It really is true that Australians don't know how good they have it.

Labors poll results are the worst they've been in years. Gillard is almost universally disliked, yet Australia's economy grew by 1.2% in the last quarter.

Clearly, as we all well know, Australia could be in a much worse predicament then it is. Tony Abbott's doom and gloom negativity has so far proven to be hot air, yet Labor straddles oblivion at 27%.

Why? Is it because Australians hate being lied to? Perhaps, which is why I have settled on the fact that Labors only problem right now is Gillard. The Malaysia Solution falling to pieces was, for me at least, the straw that broke the camels back as far as Gillard is concerned.

Which brings me to the chatter about Rudd. With Newspoll results higher then that of both Abbott and Gillard, I think members from both sides of politics are drastically underestimating just how much of an effect Rudds return to the top job would have. It would at the very least be a tell on the relevency of Polls when it comes to the popularity of a party as a whole, or just its leader.

Again, I reiterate my belief that the only real poll that matters is the one with real electoral votes involved, and Gillard may yet pull off one of the greatest miracles in Australian Political History; However, personally, I sit in the Centre Left position of hoping that rumors of a powerbroker deadline for the end of the year for Gillard to turn things around holds true.

My opinion that Rudd was not given enough of a chance has not changed; the man led us through the GFC and began a major infrastructure reform. That's enough clout for me to believe he is better then either Gillard or Abbott.

As far as LongWeekends mutual opinion, If I were you, I would be careful what I wish for. You can understate Rudds potential impact all you want, but his return might herald the end of more MPs then just Gillard and Swan.

Do what I do. Laugh.
It can only get funnier with Mr Abbott at the helm.

Honestly, it really doesn't matter who's in. The nation kicks along at a pleasant pace. It's pretty much only the extremists on all sides on forums like this who get their knickers in knot about each and every action and decision the government make.

In a word: whining for whinings sake.

Thanks Howard and Costello

Now go away labor. We dont like to be lied to. We dont like our fortunes squandered. We dont like someone telling us how our life is going to be regardless of what we have to say about it. We dont like our government screwing up almost anything it touches.

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 9:58pm:

Thanks Howard and Costello Now go away labor. We dont like to be lied to. We dont like our fortunes sqaundered. We dont like someone telling us how our life is going to be regardless of what we have to say about it. We dont like our governemnt screwing up almost anything it touches.

And that holds equally true for the Coalition.

If not more-so.

AFAIC, they can ALL (Labor, Libs, Greens and
the indies, go to Hell, where they belong.

And who provide's governance? workers councils?

I think it's highly unlikely that Rudd will lead the ALP again giving the fact that the faceless men of the right-wing oppose him vehemently.

Stewart wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 10:16pm:

And who provide's governance? workers councils? I think it's highly unlikely that Rudd will lead the ALP again giving the fact that the faceless men of the right-wing oppose him vehemently.

I think they are all sitting watching their careers go down the gurgle..

those who assassinated rudd and those that now support gillard..

there isnt much left really.. rudd could I would think be very very nasty god only knows what he is doing in the back ground..sharpening more knives maybe???

GoddyofOz wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 9:14pm:

It really is true that Australians don't know how good they have it. Labors poll results are the worst they've been in years. Gillard is almost universally disliked, yet Australia's economy grew by 1.2% in the last quarter. Clearly, as we all well know, Australia could be in a much worse predicament then it is. Tony Abbott's doom and gloom negativity has so far proven to be hot air, yet Labor straddles oblivion at 27%. Why? Is it because Australians hate being lied to? Perhaps, which is why I have settled on the fact that Labors only problem right now is Gillard. The Malaysia Solution falling to pieces was, for me at least, the straw that broke the camels back as far as Gillard is concerned. Which brings me to the chatter about Rudd. With Newspoll results higher then that of both Abbott and Gillard, I think members from both sides of politics are drastically underestimating just how much of an effect Rudds return to the top job would have. It would at the very least be a tell on the relevency of Polls when it comes to the popularity of a party as a whole, or just its leader. Again, I reiterate my belief that the only real poll that matters is the one with real electoral votes involved, and Gillard may yet pull off one of the greatest miracles in Australian Political History; However, personally, I sit in the Centre Left position of hoping that rumors of a powerbroker deadline for the end of the year for Gillard to turn things around holds true. My opinion that Rudd was not given enough of a chance has not changed; the man led us through the GFC and began a major infrastructure reform. That's enough clout for me to believe he is better then either Gillard or Abbott. As far as LongWeekends mutual opinion, If I were you, I would be careful what I wish for. You can understate Rudds potential impact all you want, but his return might herald the end of more MPs then just Gillard and Swan.

there is more than a little naivete in all ot that. Rudd WAS a opular PM but his once stratospheric popularity had already evaporated when he was knifed. Labors polls were already dropping fast and continued to do so after he was gone. Abbot already had his measure. the only thing a Rudd return will do is give a few percentage points back to labor - nothing more.

In case you havent seen or really understood the polls, Labors primary vote could improve by TEN WHOLE PERCENT and they would still be roundly defeated.

goddy - fair comments .

Quote:

......My opinion that Rudd was not given enough of a chance has not changed; the man led us through the GFC and began a major infrastructure reform. That's enough clout for me to believe he is better then either Gillard or Abbott............

my thoughts are Aussie was never going to eb affected much by the GFC.
rudd promised much in the way of reform, spent much on reviews, did essentially nothing.

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 9:58pm:

Thanks Howard and Costello Now go away labor. We dont like to be lied to. We dont like our fortunes squandered. We dont like someone telling us how our life is going to be regardless of what we have to say about it. We dont like our government screwing up almost anything it touches.

We never had a Government lie to us more than the Howard LIberals and nobody seemed to care about it as long as the economy was going ok.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 11:08pm:

goddy - fair comments . [quote] my thoughts are Aussie was never going to eb affected much by the GFC. .

So do you put the minimal impact of the GFC down to mining as opposed to retail, which has been stated in recent Treasury documents?

Australia has become America: NASTY!

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