to get the compensation right. Good luck with that. You also have the problem that either people will not be hurt (compensation vs tax price hikes) and not feel any better or worse, and you have people that will get hurt by the tax. Either way, the people will still be angry at being lied to because they are no better, no worse, or worse off. Good luck with that. Labors polls wont change until they dump,Gillard, if they are smart they'll wait until a couple of months out from the next election,then the libs will be stuck with Abbott, and buggered, because Crean or Rudd will kick Abbotts ass, and if Rudd is re elected the punters will think they got their way, I can already smell yet another Labor victory, but this time with a majority. ;D

Well lets look at it logically.

Labor introduced the carbon tax.
Labor lied to us Australians.
Rudd and Crean voted the carbon tax in.

Well that isn't looking good for labor or Rudd/Crean.

Even worse for Rudd. He was kissing Gillard after the carbon tax got in.