http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/i-dont-care-if-i-drown-asylum-seeker/story-fn9hm1gu-1226130965946

ROHALLAH Gharibyar is his family's only hope of escaping perpetual menace and frequent violence in Pakistan; better, he says, to drown trying to reach Australia than go back or wait indefinitely in Indonesia.

Now that the threat of Malaysian deportation is removed, Rohallah and his Hazara friends are looking for boats. One of their bunch flew on Saturday to Makassar, Sulawesi, to join one.

"We don't have any alternative, we are forced to go, our families are in danger," he said. "They want us to go and I am willing."

It cost Rohallah's family $US8000 ($7563) to get him this far from Quetta, via Thailand and Malaysia. Half of the money was inherited on his father's death, the rest borrowed from relatives.

Aman Karimi sold his brother's car, but his family borrowed most of the $US7000 to get him to Indonesia; Zakir Hussain Faiyazi's fare came from the sale of the family home in southern Afghanistan, where he lost a brother in a rocket attack about eight years ago.

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Their families will have to raise another $3000 to $4500 to get them on to a boat to Australia and there is no question they will try.

"We have heard the Malaysian thing is no more and that's why I am looking for a boat," said Zakir, who came to Indonesia four months ago.

"My destination is Australia; I don't care about drowning."

Aman did not fear sailing to Australia, having experienced near-death on the small overloaded boat that almost sank in a storm during his transit from Malaysia to Sumatra.

"I have seen the worst thing in my life. The next boat will be bigger, so I don't care," he said.

The three young men or youths (they won't give their ages) claim they are driven to this dangerous passage by an overwhelming sense of family obligation. Life is more free of fear in Puncak, south of Jakarta, than in Pakistan or when they were passing through Malaysia, where canings and summary jailing is common.

But their families are waiting behind with only the hope that the adventurous sons and brothers will reach Christmas Island or Ashmore Reef, get an Australian visa and eventually get them out of the hellhole that is Quetta today for Hazaras.

That is why Rohallah hesitated after arriving in Puncak 10 weeks ago and learned from earlier arrivals about the Gillard government's Malaysia Solution.

His family could not afford for him to be stuck at the back of a Malaysian refugee queue for four or five years if he was deported back there and the relatives would want their loans back.

A decade ago, Quetta was a sort of haven for Farsi-speaking ethnic Hazaras, under constant attack in their Afghan homelands from Taliban militias. About 500,000 of them took refuge in the city and surrounding districts.

But these days, Shia Hazaras are preyed upon by Pakistani Sunni extremists. Eleven died in a suicide bombing of a crowded mosque last week during Eid-ul-Fitr prayers.

With the Pakistani security forces preoccupied by the spreading East Balochistan insurgency and the city now virtually sealed to outsiders, attacks on Hazaras are routine and unpunished.

"Now Quetta is worse than Afghanistan," said Rohallah, who claims he saw several friends die during a football game earlier this year when four men stepped out of a car and shot up the pitch.

"In Afghanistan, the Taliban kill everyone who disobeys their rules but in Quetta they just kill any Hazara they can find."

None of the three has the funds to get on another boat - and the smugglers are playing cagey, knowing they have a build-up of clients desperate to take advantage of the Australian government's confusion over offshore processing. It's getting so that asylum-seekers in Puncak have to pay even to get the smugglers' current mobile numbers.

When they do succeed, families back in Quetta will be asked to borrow again for the fare, depositing funds with hawala money brokers, who release them to the smugglers when Australian arrival is confirmed.

If people thought they could get Australian visas in Indonesia, said Rohallah, they would wait their turn: "We would like to go there by right. We don't want to cause trouble for the Australian government."

But the best anybody knows in Puncak is that Australia has not issued a visa through the Jakarta embassy in six months and even interviews for UN High Commissioner for Refugees registration involve a months-long wait. Lurking behind that is the fear widespread among asylum-seekers that Australia will completely close the refugee visa channel to them.

"It is a matter of time," said Aman.

They'll all be here soon macca, then what will you have to whinge about? No more 'ILLEGALS" as you say. All happily settled in Oz, taking over, taking from YOU! changing YOUR lifestyle, making YOUR life a misery just like theirs used to be. Poor macca, the hearts of all Australians bleed for you  :'(

I wonder if they'll let you continue your propaganda on this forum? They might put a stop to forums in general  :'(

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 7:11am:

They'll all be here soon macca, then what will you have to whinge about? No more 'ILLEGALS" as you say. All happily settled in Oz, taking over, taking from YOU! changing YOUR lifestyle, making YOUR life a misery just like theirs used to be. Poor macca, the hearts of all Australians bleed for you  :'( I wonder if they'll let you continue your propaganda on this forum? They might put a stop to forums in general  :'(

What propaganda are you referring to pansi?

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...  these days, Shia Hazaras are preyed upon by Pakistani Sunni extremists. Eleven died in a suicide bombing of a crowded mosque last week during Eid-ul-Fitr prayers. With the Pakistani security forces preoccupied by the spreading East Balochistan insurgency and the city now virtually sealed to outsiders, attacks on Hazaras are routine and unpunished. "Now Quetta is worse than Afghanistan," said Rohallah, who claims he saw several friends die during a football game earlier this year when four men stepped out of a car and shot up the pitch. "In Afghanistan, the Taliban kill everyone who disobeys their rules but in Quetta they just kill any Hazara they can find."

PAKISTAN: For Shia Hazaras, it’s Funeral After Funeral
31 August 2011

KARACHI, Aug 26, 2011 (IPS) - Rukhsana Ahmed finds comfort visiting her husband Ahmed Ali Najfi’s grave. "I feel at peace there," says the 60-year-old widow, mother of four and member of the Shia Hazara community.

What disturbs her moments of peace is the increasing number of fresh graves of the Hazaras in Quetta, capital of Balochistan province, where some 550,000 members of the minority community are concentrated.

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"Till a few years back, many were fleeing to Australia, via Indonesia. Of late, though, the interior ministry has directed the Indonesian embassy to stop issuing visas to Hazaras," he said.

Hussain believes that pro-Taliban lobbies (including Pakistan’s intelligence agencies that backed the Taliban initially) are penalising the Hazaras for colluding with the Northern Alliance and the U.S. army in Afghanistan.

It is also possible that members of the defeated Taliban who found refuge in Balochistan province, after fleeing Afghanistan, may be taking their revenge on the community.

The Shia and Hazara killings, and growing insecurity among Pakistan’s biggest minority sect, have failed to draw the attention of the state or media.



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http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=104900

The Murdoch press articles, Liberal Party fear mongering, racism attitudes, you know, like the lies of Alan Jones and John Howard.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 8:00am:

The Murdoch press articles, Liberal Party fear mongering, racism attitudes, you know, like the lies of Alan Jones and John Howard.

Don't forget pansi the Murdoch press don't lie, it is only the ABC, Getup and Crikey that lie.

I forgot some of the rightwingers on here lie too. I can name 2 now that lie on here and I have proved it.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 8:00am:

The Murdoch press articles, Liberal Party fear mongering, racism attitudes, you know, like the lies of Alan Jones and John Howard.

ooops you sound just like nem pansi.. I am a little surprised I must admit.. even sad by your sudden outbursts... is it fear??????.

suddenly Abbott is off the radar and its everything else we can blame for the deteriation of this appalling govt.,.what a good job you guys have GETUP AND CRIKEY and OAKES AND HOWES>>who write and get paid by Murdoch btw...

not to shy to take his money are they??.. oops and dont forget RICHO even he has a few lines...

of course it would not be a forum if we didnt include GILLARDS LIES AS WELL would it??????

we will stop the boats..

we will stop the people smugglers..


we wont have a CARBON TAX.. hummmmmhummmhuummmbrrrrrbrrrrr

cough cough..

I wouldnt live in Pakistan if you paid me..they seem to spend more time fighting each other than trying to improve their lot..
at Least India is going forward even though its very slow..

isnt it time they had a plague on hatred...how on earth do we expect people to learn to live with each other whilst this constant hatred bubbles away...the same goes for Ireland..they dont even know why they hate each other anymore..they just do.

cods wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 8:43am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 7th, 2011 at 8:00am: The Murdoch press articles, Liberal Party fear mongering, racism attitudes, you know, like the lies of Alan Jones and John Howard. ooops you sound just like nem pansi.. I am a little surprised I must admit.. even sad by your sudden outbursts... is it fear??????. suddenly Abbott is off the radar and its everything else we can blame for the deteriation of this appalling govt.,.what a good job you guys have GETUP AND CRIKEY and OAKES AND HOWES>>who write and get paid by Murdoch btw... not to shy to take his money are they??.. oops and dont forget RICHO even he has a few lines... of course it would not be a forum if we didnt include GILLARDS LIES AS WELL would it?????? we will stop the boats.. we will stop the people smugglers.. we wont have a CARBON TAX.. hummmmmhummmhuummmbrrrrrbrrrrr cough cough..

;D ;D ;D cods have you noticed its only the desperate wanker poster from the extreme left posting The other can see the tarts a lost cause

It is obscene.

Not a thing genuine about them.

FRED. wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 8:50am:

cods wrote on Sep 7th, 2011 at 8:43am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 7th, 2011 at 8:00am: The Murdoch press articles, Liberal Party fear mongering, racism attitudes, you know, like the lies of Alan Jones and John Howard. ooops you sound just like nem pansi.. I am a little surprised I must admit.. even sad by your sudden outbursts... is it fear??????. suddenly Abbott is off the radar and its everything else we can blame for the deteriation of this appalling govt.,.what a good job you guys have GETUP AND CRIKEY and OAKES AND HOWES>>who write and get paid by Murdoch btw... not to shy to take his money are they??.. oops and dont forget RICHO even he has a few lines... of course it would not be a forum if we didnt include GILLARDS LIES AS WELL would it?????? we will stop the boats.. we will stop the people smugglers.. we wont have a CARBON TAX.. hummmmmhummmhuummmbrrrrrbrrrrr cough cough.. ;D ;D ;D cods have you noticed its only the desperate wanker poster from the extreme left posting The other can see the tarts a lost cause

I can kind of smell the fear Fred... all that bile.. nothing tangible or even an idea how to make this a better place and get this dreaded asylum thing sorted... no just blame blame blame.. it never stops.

even if you didnt like what gillard was doing..  if she stopped the people smugglers you would have to give her an E for effort..

as it is it all goes belly up.. [whats new].. costs a fortune.. [whats new] and we end up with a can of worms no one seems to have the answer too...plus we have increased the people smuggling industry

good one labor..

Maqqa wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 6:44am:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/i-dont-care-if-i-drown-asylum-seeker/story-fn9hm1gu-1226130965946 ROHALLAH Gharibyar is his family's only hope of escaping perpetual menace and frequent violence in Pakistan; better, he says, to drown trying to reach Australia than go back or wait indefinitely in Indonesia. It cost Rohallah's family $US8000 ($7563) to get him this far from Quetta, via Thailand and Malaysia. Half of the money was inherited on his father's death, the rest borrowed from relatives. Aman Karimi sold his brother's car, but his family borrowed most of the $US7000 to get him to Indonesia; Their families will have to raise another $3000 to $4500 to get them on to a boat to Australia and there is no question they will try. "We have heard the Malaysian thing is no more and that's why I am looking for a boat," said Zakir, who came to Indonesia four months ago. "My destination is Australia; I don't care about drowning." The three young men or youths (they won't give their ages) claim they are driven to this dangerous passage by an overwhelming sense of family obligation. But their families are waiting behind with only the hope that the adventurous sons and brothers will reach Christmas Island or Ashmore Reef, get an Australian visa and eventually get them out of the hellhole that is Quetta today for Hazaras. A decade ago, Quetta was a sort of haven for Farsi-speaking ethnic Hazaras, under constant attack in their Afghan homelands from Taliban militias. About 500,000 of them took refuge in the city and surrounding districts. But these days, Shia Hazaras are preyed upon by Pakistani Sunni extremists. Eleven died in a suicide bombing of a crowded mosque last week during Eid-ul-Fitr prayers.

Pakistan is a muslim majority country created in a similar way to Israel on land stolen from the hindu, did the muslims ever thank the west for creating Pakistan or do they only whinge about Israel?

It would be much cheaper to fly into Australia why do these economic migrants pay 10x what it costs to fly to come in on a unseaworthy boat?

They wont give their ages what a surprise!

The family reunion program needs to be fixed why are we importing the parents of these economic migrants who will contribute nothing to Australia while claiming a pension along with department of housing homes.
We have a skills shortage the family reunion program imports pensioners to go onto welfare.

The Sunni - Shia sectarian violence in Islam dates back to the battle of the camel it cannot be resolved as the doctrinal differences are too great.

If muslims ever try and lie by saying it is forbidden for a muslim to kill another muslim ask about the sunni-shia sectarian violence that has been going on for 1400 years.

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why are we importing the parents of these economic migrants who will contribute nothing to Australia while claiming a pension along with department of housing homes.

I've been told (and, I've read in the papers) that they're not eligible for Department of Housing homes - at least not in Western Australia.

So, and I've asked the question once or twice before - and never received a satisfactory answer - where are these people living once they're released into the community? Because I've never heard of any of them living on the streets or in cars, etc. like a lot of Australians are doing these days while they wait years for public housing.

And, since 85% are still on welfare after 5 years, I don't think they've bought their own homes or are in the private rental market.

But, wherever it is they're living, its in places that should be available to homeless Australians.

wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 12:54pm:

Quote: why are we importing the parents of these economic migrants who will contribute nothing to Australia while claiming a pension along with department of housing homes. I've been told (and, I've read in the papers) that they're not eligible for Department of Housing homes - at least not in Western Australia. So, and I've asked the question once or twice before - and never received a satisfactory answer - where are these people living once they're released into the community? Because I've never heard of any of them living on the streets or in cars, etc. like a lot of Australians are doing these days while they wait years for public housing. And, since 85% are still on welfare after 5 years, I don't think they've bought their own homes or are in the private rental market. But, wherever it is they're living, its in places that should be available to homeless Australians.

I hear the govt gives them Lear jets, North Shore mansions, servants to pour their champagne and spoon feed them caviar as well as paying their fees to Shore private school and chauffer driven limos. Damn these reffos...they get everything for nothing  ;D ;D ;D

I won't be commenting on such threads anymore, only to say that you're a complete fool Maqqa.

Howard stopped the boats and at the same time increased our quota of fly in refugees..what was the net gain under Howard if all the neo cons can find to whinge about are a few thousaand boat people?

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So, and I've asked the question once or twice before - and never received a satisfactory answer - where are these people living once they're released into the community? Because I've never heard of any of them living on the streets or in cars, etc. like a lot of Australians are doing these days while they wait years for public housing.

It's up to charities to provide them with housing upon their release into the community. They are usually housed for up to three or four months before being moved into the regular rental market.

adelcrow wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 6:07pm:

Howard stopped the boats and at the same time increased our quota of fly in refugees..what was the net gain under Howard if all the neo cons can find to whinge about are a few thousaand boat people?

Could you show us these stats

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 5:57pm:

I won't be commenting on such threads anymore, only to say that you're a complete fool Maqqa.

run away little one

adelcrow wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 6:07pm:

Howard stopped the boats and at the same time increased our quota of fly in refugees..what was the net gain under Howard if all the neo cons can find to whinge about are a few thousaand boat people?

Howard stopped the people smuggling business

Labor revived the people smuggling business